It’s been hours since the Terrible Twinsies got any of the sweet, sweet Big Media attention they craved…
Musk doesn't realize this provision was basically created to protect DOGE?
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec.bsky.social) July 1, 2025 at 9:48 AM
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ROTFL. Normally I'd express outrage, but Elon made this bed for himself and climbed right in.
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec.bsky.social) July 1, 2025 at 9:41 AM
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🤣🤣🤣🤣
— Jon Cooper (@joncooper-us.bsky.social) July 1, 2025 at 9:31 AM
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He thinks it's a spending ceiling, but it's not. It's about being able to borrow to pay for money already spent, as opposed to default on US Treasuries, the financial cornerstone of the world economy.
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec.bsky.social) July 1, 2025 at 9:44 AM
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obviously this is a big sickos haha yes dot jpg moment but i have to say that elon threatening to start a new political party and then primary every republican in congress seems to indicate that he may not know how any of this works www.nytimes.com/2025/06/30/u…
— Josh Fruhlinger (@jfruh.bsky.social) July 1, 2025 at 12:13 AM
From Teddy Schleifer, intoxicated wealth-sniffer, whom the NYTimes seems to be paying to follow Elon around full-time now [gift link]:
The country’s biggest Republican donor called on Monday for the formation of a new political party and suggested he would back primary challengers against nearly every single Republican in Congress.
That was the saber-rattling declaration of Elon Musk, should Republicans on Capitol Hill pass President Trump’s sweeping domestic policy bill.
While Mr. Musk’s words are often just that, he has dramatically escalated his anti-Republican rhetoric over the past few days. On Monday, he suggested that if the G.O.P. bill passed, he would swiftly form a new “America Party.”
“If this insane spending bill passes, the America Party will be formed the next day,” he wrote in one of several Monday posts to his 220 million followers on X. “Our country needs an alternative to the Democrat-Republican uniparty so that the people actually have a VOICE.”
By the evening, Mr. Musk was committing to specific action, saying that he would support Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky, among the most prominent holdouts against Mr. Trump’s bill. Though various G.O.P. factions have voiced concerns about the legislative package, potentially imperiling its passage, almost every Republican member in Congress supports some version of it.
At one point in the evening, Mr. Musk wrote that nearly the entire House and Senate G.O.P. “will lose their primary next year if it is the last thing I do on this Earth” — a tall task for even the world’s richest person, who donated nearly $300 million to Republican candidates in the 2024 election.
Mr. Musk went out of his way to call out two House Republicans who style themselves budget-cutters as leaders of the House Freedom Caucus: Representatives Andy Harris of Maryland and Chip Roy of Texas. He also squabbled with Senator Markwayne Mullin of Oklahoma.
As Mr. Musk campaigned against the bill, Mr. Trump appeared to threaten the subsidies Mr. Musk’s companies, including SpaceX, receive from the federal government…
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honestly the party doesn't need to be "viable" to fuck up republicans' shit, if it gets like 5-10% of the vote mostly pulls from republicans it guarantees a pretty big democratic majority, but even that seems, uh, PRETTY unlikely
— Josh Fruhlinger (@jfruh.bsky.social) July 1, 2025 at 12:15 AM
lollipopguild
Trump is going to deport Elon and take away all of his Govt. monies? Did I just die and go to Heaven?
Old Dan and Little Ann
I’ll believe it when I see it. I do hope to see it.
Miss Bianca
I am so fucking sick of all these dipshits I could scream. At this point, I am rooting not just for injuries, but for sudden, hideously painful deaths for the entire GOP contingent.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
That does say a lot when some stoner like Musk get it this bill is really dumb idea.
MazeDancer
Trump just did the “people are saying” thing about Zohran Mamdani. That Zohran is here illegally.
Zohran Mamdani is an UWS kid of privilege. H&H Bagels, Zabars, Central Park, private school genuine New Yorker.His mother is a vaunted movie director and his dad a notd professor at Columbia
If he is here illegally so are Ivanka, Barron, Donnie, and Eric. And half the UWS.
Think Trump might have just insured Mamdani’s elecion.
Steve LaBonne
Remember how Elmo was going to find all those savings and failed because they don’t exist? Pepperidge Farm remembers!
chemiclord
It’s actually kinda fascinating how eerily similar the Lefter-than-thou and alt-right reactionary rhetoric is considering how they believe pretty much entirely mutually exclusive things… outside of “liberal democracy sucks” I guess.
NaijaGal
@MazeDancer: No, Pete Doocy asked a question of the White House spokesperson yesterday about whether the administration would look into Mamdani’s naturalization paperwork in order to denaturalize and deport him. The answer was basically yes.
