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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

That meeting sounds like a shotgun wedding between a shitshow and a clusterfuck.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

Polls are now a reliable indicator of what corporate Republicans want us to think.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Just because you believe it, that does not make it true.

When I was faster i was always behind.

A fool as well as an oath-breaker.

Bark louder, little dog.

In after Baud. Damn.

’Where will you hide, Roberts, the laws all being flat?’

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Is trump is trying to break black America over his knee? signs point to ‘yes’.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

The snowflake in chief appeared visibly frustrated when questioned by a reporter about egg prices.

The media handbook says “controversial” is the most negative description that can be used for a Republican.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Second rate reporter says what?

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Giving in to doom is how authoritarians win.

You passed on an opportunity to be offended? What are you even doing here?

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

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President Biden Delivers Remarks on the Release of Hostages from Gaza (Open Thread)

by WaterGirl|  November 24, 20231:36 pm| 83 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Open Threads

President Biden in action!

 

Open thread.

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DC Meetup at Clyde’s November 18, 2023: Proof of Life

by WaterGirl|  November 24, 202312:05 pm| 74 Comments

This post is in: Balloon Juice, Meetups, Open Threads

We have proof of life from the DC Meetup.

I don’t recall which venue the BJ peeps ended up at for the DC Meetup, but it looks like a lovely place.  And what a great bunch of people!  Did you all play musical chairs so that everyone got a chance to talk with everyone else?

One more thing… who took the photo?

DC Meetup: Proof of Life
Photo by rekoob.  From left front, going around the table, to right front. Smiling happy guy, Ramona, planetjanet, Shana, Barbara, MattF,  lowtechcyclist, A Streeter, Dave, rekoob.

Follow-up note and photo from rekoob, who organized the meetup.

Many thanks to all who made to the DC Meetup on 18 November 2023! We celebrated our recent wins in Ohio and Virginia, talked about 4 Directions and Delmarva politics (Delaware/Maryland/Virginia), the Israel/Palestine situation, and got to know each other a bit better. Ramona and I took in the Obama portraits at the nearby National Portrait Gallery thereafter.

I’ll out myself — I’m the first person on the right (green sweater, yellow shirt).  Others will do as they wish.

Perhaps we’ll do it again before too long!

rekoob

Open thread.

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Friday Morning Open Thread: Holiday Hangover Day

by Anne Laurie|  November 24, 20237:24 am| 176 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, Open Threads, President Biden, Proud to Be A Democrat

Joe Biden turned 81, and then promptly:

-Mixed up Britney Spears and Taylor Swift.
-Directly engaged in high stakes international diplomacy and delivered a truce deal between mortal enemies to release hostages and increase humanitarian aid.

I know which one is more important.

— That Unhinged Biden Guy (@What46HasDone) November 22, 2023

Condolences to those who have to work-for-pay today, especially if it involves going in to an otherwise deserted office. Also to those who are recovering from the stress, physical or emotional, of the holiday itself. If it makes you feel any better about *your* celebratory choices:

President Biden did the polar plunge today. What did Donald Trump do? ?? https://t.co/LE1NmV8AjU

— Chris D. Jackson (@ChrisDJackson) November 24, 2023

White House officials blanketing TV this morning, day after Israel-Hamas hostage deal announced. https://t.co/FTUnsk3qic

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) November 22, 2023

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Caring is sharing!

If you:

Bought Dolly Parton’s new album,
Plan to buy tickets to the upcoming Rolling Stones tour,
Rushed to watch Cher in the Macy’s parade today,

You shouldn’t be worried about Joe Biden’s age.

— Rebekah, Thankful Crone ?? ?? ?? (@RebekahWriter) November 23, 2023

Biden works his ass off every day to do what he thinks is right – you can agree/disagree with his politics but the media's portrayal of him as a doddering old man who should bow out of the 2024 race is at odds w/his actual performance as President. It's journalistic malpractice https://t.co/IUcglppLGK

— scary lawyerguy (@scarylawyerguy) November 23, 2023

Joe Biden trained for this moment his entire career.

Inside the “excruciating” work of a secret U.S. cell that negotiated the hostage deal – USA TODAY https://t.co/r0XbM6bPz4

— Rachel Bitecofer ?????????????? (@RachelBitecofer) November 23, 2023

For 4 long years, Donald Trump made us a laughingstock, kowtowing to authoritarians across the globe.

