Speaker Emerita Pelosi: "The President ignored the Constitution by unilaterally engaging our military without Congressional authorization. I join my colleagues in demanding answers from the Administration on this operation which endangers American lives and risks further escalation."
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1.bsky.social) June 22, 2025 at 10:25 AM
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People surprised by this forget that Nancy Pelosi voted against the Iraq War in 2002. She's a China Hawk, sure. But she also is a big believer in the House being able to rein in the Executive Branch.
— Eric Michael Garcia (@ericmgarcia.bsky.social) June 25, 2025 at 10:49 PM
Axios:
House Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday threw her weight behind a rapidly accelerating effort by Democratic lawmakers to limit Trump’s power to unilaterally strike Iran.
Why it matters: Democrats are infuriated that the Trump administration postponed briefings on the Middle East that were planned for Tuesday, and that rage is helping to fuel what was initially a fringe effort.– “Yesterday, the Administration decided to withhold intelligence … in a slap in the face to the Congress,” Pelosi said in a statement.
– “That is why I am supporting War Powers Resolutions which reassert the Article One powers of the Congress and ensure the Administration does not keep the American people and their Representatives in the dark.”
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we went through like twenty years of people not realizing that Pelosi was the progressive wing’s representative in House leadership
— post malone ergo propter malone (@proptermalone.bsky.social) June 25, 2025 at 10:55 PM
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not a member of the nancy pelosi marching and chowder society but the idea that she has been anything other than a pretty huge lib over her career is laughable
— not an art thief (@famousartthief.bsky.social) June 25, 2025 at 11:04 PM
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Not just voting against the Iraq AUMF, she broke the caucus in half as whip, whipping against it
— Reconstructionist (@unavaleable.bsky.social) June 25, 2025 at 10:51 PM
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Nancy Pelosi passed a universal public option in the House.
In related news, fuck Joe Lieberman.— Max ???? ? (@maximumeffort433.bsky.social) June 25, 2025 at 10:53 PM
She also passed the For the People Act twice in the House.
Thanks, Manchin and Sinema.— Max ???? ? (@maximumeffort433.bsky.social) June 25, 2025 at 10:54 PM
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3 years ago, Congress voted to honor the officers who defended our democracy on January 6th with a memorial plaque in the Capitol.
Yet Republicans are ignoring the law and refusing to install it.
In its absence, we are hanging replicas—because heroism deserves more than silence.— Nancy Pelosi (@pelosi.house.gov) June 23, 2025 at 5:24 PM
Trollhattan
Nancy SMASH.
From the Department of Of Course They Are.
japa21
I expect someone to come in and attack Pelosi for certain supposed actions last year, but Pelosi has been a leader like most people can only hope to be.
Was not aware of the last tweet’s subject matter. Typical GOP behavior.
mrmoshpotato
For ever and ever. Fuck ’em!
Torrey
Hey, Axios! When you report that someone “is infuriated” that X happened, you make the focus the fact of the fury and not the thing that the people are infuriated about. Good reporting requires that you focus on the important facts and not shunt them off into, oh, say, a subordinate clause somewhere.
Do better next time.
hueyplong
I’d watch a sequel to It’s a Wonderful Life in which we are shown what things would look like if Joe Lieberman had never been born.
Suzanne
Nancy Pelosi is the GOAT, man. In my lifetime, none were better at wielding power toward positive ends than she was. She should probably retire after this term, but I am and will be incredibly grateful for her service to this country.
Westyny
@Torrey: They never will . . .
Old Man Shadow
I suppose I appreciate the words. Better than what I expected from party leaders.
But I ain’t ready to hold hands and sing kumbaya around the fire with her.
Y’all have fun though.
gene108
What I respect most about Pelosi and House Dems is passing all the COVID stimulus in 2020, like the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, CARES act and a couple of other bills in March and April 2020.
Letting Trump take the heat for massive unemployment, and whole bunch of deaths is the sort of cynical action Republicans would take, if a Democrat was president.
Pelosi and the House didn’t do this. They pushed out much needed relief, without any cynical calculations about the 2020 election.
Trollhattan
@Suzanne: Home screen on my tablet is Nancy SMASH and Runner Girl. Nancy be tiny. Fierce and tiny.
Suzanne
We all have the thing we keep receipts about. For some, it was events of last year. For me, it’s this.
cmorenc
What if Trump/Miller do actually purport to have revoked Mamdani’s citizenship and have him arrested by ICE goons? True, they would have to ignore and run roughshod over the legal criteria and requisite procedure for doing so, but OTOH they are in the habit of moving fast and breaking stuff and doing what the Hell they want and daring the courts to not only catch them but actually stop them.
lowtechcyclist
@Torrey:
Axios exists to make Politico’s coverage look responsible by comparison.
Ohio Mom
Bill Moyers died. A few minutes ago, if you had asked me if he was still alive, I would have said I didn’t know. Hadn’t seen anything of him in many years. He was 91.
He was a good, smart and wise man. I hope he had an easy passing.
lowtechcyclist
@hueyplong:
I LOL’d, but I think watching such a sequel would be too painful, getting to see how things could have been and what we missed out on due to that fuckhead.
bbleh
All honor and praise to Nancy SMASH! Ain’t nobody deserves more credit for the ACA than she
And I would happily hold hands and sit around the fire and drink with her, if only to hear her dish on the Orange Guy and the rest of the Republicans (and some of the Dems too). Hell, I’d buy the wine!
lowtechcyclist
@Ohio Mom:
Seconded.