Ruckus
elon is supposed to be the world’s richest man which he thinks makes him the smartest. But money can’t buy intelligence or the ability to see the real world in front of him, that takes his ego not being in the front of everything else. His idiotic ego, that thinks that money makes him smart. But he didn’t earn that money it was left to him – an inheritance, that was likely gotten by what most humans would call fucking over other humans. He built – OK paid for a business to make electric cars. They aren’t bad, could be better (I’ve known a couple of owners) but he’s such a pompous, arrogant jackass that most people see him instead of the cars. Then he comes out with this stainless steel abomination that is a 4 seat pickup that looks up close like it was a kit in a box that got thrown off the back of a truck delivering it to your door, driving by at 60 mph and the straps were cut and it was pushed off that moving truck, because for them to finish it would raise the price about 25% and no one would buy one. Of course they are selling like hotcakes at 3 pm in a truck stop dinner, because they are fugly (that’s fucking ugly…) look like a very expensive, oversized kid’s toy and don’t actually carry much. I’ve known a couple Tesla car owners and they liked their cars. I’ve never seen a cyber truck on the road. I’m sure they exist but why?
Steve LaBonne
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Not for any sane reason- he thinks it doesn’t cut nearly enough.
Steve LaBonne
@chemiclord: “Liberal democracy sucks” is always what’s at the point where the ends of the horseshoe meet.
Ruckus
@Miss Bianca:
That’s not nice.
Honest, truthful, admirable and deserved, but not nice.
Of course nice is sometimes over rated…..
Ruckus
@MazeDancer:
I don’t call drump shitforbrains for no reason.
Steve LaBonne
@Ruckus: “Nice is different than good.” – Red Riding Hood
Captain C
@MazeDancer: People are saying FFOTUS is a Queens nepo baby who cheated his siblings, squandered his inheritance, and could never make it in Manhattan society because he was a stingy, crude asshole who wouldn’t give to charity.
In this case, they’re 100% right!
Captain C
Also, I still think Lone Skum and FFOTUS, when this is all over and they are tried and convicted, should be forced to share a cell together until the end of their lives.
Old School
I’m OK with both of those outcomes.
Soprano2
The pressure for Democrats to welcome this white supremacist into our party with open arms is going to ratchet up a lot now. I’ve been hearing it ever since the Musk/FFOTUS bromance broke up. They don’t seem to think being a white supremacist Nazi is a deal-breaker for Democrats. I don’t for a minute believe he’s changed at all. Yet another person who didn’t listen to anything FFOTUS said while he was campaigning, or else he would know how much R’s hate renewable energy.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Soprano2:
MattY and the rest of the “abundance” clowns are on Line 2.
Citizen Alan
@Ruckus: I think we’re up to 3, possibly 4 in Fresno. One red, one black, and either two silvers or one silver that really gets around town a lot. One of the a-holes uses my gym so I see it pretty regularly. Have not seen the owner yet.
Another Scott
Something something bread and circuses?
47 always, always has to be in the news. Setting the scene for what is talked about.
Meanwhile, … Phys.org:
Looking at the 2016 and 2024 Presidential election campaigns, I think we can see that there’s a through-line in our “normal” politics as well.
It’s a big problem.
Worth a click.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Tim C
@chemiclord: If you want to learn about how none if this is new, read up on how the KPD (Communists) worked with the Nazis (NSDAP) to bring about the end of the Weimar Republic. Short version is that the communists absolutely despised the Social Democrats (Fairly leftish for the time) party more than they they hated the Nazis. Then they figured after the Nazi’s collapsed the republic, they could take over. “Nach Hitler Uns” (After Hitler, US)
Spoilers: It didn’t go well.
scav
Two things I get from that.
A) He’s not abandoning the GOP, he’s going for a takeover of it. He’s going after primaries.
B) His baseline assumption is thus Repub voters will follow the money, they can essentially be bought.
bjacques
If Trump had a tenth the stones of Putin, Musk would be in the Gator Gulag and his businesses divided up between Don Jr and Eric.
To be fair, the Social Democrats under Ebert slaughtered a lot of Communists after the collapse of the Munich Soviet in 1919, IIRC.
jonas
@Captain C: The entire premise of The Apprentice was basically to make it look like Trump was this huge icon of the Manhattan charity circuit. Remember all the challenges that in some way revolved around some “fundraiser” he was hosting, or some “charity” his businesses supported?
All made up. Every. Fucking. Bit. Even the fake charity he had set up outside the Apprentice bullshit was shut down by NY state for being a fraud. The guy wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. That’s the kind of philanthropist he is and everyone knew it and never invited him to fancy galas or asked him to sit on the board of the Met or whatever and that’s why he’s had it out for NYC’s elite for decades.
cmorenc
@Soprano2:
Did Trump’s hatred of renewable energy come in significant part from his dislike of the aesthetics of a proposed wind energy project off the Scottish coast that would be visible from one of his golf course property projects?
Old School
That’s kind of mundane for Musk. I would thought “Party X” or “The Sexy Party” would be more likely.
clay
Elon Musk: “America has a uniparty which is why I spent hundreds of millions of dollars on Republican candidates.”
Easy to see why he’s worshipped as a genius.
