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Here’s Something We Didn’t Get Credit For

by @heymistermix.com|  November 22, 202410:14 am| 271 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Even the relatively minor changes made at DOT under Mayor Pete’s leadership were too much for our corporate overlords:

The chief executive of Delta Air Lines says the incoming Trump administration will be a “breath of fresh air” for airlines after what he calls government “overreach” under President Joe Biden.

The airline industry has chafed under consumer-protection regulations imposed by the Biden administration. And Delta is facing a federal investigation into its slow recovery from a global technology outage this summer.

I don’t even know what people mean by “working class” anymore, but I’ll tell you who gets screwed the most by airlines:  no (mileage) status, infrequent leisure travelers.  They don’t know all the ways that the airlines will fuck them, and they book tickets in the classes most likely to get bumped or otherwise have their travel disrupted.

Delta is one of the better airlines in this regard (just as the one-eyed man rules the kingdom of the blind), so who knows what the budget carriers like Frontier will come up with in the next couple of years of government “under reach.”

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TGIFriday Morning Open Thread: Compare and Contrast…

by Anne Laurie|  November 22, 20248:46 am| 165 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, President Biden, Proud to Be A Democrat, Trump Crime Cartel, World's Best Healthcare (If You Can Afford It)

House Democrats are ready to fight for you. pic.twitter.com/IQrUQbxA76

— DCCC (@dccc) November 21, 2024

As President of the United States, I formally apologize for the Federal Indian Boarding School era.

America learns from our history. pic.twitter.com/CR4AeNyIfV

— President Biden (@POTUS) November 21, 2024

Additionally, you've got my word that we will work with my successor's transition team to explain the urgency of recovery efforts in North Carolina – and urge them to stay there until the job is done.

— President Biden (@POTUS) November 21, 2024

Yesterday, I congratulated President Sheinbaum of Mexico on her recent election and reaffirmed the U.S.'s commitment to building a prosperous North America.

We will continue to address migration, transnational criminal violence, and economic issues from a place of cooperation. pic.twitter.com/EOAZwlfkyW

— President Biden (@POTUS) November 19, 2024

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— Katherine Clark (@WhipKClark) November 20, 2024

Compare & contrast, healthcare edition:

Far too many people in rural areas have to drive for hours to the nearest hospital, or they don’t have reliable internet for telehealth.

On #RuralHealthDay, I am dedicated to ensuring that these communities get the healthcare resources that they need to lead healthy lives. pic.twitter.com/C4YA5KdVcV

— Robin Kelly (@RepRobinKelly) November 21, 2024

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I haven’t heard rumors about Dr. Oz being a Russian asset, so I’m guessing he just wrote a seven-figure check directly to Donald Trump…

This new Hunger Games prequel sucks. https://t.co/QWbSgh7mFq

— Longtime Black Man Here (@groove_sdc) November 21, 2024

Remember during COVID when Dr. Oz said he’s ok with 2-3% of children dying so they can open schools pic.twitter.com/2DZyLuJ7mB

— Wu Tang is for the Children (@WUTangKids) November 19, 2024

Hamburgers got too expensive, so now we have to treat cancer with squid ink pills https://t.co/Fu9hIgDptB

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) November 19, 2024

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Late Night Schadenfreude Open Thread: We’re Rooting for Injuries

by Anne Laurie|  November 22, 20242:03 am| 187 Comments

This post is in: Grifters Gonna Grift, Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, Trump Crime Cartel

I, for one, think it absolutely rules that Trump had to spend all day with:
– Ted Cruz, who he hates
– His giant loser son, who he also hates, and
– "First Buddy" Elon Musk, who he has grown to loathe pic.twitter.com/weBVucS65s

— The okayest poster there is (@ok_post_guy) November 20, 2024

Very simple solution to get rid of him: Call him “Dad.”

