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Saturday Night Open Thread

by John Cole|  June 28, 20256:35 pm| 137 Comments

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As I write this, the Senate is working up to or actually voting on that evil clusterfuck of a bill. The pundits have begun the usual “are they a yes- they’ve spoke against it” bullshit, like Susan Collins or Just Hawley are going to save the day. I don’t have the fucking energy to play along and then be surprised that Susan Collins’ concerns didn’t matter a hill of beans. And if I am wrong, I will be pleasantly surprised. I called my Senators. They don’t care it is going to crush West Virginia and will vote for it anyway. So that’s where we are. I’ve done what I can short of going Cassian Andor.

***

The NY Times has released the top 100 movies of the last century, some of which we can all agree on, some of which are just pretentious but whatever, some that make less sense, and then there are some egregious omissions like the fact that neither Ex Machina nor Napoleon Dynamite appear on the list. I personally find it a little egregious that Little Miss Sunshine is only at 63 and the fact that City of God is not in the top five. I think I have talked about City of God here before, but it was probably a decade or so ago, but it really is, for me, at least, a remarkable piece of film-making that made me feel more deeply than before I watched it. It is at times a deeply sad and disturbing movie. At any rate, here is a gift link to the list (I have a free account).

In other pop culture news, I saw this the other day and thought it would go over well with this audience:

I’m waiting on yet another massive rainstorm tonight. We can’t cut anything right now because it is just so wet. Normally if it rained tonight by tomorrow at 10 am it would be fine. But we have just had so much rain that the ground is so saturated no more can be sucked up. The wells and aquifers have to be near capacity after all the water we get just goes rushing wherever it goes in the flash floods. And Wheeling’s lowlands are about wiped out after the past couple weeks.

At any rate, off until tomorrow. Here’s to hoping our calls and everything work and the bill fails.

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    1. 1.

      Elizabelle

      June 28, 2025 at 6:39 pm

      Yes.  May that bill fail, and the GOP senators who voted for it go straight to hell shortly after.

      Back to Mel Brooks and Anne Bancroft singing in Polish.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      June 28, 2025 at 6:41 pm

      Just saw on Blue sky that this trade union came out against the bill as a job killer.

      https://bsky.app/profile/joncooper-us.bsky.social/post/3lsp5jnm36c2s

      If it doesn’t stop it, hopefully it’ll at least make Republicans slightly more accountable.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      MattF

      June 28, 2025 at 6:47 pm

      For your browsing pleasure, there’s Lucy Darling. Improvisational comedian, magician, fire-eater— what more could you ask for?

      ETA: NYT list isn’t bad… includes Michael Clayton, leaves out Barbie.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      HeleninEire

      June 28, 2025 at 6:49 pm

      I absolutely loved Little Miss Sunshine.  I remember sitting in the theatre with my 2 friends and we all were just crying laughing at the end.

      A perfect movie.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 6:51 pm

      According to WARNING TheHill, there are some noises that the Senate might not get it done before July 4. And there are GQPers in the House saying that they can’t support the Senate version, so …

      Yeah, much of this kabuki, everyone wanting their particular 30 pieces of silver, and it’s still more likely than not that they’ll pass something (since it’s their last chance to destroy everything), but they really aren’t very competent …

      Forward!!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      RaflW

      June 28, 2025 at 6:52 pm

      The death cult has decided to just swing the wrecking ball with full force. I don’t know what happens in a month, 6 months, two years. It seems grim, but also extremely high risk for Republicans, too.

      And no, I don’t (so far) believe that elections will be cancelled. I do think the GOP might try it, but successfully? That would likely be a line too far. But it’s all a crap shoot now.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      JoyceH

      June 28, 2025 at 6:59 pm

      Update:  I think I mentioned my sprained ankle many threads ago. The update is that it turns out that I fractured my fibula. So much for my fitness plan. I’ve got a big old bulky boot on my right leg and sounds like I’ll be wearing it for a month. Sitting here listening to my muscles dissolve.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Archon

      June 28, 2025 at 7:04 pm

      @RaflW: I think Republicans are banking on the usual strategy of ramping up a cultural or non existent issue to 10 around October of next year.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 7:04 pm

      @RaflW: Some of the RWNJs back in W’s day proposed postponing the 2004 elections.  W’s people shot it down quickly. I think that 47’s minions would have even less success with such a proposal this time.

      ForeignPolicy (from July 2020, via archive.is)

      Forward!!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 7:05 pm

      @JoyceH: Ouch!

      Heal quickly and completely!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Bulgakov

      June 28, 2025 at 7:08 pm

      Sent this to my two shitty Senators (Moran & Marshall) today.

      “If you vote for Trump’s tax bill (the Big Beautiful Bill) I will work against your reelection with all the passion I can muster.

      One needs a mission in life 😊”

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 7:11 pm

      I LOLed at this.

      Enjoy.

      (via https://mastodon.social/@VeroniqueB99 )

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      laura

      June 28, 2025 at 7:15 pm

      @JoyceH: apply liberal amounts of cheese until further notice. Seriously, best wishes for a prompt and strong recovery, but also, cheese.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Nukular Biskits

      June 28, 2025 at 7:20 pm

      Good evenin’, y’all.

      This:

      I called my Senators. They don’t care it is going to crush West Virginia and will vote for it anyway. So that’s where we are. I’ve done what I can short of going Cassian Andor.

      Ditto here for MS.  Neither Roger Wicker and especially Cindy Hyde-Smith really give a fuck.  They’ll make out okay and they’re counting on the stupidity of a lot of Mississippians to reelect them again.

      Unrelated, the statewide “conservative” talk radio network, SupertalkFM, had that asshole Newt Gingrich on either yesterday or today and bragged about it on Twitter::

      “This is one of the greatest comebacks in American political history.” – Newt Gingrich Former Speaker of the House joins MidDays to talk about the rise of Donald Trump, his new book, and the political shift reshaping America. From impeachment to assassination attempts, Gingrich says this is somebody who really has made an amazing comeback under very challenging circumstances.

      I couldn’t resist so I posted a screenshot of that (IMHO) classic Betty Cracker comment about Gingrich:

      Jesus God, Newt Gingrich is a despicable motherfucker. If I were Queen of the World, I would order him lightly scored with rusty pitchforks, dipped in sulfuric acid, rolled in a bed of broken light bulbs, stuffed into a cannon and fired into a toxic waste dump.

      Just as true today as it was years ago.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Craig

      June 28, 2025 at 7:25 pm

      How is Michael Clayton only 93? Good Grief!