Archon
I don’t believe Musk but he could do enormous damage to the GOP political prospects if he follows through on his threats
Baud
@Soprano2:
Since everyone has a different deal breaker, I’m not sure we can say there are any deal breakers.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@NaijaGal: No doubt this regime will try. The circus is the only thing these nincompoops do remotely competently.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@cmorenc:
That’s a part of it but by all accounts, his hatred is nothing more than typical financial support to the GOP by fossil fuel corporations. Not that they don’t give a shitload of money to Dems but at least Dems don’t see energy development as a zero sum game.
Tim C
@bjacques: Yeah, sorta. Though again, that came *AFTER* the KPD got a bit ahead of themselves and took over Bavaria without noticing they didn’t exactly have the support of the population. Likewise the Friekorps weren’t exactly operating out of an abundance of caution or authority. I mean it’s not like we have mysterious Quasi-legal masked bullies wandering around today kidnapping…..
Oh shit.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Captain C: that is epically literary. I see a short story in your future
Steve LaBonne
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Please tell me it’s a railroad line and a train is barreling toward them.
Soprano2
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Yep, along with James Carville among others. They think he used to be a Democrat! LOL For me him professing white supremacist views over and over and over is a deal-breaker regardless of anything else he might say. Let him repudiate that and then PROVE IT for a few years and I might rethink my position. I think he’s like FFOTUS in that he has few beliefs he truly holds, but I think white supremacy is one of them.
NotMax
¿Por qué no los dos?
;)
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Tim C: Rosa Luxembourg’s pathetic, horrible ending enters the picture.
They Call Me Noni
@jonas: I watched one episode of that horrible show and thought “what a bully this asshole is”.
Soprano2
@Baud: Well, that’s my personal deal-breaker. I can forgive someone a lot if they’ve truly changed, but he’d have to demonstrate for a long time that he had truly repudiated that crap. Also the misogyny, which as we see from the upthread posting is a “gateway drug” for many of these people. Look at how many derogatory words we have for men who society thinks behave like women, and it’s hardly a mystery why this is so.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@scav: it appears to me the soutpiel fails to understand our system.
Mr. Musk’s hypothetical new party will not be able to primary every Republican since most republicans primaries are closed affairs. I suppose he has the funds to try & do both.
If so, we should all invest in popcorn futures?
Baud
@Soprano2:
I have so many deal breakers I might as well not be part of a party.
Or maybe I just have a few deal breakers and people suck.
It’s all relative.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@cmorenc: yes
That and somehow wind causes whales to die and cancer to grow in his big, holey head.
Madeleine
@MazeDancer: Public school—Bronx Science.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Soprano2: his emotional IQ is not high. That much we can all witness with our own eyes.
tam1MI
I could be wrong on this, but “we’ll look into it” seems to be Trump world’s way of saying, “We ain’t gonna do shit”.
rikyrah
@Miss Bianca:
Come sit by me😒
rikyrah
@Soprano2:
Hell muthaphuckin NO😠😠
NotMax
@HopefullyNotcassandra
“If the power generation uses up all the wind where will people be able to fly kites? How will sailing ships be able to ply the seas? Manufacturers of wind chimes will be put out of business.”
//
Dorothy A. Winsor
@tam1MI: Yeah, I used to tell my son, “I’ll think about it.” Same thing
Tim C
@HopefullyNotcassandra: Yup. Perfect example, though I think she got singled out due to her gender. (Because misogyny as mentioned is the core part of extremism on all sides.)
sab
@MazeDancer: I am not a New Yorker. UWS= Upper West Side?
Rachel Bakes
@Steve LaBonne: my thoughts exactly. Stephen Sondheim said it perfectly.
MazeDancer
@Captain C: So true.
And so stupid.
The way into Manhattan Society has never been complicated: Give Money.
The more you give, the more they will include you. Start with buying a few tables at galas. Joining small boards and raising big bucks for them.
Work your way up, give,give,give, and soon they will be throwing galas honoring you.
Arts and theatre are key. So are medical establishments. Universities. NYPL. Museums.
Burning money by backing Broadway plays is also good.
You can buy your way in if you have enough money.
Trump, always cheap and stupid, never made the effort.
NotMax
@MazeDancer
Store with much too much enticing stuff to browse through crammed inside
;)
scav
So his new independent party in a mere 1.5 years is going overwhelm Republican primaries of the American uniparty that keeps losing popular votes. Got it. Yep, the unique high-value brilliance of businessmen should really be taking a tooth-fairy level beating in any sane world — which clearly doesn’t apply in these here states.
scav
@HopefullyNotcassandra: Yeah, I finally caught up with that scintillating facet of his unique genius.
Steve in the ATL
Saw a Tesla on Peachtree this morning with an Elon University sticker on it. Struck me as an unfortunate combination.
HinTN
@Ruckus:
Oh, I’ve seen them. More and more, recently. They exist because Lone Skum said they would. Why anyone would purchase one remains a mystery.
danielx
@Ruckus:
I saw a pink one today.
Grotesque.
Trollhattan
@Archon:
Same. He did their bidnez busting up so very many federal departments and now if he’s no longer useful, they’ll simply ignore him and stop inviting him to stuff and taking his calls.
