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They Have Waited Long Enough Far Too Long

by WaterGirl|  November 16, 20259:21 pm| 60 Comments

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Let’s do what we can to make sure everyone we know sees this.

NEW: Epstein survivors release the most powerful PSA I have ever seen.

Make this go viral so every member of the House of Representatives sees it.

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— Aaron Parnas (@aaronparnas.bsky.social) November 16, 2025 at 5:43 PM

When they say “there are a thousand of us”… absolutely horrifying.

Thanks to Sure Lurkalot for sending me the video.

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    1. 1.

      Scout211

      November 16, 2025 at 9:27 pm

      Powerful.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      SpaceUnit

      November 16, 2025 at 9:28 pm

      Powerful indeed.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      bbleh

      November 16, 2025 at 9:32 pm

      FWIW, this IS being shared widely from what I’ve seen.

      And just … omg.

      And I’ll add, it speaks to the whole “toxic masculinity” thing.  Good on them for that, also, too!

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Quaker in a Basement

      November 16, 2025 at 9:38 pm

      Every member of the House?

      Even Mike “I Haven’t Seen That” Johnson?

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Gloria DryGarden

      November 16, 2025 at 9:49 pm

      Thank you, SureLurkalot. And WG.

      I just finished Virginia Gs book, Nobody’s Girl. Excellent. If you’ve never been through something like that, it may be a shocking read. These womens stories are distressing to hear. But silencing them is not ok.

      it’s important for everyone to get a deeper grasp on how profoundly this abuse affects its victims. It’s important to recognize the survivors. For what they live with, and go through, for all the times and ways they (we) have been brave, and overcome a difficult and stormy internal environment, for all the ways we manage to create safety again.
      When you read this book, you get an inkling of it.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      TS

      November 16, 2025 at 9:50 pm

      I read in the Australian press

      US President Donald Trump has called on his fellow Republicans in Congress to vote for the release of files related to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

      So have the files been sanitized to remove all mention of trump? – or ??

      Reply
    7. 7.

      cmorenc

      November 16, 2025 at 9:55 pm

      @TS:

      So have the files been sanitized to remove all mention of trump? – or ??

      This possibility is very concerning, since it’s been reported that Patel dispatched a batallion of FBI agents to comb through the files for mentions of Trump.  Are there means whereby any expunctions to remove references to Trump or other GOP figures and skew the remaining references to mentions of Democratic figures?

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Another Scott

      November 16, 2025 at 9:59 pm

      @TS: I’m not seeing that in any US media yet.

      memeorandum.com/river

      lite.cnn.com/

      ???

      [eta:] Ok see #9 from Scout211 below.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Scout211

      November 16, 2025 at 9:59 pm

      @TS: Breaking news on AP

      WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump said House Republicans should vote to release files involving the Jeffrey Epstein case, a startling reversal after previously fighting the proposal.

      “We have nothing to hide, and it’s time to move on from this Democrat Hoax perpetrated by Radical Left Lunatics in order to deflect from the Great Success of the Republican Party,” Trump wrote on social media shortly after landing at Joint Base Andrews following a weekend in Florida.

      Democrats and some Republicans have been pushing a measure that would force the Justice Department to make public more documents from the case.

      The president’s shift is an implicit acknowledgement that supporters of the measure have enough votes to pass the House, although it has an unclear future in the Senate.

      And probably means that Thune has guaranteed him that the legislation will not be brought to the Senate floor or at least slow-walked.

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    10. 10.

      Another Scott

      November 16, 2025 at 10:02 pm

      @Scout211: Yeah, there’s some sort of scheme afoot.

      He could, after all, direct the DoJ to release the files himself.  He doesn’t have to wait for Congress to tell him to do so…

      Grr…

      Thanks.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      cmorenc

      November 16, 2025 at 10:05 pm

      @Scout211:

      And probably means that Thune has guaranteed him that the legislation will not be brought to the Senate floor or slow-walked.