Under President Biden, America once again leads the free world. Our allies are stronger, and our enemies are weaker. President Biden is an American President. pic.twitter.com/iTZvTmLHEw

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) November 23, 2023

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Late Night Open Thread: Leftovers

by Anne Laurie|  November 24, 20233:29 am| 40 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Blame it on the dog…

that's the perfect thanksgiving conversation https://t.co/BQbglddJGN

— flglmn (@flglmn) November 23, 2023

Best Thanksgiving headline ever? pic.twitter.com/V1ajtPlR2E

— Eric Boehm (@EricBoehm87) November 23, 2023


(Coolidge did not, in fact, eat that racoon. The First Couple named her Rebecca, and kept her as a pet.)

Happy Thanksgiving https://t.co/yiwnNF2tsW

— Pinboard (@Pinboard) November 23, 2023

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Must be nice, when the whole world revolves around *you*:

I used to think QAnon was nutty. Then I heard about the Black Friday Conspiracy.

Seriously, extremists are certifiable.

— DCPetterson (@dcpetterson) November 24, 2023

See, Biden forced Israel and Hamas to agree to a temporary ceasefire and to exchange prisoners RIGHT NOW, at this moment, to prevent a nationwide boycott of retailers on Black Friday which was poised to protest the lack of a ceasefire–because Biden is (gasp!) an evil capitalist

— DCPetterson (@dcpetterson) November 24, 2023

have these kids ever seen what black friday shoppers look like? that gleam in their eye? that determination that nothing will stand in their way?

a middle aged lady named Doris is gonna take them out if they get between her and that new microwave on sale. https://t.co/ypMi9KbG5v

— Florida Chris (@chrislongview) November 23, 2023


(I assume this is mostly a propaganda campaign, intended to keep people away… but there may be a few dedicated DSA kiddies from the gentrifying suburbs who actually show up at the mall, only to discover that the average Black Friday shopper has very little sympathy for the political styling of ‘actionists’… )

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Interesting Read: Where the Tofurkys Come From

by Anne Laurie|  November 23, 20236:49 pm| 29 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Food, Open Threads

The Post took a team to Oregon to find out exactly how Tofurky, a kneaded paste of wheat gluten, silken tofu and flavorings, becomes an enduring holiday favorite. https://t.co/0GlEG3lbPr

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) November 23, 2023

Fifty years ago, I remember our Midwestern college dining hall introducing its first official vegetarian option — chunks of slightly rubbery ham-flavored TVP, added to mac’n’cheese. (Very good mac’n’cheese, actually, since we had an excellent dairy science department.) Now, we’re told, Tofurky has become a nostalgic holiday favorite…

From the Washington Post, “See inside the Tofurky factory, where a Thanksgiving icon is made” [unpaywalled gift link]:

… Tofurky’s holiday roast, which is now more than a quarter of a century old, is a nostalgia food, hearkening for vegetarians and vegans an era when holiday main dishes were often expected to be meat-based. The roast is their rebuttal to Norman Rockwell’s iconic Thanksgiving turkey, with its own cachet and fame.

Tofurky was the trailblazer, setting the standard for a plant-based offering that still captured the festivity of the holiday season. These roasts, with their bouncy exterior and squidgy wild rice stuffing, some accompanied by a packet of gravy and even a vegan brownie for dessert, haven’t changed much over time, and that’s just the way devotees want it. Like the green bean casserole with canned mushroom soup — could you make it more “gourmet” and contemporary? Yes, but holiday diners want it just the way they remember it.

The finished roast is not jiggly and bland like tofu. It’s savory, with good chew and something Thanksgiving-ish and autumnal imparted by the stuffing…

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This time of year, at a factory in Hood River, Ore., workers hustle to produce 6,000 roasts in 10-hour shifts, doing this four days running, before turning to produce the company’s other meat substitutes. We took a team to Oregon to find out exactly how this kneaded paste of wheat gluten, silken tofu and flavorings becomes an enduring holiday favorite. In essence, finding out how the un-sausage is made.

A “masa” of 130 pounds of wheat gluten, 56 pounds of silken tofu puree, 23 pounds of canola oil, water and spices and are loaded into an industrial-sized bowl chopper and kneaded for 15 minutes. Workers swing by to test the gluten activation of the mixture: How stretchy are the proteins? Are they forming longer and longer chains and giving the mixture cohesion and elasticity like bread dough being proofed? The churning mass smells yeasty and a lot like bread dough. When the temperature of the mixture reaches 90 degrees Fahrenheit and it has a smooth, elastic texture, it’s ready for the next stage. The mixture is dumped into a hopper and whisked away on a wheeled dolly.

