The newest Red State offering:
Lately, we have collectively been saying a lot of people are conservatives, the noun, when we should be saying they are conservative, the adjective. Here is a good example:
George W. Bush is not a conservative. He is conservative, but not a conservative. While Christianity has certainly always defined who George Bush is, conservatism has not. Put another way in which I think we can all agree, George W. Bush’s gut instinct is a conservative one, but the fiber of his being is not that of a conservative.
I don’t mean to pick on a President I like, but it was Rush Limbaugh in 2005, who was the first real conservative (noun) to say George W. Bush was not a conservative, but had conservative instincts.
Here is where the trouble comes in — there is no rule to separate between the two. Congressman Kevin Brady sent out a press notice yesterday that said “House conservatives,” not “House Republicans”, would hold a press conference on the debt ceiling. The congressmen involved were Steve Scalise (R-LA), Eric Cantor (R-VA), Kevin Brady (R-TX), Jim Jordan (R-OH), John Shimkus (R-IL), Jeb Hensarling (R-TX), Jack Kingston (R-GA), Mike Conaway (R-TX), John Fleming (R-LA), Eric Paulsen (R-MN), Chris Lee (R-NY), and “other House Conservatives.”
I am sure that each of these men is in some way conservative, some absolutely are conservatives, see e.g. Jeb Hensarling, but they are not all one of us. Several on the list are not by definition conservatives, but are by definition Republicans — it is the party that defines them and conservatism only describes one aspect of their being, some more than others.
I suppose we are now at the stage of the purges that the conservatives (noun or adjective, take your pick) are just a few weeks away from secret handshakes and hierarchy that most closely resembles not a political ideology, but the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.
El Cid
How about “comrade” or “fellow traveler”?
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J. Edgar Hoover’s formulation:
1. The card-carrying Communist, one who openly admits membership in the Communist party.
2. The underground Communist, one who hides his Communist party membership.
3. The Communist sympathizer, a potential Communist because of holding Communist views.
4. The fellow traveler, someone not a potential Communist but nevertheless who may hold views shared by Communists.
5. The dupes, a person who is obviously not a Communist or a potential Communist but whose views may coincide with some of the American Communists. Examples are a prominent religious leader who opposed increased military expenditures and war, or a prominent jurist who opposed Red-baiting tactics on civil liberty grounds.
John PM
I think if we replace the word “conservative” with the word “douchebag,” the whole post makes a lot more sense.
ellaesther
Oh… I see now.
The world has become a Monty Python movie. We’re living in Life of Brian!
Really, it all makes much more sense now.
jeffreyw
Defining deviancy down until it can be drowned in a pot calling a kettle “comrade”.
aimai
Oh, I get it:
“Gobble gobble gobble gobble.” That makes it a bit clearer.
aimai
Frank Murphy
It makes sense in a “Buffalo buffalo buffalo” <a href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo” kind of way. Otherwise these same people extolled the last president for years and called anyone who disagreed with them as unamerican. Didn’t that guy at Powerline write up a lovenote to Bush only a year or two ago?
Va Highlander
I think that’s most unfair to the Scottish Rite.
stevie314159
Recently, some conservatives have been showing their dangling particples.
dmsilev
So, I’m confused. Are the conservatives members of the Judean People’s Front or the People’s Front of Judea?
-dms
cleek
tis the season to seek purity
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Andrew A. Gill, SLS
Sounds like someone wants to have his cake and eat it, too.
“Now, let’s see here: If I call Bush `conservative’ but `not a conservative,’ I get to agree with all of his policies but disown the man. Plus, if I identify that there are other people who are conservative but not conservatives, anyone who screws up gets to be called `not a conservative’ and I don’t have to pay any consequences for sharing the same ideals. Perfect! Now that I’ve got that out of the way, I can finally get back to constructing a Maxwell’s Demon.”
wilfred
Politics as ontology.