      Probably so, but the public pressure that forced Johnson and enough GOP House members to allow release will very quickly be transferred to balky GOP Senators and leadership, with the difference that 2/3 of the Senate won’t be under the immediate pressure of facing election in 2026

      The game Trump and Bondi may be playing with investigating the possible involvement of D figures in the Epstein files is to put any Ds mentioned in the files in the hot spotlight first, to try to dilute the impact on any revelations of GOP figures as they drip out later.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Belafon

      November 16, 2025 at 10:10 pm

      @Another Scott: It’ll also require SNAP to be ended.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Belafon

      November 16, 2025 at 10:11 pm

      I wish I could find a non-bsky link to it.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Another Scott

      November 16, 2025 at 10:14 pm

      Here’s the text of the House bill – HRes 581:

      […]

      “SECTION 1. Short title.

      “This Act may be cited as the ‘Epstein Files Transparency Act’.

      “SEC. 2. Release of documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein.

      “(a) In general.—Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall, subject to subsection (b), make publicly available in a searchable and downloadable format all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in the possession of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Attorneys’ Offices, that relate to:

      “(1) Jeffrey Epstein including all investigations, prosecutions, or custodial matters.

      “(2) Ghislaine Maxwell.

      “(3) Flight logs or travel records, including but not limited to manifests, itineraries, pilot records, and customs or immigration documentation, for any aircraft, vessel, or vehicle owned, operated, or used by Jeffrey Epstein or any related entity.

      “(4) Individuals, including government officials, named or referenced in connection with Epstein’s criminal activities, civil settlements, immunity or plea agreements, or investigatory proceedings.

      “(5) Entities (corporate, nonprofit, academic, or governmental) with known or alleged ties to Epstein’s trafficking or financial networks.

      “(6) Any immunity deals, non-prosecution agreements, plea bargains, or sealed settlements involving Epstein or his associates.

      “(7) Internal DOJ communications, including emails, memos, meeting notes, concerning decisions to charge, not charge, investigate, or decline to investigate Epstein or his associates.

      “(8) All communications, memoranda, directives, logs, or metadata concerning the destruction, deletion, alteration, misplacement, or concealment of documents, recordings, or electronic data related to Epstein, his associates, his detention and death, or any investigative files.

      “(9) Documentation of Epstein’s detention or death, including incident reports, witness interviews, medical examiner files, autopsy reports, and written records detailing the circumstances and cause of death.

      “(b) Prohibited grounds for withholding.—No record shall be withheld, delayed, or redacted on the basis of any of the following:

      “(1) Embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary.

      “(c) Permitted withholdings.—

      “(1) The Attorney General may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that—

      “(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims’ personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

      “(B) depicts or contains child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 2252–2252A;

      “(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;

      “(D) depicts or contains images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person; or

      “(E) contain information specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.

      “(2) All redactions must be accompanied by a written justification published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress.

      “(3) To the extent that any covered information would otherwise be redacted or withheld as classified information under this section, the Attorney General shall declassify that classified information to the maximum extent possible.

      “(A). If the Attorney General makes a determination that covered information may not be declassified and made available in a manner that protects the national security of the United States, including methods or sources related to national security, the Attorney General shall release an unclassified summary for each of the redacted or withheld classified information.

      “(4) All decisions to classify any covered information after July 1, 2025 shall be published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress, including the date of classification, the identity of the classifying authority, and an unclassified summary of the justification.

      “SEC. 3. Report to Congress.

      “Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

      “(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

      “(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

      “(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1).”.

      (Emphasis added.)

      Watch what they try to withhold, and how forthcoming they are on trying to hide embarrassing stuff…

      (Of course, this line of thought depends on the House and Senate passing it with veto-proof margins, which seems to be a very high bar at the moment.)

      Grr…

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      prostratedragon

      November 16, 2025 at 10:14 pm

      Guess the rumblings in response to the video are pretty strong.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Scout211

      November 16, 2025 at 10:18 pm

      @Belafon: I wish I could find a non-bsky link to it.