To put his timeline in perspective, he was LBJ’s press secretary.
Baud
@gene108:
People say they want good government, but they don’t acknowledge it when it happens.
lowtechcyclist
@bbleh:
Agreed. Also, she deserves more credit than anyone else for stopping GWB’s Social Security privatization initiative in its tracks.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@lowtechcyclist: Imagine going down in history as some petty douche who screwed a done deal up just to be special.
cmorenc
@hueyplong:
As huge a PITA Joe Lieberman D-Insurance Companies was, if a genie granted me a pick of someone to have retroactively un-born, I would use my pick on Donald Trump.
Baud
I really don’t want to become a poll person, but this is juicy.
mrmoshpotato
@Ohio Mom: RIP Bill.
Suzanne
@bbleh: An aspect of the ACA that many normies are not aware of is that it required dedicated lactation space (usually a room) to be provided in every workplace with 50 people or more, and that has filtered down to smaller workplaces and public amenities. It has really created a cultural change around pumping and nursing.
prostratedragon
Latest from the DBOE*:
______
*Department of Banality of Evil
Baud
@Suzanne:
They should have been called Obama’s Milking Stations
Stupid Dems.
Professor Bigfoot
Here’s the real thing for me— lots of us were mad at Nancy over pushing Joe Biden out; but Nancy SMASH has EARNED the fucking “benefit of the doubt” over decades.
This is something that Democrats have real trouble with— simple loyalty, accepting that our elected are human beings, and as such WILL disagree with us as individuals, WILL fuck up, WILL act on knowledge unavailable to us laybeings; but when they’ve spent years doing the right goddamn thing (for example, some folk whine about why wasn’t Trump impeached, and I have to remind them THEY IMPEACHED HIS ASS TWICE) I feel like we OWE some of them that “benefit of the doubt.
Ours is a fickle-ass electorate, to be sure; but just because we can’t— WON’T march in lockstep like the conservatives doesn’t mean we can’t be loyal to each other.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@prostratedragon: it’s perfect, combining grift, bigotry and vigilantism.
[ETA and it claims to use AI too! Made for this time line.]
Baud
@prostratedragon:
They’ll be spammed with photos of Melania and Elon Musk.
cmorenc
Collins and Tillis are two of our flippable seats in 26. IIRC, back in 2020, Collins overcame Sara Gibbons lead in the polls for much of the fall to end up winning 51-42%, by intimidating the Maine electorate with her very most sincere furrowed eyebrow of concern. As to the NC Senate race, the degree of difficulty wrt to Tillis is going to depend on whom the Ds run against him. Last I heard, our strongest potential challenger, ex-two-term D Governor Roy Cooper hasn’t made up his mind yet, and until he does the alternative is Wiley Nichols, a former D congressman who was gerrymandered out of his seat.
Suzanne
@Professor Bigfoot: I mostly agree. Just know that some amount of grumbling is different by many degrees from disloyalty. People of good faith can disagree and it’s okay.
mrmoshpotato
OT – 11/10 social media work by the Durham Bulls
Baud
@mrmoshpotato:
Nice.
prostratedragon
The J6 Plaque expresses its gratitude:
lowtechcyclist
@Professor Bigfoot:
Seconded!
One more thing about Pelosi last year: she had been out of party leadership for a year and a half at that point. She was acting as the representative of one Congressional district in California, not as party leader. If her intervention made more of a difference than others’, it’s only because of the respect her judgment has earned, in spades, doubled and redoubled.
Apparently Biden valued her judgment. That was his choice, right or wrong. I hold no grudges here, and I say that as someone who was behind Biden 100% until the moment he announced he was withdrawing his candidacy.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
I love Nancy Pelosi and her many wonders to perform. And as for the people who are surprised that she is a liberal, well, they aren’t paying attention. She represents the City and County of San Francisco.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@Professor Bigfoot: thirded!
Professor Bigfoot
Duplicate comment?!!
Professor Bigfoot
@Suzanne: Absolutely.
I was MAD at my girl… but I wasn’t for tossing her to the alligators. 😉
Jay
@prostratedragon:
Just another Crypto Scam targeting the MAGgots.
Scout211
In open thread news, Big Balls did not leave the federal government. Wired is reporting that he is now working at the Social Security Administration.
So “special government employee” status can be renewed repeatedly just by switching departments? Who knew.
Professor Bigfoot
I said at the time that there’s no way anybody could bully that stiff-necked bastard from Scranton and we all know it. That old man is tough as old saddle leather and a badass in his own right.
But he might be persuaded.
For good or ill, that’s the Joe Biden I treasure.
Gin & Tonic
@lowtechcyclist:
And, to the end of his life, refused to cooperate with Robert Caro on the latter’s masterful biography of LBJ.
notoriousJRT
@bbleh: right there with you.
prostratedragon
Gin & Tonic
@prostratedragon:
A Permanent Member of the UN Security Council is, daily, killing civilians in the capital of Europe’s largest country. That nothing at all is done about this, is evidence of the complete uselessness of that body.
Jay
@Scout211:
Illegal under Section 202 of the US Code, Title 18.
But we know that this Administration don’t need
no stinking badges,laws are for losers.Geminid
@cmorenc: I dunno. Republicans seem to believe that Mamdani’s run for New York mayor will benefit them politically. I think that is wishful thinking, but they may be inclined to leave him be until November at least.
WTFGhost
@Professor Bigfoot: The only people I will despise over Joe Biden are the early, fickle, assholes who immediately jumped ship.
