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Independence Day

by WaterGirl|  July 4, 20259:42 am| 90 Comments

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h/t Jackie

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    1. 1.

      SW

      July 4, 2025 at 9:54 am

      As bad as things are, the past was worse.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Deputinize America

      July 4, 2025 at 9:58 am

      On the good side, Falangist/Fascist governments in the West have historically seemed to make massive shifts once the Maximum Leaders die. Hopefully, this results in disgust at the groveling underlings. I pray I live long enough to see it.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      New Deal democrat

      July 4, 2025 at 10:00 am

      The state of the American Republic on July 4, 2025

      From the Declaration of Independence:

      When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the options of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

      The history of the present King … is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

      He has refused his Assent to Laws…

      He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners …

      He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance…

      He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures…

      For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world…

      For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury…

      For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences….

      In the past year, the Supreme Court has declared:

      That the President is a de facto King, above the law.

      That the President’s abolition of birthright citizenship can stand unrestrained.

      That the President may arrest and deport people to any third country willing to take them, without any due process.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      pat

      July 4, 2025 at 10:08 am

      @New Deal democrat:

      Wow.  trump has the Declaration of Independence on the wall as a to-do list.  Looks like he’s accomplishing a lot…

      Reply
    5. 5.

      WTFGhost

      July 4, 2025 at 10:08 am

      Don’t get sad. Get angry, and get even. You don’t fight evil with weeping.

      Wanna know how I live? Well, sometimes, like Banner says, “I’m always angry,” because that’s the only way to keep the energy flowing, is, adrenaline. “Come on you maggot! You call that a response letter? BETTER SHORTER FASTER! COME ON!”

      “You clean up the dishes in that sink this instant, you hear me?” I scream, and if I were a child being screamed at, I’d probably throw a tantrum, because I’m so tired I just want to do that anyway, but, there’s no grown-up who will clean that disgusting sink out, so, I have to, tantrum free.

      “Don’t you DARE FORGET that the REPUBLICANS WILL KILL PEOPLE HAPPILY! They will HIGH FIVE each other, while *killing* people, in some of the worst ways possible! NEVER forget those smug, sanctimonious MURDERERS, and don’t let them leave this life without justice!”

      Understanding when you can put your anger “in gear” and let it drive your actions, now, that’s tricky. That’s how you had some old Type A personalities. “Type A” means “ANGRY” – they bark out orders, never thank subordinates, scream when something is what they *asked* for, but isn’t *right*, etc.. And, sometimes, those angry people get better results in the short term, though in most cases, you can find better ways to get those same results without all the performative anger. (And if it’s not performative, wow, that’s not very popular-making behavior, screaming at subordinates, staying angry and cussing out the wait-staff, etc..)

      But you don’t need to do that. Sometimes, you can say “EVIL people did this, and I will not grieve, until the battle is won!” and let your anger rise, and turn into rage (stored up anger that doesn’t explode out at subordinates, etc.). Let your anger settle, and remember it… deep down inside, remember that white hot spark, right in the center, and remind yourself, “Oh, I’ll be *good* and mad when I need to be,”

      Then mourn.

      That’s effective for people who tend to mope their depression out, because better to be angry than sad, despairing, horror-struck, etc., and let that mood take over instead of anger.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      WTFGhost

      July 4, 2025 at 10:11 am

      @New Deal democrat: Ah ah ah!
      He can only deport them, WHILE THE COURTS DECIDE IF IT’S ILLEGAL TO DO SO!!!

      Then, and only then, if they decide it’s legal,  will they… uh… yeah. I mean, sure, there’s no *effective* difference, but, but they didn’t say it was OKAY, they just said he could do it, there was no threat of HARM done, but real threats of harm done if he *couldn’t*, so, sure, he can keep breaking the law, violating the constitution on the side, while they figure out if it’s legal or not.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      columbusqueen

      July 4, 2025 at 10:19 am

      I try not to give in to complete despair, but damn it’s hard. So many are not just failing to keep our republic they’re willfully throwing it away.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      trollhattan

      July 4, 2025 at 10:21 am

      What fresh hell is this? Blast email purportedly from SSA.

