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GOP baffled that ‘we don’t care if you die’ is not a winning slogan.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

If you are still in the gop, you are either an extremist yourself, or in bed with those who are.

That meeting sounds like a shotgun wedding between a shitshow and a clusterfuck.

Stay strong, because they are weak.

No Kings: Americans standing in the way of bad history saying “Oh, Fuck No!”

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

It’s a good piece. click on over. but then come back!!

A tremendous foreign policy asset… to all of our adversaries.

75% of people clapping liked the show!

Disappointing to see gov. newsom with his finger to the wind.

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

Second rate reporter says what?

There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

So very ready.

When we show up, we win.

“Just close your eyes and kiss the girl and go where the tilt-a-whirl takes you.” ~OzarkHillbilly

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

Everybody saw this coming.

The willow is too close to the house.

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

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NYC Meetup Proof of Life

by WaterGirl|  September 16, 20247:07 pm| 36 Comments

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Right to left: Jayne, Arrieve, Layer8Problem, NotMax, JAFD, Tom Q.

 

Saw this view from outside the main library in Mom’s town and it struck me as Betty Creckerish.

Two views from Mom’s Third (top) floor balcony, one an endview and the other looking across the street. Trees galore!

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Monday Evening Open Thread: ‘Sparklepants’ Lowry Steps on His… Tongue

by Anne Laurie|  September 16, 20246:09 pm| 105 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Republicans in Disarray!

Here’s racist-ass Rich Lowry on racist-ass Megyn KKKelly’s “show” saying the N-word with the hard R. That’s not a word someone accidentally blurts out unless they use it on a regular basis. And knowing who he is, that tracks. pic.twitter.com/nXswy6pKFg

— 😱 Scary Larry 😱 🇺🇦✊🏻🇺🇸🗽 (@aintscarylarry) September 16, 2024

Well, he wouldn’t have been my first bet, but the National Review editor who became internet famous for sharing his excitement that ‘I think Sarah Palin just winked at me, through the tv!’ got caught on video explaining (to professional bigot Megyn Kelly) ‘… Only two Springfield residents calling to complain about Haitian [N-word]… ah, migrants taking geese from ponds… ‘

(MAGAt response is that he said ‘migger’, but both #RichLowry and #HardR are currently trending on Twitter.)

What’s actually interesting about the discussion, IMO, is that the professional Wingnut Wurlitzer has decided to double down on the ‘Americans are worried about their pets, their dogs and cats, but not the geese, ha ha ha!’

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Frequent New York Times Contributor Rich Lowry (Derogatory) https://t.co/pC0V1HlkxH

— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) September 16, 2024

Maybe Lowry can team up with Chaya Raichik, do a ‘fact-finding’ mission…

So weird that Trump's campaign started driving bomb threats against elementary schools as soon as he hired the bomb threat against elementary schools people https://t.co/b2SlVCpL8b pic.twitter.com/kjpnk6DQUd

— Ari Drennen 🍏🌴 (@AriDrennen) September 16, 2024

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Two Americas Is Right

by WaterGirl|  September 16, 20243:49 pm| 181 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics

Is this getting much play?  It was bad enough when he screwed with the satellite system in Ukraine.

The guy gets away with everything, including undermining democracy.

So fucking frustrating!

https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1835661394147946934

Open thread.

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Balloon Juice Operation Blue Arizona

by WaterGirl|  September 16, 202412:15 pm| 58 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Open Threads, Political Action, Political Fundraising 2021-22, Targeted Political Fundraising 2023-24

By now, you’ve probably spotted two predominant targets of our strategic GOTV fundraising this cycle:  1) the newly-energized youth vote, and 2) the fast-growing swing states of Arizona and North Carolina.  After the last census, Michigan and Pennsylvania (and even California) each lost one electoral vote.  North Carolina gained an electoral vote (16 votes).  Arizona held steady at 11.

Arizona and North Carolina are the future.  Both are rapidly growing and diversifying and attracting domestic and international migration.  Our efforts are about November 2024, but they are also an investment in the future.

Today, in what I think of as the second-to-last leg of our fundraising, we are kicking off Operation Blue Arizona!

This eleventh-hour push is to get additional boots on the ground with two of our great partners in the Grand Canyon State and help fund candidates that could flip the state Legislature, flip two Republican Congressional seats, change the makeup of the State Supreme Court and protect the integrity of the vote in the crucial County of Maricopa (Phoenix).