I don’t know and don’t much care what role Pelosi played in the idiocy of 2024, so long as she didn’t bail at the early opportunity, and only made “well, what if?” plans until it was clear the battle was lost. Once the battle was lost, if she “pushed,” that was a crappy duty that she did, in fact, earn, by having the chops to be taken seriously about political realities. Sometimes, being the leader means taking the first hit, after all.
As I said back in July of 2024, every single leader who was a Democrat should have had plans for “what if Joe Biden has a stroke, or near-fatal heart attack, or is nearly assassinated?” so, that X_person or Y_person was involved doesn’t bother me, especially once it was clear the “retain” would never win over “replace.” That Pelosi was involved might mean nothing more than “let’s let a friend deliver the bad news.”
(NB: No idea if Pelosi and Biden *are* friends – but geezum, they’ve been in Congress forever, so I made a guess.)
Captain C
@Baud: I’m sure her brow is thoroughly furrowed over this.
Captain C
@prostratedragon: If I were into crypto and had no ethics I might report the names and addresses of ICE goons’ families.
Hoodie
@Professor Bigfoot: The way I think about it, the only possible problem with her pushing Joe out was waiting too long to do it. I love the guy but you can’t afford to be sentimental about pols. I understand why she thought it needed to be done. Joe did a great job in the first two years but started thinking of himself as indispensable. Pelosi understood the threat. Joe failed to really grasp the danger of Trump by doing things like appointing Merrick Garland instead of someone who might have more aggressively pursued Trump and his criminal gang or threatening to pack the court if they gave that fucker cover. Pelosi impeached that fucker twice, didn’t worry about bipartisanship and gentlemen’s norms.
Jay
@Geminid:
LMAO, they are still running Islamophobic and communist ads in the Tri-State area, and the Big Money is switching Cuomo as an “Independent” and abandoning Silwa.
The whole ReThug “machine” exists to pound lies and exaggerations into votes heads through constant repetition.
Captain C
@Scout211: Sounds like Ace Rothstein at the Tangiers before he ran afoul of Pat Webb.
prostratedragon
:
About the Iran raid lies, but generally applies.
Jay
@Captain C:
None of the Crypto Bro’s are going to touch this “meme coin” with a 20 foot pole. They know it’s a pump and dump.
That’s why it’s targeted like a heat seeking missile at the MAGgots, Nazi’s and Deplorables.
There is no comparable exploitable demographic on the Democratic side, other than “Centrist” Billionaires targeted by things like Carville’s PAC and “Think Tank”.
Anonymous At Work
There’s a reason Pelosi, and AOC, and Talib, like Hilary Clinton before them, are the “face of the lib wing” to right-wingers, and Bernie Sanders not so much. One small, measly, limp, pathetic little dangling chromosome.
Archon
@Hoodie: My Dad always used to say knowing when to exit is one of the most important life strategies, especially in regards to professional legacy. If Biden had announced he wasn’t running for reelection immediately after the 2022 midterms he would be considered one of the greatest statesmen of the 20th/21st century.
Instead he’s looking at a very mixed, ambiguous legacy and that is if historians are nice.
glory b
@Old Man Shadow: Pelosi is the most successful speaker in the history of the US
I will continue to have issues with what happened to Joe Biden, but I recognize that she is an unparalleled success at her job.
japa21
@Archon: We will have to agree to disagree on that. And I really really disagree on your last sentence.
In general, I thought the Professor’s comment was a perfect description of reality. None of us are going to agree totally with any politician. Hell, I have difficulty agreeing with myself some days.
Also, as far as I know, none of us know exactly what went down last year or what would have happened if things had been done differently.
And even if Pelosi pushed Biden offstage (which as mentioned above is near impossible) it does not in anyway change everything she did in the past decades to win my admiration.
Geminid
@Jay: I did not say Republicans are not attacking Mamdani. The commenter I responded to speculated that Republicans might arrest and deport Mamdani, and I said they might want keep him around so they can keep attacking him.
glory b
@WTFGhost: If Biden has a stroke, Kamala steps in.
She was the vice president.
I think the plan is outlined in the constitution.
I know, I know, “A half Indian half black woman?!?!?!”
“You guys were just kidding about her right?”
Jay
@Geminid:
That was not clear. Mamdani is a citizen, so trying to arrest and deport him is just MAGgot brain worms, at this point, so far.
glory b
@Gin & Tonic: I agree wholeheartedly.
Jay
@glory b:
That she’s an American Citizen and an accomplished Politician, Lawyer and AG, tells you all you need to know about “them”.
Geminid
@Jay: I think so too. It’s the other commenter that wasn’t sure.
glory b
@Jay: Remember, next up for a Supreme Court decision on its docket is birthright citizenship.
Maybe MAGA brainworms, maybe new US policy.
The Thin Black Duke
@glory b: Facts.
For me, the issue wasn’t about Biden waiting too long to step down.
The issue was Kamala Harris was an exceptional candidate and that wasn’t good enough for America.
Unless we want to be honest and say only straight white men can be President of the United States, this is a problem Americans better figure out.
glory b
@Jay: Fun fact, she also has a degree in economics.
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
@Baud: I’m not a poll person, either, but could be persuaded otherwise by a sufficiently large Czech.
Professor Bigfoot
@Archon: Not an unfair point; but he was still the only guy to beat that marigold MF; and defeating him was of paramount importance to avoid… well, all this.
bbleh
BTW re Mamdani, I just found and watched the interview with him and Lander on Colbert on Monday. Dude is impressive!
