We’re getting a combo platter of shit from the Supreme Court today on its last day of term. The challenge to preventative care provisions in Obamacare failed. The nationwide injunction against Trump’s executive order redefining birthright citizenship was struck down. Deconstruction is still in progress:
This is an assault on the Reconstruction Amendments by a Neo-Confederate Court wedded to the far-right argument that those amendments were illegitimate and destroyed the original intent of the Founders, which was to create a white man’s country
— Adam Serwer (@adamserwer.bsky.social) June 27, 2025 at 3:35 PM
SCOTUSBlog has a live thread here. There’s a Bluesky thread by lawyer Matt Cameron which has some informed hot-takery on where this leaves us, but it is only viewable to those who have a BSky account. If you have one, click here to read. If not, this is the meat of the thread, for me:
Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton, which challenged Texas’s Internet age-verification law, is also out (FSC lost), and if you want to read Clarence Thomas’s decision, it is here. This case has been assumed to mainly impact porn sites, but as this January 2025 article at The Verge notes, (archive.is link here if you hit the paywall) it also has grim implications for an awful lot of internet content:
Numerous states have passed age verification rules for online porn, and FSC v. Paxton could directly impact whether they stand up to legal challenges. But its impact could go beyond porn. Both TikTok v. Garland and this case deal with whether the government’s interests — national security for TikTok, protecting kids in FSC — should override free speech concerns. “We’ve got two major cases in five days dealing with whether or not traditional First Amendment law still applies to internet content in the same way,” Terry says.
And several state and federal lawmakers have demanded stronger age verification for social media, sometimes alongside a proposed ban on minors using it. Opening the door to porn verification wouldn’t guarantee those efforts would succeed, but Hans says it could make legislators far more likely to try. “I think that if the Supreme Court said that some form of age verification could be constitutional, that if you’re the state in other situations, they’re going to say, well, extend that reasoning to other substantive areas of internet regulation,” he says.
Old Man Shadow
Well, as I understand it and I am not a lawyer, but it sure as fuck sounds like the Judiciary branch of government just became vestigial to our nation like an appendix.
Still there, but it doesn’t do anything really and no one will practically miss it if it gets removed.
lowtechcyclist
@Old Man Shadow:
As long as Republicans control the government.
I’m sure they’ll be back in business if the GOP isn’t able to rig things to stay in power indefinitely.
ETA: Trying to come up with a reason to argue that Adam Serwer is overstating things. Coming up empty.
Steve LaBonne
@lowtechcyclist: Yeah, anybody who thinks some wingnut Texas judge won’t be allowed to issue nationwide injunctions against a future Democratic administration (if there is one) is pretty naive. If the Democrats ever have the chance to expand the SC and fail to do it, the party might as well disband.
Steve LaBonne
“My desire to be well informed is currently at odds with my desire to stay sane.”
YY_Sima Qian
Taken to the logical end on a multitude of policies, SCOTUS’ ruling on voiding nationwide injunctions will drive the US to hot civil war. It certainly is another escalation in the “cold” civil war.
MazeDancer
Find myself humming “The Day the Music Died” with “the Nation” substituted.
Which come first Civil War or Trump being 86’d?
Trump wants Civil War, but do not see how we can live in a Nation with a king and no way to stop him.
Glad I live in NY. Heart breaking for lots of things today, but those of you in red states among them.
oldgold
There is less here than the headlines suggest.
This ruling leaves the injunction in place as to the actual plaintiffs. While limiting the injunctions universal application.
Going forward, to have a federal district court injunction have universal application is going to require qualifying your case as a class action.
Generally, I agree with this.
That expressed, I continue to believe that for the past quarter century there has been no such thing as “constitutional law.”
What we have are decisions rendered on a case by case basis rooted in partisan politics and/or corruption.
Steve in the ATL
@Old Man Shadow:
Today, I wish I weren’t!
Chief Oshkosh
TPM (Josh Marshall’s site) reports that part of the BBbill includes a massive increase in fed worker mandatory payment into the pension system, with the twist that…wait for it…Congresscritters and their staff are exempt.
The increase is from about 9% to about 15%. That is a huge increase – 67% of current. The carve-out is just the spitball cherry on top, I guess, to remind federal workers of their station in life — serfs.
BC in Illinois
The Supreme Courtiers
hells littlest angel
An outcome I would not strongly object to.
hells littlest angel
@BC in Illinois: Would also accept “Courtesans.”
laura
Adam Serwer, Jamelle Bouie and ABL all have really good quick takes. I’d recommend that people read Sotomayor and KBJ’s dissents for a very clear, easy to understand ‘splainer. Probably Liz Dye too.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a884_8n59.pdf
Sotomayor dissent is at pg 54 and KJB at pg 98.
lowtechcyclist
@BC in Illinois:
Even that’s too nice. This is a coup, and they are enabling it. Traitors is what they are.