JD’s still there to be the tech bros’ shine boy.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@NotMax: Obviously, with one quibble on the lovely language choices. Ply the seas is bigly too poetic for his Holey Headedness.
Belafon
@Miss Bianca: I saw a woman at the grocery store with a shirt saying “I’m about ready to flip tables like Jesus” or something really close to that.
Trollhattan
@Steve in the ATL:
They recruited my kid and she even visited the campus. Likewise, I hadn’t known they exist and pondered how long it will take them to recover their good name.
Mind, all that was the spring of ’24 and the greater Elon horrors were still off in the future.
WaterGirl
@MazeDancer:
You accidentally appended extra characters at the end of your email address, so it sent you into moderation.
You’ll want to fix that before you comment again, if you haven’t already.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Steve LaBonne: That really is one of it’s problems; it drives up the deficit for a tax break that doesn’t benefit anyone (the tax break is like the equivalent to a family meal for the billionaires) If it was just austerity at lest it would, in the theory, bring the deficit down.
Trollhattan
@danielx:
Barbie Edition Cybertruck somehow seems necessary.
Matte black with opaque windows is becoming a thing here. Makes the thing look even bigger, for some reason.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Tim C: Yes. Her birth religion played a role too, no doubt. Had she made the deal the Weimar Republic’s liberals offered her, perhaps millions more people live full lives, World War II never starts and the absurd Austrian spends all of his days locked securely up. She paid the ultimate price for her stupid recalcitrance, as did millions of others who had no choice at all.
Shakti
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Old School: If it gets right- and leftwing dude bros to stop directly or indirectly supporting the GOP, I’m all for it. Please proceed, Elon.
Jackie
@Archon:
And then flip back to trying to vote Democrats out.
Muskrat wants to own America.
He went after democrats in ‘24 and ‘25 – anybody remember his spending millions trying to buy a judge just a couple of months ago?
If America could get Muskrat out of the US, we’d ALL benefit as Americans.
HinTN
@Trollhattan: “Now Leggles the tailor and the shine boy’s gone. Faded out with ragtime blues.”
Trollhattan
@HinTN:
👍 Every day is a good day for some Joni.
lollipopguild
@NotMax: If we can get people to eat beans (a renewable resource) we can make all of the wind we can possibly use.
jonas
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: oh he’s fine with all the screw the poors stuff. He’s just upset because it also eliminates most of the green energy subsidies and government contracts his companies rely on.
Old Man Shadow
As much as Elon deserves it, I feel rather sick to my stomach thinking about letting the President determine who is a citizen of the United States based entirely on their level of support for him.
MazeDancer
@Madeleine: Yes, an excellent school. But grammar school, when he arrived at age 7, was Bank Street.
Good liberal education.
@sab: Yes, sorry, UWS = Upper West Side. Same thing with an E = Upper East Side..
Separate, distinct cultures with overlap when it comes to private schools for rich kids
And there is some nuance in culture the more Upper you go on the WS.
Have lived in both areas and vastly prefer UWS. And not just for the superior food shopping.
But for such a small geographic area, Manhattan is full of neighborhoods. And there is something to like about almost all of them.
Archon
@jonas: He might be fine with screwing the poor but he blew up his companies brand by being the heat shield on DOGE cuts only to find Republicans doubling down on debt. So I can hate Elon and his politics while also acknowledging how and why he might feel completely and utterly betrayed by Trump and Republicans.
NotMax
@lollipopguild
Fartmills will power the Earth!
:)
rikyrah
waltb31 (docb2020 on Threads) waltb31.bsky.social (@waltb31) posted at 5:28 AM on Tue, Jul 01, 2025:
Big agricultural farms in Mississippi are using slaves from prisons to work on egg and chicken farms. Slaves. In America 2025. Now you understand why so many private detention centers are being built for immigrants. Slave Labor #AbolishSlavery #Nuremberg2028 https://t.co/eHXJb7VCBP
(https://x.com/waltb31/status/1939994604335460406?t=7Kg41cYBIHhhhK5gDqsm1g&s=03)
Suzanne
@Soprano2: Like, FFOTUS is a bigot and a white supremacist…. But he doesn’t go to meetings. Elon is definitely the kind of Nazi who goes to meetings.
rikyrah
Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) posted at 11:32 AM on Tue, Jul 01, 2025:
Trump calls for deporting US citizens: “We also have a lot of bad people that have been here for a long time … many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too, if you want to know the truth. So maybe that’ll be the next job.” https://t.co/zQDOlqjB3u
(https://x.com/atrupar/status/1940086036643697161?t=wc5tIRgUzFuk5aYb796zIA&s=03)
Captain C
@jonas:
I never watched it because it was so annoying, but that’s not surprising. I think the entire show was a fraud; I read somewhere that he was chosen for it because actual entrepreneurs were too busy running their companies to be on a ‘reality’ show.
Is that the children’s cancer one that he and his degenerate kids stole from?
