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War for Ukraine Day 955: Russia Downs Its Own New Attack Drone Over Ukraine So the Ukrainians Can’t Get Their Hands On It

by Adam L Silverman|  October 5, 20247:58 pm| 21 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Iran, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Two quick housekeeping notes. First, Rosie is doing very well. Thank you for all the good thoughts, prayers, well wishes, and donations.

Second, the tropical wave/disturbance they were worried was going to form up where Helene did and basically follow Helene’s track up the gulf this weekend instead slowly meandered across the Yucatan and is now in the western Gulf of Mexico as Tropical Storm Milton. It is expected to track southwest to northeast across the gulf from where it is and make landfall somewhere in Florida as a category 3 hurricane sometime on Wednesday or Thursday. Unfortunately, by the time the forecasting and modeling tightens up it will be late Monday. So if you may be in the path of the storm, which is almost all of Florida, start making your plans now knowing you may have to adjust on the fly. At noon today it was supposed to make landfall between Sarasota and Bradenton. Now it is supposed to make landfall on St. Pete Beach and track diagonally across Pinellas County, through Tampa Bay, over Tampa, and then continue northeast across the state. We are well into the uncertainty part of the forecast at this point and they won’t know where the track will shift = north or south – until we are far, far, far too close to landfall.

Last night in comments UncleEbeneezer wrote:

Hey Adam, semi-tangent but sort of on topic: I recently went down a rabbit-hole about the Soviet Anti-Zionist propaganda campaigns from 1920’s-80’s, mostly reading the

GEC Special Report: More Than a Century of Antisemitism:

How Successive Occupants of the Kremlin Have Used Antisemitism to Spread Disinformation and Propaganda

As well as:
Demonization Blueprints: Soviet Conspiracist Antizionism in Contemporary Left-Wing Discourse by Izabella Tabarovsky and I was just curious (since this is right in your area of expertise) as to her reputation as an historian of Soviet AntiSemitism?  Is she reputable?  It all looks pretty legit to my untrained eye.  And it is wild to me to think that almost every major framing I’ve seen from the Left wrt Gaza over the past year (and sometimes Ukraine too), are rooted in an AntiSemitic propaganda campaign from the USSSR.  This seems like the sort of thing more people should be aware of.

Going in reverse order, I’ve bever heard of Tabarovksy. She appears to be a professional think tanker, bouncing from one to the next. Or at multiple ones at the same time. I know some people at the GEC and am professionally familiar with their work. It’s quality stuff. Thanks for bringing this to everyone’s attention.

Russia tried to attack Ukraine with it’s new S-70 Okhotnik heavy attack UAV/drone. When the Russians realized it was in danger, they shot it down themselves. Or they shout it down by mistake, with the Russians you can’t really tell. Anyhow, it landed in Ukraine near Konstantynivka, which means the Ukrainians are already doing exploitation operations.

Looks like Russia’s newest S-70 Okhotnik heavy attack UAV shot down near Kostiantynivka. The drone crashed in Ukrainian territory, meaning Ukraine and its allies will get as much as possible out of the wreckage. 1/ pic.twitter.com/2v0A2wFpfi

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) October 5, 2024

Okhotnik attack drone debuted on August 3, 2019, though many thought it was vaporware. It has a range of 6,000 km, carrying up to 2.8 tons of weapons and is supposed to work under the control of pilots of Su-57 jets pic.twitter.com/WkX2IJhWqD

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) October 5, 2024

No wonder everybody mistook it for a manned aircraft first pic.twitter.com/Xzy4agwHHQ

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) October 5, 2024

Ooopsie!

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Everything Outlined in the Victory Plan is Absolutely Realistic for Our Partners – Address by the President

5 October 2024 – 20:22

I wish you health, fellow Ukrainians!

Currently, our teams – of Ukraine and of the United States, the teams of our other partners are working on preparing the Ramstein – substantive decisions, and, in general, next week’s meetings and negotiations. And this week can be positive for our defense, for our vision of how the war should end. We will do everything for it, we will do it one hundred percent. We will do it effectively.

In the coming days, there will be political consultations between our teams: government officials and diplomats. The military will also speak on the content of the Victory Plan’s military points. This is something that can rather quickly strengthen Ukraine, Ukraine’s positions – primarily, our frontline. And everything outlined in the Plan is absolutely realistic for our partners. The world has this resource for reinforcement that will allow us to move forward according to the Peace Formula.

This is our goal, our task – to guarantee Ukraine reliable peace and long-term security. This is possible only based on international law and without any bargaining over sovereignty or trading territories. Exactly as envisaged by the Peace Formula. Ukraine needs peace – real and just – guaranteed protection from war. This is possible only from strong positions. And only when both our people and our partners are truly united. This is what we are working for. I thank everyone who is helping us, and who, just like us, is ready to make next week historic in many ways.

And one more thing. I want to acknowledge our warriors, who are also, in a way, preparing the next Ramstein. In other words, they demonstrate what Ukrainians are capable of when they have enough weapons and sufficient range. I want to thank all the warriors of the Special Operations Center “A” of the Security Service of Ukraine – all those who demilitarize Russian military facilities. I want to thank you, guys, for destroying Russian military logistics, and especially for hitting Russian military airfields. This is the most needed thing. Every destroyed Russian military base, every destroyed Russian airbase, every destroyed warehouse with aerial bombs saves the lives of Ukrainians and provides real support for the front. And we will keep convincing our partners that our drones alone are not enough. More decisive steps are needed – and the end of this war will be closer. I am sure of it!