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Jim Appleton

      June 28, 2025 at 7:26 pm

      @MattF:

      what more could you ask for?

      Does she do windows?

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Almost Retired

      June 28, 2025 at 7:30 pm

      @HeleninEire:  I too loved Little Miss Sunshine.  We had Australian friends who stayed with us for a night on a long layover at LAX.  When they found out we lived in Redondo Beach, they wanted to see the pageant hotel from the movie.  Alas, it was actually in Ventura, so I appeased them by taking them to the Portofino Inn – the West Coast terminus for the Cannonball Run race and movies.  They were only partially appeased.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      montanareddog

      June 28, 2025 at 7:40 pm

      The NYT list ain’t bad – I have seen most of them. There are several in the top 15 that are genuine all time classics. 2 movies not mentioned in the top 100 I think should be there: Ash is Purest White and  All of Us Strangers. 

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Gin & Tonic

      June 28, 2025 at 7:47 pm

      @JoyceH: Sorry to hear that. Muscle tone deteriorates very rapidly. I lost about 12 weeks due to a small tibial plateau fracture, and I’m nowhere near back to what I was lifting before.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      zhena gogolia

      June 28, 2025 at 7:50 pm

      Love the video!

      Reply
    21. 21.

      hueyplong

      June 28, 2025 at 7:56 pm

      I might have scrolled too quickly, but I didn’t see The Big Short or The Road to Perdition. On the other hand, I’m pleased to see the possibility of a consensus that Michael Clayton is underrated at 93.

      The list would be a good topic for Sunday night.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Craig

      June 28, 2025 at 8:02 pm

      @hueyplong: way underrated

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Suzanne

      June 28, 2025 at 8:04 pm

      @JoyceH: Ughhhhh, I’m sorry. That’s rough.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      John Sterling

      June 28, 2025 at 8:06 pm

      Oh, the 100 films of this century.  Considering I stopped going to movies at about that time, there’s not much I recognize.  I was expecting 100 best films of all time, but that could get really subjective.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      hueyplong

      June 28, 2025 at 8:08 pm

      @Craig: It’s top 5 for me, and Sydney Pollack is the most realistic big firm honcho in movie history.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Sister Golden Bear

      June 28, 2025 at 8:09 pm

      Griefcat gets me.

      Especially tonight since I’m getting over a nasty cold (doesn’t seem to be Covid) that’s left me exhausted for a couple days not. Definite FOMO about missing SF Pride (Trans March last night, Dyke March tonight), but just going out to a women’s coffee meetup earlier today wiped out to the point of need a nap. Bleech.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Matt McIrvin

      June 28, 2025 at 8:10 pm

      @Archon: Nah, they’ll just put the Democratic nominee in prison. Simple.

      I do not believe any Democrat will ever be allowed to win a Presidential election again. The Republican nominee will probably be Trump.

      I’m not even convinced death will stop him. You know who is the current president of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea? It’s not Kim Jong Un. It’s his dead grandfather, Kim Il Sung. Eternal President.

      With AI technology you could do a lot more with this. He could keep on tweeting, even make public appearances by video.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Suzanne

      June 28, 2025 at 8:11 pm

      I am not a big movie watcher, but I enjoyed going through that NYT list. I have seen 32 of them, and I have some huge gaps. Quite a few movies that I had wanted to see and just never got around to. I am on vacation starting tomorrow and I am going to make sure I watch at least one.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Baud

      June 28, 2025 at 8:13 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:

      I do not believe any Democrat will ever be allowed to win a Presidential election again. The Republican nominee will probably be Trump.

       
      Nice try, but I’m still blaming Democrats for everything.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      NeenerNeener

      June 28, 2025 at 8:16 pm

      I saw 49 of the movies on that list, and I hated at least two of them, Frances Ha and The Royal Tenenbaums.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      JiveTurkin

      June 28, 2025 at 8:25 pm

      Fetterman Joins GOP to Defeat Anti-Trump Bill
      Piece of fucking shit!

      Reply
    32. 32.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 28, 2025 at 8:26 pm

      A couple of days ago, I posted the below:

      Unexpected? I think it is entirely predictable, & in fact wrote something along those lines as soon as Bibi launched his Pearl Harbor style attack (gift link to WSJ article below):

      “Israel’s War With Iran Has Reordered the Middle East—but Not as Expected
      Israel’s military success against Iran undermines one incentive for Saudi normalization and raises concerns about its growing power
      By Stephen Kalin and Summer Said
      June 26, 2025 at 11:21 am ET”

      Maybe that explains the Israel Hayom “reporting” making the rounds on X that said Bibi & Trump reached agreement on the future of ME: ending the war in Gaza in 2 weeks, Hamas go into exile, Gazans willing to “emigrate” leave for unspecified countries, Arab states take over administration of Gaza, Abraham Accords expanded to all of Sunni Arab states, Israel commits to a “future” Two State Solution pending unspecified “reforms” of the PA. No Arab states was involved in the “agreement”, neither were the PA or Hamas, or the far right in Bibi’s coalition. Pure fantasy, but perhaps was a trial balloon to salvage normalization w/ the KSA.

      This attitude is exactly what the Sunni Arab states are afraid of:

      Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian @manniefabian

      Defense Minister Israel Katz says he has instructed the IDF to “prepare an enforcement plan against Iran that includes maintaining Israel’s air superiority, preventing nuclear advancement and missile production, and responding to Iran for supporting terror activity against Israel.”

      “We will act regularly to thwart such threats,” he says in a post on X, summarizing the IDF’s activities during the 12-day war against Iran.

      “I suggest the defanged head of the snake in Tehran, understand and beware: Operation Rising Lion was only the preview of a new Israeli policy, after October 7, immunity is over,” Katz adds.