      Here’s an Instagram

      Here’s the World Without Exploitation original.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      WaterGirl

      November 16, 2025 at 10:19 pm

      @Belafon: YouTube?

      Reply
    18. 18.

      prostratedragon

      November 16, 2025 at 10:24 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      US News

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Shalimar

      November 16, 2025 at 10:30 pm

      @cmorenc: They can try to sanitize the files, but all the people involved will have had access to the uncorrupted versions and any of them can drip the damage out slowly and make it far worse for Trump.  There has already been a massive coverup.  Covering up the coverup will come out.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      Another Scott

      November 16, 2025 at 10:31 pm

      Angry [Staffer] has some thoughts…

      Angry
      ‪@angrystaffer.bsky.social‬

      To be clear: Trump is only calling for the GOP to release the Epstein files because he was told he’s about to lose 150+ republicans on this vote.

      [ image ]

      November 16, 2025 at 10:10 PM

      Could be!

      Forward!!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Baud

      November 16, 2025 at 10:33 pm

      Inside DOJ

      Find “Donald Trump”

      Replace with “Bill Clinton”

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Jackie

      November 16, 2025 at 10:34 pm

      @Quaker in a Basement:

      Every member of the House?

      Even Mike “I Haven’t Seen That” Johnson?

      Especially him! Tie him in a chair and tape his eyes open and make him watch on a loop. Over and over.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Marleedog

      November 16, 2025 at 10:40 pm

      @Jackie:

      Especially him! Tie him in a chair and tape his eyes open and make him watch on a loop. Over and over.

      He would still lie about it.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      TS

      November 16, 2025 at 10:43 pm

      @Another Scott:

      I also found it buried under a different heading on WaPo – but I had to search.  And as I typed they changed the headline

      washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/11/16/house-epstein-discharge-petition-trump/

      In shift, Trump says House should vote to release Epstein files

      The Post has become such an apologist for trump, they put the GOP slant on every article and opinion published.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      Other MJS

      November 16, 2025 at 10:44 pm

      Here’s the YouTube:
      youtube.com/watch?v=FEz_Yoa1QCE

      There’s a Facebook World Without Exploitation page from which you can share.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Jay

      November 16, 2025 at 10:45 pm

      The “game” is pretty simple.

      The DOJ announced, (on DJTdiot’s orderz) a new investigation into the Trump – Epstein Files yesterday.

      DJTdiot calls, late today, for a release of the Trump-Epstein files, as pressure mounts, MAGA divides, QAnon changes tack and ReThugs decide it they want the “Pedo Protector” label.

      On Monday, it will be announced, that because of an open “DOJ “Investigation””, the Trump-Epstein Files can’t be released.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      TS

      November 16, 2025 at 10:46 pm

      @Baud:  That may well be the truth of the matter.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Archon

      November 16, 2025 at 10:46 pm

      Yeah as others upthread have stated I think Trump has been told that its going to pass the House and most likely the senate too.

      The endgame is likely a veto or a highly redacted release with all names edited out.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Jackie

      November 16, 2025 at 10:56 pm

      I hope our brave heroines come out the winners and shame Congress into ferreting out the truth. Democrats have already said tell the truth. Including any Democrats involved. It’s more than time these women are vindicated. We owe them closure.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      YY_Sima Qian

      November 16, 2025 at 10:57 pm

      Ughh… (gift link to FT article below):

      Far right poised to win Chile’s presidency

      Voters overwhelmingly back conservative candidates in first round amid concerns over crime and immigration

      Ciara Nugent in Buenos Aires Published3 HOURS AGO Updated 09:59

      Veteran far-right politician José Antonio Kast is the favourite to win Chile’s presidency after 70 per cent of voters backed right-leaning candidates in a first-round election, sending him into a run-off against a Communist rival next month.