RaflW
All these years of saying “Bring on the meteor” but apparently it’s not a celestial body that is wrecking us. Just six fascists in robes.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
About seven or ten years back, I put up on then-Twitter my opinion that within twenty years, either the Republican Party or the United States of America would be dead. That I didn’t see a future in which both survived.
Well, I may have been right. And the United States of America I was taught to believe in as a child is not the one that survived.
Anything more I have to say on the topic would probably give the fascists cause to reserve a place for me in one of their gulags.
rikyrah
@Chief Oshkosh:
Saw that . Absolutely ridiculous
laura
How to lurk on bluesky:
https://bsky.app/search
Sister Golden Bear
A reminder that Project 2025 wants to declare anything having to do with LGBTQ+ people—including our very existence—as inherently pornographic, and make it illegal. You see where that leads…
Spanky
@Steve in the ATL:
Be glad you’re not a law school professor, and have to face a bunch of students and explain what the hell is going on.
Captain C
@Spanky: “Today’s class will be on the Roberts Supreme Court. You will notice each of you has a pill on your desk. This is a strong dose of LSD. You will need it to make even minimal sense of today’s lesson.”
Soprano2
@Chief Oshkosh: I’m sure there is no pay raise to offset this increase, either. When our city did that they gave us a pay raise to offset the effects, and there were still some people whose take home pay went down.
Lobo
@Spanky: Easy. What’s a strike or a ball? Whatever the umpire says it is. The marginalized have understood that, like forever.
Moondoggus
LGTBQ is all over the place on Fox. They should definitely have age verification in place, no more free streaming or broadcast of any Fox News show.
same for Sharia Law, pornographic descriptions or depictions of crime including vigilantism, discussion of antisemitism or other religious discrimination, etc.
Steve LaBonne
@Sister Golden Bear: Don’t worry, Matt Yglesias will shed a very, very tiny tear for you.
Elizabelle
This seems like a good day to stay off the internet.
Captain C
@Lobo: “Here’s your new law professor, Mr. Angel Hernandez…”
Omnes Omnibus
I am staying away from any hot takes about any individual decisions. I do have one about the Court in general though.
Old Man Shadow
@hells littlest angel: It would end in a nuclear war.
rikyrah
@Sister Golden Bear:
yes, it’s been obvious. been obvious.
Anti-Trans was only the cover.
Steve LaBonne
Picture a person born on our soil who is abducted by ICE on the grounds that they aren’t a citizen. They protest that their mother was a legal permanent resident when they were born. But how do they prove that when they’re rotting in a Salvadoran prison? That’s where we’re going.
Hoodie
Only briefly scanned, but seems like typical hair splitting based on a distinction without a difference, conveniently overlooking that the Trump admin is clearly trying to use a procedural ruse to avoid dealing with their clearly stated intent to ignore (or at least radically reinterpret) the 14th Amendment. This is a lousy case to decide the issue of universal injunctions for that very reason, that would have been better done in one of those turds handed down by a joker like Kasmaryck. Hard to see this argument about irreparable harm to the Government if the preliminary injunction is upheld. Seems like she’s saying maybe you could do this as a class action (I wouldn’t read too much into Alito’s stupid concurrence) and you’d think this should be a relatively easy class to define, but who the fuck knows with these disingenuous assholes.
rikyrah
Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) posted at 9:44 AM on Fri, Jun 27, 2025:
“The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law.”
She’s sounding the alarm, loud and clear.
If a president can trample the Constitution until someone sues and wins, then justice becomes a waiting game and power becomes unchecked.
“If this country is going to persist as a Nation of laws and not men, the Judiciary has no choice but to deny it.”
That’s not just a dissent.
It’s a warning. And we’d be fools not to listen.
(https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1938609397594198076?t=gr6O2ln36-ypOyBg6N2QlQ&s=03)
Matt McIrvin
@hells littlest angel: Breakup of the US would be a humanitarian disaster involving mass death, and a refugee crisis in which I am not at all confident that Blue America would welcome those fleeing from Red America with open arms.
p.a.
A different tactic from when Rethugs buried the USPS in debt by mandating pensions funded out 75 years IIRC, but still, just another attack on gvt workers.
trollhattan
Sigh. It continues.
rikyrah
Joe Vogel (@JoeVogel_) posted at 10:54 AM on Fri, Jun 27, 2025:
Today’s Supreme Court decision is not just about books or parental opt-outs — it’s part of a broader trend by executive, legislative, and judicial forces working to strip LGBTQ+ Americans of their dignity, their rights — and to attempt to erase their very existence.
Across the country, state legislatures have passed laws to censor any mention of LGBTQ+ people. Members of Congress have used hateful rhetoric to score political points at the expense of LGBTQ+ lives. And just last week, the federal government shut down a vital mental health and crisis support line for LGBTQ+ youth — a chilling act of indifference to the lives of children at risk of suicide.
In Montgomery County, and across the country, LGBTQ+ people will continue to excel in our schools as educators, students, and their families. Their existence is undeniable, and their rights and dignity will be defended. You may opt-out of reading books. But you can’t opt out of this essential truth: LGBTQ+ people will continue to exist in our community with pride, resilience, love, and joy.
