A few days back I said:
[O]nce in a while I would like to see the Democrats win on their own merits and not because the Republicans took a ten-meter triple lutz* into an empty swimming pool.
Despite positive noise from Nancy Pelosi I have seen few signs that the Democratic party has evolved from its neither-here-nor-there milquetoast campaigns of 2002 and 2004. Gingrich, Rove and DeLay didn’t clean Democratic clocks with pleasant appeals to bipartisanship and they didn’t hide from their genuinely radical policy agenda either. Like most I miss the era when Democratic and Republican staffers could drop their rifles long enough to play a collegial game of softball. But those days are gone and wishing won’t bring them back.
All of that said, I can only marvel at how badly I understated the scope of GOP self-destruction. Read this report by Stuart Rothenberg to get a sense of just how badly the last week has damaged the GOP’s already dim election prospects. People can go back and forth about how much of this meltdown falls in the leadership’s own lap, in my view Hastert blew his chance to save his skin when he turned his back on Foley’s behavior at least a year ago. In that vein Lanny Davis at TNR (via DKos) proposes that Hastert’s management could pass Exxon in the annals of all-time disasters in crisis management.
A triple lindy into an empty swimming pool doesn’t begin to describe what the GOP has done in the last week. Even if it usually ends badly, people occasionally walk away from that. This is skydiving without a parachute. Mingling with Alaskan brown bears wearing a meat hat. Russian roulette without an empty chamber. I don’t know whether a fall of this scope even has a parallel in American history. I just hope that, to borrow a phrase from Pete Hamill, the Democratic Party doesn’t wake up on third base and think that it hit a triple.
(*) That should have read “triple lindy.” I needed just one more to make my weekly quota of blown pop culture references.
Paddy O'Shea
Nice findings in today’s Newsweek Poll. Bush’s ratings have fallen to 33%, the lowest yet for this particular poll. All that 9-11 pandering sure wore off fast. But even better is how the GOP has now lost their edge on their two signature issues. On “Terror” the citizens now prefer the Democrats to the Bushies by 44% to 37%. And on “moral values” 42% to 36%.
The GOP has nothing left.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15167150/site/newsweek/
ThymeZone
I have some leftover crow in the fridge. Help yourself.
Really good on a Triscuit.
Paddy O'Shea
Great line in today’s NY Times article, “In House Races, More G.O.P. Seats Seen At Risk.”
“In the White House, aides have watched with frustration as campaign appearances by Mr. Bush, in which he hammers Democrats on national security, receive little coverage, subsumed by the Foley case.”
Poor Georgie. All that hard work out on the hustings lying his ass off, and nobody seems to care.
ThymeZone
Well, once the tipping point is reached, the more he talks, the more the people run away from what he is saying.
Like the Social Security “town hall meetings.” Every time he opened his mouth, support for his approach fell.
And like Social Security, in Iraq he has no actual plan. Just tough talk. I think he should get a lot of coverage right now. I think he is the Democrats’ best salesman.
Keith
And for the record, assuming someone held onto the Foley emails (the news aspect; CREW gave ’em to the FBI in June) to maximize effect, what of it? How many times have an Al Qaeda #3 been captured & killed right when Bush’s poll numbers are down only for there to be a small news item a few weeks later saying that the guy was actually captured weeks before the announcement? As the GOP is fond of saying, “That’s politics”. You don’t launch a new product in August.
Jess
Do we even KNOW what the Dems are doing or saying? When I can finally track down a statement or a plan proposed by a Dem, I find it’s usually a good one, but it’s just not being reported. And now yet another previously good newpaper, the LA Times, is being taken over by the right wing noise machine, with David Hiller taking over, who is a crony of Ken Starr and an active player in hard right politics. While individual journalists may lean left, when the management is committed to the right-wing cause, that’s what’s going to be covered.
(Wow, my writing ability sucks today. Well, it’s the weekend–I guess it doesn’t matter.)
Jess
LA Times takeover by right wing publisher.
Jess
Oops–that link thing didn’t work. Could someone please refresh my memory on how to create a link?
Here’s the URL for the LA Times story:
link
Tim F.
Jess,
Use the “link” button in the row of grey buttons above the posting window. Just highlight the word that you want to hyperlink, click the button and paste in the URL.