What could possibly come after this?
jeffreyw
donovong
@El Cid: Damn. You beat me to it.
General Winfield Stuck
Of course George Bush was a conservative and then wasn’t. He didn’t conserve the GOP majority, and flushed the permanent wingnut majority down the White House Shitter,
tomvox1
Two words: Penis Tattoos
JasonF
Although I hate to agree — even a little — with Erick 2.0, this is actually something I’ve been thinking about of late. We use “conservative” to mean “someone who believes in low taxes, restricting acess to abortion, an aggressive foreign policy, etc., etc., etc.” but that’s not what it used to mean. It used to mean “someone who believes that change from the status quo should be cautious and incremental.”
Which is really a problem these days, because while President Obama is committed to progressive values, he has a conservative (by my second definition) approach to implementing those values. But you can’t actually call him a conservative, because that implies he wants to cut tax rates on the rich and force everyone to pray to Jesus.
russell
I think this gets filed under “No True Scotsman”.
I think they’re just getting warmed up. The fun is just beginning.
Xanthippas
I read this stuff, and it really frustrates me that we’re going to have trouble motivating some libs and progressives to vote for Democratic candidates in the mid-terms. The opposition is a joke, but we have liberals who don’t want to be liberals because some liberals are mean.
Steve M.
I call these people beard measurers.
Morbo
Cantor’s Jewish… he’s out. Chris Lee is a philanthropist… gone. The Texans: energy executive, oil executive, chamber of commerce executive… they are so in. Shimkus and Paulsen are Lutherans; they can’t be totally trusted. Jordan’s a good WEC. Georgia and Louisiana, well, those two are probably OK
mclaren
Wide stance, Cole. Wide stance! That’s how you tell it’s a real conservative.
Sly
I’ll take “Modern Examples of the No True Scotsman Fallacy” for $1000
Remember: Conservatism can’t fail. It can only be failed.
Paris
@John PM: If you replace ‘conservative’ with ‘douchebag’ then it would suggest that some of the people he lists are not douchbags. I don’t think that’s true. Chris Lee is definitely a douchebag.
My conclusion from Erick’s spiel is that conservatives abuse prescription drugs while non-club members have to be satisfied with the herb.
Frank Murphy
Sorry about the incomplete comment above – it makes sense in a “Buffalo buffalo buffalo” kind of way (look it up on wikipedia – don’t know how to link). Didn’t Powerline write a lovenote to Bush a year or two ago about the genius of Bush?
El Cid
When Bush Jr. had 90% approval ratings, he was the 2nd incarnation of Ronald Reagan on Earth, except he had the House and Senate too, so he was gonna be like Reagan II: Bigger, Louder, Dumber. And people who questioned the War President were members of Al Qa’ida, and John Kerry was some liberal fag who faked being in Vietnam and Reagan II’s fans wore purple heart bandaids to emphasize their support of the military.
When Bush Jr. had much lower approval ratings, suddenly he wasn’t a true conservative, and all the Republicans realized that they really never had supported this closet liberal, and that really it was all about the size of government and how much spending he was doing and how Bush Jr. had totally let Barney Fag run the government and give all our houses to ACORN black people thanks to Jimmy Carter.
GReynoldsCT00
That hurt just to read
and,
@stevie314159:
LOL!!
Rick Taylor
Where’s the birth certificate?
Noonan
What I can’t figure out is how Erickson is just now stumbling onto the idea that there’s a difference between being a conservative and being a Republican, because that’s really what his stupid post is about. Moron.
Ahasuerus
@aimai: See you, and raise you: Youtube link
The Moar You Know
I welcome Erick’s continued quest for true purity. It’s out there somewhere, buddy!
raptusregaliter
I await with great eagerness the post on conservative as a verb, and, perhaps, a gerund.
Rick Massimo
This is because there is no such entity as the Conservative Party. So they get to pick and choose who they call conservative, based of course on absolutely nothing but the highest principles, rigorously applied without fear or favor, and not at all about trying to make themselves look like not-morons in the face of all evidence. Also.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@raptusregaliter: The truly incredible feat will be when he creates a new preposition out of it.