YouTube link (I hope): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClNKD_6ow-g&list=PLiZxWe0ejyv8LCz07vuvLglv8ez0HIR1-&index=5
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: The fallout from doing that would be -severe-. That’s when the actual authoritarianism arrives for -citizens-, and while sure, they can get there -eventually-, it’s a little too soon for that to pass without massive blowback.
Interesting Name Goes Here
@Archon: The historians are going to be far less kind to the general public. Biden has nothing to worry about.
Professor Bigfoot
@The Thin Black Duke: “Buh, buh, whuh about Obama?”
Conservatives have been working at every level to enact or change laws to make damn sure it never happens again, right down to SCOTUS gutting the Voting Rights Act.
Remember One Big Ass Mistake, America? Yeah, they’re doing every damn thing they can to make absolute sure no other Black person is ever elected “over” them.
WTFGhost
@Archon: Of all the people likely to hold Joe Biden entirely blameless for what happened last year, historians are going to be in the top category.
I mean, for one thing, historians would look impassively. What was THE biggest story of the 2024 election, as seen through the eyes of a 2024-journalist (i.e., not “an intelligent human being”)?
The Democrats changed candidates midstream.
So, what will be THE biggest reason historians will use to justify the loss? That the Democrats changed candidates midstream. We in the 2020s will be viewed as strange, childlike creatures who never opened their eyes to anything real, and people will be glad they’re not icky, like us. “They changed candidates because their candidate looked bad on one night?” people will ask, and historians will nod sagely, “indeed, they did.”
Historians might be wiser than I expect, and point to the SCOTUS giving Trump complete immunity for anything, or, at least anything that can be litigated by the election, and how the state of NY decided to allow a convicted felon run for President, when they had every right to take him into custody; they might point out our childish complacency was warped by early use of so-called ‘social media,’ and so forth.
Dan B
@bbleh: I agree they are impressive and Mamdani has charisma. He talked with police who said they were frustrated that they couldn’t do their job of fighting crime because they were doing social work and other tasks. He organized a Town Hall with trans people. He heard New Yorkers say they wanted affordable housing and groceries. Hence his positions.
H.E.Wolf
Some of Bill Moyers’ speeches and essays are here:
https://billmoyers.com/speeches-essays/
H.E.Wolf
Bill Moyers: eulogy for Barbara Jordan.
https://www.txbc.org/1996Journals/September%201996/Sept96EulogyForBarbara.htm
bbleh
@Jay: @Chetan Murthy: he is, however a naturalized citizen, not a citizen by birth. The MAGAts are saying the God-King should “revoke” his citizenship and then deport him. And at this point, I have no doubt the Supremes would say “sure, okay, go ahead, we’ll get to it sometime, maybe, unless we decide that once he’s gone, he’s gone.”
I’d be surprised if they went there at this point. But unfortunately I don’t think the population at large would be particularly upset. “Oh, he’s not a REAL citizen then.”
H.E.Wolf
Bill Moyers: eulogy for Lady Bird Johnson. (I learned a lot.)
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-153/issue-113/senate-section/article/S9258-2
NotMax
As it’s Open Thread –
There goes the neighborhood.
H.E.Wolf
Bill Moyers on the organization Common Cause, and its founder John Garner.
https://billmoyers.com/2010/10/06/40th-anniversary-of-common-cause-october-6-2010/
WTFGhost
@glory b: There’s nothing that says Kamala becomes the new *candidate*. Just that she replaces the President as President.
Mind you, she would have been the only viable candidate, once the primaries were over, but, people had to have a plan that said, in bold letters, “only Kamala Harris can continue to execute Joe&Kamala 2024 contracts, once the primaries are over.”
H.E.Wolf
In case you couldn’t tell, I admire Bill Moyers. :)
Chetan Murthy
@bbleh: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/naturalization-trends-united-states-2024
Stripping someone like Mamdani of his citizenship is a shot across the bow of every one of those naturalized citizens — including me (I was naturalized in 1982 at age 17).
I’m quite convinced that unless MAGA is stopped, denaturalization is coming — just that it isn’t coming quite as quickly as (in a few months).
24.5m of us. And except for the -idiots-, we’ll know that we’re in the gunsights.
TXG1112
The problem with Pelosi has never been her politics. It’s that she is ultimately a corporate Dem institutionalist that has defended the gerontocracy tooth and nail. Pushing back against Trump is quite literally the least she could do.
MrPug
I’ve lived in SF since 1995 and have voted for Pelosi in every primary and then, of course, in the general. I have the utmost respect for her, despite not agreeing with every position she’s held. With that said, I will vote against her in the 2026 primary, if she runs. I’m hoping she chooses to retire, given her age and health issues. Lord knows she’s earned it ASFAIC. But, if she does choose to run again, I will be voting against her. It’s time to move on, Nancy.
suzanne
@Chetan Murthy: At some point, maybe it will dawn on Fentanyl-Americans that foreigners are doing nothing to them and that they’re doing it to themselves. Drug supply follows American demand. Before the right wing gets too excited about denaturalization of citizens who commit crimes, they should remember a metaphor about glass houses.
bbleh
@Chetan Murthy: yeah as noted I don’t think they’ll go there yet. But nativism is their strongest overt issue (even if they’re underwater on it now too), and if they really get backed into a corner, it wouldn’t surprised me if they tried it.
And of course they wouldn’t try to deport 24 million people, but they would make a big deal out of deporting a few very high-profile ones, eg a Muslim Mayor of New York. It would be exactly the kind of YUUGE TV the Orange Guy lives for (and his cultists as well).