      …

      A Kast victory would mark a sharp change in direction for Chile, six years after mass protests over inadequate public services and high living costs powered the election of current leftwing president Gabriel Boric, who is constitutionally barred from seeking a second consecutive term.

      Boric’s efforts at social reforms to combat inequality have been eclipsed by an unprecedented wave of organised crime, as gangs from Venezuela and elsewhere arrived in Chile in recent years. Pollsters say crime and immigration, which has surged during Venezuela’s economic collapse, were voters’ top concerns.

      …

      I hope Chile does not get another Milei or Bolsonaro, friendly w/ MAGA. Then again, LATAM countries do seem to swing wildly between Left & Right from election to election.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      prostratedragon

      November 16, 2025 at 11:07 pm

      Related:

      New paper reminds us yet again: HOMICIDE is the leading cause of death for pregnant women.

      Gun violence & partner violence are related.

      All-cause homicide & firearm homicide of pregnant women are higher, in states w/ higher calculated firearm ownership (1/x 🧵

      jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2841181

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Baud

      November 16, 2025 at 11:09 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian:

      I blame the DNC.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Baud

      November 16, 2025 at 11:09 pm

      @Archon:

      Agreed. This way, he can lie and say he didn’t lose.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Baud

      November 16, 2025 at 11:10 pm

      @TS:

      In shift,

       

      Not a flip flop, like Dems do.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      NotMax

      November 16, 2025 at 11:12 pm

      so every member of the House of Representatives sees it

      Excepting Mike “Sgt. Schultz” Johnson.
      (with appropriate apologies to John Banner) //

      Reply
    36. 36.

      cain

      November 16, 2025 at 11:14 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian: Can’t blame them. But what seems to be a consistent thing is criminal gangs. They seem to be omnipresent. I can’t help but think that we have something to do with it.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      cain

      November 16, 2025 at 11:14 pm

      @Baud: Right? It’s just a shift, not a flip flop. Fuckers.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      NotMax

      November 16, 2025 at 11:16 pm

      @Baud

      PRNDL policy.
      //

      Reply
    39. 39.

      frosty

      November 16, 2025 at 11:19 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian: Oh no, here we go again. I note that Chile’s problems are exactly the ones the MAGAs are wailing about here: Venezuelan gangs! Immigrants!! Except it’s true for them.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Jackie

      November 16, 2025 at 11:20 pm

      Tomorrow’s news will be… interesting. I hope it doesn’t lead into a depressing week. Fingers crossed!

      Reply
    41. 41.

      YY_Sima Qian

      November 16, 2025 at 11:27 pm

      @cain: Having a failed stated in the midst (whether through misrule, economic warfare, or civil war) tends to destabilize surrounding countries, too. We’ve seen that w/ the Syrian civil war on the Levant (through to Europe), Libyan civil war on the Sahel (& to a lesser extent Southern Europe),  & now slow motion collapse of Venezuela (victim of both Chavez/Maduro misrule & US economic warfare) on South America.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Eunicecycle

      November 16, 2025 at 11:35 pm

      @cmorenc: but doesn’t that mean all these special agents have seen the evidence, too? And could, if disgusted enough, reveal what is in there?

      Reply
    43. 43.

      TS

      November 16, 2025 at 11:36 pm

      @prostratedragon:

      There have been some horrific deaths of women by their partners in the past few months in Australia. They didn’t even need guns. Saw a recent report (sorry no link, cause I can’t find it again) which said female murders are around 90% domestic violence – partner or ex partner of the woman.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Jackie

      November 16, 2025 at 11:39 pm

      Curious to know who has captured FFOTUS’s ear the last 48 hrs. First he suddenly reverses tariffs, and now wants the Epstein files released. Who is he listening to?

      Reply
    45. 45.

      prostratedragon

      November 16, 2025 at 11:50 pm

      @TS:  I know it’s a preponderance of the cases.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      SpaceUnit

      November 16, 2025 at 11:51 pm

      Anything released will not be the actual Epstein files.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      YY_Sima Qian

      November 16, 2025 at 11:52 pm

      @Jackie: Susie Wiles?