Glory to Ukraine!

President @ZelenskyyUa

We are preparing for the 25th Ramstein meeting on October 12, which will be the first to take place at the leaders’ level.

We will present the Victory Plan—clear, concrete steps towards a just end to the war. The determination of our partners and the… pic.twitter.com/keSiIp8xeu

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) October 5, 2024

President @ZelenskyyUa

We are preparing for the 25th Ramstein meeting on October 12, which will be the first to take place at the leaders’ level.

We will present the Victory Plan—clear, concrete steps towards a just end to the war. The determination of our partners and the strengthening of Ukraine are what can stop Russian aggression.

We extend our gratitude to everyone who is helping to defend our state, Europe, and the entire world.

The problem that President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians face is that President Biden and his team are not really dictating the policy and strategy decisions here, Putin is. Yesterday, Andrew Exum, who was Obama’s last Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Middle East Policy, had an essay published at The Atlantic regarding President Biden, his team, and the relationship with Bibi and the Israelis. This bit is very accurate and very enlightening: (emphasis mine)

President Joe Biden’s actions over many months suggest that Israel can determine when and where the United States goes to war in the Middle East. That is unacceptable, and the next American president must change this dynamic.

In one framing, the past 12 months have witnessed a remarkable display of America’s might and resolve in the Middle East—especially relative to our principal adversary in the region, Iran. Since October of last year, Israel has severely degraded Iran’s two most important affiliates in the area, Hezbollah and Hamas. Iran has lashed out directly only twice, with one ballistic-missile assault in April and another this month—both largely neutralized by U.S., Israeli, and allied air and missile defenses.

The United States, in contrast with Iran, has backed its principal affiliate in the region, Israel, to the fullest extent. It has shipped billions of dollars of military equipment and munitions to Israel over the past 12 months, on top of the roughly $3.8 billion it already provides annually; shared sensitive intelligence to allow Israel to target Hamas’s senior leaders and recover its hostages; and repeatedly deployed its own troops to defend Israel from assault. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s assertions that Israel stands alone are at once laughable and insulting.

Yet few people in the Middle East, or at home, would view the United States as particularly strong at the moment in the region. The reason is that the Biden administration has made abundantly clear over the past year that it has chosen not to dictate the terms of its own Middle East policy. It has repeatedly allowed Netanyahu and the rest of Israel’s leadership to do so instead.

In April, Israel conducted an air strike in Damascus on a facility adjacent to the Iranian embassy. The United States received no warning about the strike; Biden and his advisers were caught unaware. The strike killed seven Iranian officers. Then Iran and its affiliates in the region launched a barrage of missiles at Israel. But the United States and several of its partners—most notably Jordan, France, the United Kingdom—helped blunt the attack with a coordinated display of air and missile defenses.

With that, a Rubicon had been quietly crossed. Israel had always boasted that a generous supply of U.S. arms allowed Israel to fight its own fights, and that no American soldier had ever been asked to fight Israel’s battles for it. But America has tens of thousands of troops semipermanently garrisoned in the region, in part to respond to contingencies involving Israel, and by interceding to thwart the missile attack, American troops were fighting directly on Israel’s behalf.

The same dynamic that Exum has described in regard to Israel is very similar to the one between the US and Ukraine. At one level the US, led by Biden and his senior natsec team look strong. They’ve added new members to NATO, they’ve sent a large amount of money and material to keep Ukraine from being overrun by Putin and Russia’s genocidal re-invasion. What they’ve also done is dribble support out with significant restrictions to prevent the war escalating. Biden and his team have let Bibi drive the US decision-making in regard to Israel and we have a similar situation regarding Ukraine. The difference is that Bibi freely gets to cross every one of Biden’s red lines, while Biden is too scared to cross any of Putin’s. The results, however, are the same. Decisions are being made for the US not in DC, but in Jerusalem and Moscow.

The other major difference is that President Zelenskyy is publicly very grateful for all the support, while Bibi has gone out of his way to repeatedly claim Israel is on its own, no one, not even the US supports it, etc.

Regardless, this is what President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians are up against. Until they can figure out how to win the fight with President Biden and his senior natsec team and get them to stop letting Putin dictate the terms of US support, they’re going to be stuck trying to grind this out with just enough support to not lose, but not enough to win.

Ben Hall of the Financial Times has more on this.

Welcome back. Ukraine has scaled back its war aims. Although it remains committed to recovering the lands seized by Russia over the past decade, it regrettably lacks the manpower, weaponry and western support to do it.

Ukraine’s new strategy — presented by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to US leaders last week — is to ask its allies to strengthen its hand, militarily and diplomatically, to bring Russia to the negotiating table.

Western diplomats and increasingly Ukrainian officials have come round to the view that meaningful security guarantees could form the basis of a negotiated settlement in which Russian retains de facto, but not de jure, control of all or part of the Ukrainian territory it currently occupies. I’m at [email protected]

Land for Nato membership
To be clear, neither Kyiv nor its supporters are proposing to recognise Russia sovereignty over the one-fifth of Ukrainian territory it has illegally grabbed since 2014. To do so would encourage further Russian aggression and severely undermine the international legal order.

What is envisaged is tacit acceptance that those lands should be regained through diplomatic means in the future. Even that, understandably, is a sensitive issue for Ukrainians, especially when presented as the basis of a compromise with Moscow. Ceding land to gain Nato membership may be the “only game in town”, as a western diplomat told us, but for Ukrainians it remains a taboo, in public at least.

What is being more openly discussed is the nature and timing of the security guarantees Ukraine will need to underpin a settlement.