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— L O L G O P (@lolgop.bsky.social) November 20, 2024 at 7:31 PM

Rolling Stone reports — “Republicans Were Ready to Torch Elon Musk for Blowing the Election. Then Trump Won”:

Had Donald Trump lost the 2024 election, several Republicans close to him, GOP lawmakers, and conservative megadonors would have been quick to blame his top billionaire surrogate: Elon Musk.

In fact, in the weeks leading up to Election Day, a number of these sources — including one senior Trump campaign official — said they were each willing to go on the record with Rolling Stone about how furious they were at Musk and his America PAC operation for comically botching the Trump ground game in the battleground states, thus blowing the presidential race for Trump. The catch was: These sources were only willing to vent, with their names attached, if Trump actually lost. And some of these Republicans were indeed anxious that he would…

The Trump campaign official went as far as to concede to Rolling Stone that “we never should have outsourced” so much of the ground-game operations to that “very strange man.”

Yet the embattled former president nevertheless came out on top — and now Musk is more firmly embedded within the MAGA and GOP elite than ever, to the frustration of some of the president-elect’s longtime advisers. They are, at least for the time being, stuck with him, due to a victory that many in the MAGA upper crust see not as the result of Musk’s efforts, but in spite of them.

Musk spent at least $119 million on his pro-Trump Super PAC — and now he’s set to help lead Trump’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), tasked with dismantling government bureaucracy, waste, and regulations, as well as restructuring federal agencies. Musk — who runs Tesla, SpaceX, and X, formerly known as Twitter — is a major government contractor, and federal agencies are investigating some of his companies.

At this moment, he is a protected man in Trumpworld, in the good graces of key members of the Trump family, Tucker Carlson, and other MAGAville luminaries, and the president-elect — even though a few short months ago, Trump was privately trashing Musk as “boring” and awkward.

It is also true, as multiple news outlets have reported lately, that a number of top aides and confidants in Trump’s orbit have grown visibly annoyed at what they view as Musk’s overstepping and ham-fisted meddling as the second Trump administration takes shape…

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There are numerous sources close to Trump — big donors, incoming administration officials, lawyers, even some who like Musk — predicting that the Trump-Musk bond is not built to last. This is largely based on Trump’s tendency to loathe sharing the national spotlight, as well as the inevitable friction you get when two titanically large egos — both of whom came into this 2024 alliance with wealth, fame, and political muscle — become so intertwined.

There are some Republican figures who predict Musk might just get bored and bail…

Musk’s support for Trump in 2024 has always appeared opportunistic. Two years ago, he was arguing that the one-term president was “too old” to hold the office again and should “sail into the sunset,” prompting Trump to insult him and “his many subsidized projects, whether it’s electric cars that don’t drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocket ships to nowhere, without which subsidies he’d be worthless.” …

Now, Trump finds himself practically joined at the hip to the world’s richest man, from the links at Trump International Golf Club to ringside seats at an Ultimate Fighting Championship event. He continues to praise Musk, even while joking that he “can’t get him out of here.”

If we are already getting anonymous "holy shit this guy is annoying" stories I'm not sure Elon Musk makes it to Inauguration Day in Trump's inner circle. He might be on a 2016 Transition Chair Chris Christie arc www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcn…

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— Jay Willis (@jaywillis.net) November 13, 2024 at 12:06 PM

Also big reductions in overhead matched by big reductions in revenue

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— Chatham Harrison is sowing what seeds he can (@chathamharrison.bsky.social) November 20, 2024 at 8:00 PM

I have an idea to improve government efficiency: don’t give a billionaire $50 million to write a blog post about how we need to cut social security

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— James Medlock (@jdcmedlock.bsky.social) November 12, 2024 at 9:07 PM

Useful reminder also that all of our Silicon Valley oligarchs owe their careers to American tax dollars and government research. https://t.co/qg1eoOu6Ts

— Timothy Snyder (@TimothyDSnyder) November 20, 2024

I feel like this is underpriced
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— James Medlock (@jdcmedlock.bsky.social) November 17, 2024 at 11:41 PM