The Republic of Stupidity
Shorter Red State:
AnotherBruce
These guys are beginning to sound like 1930s circa Marxists.
Honestly, I’m a little nervous about these purity purges, nothing has done more damage to humanity than a group of dedicated fanatics, religious or secular, that hew to the “one true way”.
Citizen_X
Conservative shmonservative. Wake me when the movement shrinks to the point where we can drown it in the bathtub.
SpotWeld
The short of it
“I believe whatever Rush Limabugh tells me, even when he contradicts himself. I am willing to create twisted locgic to explain this. Because… shut up, that’s why. Also”
Liberty60
@El Cid:
You hit the nail on the head; the American Right is mutating into its mirror image- the late stage Left, consumed with ideological purity, factions, factions within factions, obsessed over gaining pwoer at all costs…completely oblivious to whatever motivating ides it had long ago.
I call them conservative poseurs, because all they can do is strike poses, mouthing hoary cliches about lower taxes and strong defense, but missing the point entirely about what those things are supposed to mean.
Wiseguise
@Xanthippas: I don’t get the impression that the downtick in Democratic voter enthusiasm comes at all from people who are annoyed that some liberals and progressives are being mean [to Obama.]. Quite the opposite: it’s the impulse to punish Obama and the Dems for not being all-powerful and pure enough to match many people’s expectations of non-incremental change that has driven a large part of Dem unenthusiam… Along with more reasonable disappointmets, to-be-expected hangover, and the lack of Bush (or, for the opposition, Obama/Pelosi) as bogeyman. At least, that’s my take. 90-some percent of Dem voters are unaware of any Leaving The Left sentiment among blogwonks, while many more have some left-over sentiment that Obama was “supposed” to fix everything by now.
Remember November
Hoover’s #5 describes just about every sane person left, unable to be “duped” by Hoover’s antics.
Violet
I’ve been traveling a lot, so haven’t been around. Still, in the few times I’ve turned on the radio in the car, I’ve heard Rush Limbaugh talking about how the Democrats/Liberals are splintering, breaking apart, etc. and the Republicans are strong.
It’s like some kind of weird bizarro world to read this from Red State. I guess Limbaugh is just projecting when he’s talking about the Dems falling apart. Or wishful thinking.
Pococurante
Hey, what’s with picking on us masons!
FWIW we don’t do much of the secret handshake thing. OTOH we do so much for the community, both local and at large, that we’re easily Teh Ebbil Librulz, more liberal than the worst dreams of any dittohead.
And have been for centuries, back when public school and popular vote were pipe dreams. Though I admit we’ve been slacking since we stole Texas from Mexico.
Just sayin’, On The Level. ;-)
wasabi gasp
:conservatives
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Remember November: It described the people, not in 1-4, that would not act like sheep and just allow Hoover to do what he wanted. People who didn’t care what Hoover did, or wouldn’t interfere even if they didn’t like it, weren’t covered under 5.
Leo
Eh, isn’t this just a particular dense and obtuse way of describing the old distinction between “conservatives” and “movement conservatives”?
mistersnrub
They are sharpening their sporks. They smell blood.
thomas Levenson
Perhaps we may finally reach the Wingularity when the true conservative is defined by his endianness.
Sentient Puddle
@Frank Murphy: Or if you want to expand it out about as far as you can, “Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.”
In any case, point here being that us normal people use that phrase as a sign that using different words to convey different ideas is preferable to using the same word.
mandarama
@Xanthippas:
Don’t read the Taibbi thread below, then. Good Lord, it gives me chest pains.
slippy
@JasonF: Sorry, I don’t give Erick the Dumb a pass. He sucked Bush’s cock for 8 years and now he wants to pretend he never knew the guy?
What a loser! That’s what these folks are. Losers. Pathetic.
