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American history and black history cannot be separated.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

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Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

I would try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

They spent the last eight months firing professionals and replacing them with ideologues.

Donald Trump found guilty as fuck – May 30, 2024!

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Mediocre white men think RFK Jr’s pathetic midlife crisis is inspirational. The bar is set so low for them, it’s subterranean.

“Alexa, change the president.”

I desperately hope that, yet again, i am wrong.

The willow is too close to the house.

Giving up is unforgivable.

If you thought you’d already seen people saying the stupidest things possible on the internet, prepare yourselves.

75% of people clapping liked the show!

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Museums are not America’s attic for its racist shit.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

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‘Republicans Eat Their Young’ – Straight from the Horses Mouth

by WaterGirl|  October 15, 202311:24 am| 159 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Truth from the liar-in-chief!  I would not have predicted that.

To sell snake oil successfully, you have to know how to read a teleprompter…otherwise you might accidentally accuse your donors of being child-eating cannibals.

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— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) October 15, 2023

I know, I can’t normally listen to him, either. But it’s only a few seconds, and it’s totally worth it.

⭐️

Sunday seems like a great time to mock our opponents, who at this point are also our enemies!

But wait, there’s more!

This left me in tears.

This is gorgeous. Well done, Pete Davidson. pic.twitter.com/CvF695VM0i

— Charlotte Clymer 🇺🇦 (@cmclymer) October 15, 2023

Pete Davidson opening on YouTube:

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It wouldn’t be Balloon Juice if we didn’t careen from mockery to serious, from sadness to joy, from anger to tears, from snark to heartfelt sharing.

Totally open thread.

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Sunday Morning Open Thread: “But… “

by Anne Laurie|  October 15, 20238:47 am| 86 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Foreign Affairs

Word “But” Stunned To Find Itself Appearing In Sentence That Began “The Killing of Children Is Never Acceptable” https://t.co/3LRKfnazmx

— Alexandra Petri (@petridishes) October 13, 2023


Alexandra Petri, national treasure, at the Washington Post — “The word ‘But’ asks that it not appear in these sentences”:

… After finding itself in yet another Instagram comment, preceded by the phrases “I am devastated to read about the loss of life” and “I deplore the killing of civilians, especially children,” the word “But” described itself as “horrified” to be included. Although it did not specify what sentiment came after it — possibilities included the phrases “should have had different parents,” and a reference to making omelets and breaking eggs — “But” took to social media to beseech other posters to avoid making this mistake.

The coordinating conjunction begged that those phrases be added to the list of sentences in which it would not appear under any circumstances, a list that already includes: “You never have to compliment Stalin for any reason”; “I don’t want to suggest that slavery wasn’t an unmitigated evil”; and “Genocide is always bad.” The words “Nevertheless,” “Still” and “However” jointly concurred in “But’s” statement, though “Nevertheless” looked visibly tired and strained.

“‘I am against the killing of children, regardless of who their parents are or where they live,’ is a set of words that never should be accompanied by any of us,” their statement read. “If you notice that you are putting us in, please, we beg you, reconsider.”…

In a separate statement, the noun “Collateral Damage” and the adjective “Inevitable” asked to stop being forced to appear together.

“But” concluded its statement by saying it would return to anxiously watching someone compose a post that began “There is no excuse for antisemitism” and praying not to be called into service.

 

It's been hard to see some of the responses to Hamas's attack, to see the erasure of Jewish history and the devaluing of Jewish life, so I wrote something. Because you don't have to erase one people to empower another.

My latest.https://t.co/t8EoEcJz09

— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) October 11, 2023


Julia Ioffe, who emigrated from Russia as a child due to religious persecution, at Puck — “Tragedy in Israel”:

… I want to start by saying that, like for so many Jews in the world, this is deeply, deeply personal for me. This isn’t just because I have friends and relatives in Israel, though I do. (Ironically, many of them are from Moscow: they just fled the war there 18 months ago.) Like so many modern Jews, I am alive because so many of my grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on up the chain, managed to escape annihilation just in time. Scores and scores didn’t. They haunt my family. And I’m not just talking about the Holocaust, but pogroms, the Crusades, the Khmelnitsky revolt in Ukraine, the antisemitic violence launched against Jewish communities all across Europe because someone owed money to a Jew or it was a Christian holiday or because hey, someone was just in the mood to lock some Jews in a synagogue and set it on fire.

