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Purely Protecting the Livestock

by Betty Cracker|  December 21, 20231:00 pm| 137 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Stupidity

ABC News found a 2015 German TV segment that examined a grotesque ritual popular with ultra-conservative Christians: purity balls. Father-daughter pairs dress up in wedding-like attire to attend balls, which culminate in daughters signing a “purity pledge” promising they won’t have sex before marriage.

Purity balls are creepy and gross but not uncommon among far-right evangelicals. The German TV segment is only significant eight years later because the father-daughter pair featured on the program is current Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Mike Johnson (R-LA) and his then 13-year-old daughter.

Johnson, his wife Kelly, and his daughter participated in interviews for the segment, which was posted on the German news channel’s website.

The news segment also features interviews with Johnson’s daughter, who is now in her 20s, and shows her at the purity ball pledging to her father “to make a commitment to God, myself, my family, my friends, my future husband, and my future children … to a lifetime of purity, including sexual purity,” in between shots of Johnson nodding along in agreement.

In one brief interview clip, Johnson’s wife Kelly Johnson, a Christian counselor, told the German news outlet, “We don’t talk to her about contraception. Sex before marriage is simply out of the question.”

For no particular reason, I looked up the states with the highest rates of “nonmarital” births. Louisiana was #2 after Mississippi. Interesting!

I don’t speak German, but my guess is the tone of the TV segment is “look at these weird puritanical parents — the poor kids!” That’s the correct tone. I grew up Southern Baptist-adjacent (my mom’s father was a preacher), and the “purity” mindset is coercive, unrealistic, infantilizing and downright abusive, IMO.

There’s nothing wrong with parents encouraging adolescents to wait until they are more mature and emotionally ready for intimate relationships. Most of us who are parents have probably had awkward conversations with our offspring communicating that idea.

That’s not what’s happening with the purity ball set. What’s happening is men are facilitating a future transfer of “undamaged goods” to other men. They’re protecting the breeding stock.

In the article, ABC News quotes Linda Kay Klein, who wrote “Pure: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Shamed a Generation of Young Women and How I Broke Free.” Here’s her take on purity culture:

“In my book I talk about eternal girlhood,” Klein said. “There’s this way in which purity culture attempts to create this eternal girlhood among girls — you never really grow up, you never really have headship over your own life. You ultimately are there to be guided by and to support and to champion and to be led by somebody greater than you: a man.”

“People often think about it from a purity ball perspective, like, ‘Oh, that’s creepy.’ You’ve got the father with the daughter in a wedding-like ballgown,” Klein said. “But I actually find myself also thinking about what that means when you have your headship transferred over to your husband and what the girl has internalized from that.”

Well, yeah. And kudos to Klein for escaping that hyper-patriarchal shit-show.

I hope the country is as determined and fortunate as Klein is. A fanatic like Johnson would absolutely establish a Republic of Gilead if given half a chance. Therefore, it’s disturbing that such a zealot is now second in line to the presidency. To paraphrase something Mr. Cole once said, I’d be willing to serve as human bubble wrap for Biden and Harris to prevent Johnson from moving up.

Open thread.

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Noun-Verb and Chapter 11

by David Anderson|  December 21, 20231:00 pm| 36 Comments

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Rudy Guiliani has just filed for bankruptcy:

NEW YORK (AP) — Rudy Giuliani files for bankruptcy days after being ordered to pay $148 million in a defamation case.

The only thing of value that he controls is his ability to flip on Trump. Will he or will he just continue to run up new instances of defamation?