      A succinct take on the implications for the US:

      Stephen Wertheim @stephenwertheim

      Congratulations to the United States, whose role in the Middle East is now to be Israel’s lawnmower.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      zhena gogolia

      June 28, 2025 at 8:26 pm

      @NeenerNeener: Someone read me the top 10 yesterday. Violence and grim stuff seem to be the major qualifications to make the list.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      pajaro

      June 28, 2025 at 8:27 pm

      In addition to Michael Clayton, I thought Black Panther and Spotlight should have made it higher on the list.  I was pleased to see Amour, Aftersun, and The Lives of Others make the list, as they are movies that really knocked me out when I saw them but  that I had kind of forgotten about.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Archon

      June 28, 2025 at 8:29 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: I have never been a particularly patriotic person. And while I don’t think Americans killed in battle are losers like Trump does, I believe America has fought in very few wars that was “worth” dying over. Having said that I am prepared to risk my life and DIE to prevent Trump and his minions from cancelling elections.
      If someone low on the patriot scale like me is prepared to fight and die to save our Republic then there must literally be millions of others prepared to do the same.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 28, 2025 at 8:31 pm

      Also, more evidence of utter lawlessness by settlers in the WB (link to ToI article below):

      Settlers attack IDF soldiers, try to ram them amid riot in West Bank village; 6 detained
      Military says Israeli assailants hurled rocks at troops responding to violence in Kafr Malik, scene of a deadly settler rampage days earlier
      By EMANUEL FABIAN, JACOB MAGID and TOI STAFF
      28 June 2025, 4:10 amUpdated at 11:04 am

      Pretty much:

      Barak Ravid @BarakRavid

      Translated by Grok
      The “shocked” and surprised reactions of the Chief of Staff, the Defense Minister, etc., to the settlers’ attack on IDF soldiers explain how deep the misconception and denial regarding Jewish terrorism in the West Bank run. Such events occur almost daily against Palestinians. In most cases, the military stands by. In a few cases, the military collaborates. The difference today was that there was a battalion commander who decided not to stand by and tried to prevent a pogrom. The result was that he and his soldiers were humiliated and beaten.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      bbleh

      June 28, 2025 at 8:32 pm

      @Another Scott: sadly agree.  Still make noise, call Senators & yell at them, make sure they know they are despised for their evil — who knows, maybe it’ll lead to SOME easing SOMEwhere that will reduce the suffering they intend to inflict.  But yeah, Republicans are ALL ABOUT transferring wealth upward, so the only question is exactly HOW they will screw the non-rich, not whether.

      I keep marveling at how the MAGAts told each other all these years that the Libruls HATED them — even as said Libruls did things like, y’know, guaranteed affordable healthcare coverage for 25-30 MILLION Americans who otherwise wouldn’t have had it — and now, finally, at long last, they may actually be bringing their own wishes true!  I for one am not nearly as benignly disposed to the MAGAts as I once was.  Talk about self-actualization!

      Reply
    38. 38.

      zhena gogolia

      June 28, 2025 at 8:36 pm

      I’ve only seen 12 of the 100 movies, and none of the top 10.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      JoyceH

      June 28, 2025 at 8:52 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: ​
       

      Muscle tone deteriorates very rapidly. I lost about 12 weeks due to a small tibial plateau fracture, and I’m nowhere near back to what I was lifting before.

      Boy howdy! Last year, right before Thanksgiving, and the day after I returned from Italy, I tested positive for COVID. Not at all a bad case, I didn’t feel in any danger or even feel very bad, but I pretty much slept for three weeks. And there went the muscles I’d built up for the trip. So this year, I started early in the year, getting myself built back up for England in October. Think I’d gotten back to where I was before COVID, or close to it, but I learned in Italy that my state of fitness then wasn’t enough. So this year, I started early, by gum, I was gonna be soooo fit! I’d be a walking fool! … sigh…

      Reply
    40. 40.

      eclare

      June 28, 2025 at 8:55 pm

      I’ve seen 29 and agree with Cole that City of God is a masterpiece. The film is like a rollercoaster, taking you along for the ride.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Craig

      June 28, 2025 at 8:57 pm

      @hueyplong: extremely powerful movie.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Gin & Tonic

      June 28, 2025 at 9:03 pm

      @JoyceH: Yeah, I’m not at all sure I’ll be starting next ski season in the shape I started the last one. There’s a lot of work to do.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 9:03 pm

      C-Span.org:

      Vote is 46 yea : 50 no at the moment on the motion to proceed.

      JV is at the Capitol in case he needs to break a tie.

      Lummis (WY), Scott, Lee, Murkowski have not voted yet.

      Exciting!!1

      :-/

      But it’s not over yet.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 28, 2025 at 9:07 pm

      These rankings tend to say more about the pretensions of the people doing the ranking than the movies themselves.

      Nevertheless, I am pleasantly surprised by In the Mood for Love ranking so high. I think both Oppenheimer & the Dark Knight should have ranked higher. (I was initially slightly underwhelmed by Oppenheimer, due to the immense hype. Felt more like a montage than a movie. However, the more I rewatched it the more immersive the experience, & it is an experience, it got.)

      Agree on Michael Clayton & City of God. & shouldn’t all 3 films of the LOTR trilogy be on the list, or as 1 12 hrs long film but ranked higher? Surprised that Dune is MIA. I would have included City of Life & Death by Lu Chuan (about the Rape of Nanking), as well. & how could Scorsese’s Departed, a remake, be on the list, but the better (IMhO) Hong Kong original Infernal Affairs missing?! & I say that as someone who enjoyed Scorsese’s take.

      There is my pretentious take.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 28, 2025 at 9:08 pm

      @hueyplong: Forgot about the Big Short!

      Reply
    46. 46.

      hells littlest angel

      June 28, 2025 at 9:21 pm

      In fact, it’s the 100 best movies of this century. Are we planning to wrap this one up early? That might not be a bad idea.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      lowtechcyclist

      June 28, 2025 at 9:30 pm

      CNN:

      Vice President JD Vance arrived on Capitol Hill on Saturday evening as senators continued voting on a motion to proceed with debate on President Donald Trump’s giant tax cuts and spending bill.

      Vance may need to cast a tie-breaking vote to advance the motion as a few Republicans have already voted against the measure, including Sens. Thom Tillis, Rand Paul and Ron Johnson.

      ETA: I see C-Span (via Another Scott @43) is saying it’s 46 for, 50 against, with Lummis (WY), Scott, Lee, Murkowski having not voted yet.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      mrmoshpotato

      June 28, 2025 at 9:31 pm

      @Another Scott:

      JV is at the Capitol in case he needs to break a tie fuck a couch. 

      Fixed.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      WTFGhost

      June 28, 2025 at 9:32 pm

      @Archon: The good news is, before then, people will have told Trump he can’t have his tariffs, they’re insane, and, they’ll have a hard time making headway. I hope.

       

      @Nukular Biskits: Well… so long as its only a quick dip, so it doesn’t destroy the nerves and nerve endings; honestly, you could probably substitute 99% isopropyl for the sulphuric, and, if you ensure the light bulbs are compact fluorescent (heavy metal poisoning, donchaknow), then I can’t think of anything wrong with it off the top of *my* head.

      @Matt McIrvin: People would figure it out by his using the right words and so forth.