In Washington Zelenskyy restated his pitch for accelerated membership of Nato.

The problem is the US is against moving beyond the agreed position of the alliance that Ukraine’s “future is in Nato”, that its accession is on an “irreversible path” and that it will be invited to join “when allies agree and conditions are met”. It fears that offering a mutual defence guarantee under the Nato treaty’s Article 5 before the war is over would simply draw in the US and its allies.

But some of Ukraine’s allies say this need not be the case. “There are ways of solving that,” Jens Stoltenberg, the Norwegian who stood down as Nato secretary-general this week, told my colleague Henry Foy in a farewell Lunch with the FT interview.

Stoltenberg pointed out that the security guarantees that the US provides to Japan do not cover the Kuril Islands, four of which Japan claims as its own but which are controlled by Russia after being seized by the Soviet Union in 1945.

He also cited Germany, which joined Nato in 1955, despite being divided. Only West Germany was covered by the Nato umbrella.

“When there is a will, there are ways to find the solution. But you need a line which defines where Article 5 is invoked, and Ukraine has to control all the territory until that border,” he said.

From Bonn to Kyiv
The West German model for Ukraine has been discussed in foreign policy circles for more than 18 months.

Dan Fried, a former US assistant secretary of state for Europe, was one of the first to make the argument in this piece for Just Security. Kurt Volker, a former US ambassador to Nato and Donald Trump’s special envoy for Ukraine, Stoltenberg’s predecessor Anders Fogh Rasmussen and FT contributing editor Ivan Krastev have made similar arguments.

The idea is also gaining traction in official circles.

“I don’t think that full restoration of control over the entire territory is a prerequisite,” Petr Pavel, the Czech president and a former Nato general, told Novinky a Právo newspaper.

“If there is a demarcation, even an administrative border, then we can treat [that] as temporary and accept Ukraine into Nato in the territory it will control at that time,” Pavel said.

Most proponents acknowledge that Moscow would hate this idea. Sceptics fear it could provoke an escalation. Nato membership would guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty and allow it to pursue its western orientation, goals that Russian leader Vladimir Putin is determined to destroy.

Perhaps the most persuasive argument came from the US cold war historian Mary Sarotte in this piece for Foreign Affairs.

Sarotte’s contention is that the terms of Nato membership can be adapted to suit individual circumstances. Norway pledged not to house a Nato base on its territory when it became a founding member. West Germany’s strategy was to make clear its borders were provisional. It had to tolerate division indefinitely but not accept it, and renounce the use of force to retake East Germany.

Ukraine should, she wrote, define a military defensible border, agree to not permanently station troops or nuclear weapons on its territory unless threatened with attack, and renounce use of force beyond that border except in self-defence.

Nato membership under these terms would be presented to Moscow as a fait accompli, Sarotte added. But there would still be an implicit negotiation: “instead of a land-for-peace deal, the carrot would be no [Nato] infrastructure for peace”.

The bear does the poking
Other analysts argue West Germany is a bad parallel because its borders, though provisional, were recognised by both sides. In Ukraine they are being fought over every day.

Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff, head of the German Council on Foreign Relations, told Foreign Policy’s Anchal Vohra last year “you have the potential of all kinds of problems emanating from the revisionism of both sides. For example, it will be up to Vladimir Putin to define Article 5, whether some of his poking falls below or above that threshold.’’

There is also the big question of whether the US, let alone its European allies, would be prepared to make the force commitments necessary to defend a Ukraine inside the alliance. While France has warmed to the idea of faster Ukraine Nato accession, German chancellor Olaf Scholz is firmly opposed, fearing his country could be drawn into another war against Russia.

In the US, the Biden administration has so far refused to budge on accelerating Kyiv’s membership. Would a Kamala Harris presidency treat it differently? Could Donald Trump imagine the West German model as part of his proposed “deal” to end the war? Could Zelenskyy sell it to his people?

There are many obstacles still on Kyiv’s Nato path. But the west patently lacks a strategy for Ukraine to prevail.

As Sarotte concludes, following the West German route “would be far preferable, for Ukraine and the alliance, than continuing to put off membership until Putin has given up his ambitions in Ukraine or until Russia has made a military breakthrough. This path would bring Ukraine closer to enduring security, freedom, and prosperity in the face of Russian isolation — in other words, towards victory.”

I can honestly tell you right now that what is being proposed above is not going to work. The Biden administration isn’t going to go for it. If Trump is reelected it will be irrelevant as he’ll cut Ukraine off from US aid and give Putin a green light to complete his genocidal re-invasion. We don’t really know what a Harris administration will do yet. Regardless, this isn’t going to fly in Ukraine. Right now a lot of EU member state leaders are hiding behind Biden and only stepping out into the sunlight, like Scholtz, on occasion.

If they do this, you know exactly where russia will test Article V. https://t.co/sxkehYpZqw

— SK Media🇺🇦 (@SpaghettiKozak) October 5, 2024

And that’s before we even begin to really focus on what we’d be condemning these occupied Ukrainians too:

And these are not all of the cities that Russian bombs have wiped off the map in Ukraine during Moscow’s full-scale invasion. Hundreds more cities, towns and villages have been reduced to rubble. And Russian forces are still pressing toward others like Pokrovsk… https://t.co/5FjrOiW7zF

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) October 5, 2024

The video of russians murdering a Ukrainian POW, unarmed and tortured, with his hands tied, should serve as a stark reminder to Western partners who want to normalize relations with russia at any cost: forcing Ukraine into capitulation will bring this terror much closer to you.