Legalize
It’s about dissembling and trying to deflect responsibility for the very real effects of their failed and rancid ideology.
The end.
feebog
So, according to Erick, there is a big difference between doing conservative and being conservative. I get it completely. There is also a difference between being a shithead and shitting on someones head. There is a difference between a ship of fools and shipping fools. There is a difference between waging war and the wages of war. Hey, this is fun…
Michael
As a Scottish Rite Master Mason, I’m appalled by the comparison.
Tsulagi
You’re looking at it wrong. Making sense of it is not the point. See standard bearer Palin, Sarah (R-teabagger) when she opines.
They (the true conservatives like ball and salt buying Commander EE who designs gay unit patches) can’t fail, they can’t be wrong. His post is just another of those “conservatism can’t fail, only people can fail conservatism” screeds. The commander is simply giving his troops a “I’m OK and you too good buddy, and gosh, darn it we should love ourselves” nurturing affirmation. But this time with real deep thinkering. Kind of like the product of a mind meld with Lady Sarah.
mandarama
@JasonF:
This. Thank you for stating it so succinctly. His approach is too conservative for liberals, and his agenda is too liberal for conservatives. I’ll take the agenda and hope he’s right on the approach.
The man is simultaneously a Corporate Patsy and a Socialist. He’s a weak puppet AND Hitler. He’s in league with Christianists like Rick Warren AND plans to make us all Muslim. He’s betrayed the progressive base AND destroyed America with his liberal agenda. Barack Obama, how do you do it all?
I haz a sad.
scav
um, I got stuck on the whole is virginity a noun or a verb question. Sorry. It seemed related. Soon following was the mental image of some sort of belt to protect one’s conservatism. I think that’s why I’m posting so late. Trips to the emergency room take time.
Wannabe Speechwriter
The one Jewish guy in the Republican caucus is not “one of us.” Any I reading too much into this?
wilfred
Not the best analogy. Speaking as a Marxist, at least in the sense of someone who subscribes to the dialectical model of history, there is some need to maintain ideological purity within the confines and demands of a political project. Personally, I don’t support a Marxist ‘politics’ since the advent of socialism and finally communism are supposed to occur naturally. But if you look at the travails of the British Labor Party, which Tony Blair transformed a party with a genuine committment to class struggle into an amorohous blob where Etonians and trust fund twats feel at home. Now Labor is trying to find its expression in monetarists like Gordon Brown. Labor without class struggle is a non-sequitur.
The problem with conservatives in the US is that they are also a product of the secular modernity they always denounce. Mutability made them possible in the first place – what are they except the posterity of the bourgeoisie – the first ‘new’ class?
There is no there there. Neither is there any in the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, which confuses ideology with party discipline, of which it has neither. At the end of the day they are all driven by and beholden to the capitalist world view.
The Republic of Stupidity
@AnotherBruce
Groucho? Chico?
Comrade Dread
Bullsh*t.
George Bush does not have conservative instincts, unless you gut the adjective of any traditional meaning.
Someone who is conservative by nature (not be ideology), would not automatically cast aside millennia old legal traditions and doctrines and embrace show trials, torture, and detention without any legal recourse.
Someone who is conservative by nature (not by ideology) would not be inclined to embrace increased spending indefinitely without making up the difference and trying to balance the books within a reasonable time frame.
Someone who is conservative by nature (not by ideology) would not propose trying to impose a radical change of government and ideology upon a people by force of arms and spend trillions of non-existent dollars to do so in the name of an ethereal and esoteric ideal of democracy which requires more guns and soldiers to maintain a supposedly popularly elected government.
I could go on, but what’s the point? This brain dead analysis embraces all of the nonsense of the past eight years to reaffirm the true believers, but tries to distance itself from the negative effects through sophistry to convince skeptics and independents who rightly rejected Bush and Republicans that there is something still worthwhile about conservatism as defined by the Palin/Beckian crowd.