Richard Bottoms
Nice to see gay Republicans facing the reality of what they have been doing over the years: supporting their own persecutors. Set sympathy meter to zero.
Note to self: Order more popcorn.
Proud Liberal
Actually, I think that quote should be attributed to the recently departed Anne Richards. She used it against Bush the elder at the Democratic National Convention.
I am glad that it is TZ, and not I, that is eating crow – purely for the sake of the Democratic party of course. I knew this was going to be big, but even I didn’t expect it to be this earthshaking. And ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake about it, this scandal is earthshaking. We still have four weeks to go but I don’t really see the GOP getting out of this mess very easily. Once you lose credibility its gone. I think that FINALLY… FINALLY… people realize that the republicans are completley full of bull shit. Bull shit on Iraq. Bull shit on progress being made in Iraq. Bull shit on family values. Bull shit on caring about our troops. Bull shit on being fiscally competent. Bull shit on being the “adult” party. This scandal crystalized a lot of lose threads and slammed it home in a big way. I think the sunday news shows are going to particularly enjoyable tomorrow.
Oh, TZ do you prefer your crow baked or fried?
Zifnab
Gay Republicans have by no means been supporting their own persecutors. Last I checked, no one was persecuting Foley during his previous 12 years in office. Certainly not like they went after Barney Frank. And he could run up and down the halls of Congress plugging any hole that looked pretty (kinda like a gay Newt Gingrich) and not only would the entire GOP look the other way, they’d cover for him.
As America stands, its great being a gay Republican. All the perks of being a straight Republican and you don’t have to show up for those lame ass “Justice Sunday” gimicks. If I was gay, rich, and morally bankrupt, I’d be signing up too.
Zifnab
Bush pooled in with a 38% approval rating. Tell that to 38% of the American demographic. And anyone who regularly tunes in to Pat Robertson or James Dobson.
Remember kids, if a Republican did something bad, you just know a Democrat would have done it ten times worse.
Bruce Moomaw
I’m sure you will all be enchanted to know that Rasmussen’s latest poll indicates that the people favor “Hastert resigning as speaker” by only 39-27 — whereas Survey USA yesterday set the figure at 63-27.
This may indeed be partially due to the GOP’s new hardline defense befuddling some voters; but The Pollster Formerly Known As Mystery Pollster thinks that much of it is due instead to the fact that Rasmussen just asked people whether Haster should “quit as Speaker” — whereas Survey USA gave them the choice of saying either that he should just quit as Speaker, or that he should resign from the House altogether. A lot of people thought the former but not the latter (although there was still only a 47-43 plurality against his qutting the House completely).
Our best course, I presume, is just to sit back, wait for more details to reveal themselves (and judging from that other GOP aide’s testimony to the Post last night, they WILL reveal themselves pretty quickly), and keep goosing the press if we think it isn’t covering the whole affair properly.
Proud Liberal
It’ll be my pleasure. Hey… HEY… you 33% (not 38% in latest Newsweek poll) you’re assholes? You’se naive. You’ve been snookered. You’re being lied too. You’re patsies. You’re morons. And you YOU.. that listen to a nutjobs like Dobson or Robertson.. you’re delusional moronic itiots that are being used by the religious right scumbags for their own financial interests. Wake up.
Ok.. anything else you would like me to do Zifnab?
Richard Bottoms
Who’s talking about Foley. I am talking about the closet cases who are going to be swept up in the witch hunt that is coming after Foley.
Understanding bosses like Rick “Man on Dog” San torum will be firing these guys & gals wholesale to save their asses with the loons of their party.
The Christian Right is in full effect about homosexuality & preying on the young as being the same thing.
Sympathy meter at -1.
Pb
Heh. He looks like a total closet case too. The really homophobic ones often are.
CaseyL
Short of some Democrat being caught with his or her hand down someone’s pants (and I hope to hell the leadership has been grilling its members to see if there’s anything like that) I just don’t see how the GOP pulls out of this one. There’s no good news anywhere to take the focus off this.
chopper
totally. if foley were a dem, he would have been sending ‘naughty emails’ to the 5-year old retarded congressional pages instead. the deviousness!
ThymeZone
I like the HealthWay(tm) Extract of Crow 500 mg capsules, really.
Richard Bottoms
That’s why I like living in the Bay Area, lots of well adjusted gays out here, fewer of the tortured souls like Foley.