— Olena Halushka (@OlenaHalushka) October 4, 2024

The perpetual cycle when dealing with Putin and Russia. “You were right. We should have listened to you. But we are going to keep making the same mistake and still aren’t going to listen to you now.” https://t.co/WhX8JCIT1N

— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) October 5, 2024

I feel seen.

Robin Brooks at the Brookings Institution has been doing yeoman’s work documenting how Russia is evading sanctions via transshipment through the central Asian states, which is something we discussed would happen way back in March of 2022.

Thailand’s exports to Kyrgyzstan have started booming. The issue here isn’t Thai exports per se. The numbers involved are small. Instead, the issue is that every country in the world is doing this and it’s getting worse. When you add it all up, the transshipment racket is huge… pic.twitter.com/WHEz4q5fGE

— Robin Brooks (@robin_j_brooks) October 5, 2024

If you ever wondered what you’d have done to stop Hitler, you’re doing it now. https://t.co/utIyR79fC4

— Darth Putin (@DarthPutinKGB) October 5, 2024

And that’s not counting what is being sourced through North Korea:

Around half of the artillery shells used by Russia, approximately 3 million annually, come from North Korea, according to The Times. Despite many shells being considered defective, their sheer quantity has enabled Russia to make steady advances, including the capture of Vuhledar… pic.twitter.com/7inUyCqsB2

— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) October 5, 2024

Around half of the artillery shells used by Russia, approximately 3 million annually, come from North Korea, according to The Times. Despite many shells being considered defective, their sheer quantity has enabled Russia to make steady advances, including the capture of Vuhledar in Donetsk. In early 2024, during Putin’s visit to Pyongyang, a defense pact was signed between Russia and North Korea.

https://thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/north-korea-supplies-half-of-the-shells-used-by-russia-in-ukraine-d3fkhppjs

From The Sunday Times:

Half of the shells used by Russia — about three million a year — are being supplied by North Korea, according to western intelligence.

President Putin travelled to Pyongyang earlier this year to sign a defence pact with Kim Jong-un and the Kremlin has become dependent on the shuttered authoritarian state to maintain its advances in eastern Ukraine, intelligence sources say.

Although many of the shells are believed to be faulty, the sheer quantity has allowed Russia to make steady gains, most recently capturing the eastern Ukrainian city of Vuhledar.

Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s head of military intelligence, warned in September that shipments of North Korean shells were tilting the war in Russia’s favour. “Our biggest problem from all these allies of Russia is from North Korea. Because with the volume of military products that they supply, they actually affect the intensity of the fighting,” he said.

During the initial years of the war, Russia’s allies appeared reluctant to actively supply Moscow with weapons. However, Putin’s efforts to build an anti-western coalition appear to be paying off and are having an impact on the battlefield.

The Times revealed in September that Iran has shipped 200 ballistic missiles to Russia, while China has hosted and assisted a Russian defence company in building long-range drones. Western officials believe there is “clear evidence” that China is playing an increasingly active role.

Despite the recent gains, Russia is suffering a high casualty rate of 1,200 soldiers a day in Ukraine, western officials assessed. It includes 480 casualties a day in the battle for Pokrovsk, the key garrison town in Donetsk that looks increasingly vulnerable to Russian capture.

 

Here’s more on the Russians’ criminal treatment of Ukrainian POWs:

English subtitles included

— Nastya Stanko (@StankoNastya) October 4, 2024

Here’s the full video. I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet, but proceed as if it will have disturbing and graphic imagery.

Kherson:

#Kherson #DroneAttacks

Today,

🔴4 injured by a drone attack on an ambulance in a suburb

🔴A man, 55, killed by a drone

🔴Men, 59, 60, injured by a drone

🔴3 more injured

🔴An attack on a bus with 20 passengers, all civilians

🎥My report from a market today. pic.twitter.com/Zl6Wt13p0f

— Zarina Zabrisky 🇺🇸🇺🇦 (@ZarinaZabrisky) October 5, 2024

The Avdiivka-Pokrovsk Axis:

Russia’s equipment losses over the past year on the Avdiivka-Pokrovsk axis have been extraordinary. https://t.co/iX2vh3BZOO

— Rob Lee (@RALee85) October 4, 2024

Here’s more on the downed Russian heavy drone in Konstantynivka:

So Russia was, apparently, testing its supercool top-secret Inokhodets swarm-slave jet drone [“Russian Skyborg”] above the Donbas frontline but it went astray and kinda tried defecting to Ukraine🙃 so they killed it midair – with the debris falling in UA-controlled area. https://t.co/XFXoGlnC3x

— Alex Panchenko (@AlexPanchenko2) October 5, 2024

✈️💥A brief description of the entire incident with the crash of the Russian aircraft in one post:

About two hours ago, reports began to appear in both Ukrainian and Russian sources about the downing of an aircraft in the Konstantynivka area, Donetsk front.

Almost immediately… https://t.co/iG5vdbCb73 pic.twitter.com/A8f72z7fdh

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 5, 2024

✈️💥A brief description of the entire incident with the crash of the Russian aircraft in one post:

About two hours ago, reports began to appear in both Ukrainian and Russian sources about the downing of an aircraft in the Konstantynivka area, Donetsk front.

Almost immediately after this, in a short time, a number of photos and videos from the site of the wreckage followed. According to the published material, it became clear that this was a Russian aircraft that crashed on territory controlled by Ukraine.

However, at first, an erroneous conclusion was made that the wreckage belonged to a Su-25. A small detail that some immediately noticed was an atypical camouflage pattern that had not previously been seen on Russian Su-25s.