We’ve been driven to near extinction in Europe many times, and the Holocaust was just the latest salvo. Most Ashkenazi Jews are descended from just 350 people because of a population bottleneck that occurred about a thousand years ago, and it wasn’t for happy reasons. And by the way, the reason we were in Christian Europe to begin with—where every country and kingdom would take turns expelling us—is because, in the first and second centuries A.D., the Romans slaughtered us and kicked us out of the place we were originally from, Judea, and then renamed it Palaestina. After the slaughter, the Romans brought 100,000 Jewish slaves from there to ancient Rome, where they were forced to build some of the monuments tourists flock to see today. And still, there was a small but continuous presence in what is now Israel-Palestine from then until now.

I say all this not because I don’t also value Palestinian life—I do—or because I don’t think this place is also Palestinians’ home—I do—but because so many people who are not Jewish do not understand the urgent feeling of scarcity that so many Jews feel about their community. After everything, and especially after the Holocaust killed most European Jews, there is not just a sense of fear that something like this can happen again—after all, it always has—but also that we’re always balancing on the precipice of extinction. So when 1,000 Jews are killed in a single day—the single deadliest day for Jews since the end of the Holocaust—it strikes at something very, very deep in me and, I’m sure, most Jews…

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My point here is not to relitigate history or to excuse the actions of the Israeli government, which has pursued an increasingly horrific and dehumanizing policy toward the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, especially under Bibi Netanyahu. (In fact, Bibi has always played with violence, provoking it and ratcheting it up in the occupied territories so that he can come down hard and show Israelis, See? Only I can protect you.) My point is these incomplete narratives—if I’m to put it diplomatically—erase the Jewish connection to the place. They also erase the value of Jewish life.

We see that kind of erasure, unfortunately, on both sides. Right-wing Israelis claim that Palestinians aren’t a real people and that they don’t have a right to the land. Left-wing Westerners, often with no ties to the region, say that Jews are white colonizers, oppressors who are getting what they deserve…

I don’t know what will happen or what can happen to solve this. Those who talk about a two-state solution are living in a world that hasn’t existed for a decade. Neither Israelis nor Palestinians seem to want one anymore. They each want a state of their own, a state without the other, and the ethno-nationalism that built Israel—born as it was out of slaughter and oppression—has fueled the ethno-nationalism of the Palestinians, born out of the exact same elements. Both sides have hardened to an exclusionary extreme that precludes compromise or coexistence, and the events of the last week will ensure that even the embers of those hopes are doused cold. Before Saturday, the plan seemed to have been to wait each other out—or, if they were Israelis, ignore the problem and their complicity in it. Now, it is to fight to the death…

I don’t know exactly how this ends, nor do I have any hope that it ends well. It had always been hard for people to hold two contradictory truths simultaneously, that these two deeply traumatized peoples both have a real and legitimate claim to the land, claims that each side has at times acknowledged about the other, claims that have been warped in both camps by emotion and trauma and religion and nationalism into dehumanization and heartlessness, into forgetting that Israeli children and Palestinian children both deserve to live and thrive. Now, it will be impossible, at least for the foreseeable future, though, my god, do I wish it weren’t so.

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Dank Grey Dawn Open Thread: Jim Jordan’s Speaker Race

by Anne Laurie|  October 15, 20233:40 am| 71 Comments

This post is in: Jan 6: Insurrection, Open Threads, Republican Politics, Republicans in Disarray!, Schadenfreude

.@RadioFreeTom to @SykesCharlie: "The fact that you and I are living in a world where it is at least notionally possible that Jim Jordan would become the speaker … is so utterly fantastic not because Jim Jordan is some transdimensional warlock, but because he’s an idiot."

— Jack Pitney ???????? (@jpitney) October 14, 2023

As the old saying goes, There’s nothing like being popular with your colleagues, and Gym Jordan is nothing like popular…

One Republican told me Jordan can use the weekend to win over votes.

Then I turned off my recorder, and asked again about Jordan's chances.

No, he can't win – was the quick answer.

— Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) October 13, 2023

lol he got 124 votes when he was essentially running uncontested. now he wants some kind of weird “what if”/mulligan ballot for what reason it’s not entirely clear. And there’s a Greek chorus off to the side chanting: THEYRE JUST NOT THAT INTO YOU. https://t.co/bKhchD90KX

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 13, 2023

Dank Grey Dawn Open Thread: Jim Jordan's Speaker Race
Late Night Open Thread: Jim Jordan's Speaker Race

CNN, Saturday morning — “Jordan faces grim prospects in speaker’s fight after whirlwind week for House GOP”:

After a series of setbacks, Republicans ended the week no closer to electing a new speaker as deep internal divisions have left the conference struggling to govern and the House in a state of paralysis.

The chaos within House GOP ranks intensified dramatically over the past several days as the conference has tried and so far failed to find a viable successor to Kevin McCarthy following his unprecedented ouster at the hands of a small faction of hardline conservatives.

Rep. Jim Jordan is the new GOP speaker nominee following Majority Leader Steve Scalise’s exit from the race. But the Ohio Republican faces the same kind of grim vote math that doomed Scalise’s speaker bid as Jordan lacks the 217 votes needed to win the gavel in a full House floor vote.

Jordan has the weekend to continue to make his case and attempt to flip holdouts, but he faces a steep uphill battle…

Republicans have grown increasingly frustrated that the conference has not been able to coalesce around a candidate. Some are openly questioning whether anyone can reach 217 votes.

On Friday, Jordan won the speaker nomination against GOP Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia – who made a surprise last-minute bid – in a 124 to 81 vote, leaving him far short of 217.

Jordan then called a second vote Friday afternoon asking members if they would support him on the floor. That vote, which was cast by secret ballot, was 152 to 55, laying bare the major challenge Jordan faces in his bid for the gavel.

Jordan or any other Republican speaker candidate can only afford to lose four GOP votes when the full House votes for speaker if all members are voting…

Before a House Speaker is elected, will Americans discover exactly what Jim Jordan might have done to abet the January 6 insurrection, starting with what was said in his private conversations with Trump before and during that notorious day?

— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) October 14, 2023

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Jim Jordan should never be the Speaker of the House.
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— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) October 13, 2023

Jim Jordan was involved in Trump's conspiracy to steal the election and seize power; he urged that Pence refuse to count lawful electoral votes. If Rs nominate Jordan to be Speaker, they will be abandoning the Constitution. They’ll lose the House majority and they’ll deserve to.

— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) October 13, 2023

This isn't a "Wow." This is a fact. https://t.co/0jsiinDtq3

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) October 14, 2023

It was on television, Lisa.

— juliusgoat.bsky.social (@JuliusGoat) October 14, 2023

Politico — “Will Jim Jordan bully his way to the speakership?”:

… While Jordan won the GOP nomination for speaker yesterday, the vote was far from the display of unity that he and his allies had predicted. An eye-popping 81 Republicans rejected Jordan in favor of a low-key backbencher, Rep. Austin Scott (R-Ga.), who decided to run just hours before the vote.

“We were shocked at the number of people who did not vote for him,” Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Fla.) told Bloomberg. “There was nowhere else to go, and they still didn’t want to go there.”

The challenge Jordan is facing boils down to this: Despite becoming more aligned with leadership over the past three years, many of his colleagues still don’t trust him.

Lots of them worry he’ll embrace fiscal brinkmanship and steer the government into shutdowns. An even larger group is furious with how he treated Steve Scalise after the House majority leader won the nomination Wednesday, and they aren’t keen on seeing the second-place finisher end up with the gavel.

It should come as no surprise, though, that Jordan and his allies are ready to fight in a way that Scalise wasn’t. Their strategy is simple: Smoke out the holdouts in a public floor vote and put them in a political pressure cooker…

But getting to 217 will require a scorched-earth whipping effort that goes against the entire pitch Jordan made to his colleagues in recent days — that he’s a changed man who will represent all Republicans, not just base-pleasing conservatives.

And should he move to bulldoze his opposition on the floor, that would repudiate his position earlier this week — that the nominee needed to garner 217 votes inside the conference before waging a floor fight…

Imagine 519 days into defying a subpoena you are rewarded with being 2nd in line to the American presidency.

Imagine no longer. That person will be Speaker Jordan.

— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) October 13, 2023

It gets even worse for Jordan. Sources told us that Republican members of the Armed Services and Appropriations committees are forming an alliance of nearly 20 to block Jordan from becoming speaker. If that holds, there’s no chance Jordan can get the gavel.