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Baud

      November 16, 2025 at 11:52 pm

      @Jackie:

      Dem voters in VA and NJ.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Jackie

      November 16, 2025 at 11:56 pm

      PSA:

      D.C.  – U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean P. Duffy and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator Bryan Bedford today announced that the agency’s flight reduction emergency order will be terminated on Monday, November 17 at 6 a.m. This means normal operations can resume across the National Airspace System (NAS).

      FAA.gov

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      November 17, 2025 at 12:00 am

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Gloria DryGarden

      November 17, 2025 at 12:24 am

      @prostratedragon: yet another risk of pregnancy…health risks that can become life and death

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Gloria DryGarden

      November 17, 2025 at 12:32 am

      @Another Scott: no later than 30 days…Dec 15th then. Happy holidays.

      Tho I had also heard that trump is starting an “investigation “ that will tie up the files again. Grr

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom

      November 17, 2025 at 12:32 am

      Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think, that the day/night 🌙 this is released, I was lurking in the reddit subs devoted to debunking the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp case, and why he is undoubtedly an abuser. As well as another sub devoted to a now infamous writer whom I used to be a fan of , whose initials are NG?

      Depp, Cosby, Epstein, Gaiman, Palmer, Justin Baldoni, Frank Herbert, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Chris Brown, it just seems to go on and on.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      prostratedragon

      November 17, 2025 at 12:40 am

      Let Spec. Agt. Cooper demonstrate.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      piratedan

      November 17, 2025 at 12:53 am

      will simply assume that the 47 admin will do what they always do with shit that illustrates his illegal acts, he’ll stall for time and wait for others to rescue him.

      unsure if he’ll be successful this time, but we’ve seen him escape before, the secrets stash in his compound in Florida, his impeachments, J6 indictments, vote tampering in Georgia, all of the New York shit…. so who am I to say if this will finally be something he can’t escape.  He does have some very powerful allies who are deeply invested in his continued dismantling of our country.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      cain

      November 17, 2025 at 1:47 am

      @YY_Sima Qian:

      Yep – I wonder htough if Mexico is next given that cartels pretty much own the mexican govt. Mostly thanks to our friends in the CIA who keep running guns.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Geminid

      November 17, 2025 at 4:30 am

      Ankara-based Clash Report reported on the victims’ video:

         Epstein survivors rrelease a video calling on Congress to release th Epstein Files.

      This was accompanied by a one minute, 18 second excerpt.

      Clash Report also had a highlight from an interview of Marjorie Taylor Greene by CNN’s Dana Bash. Greene:

      Marjorie Taylor Greene:

        I think that the right question to ask is: was Jeffrey Epstein working for Israel?

      My take is that Epstein was a freelancer working for himself, but he definitely had ties to Israelis including forme Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Greene has become a rallying point for an “America First, America Only” RepublicRan faction that is sceptcal of or downright hostile to Israel, so I’d say her assertion is smart politics.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      bluefoot

      November 17, 2025 at 9:17 am

      @prostratedragon: The first time I heard that homicide was the leading cause of death for pregnant women in the US, I was surprised and horrified. Now I am just horrified.

      I am jaded enough that I am doubtful that releasing the Epstein files will make a difference – consequences for the people who exploited these girls and women, reparations for the women, changes in attitude or law.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Gvg

      November 17, 2025 at 10:10 am

      @Jackie: Maybe this is why there are rumblings to get rid of Suzi Wiles? Not that I know if she would be for or against, just that her job is to keep things under control. I did know Trump would be harder than Reagan. He was always stupider and more spiteful, and liked surrounding himself with competing backstabbers. In fact I wonder who convinced him to hire her?

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Paul in KY

      November 17, 2025 at 11:21 am

      @Baud: C ‘Donald Trump’ ‘Bill Clinton’ ALL

      Reply

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