This is Trump code for he's going to throw him into the sea https://t.co/s8efsHQeJ8

— cai (@AnneNotation) November 13, 2024

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War for Ukraine Day 1,002: Russia Responds with an Experimental Medium Range Ballistic Missile

by Adam L Silverman|  November 21, 20249:36 pm| 26 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Three quick housekeeping notes. First, Rosie is doing great. It was only in the mid to high 60s late this afternoon and she was ready to go. We did a 1.1 mile walk with a 22 minute pace, which is both the farthest she’s walk and the fastest pace since she was diagnosed. In fact it was her dragging on our usual two mile walks that made me take her to the vets right away back in the late winter. Thank you all for the good thoughts, well wishes, prayers, and donations to help with her chemo.

Second, I am fried! So, just the basics tonight.

Third: the dark chocolate mousse sets up properly if, and only if, you put the right amount of chocolate in the ganache. Easy fix.

For most of today people were playing intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM), new old ordnance, new new ordnance, Iranian ordnance?

Russia launched something awful at the Ukrainian city of Dnipro, home to ~1 million people. What type of missile is unclear. Kyiv claims an ICBM; some western officials say not so but a ballistic missile. Regardless, Moscow used a terrifying and devastating weapon on a densely populated city.

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— Christopher Miller (@christopherjm.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 7:31 AM

The Russians have now confirmed what they launched at Ukraine in reprisal for the Ukrainian ATACMS and Storm Shadow strikes.

New: ‘President Vladimir Putin has said that the Russian army has struck Ukraine with one of its newest medium-range missile systems – a conventional ballistic missile called Oreshnik.’ www.kommersant.ru/doc/7313697?…

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— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 12:26 PM

‘According to the president, the Russian strike fell on the “Southern Machine-Building Plant” (Yuzhmash). This is a large Ukrainian enterprise for the production of rocket and space technology, located in Dnipro.’

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 12:35 PM

The first rule of  intermediate range ballistic missile is we don’t discuss intermediate range ballistic missile:

During the briefing, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zakharova received a phone call and was asked not to comment on the strike on the Dnipro by an intercontinental ballistic missile.

But thanks to Masha’s intelligence, “no one heard anything.”

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 6:03 AM

Tatarigami puts today’s Russian IRBM strike in perspective:

Since day 1 of the invasion, Russia has struck Ukraine with nuclear-capable missiles like Iskander, Kinzhal, and Kh-101/102. Another ballistic missile launch is no different, just more blatant nuclear blackmail

If Russia doesn’t like strikes inside of Russia, it can simply leave

— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 10:39 AM

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Today It Was a New Russian Missile; All the Parameters: Speed, Altitude – Match Those of an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile – Address by the President

21 November 2024 – 13:47

Dear Ukrainians!

On November 21, Ukraine celebrates the Day of Dignity and Freedom – remembering the two Ukrainian revolutions, honoring what Ukrainians truly are. Also today, our insane neighbor has once again shown what they truly are, and how they despise dignity, freedom, and human life itself. And how terrified they are.

So terrified that they are already using new missiles. And they are searching the world for more weapons. First in Iran, then in North Korea. Today it was a new Russian missile. All the parameters: speed, altitude – match those of an intercontinental ballistic missile. All expert evaluations are underway. Obviously, Putin is using Ukraine as a testing ground. Obviously, Putin is terrified when normal life simply exists next to him. When people simply have dignity. When a country simply wants to be and has the right to be independent.

Putin is doing whatever it takes to prevent his neighbor from breaking free of his grasp. And I thank all Ukrainians, who are defending Ukraine from this evil – unwaveringly, bravely, firmly. With dignity. This is one of the key words for Ukraine – dignity. And it is a word that will probably never be used again to describe Russia.

Today, I will sign a Decree enacting the National Security and Defense Council’s decision on dignity. On respect for the true heroes, heroes of Ukraine, for all our dignified people, and on fair treatment of those who chose the other side – chose Russia and treachery.