      Social Security Applauds Passage of Legislation Providing Historic Tax Relief for Seniors

      The Social Security Administration (SSA) is celebrating the passage of the One Big, Beautiful Bill, a landmark piece of legislation that delivers long-awaited tax relief to millions of older Americans.

      The bill ensures that nearly 90% of Social Security beneficiaries will no longer pay federal income taxes on their benefits, providing meaningful and immediate relief to seniors who have spent a lifetime contributing to our nation’s economy.

      “This is a historic step forward for America’s seniors,” said Social Security Commissioner Frank Bisignano. “For nearly 90 years, Social Security has been a cornerstone of economic security for older Americans. By significantly reducing the tax burden on benefits, this legislation reaffirms President Trump’s promise to protect Social Security and helps ensure that seniors can better enjoy the retirement they’ve earned.”

      The new law includes a provision that eliminates federal income taxes on Social Security benefits for most beneficiaries, providing relief to individuals and couples. Additionally, it provides an enhanced deduction for taxpayers aged 65 and older, ensuring that retirees can keep more of what they have earned.

      Social Security remains committed to providing timely, accurate information to the public and will continue working closely with federal partners to ensure beneficiaries understand how this legislation may affect them.

      Real? Did Dear Leader demand they send out a headpat cooing “nothing to see here, it’s all going to be even better” as they juggle a bunch of pinless Republican grenades?

      It’s all too much.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      rikyrah

      July 4, 2025 at 10:26 am

      Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊

      Reply
    10. 10.

      rikyrah

      July 4, 2025 at 10:27 am

      Happy July 4th🎆🇺🇸

      Reply
    11. 11.

      rikyrah

      July 4, 2025 at 10:28 am

      @New Deal democrat:

      Worst Court since Taney

      Reply
    12. 12.

      NotMax

      July 4, 2025 at 10:30 am

      Tuneage for today (courtesy of the good Vladimir).
      ;)

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Scout211

      July 4, 2025 at 10:31 am

      @trollhattan: That letter has been mentioned in threads downstairs and I will repost my comment from downstairs:

       

      Re: the SSA political newsletter everyone is talking about here

      My husband and I did not receive the political email via the SSA newsletter. We both have our email subscriptions set for important information about our accounts only and we are unsubscribed from the fluffy newsletter.

      I might suggest that others do that during this period of time since the fluffy email has now turned blatantly political.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      WTFGhost

      July 4, 2025 at 10:31 am

      I think Digbysblog.net speaks a bit for me:

      https://digbysblog.net/2025/07/04/no-retreat-no-surrender/

      Putting Twisted Sister first was nice – we had to have “we’re not gonna take it,” but let’s face it, the lyrics are a bit repetitive. I can’t speak for the other songs, though. For Bruce, I’d have done his live version of “How can a poor man stand such times and live?”

      Reply
    15. 15.

      trollhattan

      July 4, 2025 at 10:33 am

      @Scout211: ​
      So it’s real? Not gaudy spam?

      Reply
    16. 16.

      trnc

      July 4, 2025 at 10:34 am

      @SW: So far. Let’s see how things are going in two years.

      ETA: I don’t mean that literally, but things will def get worse.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      NotMax

      July 4, 2025 at 10:35 am

      @trollhattan

      Discussion about this downstairs last evening. Consensus was it is spam.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 10:38 am

      The way I know you guys are white (and I love ya, never doubt it!) is that you think this is new.