Personally I’ll be glad if we manage to avoid roving goon squads — official, semi-official, and totally self-appointed — running around kidnaping and even killing whomever they decide is insufficiently American or White or straight or Christianist or what-have-you, like the Nazi gangs who ran around Berlin as the Russians closed in. I don’t think it’s going to stop with Latino immigrants (and now citizens).
Gin & Tonic
@suzanne:
I’m not going to hold my breath, if that’s OK.
JWR
@Chetan Murthy:
I forget what it’s all about, but SCOTUS is apparently releasing it’s Birthright Citizenship decision tomorrow. What are the odds they go for the gusto and allow a president to strip away a naturalized person’s rights?
Jackie
BREAKING:
divF
One of the small things Nancy did as Speaker was to engineer the Womens’ Airforce Service Pilots receiving the Congressional Gold Medal in 2010. I heard this directly from Maggie Gee, an East Bay Democratic party activist and one of the WASPs, on the day she and the other surviving WASPs received their medals in DC (“Nancy was finally able to put this one over”).
Baud
@NotMax:
Bloody hell!
AxelFoley
@cmorenc:
Co-sign.
Jackie
@JWR:
Basically if you’re born in the US to a non-citizen (“illegal,”) mother, you’re no longer an automatic American citizen. There’s lots more to it, of course, but that’s the jist.
Jay
@glory b:
Mamdani is a naturalized citizen, not a birthright citizen.
If the White Supremacist Court guts the 14th, then by the end of Taco Don’s term, the only thing that will remain is the 2nd.
chemiclord
@Professor Bigfoot: The major problem I had with Pelosi’s actions in regards to the shanking of Joe Biden was the utter lack of “then what?” thinking both among herself and the coalition that did the knife work.
When she had been pressed about it, she basically shrugged and muttered something about a jungle primary, which would have been absolutely preposterous to pull off in the time frame remaining.
I did not, and still don’t, have any problem with the criticism of Joe Biden definitely looking his age in the dreaded debate and the months that followed. But considering that the end result of all that knifing was that we simply followed the same chain of succession that would have happened had he died in office… the entire debacle could only be considered a net negative. All that drama, all that fodder for the GOP, and quite literally nothing of consequence came of it.
JWR
@Jackie: Thanks. But boy, if they pull something like that, well, I just don’t know anymore. IOW, I will cry for my country. :(
Uncle Cosmo
@H.E.Wolf: John GARDNER, damn it!
Right there in the first fucking line of the text!!!
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: Right: these are two separate issues:
If they decide to undo the second for someone, that’s gonna have big repercussions. There are 24.5m of us.
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
90% of Americans have birthright citizenship.
Revoking the 14th means that even if you were born to a pair of US Citizens, you are no longer automatically granted citizenship.
Chetan Murthy
An open thread, and we’re past 100 comments, so I’ll go a little off-topic.
Does anybody here make sushi at home? I just started — used cooked tuna (Il Tonnino thai-chili-infused yellowfin), and it came out fine. But I’m wondering what other sushi it’s safe to make at home for …. -absolute beginners-. I mean, I don’t wanna run the risk of parasites or food poisoning, so …..
Anybody got any suggestions? I know that fake crabmeat comes cooked (or I -think- it does) so that seems like an OK choice. But I’m looking for other ideas ….. [it’s been …. probably a decade since I ate sushi even intermittently, so I’ve forgotten anything I ever knew about the stuff. Except that it was deeeelish]
Archon
@Interesting Name Goes Here: LOL, well put.
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: -IF- they do this, I don’t think they’ll be revoking 14A. Instead, they’ll -carefully- interpret it to exclude children of undocumented immigrants & asylum seekers, probably other poeple here on temporary visas. I don’t think they’ll go as far as revoking it for chlidren of permanent resident visa holders in the first go-around: they’ll leave that for the next slice of the salami.
NotMax
@Chetan Murthy
Canned crabmeat is already cooked, AFAIK.
Canned anchovies might be an interesting choice, unless you’re averse to anchovies, of course.
Maybe something off the wall, like shrimp (easy to cook at home) and diced avocado?
Andrya
@Jackie: @JWR: I believe SCOTUS is not releasing the final birthright citizenship decision tomorrow, just a decision about a preliminary issue- can a district appeals court judge issue a nationwide injunction? link
Archon
@Professor Bigfoot: I feel like the timeline where Trump won outright in 2020 is the better timeline.
But honestly almost any timeline is better than Trump running AND winning on a “they stole the election from me put me if you want payback” timeline. Under that premise Biden winning in 2020 was irrelevant, if not outright counterproductive.
Chetan Murthy
@NotMax:
Oh la, I have some cans of boquerones (anchovies that aren’t salted, preserved in oil.) I use ’em on caesar salad, but I bet they’d be fine in sushi. And ha! I hadn’t thought of just cooking shrimp! Yeah, that’ll work! Thank you for these suggestions!
Jay
@Chetan Murthy: In Japan, the fish is always, first frozen for 24 hours, so frozen raw fish would be fine, other than you live in the USA and the FDA has been gutted.
Timill
Anything you can do…
New Artemis SRB test piece goes bang
which it’s supposed to do, but not like that…
Chetan Murthy
@Timill: sigh. the thing we used to be known world-wide for — our technical prowess — is vanishing. sigh.
Professor Bigfoot
I really hope this is satire.
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: *grin* I get you, Jay. But I’m a very conservative person, and I wouldn’t -gamble- on always getting safe sushi-grade fish. If I’m gonna eat the raw stuff, I’m going to a sushi resto where (at least) somebody is -paid- to sort it out.