The first list of such individuals includes 34 names.

Glory to Ukraine!

Dnipro:

Tracks of Russian cruise and ballistic missiles fired at Ukraine on Nov. 21. Note how the cruise missiles (orange tracks) took a huge detour over north-central Ukraine before converging on Dnipro to keep UA air defenses guessing – and revealing themselves with radar signals.

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— Euan MacDonald (@euanmacdonald.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 11:46 AM

The Financial Times has more details on the Russian IRBM strike on Dnipro:

Vladimir Putin has said Moscow fired an experimental hypersonic missile at Ukraine on Thursday in response to the US and UK allowing Kyiv to use advanced western weaponry at targets inside Russia.

The president of Russia said the Oreshnik missile, which can carry a nuclear warhead, targeted a factory in Dnipro, which was formerly the Soviet Union’s top-secret rocket-building facility.

While Ukraine described it as an intercontinental missile, both the Russian president and a US official classified it as a mid-range ballistic missile, without specifying the type. A Nato spokesperson said it had been an experimental intermediate-range ballistic missile.

A senior Ukrainian military official told the Financial Times that the missile was an RS-26 Rubezh, which has a range of up to 6,000km.

The US later clarified that the missile Russia used was based on an intercontinental ballistic missile model, but continued to describe it as an “intermediate-range” missile.

“I can confirm that Russia did launch an experimental intermediate-range ballistic missile. This IRBM was based on Russia’s RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile model,” Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh said.

Some analysts dispute the classification of RS-26 as an intercontinental missile, arguing that, because it has a shorter range than most ICBMs, it sits in a grey area between that designation and an intermediate-range missile.

But under the US and Russia’s New Start nuclear arms control treaty of 2010, an ICBM is defined as a “land-based ballistic missile with a range in excess of 5,500km”.

Before Thursday, no ICBM had been recorded as being used in conflict.

Putin said Russia would respond to “escalation . . . decisively and correspondingly”. Russia reserved the right to use its weaponry against military targets in countries that allowed Ukraine to use their weapons against Moscow’s forces, he added.

Ukraine said it had intercepted six of the accompanying Russian missiles, but not what it said was the RS-26, which was launched from Russia’s southern Astrakhan region.

British defence secretary John Healey referred on Thursday to “unconfirmed reports” of “a new ballistic missile” launched at Ukraine that the Russians “have been preparing for months”. Officials in Berlin said that, if confirmed, the ICBM attack would “once again show Putin’s inhuman ruthlessness”.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Thursday on X: “Our insane neighbour has once again revealed its true nature.”

He added the Russian missile’s “speed and altitude suggest intercontinental ballistic capabilities. Investigations are ongoing”.

Two people were injured in the attack, local authorities said. It is not clear what the missile was targeting or the extent of the damage caused.

The US official said it was likely Russia only had a few of these missiles and Ukraine had withstood “countless attacks, including from missiles with significantly larger warheads”. They added the weapon would not be “a game-changer in this conflict”.

Nato spokesperson Farah Dakhlallah said the strike was yet another example of Russia’s attacks against Ukrainian cities.

“Russia aims to terrorise the civilian population in Ukraine and intimidate those who support Ukraine as it defends itself against Russia’s illegal and unprovoked aggression. Deploying this capability will neither change the course of the conflict nor deter Nato allies from supporting Ukraine.”

Pavel Podvig, a senior researcher at the UN Institute for Disarmament Research in Geneva, wrote on X: “Using these kinds of missiles, whether RS-26 or a true ICBM, in a conventional role does not make a lot of sense because of their relatively low-accuracy and high cost.”

“But this kind of a strike might have a value as a signal,” he added.

More at the link.

Pentagon: Russia’s intermediate-range ballistic missile was based on Russia’s RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile model.

Video shows the debris of missile which were found in Dnipro after the attack.