      Go listen to Frederick Douglass on the subject of July 4 and know that this is most certainly not new— what’s new is that white people will suffer the same things that Black people have known since before the Founding.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      prostratedragon

      July 4, 2025 at 10:38 am

      Heather Cox Richardson:

      For all the fact that the congressmen got around the sticky little problem of Black and Indigenous enslavement by defining “men” as “white men,” and for all that it never crossed their minds that women might also have rights, the Declaration of Independence was an astonishingly radical document. In a world that had been dominated by a small class of rich men for so long that most people simply accepted that they should be forever tied to their status at birth, a group of upstart legislators on the edges of a continent declared that no man was born better than any other.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      Scout211

      July 4, 2025 at 10:40 am

      @trollhattan: Yes.  It’s real.  But also too, gaudy spam, propaganda and maybe even gaslighting. But in a newsletter email from Social Security.

      At least it isn’t in the official email about our social security accounts, just in the newsletter.

      ETA:  Here is the official press release on the SSA website that many SS recipients received in their inbox.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 10:41 am

      @rikyrah: Conservatives would say “BEST court since Taney,” since they don’t really believe Dred Scott was wrong.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Baud

      July 4, 2025 at 10:42 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      rikyrah

      July 4, 2025 at 10:43 am

      The descendents of Frederick Douglass retell his famous speech:

       

      What does the 4th of July mean to the slave?

       

      https://vm.tiktok.com/ZP8h8Cev5/

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Jackie

      July 4, 2025 at 10:44 am

      Sad reminder:

      Today is the seventh anniversary of the time that eight Republican lawmakers—the Fourth of July Traitors, as I call them—celebrated Independence Day in Moscow, Russia: Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, who led the delegation, along with Senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, John Neely Kennedy of Louisiana, Steve Daines of Montana, North Dakota’s John Hoeven, Jerry Moran of Kansas, South Dakota’s John Thune, and Rep. Kay Granger of the 12th District of Texas.

      That’s right—our current Senate Majority Leader is a Fourth of July Traitor!

      For some reason the link won’t paste, but this is the opening from Greg Olear’s substack Prevail article: Ramble On: How Are You?

      It’s a long read, but worthy of the time IMHO.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      prostratedragon

      July 4, 2025 at 10:48 am

      @NotMax:
      As arranged by Igor Stravinsky, citizen:

      “The Star-Spangled Banner”

      Reply
    26. 26.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      July 4, 2025 at 10:49 am

      Since David posted the Gettysburg Address downstairs another Lincoln speech that applies is the Lyceum address. Welcome to the die by suicide part.

      At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?– Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!–All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

      At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      trollhattan

      July 4, 2025 at 10:51 am

      @Scout211: Sigh. Thanks.

      Bracing reminder “Everything Trump touches, dies.”

      Feel SO independent.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Mark

      July 4, 2025 at 10:53 am

      @trollhattan: I haven’t seen the legislation itself, but my understanding of what is going on, is that seniors 65+ will have an additional $6000 for a single filer, and $12000 for a married couple added to their standard deduction. This legislation expires in 2029.

      This will reduce the adjusted gross income, no matter the source of the income, thus lowering the tax burden for said seniors. Many of them don’t pay any income tax currently, their adjusted gross income is to low.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      MagdaInBlack

      July 4, 2025 at 10:53 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: @rikyrah: Thank you.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 10:53 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: “Challenge accepted!”- MAGA

      Reply
    31. 31.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 10:56 am

      @Mark: Not only is it meaningless to seniors trying to survive on SS alone, the 2029 expiration is a particularly cynical touch. Just gross.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Mark

      July 4, 2025 at 10:57 am

      Full retirement age is nearly 67 years of age.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Raoul Paste

      July 4, 2025 at 10:57 am

      @prostratedragon:  Fascinating.  Thanks for contributing Stravinsky‘s version

      Reply
    34. 34.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      July 4, 2025 at 11:01 am

      @rikyrah:

      Worst Court since Taney

      Reply
    35. 35.

      p.a.