Open Thread

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Late Night Open Thread: Be of Good Faith (& Work to GOTV)

by Anne Laurie|  December 21, 20233:13 am| 189 Comments

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Late Night Open Thread 6
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Late Night Open Thread 8

And yet no one here wants to vote for Trump. Dane County turnout is still going to be sky high for Biden, Baldwin and Democrats. https://t.co/LgiFjuxhPB

— Dan Shafer (@DanRShafer) December 19, 2023

The fact that the few industries that are struggling right now are journalism, tech, podcasts, and humanities academia is an underrated part of the vibe debate

— The Notorious S.E.B. (@bigseb31213) December 19, 2023

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War for Ukraine Day 665: A Brief Wednesday Night Update

by Adam L Silverman|  December 20, 20239:22 pm| 26 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Screen shot of a mural of an eye shedding a tear/crying. The upper eyelid is painted in the blue of Ukraine's flag. The lower eyelid is painted in the yellow of Ukraine's flag. The mural was painted by the artist MyDogSighs.

(Image by My Dog Sighs)

I’m still fried, so we’re just going to cover the basics again tonight.

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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We are working to increase the efficiency of drones in all areas – address by the President of Ukraine

20 December 2023 – 21:34

I wish you health, fellow Ukrainians!

A brief report for this day.

Morning –  conference call. The military reported on the situation at the front. The law enforcers reported on the internal situation and security, the aftermath of the Russian shelling of Kherson – heavy shelling. We will retaliate against the enemy. The Main Intelligence Directorate reported on the occupiers’ plans and our counteraction. The Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine reported on the near-term trends and important operations we are preparing. A separate discussion focused on drones – what’s in the warehouses and what’s needed at the front. Logistics will be expedited. We are also working to increase the efficiency of drones, including FPV, in all areas. This is an obvious priority of the state and a concrete way to protect the lives of our warriors.

There were a lot of meetings in the afternoon. The Prime Minister. The Minister of Defense. A very important issue is communication about the war, our defense, and the frontline in general. Access to the frontline for journalists. Changes have been prepared – there should be more information about the front. I am grateful to everyone who understands the importance of this and helps to keep our defense and our defense needs in the focus of the world’s attention. I also held a meeting with the Minister for Strategic Industries. He coordinates the work of the entire team dealing with the system of shelters and their readiness. Good results have been achieved in December.

Just now, I had an international conversation. I spoke with the Prime Minister of New Zealand. For us in Ukraine, for our international position, the voice of absolutely everyone in the world who values international law and is ready to defend it is important. I thanked New Zealand for its unwavering support for Ukraine, for assistance in demining, for supporting sanctions against Russia, and for its efforts to promote the Peace Formula. By the way, we are now actively working on organizing the next meeting in the format of advisors. Step by step, we are making our Peace Formula the Formula of the world majority. I am grateful to everyone who helps.

And, of course, every day, my unwavering gratitude goes to our warriors. To everyone who is fighting for our state. To those who are training. To those who are healing and saving lives. To those who are manufacturing the necessary weapons. And to all who are working so that Ukraine can withstand, so that our warriors have the means to defend our state and independence. We will certainly defend it!

Glory to Ukraine!

We need better members of Congress!

A website founded by a former US Marine who now lives in Russia falsely claimed that Zelensky purchased two luxury yachts with US aid money.

This disinformation was echoed by members of the US Congress making crucial decisions about military spending.https://t.co/2wn8BE43UW

— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) December 21, 2023

From the BBC:

A website founded by a former US Marine who now lives in Russia has fuelled a rumour that Volodymyr Zelensky purchased two luxury yachts with American aid money.

Despite the false claim, the disinformation plot was successful. It took off online and was echoed by members of the US Congress making crucial decisions about military spending.

It was an incredible assertion – using two advisers as proxies, Mr Zelensky paid $75m (£59m) for two yachts.

But not only has the Ukrainian government flatly denied the story, the two ships in question have not even been sold.

Despite being false, the story reached members of the US Congress, where leaders say any decision on further aid to Ukraine will be delayed until next year.

Some are vehemently opposed to further support.

On X, formerly Twitter, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene said: “Anyone who votes to fund Ukraine is funding the most corrupt money scheme of any foreign war in our country’s history.”

She linked to a story containing the yacht rumour.

Tom Tillis, a Republican Senator and a supporter of military aid to Ukraine, spoke to CNN shortly after senators held a closed-door meeting with Mr Zelensky last week.