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 3:02 PM

In Dnipro, residential building is on fire following a russian missile attack!

#UkrainianView

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— Iryna Voichuk (@irynavoichuk.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 1:04 AM

/1. The impact site of one of the rods of the Russian ICBM RS-26 launched this morning at the city of Dnipro.

State Emergency Service of Ukraine regarding the damage caused by attack:

“In the morning, the enemy attacked Dnipro: 2 people were wounded…

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 5:04 AM

/2. The building of the rehabilitation center for people with disabilities was damaged. The boiler room was partially destroyed, the windows were broken.

A fire broke out in a two-story residential building on the territory of the private sector. The roof on the area of ​​150 meters was on fire…

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 5:04 AM

/3. Also in the city, an industrial enterprise and a garage cooperative were damaged, on the territory of which a fire broke out with an area of ​​100 square meters, 9 garages were partially destroyed.”

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 5:05 AM

And we have a new line of effort in Russia’s political warfare influence campaign. I bet you can’t guess where it is being conducted?

It’s interesting to see “Ads” on X, promoted and paid by small accounts, pushing headlines about nuclear escalation fears while linking NYT article about the ATACMS strikes. This suggests a possible coordinated psyops campaign aimed at a Western audience.

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— Tatarigami (@tatarigami.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 12:51 PM

The Kursk cross border offensive:

According to the WSJ: “A senior North Korean general was wounded in a recent Ukrainian strike in the Kursk area.

It is the first time that Western officials have confirmed that a high-ranking North Korean military officer has become a casualty during the war.”

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 1:44 PM

/1. Regarding the yesterdays Storm Shadow strikes on the command post in the Kursk region:

“Yesterday, 20.11.2024 at about 15:00, a missile strike was launched against the command post located in the settlement of Maryino, Rylsky District, Kursk Region…

t.me/dosye_shpion…

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— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 9:01 AM

/2. «…As a result of the strike, 18 servicemen were killed, and another 33 were injured to varying degrees of severity. Among the wounded are three DPRK servicemen (two men with serious injuries and one female medic with minor injuries). Wounded were taken to the Rylsky Central District Hospital…»

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 9:02 AM

/3. «…Most of the victims are officers from Southern and Eastern Military Districts.

At the time of the strike, the first deputy commander of the Leningrad Military District, Lieutenant General Solodchuk, was at the command post. There is no information yet on his condition…»

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 9:03 AM

/4. «…Further, an incident is reported that occurred during the clearing of rubble at the scene:

At about 19:00, as a result of the detonation of an unknown munition, 13 servicemen from the 88th Engineer Regiment were injured. Among the injured is the deputy chief of staff of the regiment.»

— 🦋Special Kherson Cat🐈🇺🇦 (@specialkhersoncat.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 9:04 AM

That’s four North Korean soldiers down, 9,996 to go!

It’s probably actually more than that at this point, but you get the idea.

Zaporzhzhia Oblast:

A HIMARS strike hit a concentration of enemy forces at a training ground in the occupied part of the Zaporizhzhia region.
t.me/ukrbavovna/1…

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— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 11:04 AM

Vovchansk:

They try to scare us with nukes, but how are cities razed to the ground by glide bombs any better?

Vovchansk.

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— Kate from Kharkiv (@kateinkharkiv.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 9:04 AM

Kherson:

#Kherson region. Yesterday, Russia targeted

11 settlements

💔1 killed
💔10 injured, incl 1 child

🔴a humanitarian aid point distributing bread
🔴gas station
🔴5 highrises
🔴8 private houses
damaged

#Drone #HumanSafari continues.

Power: gone, due to the morning attack pic.x.com/VaSbIHk9Ty

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— Zarina Zabrisky (@zarinazabrisky.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 1:44 AM

Sevastopol, Russian occupied Crimea:

All-clear being given in oblasts around Ukraine.