Tofurky has a production staff of about 175 workers, 50 of them in this Hood River facility. Four people mix the masa, one person makes the wild rice stuffing, another is responsible for assembling the dry seasoning mix. In the packing room, it’s all hands on deck to build the boxes and assemble the finished holiday roast packages. The roast with gravy runs about $13.50 and serves about five people…

After that, frozen roasts are rolled over to the packing room, where a group of workers tuck a roast and gravy pack into festively decorated cardboard boxes that proclaim, “yum for all.” For 20 years, the packages described the food inside as “vegan”; now it’s “plant-based” to appeal to a wider and younger audience. When the packing team finishes boxing all the roasts for the day, a group cheer goes up. It’s getting close to the end of season for manufacturing holiday roasts…

Okay, *I* found it fascinating… (After all, the production of *actual* Thanksgiving turkey carcasses is hardly less mechanical.) More history & business detail at the link.

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War for Ukraine Day 638: A Brief(er) Thursday Night Update

by Adam L Silverman|  November 23, 20235:09 pm| 19 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Ukrainian anti-drone warfare in action pic.twitter.com/OHThJF0MJZ

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) November 23, 2023

On this Thanksgiving, we want to say thank you, USA!
 
We are grateful for Abrams tanks, ATACMS missiles, Patriot air defense systems, and thousands of pieces of military equipment that have been provided to strengthen Ukraine's defense capabilities.
 
Thank you for your… pic.twitter.com/cqLSeY8eC6

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) November 23, 2023

On this Thanksgiving, we want to say thank you, USA!

We are grateful for Abrams tanks, ATACMS missiles, Patriot air defense systems, and thousands of pieces of military equipment that have been provided to strengthen Ukraine’s defense capabilities.

Thank you for your leadership in building a strong coalition of democracies to help Ukraine fight against tyranny.

We are stronger together.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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Ukraine complements international sanctions mechanisms with its own sanctions – address by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

23 November 2023 – 18:35

I wish you health, fellow Ukrainians!

Today, there are several new sanctions decisions by our state – two packages of sanctions.

This is synchronization with partners regarding those individuals who directly work for or assist Russian aggression. It also means sanctions against the entities of the terrorist state related to critical infrastructure. Each name, each company name is a specific guilty party to the fact that Russian terror continues.

Ukraine complements international sanctions mechanisms with its own sanctions. And we are working to ensure that the sanctions of our partners are extended to those against whom Ukraine has already made appropriate decisions.

Today I signed decrees on more than 300 legal entities and almost 150 individuals of the terrorist state. And our special services, first of all the Security Service of Ukraine, as well as the Cabinet of Ministers and the National Security and Defense Council, will continue their work. There will be other sanctions decisions.

There were several important reports today. In particular, on eliminating the consequences of Russian strikes. In different regions. Thousands of people are working in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipro, Donetsk and Kharkiv regions in utilities, in the State Emergency Service, in medical services, as volunteers to help people and preserve our infrastructure – the essentials for a normal life. I am grateful to each and every person who provides medical care to Ukrainians, who works to extinguish fires after shelling. I thank everyone who restores electricity and water supply, who clears unexploded ordnance and demines the area. All of this is a special kind of courage and dedication, and I am grateful for it.

Today I would like to recognize the employees of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine in Nikopol. Russian troops are bombarding the city almost every day. And every day our people are there to save lives. Captain of the Civil Defense Service Mykola Tkach, Senior Lieutenant Bohdan Tarasiuk, Master Sergeants Oleksandr Bilokon and Oleksandr Zhur, and Sergeant Maksym Preyda. I thank you guys, all your colleagues, and everyone who helps. I would also like to recognize the rescuers who work in Odesa region. Master Sergeants Serhiy Herasymenko, Serhiy Tsymbalystyi, Vitaliy Labutin, Chief Master Sergeants of the Civil Defense Service Ihor Yatsenko and Oleh Shmidt. I thank you, all your colleagues, for efficiency and consistently courageous work.

Of course, I was in touch with the commanders. Maximum attention is paid to Donetsk directions. In particular, Avdiivka. Also Kharkiv region and Kupyansk direction. I am grateful to everyone who is resilient and holds our positions – every soldier, every sergeant, every commander. Today there was also a report from the Head of the Security Service of Ukraine – there are new results in countering enemy operations and collaborators. These are important results, and I am grateful for them. I thank everyone who cares about our country, everyone who fights and works for Ukraine and Ukrainians, everyone who adds their strength to the common strength of our country. The people that is fighting will definitely survive.