Four Directions Arizona

Four Directions needs little introduction here.  They’ve mastered the art of paid relational organizing in Indian Country.  Relational organizing is the best strategy out there to reach otherwise unreachable voters – through their friends and family.   Four Directions already has the infrastructure set up and rolling on Arizona’s reservations – our contributions will provide stipends for additional workers to get out the vote in the community.   Arizona’s native community represents over 5% of the state’s population, and the Native vote exceeds the margins of victory in previous elections.  Remember, Joe Biden won Arizona by just 10,500 votes in 2020!


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Worker Power

Worker Power has grown in size and sophistication since we first supported them in Arizona and Georgia in 2022.  But they still need us.

We’re helping underwrite a team of well-trained paid canvassers in two strategic state Legislative districts in the Tucson area – the critical counties of Pima and Pinal are the primary focus of our Worker Power Fall GOTV team.

This is a strategic trifecta:  supporting Harris, flipping a vulnerable Congressional seat (Ciscomani) and helping retain and flip legislative seats that could cost the Republicans their narrow majority in the State House.  Worker Power has a goal of hiring 500 canvassers to knock on 1.3 million doors in AZ this cycle.


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Our Arizona Candidates

 – 2 Congressional candidates

 – 4 State Legislative incumbents/challengers

 – Maricopa County Recorder

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U.S. Congress

Amish Shah. Shah is an emergency room physician and State Representative who is taking on perpetually vulnerable Republican Congressman David Schweikert.  Schweikert retained his seat by only 3,000 votes in 2022.  Shah is running on protecting Medicare, border security and reproductive freedom.  Shah had to survive a primary in August, and needs the cash.

Kirsten Engel.  This is a rematch between first term Republican Congressman Juan Ciscomani and challenger Kirsten Engel.  In 2022, he won by only 1.5% in an off-year election.  Engel is currently ahead in fundraising, but insiders in AZ warn of an upcoming Republican money bomb.

Arizona State Legislature

  • Republicans control the state Senate 16-14
  • Republicans control the House 31-29.
  • A Democratic flip will protect voting rights.
  • The state Republican party is batshit crazy and in total disarray.

While there are any number of potential candidates to support, we’re targeting four candidates in Legislative Districts 16 and 17 (Tucson and Casa Grande), where the Worker Power team we’re helping support is canvassing.

Keith Seaman:  Keith was a retired teacher and Legislator who was so outraged by Dobbs that he ran for a Republican state seat in 2022 and won.  Barely.  This is our only retention play.

Stacy Seaman:  Stacy is Keith’s daughter, a school teacher running to flip a House Republican seat.  The Seaman family is well known and respected in Pinal County (Casa Grande).

Kevin Volk:  Kevin is a young Tucson native, former intern for Gabby Giffords and started a small business owner focused on building affordable housing.  Another potential flip.

John Mclean:  John is a retired CEO, running for Senate on reproductive rights and fiscal responsibility, against a dangerous Republican.

Maricopa County Recorder

Tim Stringham (former JAG officer)

The office of Maricopa County Recorder is arguably Arizona’s second most important election protection official.  The Recorder oversees elections in Arizona’s most populous County, with over 60% of the state’s population.  The Republican is  a notorious election denier who refuses to debate the Democratic candidate we’re supporting.


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AZ State Supreme Court & Protecting Abortion Rights

All seven justices were appointed by Republicans. Two of them (Bolick and King) are up for a ‘retention election.’  If they’re recalled, their replacement is appointed by the Democratic Governor (from a list supplied by a commission.  So there is no challenger candidate to support.  However, we found a group focused on the recall called “Protect Abortion Rights No Retention Bolick and King.”  We did not have time to vet them to the extent that we usually do, but here’s their website for you to make up your own mind.


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Who aren’t we supporting?

Ruben Gallego, who doesn’t need our money.

Jonathan Nez, who is Native American and well-known in the Native community, as he was the former President of the Navajo Nation and because his congressional race is a total long shot.

We’ll revisit other possible AZ legislative candidates later.

Whats at Stake?  (besides everything!)

  • 11 electoral votes for Harris
  • 2 flipped US House seats
  • Democratic majority in the AZ House instead of Republicans control
  • Democratic majority in the AZ Senate instead of Republicans control
  • a possible AZ democratic trifecta (governor, state House and state Senate)

Let’s do this!