Meanwhile, reports of explosions in Sevastopol, in Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Crimea, where air raid sirens have sounded and air defenses are said to be operating. Unconfirmed reports from Russian sources of an attack by Ukrainian Neptune missiles.

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— Euan MacDonald (@euanmacdonald.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 8:36 AM

That’s enough for tonight.

Your daily Patron!

There are no new Patron tweets or videos today. Here is some adjacent material.

My stray buddy is back!

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— Illia Ponomarenko (@ioponomarenko.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 6:26 AM

Open thread!

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Open Thread: When It Comes to Deportations, Do Not Comply in Advance

by Anne Laurie|  November 21, 20247:52 pm| 57 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Immigration, Republican Venality

I have faced fascism before, in this very country. I was one of 120,000 Japanese Americans summarily rounded up and expelled from our homes at gunpoint, all for the crime of looking like the people who bombed Pearl Harbor.

I spent my childhood behind barbed wire. My parents lost everything. 1/

— George Takei (@georgetakei.bsky.social) November 15, 2024 at 7:43 PM

But we did not give up on this country. We rebuilt our lives, and we worked to ensure that something like this never happened again in America.

Now, I fear there are echoes from that dark chapter of our history. They are speaking once again of camps to hold people, this time for the crime of /2

…being undocumented. We must not repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn from them. I know it feels bleak out there. I know it feels hopeless. But I am living proof that out of that darkness can rise great hope and optimism.

I will fight for the principles of this country until my /3

… very last breath. I ask you to join me in that fight. It is a noble one. It is a worthy one. And it is one we fight on behalf not just of ourselves, but of generations to come.

When you are my age, you will be able to look back upon this time and be proud of what you did, what you stood for. /4

So don’t give up hope. Do not despair. That is what they want, and we shall not give them that satisfaction. In Japanese, there is a word my mother used to say to me.

“Gaman, Georgie,” she’d say. It means to endure with fortitude and dignity. We all could benefit the spirit of Gaman. /5

Look to community. Look to friends and family who stood with us and who suffer the grief of this loss with us. In their company find comfort. And when you are ready to stand up and fight, I will be with you, too.

We will prevail. For the light always defeats the darkness. /end

Go read this. ??

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— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@reichlinmelnick.bsky.social) November 21, 2024 at 7:52 AM

Dara Lind, “What ‘Mass Deportation’ Actually Means “ [gift link]:

… Donald Trump’s team has construed his victory as a mandate for carrying out what it has described as mass deportations. Even before Mr. Trump announced a nominee to lead the Department of Homeland Security, he named Stephen Miller, an immigration hard-liner, as deputy chief of staff and homeland security adviser, and Tom Homan (who was the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement during part of Mr. Trump’s first term) as a White House-based czar to oversee “all deportation of illegal aliens back to their country of origin.”

It is tempting to assume that after his first term and four more years of planning, Mr. Trump and his administration will find no obstacles to impose their will swiftly and completely.

But that’s not true. No executive order can override the laws of physics and create, in the blink of an eye, staff and facilities where none existed. The constraints on a mass deportation operation are logistical more than legal. Deporting one million people a year would cost an annual average of $88 billion, and a one-time effort to deport the full unauthorized population of 11 million would cost many times that — and it’s difficult to imagine how long it would take.

So the question is not whether mass deportation will happen. It’s how big Mr. Trump and his administration will go, and how quickly. How many resources — exactly how much, for example, in the way of emergency military funding — are they willing and able to marshal toward the effort? How far are they willing to bend or break the rules to make their numbers?