I remember reading where at one of those galas he plopped himself into one of the VIP/megadonor seats despite not having given a dime to the charity, and that this caused real problems with the actual benefactor whose seat he stole. One wonders why they didn’t do some genteel version of the Casino cowboy scene to get rid of him rather than allow him to screw up their fundraiser that way. If I was a donor to that charity I would seriously question future giving, even if I wasn’t the big donor whose seat and dinner were stolen by TFG.
Captain C
@HopefullyNotcassandra: I don’t know if I would watch that buddy movie, but if I had the cash I would definitely produce it.
Captain C
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
That is an acceptable outcome.
Geminid
@Citizen Alan: I’m kind of surprised you don’t see more Cybertrucks in Fresno. Then again, I heard they’re not selling that well.
There was a stir when a Cybertruck was spotted in Damascus, Syria earlier this year. That led to widely circulated “How it started/How it’s going” meme. It showed a picture of the Cybertruck driving around downtown Damascus, and another photo of it being hauled away on a roll-back truck.
Captain C
@scav: If you took some ketamine it might make sense.
Baud
@rikyrah:
We’ve obviously already lost the battle on whether exiling citizens is deportation.
lgerard
@Trollhattan:
There is one of these in my neighborhood. When I first saw it down the street parked at the curb I thought it was a dumpster.
First impressions are often correct……
Paul in KY
@lollipopguild: Remember: TACO. Which is a bummer in this case.
Moondoggus
@Old School: people seem to think that Elon is going to fund challengers.
i think it far more likely that he will turn Xitter against Republicans. That should terrify them.
Paul in KY
@Ruckus: I’ve seen about 4 or 5. All ugly as hell.
eclare
Soothing photo today. Thanks WaterGirl.
rikyrah
Andy Specht (@AndySpecht) posted at 10:45 AM on Tue, Jul 01, 2025:
NEW @NRSC letter to GOP donors:
With Tillis out, the group is “more confident than ever” Republicans can keep North Carolina’s Senate seat.
Internal polls showed Tillis trailing Democrats by 9-13 percentage points, source says. https://t.co/SM1WvlEtZK
(https://x.com/AndySpecht/status/1940074211453678046?t=nauA0ETIBOwN8BNg2vDlOw&s=03)
Suzanne
I saw a green Cybertruck a couple of days ago. The color made it slightly less ugly.
rikyrah
Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) posted at 11:04 AM on Tue, Jul 01, 2025:
Final vote. 50-50. VP breaks the tie.
One single GOP Senator could have stopped this abomination. Saved millions of parents from watching their child go hungry. Saved the lives destroyed when Medicaid disappears.
They will all live forever with the horror of this bill.
(https://x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1940079181372563966?t=vTnMsU-Q7mQOVHG-Kk0Pag&s=03)
Paul in KY
@Another Scott: Another reason that we must (IMO) run a dude in 28. Must win at all costs and I am convinced that in present US society, a female at top of ticket costs us too many votes. Those who didn’t vote for Sec. Clinton and VP Harris for that reason are jerkwad POSes, of course, but if they would vote for a Dem dude, then we must have their votes.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Captain C: buddy movie? I figured it would be a daily brawl, like the kind between two kindergarteners who have not yet learned how to punch or weave.
Paul in KY
@Old School: He’d probably go with ‘The Nasty Party’ and then, you know…mispronounce it.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Moondoggus: into what though? Where will all the catturds go????
Geminid
@Archon: For all his big talk, I don’t think Elon Musk has the focus and patience to build a rival power center inside the Republican Party, or outside it either.
Captain C
@HopefullyNotcassandra: That would be my guess too. Perhaps we can cuff them together by their good hands to increase the possibilities of humorous conflict.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@rikyrah: yesssss
the Republican Party of North Carolina is well known for picking stellar statewide candidates
snarkity snark snark
laura
@rikyrah: California voters just this last election voted in favor of subjecting inmates to mandatory work orders. Previously, an inmate could refuse an order of forced labor, although it is a common practice to offer inmates work for a sub sub-minimum wage and such work has been considered a privilege, and sought after. The language of the Bill was purposefully vague and passed handley. I voted against it because it is cruel and it denies the encarecerated one more of the few rights they retain as well as leaving no room for religious or conciencous objectors.
Matt McIrvin
@MazeDancer: so, Trump sends the Mayor-elect to Gator Gulag and what happens?
Josie
@Paul in KY:
I agree totally. Like you, I don’t like it but I agree.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Trollhattan:
Definitely not matte black:
https://flic.kr/p/2qwmBa2
I was in LA in early May and would see 1-3 Wankpanzers each day and yeah, matte black with opaque windows were the “thing”.
Tomorrow, Tesla will release it’s Q2 sales report and everybody’s expecting another blood bath. Which would be A. Good. Thing.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Captain C: that is a thought. Surely it would drive up the ratings, which would bigly please the incarcerated pair.
rikyrah
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (@RepJayapal) posted at 11:25 AM on Tue, Jul 01, 2025:
Selfish. Cruel. Expensive.