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Open Thread: WTF NYC?

by TaMara|  September 16, 202411:11 am| 213 Comments

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So far, there are no campaign events for either Harris or Walz scheduled to be live-streamed. If that changes and I’m around, I’ll post.

Meanwhile, what the hell is going on in the Adams administration?

👥 Readers added even more context

What started as the arrest of a fare-beater ended up with four people being shot, all by a single police officer. Yet the early headlines made the public believe there was a shootout on train when that’s not what happened at all.

Then the…

— urban myths, legends (@urbanmyths) September 16, 2024

Screenshot of that full tweet so you don’t have to click over, unless you want to weigh in on deporting Elon since that’s trending on the hellscape:

Open Thread: WTF NYC?

 

Wasn’t Maya Wiley his opponent? Seems that might have been a better choice.

A 49-year-old bystander remained in critical condition Monday, one of two passengers hit by police bullets when NYPD officers opened fire on a subway platform in Brooklyn during a confrontation with an alleged fare-beater a day ago.

The 49-year-old was hit in the head. A 26-year-old woman, another bystander, also was grazed. A police officer was wounded, too. All shots were believed to be fired by the NYPD, authorities have said.

The two officers who opened fire were assigned to patrol the Sutter Avenue subway stop in the 73rd precinct when they spotted a man skip the station turnstile and walk through an open gate toward the train platform, Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey explained at a Sunday evening press conference from Brookdale Hospital.

The uniformed duo followed the alleged fare-beater up the stairs to the elevated L train platform around 3 p.m., when they gave him commands to stop and turn around. Maddrey said during a verbal altercation, they “became aware of a knife.”

Body-worn camera footage, which Maddrey said he reviewed before the press conference, allegedly showed the man make a verbal threat to the officers. He told the cops, “I’m going to kill you if you don’t stop following me,” the chief said.

As the encounter continued to escalate, a northbound L train pulled into the station. The train cars opened and the man jumped inside, according to police.

Maddrey said the officers followed the man, each firing a Taser which proved ineffective in subduing the man. He then exited the train while it was still at the station and charged the officers with the knife, the chief said.

Video and updates at the link.

I know nothing about NYC politics, so residents weigh in, but this doesn’t seem good:

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@CNN  New York City Mayor Eric Adams’s administration is unraveling.

Late Saturday night, the mayor abruptly announced the resignation of his top lawyer and most ardent public defender. Days earlier, his police commissioner stepped down under pressure as a quartet of federal probes targeting numerous members of Adams’s inner circle hits a boil.

The stunning departure of chief counsel Lisa Zornberg, a former federal prosecutor, opened up a new and troubling chapter in the political and legal crisis now gripping City Hall.

“I am tendering my resignation, effective today,” Zornberg wrote in a short letter, “as I have concluded that I can no longer effectively serve in my position.” Adams in a statement thanked her and said he would name a temporary replacement in the coming days.

“These are hard jobs and we don’t expect anyone to stay in them forever,” Adams added in a bid to downplay the remarkable nature of Zornberg’s decision.

Edward Caban, Sheena Wright and Philip Banks III.

Related articleFederal investigators seized phones at the homes of several top aides to NYC Mayor Eric Adams, according to sources

Adams has been fending off allegations that corruption and malfeasance permeate the highest ranks of his administration for months, first stemming from an active federal investigation into corruption and illegal campaign donations linked to Turkey and foreign travel, according to a source familiar with the matter. Adams is now entering an already fraught 2025 re-election bid under the cloud of at least four separate federal investigations – a political and legal onslaught that New York Democrats broadly expect to ramp up in the coming weeks and months.

Adams has not been accused of any wrongdoing and the administration has said it will cooperate with all investigations.

Brian Blais, a former assistant US attorney for the Southern District of New York, spoke to CNN about the potential problems Adams could face.

“If campaign finance related charges are brought, or FARA (foreign agent registration act) charges relating to acting as an agent of the Turkish government, or bribery charges to the extent he was taking favorable actions in exchange for those campaign contributions, those are all serious charges, and those carry significant consequences,” said Blais.
“There’s at least some real degree of legal peril for the mayor.”

The growing probes – underscored by increasingly aggressive tactics from prosecutors, who stopped Adams on the street last year to seize his phone – also signal mounting political trouble for the retired police captain who outlasted a crowded field of Democrats in 2021 on his way to winning the city’s top job. Even before he was elected, Adams embraced the national media spotlight, declaring himself the “face of the new Democratic Party” and, after being invited to the White House, described himself as “the Biden of Brooklyn.”