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The details matter not only because every deportation represents a life disrupted (and usually more than one, since no immigrant is an island). They matter precisely because the Trump administration will not round up millions of immigrants on Jan. 20. Millions of people will wake up on Jan. 21 not knowing exactly what comes next for them — and the more accurate the press and the public can be about the scope and scale of deportation efforts, the better able immigrants and their communities will be to prepare for what might be coming and try to find ways to throw sand in the gears…

That this mass deportation will happen with no legal restraints, accountability or oversight is by no means a premise to be granted without contest. Because resigning oneself in advance to a maximalist vision of mass deportation helps accomplish the same goal: making immigrants feel they have no choice but to leave the United States…

For those who believe the United States will be better off if every unauthorized immigrant leaves the country — no matter how many native-born U.S. citizen children they have to take with them to keep families together or how many American communities are surveilled and disrupted for years — making people afraid enough to deport themselves is a convenient and low-cost way to do it.

Conversely, those who do not wish to see millions of people leave the United States under coercion during a second Trump administration should do what they can to prevent that reality. That starts with a committed and cleareyed understanding of what is actually happening, and a willingness to treat abuses of power as a rupture and an aberration — something that can, and should, be fought.

They can document and communicate when the government is breaking the law; pressure state and local officials to refuse to collaborate with federal removal efforts by refusing to share information, and especially by objecting to deployment of the military or National Guard in their states’ territory; and support efforts to provide legal representation to immigrants.

This work will require, particularly for those who are not themselves immigrants, a promise not to let pessimism do the Trump administration’s job for it. The government will do things that hurt people. It will do things that look scary.

But how many people will be caught up in a deportation machine, and how quickly, is by no means a settled question — and it’s one that a public sympathetic to immigrants should continue to care about the answer to.

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On the Ground Report

by @heymistermix.com|  November 21, 20245:45 pm| 68 Comments

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John Avlon, formerly a CNN reporter, was the Democrat who ran for the NY-1 House seat and lost.  Here’s his report from the trenches:

That’s why the core message of my campaign was a commitment to “rebuild the middle”—both the middle of our politics and the middle of our economy. These things are directly connected. It’s not a coincidence that the middle of our politics has been hollowed out at the same time that the middle of our economy has been hollowed out. Until we rebuild a strong middle class, our politics won’t have the ballast needed to steady the increasingly intense partisan swings.

The irony is that Democrats ran on this. Joe Biden consistently warned about the dangers of the middle-class squeeze since it accelerated during the Reagan era, when American manufacturing began moving overseas. He was more of a pro-union president than any other occupant of the White House in recent memory.

And while no one wants to hear this right now, President Biden’s record also included landmark legislation that over time—if it is not repealed out of partisan spite—will do a lot to rebuild the middle class through the re-shoring of essential manufacturing and through historic infrastructure spending. While inflation spiked early on his watch, America’s economy is “the envy of the world” in the words of the Economist.

But President Biden was hobbled by legitimate perceptions of reduced vigor while Democrats were denied credit for the bipartisan legislation they passed during his presidency. At stops at diners while on the campaign trail, I noticed that Biden’s age was a punch-line offered up by kids while their parents offered a pox-on-both-houses assessment of the two parties, often mentioning things like defund-the-police.  There was pervasive anger at Albany for bail-reform laws, despite the fact that violent crime has fallen under Biden.

Talking with those voters, I was often reminded of one of my favorite quotes from the late New York Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan: “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.” The results of this election show that collective reasoning around common facts in hopes of finding common ground is an increasingly rare quality.

NY-1 is eastern Long Island.  It was recently redistricted and is supposedly R+3, but it went for Trump by solid margins in 2016 and 2020, and Avlon got beat by 11%, and Trump won by 11% in 2024, so I think R+3 is going to be revised upwards.

Also, AOC is having a AMA on Bluesky and it’s pretty good.  Hit the “Replies” link to see it.

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Urban Archipelagos

by @heymistermix.com|  November 21, 20243:02 pm| 141 Comments

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One of the places were Democrats didn’t perform as well as expected was the cities (certainly in swing states). This has sparked discussion about the housing crisis and NIMBYism hurting our chances there and in the future.