The Other Steve
Jess – The LA Times has been a Republican newspaper as long as I can remember.
Granted, it’s California republicanism, but it’s an enabler of the southern Republicans.
Tsulagi
Ann Richards was right. If Dems think they can coast via Foley to a tidal wave in November, then they’re still thinking like Kerry in 04. They’re going to come back.
The other dumb bastard has shot himself in the leg while getting his weapon ready. He’s now stupidly looking at the hole he made. If the Dem dumb bastard is just hoping he bleeds to death while still holding his weapon, he should get off the field. They should put them down. Try offense for a change, you score points that way.
Jess
I don’t read it regularly, but when I do check it out, it seems like the coverage is–or at least has been–more balanced than most. I remember being surprised back in the 90s, when I compared it with the SF Chronicle, that the Times was notably less conservative. Are there any good papers left? It seems like one of the big problems is the budget cuts that make it difficult for reporters to do quality work; this is what’s going on now at the LA Times.
Proud Liberal
judging from the few political tv ads I’ve seen, the Dems are scoring points big time. If nothing else it will keep the oposition on the defensive. They (GOP) were planning to spend a huge amount of money on attack adds against Dems.. that may not be so wise now.
ThymeZone
Oh brother, he’s just a common crook.
This is something that really gets me riled up. Elected officials lining their own pockets by using their power.
I never figured Hastert for a run of the mill sleazeball.
I do now.
Rudi
Found this on C&L from a Christian wesite:
Truly an understand group, their coalition with the LogCabinRepublicans is FLAMING out of control.
Tsulagi
Yeah, I saw one good one, and they need to do more of that. Keep the Pubs back on their heels responding rather than charging.
ThymeZone
Read it and weep.
As one article in this collection says, we are now a nation of chumps in the shadow of this corrupt Congress.
Zifnab
Wow. I didn’t realize it was that easy. Yeah… um… get me coke?
Pb
As far as Hastert goes, I have no doubt that he’s slime, but I’m more interested in these allegations:
Zifnab
Hahahahahahahahaha!
Oh man, that’s freak’n awesome. Reminds me of that quote from the Daily Show the other day by David Rackoff. When he was explaining to some wingnut religophila about how HIV can be spread through regular old sex and the man responded, “Well, I don’t know about that. The vagina can take alot of punishment.”
ThymeZone
OMFG, that’s funny.
(They ban people here for talking about certain body parts, so I can’t be too careful.)
Peter
I’d be thrilled if the Republicans imploded as completely as Tim suggests, and it’s even possible that they’ll do that in the house. But realistically, I can’t bet on the Dems taking the Senate. There are tight races right now…really tight…in MO, TN, OH, and NJ, and close races in MT, VA, and RI. To get a Lieberman-proof majority in the Senate, the Democrats have to win ALL of those races. I can easily see them winning some or even winning most of them.
But all of them? I’m not getting my hopes up.
Zifnab
Jeb Bush Closeted
Jeb Bush, please, come out of the closet.
Pb
What about CT? That’s not a close race at all, the Democrat has a commanding lead over his Republican opponent, and… oh yeah, right.
ThymeZone
Today’s Parimutuel Window is taking bets on how long before our resident Bushmonkey begins representing this line of talking points on these premises.
Pb
You’ve just been pranked!
The Other Steve
Speaking of crooks…
I went and saw the movie The Departed last night with my girlfriend. This is the new Boston mob movie starring Jack Nickolson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, etc. etc.
It’s damn good. I don’t want to give away any spoilers, but the basic plot is…
DiCaprio and Damon go to the police academy. They’re both selected to be part of the anti-Mob division of the State police. Nickolson plays the head of the mob. Baldwin is the head of the detective division. Sheen is the head of the undercover division, and Walhberg is his deputy.
Damon is choosen to be in the detective division. DiCaprio is choosen to go undercover into Nickolson’s organization, because his uncle used to work for him and he knows the neighborhood.
There’s one catch though… Damon has been groomed by Nickolson since he was a young kid, and he’s actually a mob mole in the department.
The movie has many twists and turns, lot’s of violence, and plenty of profanity. DiCaprio’s role is outstanding, as it’s hard to come off as a tough guy when you look like a kid.