Then followed the publication of a number of videos by various sources showing that the aircraft was shot down by friendly Russian fire from another aircraft, as well as videos of the wreckage falling to the ground. The shape of the falling wreckage did not match the shape of the Su-25 fuselage.

As a result, with the publication of even more material and clearer photos of the wreckage, it was finally established that the downed aircraft was a Russian Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B stealth heavy unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV).

🧵More videos and photos of the crash site, moment of friendly fire incident and falling debris available in attached thread

/7. Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B – is a Russian stealth heavy unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV). It is known that only two of these were built. pic.twitter.com/FidKt0b3dU

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 5, 2024

Here’s the full text of the quoted tweet:

/6. Downed Russian aircraft was not a Su-25 but S-70 drone.

Russian sources associated with Russian military aviation confirm that it was a drone which was shot down in a friendly fire incident:

“All our planes and crews are home. Alive, healthy and safe. Well, the fact that we have one less drone, that happens. That’s what testing is for.”

And then there was one…

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Milton is looking for his stapler in Tampa Bay

by David Anderson|  October 5, 20246:01 pm| 149 Comments

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The National Hurricane Center is currently forecasting current Tropical Storm Milton to make a speed run east northeast across the Gulf of Mexico and hit somewhere near Tampa Bay as a Category 3 storm in the middle of the week.

National Hurricane Center forecast of TS Milton as of 1645 ET 10/5/2024

The forecasted landfall is Wednesday.

West Florida Jackals — start prepping now and be safe!

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Election 2024 Open Thread: The Closer

by Anne Laurie|  October 5, 20242:00 pm| 206 Comments

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OCTOBER SURPRISE: President Obama will campaign for VP Kamala Harris in Pittsburgh next week. That event will launch a larger effort by Obama, who intends to ramp up his campaigning for Harris across the battleground states in the final 27 days of the election. #HarrisWalz2024 pic.twitter.com/s88ktti41x

— Jon Cooper ???? (@joncoopertweets) October 4, 2024

Barack Obama will soon hit the campaign trail for Kamala Harris. https://t.co/o45OtnX8Ve

— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 4, 2024

Per the Washington Post, “Obama to campaign for Harris in month leading up to election”:

… Obama senior adviser Eric Schultz said in a news release that the former president is doing “everything he can to help elect Vice President Harris” and Democrats across the country.

“Now that voting has begun, our focus is on persuading and mobilizing voters, especially in states with key races,” Schultz said. “Many of these races are likely to go down to the wire and nothing should be taken for granted.”

Obama, the country’s first Black president, is the nation’s most popular Democrat and still wields considerable influence in his party. After President Joe Biden’s faltering debate performance against Donald Trump, Obama told allies that the president needed to reconsider whether his candidacy was viable. Obama and his wife, Michelle, endorsed Harris shortly after Biden left the presidential race and Harris became the presumptive nominee. Since then, the Obamas have said Harris represents a continuation of the same vision of America that helped Obama make history in 2008.

“If we work like we’ve never worked before, if we hold firm to our convictions — we will elect Kamala Harris as the next President of the United States,” Obama said at the Democratic National Convention in August. “We’ll elect leaders up and down the ballot who will fight for the hopeful, forward-looking America we all believe in.”…

Harris was an early supporter of Obama, traveling to Iowa during the 2008 campaign to knock on doors for him. The two of them have a relationship that stretches back two decades.

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Obama’s efforts so far on her behalf — fundraising content and events that feature him — have raised $76 million for the presidential campaign this cycle, in addition to events for various fundraising arms of the Democratic Party. Obama will participate in more of those activities in the coming month, and travel the country to mobilize voters for Harris and other Democrats.

Obama has played an increasingly active role in campaign efforts, including headlining a Los Angeles fundraiser last month that raised $4 million for Harris.

The announcement of Obama’s increased activity comes during a week that Harris’s campaign has touted several Republican endorsements, including by former congresswoman Liz Cheney. Many Democrats see the vice president as the natural inheritor of the multicultural, multiracial coalition that put Obama into office.

It’s about time.

He’s been doing fundraisers but let’s get him Georgia as well.

Also, I saw that Barack endorsed @DebbieforFL for the Senate race in Florida. Great!

I’d love a rally there with him and Kamala but idk if there’s time. This last stretch is gonna be a good one. ???? pic.twitter.com/ONUWEFob3W

— Renee ?? (@PettyLupone) October 4, 2024

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Saturday Open Thread – Family Stories

by WaterGirl|  October 5, 202410:40 am| 143 Comments

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Family stories.  The classics  Everybody’s got them, right?  The thing that was said that lives on, in infamy.  Or possibly glory!

Commenter  wjca told this one in the wee hours of the night last night, in a discussion about swearing.

Almost 3 years old younger brother, over some minor oops: “Damn it!”  Almost 5 years old me, with the authority of my superior years: “No, David, it’s  ‘God damn it!’.”

Mother, in the next room, suddenly realizing, with a bit of a shock,  that her language around us might need a bit of restraining,

Which made me think of the classic story of my niece, at the shoe store when she was 4 or 5 years old.

While trying on shoes, she managed to use nearly every form of the word fuck, properly conjugated.  Fuck.  Fucking.  Fuck it.

I think the original “fuck” was when she had trouble getting a shoe on.  “Fucking” was in reference to a problem with the zipper on her jacket.  I do not recall the context for “fuck it”.

I’m sure my sister was mortified, but I thought it was hysterically funny.