“I think the notion of corruption came up because some have said we can’t do it, because people will buy yachts with the money,” Mr Tillis said. “[Mr Zelensky] disabused people of those notions.”

Mr Tillis has butted heads with another Republican Senator, J D Vance, who has also mentioned Mr Zelensky and ships in the same breath.

While discussing budget priorities on a podcast hosted by former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon, Mr Vance said: “There are people who would cut Social Security, throw our grandparents into poverty, why? So that one of Zelensky’s ministers can buy a bigger yacht?”

Although the yacht rumour is false, the BBC has discovered the story was given a major boost by a Russia-linked website that pretends to be located in Washington.

It is, researchers say, a “likely purpose-built tool for narrative laundering with links to the Russian government”.

The ‘Washington’ website with roots in Russia
The story first emerged in late November on an obscure YouTube channel – one with only a handful of followers and just a single video in its feed.

The next day, it was picked up by a site called DC Weekly, alongside pictures of the two yachts – called Lucky Me and My Legacy – and documents purportedly confirming the sale of the boats to Zelensky’s associates.

But the luxury yacht brokers where both vessels are listed for sale said that the allegations are false. The sales documents appear to be forgeries. And instead of having been purchased by Zelensky or his close advisers, both Lucky Me and My Legacy are still up for sale.

The DC Weekly story touched off a blaze of online speculation, with multiple sources linking to the story and content citing the story across multiple platforms.

However, the site is not, as the name implies, a weekly publication – nor is it based in the US capital.

Research by Darren Linvill and Patrick Warren, disinformation researchers at Clemson University, shows that DC Weekly was started by John Mark Dougan, a former US Marine and Florida police officer who moved to Russia in 2016.

Mr Dougan spent three years as a deputy with the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s office, then after he left in 2009 he started a website spreading rumours about his former employers.

Since moving to Russia he has reinvented himself as a journalist covering the invasion of Ukraine, and has spread a number of false and baseless claims – for example that Russia was attempting to destroy biological weapons labs.

DC Weekly, the Clemson researchers discovered, is full of news stories copied from other sites and rewritten by artificial intelligence engines. The site’s “reporters” have fake names along with headshots copied from elsewhere on the internet.

Mixed in with the rewritten stories – apparently designed to give the site a sheen of legitimacy – are dubious original reports.

One such story was the origin of the yacht claim, and the Clemson researchers tracked how the story spread widely after DC Weekly published its version.

Evidence collected by the researchers indicates that the site continued to be connected to the same server as several of Mr Dougan’s other websites. BBC Verify also found that part of the DC Weekly website is hosted on a server in Moscow.

Earlier this year Mr Dougan was identified as being a DC Weekly commentator when he gave several talks at an academy affiliated with the Russian Foreign Ministry.

“It is pretty obvious to me that Dougan has been involved with DC Weekly for a long time, and remains connected to the infrastructure behind it,” Mr Warren said.

Mr Dougan said via text message that he “emphatically denies these assertions”, and that he sold DC Weekly for $3,000 several years ago. He said he does not recall the person he sold it to and has lost the paperwork due to being kicked off payment platforms and losing access to email accounts because of financial sanctions against Russia. He says he has nothing to do with the site’s current operations.

The researchers say the site is part of a much larger pro-Russia propaganda machine.

“Whether this one particular guy is behind it doesn’t really matter much,” Mr Warren said. “The key point is that it is an important element in a very substantial and effective pro-Russian influence operation that needs to be exposed and understood.”

The Ukrainian President’s Office said of the DC Weekly story: “All information in this article is fake. Zelensky and his family members do not and did not have any yachts.”

Mr Tillis and Ms Greene were contacted for comment.

A spokesperson for Mr Vance said: “For years, everyone in the West recognised that Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Somehow everyone forgot that just as we started sending them billions of dollars in foreign aid.”

Again, we are over fifteen years into Putin’s world war to remake the global system and we still have no effective way to counter his Information Warfare.