Martin Scorsese directs well, jumping you around, keeping you moving in the film. (It’s 2 1/2 hours long, but it moves) The music is interesting. Who would have ever thought Comfortably Numb was a song to play during a sex scene? And Irish punk rock introduces the mob getting ready for a big hit.
Two thumbs up. highly recommended.
Matt Damon plays a wonderful Republican. Incompetent, and looking out for hisself in the area of public service. :-)
ThymeZone
Potent cast, powerful director. Sounds good, I may take it in this weekend too.
ThymeZone
In the absence of Beer Blogging, I offer you this.
Punchy
I’m going to have to email this to my old biology professor. Seems he’s been lying to me all these years…something about egg and sperm and such. Who knew playing the skin flute could increase the size of one’s family?
ThymeZone
In that case, a large objection to gay marriage is made moot.
Serendipity!
Dreggas
ThymeZone,
Per your little post from James (so in the closet he has to be a fundie) dobson and the prank angle.
Next week bush will be announcing that the Iraq war was an elaborate prank and has really been an ongoing “reality show” shot in the sahara…oh wait…it’s Not.
Dobson, poster child for abortion and the reason for the phrase pull out.
Zifnab
I look forward to the day when the skeletons come out of Dobson’s closet. Maybe HE was the one who stuck the dead deer head in that black family’s mail box in Virginia. Only time will tell.
Richard 23
Pb, thanks for the link to the snl transcripts site. I found the sketch I mentioned a day or so ago where the Nixon tapes were portrayed as Nixon pranking. It’s a funny watch, but the transcript does get the point across. Check it out if you’re interested.
And on and on….
Area Man
Rovian memes via Washington Journal’s Republican callers this morning: “Nancy Pelosi will take away all our guns and murder the unborn and make rich people slightly less rich and millions will die because you don’t love our God’s chosen representative in the war against people who don’t think or worship like us”.
The scary thing is, that sort of message may still resonate in huge swaths of rural RedState country. Regardless of Foley.
I sure hope not.
Richard Bottoms
Nancy Grace has sunk her bloody claws into the Foley mess.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
David
I have to say, I actually hope the Democrats take back Congress and think they’ve earned it. I don’t want them to think they lucked into this. Then they’ll keep thinking like a minority party, and we’ve all seen exactly how effective that is. If they think a majority actually supports them, they might (emphasis on might) actually mount an opposition worth the name.
Pb
Richard 23,
Thanks. For whatever reason, my computer and/or ISP has had trouble reaching that site, but at least I can still use Google to search it and check out the cached versions!
sglover
I have to say, I actually hope the Democrats take back Congress and think they’ve earned it. I don’t want them to think they lucked into this. Then they’ll keep thinking like a minority party, and we’ve all seen exactly how effective that is. If they think a majority actually supports them, they might (emphasis on might) actually mount an opposition worth the name.
Yeah, well. All I expect from them is that they won’t fuck things up as badly as the Republicans.
Just a week or so ago, the House passed the defense appropriation (I think it might be the only tangible thing they managed to do all year, but I’m not sure). Some sensible Dem attached an amendment explicitly prohibiting use of the funds for any Cheney game-playing in Iran. Of course, the GOP bloc voted it down — but they need a lot of Dem votes to do it. It failed by about 2:1. Yglesias has the rundown.
I bring this up because among the Dems voting with the GOP were my own worthless fucking pig of a congresscreature, Al “I occupy space” Wynn, and the machine hack in a neighboring district, Steny Hoyer, who’s the minority whip. Wynn’s case is particularly instructive. He only barely survived a primary challenge from a very competent, articulate anti-war candidate, Donna Edwards (I contributed some time and money to her campaign). Mere weeks after barely surviving the political fight of his life, the scumbag is back to doing what he does best, calling himself a Dem, voting like a Rep.
So while I emphatically want to see the Republicans tossed out, and hope for lots of indictments, I don’t have a helluva lot of faith in the Dems.
Pb
sglover,
Yes, I’d say the fact that we couldn’t get 40 Democrats in the Senate to vote against torture (12 voted for it!) pretty much makes that same point as well. On the other hand, only *one* Republican voted against it in the Senate, so given the choice, it’s Democrats all the way for me. Except for the torture Dems, screw them.
Demdude
Well, how do the Republicans keep all the votes so solid? Because all the Republicans all agree on everything? Because they share all the same beliefs?