(https://x.com/JoeVogel_/status/1938626892569125298?t=XVaMJsnVIf878RfzIY0ptA&s=03)
Captain C
@rikyrah: How long until Alito demands that Jackson be removed from the court on the grounds that Medieval English courts did not have black women as judges?
artem1s
two states, two constitutions. There goes Obergefell.
Matt McIrvin
@Steve LaBonne: That’s not all: if the situation persists, future generations are going to have to prove that their grandparents were legit, then their great-grandparents. The chain breaks somewhere centuries in the past and it turns out that your ancestors going back multiple generations were “illegals” rather than US citizens, so you are too.
Captain C
@Matt McIrvin: “Can you prove you were a registered Democrat? No? Sorry, get the fuck outta here!”
rikyrah
Rita Powell (@Rizabellepow) posted at 10:32 AM on Fri, Jun 27, 2025:
If you supported uncommitted, you just made thousand or millions of people possibly lose their citizenship.
I’ll take apologies in the replies.
(https://x.com/Rizabellepow/status/1938621424853213347?t=FUzZvTJ4rd5wapPJoWvldg&s=03)
trollhattan
@p.a.:
IMHO it’s a twofer: attack federal employees while weakening the service; fattening up the pension fund reserve for an eventual privatization, at which point the very large pension fund disappears into various bank accounts.
Matt McIrvin
@Captain C: I was thinking more sinister than that. The city of Boston may have elected a great mayor this time around but it’s never been what you’d call a post-racial paradise.
Steve LaBonne
@Matt McIrvin: Can I prove that my Irish maternal grandparents were in legal status (a thing that barely even existed back then) when my mother was born? Almost certainly not. And if my mother wasn’t a citizen when I was born, am I? Few of us would be safe.
p.a.
My maternal grandparents (maternal line is the one that matters) were not US citizens: illiterate Italian peasants. Have some resident alien forms signed with X, & my mother as witness.
Baud
Matt McIrvin
@Steve LaBonne: I’ve heard a lot of arguments that we need a more “rational” immigration policy like they have in most Western European countries. These places have multi-generational populations of native-born non-citizens, who work in the economy, pay taxes, but don’t get the benefits of the generous welfare state. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Yeah, it’s just what we do with undocumented immigrants… only these people were born there. It’s not an aspect of European social democracy I want to import.
rikyrah
Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) posted at 10:20 PM on Thu, Jun 26, 2025:
Reposting this important story:
Almost half of the people currently in ICE custody have neither been convicted of nor charged with any crime.
ICE has arrested only 6% of known immigrant murderers.
Striking report by @JuliaEAinsley and @strickdc
https://t.co/gkcR2Vb7k2
(https://x.com/Yamiche/status/1938437192344375589?t=81iR6D4LaeIpXQv740W4Rg&s=03)
rikyrah
YOU HELPED CAUSE THIS, MUTHAPHUCKA
POLITICO (@politico) posted at 1:20 PM on Thu, Jun 26, 2025:
Former Supreme Court Justice Kennedy says ‘democracy is at risk’ https://t.co/5N731U5d2u
(https://x.com/politico/status/1938301252216955023?t=EIf8DCSYycVSzPRD9SGOjQ&s=03)
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Matt McIrvin:
I wonder how long other countries will try to continue to maintain that the US is a safe, democratic country “by global standards” so they can continue to deny asylum claims from Americans
Being in a blue state hasn’t stopped ICE from assaulting and rounding up actual US citizens, for example
ETA: LGBTQ+ Americans’ rights and very existence are at risk right now
rikyrah
The United States versus Elon R. Musk (@Needle_of_Arya) posted at 6:42 AM on Fri, Jun 27, 2025:
the reason why so many of us can’t see a viable Vance 2028 campaign is because we’re blinded by having pre-2016 value systems
this is a new world in which hacky anti-trans ads in Pennsylvania & viral TT videos have helped swing elections
dont fail to imagine illogic & insanity
(https://x.com/Needle_of_Arya/status/1938563620922630318?t=hmFPR6xJ8A7eZb0Y541bmw&s=03)
Hoodie
@Steve LaBonne: I think the point is free rein for a GOP executive to do whatever the fuck it feels like doing, Wilhoit’s law codified. It’s judicial cowardice dressed up as judicial restraint.
rikyrah
Fox News (@FoxNews) posted at 6:43 AM on Fri, Jun 27, 2025:
Former three-term New York Governor @AndrewCuomo is running for NYC mayor as an independent candidate, according to FOX sources, despite a shocking primary loss to 33-year-old democratic socialist @ZohranKMamdani. https://t.co/VeUo8hZZA9
(https://x.com/FoxNews/status/1938563818147213556?t=PAkho5_gMFYxsMetLI2oQA&s=03)
Steve LaBonne
@Matt McIrvin: Absolutely a feature for these mofos. European countries also maintain genealogical records of people who have the right “blood”. We will have “whatever ICE says you are”.