Voting for the bill because you got a special hospital fund just for your state is open acknowledgement that folks will get kicked off healthcare & will have to go to expensive emergency rooms. Also clear you know it’s a terrible bill for everyone.
(https://x.com/RepJayapal/status/1940084295789433002?t=wd-uE_bLBeE5iy35dnXtaQ&s=03)
Matt McIrvin
They’re probably looking into de-birthright-ifying Barack Obama. Closes a circle for Donny.
Another Scott
RollCall.com:
Heh. Good one. Make him eat it.
Back in the olden days, when bills differed there would be a “conference committee” to hammer out the differences and then both houses would vote on that. AFAIK, they haven’t used that process in a very long time (instead one chamber jams the other and forces them to accept their version), but maybe they’ll resurrect it now to try to rush it through so they can all split DC.
So, yeah, they were going to pass something. The only question was who was going to get rewarded and who was going to play “principled conservative”. Presumably the same calculus is happening in the House, but too many of those people are crazy so it’s not a done-deal yet.
More at the link.
Best wishes,
Scott.
jonas
@Archon: A little bit like a group of crooks, one of whom is focusing on mugging little old ladies, but then finds out the rest of the gang has been cashing in on drug dealing and not cutting him in and now he’s all pissed, like “hey, guys, we had a deal here! You all suck!!”
No honor among thieves, as they say. I hope he ends up getting his stupid-ass frog face deported.
Soprano2
@rikyrah: And as usual, something that should be a five-alarm fire for reporters will probably be glossed over.
Geminid
@Suzanne: I saw a green Rivian a couple months ago. That was a pretty truck.
Ramona
@They Call Me Noni: That’s what I thought too. I could not understand why people liked it.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Matt McIrvin: it still does not work. Barack Obama’s mother was an American citizen.
HinTN
@Geminid: a professional friend has a Tesla and a Rivian. He was an early adopter for both and has been pleased. I think the quality of the early Teslas was probably superior to the later models.
Archon
@rikyrah: Trump never said those “black jobs” wouldn’t be from the incarcerated.
Jeffro
Musk’s $$$ vs trumpov’s threats and intimidation…gosh, who do I wanna root for here?
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Another Scott: Lisa Murkowski got the Klondike kickback* she did not have the moral will to refuse.
* the Klondike kickback is significantly larger and more expensive than the Cornhusker kickback ever was.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Geminid:
More Rivians than you can shake a stick at:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rE8kdnmo9cSbEpwr6
Five minutes from my house. There are a ton of these very, very pricey EVs in Denver for obvious reasons.
Belafon
@Paul in KY: I’m still torn on that, but it won’t affect my vote. If America isn’t ready to elect a woman, then we won’t actually fix anything. If we elect a man, we’ll most likely be in a position where the only change people want is what was tried in 2024 didn’t work.
Splitting Image
@Paul in KY:
Meh. I say wait for awhile before committing to any candidate, or any type of candidate.
The Democrats might indeed do better with a man at the top of the ticket, and a white man at that, but saying it out loud at this point is a good way to get Andrew Cuomo as your candidate. One reason being that all of the consultants trying to bury Mamdani in New York are probably already beating this drum.
Pritzker and Newsom are probably the two frontrunners at his point, but I would avoid trying to clear the field for them. By this time next year there may be 20 candidates running, and there will be plenty of time to pick the best one then.
jonas
That is correct. He was really the only famous “rich guy” they could get to spend hours every week filming a reality show. Everyone else was busy, you know, running stuff and doing real work. I think it was back in 2015 or 16 when Josh Marshall (iirc) was talking to some major Wall Street macher or something about Trump’s candidacy and image as a businessman and the guy supposedly goes, “Trump? *I’m* a billionaire. Trump’s a clown who lives on credit.”
Turns out the presidency is pretty lucrative, though!
Shakti
@Another Scott:
HopefullyNotcassandra
@HinTN: still many teslas are the most dangerous cars on the road.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/
There is also the sometimes deadly difficulty with opening the door of a Tesla when the power is off (like following an accident).
https://www.techspot.com/news/107995-tesla-owners-install-diy-rip-cords-avoid-trapped.html
Warn your friend !
prostratedragon
@Captain C: A sudden, utterly nonviolent inundation of dark folks was known to work in such situations back in the day, but I guess the Met board or whatever didn’t have the right connections.
JML
@rikyrah: this is definitely part of the GOP plan: fill up the prisons with anyone they deem “undesirable” then work them to death to enrich their coffers. Sadly, too many Americans will buy into this because they’ll think the only people being stuffed into prison are actual criminals and that they deserve it. And this corrupt Court will never invoke the 8th amendment: nothing is too cruel for these fuckers as long as it happens to someone else.
Miss Bianca
@Belafon: Heh. WWJD – “What Would Jesus Destroy”?
Citizen Alan
@JML: I’ve said for some time that there will a serious push to reinstitute slavery, and a massive expansion of the prison population would bypass the 13th amendment.