For those wondering if it is really a world war, here’s Putin’s actual views:

The narratives presented by Russian President Vladimir Putin regarding the war between Israel and Hamas claim that the West, led by the United States, is responsible for this conflict and for other regional conflicts. Putin blames the US for the war, as well as for the failure of the political process between Israel and the Palestinians, once Washington appropriated for itself the role of sole mediator and sidelined the Quartet. In addition, Putin accuses the US of fanning the flames of war and alleges that Washington is trying to use the subsequent chaos to weaken its rivals, including Russia. It is doing so, according to the Russia leader, to thwart the emergence of a multipolar new world order and to ensure that the US-led single superpower order survives. Putin asserts that Russia does not sit by idly, and it has launched a campaign of national liberation against “American hegemony” on the battlefields of Ukraine, where “the fate of Russia, and the entire world – including the fate of the Palestinian people – will be determined.”

You may not be interested in the world war Putin declared at the Munch Security Conference in 2007, but the world war is definitely interested in you!

This is a very good question:

I wonder what sort of mental gymnastics the adepts of aMeRicAn pRoXy wAr will employ if the U.S. eventually leaves Ukraine with no more defense aid and Ukraine nonetheless continues combating Russia's occupation in an asymmetrical/guerilla war.

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) December 20, 2023

For those of you marking Advent on your calendars this season:

Ukrainian Advent Calendar: Day 20

Leopard 2 is the weapon of the day!
10 countries joined the Leopard Coalition and provided these tanks to #UAarmy. We are grateful to Germany (@BMVg_Bundeswehr), Netherlands (@Defensie), Denmark (@Forsvarsmin), Poland (@MON_GOV_PL), Spain… pic.twitter.com/LSeN8zZPje

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) December 20, 2023

 

Ukrainian Advent Calendar: Day 20 Leopard 2 is the weapon of the day! 10 countries joined the Leopard Coalition and provided these tanks to #UAarmy. We are grateful to Germany (@BMVg_Bundeswehr), Netherlands (@Defensie), Denmark (@Forsvarsmin), Poland (@MON_GOV_PL), Spain (@Defensagob), Sweden (@ForsvarsdepSv), Norway (@Forsvarsdep), Canada (@NationalDefence), Finland (@DefenceFinland) and Portugal (@defesa_pt).

Leopard 2 tanks instill great fear in the invaders. They made a decisive contribution on the frontlines. Leopards also became the most widespread #NATO tank in Ukraine.

Stand by for the next Weapon of Victory tomorrow.

#StandWithUkraine #UAMoDAdvent

Lithuania:

Thank you, friends, for the new military aid package, which includes field service equipment and dry food packs.

We are grateful to Lithuanian government and people for their unwavering support!
🇺🇦🤝🇱🇹@Lithuanian_MoD https://t.co/Tv88wA9z6z

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) December 20, 2023

Japan:

Japan is expected this week to formalize a change in policy that will enable it to export several dozen Patriot missiles to the US, a move that would backfill 🇺🇸 stockpiles. That would give 🇺🇸 flexibility to send more of the sophisticated air defenses to 🇺🇦 – WP…

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) December 20, 2023

From The Washington Post:

Faced with a dangerous shortfall in Ukraine’s air defenses and no easy resolution to the funding impasse in Congress, Washington has increasingly leaned on allies to provide urgent weapons support.

Help may now be coming from a partner outside Europe.

Japan is expected this week to formalize a change in policy that will enable it to export several dozen Patriot missiles to the United States, a move that would backfill Washington’s stockpiles. That would give Washington flexibility to send more of the sophisticated air defenses to Ukraine, which is in desperate need as Kyiv gears up for punishing Russian airstrikes this winter.

The change — a modification in defense export rules — will not explicitly mention the Patriot system but will meet a key request by the Biden administration, said U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because discussions are ongoing.

Japan manufactures missiles for the Patriot, the U.S. military’s premier air defense system, under license from Raytheon.