But the luster quickly faded. First with Biden, after Adams publicly criticized the president’s handling of the border and a migrant crisis that hit hard in New York. The mayor’s reputation for enjoying the nightlife – at the expense, Adams’s critics say, of his day job – and repeated clashes over city spending, especially on education, dimmed his political star.

Adams’s political troubles, though, have been magnified and multiplied by the federal probes, which are picking up pace as the 2024 political season heats up.

Investigators in the Southern District of New York have been circling Adams and his administration for nearly a year. Last November, the mayor’s chief fundraiser was raided by FBI agents. Days later, Adams himself was presented with a federal search warrant for his electronics. That remarkable escalation by federal prosecutor Damian Williams was followed by a period of relative quiet until last week, when FBI officials issued search warrants and showed up at the homes of several Adams administration officials.   Read the entire article here.

I’m off to see clients. I’m sure there are other things to talk about, so Open Thread

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Monday Morning Open Thread: They’re Off

by Anne Laurie|  September 16, 20248:47 am| 222 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Kamala Harris for President, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Venality, Republicans in Disarray!

Monday Morning Open Thread:  They're Off

(Walt Handelsman via GoComics.com)

 
Irritated memes about the self-described ‘undecided voters’ are erupting from all points of the political spectrum, and no sooner than time.

Speaking of which: I checked — we’ve got two more weeks before the Walz / Vance debate (assuming Vance is still the GOP’s candidate by then). There will be many, many chances for JD and his fans and also the guys working for his presumptive boss (who I suspect are no longer Vance fans, if ever they were) to produce evidence of just how far they’re off…

The VP debate is fast approaching, and Springfield will indeed be in the spotlight on that debate stage. JD Vance, including all his extreme beliefs and lies, will be crushed beyond all recognition. Tim Walz will destroy Trump, Vance, and the entire GOP cult—and Vance will have… pic.twitter.com/FMlrGUfRLo

— Stephanie Kennedy (@WordswithSteph) September 14, 2024

If I have to cause a little terrorism (and ruin some lives) among my own constituents to own the libs, then that's what I'm going to do.

Just so fundamentally disqualifying. https://t.co/21p0EIerxk

— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) September 15, 2024

I've been around these premises long enough that you hopefully won't mistake me for woke, but the Haitian immigrant stuff is profoundly racist and you should substantially lower your esteem for anybody engaging in it.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 15, 2024

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Considering how unpopular JD Vance was even before leading this racist smear campaign, I don’t think Democrats are making enough of the fact that Trump is 78 and Vance would be a “heartbeat away from the presidency,” as they used to say about Palin when McCain was *72* https://t.co/O6mvivUGYP

— Dan Amira (@DanAmira) September 15, 2024

If DeWine is talking like this, I think it's safe to say that Trump and Vance have gone way too far, this issue is good for the Democrats despite immigration polling, and the Dems should be much more vociferously attacking the GOP ticket for launching a racist smear campaign pic.twitter.com/lLM8p5Y4In

— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 15, 2024

Walz should consider cancelling the debate with Vance.

Vance would use his time on a national stage to slander minorities, further poison the national discourse, and incite potential violence with lies.

Walz could rebut Vance's falsehoods. But why risk the further incitement?

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) September 15, 2024

I don’t really understand how talking about immigrants eating pets is a helpful distraction from the disastrous debate, because the most disastrous thing about the debate was when Trump started ranting about immigrants eating pets https://t.co/acUg5AARqP

— Typos of the New York Times (@nyttypos) September 15, 2024

And speaking of OFF, it won’t happen, but Somebody really needs to have his citizenship revoked…

The DoJ is going to have to stop clutching its pearls about accusations of election interference and deal with the three biggest stochastic terrorists in America: Donald Trump, JD Vance and this guy. https://t.co/a0XpOrTzk2

— Ragnarok Lobster 🐺 (@eclecticbrotha) September 16, 2024

This warrants both a visit from the Secret Service and a Senate hearing, given that he's a major defense and national security contractor pic.twitter.com/BxW6Ws6MpZ

— Brandon Friedman (@BFriedmanDC) September 16, 2024

Elon has been in America for more than 30 years and still hasn't fully assimilated.