artem1s
@Matt McIrvin:
Wannsee Conference Racial Chart
evodevo
@Chief Oshkosh: The Rethugs did this to the Post Office in 2006 – saddling it with massive payments into its health system for the foreseeable future, impacting its revenue stream and pension liability for the worse. This pre-funding requirement has been a major contributor to the USPS’s financial losses, with the Postal Service defaulting on its prefunding payments since 2012, hence all the KKKonservatives calling for privatization… One of the principal reasons they did this was that all those excess payments went into the general fund, to offset W’s unbudgeted war expenses…
Matt McIrvin
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I expect them to take more of a Trumpian approach: “we don’t want any part of your contagion here, go away and die”.
Steve LaBonne
@rikyrah: Anyone who thought before the election that they were telling the truth about only going after criminals is a moron. Unfortunately we have a hell of a lot of morons in this country.
Aris Merquoni
I want to add Chris Geidner at Law Dork as another court watcher, his analysis has been thorough and timely
Steve LaBonne
@artem1s: We have the paper bag test for that purpose.
Rose Judson
@p.a.: I’m operating on the assumption that birthright citizenship will have so many holes chewed in it in the next few years that my daughter’s U.S. citizenship will be made null and void at some point, given that she was born abroad. The alarming case of this man, born on a U.S. military base in Germany but now stateless and deported to Jamaica, is on my mind.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Matt McIrvin:
Which is hilarious because their democracies and societies aren’t in great shape either, frankly. Many of the same problems that plague us also plague them, to lesser degrees. Several EU nations have elected far-right parties recently. The trend has only seemed to be halted because Trump is such an asshole.
That kind of thinking is wishful because it ignores the very real problems at home they face
Jay
@Matt McIrvin:
Sadly, that’s just ‘Mercans showing off their ignorant asses again.
In almost all EU countries and the Nordic States there are paths to citizenship, (mostly through marriage) for some. For other’s they will never be citizens per se, but they will have all the rights as a citizen once they have permanent Resident Status.
If they have worked there and resided long enough, they and their children have access to the same benefits as Citizens.
Like Social Security, you have to pay into the system to later get the earned benefit.
prostratedragon
White boots prophecy fulfilled:
Never seen him look so excited.
Balconesfault
What I think is a legitimate question now:
Is it currently safe to live in Texas, in Florida, in Iowa, or in any number of Red States where the State Attorney General would be unlikely to enter into a suit opposing a Department of Justice action based on constitutional grounds?
Because if I’m reading the majority opinion here, it’s saying that even if a Federal Judge finds an action taken against you to be unconstitutional, unless your state is willing to defend your rights you won’t have any.
Steve LaBonne
@Rose Judson: The problem for that guy is that he was never actually a citizen, because his father didn’t qualify at his birth for him to automatically be a citizen and then failed to follow through on the paperwork required for him to become one. Your daughter will be well down the list.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
What if you don’t have the “right” skills they want/need, but are still willing to work and be a productive law-abiding citizen? Or are poor, disabled, and/or old?
Steve LaBonne
@prostratedragon: What exactly is going to come out of those showers?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Steve LaBonne:
I’d be curious to know if either he or his parents every tried to get him naturalized citizenship
Baud
NaijaGal
Is the conservative plan for the US an endless cycle of reconstruction-era style rights losses followed by civil rights movements followed by the stripping away of civil rights gains by ignorant voters manipulated to hate until the US is the laughing stock of a world that’s moved on (or worse, simply irrelevant and not even worth laughing at)?
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: This is very bad. If universities don’t stand together they will be picked off one by one.
Steve LaBonne
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It was hard to tell from the news stories whether they blew it off completely or tried and screwed up somehow.
Steve LaBonne
@NaijaGal: I think the conservative plan is a boot stamping on a human face, forever.
Hoodie
@Steve LaBonne: The problem is the list can be whatever the hell they want it to be. You cause a problem, you might move up the list. It’s all about intimidation and enforcing whatever the hierarchy is at the given moment.
lowtechcyclist
@Baud:
I don’t know if it counts as near the top, but it certainly is the shit cherry on top of the shit sundae.
Baud
Steve LaBonne
@Hoodie: I certainly didn’t mean to imply that there is no reason to worry.
brantl
@Steve in the ATL: wasn’t
RaflW
I’m going to put on khakis and a nice shirt and drive over to St. Paul. Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, her husband, and their loyal doggo Gilbert are lying is state there.
Feels like it symbolizes so much more loss that is ongoing.
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
In Germany young male voters voted median center left 15% than the average voter, even in what used to be Ost Germany. Young female voters voted center left 35% more than the median voter.
The AfD peaked in Germany in 2022, losing 5% of their vote share in 2025, and a funny thing is, the core of the AfD are the children of the East German Stazi and the ruZZian ethnics*.