— Barbara Comstock (@BarbaraComstock) October 13, 2023

Pence: Jim Jordan would be an outstanding speaker

Collins: It's interesting to hear you say that given he was someone who sent a text to the chief of staff on January 5th that outlined for you to violate the constitution pic.twitter.com/tuDo3GuNsh

— Acyn (@Acyn) October 14, 2023

Karma does not play. Scalise supporters in the Republican caucus are reportedly furious that Jim Jordan refused to acknowledge the election results from Wednesday’s nomination vote that Scalise won.

Scalise spent months denying the 2020 election results.

— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) October 13, 2023

Still thinking about this- Jordan went into Scalise’s office after losing to him and made this awful ultimatum which he justified by saying “America wants me” and then 1/3 of his own colleagues voted for a nobody who said he didn’t want to be Speaker rather than let Jordan get it https://t.co/uXmLXHkcoE

— Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) October 13, 2023

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War for Ukraine Day 598: A Brief Saturday Night Update

by Adam L Silverman|  October 14, 20239:35 pm| 61 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

Art by NEIVANMADE of a Ukrainian painted black and outlined in blood red kneeling in grief with hands covering the face surrounded by the bodies of Ukrainians killed by Russians on a grey background. "Russia Is Committing Genocide Right Now" is across the top center of the image.

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

Housekeeping note:

1) Tonight’s update is going to be brief. I have had a ton of stuff to do all day that has kept me offline. I’ve prepped most of what you’re going to read before I headed out for the day and just cut President Zelenskyy’s address in right before posting.

2) Last night I had to ban someone for going way off the rails in the comments to the war update. This was after I politely asked them to dial it back a bit. When they then decided to turn it up, I made the call. I also immediately let Cole know. Tomorrow AM my schedule should finally clear enough to do something of an Israel-Hamas war update. But I just want to make a couple of things clear right now. First, there are no winners among the Palestinians from Hamas’s attack last Saturday, nor will there be any winners among Israelis from Israel’s response. I’ll get into this more tomorrow, but for all intents and purposes Hamas’s attack was a PSYACT. A PSYACT is a form of psychological operation often using a physical real world activity intended to produce a real world result or elicit a specific real world response. If you remember back to my post after the 2015 ISIS attack on St. Michael outside Paris, the intention of the attack wasn’t just to kill and main and injure and terrify a lot of people. Rather it was to make the French and their western allies overreact in their response creating a French versus Muslims and Islam response. At the same time it was intended to force French Muslims to choose between being French or being Muslim. To collapse the civic space and force them to pick a side. Hamas’s attack was similarly intended even if the initial and most visible effects were the killing and the hostage taking. And this is part of the reason that there will be no actual Palestinian or Israeli winners regardless how this ultimately resolves.

Second, we need to make sure we do not conflate all Israelis with the Netanyahu governments that have run the country for 13 of the last 15 years, just as we must do the same thing in separating the Gazans from Hamas. Remember, back in 2010 Bibi stole the premiership. Likud came in 2nd in those elections. However, while Tzipi Livni, whose party had the largest number of members of Knesset elected, was assembling her coalition, Bibi simply ignored Israeli law, assembled his own, declared a government, and dared anyone to stop him or reverse his action. No one did. From there the opposition kept splintering while Bibi enabled and empowered ever more extreme elements to form coalition governments from what was often the barest of majorities all while running caretaker governments when they splintered and fell apart. At the same time, because of a stupid decision by the Bush 43 administration convinced that elections equal democracy, enabled by Bibi who wanted to build up Hamas as a foil to Fatah and the Palestine Authority in order to prevent a 2 state peace process from ever being implemented, Hamas won the only election in Gaza in 2006. There has never been another election. And yes, technically both Israelis and Palestinians could’ve revolted and overthrown Bibi or Hamas respectively. But actually doing it is a lot harder said than done.

Third, we need to make sure not to conflate Jews and Israelis and Judaism with Zionism, as well as Palestinians with Hamas and Hamas with Islam. These are not interchangeable concepts. Do not make them so.

More, hopefully, tomorrow.

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.