      July 4, 2025 at 11:02 am

      Here’s Atrios on a complicit American “giant”

      Eugenics Daily

      by [email protected] (Atrios)

      Eschaton / 2025-07-04 09:55

      Columbia University’s applicant data was hacked by people trying to “prove” that Columbia has been admitting too many black people. The New York Times has an obsessive anti-trans health reporter who got the “scoop” – he called it a scoop, he was very proud – that Mamdani checked both Asian (he is) and African-American (he is) and furthered clarified Ugandan (he is) on his application, the “scoop” being, for racists, that he attempted to “cheat” his way into Columbia by claiming to be black. He did not get into Columbia.

      The NYT granted the source of this hacked information anonymity, despite his name being well-known, to cover up the fact that they used a Nazi eugenicist freak as a source of hacked information. The anonymity (pseudonymity, precisely) was not to protect the source, but to try to protect the rep of the Times.

      They even tried to determine whether Mamdani’s family ever intermarried with indigenous Ugandans, which somehow was important to this story of how a 17-year-old correctly checked the boxes on his form.
        There are 3 bylines on this story.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 11:04 am

      @p.a.: Whenever we think FTFNYT has hit bottom, it somehow finds a new low.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      July 4, 2025 at 11:05 am

      I had a rueful chuckle yesterday when I got an email from Talking Points Memo, in which Josh Marshall quoted President Thomas J. Whitmore. Marshall stated that the line “we will not go quietly into the night; we will not vanish without a fight” resonated a great deal with him, making a great rallying cry for a proper newsroom.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      brantl

      July 4, 2025 at 11:08 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: sometimes you’re an idiot; we don’t think this is new. We think it’s wider spread than it used to be. You really are high on your own supply.

      don’t you understand that condescension drives people away?

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Another Scott

      July 4, 2025 at 11:11 am

      @Mark:

      Full retirement age is nearly 67 years of age.

      It’s 67 for those born in 1960 and later.

      HTH!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 11:11 am

      @brantl: As they say down South, a hit dog will howl. White liberals with sensitive feefees who can so easily be “driven away” never really supported justice in the first place.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Deputinize America

      July 4, 2025 at 11:13 am

      @rikyrah:

      I’d argue that’s it’s worse than Taney’s court, because they had a verifiable example of how not to blow everything up.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      prostratedragon

      July 4, 2025 at 11:13 am

      Arranged by Bela Bartok, citizen, as part of a project at Columbia University:

      Croatian folk song

      Reply
    43. 43.

      brantl

      July 4, 2025 at 11:14 am

      @Steve LaBonne: Yep, but you’d think that the howling would die down, after a while!

      He’s constantly dragging his allies.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 11:14 am

      @brantl: No, you’re still here. And evidently not bright enough to see yourself clearly.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      brantl

      July 4, 2025 at 11:16 am

      @Steve LaBonne: back atcha, bub.

      Pied.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Sure Lurkalot

      July 4, 2025 at 11:16 am

      @Mark: The temporary, extra deduction is in lieu of Trump’s campaign “promise” to eliminate tax on SS benefits. If your AGI is over $75K, no extra deduction for you.

      At least 15% of SS income is not subject to tax currently no matter how much money you make, the less you make, the less is subject to federal income tax. And it’s true that many SS recipients living primarily off SS alone pay no tax. Some states exclude SS benefits from state income tax as well.

      So the email is an inaccurate piece of trash but too many rubes will buy into the “promises made, promises kept” bullshit that our legacy media will probably promote.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Maccheerful

      July 4, 2025 at 11:18 am

      Much of the year I live about 30 kilometers from that mural.  I have forwarded the post to some French friends.

      I don’t think enough Americans realize that although there is anti Americanism in France and the rest of the world, the great belief of the majority had been that America was a place of liberty and hope, and how comprehensivily this valuable American resource is being squandered. Like inheritees casually tossing antique furniture of the house they inherited into the trash.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 11:18 am

      @brantl: He is dragging people who pretend to be allies but desert as soon as something makes them “uncomfortable”. I left my previous UU congregation because I was sick of dealing with such people. Their “allyship” isn’t worth a bucket of warm piss.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      rikyrah

      July 4, 2025 at 11:18 am

      There are some things that can be placed at the feet of the professional malpractice of those so-called journalists.