Similar to wjca’s story, it led to a conversation with my sister’s husband and what could and could not be said around the kitchen table when his friends were over after the kids were “asleep”.

Any family stores that you guys would like to share?

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Saturday Morning Open Thread: Putting in the Work, Relentlessy

by Anne Laurie|  October 5, 20245:37 am| 188 Comments

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"Our kids are watching…"
?? https://t.co/g0oEmPF3WB

— Wesley Bell (@WesleyBell4MO) October 4, 2024

President Joe Biden, in a rare appearance in the White House press briefing room, celebrated the suspension of a dockworkers strike and the latest U.S. jobs numbers. He also said he doesn't know whether Israel is holding up a peace deal to influence the election. pic.twitter.com/xLOhKVPaeZ

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 4, 2024

Marking 32 days left till Election Day with #32.

Great seeing you, @magicjohnson! https://t.co/VbrfuqVy9P pic.twitter.com/7sl9tA2Kf3

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) October 4, 2024

BREAKING: Pres. Biden says he is unsure if the election outcome will be "peaceful."

"I noticed the vice presidential Republican candidate did not say he'd accept the outcome of the election … I'm concerned about what they're going to do." https://t.co/kg0rBBA2gk pic.twitter.com/01uIkK5hP8

— ABC News (@ABC) October 4, 2024

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Strike averted. Strong jobs report. The future is bright. We're not going back. https://t.co/OdTFtMkiMA

— The prosecutor vs. the felon (@gdigitalzsmooth) October 4, 2024

Today, our ports are open. Dockworkers are poised for a record hourly wage increase, and critical supplies can keep moving in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene.

The agreement that made this possible demonstrates the power and importance of collective bargaining in America. pic.twitter.com/tVHXudcxUG

— Secretary Pete Buttigieg (@SecretaryPete) October 4, 2024

On January 6, Donald Trump incited an attack on our nation’s democracy because he didn’t like the outcome of the election. Armed with weapons and animated by Trump’s lies, insurrectionists invaded the United States Capitol in an attempt to overturn a lawful election.

The January… pic.twitter.com/hrqD3ptm7k

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) October 4, 2024

… The January 6 Committee exemplified a bipartisan effort to safeguard our democracy and preserve our most sacred freedoms for generations to come—led by Republicans like @Liz_Cheney
and @AdamKinzinger, who chose to put country over party—alongside Democrats.

The oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States is sacred and must always be upheld—never violated. The most fundamental question in this election is: Who will obey that oath?

I have sworn that oath to uphold the Constitution six times throughout my career—not only as Vice President or as a U.S. Senator, but also as the top law enforcement officer of the largest state in our country. I have never wavered in upholding that oath, and I have always executed it faithfully and without reservation.

Therein lies the profound difference between Donald Trump and me.

Anyone who, like Donald Trump, violates that oath—who recklessly tramples on our democratic values, who actively tries to overturn the will of the American people, or who has called for the “termination” of the Constitution—must never again stand behind the seal of the President of the United States.

The vast majority of us agree that upholding the Constitution must be a basic requirement we expect of anyone seeking the highest office in the land. Regardless of our political party, we believe that we must hold sacred America’s fundamental principles—from the rule of law to the peaceful transfer of power.

If you stand for country, democracy, and the rule of law—our campaign has a place for you.

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War for Ukraine Day 954: Sure Jan

by Adam L Silverman|  October 4, 20248:40 pm| 19 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Two quick housekeeping notes. First, Rosie is doing very well at the end of the week after her most recent treatment. Thank you for all the good thoughts, well wishes, prayers, and donation.

Second, it has been a long, draining week. Something from the hurricane seems to have broken most FloriDuhans’ brains and everyone is driving like its Death Race 2024 out there. I’m going to just run through the basics so I can go rack out.

The DOD Deputy Press Secretary held a briefing yesterday. Her remarks have not gone over well in Ukraine. Also, in my living room.

Q:  Thank you. So today, President Zelenskyy urged NATO allies to help intercept Iranian missiles and drones over Ukraine, as they do with Israel. Can the United States and allies help Ukraine with that? I mean since it’s possible Israel, why cannot it be done with Ukraine?

MS. SINGH:  So thank you for the question. While I appreciate the question, we are talking about two very different landscapes and battlefields. The president, at the very beginning of when Russia invaded Ukraine, has directed this department to provide Ukraine what it needs on the battlefield.

They have been very successful in employing, whether it be air defenses or other capabilities, to continue to take back their territory. The secretary just had a call with Mr. Umerov, getting that battlefield update, getting to better understand what other capabilities they might need, if any. The president has made a commitment that the United States is not putting boots on the ground into Ukraine, but we are supporting Ukraine in their efforts to take back their sovereign territory.

Q:  Well, shooting those targets, say from Polish or Romanian territory, would that be putting boots on the ground?

MS. SINGH:  That would be involving us in a war in a different way. And right now, we feel that Ukraine has been able to successfully defend against Russian strikes to their cities, to their populations, to their infrastructure. And we’re going to continue to make sure that they have the support that they need to do that.

Then, give the Ukrainians the damned guns and permissions to defend themselves! Most of the thousands of relevant weapons and platforms in Western armies will never be used & end up as scrap metal. This stuff was once built to fight the Russian army & can now be used accordingly. https://t.co/jLIsdK6u7H

— Andreas Umland (@UmlandAndreas) October 4, 2024

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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We Have Decisions to Support the Sumy Region, and More Separate Meetings Will Be Held on the Energy Sector of This and Our Other Border Regions – Address by the President

4 October 2024 – 18:28

I wish you good health, fellow Ukrainians!