*Poland, and all the Baltics have the same issue. During the Cold War they were a much nicer place to live and settle, and got preferential treatment, than life in the Soviet Union. So they have large ruZZian ethnic populations that swim in ruZZian propaganda all day. Many have even refused to learn the language of their current nation.
Italy, meh, one of the staunchest supporters of Ukraine. Poland, it’s complicated. France, we will see how it goes, Macron could have curb stomped them but he didn’t want to share any power.
Slovakia, the Government does not reflect the people.
Hungary, Orban is not far right, he’s an Autocrat.
Britain, we will see.
JWR
@Baud:
Oh my! How could anyone say such things about Our Favorite President?! (Where’s mah smellin salts?
ETA, here’s another interesting bit from the story:
rikyrah
@Baud:
RIDICULOUS
prostratedragon
@Baud: Very bad news. I gather that the trustees recruited 🤡 to put the pressure on in the first place, so it must have appeared to Ryan that he had no support.
Baud
@JWR:
Looking forward to discovery.
Steve LaBonne
Along with universities, they’re predictably trying to go after progressive churches.
RaflW
@Steve LaBonne: Yup. The Unitarian Universalist Service Committee has been harassed by a Congressional inquiry, along with about 225 other NGOs, too. How dare anyone provide grants to or advocacy for people whose rights and freedoms are at stake!
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Some countries will take you if you can prove that you had a parental link going back 7 generations. Some countries have a skills shortage, that takes priority. Some countries have a labour shortage.
Each country has different requirements for immigration, residency, permanent residency.
In Italy, if you buy an abandoned home in certain mountain villages, restore it and reside there a certain amount of each year, pay your taxes, after 5 years you get permanent residency.
Portugal has similar arrangements.
p.a
Sandra Day O’Connor shed crockodile tears too, after the fact. Fother Muckers both.
Ohio Mom
@Omnes Omnibus: I know we are in trouble when you don’t urge cautious optimism.
(That’s my personal barometer, if Omnes says we should hang loose, I hang loose. But there is no hint of that in this tweet/skeet, whatever it’s called.)
Jeffro
@prostratedragon: he still should have made them fire him. Period.
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
His Father did not qualify to have him “naturalized” when they were in Germany, because he had been posted to Germany by the US Army for too long a period.
His parents got divorced in Germany, his mother remarried another US Army member, they had their own children and he became a 4th wheel.
When his Father returned Stateside, he arranged to live with his Father, and was estranged from his Mother and her Family. His Father started the paperwork but died a year after he arrived in the US.
Hoodie
@Steve LaBonne: The 800-pound gorilla here is the Catholic Church. I have lawyer friend does pro bono immigration work for them, so they do have skin in this game. Seems like Leo has at least suggested where he stands.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ohio Mom: These are bad decisions. It’s a shitty Court. Trump is who we always said he was. The people who work for him are fascists. Nothing really changed today. We still need to fight. We still need to say no. We still need to refuse despair. Fuck ‘em.
tobie
@Jay: There were two elections in Germany in 2025: one for the European Parliament, one for the German Federal govt/ parliament. In the first young voters in general and male young voters in particular swung hard right. In the second, I’d need to see percentages for the CDU/CSU. The left party Die Linke had a last minute surge among younger voters b/c of an inspiring floor speech from one member castigating Merz for a foul position on immigration. Lots of local factors played a role in the election. I’m not convinced an ideological reading explains the results. The Greens collapsed, for instance.
lowtechcyclist
@Jeffro:
Agreed.
I’ve got “What Would Thomas Jefferson Do?” going through my head to the tune of “What Would Brian Boitano Do?”
What would Thomas Jefferson do, if he were here right now? I’m sure he’d knuckle under too, that’s what Thomas Jefferson’d do.
rikyrah
@Hoodie:
IF they do the right thing, I will be pleasantly surprised
and grinning, watching the right-wing US Bishops choke on it
lowtechcyclist
@Omnes Omnibus:
I don’t do despair, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit depressed today. Fucking Humpty Dumpties on the Supreme Court, deciding that the words of the Constitution mean whatever they want the words to mean.
Hoodie
@Omnes Omnibus: I’d say that take is accurate. Barrett’s opinion reeks of servitude. A recurring theme of this Court is an inordinate level of concern for the prerogatives of the Executive Branch.
Chetan Murthy
is that still the case? I remember it was in Germany, but they passed a jus soli law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law
I remember when this was a big ruckus in Germany, and then they fixed it. Are there other Western European countries that don’t have jus soli
ETA: I should amend that: Germany’s law has significant restrictions — more than US law used to (haha, lolsob).
Jeffro
@Omnes Omnibus:
@lowtechcyclist:
you are both right
we need to fight, and yet, today is reallllly depressing
I see Betty has started a new thread, and with flamingoes to boot – good deal.
Hoodie
@rikyrah: Makes you think Francis pushing an American as his successor was not a coincidence.
Captain C
@Steve LaBonne:
Nominated.