      @Archon: Well, and this is the one thing I don’t think Republicans and right wing boogaloo boys think correctly about. That’s right, you would, if you had to, fight against a Trump monarchy. Well, they think they hate you because you something something electric cars something something trans people something something.

      You’d know you hate them, because you’re missing Sunday brunch for the 80th week in a row, and you won’t get to relax and have a nice brunch on Sunday until these assholes admit they lost. Or, whatever real life thing just pisses you off the most about having to fight against a Trump monarchy. That’s a hell of a lot hungrier than vague fears and cranky racism.

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    50. 50.

      mrmoshpotato

      June 28, 2025 at 9:34 pm

      @hells littlest angel:

      In fact, it’s the 100 best movies of this century. 

      WTF?  There are 75 years to go in this century!  Fuck the fucking dumbshit New York Times!

      Reply
    51. 51.

      funlady75

      June 28, 2025 at 9:35 pm

      Where was The Shape of Water? or The Hours..

      also 12 years a Slave should have been higher on this list….

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Craig

      June 28, 2025 at 9:36 pm

      This may be my favorite part of the times list. On The Grand Budapest Hotel.
      “Wes Anderson is king! (I love Ralph Fiennes also.) This movie in particular reminds me of a beautiful Cocteau-style creation — an artist could only dream up the world we witness here.”
      Pamela Anderson, actress

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    53. 53.

      mrmoshpotato

      June 28, 2025 at 9:38 pm

      @laura:

      apply liberal amounts of cheese until further notice. 

      Covered in cheddar!

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Suzanne

      June 28, 2025 at 9:41 pm

      @zhena gogolia: #1 is Parasite, and I found it absolutely riveting. I watched it on an airplane…. pretty much the only time I get to watch anything uninterrupted. Anyway, by the end of it, I had both hands covering my open mouth and my nose was about three inches from that little tiny screen. Incredible movie.

      I also adored Moonlight. I saw that one in a theater, and it’s so emotional and the ending is so satisfying and fulfilling. I remember walking out of the theater, and I told Mr. Suzanne, “That’s the best movie I’ve seen in the last ten years”.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 9:41 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Wensleydale!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      prostratedragon

      June 28, 2025 at 9:41 pm

      Not bad as a listing, though there are a few missing that I would have included, while many are on it that I haven’t seen yet. As a ranking, don’t see how it could be taken that seriously, and I say this as a big fan of Mulholland Dr. I mean, how does one “rank” such distinct and disparate things?

      Reply
    57. 57.

      lowtechcyclist

      June 28, 2025 at 9:47 pm

      @lowtechcyclist:

      TPM says Murkowski has voted yes.  Rick Scott and Mike Lee are the only Senators who haven’t voted.  Can’t imagine why either of them would vote against the motion.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Lyrebird

      June 28, 2025 at 9:47 pm

      @Another Scott: Wensleydale!

      Now THAT was a top film!

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Craig

      June 28, 2025 at 9:48 pm

      Just finished Times list. Psyched that In the Mood for Love made top 5. It’s one of the most elegant, beautiful things I’ve ever seen on screen. The ending devastated me, and rewarded me at the same time somehow. The Grandmaster belongs somewhere on that list. That’s of course the nature of lists.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 9:52 pm

      It looks like James Walkinshaw won the primary to replace Gerry Connolly for VA-11 in the US House. It looks like he’ll have a majority, even with many candidates running.

      (Gerry endorsed him.)

      Forward!!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 28, 2025 at 9:54 pm

      @Craig: Forgot about the Grandmaster, too!

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 9:55 pm

      @lowtechcyclist:

      The C-Span Live Feed says Lummis (WY), Scott (FL), and Lee (UT) haven’t voted yet.

      47 yea, 50 no.

      They need all 3 of them.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 28, 2025 at 10:05 pm

       

      @lowtechcyclist: Lisa Murkowski comes through for the Repubs yet again.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Timill

      June 28, 2025 at 10:08 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Blessed are the cheesemakers…

      Reply
    65. 65.

      Craig

      June 28, 2025 at 10:09 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian: fight on the train platform in the snow wearing a sable coat is one of the most gorgeous things ever. Her fur hat wearing Second with a monkey on his shoulder is just chef’s kiss.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Elizabelle

      June 28, 2025 at 10:09 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian:  Gawd no.  Shame on Murkowski.  Is this just the cloture vote??

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Steve LaBonne

      June 28, 2025 at 10:11 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian: The phony moderates do that every single time. They are worse trash than the true believers.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 10:13 pm

      @Elizabelle: Yes, this is the vote on the motion to proceed.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Lyrebird

      June 28, 2025 at 10:24 pm

      @Another Scott: Thanks for the VA update.  The Blue Virginia link says this was record turnout, and it’s so good to see so many of the other contenders chiming in to support the new candidate.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Chetan Murthy

      June 28, 2025 at 10:25 pm

      @Steve LaBonne: Or, they are better salesmen?  I think too often we Dems expect politicians to have convictions, to have deeply-held beliefs.  But even on our side there -hacks-, and on the G(r)OPer side, I think most of them are hacks at this point.  They do what they have to do, to keep power, keep their hands on the spigot that controls the cash, and devil take the hindmost.

      Murkowski, Collins, they’re just better at it than Moses Johnson is.  That’s why they can keep their seats in arguably swing states.

      ETA: Johnson’s probably a better infighter, better at the politics of the House caucus, than Collins is in the Senate.  But would he survive in a swing district?

      Reply
    71. 71.

      frosty

      June 28, 2025 at 10:42 pm

      I’ve seen 12 of those, surprising because I don’t watch movies or TV much these days. A lot of them like Wall-E were movies I must have caught when the kids were young.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      RaflW

      June 28, 2025 at 10:44 pm

      @Elizabelle: This is the cloture vote. I guess it’s still not in the bag for Thune? He’s a very weak Majority Leader.

      I hate Mitch with the heat of 1000 suns, but he would not have this sort of open time, vote when you are done with backroom negotiations bullshit that’s happening now.

      I hope the caucus flies apart when it comes time for House and Senate to conform the different bills. Johnson is weak, too.

      Whatever does finally get done will suck, but I want the GOP to suffer, look shitty, and have to pare back as much as possible in this shitshow.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Soprano2

      June 28, 2025 at 10:56 pm

      @Another Scott: I’m so old I can remember Republicans complaining about Democrats making them vote on bills that they hadn’t had a chance to read. Like all their other complaints that was bullshit.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      mrmoshpotato

      June 28, 2025 at 10:56 pm

      @Timill: For they shall recurd the Earth?