In 2004, Dan Savage, then-editor of the Seattle alt newspaper The Stranger, commissioned a piece on the role of cities in the future of the Democratic Party.  It likened cities to an “Urban Archipelago” — “islands of sanity, liberalism and compassion”:

For Democrats, it’s the cities, stupid—not the rural areas, not the prickly, hateful “heartland,” but the sane, sensible cities—including the cities trapped in the heartland. Pandering to rural voters is a waste of time. Again, look at the second map. Look at the urban blue spots in red states like Iowa, Colorado, and New Mexico—there’s almost as much blue in those states as there is in Washington, Oregon, and California. And the challenge for the Democrats is not just to organize in the blue areas but to grow them. And to do that, Democrats need to pursue policies that encourage urban growth (mass transit, affordable housing, city services), and Democrats need to openly and aggressively champion urban values. By focusing on the cities the Dems can create a tribal identity to combat the white, Christian, rural, and suburban identity that the Republicans have cornered. And it’s sitting right there, on every electoral map, staring them in the face: The cities.

So, obviously, a maximalist case for Democrats catering to city voters.  Anyway, Dan was interviewed by David Roberts for his podcast Volts:

David Roberts

Well, to once again draw a parallel, like Biden’s whole administration was devoted to policy meant to revive precisely those red areas of the country that have been hollowed out by globalization, et cetera, et cetera, minimum wage stuff and care stuff. Like Biden fought for those people and in response, they hated him. You know, like the working class in those areas, the white working class in those rural and exurban areas hated him like Satan. Even though on any sort of like tangible policy level, it was the most sort of like, you know, most working-class-friendly Democratic administration in years.

Dan Savage

And imagine, imagine if the same sort of investment and prioritization had been targeted at cities, not just during the Biden administration, but the Clinton administration, the Obama administration. There’s this constant sense that, well, these people out there in rural areas will come around if we just shoot enough ducks and pour enough money into their communities, and we can take for granted — one of the lessons, I think, from this, what we’re looking at from 2024 is that it was a mistake to take for granted the urban vote, which is also a way of taking for granted the votes of black and Hispanic people, queer people. Although LGBT people were one of the few sort of bright spots in this election where the Trump vote among LGBT fell from 2020, where it was an appalling, I think, 27% to just 12% in this election.

So, good on my fellow queers for recognizing the threat. But imagine if we had had the same campaign, not just of funding for the cities, building the cities, building public transportation in the cities that can alleviate people not of the freedom to own a car, but the burden of having to own a car, which is a form of anti-freedom, and building housing and poured money into the cities and encouraged in cities an identity among voters of “This is what Democrats do.” Democrats build big things and cities are big things that Democrats have built and are going to continue to build. And we haven’t done that.

One of Savage’s key arguments is that any kind of urban density leads to more Democrats: “you live in a very dense place and you get an immediate and very real sense of how interconnected we all are and reliant on each other we all are.”  If you accept that, then the last 20 years of urban non-development in cities has hurt Democrats.  Savage’s diagnosis:

The problem in cities is these twin pinchers between which our political “leaders” have been captured, which are these NIMBYs who tend to be white, tend to be wealthier homeowners who don’t want anything to change, who want to pull up the ladder behind them, who want to benefit from living in the city but never pay the price of living in a city, which is living with a certain amount of change and ferment and dynamism. […] But also the left, which misidentified development as the driver of gentrification and displacement, when it’s actually scarcity that is the driver of gentrification and displacement, that you can have density and development without gentrification and displacement if you don’t have scarcity. We have scarcity because that’s what the NIMBYs want, because it drives up their property values and it locks their neighborhoods in as these unchanging, frozen in amber Mayberry blocks like we have in Seattle, like the one I live on.

He thinks the cities are so far gone that the only way to get more housing is for states to cram multi-family housing laws down the throats of cities.

Worth a listen if you’re interested in the maximalist case for the role of cities in the future of the Democratic Party.  Also, related to the discussion of podcasts in this morning’s post, this one is packaged up the way it should be:  with a transcript.  I didn’t even listen to it, just read it.

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