But then, I rarely go to restos anymore; hence my desire to learn how to make the stuff with cooked fish, at home.
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
We will see, DJTidiots properties host many Baby Factories, where women come from abroad for $$$$$$ so that their child has “birthright” US Citizenship. 9 floors of DJTdiot’s Miami Tower are leased for $$$$$ a month solely for that purpose.
Steve LaBonne
@Professor Bigfoot: It’s authentic frontier gibberish.
Professor Bigfoot
Yeah, Pastor Niemöller’s words apply here, too.
”Ain’t nobody free unless everybody is free.”
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: Russian birth tourism FTW.
Baud
@Chetan Murthy:
We still have our sexual prowess.
Baud
Chetan Murthy
@Baud: Wait’ll the pollution really ramps up: err’body’ll be shootin’ blanks, yo’.
Geminid
@divF: One of Senator Barry Goldwater’s later projects was a bill recognizing WASP pilots as veterans entitled to veterans benefits. The Army had classified them as civilians. Jimmy Carter signed the bill into law in 1977. Goldwater flew alongside WASP pilots during WWII, delivering aircraft from factories to airbases.
There is a WASP Museum located just outside Sweetwater, Texas at Avenger Field which was a stopover point for pilots delivering planes to the West Coast. I’ve dropped by a couple times on my way to and from New Mexico. A nice place. They publish a good calender with pictures of the pilots and their planes that can be mail ordered.
Jackie
Apparently Cuomo is planning on Mamdani getting kicked out of the country <eye roll>
Scout211
@Jackie: That means the checks have cleared.
Jackie
@Scout211: LOL Yup!
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
In Japan, there is no such thing as “sushi grade fish”. The Sushi Master goes down to the Fish Market at dawn, often with an apprentice, when the boats come in, and picks the freshest fish they can find, of the right size. Some fish, like tuna, toothfish, come in flash frozen from factory ships and are auctioned off to stall holders and distributors in the wee hours of the morning.
If you don’t live near the sea, anything in the frozen fish isle, is safe. Just remember, if individually packaged, do not thaw the fish in the bag, as it can create conditions for anaerobic bacteria to rapidly breed.
A key issue here is fresh flounder, sole and other smaller shallow water, inland, (Salish Sea) flatfish, tend to have parasites. Freezing them kills the parasite, but I prefer to just cut them out when cleaning and prepping the fish.
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
It’s not just ruZZian, it’s pretty much anybody who can afford tens of thousands of dollars, and want’s an “out” for their child if the Shit Goes Sideways in their country. Lot’s of Nigerians, Serbs, UAE, Sawdi Arabia, etc.
Steve LaBonne
@Jackie: Mamdani should really be worried about Ratface, Adams, and Does Anybody Still Remember Curtis Sliwa splitting the asshole vote 3 ways. 🙄
Dan B
@H.E.Wolf: Same here. What a genius and good man he was. Bill Moyers RIP.
Chetan Murthy
Jay, thank you for this! I bought some frozen salmon, and was planning on thawing it before using to make miso-glazed salmon. Would have thawed it in the individual pouches. I’ll cut the pouches open and thaw the fish on a small covered plate (in the fridge), needless to say).
NaijaGal
@Baud:
People say they want good government, but they don’t
acknowledgerecognize it when it happens.Alas…
Chetan Murthy
@NaijaGal: A good government is necessarily Mommy. A bad government is Bad Daddy. Too many spoiled children in our country.
CarolPW
@Chetan Murthy: You need to get The Great Sushi and Sashimi Cookbook. It tells you how to make sushi rice, which is pretty critical to good sushi, and it shows you how to do lots of different sushi types.
Chetan Murthy
@CarolPW: That’s an excellent suggestion! Thank you!
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/emptywheel.bsky.social/post/3lsj4art4f22
FTNYT NYT Criming.
Adams has Turkish bribes and CCP Senior Advisors, Cuomo has Billionaire bribes.
Steve LaBonne
@Jay: FTFNYT
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/grantstern.bsky.social/post/3lsjm6z4slk2o
catclub
@cmorenc:
so I put no credence in any predictive value of that poll showing Collins behind.
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsjo2h6hr22q
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: That. Is. Insane. Madness. Completely contrary to settled law.
ETA: He is the child of a US citizen father. That makes him a citizen by jus sanguinis, not even jus soli. WTF is this nonsense?
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/lataco.bsky.social/post/3lsicoto3hs25
They deliberately broke his leg inside the Concentration KKKamp.
Steve LaBonne
@Chetan Murthy: If you read the Bluesky thread it’s unfortunately not that simple. It appears that his father screwed up on the necessary paperwork. Of course no other administration would have been cruel and hateful enough to pull this shit.
Chetan Murthy
@Steve LaBonne: Ah, I see. I read the Austin newspaper article, and didn’t see mention of that. Ugh. Even still, he was born on an American base, and that should have been enough.
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/amandamarcotte.bsky.social/post/3lsiuwtrcpc27
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: Jay, can I just say that I really appreciate your posting these bsky (and before that, twitter) snippets here ? I don’t have a login to any of those social networks (less agita, less stress) so your posts are pretty one of the main ways I learn about these bits. Thank you!
Captain C
@Jackie: Won’t that affect some of the Russian anchor babies whose mothers went down to Mar a Lago to have their kid?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
@Chetan Murthy:
No idea if this is accurate, but from the replies in the Bsky thread:
He apparently had a removal order issued by the Obama administration, according to another comment.