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Soprano2

      June 28, 2025 at 10:57 pm

      @JoyceH: I’m sorry, that sucks.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Timill

      June 28, 2025 at 11:03 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: for they shall be called children of Gouda…

      Reply
    77. 77.

      WTFGhost

      June 28, 2025 at 11:04 pm

      @Craig: HEY! I didn’t give you permission to video record that date!

      Unless you’re talking about a movie, in which case, pretend I didn’t say anything.

      (NB: I didn’t say the date was *with* Craig, just to be clear.)

      Reply
    78. 78.

      WTFGhost

      June 28, 2025 at 11:08 pm

      @JoyceH: I have sympathy as only a person, visiting his wife with a broken hip, and hearing horror stories from a family member who seems to have broken one bone in each of the 48 continental United States, can have. Said friend mentioned, after he had his first elbow-to-wrist cast taken off, he looked at the resulting bony limb with such disgust, he was thinking “better they had amputated!” for a while. He got better (as did the arm). Still: I have a better appreciation for the broken bone horror than I had even 24 hours ago.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Kayla Rudbek

      June 28, 2025 at 11:12 pm

      @JoyceH: ouch, hope you recover thoroughly

       

      @laura: second the recommendation for cheese, milk, other dairy products (or Daiya nondairy products if you can’t handle dairy – Daiya actually adds calcium to its products)

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Kayla Rudbek

      June 28, 2025 at 11:14 pm

      @Sister Golden Bear: I think I need to send you this shawl: https://www.ravelry.com/projects/kaylarudbek/full-spectrum let me know if you want it and I can mail it to WaterGirl and she can send it to you.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      TS

      June 28, 2025 at 11:32 pm

      @Baud:

      And of course they supported trump – what did they think would happen?

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Soprano2

      June 28, 2025 at 11:39 pm

      @TS: Another one for the “leopards eating faces” Reddit.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Another Scott

      June 28, 2025 at 11:54 pm

      Last I saw, the motion to proceed vote was 51:49 (so one of the previous Nos flipped to Yea).  They’re reading the bill now (and it’s got another 11 hours or so to go), then up to 20 hours of debate before the vote.

      The senate floor staffers are earning their pay tonight.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      WTFGhost

      June 29, 2025 at 12:17 am

      @frosty: Wall-E was a fine adult movie, too – I know,  I watched it from Netflix, when they were cool, and had DVDs, including hard to get (but still in print) DVDs.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      MagdaInBlack

      June 29, 2025 at 12:57 am

      Not much of a movie watcher but since weather was mentioned in the post: NW Chicago-land is finally cool enough to sit out on the balcony at midnight and not sweat.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      JWR

      June 29, 2025 at 12:58 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      I do not believe any Democrat will ever be allowed to win a Presidential election again. The Republican nominee will probably be Trump.

      I posted this sometime during the last few days: At first I thought it might be a huge typo, but nope, it ain’t. From India Economic Times, I think.

      The lawsuit [against Springsteen] claims that these statements were “knowingly false and intended to harm Mr. Trump’s reputation and influence,” particularly during a period when Trump is actively campaigning for a 2028 reelection.

      WTF?!!!

      Reply
    87. 87.

      prostratedragon

      June 29, 2025 at 1:16 am

      It was one of the weirdest days I’ve ever spent. Have you ever been to Staten Island, Leona? — Sorry, Wrong Number (1948)

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Eolirin

      June 29, 2025 at 1:35 am

      @Another Scott: Well, that’s going to pass. The only question left is whether the house holds together, and I expect they will. The damage from this thing will take a very long time to reverse. And it’s going to kill a lot of people.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 29, 2025 at 1:58 am

      @JoyceH: th3 thing wher3 they tell you to do le* straightening and isometrics to keep up your quads strength: do it.
      I didn’t when I had a broken fibula, and surgery, a cast. Boy was I sorry when it came time to use both legs together for walking.
      The extra atrophy could’ve been prevented, if I’d been on top of it. ROM took a long time to get back, too. If only I’d had a boot, I might have been able to do ankle circles and such.

      wishing you speedy and thorough healing, and strength soon after.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 2:05 am

      I got my tax accounting degree in the 1980s when Reagan ruled. They did all sorts of tax changes. They were heavily publicly discussed. I didn’t like most of them, but at least I knew what they were.

      This cobbling together a radical tax change bill in utter secrecy is a new low for a Republican Party that I didn’t think could have new lows.

      How can businesses tax plan? How can people tax plan? How can businesses even plan in general with tariffs in flux, taxes unknown?

      But somehow to Republican legislators it’s all okay. I know they expect that they will retire after their political lives to cushy think tank or lobbying jobs. I just don’t see what economic benefit their billionaire benefactors see in this economic chaos. Maybe they are not as smart as they think they are.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      rikyrah

      June 29, 2025 at 2:10 am

      Susan Collins represents one of the OLDEST STATES , in terms of population. The cuts to Medicare and Medicaid will result in disaster. Yet, nothing from that trifling trick😠😠

      Reply
    92. 92.

      rikyrah

      June 29, 2025 at 2:11 am

      @JoyceH:

      🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Odie Hugh Manatee

      June 29, 2025 at 2:12 am

      @WTFGhost:

      Soak him in hydrofluoric acid for about a minute, let him shower afterward and then send him on his way.

      I knew someone who was briefly exposed to it (occupationally). A slow and painful end.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 2:14 am

      @JWR: Any constitutional amendment beyond the Second is contrary to the intent of those 18th century slaveholders who walked on water and wrote our laws.

      They put in mechanisms for changing the constitution but that was just a joke to fool the rubes.

      So the originalist Bill of Rights is Amendment One (our rights are defined by our nutcase local pastor) and Amendment Two (we need guns to enforce One). The rest was just PR for the rubes.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 2:17 am

      @rikyrah: She is a lumber baroness. The little people in her state aren’t her problem. They are just clutter in her background.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      MagdaInBlack

      June 29, 2025 at 2:22 am

      @sab: Maybe?

      ( I think there ain’t no “maybe” about it.)

      Reply
    97. 97.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 2:28 am

      Regardless of your political persuasion, our economy is the fishtank we are all swimming in, and the Republicans are determined to poison it to own the libs.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 2:31 am

      @MagdaInBlack: Isn’t that chilling? Our economy is ruled by very rich idiot savants.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Chetan Murthy

      June 29, 2025 at 2:33 am

      @Gloria DryGarden: This is SO TRUE.  I have patellofemoral injury in both knees, and periodically I get depressed and don’t leave my bed.  Or during the pandemic, when I didn’t leave my house.  So the legs, esp. quads, get really weak.  By the time I was going out-and-about again after the pandemic, I had to clutch the handrail to go down stairs.  Oof.  It took a while of isometric exercises, and static leg presses (one leg at a time, knee at 90deg, hold with some weight for N seconds, switch legs, do it again, back-and-forth) before I could go down stairs comfortably again.  Oof.  Oooooof.