President Biden raised the issue with Prime Minister Fumio Kishida at Camp David in August, during a historic tripartite summit with South Korea, and again at an economic summit in San Francisco last month. Seoul has quietly pledged to provide hundreds of thousands of rounds of artillery ammunition for Ukraine over the past year — more than all European countries combined. A significant amount of that has been provided, officials said.

Japan, concerned that Russia’s invasion could embolden China to take similar action against Taiwan, has been a supporter of Ukraine. It was the first East Asian country to join Western sanctions against Moscow. Kishida, speaking in January as he kicked off the nation’s year as head of the Group of Seven, pointedly noted that “Ukraine may be the East Asia of tomorrow.”

The cabinet is expected to announce the change as early as Friday. The Patriots will not go directly to Ukraine. Rather, Japan is considering sending dozens of missiles to the United States so it can replenish its stocks earmarked for Japan and the Indo-Pacific. Tokyo has not yet furnished a timeline, but a decision on a number is expected “relatively soon,” an official said.

The munitions in question are PAC-2 and PAC-3 interceptors. The former are designed to destroy some types of ballistic missiles by exploding nearby, and the latter are hit-to-kill munitions that take direct aim at missiles and aircraft and pack a larger explosive punch. The more advanced PAC-3 interceptors run about $4 million apiece, according to analysts.

The move comes as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in a visit to Washington last week, sounded the alarm over his country’s defenses. Only a “handful” of munitions remain to protect Kyiv, and he wants more to protect major cities like Odessa, he said at a private gathering of analysts at the Ukrainian Embassy, according to a person familiar with the meeting, which was first reported by Politico.

Ukraine has a patchwork of systems to protect against aerial threats, but they are stressed by the persistent barrage of Russian missiles and drones. Meanwhile, prospects remain dim that Republican lawmakers will approve Biden’s ask for $60 billion in additional security assistance.

Germany has provided two Patriot batteries, along with one delivered by the United States. The systems allow greater coverage of the skies, but getting enoughinterceptor missiles has been a challenge, said Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ihnat.

“The enemy attacks every day, and the expenditure of ammunition is high,” Ihnat said. Western countries have boosted production, he said. “But even this is not enough. They make weapons for themselves and for us.”

Last winter, some Russian airstrikes could have succeeded in destroying Kyiv’s power grid if not for intercepts by Ukrainian air defenses, Hardie said. “So,” he said, “even a few dozen interceptors could prove critical for Ukraine.”

Much more at the link.

Russian occupied Donetsk Oblast:

Walking through the fire.

📷: Donetsk @TDF_UA Brigade pic.twitter.com/jMutn12p4i

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) December 20, 2023

Bakhmut:

The footage reminds me of scenes of Warsaw annihilated by Nazis following the 1944 uprising.

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) December 20, 2023

Bakhmut under Russian occupation now.

Two years ago, this was a well-to-do city of 70,000, a Ukrainian regional center.

We reporters remember it very well for Hotel Atlantic we all used to stay at. Many also loved a very good sushi bar called Izumi at Bakhmut’s central square.

It was a city of coffee shops, soccer stadiums, flower beds, fountains, and a famous local sparkling wine brand.

Now see what Russia has turned it into.

It’s now a giant grave that will never see any life again.

And Bakhmut is now among dozens of towns ruined by Putin’s Russia — which is terminally obsessed with a cult of death, war, senseless territorial grabs, and destruction.

We ask that the world puts aside all irrelevant deliberations and petty politics and gives Ukraine tools to repel and deter the worst European war of destruction since Adolf Hitler.

Marinka, Russian occupied Donetsk Oblast:

Marinka, Donetsk region

— Мисливець за зорями (@small10space) December 20, 2023

Krynky, left bank of the Dnipro, Russian occupied Kherson Oblast:

/2. Plus another Russian T-72B3M mod. 2022 from Krynky area by the 36th Marine Brigade of Ukraine.https://t.co/RJFFn4gboc pic.twitter.com/w0wSsgdqoV

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) December 20, 2023

Robert “Magyar” greets this day with a beautiful “badaboom”.