— Daily Trix (@DailyTrix) September 16, 2024

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Cold Grey Dawn Reality Open Thread: “We” Will Not Colonize Mars

by Anne Laurie|  September 16, 20244:48 am| 103 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Grifters Gonna Grift, Space

spoiler alert! https://t.co/RVjX6Ru4H4

— Albert Burneko (@AlbertBurneko) September 11, 2024

Since this magisterial takedown was discussed in our last installment… Here’s Albert Burneko, at Defector — “Neither Elon Musk Nor Anybody Else Will Ever Colonize Mars”:

Mars does not have a magnetosphere. Any discussion of humans ever settling the red planet can stop right there, but of course it never does. Do you have a low-cost plan for, uh, creating a gigantic active dynamo at Mars’s dead core? No? Well. It’s fine. I’m sure you have some other workable, sustainable plan for shielding live Mars inhabitants from deadly solar and cosmic radiation, forever. No? Huh. Well then let’s discuss something else equally realistic, like your plan to build a condo complex in Middle Earth.

OK, so you still want to talk about Mars. Fine. Let’s imagine that Mars’s lack of a magnetic field somehow is not an issue. Would you like to try to simulate what life on Mars would be like? Step one is to clear out your freezer. Step two is to lock yourself inside of it. (You can bring your phone, if you like!) When you get desperately hungry, your loved ones on the outside may deliver some food to you no sooner than nine months after you ask for it. This nine-month wait will also apply when you start banging on the inside of the freezer, begging to be let out.

Congratulations: You have now simulated—you have now died, horribly, within a day or two, while simulating—what life on Mars might be like, once you solve the problem of it not having even one gasp worth of breathable air, anywhere on the entire planet. We will never live on Mars.

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Let’s discuss the breathable-air problem. Earth’s atmosphere is rich with oxygen due in large part to all of the green plants photosynthesizing here. We got green plants out the ass. Some people have the idea that making Mars’s atmosphere breathable is as simple as introducing some green plants to it: They will eat up sunlight and produce oxygen, and then people can breathe it. That is uhhhhh the circle of life (?) or whatever. They call this idea “terraforming.”

At this point in our discussion I must acquaint you with two dear friends of mine. Their names are The South Pole, and The Summit Of Mount Everest…

Life on earth writ large, the grand network of life, is a greater and more dynamic terraforming engine than any person could ever conceive. It has been operating ceaselessly for several billions of years. It has not yet terraformed the South Pole or the summit of Mount Everest. On what type of timeframe were you imagining that the shoebox of lichen you send to Mars was going to transform Frozen Airless Radioactive Desert Hell into a place where people could grow wheat?

People have this idea that life is like some kind of magical force; that the reason Mars does not have life is that life has not yet gone there; that once life goes to a place, then it just figures out how to go on living there. This, I think, is a consequence of more people having gotten their science education from the movie character Ian Malcolm than from actual science classes. More generously, it is a testament to humans having formulated nearly all of their ideas about the nature of life from the absolute easiest (and only known) place to have life.

In any case Malcolm was exactly, precisely wrong when he said “Life … [Jeff Goldblum stammering] … finds a way.” Sure, yes, when “life” is “bacteria” and the challenge before it is how to propagate inside of my house, yes: In that case, life finds a way. In the bigger picture, no, life does not find a way. It has not found a way, even at the prokaryotic level, anywhere else humans have figured out how to look, except here on Earth…

None of what’s in the preceding 38 or however many exhausting paragraphs is unknown to Elon Musk, the mega-rich clod and dullard famous for buying things for more than they’re worth and then making them worse, who tweeted over the weekend some silly shit about his Martian colony, ah—what even is the word here? Plan? Vision? Intention? Anyway this is a thing that he thinks must and can and will happen. He sees his SpaceX company’s work as part of the endeavor to colonize Mars someday.

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This doofus’s birdbrained space-colony takes are important to know; that alone is a very awful and embarrassing true thing to say about the state of things. Capitalist society permits such profound inequalities of wealth and power, and the U.S. has allowed its public sector to lapse into such abysmal decay, that a guy like Musk exerts a terrible gravity on the world around him: What he is interested in seeing done, some number of other people will work on doing, because that work pays better than nearly all others. Whatever pit he wants to throw his money into, some appalling volume of the world’s resources and human labors will follow it down…

In a saner society, a rich guy with Musk’s well-known and unapologetically expounded views would sooner find himself under a guillotine than atop a space agency with the power to dragoon the world’s resources into his k-hole John Galt cosplay. The certainty that he will never make another planet habitable is no comfort to the rest of us, when in the act of trying he may do the opposite to this one. The doomsday scenario is coming from inside the house. I hope he dies on Mars.