      Those isometric quad sets are really important.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 2:37 am

      I should be asleep. It is night here. You other eastcoast and midwestern jackals should be asleep. The Aussues should be arguing while we sleep. But here we are awake and they are elsewhere.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      MagdaInBlack

      June 29, 2025 at 2:41 am

      @sab: I revert to both feral and nocturnal on weekends. Eat, nap, repeat. Thus I am here, and listening to podcasts.

      p.s. we have lightning bugs. Not many, but they’re out.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 2:43 am

      @MagdaInBlack: Our lightning bugs are thriving. Hot and humid. What is not to like for a bug? I am glad to see them.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      MagdaInBlack

      June 29, 2025 at 2:51 am

      @sab: I downloaded that cool Merlin birdsong i.d. app because there are some birds at work whose jabbering I cannot identify. But, it has been so gd hot all week the birds have been off hiding in some cool spot, and not a jabber to be heard, all week

      Here at home, only the house sparrows have been active.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      TS

      June 29, 2025 at 2:52 am

      @sab: This aussie is here – not believing what the US has become & so annoyed because our so called labor (left wing) government is out there doing deals with trump.

      We should be doing all we can to get US bases out of our country & have nothing to do with the trump administration. They are going around the world telling autonomous countries what they should do, how they should spend & why they should worship dear leader. My beloved father, who fought in WWII with the Americans (Yanks as he called them) will be turning horrified in his grave. He used to laugh about teaching them jungle warfare – and get annoyed about how they treated African Americans in their ranks – not allowed to mix outside working hours when in Brisbane. My dad mixed with anyone, he wasn’t a saint & he had some racist tendencies, but anyone fighting the axis in WWII was his friend for life.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      MagdaInBlack

      June 29, 2025 at 2:58 am

      @TS: I am wondering if it’s not so much what we have become as it is the veneer has been peeled off. I know that’s how I’m feeling about what is happening here.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 3:09 am

      OT We did have some good news for just us.

      Husband has had an aneurysm for years that his doctors are watching. This Spring they thought it had grown substantially. He also has a chronic MRSA infection mostly controlled by fierce antibiotics.

      The MRSA means he cannot get a stent because it might be immediately infected. Non-organic implants have no immune system.

      So he would actually have to have open heart surgery and organic grafts. Sort of twenty years ago major surgery. Still with MRSA. We were terrified.

      This week we learned his aneurysm isn’t nearly as bad as we thought. Minimal risk, no surgery needed for now.

      All our birthday plans were based on this being his last. We are thrilled to readjust our expectations

      ETA We take aneurysms seriously because a much loved dog died of one. Had an issue at the top of the stairs, howled in pain, then collapsed and fell down the stairs dead.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      June 29, 2025 at 3:15 am

      Reply
    108. 108.

      MagdaInBlack

      June 29, 2025 at 3:15 am

      @sab: That is major news and certainly lowers that anxiety thermostat. I am glad for both of you ❤️

      Reply
    109. 109.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 3:16 am

      @MagdaInBlack: Call me naive, but I don’t believe we were always like this.  Something lately has brought out the worst in us.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      MagdaInBlack

      June 29, 2025 at 3:19 am

      @sab: I don’t know. All this hate doesn’t spring from nothing. Feels like it was lying dormant.

      I don’t know.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 3:20 am

      @MagdaInBlack: Me too. I have spent this summer thinking about how I could cope without him. I couldn’t see a way forward. Now that is back on the backburner.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 3:22 am

      @MagdaInBlack: I agree. The idea of neighbors having so much hate for me and mine tends to stun me. What? Us?

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      June 29, 2025 at 3:32 am

      @sab:

      That’s great news!

      Reply
    114. 114.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      June 29, 2025 at 3:36 am

      @MagdaInBlack:

      @sab:

      What disturbs me the most is that this phenomenon isn’t limited to just the US, as we’ve seen the rise of the far-right and backsliding elsewhere

      Reply
    115. 115.

      prostratedragon

      June 29, 2025 at 3:42 am

      The Hungarians appear to be tiring of Orbán.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      JWR

      June 29, 2025 at 3:43 am

      @sab:

      Any constitutional amendment beyond the Second is contrary to the intent of those 18th century slaveholders who walked on water and wrote our laws.

      I started writing what I thought was a hilarious retort before I realized it’s way past my bedtime and it wasn’t funny at all. But needless to say, I’ve given you a very nice up-vote. ;)

      Reply
    117. 117.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 3:47 am

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): OT: Would you like a NE Ohio meetup late summer or early fall?

      Reply
    118. 118.

      JWR

      June 29, 2025 at 3:54 am

      He’s baack, and I’ve been noticing his glorious absence:

      (NBC) Elon Musk launched a series of attacks on Saturday against a massive spending bill that would fund much of President Donald Trump’s agenda, renewing his criticisms as Senate Republicans rush to pass a package dubbed the “big, beautiful bill” in order to meet a July 4 deadline set by Trump.

      “The latest Senate draft bill will destroy millions of jobs in America and cause immense strategic harm to our country!” Musk wrote in a post on X. “Utterly insane and destructive. It gives handouts to industries of the past while severely damaging industries of the future.”

      I suppose he’s trying to pull his cars and stupid truck out of the gutter.

      Reply
    119. 119.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 3:59 am

      @JWR: Does anyone other than Trump (wanting his money) give a rat’s ass about what Elon Musk thinks about anything? Possibly Grime, but she is Canadian and also a nitwit so who cares what she thinks.

      ETA Trump did transfer an evil muskrat over to Social Security. That should end well. The muskrats do not realize that we have spent forty years worrying about the integrity of Social Security, because that is our actual retirement fund.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 4:06 am

      @JWR: I hate the Big Beautiful Betrayal Bill as much as Musk does, but I hate Musk more.

      Just saying.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      June 29, 2025 at 4:14 am

      @sab:

      Either works for me. The only potential snag is that I’m going on vacation around the last week of August/first week of September

      Reply
    122. 122.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 4:17 am

      @sab: Like all the youngs since forever ( me too in my youth) they believe FIRST that social security will be gone ( I did too forty years ago. Now it is my main source of income.)