Even assuming any of the above is correct, it’s incredibly fucked up for somebody to basically be rendered stateless like this. What would have happened to him if he had been deported during the Obama administration or the Biden administration? Where would he be deported to? The country where the military base he was born on is located?
RevRick
@Hoodie: As a pastor I presided over burials in cemeteries that date back to the 1700s. And they are full of people who were considered indispensable in their time. And they are now quite dead. And if I’ve learned anything from life, it’s that when you start thinking of yourself as indispensable, you lose perspective.
I’m feeling grumpy right now from post operative pain, so my ability to think straight is clouded. And what I have to say may be painful for some to hear. It’s painful for me to say.
I’m way past tired about hearing rehashing the past. I’m tired of hearing about how pissed people are about people who did. X, Y, or Z in the past.
If I could turn back the clock, I would tell President Biden to resign on January 21, 2023 and hand the keys over to VP Harris. But I can’t.
I am not pissed at any Democrat who called on Joe to step aside after his disastrous debate performance. Someone always has to go first. I’m sure that Rev. Samuel Sewell and Quaker John Woolman were cursed in their day for preaching anti slavery messages back in the 1700s. I’m glad they went first.
I think we invest far too much energy in politicians who we imagine will save us. They are fallible human beings. I can only take ownership of my own votes, my own campaign contributions, my own personal efforts to make this world a better place. I vote for candidates whom I believe can advance progress, but I am also aware that they will fail and disappoint me.
We all are caught in a world between the Garden of Eden and the New Jerusalem— visions of paradise. We live amongst human beings who range from beautifully saintly to horribly shitty. I’m a combination trying to reduce my shittiness.
But I’m so tired of hearing the endless whining about woulda, coulda, shouldas.
2liberal
@Baud: UNH poll – this kind of stuff happens after the corrupt corporate media get these vermin re-elected.
prostratedragon
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
John McCain.
Anothoer point:
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
You don’t have to log in to Blue Sky to see many of the posts, you only have to log in if you want to comment, and register and join an account if it is blocked for viewing except for members.
I haven’t joined BlueSky, and probably won’t unless they close it off to non-members.
Lyrebird
@Geminid: apparently Rep. Ogles is indeed threatening this – DKos link there – isn’t he one of the fabricators in the Republican House contingent?
I love this Krugman snippet commenter JekyllnHyde added to that story, and I hope the shamelessness of the xenophobic campaign against Mamdani does indeed help all NYC Dems rally round their candidate:
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: True, but you have to have a bsky login to have a home timeline with people’s timelines you follow merged together, right? I know I can see skeets, of course.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@prostratedragon:
Apparently, it’s because he was in jail and he already had a removal order dating back to 2013
Jackie
@Captain C:
No. Hint #1 Russian. Hint #2 Complexion color. Hint #3 FFOTUS’s Best Friend.
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
I just have tabs for some, and search for others, my laptop remembers a google search.
They Call Me Noni
@Steve LaBonne: Twenty something years ago I had issues getting my passport because of this same issue. I was born in Munich, Germany where my father was stationed. It seems my parents never registered my birth with the American Consulate. I did finally prevail but the lady in New Orleans who finally approved my application told me that never let my passport expire.
PatD
@Lyrebird: that pos Kirsten Gillibrand basically accused the Dem nominee for NYC mayor of loving Hamas. She was already on my shitlist for shilling for the crypto lobby but now I can root for her political demise. She should try running for President again.
Chetan Murthy
@PatD: as they say, she moved leftwards when she was running for president but once that vaporized she went back to the way she was before.
Jackie
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): McCain was eligible to run for president because his dad was serving in the Panama Canal, where he was born, at the time the Panama Canal was American property. Those born on American military bases in other countries are considered under law, Americans.
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3lsjyfrrs622e
Why do I have visions of piles of seized jewelry, suitcases piled high in sheds at Bergen-Belsen.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
A reply from that thread that stuck with me:
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jackie:
I used to think this was true, but apparently it’s not:
I’m also reading that his father did not have sufficient residency in the United States to qualify Thomas to be a statutory citizen born abroad to a single US parent.
Even still, no matter what he’s done, I think it’s incredibly fucked up to render him stateless, when he’s lived his entire life here in the US
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: And the “Reich Flight Tax” on emigrating Jews from Nazi Germany.
WTFGhost
Someone may have posted the equivalent, but, here’s a piece of news we can all feel good about:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/former-trump-lawyer-kenneth-chesebro-disbarred-new-york-2020-election-rcna215425
Chesebro has been disbarred, effective immediately.
prostratedragon
@WTFGhost: Well, that’s good!
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
Looked it up on Wiki
Jesus Christ, that’s exactly what it is
H.E.Wolf
Amen. May his memory be for a blessing.
prostratedragon
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Bet he doesn’t have 34 felonies. And there has to be a better solution than trafficking him.
Chetan Murthy
Jay, if you’re still around, can you comment on how easy it is for Americans to purchase and be administered vaccines when visiting Canada? I would expect we would pay out-of-pocket for the full price of the vaccine, and (of course) not get any sort of Canadian insurance subsidy or anything.
I ask b/c I learned just now that the yearly meeting to finalize details of the fall flu vaccine was …. canceled. So the odds that there won’t be a refresh available in the fall is rising. Which means I’m going to be traveling to some country where I can get the shot. And will be pushing the rest of my family to do the same.