Glory to Ukraine!

The price:

Heartbreaking footage: a child sees off his dad to war. pic.twitter.com/hqLNO1EMC7

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) November 23, 2023

The cost:

A key political ally of Vladimir Putin has adopted a child seized from a Ukrainian children's home, according to documents uncovered by BBC's Panorama.https://t.co/vGSc8IUNgP

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) November 23, 2023

This isn’t just disgusting and shocking — it’s a war crime. Sergei Mironov and his wife adopted a child abducted from Ukraine. Margarita Prokopenko, a 10-month-old girl, was in orphanage in Kherson during Russian occupation. From there, she was illegally transported to Russia, where her name and citizenship were altered in secrecy. @BBCPanorama revealed she now bears the name Marina Mironova and is considered a Russian citizen.

From the BBC’s Panaroma:

A key political ally of Vladimir Putin has adopted a child seized from a Ukrainian children’s home, according to documents uncovered by BBC’s Panorama.

Sergey Mironov, the 70-year-old leader of a Russian political party, is named on the adoption record of a two-year-old girl who was taken in 2022 by a woman he is now married to.

Records show the girl’s identity was changed in Russia.

Mr Mironov has not responded to the investigation’s specific allegations.

But on Thursday morning he posted a general criticism on his Telegram account about false information attacks on him and his family.

The child, originally named Margarita, was one of 48 who went missing from Kherson Regional Children’s Home when Russian forces took control of the city.

They are among about 20,000 children who, according to the Ukrainian government, have been taken by Russian forces since the start of the full-scale invasion in 2022.

Earlier this year the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for President Vladimir Putin and his Commissioner for Children’s Rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, for the alleged illegal deportation of Ukrainian children to Russian-controlled territory, with the intention of permanently removing them from their own country.

The Russian government says it does not deport Ukrainian children, but does evacuate them to give them protection from the war.

The BBC worked with Ukrainian human rights investigator Victoria Novikova to find out what happened to Margarita and the other children. Ms Novikova has prepared a dossier of new evidence for Ukraine’s prosecutor-general’s office, which will hand it to the ICC.

The mystery surrounding Margarita began when a woman in a lilac dress turned up at Kherson’s children’s hospital, where the 10-month-old was being treated for a bout of bronchitis in August 2022.

Margarita was the youngest resident of the local children’s home, which looked after children who had medical problems, or whose parents had lost custody of them or had died.

Margarita’s mother had given up custody shortly after her birth, and her father’s whereabouts were unknown.

Dr Nataliya Lyutikova, who led infant treatment at the hospital, said she was a smiley baby who loved cuddling people.

The woman in lilac introduced herself as “the head of children’s affairs from Moscow”, Dr Lyutikova recalls.

Kherson – now back under Ukrainian control – was then in its sixth month of Russian occupation.

Soon after the woman left, Dr Lyutikova says she received repeated phone calls from a Russian-appointed official, who had recently been put in charge of the children’s home. The official demanded that Margarita be sent back to the home immediately.

Within a week, Margarita was discharged from the hospital. The following morning, staff at the children’s home were asked to prepare her for a journey.

“We were afraid, everyone was afraid,” said Lyubov Sayko, a nurse at the home.

She described how Russian men – some in military-style camouflage trousers, one in black glasses and holding a briefcase – had arrived to collect the girl.

“It was like something out of a film,” she said.

But this was just the start.

Seven weeks later, Igor Kastyukevich, a Russian MP dressed in military fatigues, arrived at the home and, with other officials, began to organise the deportation of the remaining children, including Margarita’s half-brother Maxym.

“They took them from our hands and carried them out,” Ms Sayko said.

Video footage – posted on Telegram by Mr Kastyukevich – showed the children, bundled up in their outdoor clothing, being carried into buses and ambulances, and driven away.

“The children will be taken to safe conditions in Crimea,” Mr Kastyukevich said, as the children were loaded up. Crimea was annexed by Russia from Ukraine in 2014. Mr Kastyukevich portrayed the event as a humanitarian mission.

The midnight train

For five months, the BBC has been trying to trace Margarita and the other 47 children, working with Victoria Novikova.

Finding lost children in a place as vast as Russia, a country of more than 17 million sq km (6.6 million sq miles), is no easy task.

The first job was to identify the mysterious woman in lilac who visited Margarita in the hospital last August.