They keep them togther because they have the ability to grant Committee assignments. The ability to attach pet projects to bills. Unfortunately, pork give aways. One the spigot is turned off or on, you will be surprised on how many of the Republicans start voting with the Democrats.
Andrew
The Departed is based on Infernal Affairs, which is an excellent Hong Kong hard boiled thriller.
Zifnab
I doubt that. Republicans vote with Republicans for the same reason that Democrats vote with Republicans, because they are all under this myopic view that it is too politically costly to do otherwise. Voting against a Republican, at any time for any reason, will label you unAmerican for reasons only Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh can explain. So Dems and moderate ‘Puds alike keep on keeping on, voting with the wackos because if they don’t their constituencies will be completely hoodwinked into voting them out in favor of an ultra-conservative replacement.
Gus
Richard 23
I remember that skit. Dan Ackroyd’s career peaked around that time if you ask me. I loved his Nixon, asking Kissinger to pray with him. Also, his Jimmy Carter on a radio show taking phone calls, talking the guy down from his acid trip is priceless.
Andrew
Speaking of fracking moving pictures, the season premiere was fucking fanstastic and the most effective fiction-based commentary on the Iraq war that I have ever seen.
Andrew
Er, the season premiere of Battlestar Galactica, that is.
Da Bombz Diggity
Tim,
While your point is well taken, I’d have to disagree. I think that it is in the democrats’s best interest that they not get in the middle of the GOP’s self-destruction. If they do, they might just become the bad guys and redirect the negative attention on themselves. The media these days are only responding to republican issues, if the democrats intercept the republican issues, they may likely become the targets. No, they are correctly shutting their traps until they are ready to rumble. If the democrats do this right, they can win back all of the seats that they lost and then some.
David
Nor do I. But given the choice between Democrats who think they have a mandate and Democrats who think Republicans still do, which are more likely to continue being scared of their own shadows?
ThymeZone
Who’s watching MTP this morning?
See it later if you can, either the rebroadcast on MSNBC or the streaming video online.
You cannot believe, unless you see it with your own eyes, the insane and nonsensical lies Talent is telling about the American mission in Iraq. It’s one thing to see these things in pixels on a screen, but to see a US Senator saying these things in apparent earnestness, in public …. it’s breathtaking. It’s mind boggling.
Talent’s message in a nutshell? We’re “making progress.” We have to stay “until the mission is done.” We can’t have “an articificial timeline for withdrawal.”
Paddy O'Shea
Somebody Tell hastert to put his pants back on ..
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20061016,00.html
capelza
Andrew…I agree about Battlestar Galatica. That show is great anyway, but this season is going to be amazing.
The analogy to the war….bone chilling.
capelza
And…torture and the idea that even though the Cylons want to “help” us and want to “save” us, they are killing and torturing…
The Other Steve
Duke Cunningham calls reporter who nailed him the Devil
You gotta admit. It takes guts to call good people names.
ThymeZone
Cunningham:
It’s consistent with Republican values, which as you know, are grounded in Personal Responsibility. Here, Cunningham demonstrates it, by making someone else personally responsible for the collossal fuckup that is Cunnigham’s life and career.
This is Republican values in a nutshell — witness their response to the Foley scandal. Democrats, media, and gays are to blame. Hold them responsible.
ThymeZone
BTW, that’s the same thing I said when I got banned here.
So I can empathize with Cunningham ;^ |
Paddy O'Shea
Sounds like Duke is having some trouble adjusting to prison life.
ThymeZone
Think it’s the food?
Paddy O'Shea
Maybe Abramoff isn’t sending him the cookies he promised.
Punchy
As opposed to a natural timeline?
Zifnab
I think that quote continues with, “Ever since my scandal, I haven’t gotten any kickbacks or any lucrative lobbying positions. After learning to rely on my $2 million in illegal contributions, I’ve found myself in serious financial straights.”
“You know, Gerry Studds had sex with a 17-year-old page in 1973, something he admitted to ten years later, and frankly I haven’t seen nearly enough reporting on that. Why does the media always pick on Republicans?”
ThymeZone
Look … a scary jackalope!
RSA
Bad homosexuality, bad! These quotes are pretty funny, carefully constructed as they are by semi-literate loons.
ThymeZone
Ah for the good old days, when stalwart defenders of integrity like Tom DeLay stood up for principle.
{ sigh } I fear we may not see this kind of courage again soon.