      SECOND That in the upended and heaving economy you are facing that you will be able to save for you old age on top of paying your mortgage and feeding your family.

      You really believe that?

      Reply
    123. 123.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 4:19 am

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Noted. Thanks.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Splitting Image

      June 29, 2025 at 4:27 am

      @JWR:

      “The latest Senate draft bill will destroy millions of jobs in America and cause immense strategic harm to our country!” Musk wrote in a post on X. “Utterly insane and destructive. It gives handouts to industries of the past while severely damaging industries of the future.”

      He’s mad that the Republicans are doing a better job of destroying the country than he did, and he’s worried that his shareholders will decide that Trump would do a better job of destroying Tesla too.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      sab

      June 29, 2025 at 4:47 am

      My stepson came over the other day and “improved” our cable. Told us nothing. Typical IT asshole. Now I can’t work the basics.

      Fuck that. Deducting cable fees from our joint account. Husband can figure out how to benefit from our new improved cable, and also how to pay for the service that has become useless to me.

      I am on a low key but determined rampage. Basically WTF!!!!

      Reply
    126. 126.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 29, 2025 at 5:41 am

      I am so happy to see Past Lives on the top 100 movies. I loved it so much I watched a second time the next day.
      now that I’ve watched Andor, I may have to search out michael Clayton .

      Tony Gilroy’s writing was so compelling in Andor.

      There are a bunch of horror thrillers I won’t be able to watch, sadly. And some things I think would creep me out.
      I tried to watch y tu mamá también, so enthralled with Diego Luna in Andor,  but the free sex, and the rapid spanish were difficult to hang in there with. Perhaps I’ll try again. There’s something about young men having insouciant easy sex that gets to me; I’m always thinking, what if she gets pregnant, how would that be, don’t they care? Even with birth control, things happen; I’ve heard stories from all my girlfriends and clients. Do people just relax and not think about it?

      my neighbors son complains that he didn’t want any kids, but he has 7. It baffles and shocks me.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Baud

      June 29, 2025 at 5:42 am

      Harris and Biden holding hands 🥹

      Reply
    128. 128.

      Geminid

      June 29, 2025 at 8:03 am

      Posted by Nicole Grajewski, a Fellow at the DC-based “Global Think Tank” Carnegie Endowment:

          My piece for the Carnegie Endowment on the impact of U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran’s nuclear program, including the damage, long term pathways to reconstitution, internal debates in Iran, and the future of the IAEA. [Link]

      This link might work:

      https://carnegieendowment.org/emissary/2025/06/iran-strikes-us-impacts-iaea-nuclear-weapons-monitoring?lang=en&center=maybe

      Grajewski’s article is titled, “The Most Significant Long-Term Consequences of the U.S. Strikes on Iran.”

      Reply
    129. 129.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 29, 2025 at 8:33 am

      @Geminid: She has been strongly skeptical of the Israeli strikes, & the later US strikes, from the very beginning.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      June 29, 2025 at 8:46 am

      @YY_Sima Qian:

      Entirely too predictable.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      prostratedragon

      June 29, 2025 at 8:48 am

      Abandoned ice cream carts, fruit, and taco stands. Trucks with broken windows left in the middle of the streets. It’s the new reality ICE has brought to our beautiful city. This taco stand appears to have been hit last night, 6/27 in South LA by Florence and Gramercy.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      June 29, 2025 at 8:56 am

      Lady Bird is great and both Saoirse Ronan and Lauri Metcalf should have won an Oscars.

      Nice to see something from Charlie Kaufmann’s brilliant period.

      Everybody should see ‘The Zone of Interest’.

      #1 makes no sense. Top 100, yes. Best movie of this century to date, particularly given that list of films, hardly.

      Reply
    133. 133.

      Another Scott

      June 29, 2025 at 8:57 am

      For those curious, WARNING TheHill says the hold-up in the Senate was the monsters demanding more Medicaid cuts.

      Grrr….

      Which will make it harder to pass the House.

      (I still expect the monsters to pass something. But they are increasing our chances to flip seats in the elections.)

      Eyes on the prizes.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      evodevo

      June 29, 2025 at 9:24 am

      @sab: ​
        It’s typical of his generation lol…our son STILL does that crap – he did something to his father’s phone a couple months ago, and it STILL isn’t right. Used to do that to our computer, too, when he lived with us. Better to not complain about anything tech when they are within earshot, and talk to someone else about it…

      Reply
    135. 135.

      Geminid

      June 29, 2025 at 9:25 am

      @Geminid: Iran’s Foregn Minister Abbas Araghchi posted a statement yesterday in English where he  answered Trump’s recent bragging with some Trump-style language of his own:

             The Great and Powerful Iranian People, who showed the World that the Israeli regime had NO CHOICE but to RUN to “Daddy” to avoid being flattened by our missiles, do not take kindly to Threats and Insults.

      If illusions lead to worse mistakes, Iran will not hesitate to unveil its Real Capabilities, which will END any delusions about the Power of Iran.

      I found the language preceeding this truculent passage interesting though:

         ….The complexity and tenacity of Iranians is famously known in our magnificent carpets, woven through countless hours of hard work and patience. But as a people our premise is very simple: we know our worth, value our independence, and never allow anyone else to decide our destiny.

      Arahhchi then pushed back on Trump’s trash-talk about Iran’s Supreme Leader:

          If Trump is genuine about wanting a deal, he should put aside the disrespectful and unacceptable language towards Iran’s Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Khameini and stop hurting his millions of heartfelt followers.

      Then came the paragragh I first quoted. Araghchi followed that Trumpian blast with the simple dictum:

         Good will begets good will, and respect begets respect.

      So is Araghchi slamming the door on a prospective deal? Not nearly; it’s more like he is outlining basic conditions for one. I suspect he’s speaking to Rubio and Witkoff here as much as he is to Trump, who Araghchi knows is essentially a powerful idiot..

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    136. 136.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 29, 2025 at 9:57 am

      A couple of articles on the fecklessness of Europe in face of rapidly shifting geopolitical landscape.

      For the Economist (gift link below):

      Feckless Europe accepts Trump’s Lone Ranger diplomacy
      It is meekly welcoming the new sheriff’s vigilante justice
      Jun 24th 2025|5 min read

      Along similar lines:

      Finbarr Bermingham @fbermingham.bsky.social‬

      After Nato chaos, ‘irrelevant’ Europe shambles towards China summit Weekend read from me, revealing Germany as one of the EU member states blocking European Council condemnation of China for supporting Russia. New chancellor, same Berlin? http://www.scmp.com/news/china/d...