Victoria uncovered a Russian document which authorised Margarita’s transfer to a Moscow hospital for medical tests. A woman was named on the document: Inna Varlamova. A search on social media confirmed she was the mysterious woman in lilac.

We then showed a photo of Ms Varlamova to Dr Lyutikova and she identified her as the same woman who had visited Margarita on the children’s ward.

After further searches, we discovered that Ms Varlamova works in Russia’s parliament, though it is not clear in what capacity, and owns property in Podolsk, near Moscow.

We had solved part of the mystery. But questions remained.

“Margarita did not need a special examination,” said Dr Lyutikova, speaking of the night the child was taken.

“Why take a small child so far away?”

With Inna Varlamova’s name in hand Panorama then acquired train records from sources inside Russia. These showed that she arrived in occupied Ukraine on the same day that witnesses say Margarita was taken from the children’s home.

Later that night, at 12:20, Ms Varlamova took the train back to Moscow, with extra return tickets.

Margarita, the evidence suggests, was spirited out on this midnight train.

But why?

A Russian source then delivered another crucial piece of information: a document showing Ms Varlamova had recently married political party leader Sergey Mironov.

Mr Mironov, a former paratrooper, is the leader of Just Russia Party – part of Russia’s state-authorised opposition – and supports President Putin. He has been sanctioned by a number of Western countries, including the UK and the EU.

Then came a key revelation.

We accessed a birth record, created last December, for a 14-month-old girl named “Marina”. The child’s parents were named as Inna Varlamova and Sergey Mironov. The entry was irregular, showing no original record of the child’s birth.

“Marina’s” birthday was listed as 31 October 2021 – the same day Margarita was born.

“When I saw Marina’s birthday was the same as Margarita’s, I realised it was ‘bingo’,” said Victoria.

Through anonymous Russian sources, our team has now been given Margarita’s adoption record. Margarita Prokopenko has been renamed Marina Mironova, after her adoptive father Sergey Mironov. Her birthplace is listed as Podolsk.

The Russian government said it had no knowledge of Margarita’s case and could not comment.

Much, much more at the link if you can stomach it.

Kyiv to Izium:

The Food Train is designed to produced up to 10 thousand servings of food per day.

All the food from its first journey will be donated to police officers, doctors and rescuers ❤️‍🔥 pic.twitter.com/oa2ShgXt2c

— UNITED24 Media (@United24media) November 23, 2023

Avdiivka:

Stepove, Avdiivka north flank. Occupiers attempting to assault through an empty field to please Putin. M2 Bradley fires back.

Earlier footage, not 23 Nov.https://t.co/dmoHJdzoj4 pic.twitter.com/Uow5gY3Aut

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) November 23, 2023

Kherson Oblast:

Russian serviceman attempts to ram the Ukrainian Baba Yaga drone but fails. “F*ck yeah!”, he says at the end after his drone goes down. https://t.co/nsA8gbKF8U

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) November 23, 2023

Holland:

Far-right leader's election win in the Netherlands is potentially bad for Ukraine. Wilders has spoken fondly of Putin in the past and said he does not support sending military aid to Ukraine. The Dutch have provided or pledged billions to Ukraine, including F-16s, since Feb '22. https://t.co/Gu7qsuhrCJ

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) November 23, 2023

Belgorod, Russia:

On November 16, in Belgorod, Russia, The car of Oleksandr Slisarenko, the Russian appointed «deputy head of the administration of the Kharkiv region», was blown up. He died from injuries received as a result of the explosion.https://t.co/nZFhWeA7IL pic.twitter.com/lkxE4WRsZ6

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) November 23, 2023

That’s enough for tonight.

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Obligatory Thanksgiving Turkey Drop & Puppy Pics

by WaterGirl|  November 23, 20232:30 pm| 73 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Obligatory WKRP Turkey Drop Classic

As someone mentioned downstairs, the funniest part of the show below starts at 17 minutes.  I dare you to be able to turn it off once you start watching.

Link to Mad About You Thanksgiving show

Did I miss any other classics?  I can add them to the post.

🦆

Well, we know what Suzanne is thankful for!

Looks like trouble to me.  The best kind of trouble!  (You can tell by the sideways look with the eyes.)

Anyone else thankful for anything?  Or just cranky because you didn’t get a new puppy?

Open thread.

Update at 6:30 pm. Thanksgiving Zoom reminder:  7-10 pm Eastern time tonight!   RSVP to WaterGirl to get the zoom link.

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