In the longer video you can see that one of his FPV drones caused the Russian tank first to cook off before the crescendo. Likely in the Krynky area.

Source: https://t.co/VpbY9WvaSa#Ukraine #Kherson #Krynky pic.twitter.com/Vr1Oe9xbfo

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) December 20, 2023

Madyar’s/Magyar’s Birds are still on the hunt!

Stepove, Avdiivka front:

Bradley IFV of the 47th Brigade 🇺🇦 ruins entrance to the basement after it was discovered that the group of Russian military had settled there. Stepove, Avdiivka front.https://t.co/2npwrntnRy pic.twitter.com/ccif9O0FBV

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) December 20, 2023

Russian occupied Kherson Oblast:

Strike on Russian targets in Kherson region. 2S5 Giatsint-S 152 mm self-propelled gun, 2хBMP, howitzer, APE-5 command and staff vehicle and accumulation of trucks. https://t.co/n6WpybVOXY pic.twitter.com/FTCfcyrQH8

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) December 20, 2023

Rare interview with the commander of a Bradley IFV belonging to the Ukrainian 47th Mechanised Brigade. Talks about combat use, his impressions of the vehicle, and briefly recounts his own story.

Source: https://t.co/xc9vDPNEE6 pic.twitter.com/G51NGtZPtz

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) December 20, 2023

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Our Failed Major Media Open Thread: ‘Is Biden Allowed to *Do* That?… ‘

by Anne Laurie|  December 20, 20238:12 pm| 119 Comments

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Biden, asked if Trump is an insurrectionist, tells reporters:

“It's self-evident. You saw it all. Now whether the 14th Amendment applies, I'll let the court make that decision. But he certainly supported an insurrection. There's no question about it. None. Zero.”

— Shelby Talcott (@ShelbyTalcott) December 20, 2023

“It helps the guy who attempted a failed coup to remind people he failed at an attempted coup” is one of the dumbest talking points in all of Punditstan. https://t.co/rDlDO9g9fJ

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) December 20, 2023

America, having a normal one 🙃 https://t.co/IeXNUHunR5

— scary lawyerguy (@scarylawyerguy) December 19, 2023

Politico, aka Tiger Beat on the Potomac, “Biden ramps up attacks on Trump by comparing him to Hitler”:

In most situations, comparing a political opponent to Adolf Hitler might seem like an extraordinary step. For Joe Biden’s campaign, it has become part of the routine of running against Donald Trump.

When the former president said that undocumented immigrants were “poisoning the blood of our country” during a New Hampshire rally on Saturday, a Biden campaign aide charged with monitoring Trump immediately circulated the comments to staffers, according to senior officials.

Within hours, the campaign released a statement attacking Trump for having “channeled his role models as he parroted Adolf Hitler, praised Kim Jong Un, and quoted Vladimir Putin while running for president on a promise to rule as a dictator and threaten American democracy.”

It was the fourth time in the past six weeks that Biden’s campaign has likened Trump’s remarks to Hitler’s in written statements and probably not the last. The president’s team has been ramping up attacks on Trump as it barrels toward a likely rematch with him, and historians say that Trump’s recent comments about immigrants — as well as those likening his political foes to “vermin” — have echoed Hitler’s words.

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Biden’s more aggressive posture also underscores that threats to democracy remain at the core of his messaging push even as he tries to simultaneously persuade voters that he is best equipped to handle the economy. It’s similar to the strategy Democrats successfully employed in the 2022 midterms — and a throughline that senior campaign officials said dates back to Trump’s response to the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., which inspired Biden’s own presidential run.

“Every time he says it, we are going to call it out,” said Michael Tyler, the Biden campaign’s communications director. “He’s going to echo the rhetoric of Hitler and Mussolini, and we’re going to make sure that people understand just how serious that is every single time.”…

Biden campaign aides said that this is not merely a debate about language, and they are intent on showing voters what a more autocratic second term of Trump would mean for their own rights.