Captain C
@Jay:
This is extremely unsurprising.
Steve LaBonne
@Hoodie: But only when the chief executive is a Republican.
Citizen Alan
@Spanky: I am honestly glad that my Con Law professor didn’t live to see Trump become President and install a bunch of god-damned Klansmen (and 1 Klans-woman) to the Supreme Court.
Sure Lurkalot
No Country for
OldAnyone But Wealthy White Men.Omnes Omnibus
@Citizen Alan: Not Klan folk. Too Catholic.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
“Papists Not Welcome” a popular klan doormat.
Jay
@tobie:
Here, in the last election, the NDP collapsed, the Bloc were cut down and the Greens held on to their one seat, barely. Funny what happens when the choice is between The Economist and Diet Taco Don.
All of a sudden, nice things like saving the planet, (Greens) or workers rights and welfare, (NDP), didn’t matter as much as keeping Diet Taco Don out of office. The voters of his Ottawa Riding, the people who knew him best and had re-elected Diet Taco Don for 21 years, curb stomped him.
Citizen Alan
@rikyrah: The fucking balls on that son of a bitch!
Citizen Alan
@rikyrah: Jesus, NYC is going to end up with Curtis fucking Sliwa as the mayor.
Edited: Anyone know if there’s Rank Choice Voting in the general election or just the primary? With four candidates (so far), somebody could win the race with 26% of the vote.
Omnes Omnibus
@Citizen Alan: I think some people may want to touch grass.
Chetan Murthy
@Citizen Alan: Just curious: who’s the fourth? Mamdani/Rat Faced Andy/Sliwa/and …. ?
Steve LaBonne
@Citizen Alan: No, straight up plurality, and Mamdani should win handily with three assholes splitting the asshole vote.
Steve LaBonne
@Chetan Murthy: Adams is also running as an independent.
Citizen Alan
@Omnes Omnibus: I certainly think Sliwa winning is a possibility. We are in the worst possible timeline, after all.
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus: What you said.
Today may have opened a few more voters’ eyes.
Chetan Murthy
@Steve LaBonne: Shit, I should have remembered that. Thank you!
Elizabelle
@Rose Judson: Then Ted Cruz will also not be American, right?
JWR
I can’t find any video yet, but on the 11 AM news, they showed ICE dressed up like they’re going after El Chapo, pouring out of a Bearcat, rushing up to a house, and after busting out a bedroom window and sending in a fucking drone, without so much as a knock, they use some sort of explosive device to bust out / destroy the front door and storm in.
The young woman and her two young daughters are all U.S. citizens, but the goons were looking for her boyfriend who had the misfortune of being backed into by one of the goons cars, which as we all know, makes him guilty of assaulting the storm troopers. Maybe I’ll find the video soon. But damn, this shit has gotta stop!
lowtechcyclist
@Omnes Omnibus:
I would, but the grass is really wet today here in southern MD.
Steve LaBonne
@JWR: Who is going to stop it? Certainly not local MAGAfied law enforcement.
Chetan Murthy
@JWR: It won’t stop, and don’t kid yourself that it will. “Government is how we solve problems bigger than any one of is”. When government is the problem, you’re screwed.
p.a.
The economy needs to tank or be tanked; it’s the only thing that gets our fascist salt-of-the-earthers to actually vote their (and for the most part Murca’s) interests.
Outside of JFK/LBJ and Clinton 2 Obama 2, for 100 years it’s been “Help me Demo-Crat-Benobi, you’re the economy’s only hope!”🙄 (Truman was a continuation of just the *good* insanity of the FDR/Great Depression/WW2 era when voters apparently had more memory and more sense than current voter fruitfly-itis, even JFK was a reaction to economic doldrums if not real downturns. C2 O2 a combination of the power of incumbency and their opponents I think.)
Geminid
@Steve LaBonne: There is also someone named Jim(?) Walden running as an Independent. I don’t know much about him except that he’s been polling in the 5 to 6% range.
Soprano2
@Steve LaBonne: The thing is, they see anyone who’s here undocumented as a criminal. So in their minds they’re doing what they said they would do.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
And what if none of those are options for the people at most risk, such as the poor, the disabled, etc? There’s lots of poor, disable trans people, for example.
I think a lot of nations are all the same, that they don’t want people like that because they’re seen as “burdens”. Gotta put up walls and keep the “riff-raff” out, after all.
I think even if and when there’s a literal fascist dictatorship rounding people up to put in camps in the US, that foreign nations will look the other way.
Hell, we’re already seeing it, and nobody’s stepping up to the plate that I can see
chemiclord
@Matt McIrvin: When I say the USA has one of the most liberal immigration policies in the developed world… I don’t mean that as compliments to the USA, but as condemnation of how absolutely atrocious the world as a rule is towards immigration.
Jay
@Citizen Alan:
The big money went from Cuomo to Adams.
The big money did not help Cuomo at all
And of course, Cuomo and Adams both got curb stomped in the Primary.