      For months since the return of Donald Trump, there has been a roaring trade in papers and speeches about how to make Europe a truly independent geopolitical player. The term “strategic autonomy”, championed by the French government during Trump’s first term, is back in vogue.

      But the independence movement was on the ropes this week: a series of summits thrust Europe’s weakness on global affairs into the spotlight ahead of a bout of engagement with China. On Monday, a meeting of EU foreign ministers exposed its impotence on the Middle East crises.

      On Tuesday and Wednesday, the world watched as European leaders fawned over Trump to try to keep him engaged at the annual Nato summit in The Hague.

      WhatsApp groups across Europe lit up after Trump published text messages from Mark Rutte, the Nato secretary general, telling him that he was “flying into another big success”. They lit up again after he called Trump “daddy” a day later.

      “Europe is going to pay in a BIG way, as they should, and it will be your win,” wrote Rutte, who spent 14 years as the Dutch prime minister until last July, only once hitting Nato’s defence spending targets.

      On to Thursday and a European Council summit in Brussels, where national leaders flip-flopped on whether they could accept a trade deal with Trump that would maintain a base-rate tariff.

      Merz and VDL then bamboozled observers by suggesting the bloc team up with members of the CPTPP to launch a new WTO – even though the EU is not part of the Pacific Rim agreement.

      According to a diplomatic source, at least one leader emerged from this debate – from which phones and aides were banned – asking what CPTPP was. “Europe is completely irrelevant – I think even they themselves stopped pretending they matter,” a second frustrated diplomat said

      A third diplomat from France said the week was “really bad”, but summoned some gallows humour nonetheless. “We French joke these days that the only worse thing than penniless French diplomacy is EU diplomacy.”

      All of this on the cusp of a ramp-up in contact with China. Wang Yi will tour Brussels, Berlin and Paris next week, while the bloc’s leaders will travel to China next month for a two-day summit.
      Given the outcomes of the past week’s meetings, Beijing may well be pleased.

      Observers in Brussels already suspected that China harboured doubts about Europe’s geopolitical credibility, a sentiment that would have only grown over recent days.

      Despite Nato’s Asia pivot, there was no mention of China in the truncated Nato statement, despite China being named as a “decisive enabler” of Russia’s war on Ukraine last year. Leaders from Japan and South Korea, meanwhile, skipped the summit after the US’ bombing of Iran.

      There was also no mention of China in EUCO conclusions, despite efforts from some EU member states to name it alongside Belarus, Iran and North Korea. Most notably, China was absent from a line that “condemns the continued military support” those countries give to Moscow.

      One of the chief opponents to naming China in the statement was Germany, diplomatic sources said. Berlin beat back a push from several others during ambassadors’ meetings in Brussels this week, suggesting Merz’s new govt may not be make the big shift on Beijing some hawks hope for.

      Others, after hearing HRVP Kaja Kallas unload on Beijing after the foreign ministers meeting on Monday, felt the time was right to name and shame Beijing’s support for Moscow for the first time in EUCO conclusions. But the plea fell on deaf ears http://www.scmp.com/news/china/a...

      China was discussed at EUCO, in relation to its support for Russia, its strained trade relations with Europe, and its growing competitiveness on technology. A clear theme, said a diplomat briefed on the discussion, was that EU leaders feared “living in a world dominated by China.”

      But Beijing’s leadership was unlikely to lose much sleep over that, observers said. Instead, some raised concerns that last week’s mess did not bode well for the coming month of summitry with China.

      Sven Biscop, a geopolitical analyst, said events at Nato would come back to haunt Europe. Superpowers would see it as unserious. “Grovelling doesn’t buy you anything – Trump expects that anyway, so you don’t get rewarded. It’s also bad for our reputation in the rest of the world”.

      Ed Arnold at RUSI criticised Nato’s decision to ignore China, adding the event “exposed [Europe’s] total psychological dependency on US”. He also slammed a reduction of the main plenary session to “2½ hours to accommodate Trump, giving each ally less than 5 mins airtime each”.

      “The government of the Netherlands estimates that the cost of the most expensive summit thus far will be €183.4 million – or €1.2 million per minute – making it a serious contender for being the most expensive meeting ever held anywhere in the world,” Arnold wrote.

      The disarray was also noticed in Beijing. “Nato summit’s viral ‘Daddy’ joke exposes Europe’s sidelined agenda,” read a Xinhua headline above an article that contended:“The summit reflected Nato shift toward US-centric theatrics, with Europe’s core concerns largely pushed aside”

      Others were less glum about the bigger picture. After all, Nato has secured Trump’s buy-in for another year and European governments pledged to make what many consider to be essential increases in defence spending.

      “If you went back to the beginning of the year and said, ‘this is where we’re going to be at the beginning of July’, I think people would have taken that,” said Andrew Small at GMF.

      The PRC will not respect or take seriously an EU that is incapable of acting w/ independence, effectiveness, unity & credibility. It will double down on divide & conquer, exploiting intra-European fissures, & minimize concessions.

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    137. 137.

      Geminid

      June 29, 2025 at 10:31 am

      @Geminid: The Iranian Foreign Minister does not call the shots on basic Iranian policy. Those decisions are made by higher authorities. He has been back in Tehran the past few days though, and presumably has been discussing strategy with top officials close to Supreme Leader Khameini.

      In other remarks, Araghchi pushed back on a story about his trip to Geneva two Thursdays ago, when he conferred with European foreign ministers just 36 hours before the US bombed the Fordow and Natanz facilities. Many prople including myself believed the US had intervened with Israel in order to allow Araghchi to fly from from Iran in safety.

      Araghchi said no, he traveled overland from Turkey and flew on to Geneva from there. Araghchi flew back to Turkiye afterwards and conferred with his Turkish counterpart, Hakan Fidan on the sidelines of an Organization of Islamic States conference in Istanbul.

      Turkiye seems to have a “frenemy” relationship with their neighbor to the east, and they did seem too stressed out about Israel’s bombing campaign or the US strike. President Erdogan railed against Israel’s “banditry” but took no concrete action, and he did not denounce his “good friend” Trump’s decision to bomb Fordow.and Natanz.

      Erdogan’s right-hand man Hakan Fidan expressed Turkiye’s current stance yesterday, in remarks summarized by Ankara-based Clash Report:

        After the U.S  attacks, it is evident that Iran’s nuclear facilities are severely damaged and have become unusable. 

      The U.S. and Iran should negotiate. They could reach a deal on Iran’s nuclear program.

      Reply

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