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As terror is spreading, it is important for the world to give an unambiguous signal that protection against terror will not falter anywhere – address by the President of Ukraine

14 October 2023 – 20:07

I wish you health, fellow Ukrainians!

This week is coming to an end, the week of air defense for Ukraine, the week of reinforcement. This is a key priority before winter.

And it’s time to thank our partners for their new decisions on support. This week’s decisions.

The Netherlands – talks with Mark Rutte in Odesa, the decision on additional Patriot missiles, support for our ground operations and sea export corridors. There is also a defense package that was announced at Ramstein. Thank you very much!

There are packages from Spain, packages from Britain. Norway, Finland – thank you. Germany. A joint defense package from the Czech Republic and our friends from Denmark. I thank all the leaders for fulfilling our agreements!

Along with additional missiles for air defense, there will be new launching stations – we are working on different types of systems. There will be spare parts for the systems that Ukraine already uses. Of course, there will also be artillery – shells, first of all. Drones. Armored vehicles. All the leaders who help us are fully informed about the current situation on the battlefield. The world understands what Russia is preparing for and what terrorist moves it may be planning. We also know how to respond to the occupier. And we will respond in a powerful way.

Before the Ramstein meeting in Brussels, I had a good, much-needed meeting with Secretary Austin and the new head of the U.S. military, General Brown. There was a clear confirmation of support for Ukraine, a clear willingness to intensify our actions together and continue to put pressure on the occupier both in the fall and winter. And by the way, the United States announced at Ramstein that it will co-chair the F-16 coalition with the Netherlands and Denmark. This is an important decision, thank you very much!

We had excellent talks with the Belgian government. We are grateful to Belgium for joining our F-16 coalition and for its leadership in the use of frozen Russian assets. This is a truly necessary step – Belgium became the first country to send funds generated by Russian assets to Ukraine. We are working with other EU countries and the rest of the world to ensure that they use the aggressor’s funds in the fair way – to defend against aggression.

I would like to make a special mention of the conference in Croatia that took place this week – on humanitarian demining. Almost a third of our territory is under threat from mines and unexploded ordnance. Obviously, we need global support to clear our land of Russian mines. And now in Croatia, there were more than 40 countries and international organizations participating in a conference on this very issue. There are new decisions on support for demining. I am grateful to every country that joined!

As terror is spreading across the globe, it is important for the world to give an unambiguous signal that protection against terror will not falter anywhere.

Of course, our warriors. In all areas where it is particularly hot right now. Avdiivka, Maryinka and other key locations in Donetsk region. Klishchiivka, Kurdiumivka, Andriivka. Staromayorske. Of course, Kupyansk direction. Zaporizhzhia region – Orikhiv, Robotyne, Verbove, Novoprokopivka. I thank everyone who is holding their positions and destroying Russian troops. Every day of these battles is lives. Lives that are sacrificed for the sake of our country. And this is the life of the whole of Ukraine, which is being saved every day, every night by every successful battle. It is so important!

Glory to you, warriors! Glory to our people! And thank you to everyone in the world who helps us!

Glory to Ukraine!

The Financial Times has confirmed that the DPRK has supplied the Russians with munitions.

National Security Council Spokesperson John Kirby said Friday that North Korea has delivered arms to Russia for its war in Ukraine

“In recent weeks North Korea has provided Russia with more than 1,000 containers of military equipment and munitions.” https://t.co/4VfORlIniS pic.twitter.com/AhwIc0IzPs

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) October 14, 2023

The US has information that North Korea has delivered arms to Russia for use in Ukraine, National Security Council Spokesman John Kirby said.

“In recent weeks North Korea has provided Russia with more than 1,000 containers of military equipment and munitions,” Kirby told reporters on Friday. The US released imagery showing the movement of the containers from North Korea into Russia by ship.

The US is also concerned about Russian assistance to North Korea, he said. North Korea is seeking fighter aircraft and surface to air missiles, as well as other materials and advanced technologies, among other things.

They are observing whether Moscow will provide this assistance and have seen Russian ships offloading containers in North Korea which “may constitute the initial deliveries of materiel from Russia”, he said.

The US would enforce existing sanctions and impose new ones to target this relationship, Kirby said.