      Who did not say, everytime a story about the abomination of that bill…

       

      To those people that have MEDICAID called something else in their State…

       

      ” MEDICAID IS CALLED THIS IN OUR STATE. IF YOU GET YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE UNDER (INSERT THE NAME), YOU ARE ON MEDICAID ”

       

      THeir unwillingness to make this clear to their viewing public, thus truly bringing it home to the low information voters…

      Phuck Them😠😠😠

       

      https://vm.tiktok.com/ZP8h8Mdvv/

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Jesse

      July 4, 2025 at 11:21 am

      What surprises me about the SSA spam mail is it highlights something I didn’t know was in the bill. Of course I’d heard about it cutting taxes for the wealthy, being fiscally irresponsible, but not this detail. The closest I’d heard was “this is a massive transfer of wealth from the young to the old”. But again, no one spelled out what that meant. And I follow a fair amount of political news.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Sure Lurkalot

      July 4, 2025 at 11:24 am

      @Jackie: To Russia with Love. Best legislators money can buy bought.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Mark

      July 4, 2025 at 11:30 am

      The little woman and I are both collecting SS. Our AGI is well above the $75K threshold. I’m still working full time. This issue about SS got me to thinking.

      Trump promised no income tax on OT. Is that going to be subject to income limits also? Is there anything about no income tax for OT in the BBB?

      Inquiring minds want to know.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      New Deal democrat

      July 4, 2025 at 11:31 am

      @p.a.: And as you probably already know, Jamelle Bouie apparently had his job threatened for posting notes on Bluesky critical of the article, so he had to delete them.

      But in the meantime, someone took screenshots. Here is a link to Bouie’s now-deleted posts:

      https://bsky.app/profile/purplechrain.bsky.social/post/3lt4b37qhtc2a

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 11:34 am

      @New Deal democrat: He needs to follow Krugman out the door.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      WTFGhost

      July 4, 2025 at 11:35 am

      @brantl: While I sometimes find Prof Bigfoot a bit abrasive, I don’t know that I’ve seen him as condescending.

      Today, reading his comment, I had a bit of a flashback to a skit about people who were reacting to Trump’s 2016 win, saying things (in the presence of two Black people) like “electing Trump is the most shameful thing America has ever done!” Well… no, actually, we’ve done a lot more that’s more shameful.

      And listen: a lot of people who aren’t racist just don’t understand how *toxic* racism is, and how there are some people who believe in the Dred Scott decision, including “And then Cain found the people of Nob (or whatever dumbass name they invented for the legend) and had non-human descendants, so it’s okay to grab one, rape her to death, eat her, then sew her skins into your clothes, if you felt like it, and paid for her, and the slaver would say with a wink, “and you doesn’t have to do it in that order, you know!”

      There are people who seriously think “wow, if slavery were legal, I might own a couple!” as if slavery weren’t constant terroristic violence that would stain your soul just for considering the matter.

      And sometimes, those people help pass legislation, thinking of millions of people as “waste, fraud, and abuse.” If we think “they’ll do the right thing, if informed,” we’re wrong. They need to be forced.

      I feel the prof is doing his reminding in an occasionally awkward and embarrassing (to my sensibilities) manner, but I find him more prodding, than condescending. (And yes, he sometimes prods a sore spot on *me* too! Hence, I call him hard, hard enough to be abrasive, but again… that’s not a bad thing, it’s just “a” thing.)

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    56. 56.