Andrew
Isn’t that what leads to so many pregnancies?
ThymeZone
Tom DeLay, standing tall for the breasts of American reporters. Brings a tear to the eye.
Tsulagi
Aahh, bring out your big guns. The model of the virile Republican manly man straight from his undisclosed location to jack up his fellow Purple Heart bandaid warriors. I’m surprised they don’t dress him up in a flight suit to really inspire their troops. Put a fresh battery pack in his pacemaker and he’s good to go.
Tsulagi
Guess it makes sense Cheney would show up. For the past week we’ve been treated to the yin side of the Republican base male in Foley, now we get the yang side.
The Other Steve
Do you think Cheney calling Democrats fraidy cats is going to be overshadow the new revelation that Foley is confirmed to have had sex with at least one page?
Krista
So does torture.
Will check in later, after consuming more turkey and stuffing than is good for me. Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canucks!!!
Andrew
Why do you want the terrorists to win, TOS?
ThymeZone
Foley is old new, Steve. That train has left the station.
Let’s talk about Clinton, and Gerry Studds. Those are more current, and more relevant.
Please, some focus here?
Zifnab
Nancy Pelosi voted against sensoring Gerry Studds. Dennis Hastert never voted against sensoring Foley.
ThymeZone
Twenty three years, and still the Democrats have not forced Studds to resign.
But ….
William Mencarow, press secretary for Republican Congressman Dan Crane, who was censured for having sex with a female page in 1980.
That’s the spirit that made this country great. Right there.
Bombadil
Was she opposed to the long-range sensors, or just the short-range ones?
demimondian
Who cares if Foley actually had sex wqith a page? Folks, Foley’s not the issue — the issue is what and when the House Republican leadership knew, and whether they told any of the aaproriate agencies about it. We can depend on the law enforcement community to handle Mark Foley; it’s the House of Representatives which is our responsibility.
ThymeZone
Corrected.
demimondian
Hey, TZ? I think someone might have given you some tainted crow. You might want to check into that.
Zifnab
There you go again, making the War on Terr(ible Homosexuals) out to be a law enforcement issue rather than a Terror issue. Democrats just want you to sit around and wait for another page to get molested again, rather than going after the real problem.
We need to invade Barry Franks, so that a tragedy like this never happens again.
The Other Steve
Don’t you mean to say Nancy Pelosi never voted to censure Gerry Studds?
That is, if we ignoring the fact that he was censured in 1983, and Pelosi didn’t come into office until 1987. Which would be pretty much common practice with Republican attack ads.
demimondian
TOS — why do you hate America? The correct statement of the ad is “Nancy Pelosi never voted to censure Gerry Studds. Dennis Hastert voted to censure Mark Foley at every opportunity he had.”
The Other Steve
Well true. But the revelations in the LA Times article, are actually more damaging than he slept with him.
The page said he met Foley when the congressman first took office in 1995, but didn’t have sex with him until several years later when he was 21. That in and of itself isn’t a crime, or even so questionable in nature.
What it does lay out though, is that Foley was watching the pages, identifying the ones who looked like good targets and then waiting a few years until they were out to hit on ’em.
So his actions were quite clearly predatory.
And since this had been going on for quite some time, it’s pretty damn clear that the congressional leadership was aware of it and turned their backs on it because they were afraid of losing a seat.
ThymeZone
Crow jerky is really a good way to always have some of the poultry on hand for a quick snack.
The Other Steve
Here’s another nice article in the Times…
Us has become dumping ground for products which fail to meet environmental standards in Europe and Asia. They note even things which it is illegal to sell in China, will be made in China and then sold in our country.
That being said, there is some good news…
I say good for Dell, HP, Revlon, Mattell and Orly!
Who the hell is Orly?
Oh nail care. No wonder, I don’t polish my nails. :-)
The Other Steve
Good point… good point.
Funny for the day.
We need to De-Foley-ate Congress!
ThymeZone
These are the kinds of messages that someday will be exposed and force you to resign.
chopper
i would, if the page were underage. the dude was 21 when it happened, so to me that’s just two consenting adults.
however, i agree that the house leadership sitting on the info is more important.
ThymeZone
Dkos.
Who knew that the pages were this evil? That they hated America so deeply?
Zifnab
Yeah, Rly.
demimondian
You’ve been reading too much ytmnd.com.