Jay
@Elizabelle:
We aren’t taking him back. He can be stateless or go to Cuba.
Omnes Omnibus
This is an important take.
Steve in the ATL
@brantl: weren’t. Statement contrary to fact, ergo the subjunctive case.
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
In Canada, there is an NGO called the Rainbow Railroad. They have annual funding and clearance to exfiltrate 310 LBGTQ2+ from around the world to touch base in Canada, with prior to Taco Don, an agreement that 270 would go to the US. Exfiltration is expensive, dangerous, often requiring fake documents, smugglers, burner phones, safe houses, food and shelter, multiple border crossings, and then, when they get here, there is food, shelter, proper documents, acclimatization, trauma services.
They get 22,700 applications a year and have a waiting list of 2.6 million. These are people who’s own families, let alone the community or the State will happily murder them with no consequences.
Since Jan 6, 2025, they have received 2200 applications from the US. They go to the bottom of the ever growing list. Next year they won’t be at the bottom, they will be about 1/10th of the way up the list.
There are 167.2 million refugees already out there in the world.
Wait in line or start a GoFundMe to relocate to a Blue State willing to fight.
PatD
@Citizen Alan: He’ll be lucky to get 10-15% of the vote and that won’t be enough.
Ohio Mom
@Steve LaBonne: The far right has been going after liberal mainstream churches for a while now, they are behind some of the big splits (e.g., the Presbyterian church in the 1980s). Not surprised to hear the effort is ramping up, the winds are at their sails right now.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s a complicated thing, isn’t it? I read this ( https://bsky.app/profile/wendyweiser.bsky.social/post/3lslyg62hu22d )
and wondered: suppose a child of immigrants in the US on a student visa were scooped-up by ICE -today-. Would their possession of a US passport even be enough to keep them in the US? How would a visibly foreign-looking American -prove- that their parents were here on a green card, and not a student visa, 47 years after birth?
B/c sure, “The constitution makes clear that babies born in the U.S. are American citizens. Period.” But as the old joke goes:
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Woohoo! Grammar fight!
Ohio Mom
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): No country wants disabled people. I’ve had this discussion with two friends. One is convinced her family can join her cousin in Australia, yeah, if they want to leave their autistic son behind, the other has a physician husband contemplating moving to New Zealand, again yeah, if they want to leave their autistic son behind.
But this tracks with both of their’s ongoing semi-denial on just how autistic their kids are.
Ohio Mom
@Omnes Omnibus: That’s the Omnes I know!
Ruckus
@Bruce K in ATH-GR:
I served in the US military over half a century ago, during a war, that we never should have been in, so I’ve received a check from the US government as an employee. One of the things I learned is that as much as this is a democracy there are/can be some pretty strict guidelines about observing it as one. And not everyone seems to believe in an actual democracy if it gets in their way in any way, no matter how small or stupid their being against it is or what it is stopping them from doing. It’s humans, we come in a lot of sizes, shapes and degrees of pompous arrogance.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
B I N G O!
Hit the nail square on the head.
Captain C
@Jay:
Technically, Adams didn’t run in the primary because he knew he would get curb stomped, but basically the same thing.
(Adrienne Adams, the City Council President, did run and finished, IIRC, 4th among 1st place votes after Mamdani, Cuomo, and Lander.)
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Goku, Jay has a point there. The logic of our situation is heartless, but it is also implacable. Bit-by-bit, there is less and less that us Blue-Staters can do about the rights of decent folks in the Red states. Instead, your rights are in your own hands (and -only- your own hands): you can -move- to a safe jurisdiction.[1] Yes, that can and will involve impoverishment, but then, immigrants the world-over have done that for centuries. Not all immigrants had better lives in their destination countries than in the origin countries. There are many stories of engineers, lawyers, professors, even doctors, who came to the US and worked as janitors, grocery store clerks, and on and on, so that their eventual American-born children could have better lives.
Until state&local governments start openly defying Trump (which would be “illegal”, but so the fuck what), there’s nothing we individuals can do about any of this. Except vote with our feet.
[1] Or you can stay in that Red jurisdiction and hope that things will get better. Surely there were German Jews who did that. Some even survived the war. Then again, hey, maybe we’ll win overwhelming in 2026, and all this will get rolled-back. Sure, sure.
JWR
@Steve LaBonne:
@Chetan Murthy:
I know it’s not going to stop, and will probably get a lot worse before it gets any better, but my God, these fuckers, from the president down to the lowest ICE goon with a hard on for violence, somehow it’s got to stop!
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yes, but will they? That is the question. Certainly not this congress. :(
Chetan Murthy
Why? How? Do you really think -protests- will make it stop?
Geminid
@PatD: Someone– either Marist or Emerson– polled general election matchups a week before the NYC primary. Cuomo got 44%, Sliwa% 15, Adams 10% and Walden 6%, with the rest undecided.