To help make that case, the campaign launched a TV advertisement last week, in both Spanish and English, that likened Trump to Latin American strongmen. In the spots, images of Trump flash alongside those of Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro as a narrator says that Republicans, “like dictators, want to take things away — our health insurance, our rights and freedoms, and even our safety.”

I believe the correct response would be: No lies told!

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Wednesday Evening Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  December 20, 20236:51 pm| 98 Comments

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Looks like we can use an open thread!

Tuesday Afternoon Open Thread 3

Ho ho ho!

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Fiona Hill: What Happens If Putin Wins

by WaterGirl|  December 20, 202312:50 pm| 211 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Open Threads, Politics, War in Ukraine

Is Putin Winning in Ukraine?  “He’s About To, and It’s On Us,”

(Politico Magazine)

The veteran Russia watcher is deeply alarmed as Washington reaches an inflection point on the war in Ukraine.

When we spoke this week, she [Fiona Hill] made clear that the decision of whether Ukraine wins or loses is now on us — almost entirely. As Congress debates how much more money to authorize for Ukraine’s assistance amid growing Republican opposition, she says that what we are really debating is our own future. Do we want to live in the kind of world that will result if Ukraine loses?

Hill is clear about her answer. A world in which Putin chalks up a win in Ukraine is one where the U.S.’s standing in the world is diminished, where Iran and North Korea are emboldened, where China dominates the Indo-Pacific, where the Middle East becomes more unstable and where nuclear proliferation takes off, among allies as well as enemies.

“Ukraine has become a battlefield now for America and America’s own future — whether we see it or not — for our own defensive posture and preparedness, for our reputation and our leadership,” she told me. “For Putin, Ukraine is a proxy war against the United States, to remove the United States from the world stage.”

This Politico Magazine article is quite sobering, to say the least.  It is primarily in a Q & A format – here are the questions.

  1. Ukraine is fighting the Russian invasion on several fronts: military, financial, political. In each of those areas, is Ukraine winning, or is Russia?
  2. How about in the financial and diplomatic arenas?
  3. So Ukraine isn’t losing yet. But depending on the domestic situation in the United States, and with its European allies, it could? It could start losing very soon?
  4. What do you think Putin sees when he’s watching the debate taking place in the United States right now?
  5. You said a loss for Ukraine would shift the entire balance in the Indo-Pacific region — you mean shift it toward China?
  6. Putin initially thought he would just go and take Kyiv, and obviously, that didn’t happen. How do you think Putin now would define a win for himself and for Russia?
  7. Russia’s presidential election is scheduled for March. How does the war in Ukraine play into Putin’s reelection bid?
  8. What happens to the West if Putin wins?
  9. So you’re concerned that if Putin wins and Ukraine is partitioned, that will set off a nuclear proliferation race.
  10. You’ve written about the failure of the United States and the UK to provide adequate opportunity to all of its citizens. You’ve talked about the United States as being in need of a bigger “infrastructure of opportunity.” What do you say to Americans and members of Congress who feel like the money that we’re using to help Ukraine would be better spent right now at home?
  11. If the supplemental passes, and the U.S. does not step back from its support for Ukraine, where do we go from here? What’s the best-case scenario for going forward?
  12. What happens to Putin if he loses?
  13. How will China respond to a Putin loss?
  14. So the big question is, again, is Putin winning right now?
  15. But the decision’s ours?

I won’t even try to summarize what Fiona Hill said, but I can include a couple of quotes from the article.

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Ukraine has become a battlefield now, for America and America’s own future — whether we see it or not — for our own defensive posture and preparedness, for our reputation and our leadership.

American leadership is still very important. But other countries are starting to make plans for a world without us at this particular point. And you can be sure that Vladimir Putin, and President Xi and many others will be pretty ecstatic if we give up on Ukraine. And that could happen just as soon as December or January, because if Congress goes home for the holidays without passing the supplemental, and everyone’s back in their constituencies, there’s a lot of stuff that can happen in their absence, in that vacuum, that void that we have created. Everybody else in the rest of the world would be wondering, not just, “Where is America?” but, “What on earth has happened to America?” And if President Trump thinks that he’s going to be the leader of the free world when he comes back into office — well, think again. There won’t be a free world to be leading at all. And that’s not an overstatement. That’s just a fact.