      Baud

      July 4, 2025 at 11:35 am

      @p.a.:

      I can’t believe the Clinton Cash/ButHerEmails/BidenIsOld newspaper would do that.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      WaterGirl

      July 4, 2025 at 11:35 am

      @Scout211: That’s disgusting.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      NotMax

      July 4, 2025 at 11:37 am

      @Jackie

      Can avoid jet lag now by traveling to Mar-a-Moscow.
      //

      Reply
    59. 59.

      WaterGirl

      July 4, 2025 at 11:38 am

      @Mark:

      They say it will help 90% of seniors.

      So let me guess, the 10% of the people who won’t benefit from that change are the ones who it might actually help – the ones that are actually earning more money.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      July 4, 2025 at 11:40 am

      @Sure Lurkalot: ​
       

      Just ask Hick and his crypto backers.

      On second thought, you said “best legislators” and that term and “John Hickenlooper” don’t typically occur in the same sentence.

      I’ll come in again.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 11:41 am

      @WTFGhost: When we discover a spot that’s sore when prodded, that’s exactly the spot we need to work on.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 11:49 am

      @brantl: May I invite you to go fuck yourself, white man?

      Thank you.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 11:50 am

      @Steve LaBonne: Another example of the Bigfoot Dictum:

      ”There is no horseshoe. There is only white people who are at best uncomfortable with any power being held in Black hands. Those white people are at all points of the ‘left-right’ spectrum.”

      Even down to the power of a Black man to speak his fucking mind on a blog.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      WTFGhost

      July 4, 2025 at 11:55 am

      @New Deal democrat:

      Well, and: is he violating immigration law? Yes, so, check.
      He hasn’t refused assent to laws, but he’s refused to *obey* the law, nor to force his allies to do so. Check.

      He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance…

      He’s not quartering soldiers, but he’s sending our swarms to harass our people.

       

      He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures…

      “Hi, California, we’re nationalizing your National Guard unit! Also, bringing in the Marines!”

      For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world…

      Tariffs, the most beautiful word in the English language

      For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury…

      If you’re a migrant, you’re S-O-L.

      For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences….

      He doesn’t do *that*. He just sends them to be imprisoned, sans trial.

      Just sayin’.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      WTFGhost

      July 4, 2025 at 11:57 am

      @Steve LaBonne: Yes, and sometimes, you need some abrasive to scrape off some callus to feel things.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Jesse

      July 4, 2025 at 11:57 am

      As I was thinking over this SSA thing (which I think was a campaign promise of Trump’s?) I was startled when the thought occurred to me that maybe the SSA is lying. If your tax bill next year doesn’t go down, you can chalk it up to that 10% who aren’t affected by the change. Or rationalize it sone other way (e.g., I guess they’re behind, maybe the law didn’t go into effect yet, etc.).

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 12:00 pm

      @Steve LaBonne: Part of why I love this place and all the cr-words here is that I too, get a prod sometimes.

      Like learning the actual way white families interact and understanding that the racists, when confronted by their families, simply go underground but never change their attitudes.

      I was like, “well, damn… THAT sucks,” and have put that particular soapbox away. 😉

      I haven’t been denounced for being sexist recently so I have to hope I’m being successful in being a true ally (‘cause it ain’t for me to judge, it’s for the women in my world to judge).

      Reply
    68. 68.

      lowtechcyclist

      July 4, 2025 at 12:01 pm

      @brantl: 🙄🙄🙄🙄

      And more

      🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

      Reply
    69. 69.

      lowtechcyclist

      July 4, 2025 at 12:04 pm

      @brantl:

      It’s always amusing when the bozos pie the worthwhile commenters. 😄

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Matt McIrvin

      July 4, 2025 at 12:08 pm

      @brantl: He’s more right than wrong. The one point I wonder about is his consistent characterization of the Democratic Party-skeptic left as a white-supremacist phenomenon, while elsewhere I’m reading Black leftists describing liberal party loyalty as a white-supremacist phenomenon.

      I suspect the deal is, it’s actually more generational and by pure statistics the plurality of people on both sides are white, and of course that conditions everything–you can characterize it both ways with some justification. Intersectionality, as they say, is hard.