Mamdani as the Democratic nominee got 36%, Sliwa got 17%, Adams 15% and Walden 7%, with 2% more undecided. I’m guessing Cuomo would take votes from Sliwa and Adams, so I don’t see a path to victory for any of those three, especially considering they are known quantities to New Yorkers.
Also, this poll under-estimated Mamdani’s strengh in the primary, so it likely did in the general election as well.
Captain C
@Geminid: I think both the polls and pundits underestimate just how much us New Yorkers flat out despise both Cuomo (who fucked the city over for funsies) and Adams (who sucked as mayor and was not only corrupt but low-rent corrupt).
Jay
@Ohio Mom:
Both Canada, Australia and New Zealand are signatories to the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, which prohibits discrimination based on disability in immigration.
There are caveats. At least one adult must be a “highly needed skills person”, the family must be financially stable, the dependent child will have to undergo a medical examination. A high needs child may require a bond or the family enough income to ensure that the child will not over tax the support systems.
If they qualify, they go on the waiting list.
And of course, the applicants will need a sponsor, be it an employer or a financially stable family member.
Hoodie
@Omnes Omnibus: I get it, but that does sound a bit like the type of wishful thinking that has led to the point we’re at now, e.g., “just wait, they’ll finally draw a line in the sand.” This Court has been creating messes for quite a while and Congress has done nothing to stop them. Seems like the only recourse is to go nuclear on them and pack the Court the minute that becomes possible. Republicans already packed the Court by allowing Leonard Leo to grow test tube justices that were implanted by GOP presidents while using procedural bad faith to block a Dem president from replacing a dead conservative justice. That was fundamentally breaking the truce. I don’t have a lot of faith that these folks won’t be able to weasel around statutory attempts to constrain them.
Jay
@Geminid:
@Captain C:
The polls used data modelling for the previous election to weigh the outcomes.
lowtechcyclist
@Omnes Omnibus:
From the thread:
Gotta say, I’m worried about SCOTUS playing Calvinball with litigants when they avail themselves of those avenues.
The notion that “this EO is unconstitutional, but we can only ban its enforcement for this particular plaintiff, so the Executive still has free rein to apply it everywhere else for now” is just pretzel logic.
Maybe they’re not ruling in bad faith, and maybe they’ll say “OK, you did it right this time, we’ll apply this to the entire well-defined class of people you’ve defined now” but I’ll believe it when it happens.
Geminid
@Geminid:
@PatD: There is a downside to an independent Cuomo run: he’ll run a negative campaign and try to dirty Mamdani up. So Cuomo could do damage even if he doesn’t win. Mamdani seems to have good political skills and judgement though, and he could weather Cuomo’s attacks and come out the better.
The potential problem would be exacerbated if Democratic office holders support Cuomo, but I think they’ll be smart enough not to. They know that Republicans want to nationalize this race, and so do some of Mamdani’s more vehement supporters.
Bill Arnold
@laura:
With the current SCOTUS, I’ve been mainly reading the dissents.
Usually angry at the author when reading the majority opinion(/concurrences) in a 6-3 split decision.
Dan B
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): His father started the paperwork but died a year later.
Bill Arnold
@Moondoggus:
Age verification for biblegateway!
Ezekiel 23 – Two Adulterous Sisters (NIV)
(search on “genitals”)
Omnes Omnibus
@Hoodie: I am not saying I agree with any of the take havers.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
@Ohio Mom:
All they care about is how useful you can be to them. If you’re not, you can go to hell. They are and will stand idly by while things continue to get worse and fall apart here in the states
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
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Bill Arnold
@Steve LaBonne:
Very few Americans can prove that they are citizens in a framework without birthright citizenship.
Are they a naturalized citizen, or is there proof that a (direct) female ancestor a naturalized citizen, or do they have genetic evidence that a (direct) male ancestor was a proven naturalized citizen?
And if denaturalization is allowed, basically the citizenship of any American can be revoked, by finding disqualifications in their citizenship application or that of their naturalized direct female ancestor(s).
Kayla Rudbek
@Matt McIrvin: yeah, the Gastarbeiter system seems pretty exploitative to me (although some of my generation born under that system seem to have moved into science in Germany)
Kayla Rudbek
@Hoodie: as the joke goes, “we know you’re a whore, the only thing we’re arguing about is your price”
Kayla Rudbek
@Hoodie: the commentary I saw on Bluesky was that the new Pope was the most un-American of the American cardinals (lots of missionary work in Peru, enough time there that he got dual citizenship, so he is aware of the problems with the US Catholic Church and has enough experience outside the USA to not be as influenced by the American heresy i.e. fundamentalist Protestants)
Pittsburgh Mike
IANAL, but if someone moved from TX to MA, couldn’t a clerk in MA, when presented with a TX birth certificate showing a child was born in the US, get a social security # for the child? Couldn’t parents temporarily move to MA, and get a US passport for their kid?
Also, I couldn’t tell if this ruling limits Courts of Appeal from issuing nationwide injunctions, or even injunctions that span the entire Appeals Court’s region.