Since I started reading sf almost as soon as I learned to read (my dad had a huge collection of 50s/60s paperbacks, which he never bothered telling me not to read), I used to wonder what it would be like to be isolated in a small spaceship or alien outpost for more years than I’d been alive. And, as an introvert living in a dysfunctional family in one of the more crowded urban environments, the idea didn’t seem so bad — if only I could be guaranteed a sufficient supply of my favorite foods, books, and hobbies.

I have the impression that Elon Musk suffers from an advanced, drug- and money-fueled version of this fantasy, to which he reverts whenever ‘real life’ becomes too stressful. Given state-of-the-art internet connectivity, all his favorite hobbies (‘designer’ drugs, pr0n, a stable of AI-augmented RealDolls, a virtual-reality closed track for pretend-racing fast cars and setting stuff on fire, energy drinks, soylent), and a guaranteed audience of gullible sycophants, wouldn’t it be great to just leave the normies and their mundane world behind?

A certain percentage of the Space, bitches!!! enthusiasts I’ve met over the past 60 years have had a similar bias towards Human Hamster Habitats. Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn’t be a net good for humanity and the environment if a ‘priesthood’ of True Believers were given their own biosphere in some otherwise inhospitable area (Mount Everest?), where they could dedicate themselves to worshiping Musk as the Chief Genius of their sealed terrarium…

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Thread time. This one may go on for a whiiile. I've been reading up on Elon Musk's plans for Mars colonization and… woof. We're not getting into the ethical arguments around space colonization, just focus on the practical aspects because man there's a lot to discuss. 1/

— Patrick S. Tomlinson (@stealthygeek) February 1, 2021


SF writer Tomlinson just reposted this thread, in response to the same Musk ‘announcement’…

Elon Musk, through his company SpaceX, has set the crazy ambitious goal of building a self-sufficient city of one million people on Mars by 2050. The fact Musk turn 50 this June has nothing to do with this aggressive 30 yr timeline, I’m sure. 2/

To achieve this, SpaceX is developing an interplanetary heavy-lift rocket called “Starship” to ferry a hundred people at a time from Earth to Mars to begin construction and occupation of the colony. And therein lays the first problem. 3/

At 100 people a pop, you’ll need 10,000 launches to land a million people on Mars. But that’s just the people, not all the equipment, supplies, and construction materials they’ll need to actually build the colony. Even Musk thinks it’ll take 100,000 launches. In 30 years. 4/…

And here’s the other thing, those launches can’t happen day in, day out throughout the year. Because of the orbital mechanics between Earth and Mars, there are narrow windows of opportunity to launch spacecraft from one planet to the other. 6/

These windows for a minimum-energy launch only open up every 26 months! You /can/ launch for a period of time outside those windows, but at an ever-growing penalty to how much mass you can carry for the available fuel load until it eventually becomes physically impossible. 7/

So, every two years and two months, you’d have to be launching an average flurry of almost SEVEN-THOUSAND Starship rockets over the course of a few weeks. Let’s put that launch rate in perspective for a second. 8/…

So what you’re talking about is developing a heavy-launch capability more than a thousand times larger than that of the most wealthy and technologically advanced country on Earth. In the next handful of years. With private capital that has no real chance of turning a profit. 11/

That’s just to put a million people on Mars by 2050. And that’s if everything goes right. Which it absolutely won’t. Spaceflight is dangerous, and living on Mars will be even more so. Launches will fail. Rockets will malfunction. People will die. 12/…

Let me digress just a bit to talk about another billionaire-funded dream project: Biosphere II. My wife and I had the chance to visit last year on our annual Spring Training trip to AZ. It was immensely fun and educational. 25/

Far from being the failed experiment it’s often portrayed in the media, Biosphere II was a remarkably successful and innovative endeavor. However, one bit of trivia we learned on our trip still sticks out to me. The first 8 person team was all scientists. 26/

They expected to spend their two-year mission doing experiments in Earth science as they explored their habitat, studied the interplay between the various species and biomes, and placed stress on various components of the closed system. 27/

Turns out they got to do fuckall of that. Almost no science was done in that first mission inside Biosphere II, because the scientists spent more than 50 hours a week per person just growing and preparing the food they needed to survive. 28/

And remember, this was in a sealed experiment that had already been built for them. They didn’t get dropped off on a cargo plane in the middle of the desert with an erector set nd told to build their house before they went out to plant corn. 29/…

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