Miss Bianca
@rikyrah:
You first, Donny. You. First.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Splitting Image: If a white woman can’t get elected president, I would be skeptical a Muslim-American could, in two years. Then again, Trump seems headed to be a bigger disaster than GW Bush, so who knows?
Also, ya’ a white man likely would work, but not all white men are the same – see Cumeo and Fetterman.
Shakti
@Paul in KY: Maybe.
But I don’t think there will be any people left would stay home or vote for the Republican butfor the Democrats running a female candidate instead of a white guy.
Or at least I don’t think they’d be the margin between victory and defeat.
Especially after everything that has happened and will happen. I think such people would simply find another pretext to stay home or vote Republican. At this point, they’ll run Trump again (yes, the constitution, but seriously he shouldn’t have been allowed to run again and well) and such a person will vote Republican or stay home because they like what’s happened, not “eww girl cooties” consciously or unconsciously.
[I don’t know what the butfor numbers are for Harris. Biden’s numbers must have been so bad if he decided not to run again based on your logic]
Ramona
@HopefullyNotcassandra: What was the deal offered to Rosa Luxembourg by Weimar? (Just finished scanning the Wikipedia entry on her.)
jonas
Unfortunately Americans have the memories of lobotomized hamsters, so everything will go to shit and people will be all pissed and miserable but also no-one will remember who voted for anything and anyway bothisides are so bad and …..hey! Shinything! Squirrel! FFS you’d have thought one round of Trump was enough for America for at least a generation or two, but apparently not! Four years later here we are again.
Until Democrats can commandeer more of the media ecosystem than just MSNBC and a few late night talk show hosts, nobody in America is even going to be remotely aware of why all the shits that going to happen to them is happening.
Miss Bianca
@Another Scott: So, she’s depending on the House (HA!) to save her from her vote? What a contemptible little coward.
To think I used to think Murkowski actually had something resembling principles, maybe.
Matt McIrvin
@Citizen Alan: The loophole in the 13th specifies that there has to be a criminal conviction. But right-wing courts seem to be convinced that the privilege of deporting them means immigrants have basically no constitutional rights… and Trump seems to think he personally decides who gets to be a citizen… so you do the math.
RaflW
@rikyrah: This is beyond the pale. Making people stateless is insane. But our media elites will not take it seriously until one of them gets extraordinary renditioned to South Sudan, I suppose.
prostratedragon
Thread on the Florida camp:
Alcatraz was a prison for people duly convicted of crimes. This thing is not that.
jonas
@Miss Bianca: Let’s see… When my time came, I would demand to be deported to either Switzerland, Finland, or New Zealand.
Captain C
@RaflW: At this point I vote for that to be Tapper, or one of the FTFNYT asslickers.
(I mean, ideally no one at all, but…)
zhena gogolia
What happened to the fucking respite thread? I need it.
Dave
@Archon: Though I would also emphasize “incredibly predictably”.
Which is Trump’s real super power somehow every over confident dingbat he uses and discards is convinced that it doesn’t apply to them.
Elon is for instance after all very smart, just ask him, and definitely the protagonist so it can’t happen to him
A Man for All Seasonings (formerly Geeno)
@MazeDancer:
Universal Waste Systems?
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: This one went up 2 minutes after mine, so no one was commenting on my post, so I pulled it for another time when people might actually see it.
Miss Bianca
@Captain C: The
beatingsdeportations will continue until morale improves.@WaterGirl: I commented!
Archon
Nothing Trump and the Republicans have done the past six months fits with a party expecting free and fair elections in 18 months. Who knows though, maybe they have convinced themselves a transgender winning 5th place in some high school sport nobody besides the parents of those athletes cares about will outweigh actively making life harder for 99 percent of voters.
JaySinWa
If Musk created a party would it fail like Perot’s Reform, What ever Bloomberg did, Yang’s Forward party, Kanye West, some other dude/ette, or would it fail in a new and unique manner?
zhena gogolia
I’m feeling real patriotic about the fucking 4th of July, which I hate under the best of circumstances.
Our country elected a disgusting, orange-faced, senile, debauched, insane criminal as President of the United States. And half of the country worships him and still have their flags and signs and lights out honoring him.
Dan B
@rikyrah: Chilling! Our neighbor for ten years was a wonderful black guy who would not work in the North End, whiter, end of Seattle. He was rightfully fearful of being arrested because he was not in the right neighborhood. There are probably two percent black people in the north end but that didn’t reassure our neighbor.
JWR
@Ruckus:
I hadn’t seen one until a few days ago, but it was making a left-hand turn so I missed most of it. Then a few nights later, on the same street and intersection, I saw it again, and OMG that ugly fugly headlight configuration! Does Elon think that’s what a robot’s smile looks like, or what?
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Citizen Alan: slavery is terrible for economies. We still live with the poison from ours below the Mason Dixon* line. That poison reveals itself in higher maternal mortality, lower life expectancy, higher crime rates and lower wages. Slavery sucks for human beings just as Thomas Jefferson said (before he, too, succumbed to the poison).