There’s not, and there won’t be, until such time as conservatives abandon their idea of winning office back by default on the chance that Democrats screw up and engage in some critical introspection that results in a rejection of their recent past, and a return to those conservative instincts that actually try and preserve the good things about our country’s past traditions, laws, and history.
p.a.
‘fiber of his being’ bitches!!! FOHB- pronounced like fob in keyfob? or like phob in phobia? I like it. They can’t comprehend the science behind evolution or global warming, but they can see into souls.
Long live the FOHB wingers!!! (Or should that be FOTB- fiber of THEIR being? when plural)
bemused
You just can’t make any sense out of conservative gibberish. You just end up with a headache. The loyal R’s hearing this mush don’t have this problem because I don’t believe they even really listen. They just regurgitate.
R’s complained that the House health bill was too damn big & now suddenly over 2,000 pages in Senate bill is way too small. R’s sniffed that there was no need to hang around on weekends working on health care & now it is absolutely essential. And on & on.
The R base doesn’t even notice the flip flops.
The Republic of Stupidity
And here’s some they forgot to mention:
Barnum, Bailey, the Ringling Brothers, Winkin’, Blinkin’, & Nod, Tinkers, Evers, & Chance, WinkieTink, Tinkerbelle (Gay-Neverneverland), and Snap, Crackle & Pop…
Svensker
Before Dubya was “elected” the first time, when I was still a Republican, I was saying that he wasn’t a “conservative” but instead was like his Dad except dumber. Do I get a gold star from Erick?
Now that I’ve realized that Conservative=Fascist, there’s no longer a problem in classifying GWB.
Xanthippas
@mandarama
Yeah, I figured as much. I decided just to skip that for now. I know my limits.
Comrade Darkness
If what he means is Bush was all “lip-service to the noun conservative purity test de jour” and not at all actual “fiduciary responsibility as in banks should be tightly watched so they don’t fuck over the country” conservative. Then I’d have to agree. But his logic and hence writing is so circle jerk-off, who hell knows what he’s saying, let alone what he intends to say.
The Moar You Know
Bush said unto Erick son of Erick, “Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.”
The Republic of Stupidity
Or the Omegas from Animal House…
someguy
I subbed in the words “pederast” and “pedophile.” Not only did it read better but considering he’s talking about congressional Republicans there’s a good chance it injected a grain of fact into an otherwise fact-free discussion.
R-Jud
I’d try to make sense of it, Cole, but I’m not in the right frame of mind right now. And I don’t really enjoy drinking nail polish remover before banging my head on the floor all that much anyway.
TR
@dmsilev:
I was wondering how far in it would take to make that joke. I’m impressed it was handled in the top ten. Nice work.
Bunch of splitters, all of them.
shoutingattherain
@Steve M.:
Well done, Steve M. That is exactly right and works on many levels.
TR
Whoops, a reference in the top three too. Nice job, people.
CalD
This is an easy one:
Just replace “conservative” (or any variant thereof) with “right-wing-crazy” — it works equally well as a noun or an adjective — “not” with “also” and “one of us” with “crazy enough for us.” The article didn’t mention anyone who could fairly be called an actual conservative, so there should be no further confusion.
The Populist
So let me get this straight, George Bush was conservative and part of the conservative movement and now he isn’t? Isn’t that like saying Guns don’t kill people, people kill people?
SFAW
“The power of Bush compels you!
The power of Bush compels you!
THE POWER OF BUSH COMPELS YOU!!!1!!”
Later …
“WTF, are you still here Ericksdottir? I thought I exorcised your sorry, imbecilic, delusions-of-courage, clueless ass outtahere. Just sod off, will you, your poor excuse for a eunuch?”
TR
Sort of like how Larry Craig can have gay sex, but not be gay.
Remind me again — why do conservatives insist that it’s liberals who are the “relativists”?