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    71. 71.

      New Deal democrat

      July 4, 2025 at 12:09 pm

      @WTFGhost:

      He has erected a multitude of New Offices

      I was thinking of DOGE with that one.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      WTFGhost

      July 4, 2025 at 12:12 pm

      @New Deal democrat: Point!

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Thor Heyerdahl

      July 4, 2025 at 12:13 pm

      @Deputinize America: On the good side, Falangist/Fascist governments in the West have historically seemed to make massive shifts once the Maximum Leaders die. Hopefully, this results in disgust at the groveling underlings. I pray I live long enough to see it.

      I keep thinking of this scene from “The Death of Stalin” of what the Whitehouse inner circle may look like when Trump dies.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Ruckus

      July 4, 2025 at 12:23 pm

      @SW:

      Exactly why rethuglicans only have one gear, reverse. They want to go back to a time when supposedly a few had everything and everyone else had jack and s_ _ _.

      I know I am getting down to the crude side, but I am describing current day republicans – “If I can’t have it all then no one else can have anything!” Current day monarchies do better. Hell, some current day dictators do better.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      RevRick

      July 4, 2025 at 12:38 pm

      @rikyrah: Through much of its history the Supreme Court has sucked. Let’s not forget Plessy or Lockner.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Chetan Murthy

      July 4, 2025 at 12:39 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot: @rikyrah: I take your interventions seriously, and recognize their importance and relevance.  But …. I feel like this country has become a thing it was not before.  Maybe because I was the child of a doctor, and because I had a high-status career, I was just insulated from the reality.  But it sure feels like something important has changed.

      I can fully understand the response that you might make, which is that Black people have always seen America this way, even the first Black billionaire can be treated like chopped liver on the plate (as I remember happened to Bob Johnson https://www.newsweek.com/bob-johnson-accuses-hotel-racial-profiling-after-billionaire-refused-access-1104006 ).  In the South, I felt the kind of fear that today I feel even here in San Francisco.  And it’s new, here in SF.  I was talking with my sister a few days ago, and she reminded me that she’d lived in Philly, NYC, Boston, DC, and SF, and until she got to SF, she’d never felt safety.  And I have to say, I had the same experience: it was only after about 5yr here, that I realized, one day, that I felt safe, and safe in my skin here.

      And that’s gone now.  I cannot get Mr. Abrego Garcia’s experience out of my head, and I literally read two sentences about it — I avoided reading any long-form article, b/c I don’t need that sort of porn floating around in head: it’s bad enough already.

      Again, I know that Black Americans have had to live with this for centuries, that they pass down the knowledge of this oppression and the things one must do to try to minimize it, from parent to child.  I know this.  But it doesn’t help.

      In my heart, I feel like America is telling me “we don’t want you here”.  And honestly, given that they’re backing it up with ICE and CECOT, I’m not inclined to dispute them.

      Last year I donated a ton of money to political causes — about the same as I spend on living expenses (rent, insurance, food, everything) for the year.  But now, I feel like, I have no desire to engage with America, with America’s political system, until after I’ve left.  Until I’m no longer within reach of ICE and CECOT.

      In November, right after the election, I was distraught.  I had scheduled doctor’s appointments for that week, b/c I knew that the election would be decided, and I could thus make decisions.  I’d decided that if the election went south, I would emigrate.  I went to see my doctor, and he was so concerned at how distraught I was, that he insisted I return a month later; I suspect he was worried about self-harm.  I ended up not having, b/c I wasn’t thru with the grieving.  I guess I’m not thru even now, but in the ensuing eight months, what was grief and distress at leaving, as turned into regret that I didn’t leave in January.

      I don’t know why I’m writing all this down.  I can’t get what happened to Mr. Abrego Garcia out of my mind.

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    77. 77.