*Bizarre that a jolly, brilliant Quaker, Jeremiah Dixon should find his legacy as a stand-in name for the fascist antebellum south!
HopefullyNotcassandra
@JaySinWa: new and unique manner better suited for Fox false propagandizing?
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Archon: the gop mucus bubble is truly thick enough for that to be true. Let us hope that gop mucus has not ensnared more of our neighbors. It is insidious.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@zhena gogolia: not half. Many of us did not vote. Many of us never vote too.
JBWoodford
@Archon: Early in Trump’s first term, when Twitter was still the Good Bird Site, Alexandra Erin observed there that in general fascists will never show uncertainty–will never *not* act as though their victory is assured. IME that’s true, so I don’t see Trump et al’s behavior as indicative of a cunning plan. I mean, they may have a plan, but this is how they’d be acting either way.
Geminid
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I don’t get around much and that’s the only Rivian I’ve spotted. I saw it at the Hunt Country Store, six miles west of Charlottesville.
It was funny watching the Rivian navigate a speedbump. That driver slo-o-wly eased over it like he had a precious Ming vase in back. Must have been new.
Splitting Image
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I wasn’t thinking of Mamdani running for President in a couple of years, so much as what the James Carville types who have been sandbagging Mamdani are doing behind the scenes to make sure that someone like Andrew Cuomo or Joe Manchin (i.e. the most conservative white guy available) gets the nomination.
What the Democrats need is the most progressive candidate who can win. I don’t think it will pay to think too much about what sort of person is most likely to win until people start stepping up to run.
Remember back in 2008, the top three candidates were Obama, Clinton, and John Edwards. On paper, Edwards was obviously the most electable of the three because he was a white guy. But he had a nasty scandal waiting to be uncovered, and was probably the only one of the three who would have lost to McCain.
Obama was the riskiest candidate but had the highest ceiling.
Miss Bianca
@Splitting Image: On the whole, I find myself wishing sometimes that Obama had waited, put in a few more years in the Senate, and that we could have had a President Hillary Clinton. But…then again, I remember what a shot in the arm he was as a candidate and what a good POTUS he was, and I can’t honestly repine.
dnfree
@Miss Bianca: Then we might never have had President Obama. Timing is everything. Obama discussed with his colleague Dick Durbin whether he should wait, and Durbin told him not to.
mrmoshpotato
Can’t these two assholes settle their differences with a slapfight aboard a rocket to Mars?
Shalimar
@Another Scott:
She is not this stupid. She knows the House will make the bill worse. She just doesn’t care now that she thinks she has avoided responsibility for her vote.
WTFGhost
@Miss Bianca: That sounds fair.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: well, even a gored ox sometimes squeals in anger.
@Steve LaBonne: “Dear Pepperidge Farms; have you ever considered applying your techniques to the disposal of toxic waste? Please don’t laugh.”
@Ruckus: Honestly, that’s one of the things that would suck about winning the lottery. I’d never know precisely what a friend *was* before I couldn’t even express who they *were*.
@Soprano2: We thought about the old expression, lie down with dogs, get up with fleas, and thought better of expanding our coalition in his singular direction.
(Okay, this is too many responses, but I think you get the spirit of things.)
WTFGhost
@HopefullyNotcassandra: Do remember, if you can point to sufficient ick, people might realize they’ve got some of that mucus on them, and start trying to extricate themselves. Remember, we’re in tariff purgatory right now – “ninety deals in ninety days,” “No one knew world trade could be so complicated. I want to just set the rate they pay, period.”
@JWR: I think it’s intended to be intimidating, to which I think “Go for it, em-effer, front and side airbags, crumple zones, and my team of lawyers will literally curb stomp yours.” It really does make driving feel a bit less friendly. They should put Optimus Prime’s face on them all, to make it friendly. And emphasize how it’s, you know… well, I wouldn’t say it, but lots of people are saying, I imagine…
@JaySinWa: The good news is, it might end up pulling in the fascist right, because such a small party is so easy to take over. (I believe that’s how the reform party eventually met its end… unless it’s still alive, which, whew.
@WaterGirl: Ow, wow, man which totally means I might both have commented, and not have commented, which is just so trippy right now.
I’m closing this browser window. A mild excess of THC is causing extended verbosity.
Gloria DryGarden
Naming this day July fools’ day, or senate fools’ day.
because they recounted votes, arranged who could afford a no, arranged a tie breaker, and voted in this heinous destructive bill.
apostrophe carefully placed, for clarity.
Paul in KY
@Belafon: Understand.
Paul in KY
@Splitting Image: Andrew Fucking Cuomo would still be miles better than the thing that infests it now.
Paul in KY
@Shakti: In a close election, as in 2016 and 2024, their numbers can be significant.
Paul in KY
@Miss Bianca: If she had ‘principles’, she’d caucus with the Dems.
WTFGhost
@Gloria DryGarden: I prefer “Jeweled Lie” for “ju- ly.”