The Republic of Stupidity
Politics as oncology…
Politics as onanism…
The Populist
Erick,
The more you people try to define who is part of your movement and who isn’t YET they share some values but not all blah blah blah means your movement will never again win shit.
He can’t define anything. NOBODY IN ANY MOVEMENT SEES THE SAME THING AS THE OTHER. I used to be a Republican. I was what they called a Goldwater conservative. I believe in balanced budgets, fiscal restraint whenever it can be done and freedom. So because I didn’t support anti-abortionists, wacko Christianists and giving the Pentagon everything it wants budgets be damned means I wasn’t one of them which is fine by me.
Now I am a lot more liberal in my viewpoints thanks to those idiots and their elitism. It’s elitist to sit here and tell somebody they aren’t one of you because they don’t agree 100%. In a free society, nobody will agree on anything 100%.
These people are fucking nuts.
The Republic of Stupidity
There… better… no?
shoutingattherain
Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?
Gum Chewer: [chewing gum] Murder… armed robbery… mayhem…
Hedley Lamarr: Wait a moment. What have you got in your mouth?
Gum Chewer: [stops chewing] Nuff’m.
Hedley Lamarr: “Nuff’m”, eh? Lyle!
Lyle: [searches the man’s mouth] Gum!
Hedley Lamarr: Chewing gum on line, eh? I hope you brought enough for everybody.
Gum Chewer: [panicked] I didn’t know there was going to be so many!
[Hedley shoots the gum chewer]
Jim: [hidden behind a rock] Boy, is he strict!
SFAW
No, it’s like saying “I have no principles nor integrity, so I’ll support whoever will stick it to those F-ing Lieberals. Until he stops being able to do that. Then I’ll find someone else. Hopefully a macho man with a codpiece, who can ravish me.”
Or perhaps he just watched “The Aliens Among Us” and got a-skeered.
Or perhaps he’s just trying to get a Section 8 out of the Red State Army.
Dave Trowbridge
It’s more likely to resemble the classic argument between the People’s Front of Judaea and the Judaean People’s Front.
David Hunt
No, that can actually make sense. It’s my understanding that “gay” means that you don’t enjoy sex with the opposite gender. Craig could simply have a penchant for nailing anything that moves and be accurate when saying he’s not gay as the definition would be too limiting…
ricky
When will you people acknowledge the strategic brilliance of the Clinton White House Deadenders stealing all the “w”s
on their way out the door?
Mike G
George W. Bush is not a conservative.
It’s funny then how conservatives gave him 90+% approval ratings throughout his presidency. Either conservatives are stupid tools who were duped or their definition of political purity is so expedient as to be meaningless.
In any case, it’s round #375349 of the Judean People’s Front denounces the People’s Front of Judea for insufficiently hating the Romans.
SFAW
Is that why he’s moving to Nantucket?
The Republic of Stupidity
Any reason it can’t be both?
ricky
@wilfred:
You pronounce yourself a “marxist” in a sense? You would have been shot along with the rest of the worthless Menshevik pussies.
SFAW
It’s both, along with a host of other dysfunctional behaviors.
Ecks
Ok everybody, new plan.
Being as we conservatives are being infiltrated by unreliables, who may have conservative instincts, but aren’t, you know, ONE OF US, we need a way to tell us apart. So we know who’s really in and who’s not. We need a permanent mark of our dedication to conservatism.
I’m thinking we can get a tattoo for the true believers. Maybe something small just on our wrist or something. I thought “9/11” at first, but we’ve moved on since then, and adjective conservatives might start copying it as a political statement, and you know those pronoun conservative wankers would be trying to copy us. So I’m thinking maybe “999”, and we could put it on our wrist facing towards ourselves so everytime we look down we’ll see “999” and know that our cause is just and free and true.
WOLVERINES!
ruemara
These words seem like english, but they don’t make any sense. Maybe English has abandoned the conservative movement and Gibberish is the language of the revolutions. Or some sort of Cheetoh stain pictograms.