WTFGhost
If they actually *said* that, it would have been very helpful. I assumed it was a texture or taste issue, and never would have dreamed such a low-key mention was an actual *health* warning. So I never bothered to remove vacuum packed fish from the bag, because WTF could I be at risk from?
(Yes, I know, anaerobic bacteria, but, that’s my point, they should have said “anaerobic”.)
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@prostratedragon:
Oh, I agree. I don’t think it’s right to strip someone of citizenship when they would have no where else to go, such as in a case like this. He’s effectively stateless.
I’m wondering what the Obama or Biden administrations would have done, considering the Obama admin issued the removal order in 2013, so the Obama admin intended to deport him
Lyrebird
@PatD: @Chetan Murthy: FWIW it seems from the podcast quotes here that she figures he will win, she wants to get on record saying she’s going to be in communication with him… I don’t agree with her approach, but I don’t disagree with her claim that a lotta voters don’t know the broader meaning of “Intifada” , I don’t see it as her saying he is pro violence. I sometimes need to mention in class that the term “jihad” has important meanings to ordinary people following Islam totally NOT related to terrorism.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Well, just another reason to get that passport/passport card
Fuck RFK Jr. Who the hell does he think he is to be making these BS unscientific health decisions for all of us? His father and uncle are spinning in their graves
prostratedragon
Lalo Schiffrin
Chetan Murthy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): weep https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-cancels-flu-vaccine-meeting/
Quiltingfool
@RevRick:
I’m with you, brother.
Chetan Murthy
@prostratedragon: oh wow. I knew his name (having seen it so many times on the screen) but didn’t know from where. Rest in peace, sir.
Jay
@Chetan Murthy: Other than the Covid vaccine, which is tightly controlled to residents only, all the other vaccines are over the counter. All you need to do is make an appointment, phone or online. Some vaccines will require greater lead time because they are not stored at the pharmacy and have to be ordered and delivered. If your Insurer is not accepted in Canada, you will have to pay, but it’s Canadian rates, so affordable.
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: thank you! good to know!
Jackie
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Who is Thomas? And what does he/she have to do with McCain being born in the Panama Canal area deeming him to be American born?
Captain C
@Professor Bigfoot: Or a bot.
prostratedragon
@Chetan Murthy:
Little somsthing from his score to Rollercoaster (1977). Fits this day better than his fine work for Bullitt, Mannix, Mission: Impossible, … imo; ymmv.
PatD
@Lyrebird: Yes, but that’s not how it’s being interpreted. It sounds like the last thing she’s read is that dumb Chait article. I just want these people to do better.
The whole thing reminds me of Obama being asked to denounce Rev Wright.
Jay
@Lyrebird:
https://bsky.app/profile/radosh.bsky.social/post/3lsjvj4256c2q
He did not say anything near what “they say” he did.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jackie:
Jermaine Thomas, he’s the man who was deported to Jamaica, where his father was from. It’s from the Austin Chronicle story that Jay linked above at #138.
His father was a naturalized US citizen who served in the US military. His son, Jermaine, was born on German army base. According to a SCOTUS case that he was involved in, US military bases in other countries do not count as US soil for birthright citizenship purposes.
This is from a comment under the Austin Chronicle story:
He only had permanent residency, not US citizenship. As a naturalized US citizen, his father had to meet that physical presence test to pass on US citizenship to his son.
That being said, I think it’s incredibly fucked up that this guy, who has lived in the US his entire life practically, was sent to Jamaica and has no citizenship at all, anywhere.
An example where ethics and the law don’t always mesh
NotMax
@RevRick
Yuppers to the power of infinity.
Too many suffering saddle sores from riding their hobbyhorses for too long.
TurnItOffAndOnAgain
Nevermind.
NotMax
@prostratedragon
T.H.E. Cat.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
OT: are we cool, Jay?
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Longer story, told from his side.
https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2025-06-04/texas-man-born-to-u-s-soldier-on-u-s-army-base-abroad-deported/
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Yup.
A key reason his father did not meet the residence requirements is that he was US Army, deployed overseas.
Interesting Name Goes Here
@Professor Bigfoot: At this point, I’m considering words like “gerontocracy” and “working-class” to be code for far more sinister things that they don’t want to be caught saying.
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/lauraweatherspoon.bsky.social/post/3lskozp6q6s2n
https://bsky.app/profile/digby56.bsky.social/post/3lskogb3kv423
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: my God, Iran is about to play him!
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
Probably, but I remember when the US cut a deal with the NORKs, a supply of oil and construction of a non-breeder reactor.
That went well.
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: sure, but that was Clinton, right? He was -competent-. Trump? Gonna get played. He doesn’t know how to do this sort of thing — y’know, -negotiation-. He always got screwed when he negotiated.
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/lataco.bsky.social/post/3lskpout3m22t
So it’s been confirmed, ICE is using Bounty Hunters to beef their forces.
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
Clinton made the deal, Bush broke it, for no reason at all.
So the NORK’s got nukes.
“Deals” and Treaties with the US are worth one Administration at best.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
Good to hear
It’s a real bizarre situation he was in because of circumstance. I wonder if his parents ever tried to get him naturalized?
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
His Dad started the process, but died less than a year after he moved in with his Dad. His first charge’s were BS, (trespass while babysitting his stuff on the front lawn after getting evicted, and tying up his dog).
His Public Defender said that if he contested the charges, (he couldn’t make bail), it could be 8 months in jail before he got a hearing. After 30 days in jail, he cracked and took the felony plea.
All downhill from there.
Matt McIrvin
@Steve LaBonne: If John McCain were still alive they might try to deport him.