So you’re concerned that if Putin wins and Ukraine is partitioned, that will set off a nuclear proliferation race.

For Vladimir Putin now Ukraine has become a proxy war. It’s not a proxy war by the United States against Russia. We’re trying to get Russia out of Ukraine, period. But for Putin, Ukraine is a proxy war against the United States, to remove the United States from the world stage. He’s trying to use Gaza, and Israel like that now, as well. He’s trying to whip up anti-United States sentiment wherever he can. I’ve just come back from Europe and from a whole host of conferences where there’s just so much rage and grievance about the United States and Putin is fanning the flames.

Putin sees Biden as a major opponent. He is an obstacle for Putin to be able to win on the battlefield of Ukraine. So Putin wants Biden to fail. Putin would be thrilled if Trump would come back to power because he also anticipates that Trump will pull the United States out of NATO, that Trump will rupture the U.S. alliance system, and that Trump will hand over Ukraine. So right at this particular moment, Putin sees an awful lot that he can get out of undermining Biden’s position.

Now, the problem, of course, is that currently many members of Congress and others are thinking about whether they want to run to be vice president for Trump, and what they should perhaps do now to support Trump and pave the way for his presidency. So the idea of giving Biden anything that could positively affect the election is just a bridge too far.

We have a situation now where perhaps Biden is the only person who can actually break the legislative logjam. Members of Congress and senators, many of whom I know from my own discussions with them absolutely support assisting Ukraine and get the importance of this moment, still can’t get past the domestic politics. Biden is going to have to somehow persuade them that if they rise to the occasion, helping Ukraine is not going to give him some kind of political boost and a consequential win.

So the big question is, again, is Putin winning right now?

He’s about to, and it’s on us. We’re at the point where it’s on us. If we leave the field, then he will win. His calculation is that our domestic politics and our own interests override everything, and that we no longer have a sense of national security, or of our role in international affairs. This is a moment for him to get rid of not just Pax Americana, but America as a major global player.

But the decision’s ours?

The decision is ours, this decision is entirely ours. We’re just falling all over ourselves to engage in self-harm at the moment. Ukraine shouldn’t be a partisan issue. I just hope that people are going to be able to dig deep, and realize the moment that they’re in.

🌼  BJ peeps, please explain this to every single human you know.

What do you say to Americans and members of Congress who feel like the money that we’re using to help Ukraine would be better spent right now at home?

That it’s actually being spent at home! That’s the irony. Because every time you send a weapon to the Ukrainians, it’s an American weapon. You’re not buying somebody else’s weapons to go to Ukraine. It’s also a fraction of our defense budget.

It’s really a circular process here. We are providing weapons to Ukraine, we’re buying them from major manufacturers of defense systems here in the United States, which are obviously providing jobs for the people who are making them. And then we’re going back and we’re ordering more because we’re replenishing and upgrading our own weapons stocks. This is all part of our own system. These defense manufacturers account for huge numbers of jobs across the whole of the United States, so arming Ukraine means significant job creation and retention across the United States and also in Europe and elsewhere.

People in Congress know that, it’s just that they’re playing a different game. They want to play up this issue of “it should be spent at home” because of the transactional nature of congressional supplemental bills.

Let’s just put it frankly — this is all about the upcoming presidential election. It’s less about Ukraine and it’s more about the fact that we have an election coming up next year. The problem is that many members of Congress don’t want to see President Biden win on any front. People are incapable now of separating off “giving Biden a win” from actually allowing Ukraine to win. They are thinking less about U.S. national security, European security, international security and foreign policy, and much more about how they can humiliate Biden.

In that regard, whether they like it or not, members of Congress are doing exactly the same thing as Vladimir Putin.

Read the whole thing.

It’s quite sobering to see this all laid out so clearly, even if most of it isn’t new information.  I imagine that the people who most need this information won’t bother to read it.

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