Ian
O.K. Here it goes. I’m already at +6 this time of morning, but this is how I read it.
Lately, we(the self-important duechebags on this website) have collectively (not in the communist kind of way) been saying a lot of people are conservatives, the noun, when we should be saying they are conservative, the adjective. Here is a good example:
George W. Bush is not a conservative(Cuz it can only be failed). He is conservative, but not a conservative(Translation impossible). While Christianity has certainly always defined who George Bush is(not failing at everything hes done), conservatism has not(see previous memos, our adjectives and nouns cannot fail). Put another way in which I think we can all agree(We being the self-important douchebags who run Redstate), George W. Bush’s gut instinct(ya know, the one that lead the country for the past eight years) is a conservative one, but the fiber of his being is not that of a conservative(His fecal droppings were not as flawlessly perfect as Reagans).
I don’t mean to pick on a President I like(God help whoever is next, since we’ve got a built in anger), but it was Rush Limbaugh in 2005(The real preznit), who was the first real conservative (noun) to say George W. Bush (not noun) was not a conservative(noun), but had conservative instincts (contradictory to where we said he lead with his gut).
Sentient Puddle
@Ian:
Teach me, master.
Origuy
@Pococurante: @Michael: Hey, I’m down with the Masons. Y’all have some nice halls with good dance floors to rent out.
I suggest a better comparison is with Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton’s International Order of the Friendly Sons of the Raccoon.
Comrade Dread
Wouldn’t work. From my theological training, the Anti-Christ (assuming a literal interpretation) is a guy who talks a lot and brings about world peace, and only engages in overt violence against those who oppose him.
Real ‘Merican Conservatives wouldn’t stand for any of that sissified talkin’, though I’m sure more than a few of them would approve heartily of going to war with China and some of them would sign off on a Jewish genocide.
You work in Sales or Marketing, right?
Damn. I feel like a disgrace to my Irish ancestors now.
asiangrrlMN
I love this thread so much, I propose to it.
jibeaux
This is technically retarded and collectively nonsense.
El Cid
@asiangrrlMN: Yeah, but you’re just the sort of sicko who supports marriage between humans and inanimate objects or even transitory thoughts…
Mustang Bobby
Finally, the right wingers are getting around to debating something that matters: sentence construction and grammar. Given the poor performance of most of their commenters on their blogs, it’s about time they did that.
R-Jud
@El Cid: Dude, that’s so true. Marry me!
Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@asiangrrlMN: This thread loves you so much, we accept.
Ecks
@Comrade Dread:
Well that’s Rushbo, right. Smooth talkin’ guy, bringing piece to the world (== real ‘murkans), and only bringing violence to those who oppose him (== everyone else). It’s laughter and jokes and manly maniness for all us good guys!
Ecks
@Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion:
Do I hear bells?
I do, I do! And bells, the noun, just to be very clear about that!
El Cid
@R-Jud: I will not stand still and allow myself to be called transitory. I’m outta here.
R-Jud
@El Cid: Tunch will be upset. He has his bridesmaid’s dress all picked out.
asiangrrlMN
@El Cid: This is true! Marry me?
@Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion: YAY! Three times a charm!
@R-Jud: He has yet to accept my proposal, sniff, sniff.
scav
@scav: Update: Clearly, conservatism belts would have to be worn on the head to work properly.
SFAW
Actually, a neck tourniquet might be more beneficial – if not to them, then to the world. (Although it’s not clear that there’s an actual flow of blood up there.)
El Cid
@asiangrrlMN: Okay, okay, I will agree for my blog comments to marry everyone, but I reserve the right to rewrite them tomorrow.
asiangrrlMN
@El Cid: Champagne for everyone!
SFAW
Well, OK, but wouldn’t that make them … bi-textual?
asiangrrlMN
@SFAW: FTW!