Today – the Sumy region, regional work. I held a meeting of the Staff here, and the main issue is the defense of our infrastructure, our energy sector – the operation of air defense. There was a report from our military – the Air Force, the East Command, as well as a report from the Minister of Energy; we had representatives of state energy companies, heads of all levels of the vertical between the Government and communities. We have decisions to support the region, and more separate meetings will be held on the energy sector of the Sumy and our other border regions. Before winter, the most important thing is a resilience reserve. There were reports from the Head of the Security Service of Ukraine, our law enforcement officials. The report by Commander-in-Chief Syrskyi on the frontline – this is the Donetsk directions, this is the Kharkiv region, this is the South of the state, the border area, the Kursk region. I visited our warriors taking part in the Kursk operation – the 82nd brigade. I honored them with state awards. I am proud of the bravery of all our guys, our warriors! And it is very important to understand that the Kursk operation is a really strategic thing, one that adds motivation to our partners, adds motivation to stand with Ukraine, to be more determined and put pressure on Russia – to put pressure in a way that can help us to end the war fairly. Today, also here, in the Sumy region, I met with the heads of communities and thanked them for staying in their regions; they are with their people, and they really care and worry about the Sumy region and all of Ukraine. We talked about things that can support all of us – our defense, our people. A particularly emotional meeting was with educators: this Sunday is Education Workers’ Day. I personally thanked them – our teachers, lecturers, heads of educational institutions from the Sumy region, the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Poltava regions, who were right here today. And all over Ukraine, in all regions, absolutely selfless people really give us hope for the future. When education works, when children, students have the opportunity to study, it means that the country will live, and the children of Ukraine will have a normal life when they grow up.

I want to thank all those who are in Ukraine, with Ukraine, who fight and work for our state, who educate our children, who preserve our Ukrainian culture. We will definitely defend Ukraine! I thank our Sumy region!

Glory to Ukraine!

President Zelenskyy was in Sumy to do a battlefield circulation.

Сьогодні розпочав поїздку на Сумщину із зустрічі з нашими воїнами – хлопцями, які бʼються на Курщині, захищаючи наші прикордонні регіони і всю державу. 82-га бригада. Заслухав доповідь командира, відзначив наших бійців.

Дякую за службу, за захист нашої держави. Дякую всім… pic.twitter.com/iTywAXKtsi

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) October 4, 2024

Today, I began my visit to the Sumy region with a meeting with our warriors—the guys who are fighting in the Kursk region, defending our border areas and the entire state. The 82nd Brigade. I received a report from the commander and presented awards to our soldiers.

I am grateful for their service and for defending our country. I thank all the commanders, sergeants, and soldiers for the Kursk operation, which has greatly helped us in motivating those who supply us with weapons support packages.

I held another Staff meeting in the Sumy region, focusing on two key issues that are closely related in this region, as well as in other frontline areas: air defense and energy. I received a report from Acting Commander of the Air Force Anatolii Kryvonozhko and Commander of the… pic.twitter.com/YlxYuIoxef

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) October 4, 2024

I held another Staff meeting in the Sumy region, focusing on two key issues that are closely related in this region, as well as in other frontline areas: air defense and energy. I received a report from Acting Commander of the Air Force Anatolii Kryvonozhko and Commander of the East Air Force Command Ivan Terebukha on the measures the Air Force is taking to strengthen the defense of the Sumy region specifically, other border regions, and the entire country.

I also heard from energy sector officials, including Minister German Galushchenko, about the restoration of power supply in Sumy and the surrounding communities, the further protection of generation and distribution facilities, and the preparation of backup equipment for the winter.

Additionally, I received a report from Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi. Earlier today, we visited the heroic 82nd Brigade together. During the Staff meeting, the Commander-in-Chief briefed me on the overall frontline situation, the most challenging directions, the course of the Kursk operation, the supply of equipment and ammunition to the frontlines, and the manning of the brigades.

Суми. Відвідав наших воїнів, які лікуються після поранень, поспілкувався з ними та відзначив державними нагородами.

Дякую за службу! Дякую за те, що захищаєте нашу державу, за всі кроки для захисту України! Дякую медиками за те, що вони рятують життя наших воїнів! pic.twitter.com/NWjbY5MFLt

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) October 4, 2024

In Sumy, I visited our warriors, who are recovering from wounds, spoke with them, and presented them with state awards.

I am grateful for their service, for protecting our country, and for every step they take to defend Ukraine. I also thank the medical staff for saving the lives of our brave soldiers.

Dracarys!

Truly unique combat footage: a “dragon” drone spews molten thermite on russian tank and destroys it.

📹: 30th Mechanized Brigade pic.twitter.com/gPPQ8mMmXz

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) October 4, 2024

This is interesting:

“Nothing will stop until Ukraine collapses […] It’s difficult now even to mention the idea of peace—anyone saying such a thing will be made to shut up.”

Another must-read from @faridaily_ and @mtovkaylo on the darkening mood in Moscow over Ukrainehttps://t.co/lV4Vkl28mB

— max seddon (@maxseddon) October 4, 2024

From FariDaily:

Those close to Russian President Vladimir Putin do not expect the war in Ukraine to end anytime soon, according to multiple sources in the upper echelons of the Russian government. The Russian elite increasingly sees peace talks as a distant prospect, believing Ukraine’s seizure of territory in Kursk region has been a big blow to Putin’s self-regard.