      NotMax

      July 4, 2025 at 12:43 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot

      You might find this entertaining. Jean Shepherd’s perspective about the 1963 March on Washington.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 12:47 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:Democratic Party-skeptic left as a white-supremacist phenomenon, while elsewhere I’m reading Black leftists describing liberal party loyalty as a white-supremacist phenomenon.

      Black leftists like Oliver Willis?

      Anyway, what I see, and plainly we travel in different circles, that it seems to consistently be white men complaining about the “fecklessness” and “uselessness” of the Democratic Party; and that the leadership of said party is largely Black or Jewish or female and often combinations thereof.

      One must draw ones own conclusions, of course but those are facts.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 12:51 pm

      @Thor Heyerdahl: Thank you.

      I just guffawed so hard I started coughing, and the people on the neighbor’s porch turned to see if I was about to die.

      Bwahahahahaaa!

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Professor Bigfoot

      July 4, 2025 at 12:57 pm

      @Chetan Murthy: My man, I say this with all love— get the fuck out of here.

      We’ve all discussed more than once how they’ve used Nazi rhetoric, created Nazi policies, and threatened Nazi violence.

      America, having elected Nazis, is on its way to doing Nazi shit.

      Me, I got nowhere else to go; I can only trace my family to the people who owned my great grandfather, so I’m resolved to dying here.

      Get the fuck outta here, and survive the storm that’s coming.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      jame

      July 4, 2025 at 12:57 pm

      Geez, how many fingers does that Lady Liberty have?

      I think we all got the SSA email.

      I missed the Fourth of July parade here this morning; it was moved up to 9 AM and I had ducks to treat for bumblefoot (funny name, but serious problem).

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Matt McIrvin

      July 4, 2025 at 1:12 pm

      @Deputinize America: I keep thinking of North Korea, where they managed to parlay it into a effective monarchic dynasty, with the founder persisting as a mythic figure (“Eternal President”) long after his death. Can they manage that? The DPRK manages it in part because China is propping them up to put off the deluge that happens on their doorstep when it all falls in.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Chetan Murthy

      July 4, 2025 at 1:13 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot: I hear you, and I take your exhortation in the spirit with which it is given.  Be well, and thank you.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Matt McIrvin

      July 4, 2025 at 1:31 pm

      (The current Chinese leadership, meanwhile, realizes that you can keep hardcore authoritarianism going indefinitely if you seem broadly competent at maintaining the general welfare and don’t immiserate too many of the people. These aren’t the types running the US.)

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 1:32 pm

      @Chetan Murthy: Good luck with whatever course you take, and be well and safe. I am slightly less white than a ghost but if I were younger I would be tempted to fuck off to Ireland (where two of my grandparents were born). But I’m too old and tired to start over so I will die here. Luckily I am still young enough to be virtually sure to outlive Trump so at least I’ll have that pleasure.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Steve LaBonne

      July 4, 2025 at 1:33 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: And the US has erected a big flashing red sign that says “Democracy Is A Scam”.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Matt McIrvin

      July 4, 2025 at 1:35 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot: Well, or in the worst cases, the non-racists go underground, because they’re hopelessly outnumbered. Or there’s just a schism followed by non-communication.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Matt McIrvin

      July 4, 2025 at 1:37 pm

      @Steve LaBonne: Yes, well, the Soviet Union got maximum mileage out of Jim Crow government exposing American liberal democracy as a lie. There’s precedent here.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      dnfree

      July 4, 2025 at 8:58 pm

      @WaterGirl: About 50% of seniors already don’t pay income tax on their social security.  So this new program can’t possibly help 90%.  Also the very lowest-income don’t even pay income tax.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      brantl

      July 4, 2025 at 10:41 pm

      @Steve LaBonne: Nope, he’s constantly coming across as holier than thou, and coming up with interpretations of behavior that suit his own prejudices about other people, that if other people were to do that to him, he would have genuine reason to complain of prejudice, or privilege.

      Reply

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