Jim Pharo
Don’t know if this has been covered up-thread, but it seems like as good a chance as any to share my observation that the religious right has been thrown under the tea-bagger bus. A slightly less stupid media would be covering the story of how the tea-baggers have no use for the Dobson crowd, the previous home to the hate-filled with no other outlet.
Just like Bill Maher said of Bush back in February (“Whatever happened to George Bush? It’s like someone sprayed a can of Bush-B-Gone”), whatever happened to the religious right? Where is lazy/stupid Politico’s piece on “Dobson retrenches for new fights in Obama era”)? Where’s the anti-abortion nuts protesting the lack of even stricter rules on abortion in HCR?
It’s like Bush AND the religious right were a dream that never happened. And now all of a sudden there’s a new John Birch Society that we simply cannot stop talking about by the name of “Tea Party” or “Tea Baggers.”
I feat this memory hole of ours will be the literal death of us all…
Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@SFAW: Haw! (Snort!) Thumps desk!
Wile E. Quixote
@Erick Ericksdottir
You fool! The problem is not that we’ve been saying that people are conservative, the noun, when we should be saying that they are conservative, the adjective. The problem is that we’ve been saying that people are conservative, the verb, when we should be saying that they are conservative, the variable in the equation
Until we purge our party of people who fail to recognize this simple mathematical equation and believe that conservatives are godless, homosexual, liberal parts of speech like verbs, nouns or the godless, homosexual muslim adjectives and adverbs (Do you know who else used adjectives and adverbs! Hitler!) we are doomed to defeat!
Wile E. Quixote
@Mike G.
Why can’t they be both?
Wile E. Quixote
Damnit! I’m stuck in moderation because I dared reference Rush Limbaugh’s Oⅹyⅽontⅰn and Ⅴⅰagra consumption without qualifying the units of measurement, it’s kilograms, in case you were wondering.
El Cid
@SFAW: I prefer to think of them as poly-anaphorous.
Boots Day
I love the fact that Rush excommunicated Bush from the conservative brethren in 2005. What Bush policies became more liberal that year? None of them, except that was when Katrina exposed to all of America what an incompetent boob he was.
The teabaggers never had a problem with any specific Bush policy. They just venerated him until he proved unpopular, then cast him aside.
SFAW
Wile E @118
Dare I think it? Could this be the Unified Wingnut Theory? The Holy Grail of all things wingnutty?
Sir, I believe I will nominate you for the combined Nobel Peace Prize for Physics, Mathematics, and Psychiatry. (Because the wingnuts are nothing if not batshit insane.)
[And thanks for using “Ericksdottir”, perhaps we can start a trend.]
Ross Lincoln
I think it’s obvious that these marklars want to marklar the democratic marklar’s marklars. And that really marklars the marklars. We need to get back to the founding marklars of the marklars, as Marklar Ronald Reagan once marklared.
Dick Hertz
@Wiseguise: On the contrary, I believe that it is the fact that Obama has walked back some significant campaign promises in a manner that credibly allows him to be cast as Bush-like and really cut off a lot of enthusiasm. Go back to the telecommunications scandal, where he started off opposed to amnesty for telcos that were spying on their customers for government agencies. A 180 degree turnaround in a few months. Now the public option, and torture, and wars, and on and on. Progressives thrown under the bus at every opportunity. Secret deals with pharma and hospitals.
Add to that the disappointing behavior of many Democratic representatives and senators. Blue Dogs are a major disappointment, Baucus especially. Lieberman is an albatross.
If Obama isn’t going to push for his own agenda, and congress isn’t going to pull together to push that agenda, then are we really supposed to get excited about supporting them? If they aren’t going to do anything for average folks, or punish criminals, regulate industry in the national interest, and responsibly finance and manage our overseas wars, then aren’t the teabaggers right for the wrong reasons? I’m not proposing a Nader-like mass abstention, but don’t they have to give us a symbolic victory at least to rally around?
licensed to kill time
I challenge you to return my reply arrow, this instant! grassy ass :)