“It’s all gone too far. I don’t believe there will be any sort of peace process. Nothing will stop until Ukraine collapses,” said the head of a large state-owned company in Russia who is in regular contact with Putin.

The darkening of the mood in Moscow comes as Russian forces continue with a bloody offensive in eastern Ukraine. While territorial gains have come at a high cost, Russia recently seized the strategic town of Vuhledar, which has been the scene of intense fighting since the start of the full-scale invasion in 2022.

Those who support peace talks with Ukraine in the Russian elite are now very much in the minority, according to sources. Before the attack on Kursk region, there was greater support for negotiations, said one official who is under Western sanctions. “It’s difficult now even to mention the idea of peace—anyone saying such a thing will be made to shut up,” he added.

According to another official who meets regularly with Putin, the chance of peace talks would diminish even further if the West gives permission for Kyiv to launch long-range Western missiles at Russian territory—something Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is seeking. “This would be a big escalation,” he said.

More at the link.

The now former NATO Secretary General:

“If there’s anything I in a way regret and see much more clearly now is that we should have provided Ukraine with much more military support much earlier,” Stoltenberg says, speaking slowly and carefully. “I think we all have to admit, we should have given them more weapons… https://t.co/iViTGdGqNu

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) October 4, 2024

“If there’s anything I in a way regret and see much more clearly now is that we should have provided Ukraine with much more military support much earlier,” Stoltenberg says, speaking slowly and carefully. “I think we all have to admit, we should have given them more weapons pre-invasion. And we should have given them more advanced weapons, faster, after the invasion. I take my part of the responsibility.”

As difficult as it may seem, Zelensky is right to push for NATO membership. Without it, or security guarantees in the form of a military alliance, freezing the current front line will be much worse for Ukraine. The war is unsustainable, but the offered alternative is far worse

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) October 4, 2024

France:

France will supply 12 more Caesar self-propelled guns to Ukraine. https://t.co/dzx65mwi2T pic.twitter.com/A7M5muKgr7

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 4, 2024

Here’s the machine translation of the French Defense Minister’s quoted tweet:

On the sidelines of the industrial forum organized in Kiev, yesterday @KNDS_France signed a contract to supply 12 CAESAR cannons financed by Ukraine.

The increase in the production capacity of our defense industry allows us to support Ukraine.

Kharkiv:

There were at least two explosions in Kharkiv a couple of minutes ago‼️The russian glide bombs again.

— Kate from Kharkiv (@BohuslavskaKate) October 4, 2024

Enerhodar, Zaporizhzhia Oblast:

In Enerhodar, a car explosion targeted collaborator and war criminal Andriy Korotkyi, who served as the “head of physical security” at the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, according to Ukraine’s intelligence agency. Korotkyi had been involved in organizing repressive… pic.twitter.com/vzfO26BPwe

— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) October 4, 2024

In Enerhodar, a car explosion targeted collaborator and war criminal Andriy Korotkyi, who served as the “head of physical security” at the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, according to Ukraine’s intelligence agency. Korotkyi had been involved in organizing repressive measures against Ukrainians in occupied territory. After the ZNPP was seized, he cooperated with Russian forces, providing them with lists of plant employees, including pro-Ukrainian individuals, and was a member of Putin’s United Russia party.

That’ll buff right out.

Horlivka, Donetsk Oblast:

A drone struck the building of the occupation administration in Horlivka, Donetsk region. pic.twitter.com/BC5JygDau1

— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) October 4, 2024

Gomel Oblast, Belarus:

/2. Belarusian special services detained a resident whose CCTV camera captured the moment of the explosion of the Shahed launched by Russians in Belarus pic.twitter.com/fh5sTfHskm

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 4, 2024

Belgorod Oblast, Russia:

Drone attack reported on Russian targets in the village of Peschanka, Belgorod region. 100km from the frontline. Loud explosion on 0:47 pic.twitter.com/GdEy90ATaq

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 4, 2024

Strike on a Russian 96L6 radar of the S-400 air defense system, with what appears to be a loitering munition. Belgorod region. https://t.co/iyceqKLSLC pic.twitter.com/aHRgk3Vx3D

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 4, 2024

Perm and Voronezh Oblasts, Russia:

Two Russian oil depots were attacked by drones overnight. A fire broke out at both in the Perm region and in Voronezh pic.twitter.com/dDuxOgr5LT

— Kate from Kharkiv (@BohuslavskaKate) October 4, 2024

Another Russian oil depot is on fire, this time near Perm, at approx. 57.916204, 56.122084, which is almost 1,500 km from nearest Ukrainian-controlled territory. Reason for fire, which has spread to 10,000 square meters, is unclear. pic.twitter.com/dlQTWZuuAe

— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 4, 2024

https://t.co/w20pERn1OM https://t.co/CU4u3CT501

— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 4, 2024

In the Voronezh region of Russia, in particular, in the Anninsky district, an oil depot exploded. In the video, you can really see the explosion and hear the sound of the UAV flight.

I added English subtitles to the shocked Russian comments😜 pic.twitter.com/SOnoRVr4tE

— Devana 🇺🇦 (@DevanaUkraine) October 3, 2024

That’s enough for tonight.

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Amid war, children in Ukraine find comfort and solace in animal friends. #WorldAnimalDay

UNICEF’s psychosocial support provided canine-assisted therapy. Youth-led UPSHIFT projects have supported animal shelters.

And our Goodwill Dog @PatronDsns protects children from mines!🐶 pic.twitter.com/DAPKW1GKpx

— UNICEF Ukraine (@UNICEF_UA) October 4, 2024

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