Kyiv:

Kyiv today. Sometimes, it takes time to understand who your friends and enemies are. However, in critical situations, your mind becomes very clear pic.twitter.com/sNJyD98Jzm

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) October 14, 2023

The hottest part of the theater still seems to be at Avdiivka:

After days of intense combat in Avdiivka, I've decided to make a preliminary analysis of the ongoing events. I'm looking at the bigger picture, aiming to spot key patterns and notable signs that can help us understand the situation better. This analysis will cover both the… pic.twitter.com/jXmGblcbMZ

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) October 14, 2023

After days of intense combat in Avdiivka, I’ve decided to make a preliminary analysis of the ongoing events. I’m looking at the bigger picture, aiming to spot key patterns and notable signs that can help us understand the situation better. This analysis will cover both the upsides and downsides based on the limited data on hand.

The scale of the Russian assault on Avdiivka underscores their determination to achieve their objectives. Russians have deployed what I’ve identified as at least two mechanized battalions or two battalion-tactical groups in the primary attack directions, alongside smaller units in other areas, constituting an operation of approximately regimental size. This represents a significant departure from the smaller company and platoon-sized tactical groups that both sides have employed in recent months.

Based on information from various sources, it appears that the Russians have deployed a substantial number of units, potentially constituting a force of at least a few brigades. However, the exact total number is difficult to accurately assess at this time.

One group advanced from the South-West of Avdiivka, while another attempted to advance from the North-Eastern side of Avdiivka. The group originating from Krasnohorivka initially made progress, overrunning defensive positions in the North, with some elements even reaching the railroad. Both groups suffered losses, but the northern group achieved tangible results, primarily due to the element of surprise and the concentrated firepower of a mechanized force.

Positive Aspects:

– A conservative estimate from our team, based on visual evidence, indicates that Russian forces lost a minimum of 45 vehicles, predominantly tanks and IFVs, by the morning of October 12th. The actual number is likely higher, as we lacked visuals from some areas, especially the South and South-Western regions of Avdiivka.

– The initial Russian assault did not seem to achieve the desired results of securing areas beyond the railroad in the north and seizing Sieverne and Tonenke in the south, which would significantly impact the operational environment for Ukraine.

– This operation appears to be primarily politically motivated rather than militarily necessary. Following the loss of Pisky and most of Mariinka, Avdiivka remains the only sizable settlement under Ukrainian control in close proximity to Donetsk. However, given the realities of warfare, it is unlikely that Ukraine will launch a ground offensive into Donetsk from this location in the near future. Avdiivka is well-fortified, and the Russians have suffered significant losses in multiple attempts to capture it since 2022. The Russian motivation appears to be securing a substantial public victory before winter, in contrast to the limited successes of the Ukrainian army in liberating territories in 2023 and the loss of Bakhmut.

– Despite the initial challenges and the element of surprise, Ukrainian soldiers on the ground demonstrated remarkable resilience and managed to halt the progress of the mechanized enemy groups. This achievement can be attributed to individual acts of heroism, skill, and determination to hold their positions.

– From a combination of sources, including photographs, drone videos, and personal accounts, Russian mechanized units have incurred significant losses as a result of Ukrainian drones, which have been supplied by volunteers and regular citizens, properly set mines, timely deployed AT teams, and artillery fire.

Negative Aspects:

– Despite prior knowledge of the enemy’s buildup for an offensive operation, the attack still caught Ukrainian forces off guard, and it appears that some areas were ill-prepared for such an assault, revealing some vulnerabilities.

– The Russians executed a regiment-sized operation by deploying several battalions and smaller auxiliary forces. This demonstrates their capacity to conduct larger-scale operations and access to sufficient resources.

– They managed to penetrate the rear and flank areas of Avdiivka. While this does not necessarily guarantee an immediate encirclement, it presents a perilous situation and an unwelcome development. The Bakhmut operation also began with substantial and seemingly unsustainable losses for the Russians, but after securing control over the flanks, the situation deteriorated for Ukrainian forces. While the operational context is different, we cannot yet assert that the situation is stable.

– While the focus is on Russian losses, the fact that they were able to break through and seize some Ukrainian positions in the north and south suggests that Ukrainian forces likely incurred losses. Unlike easily trackable vehicle losses, assessing human casualties is more challenging

Conclusions:

The enemy is actively seeking to shift the strategic initiative and mold public perception to their advantage. This determination is evident in their efforts to secure Avdiivka and the Kharkiv region. Their goal is likely to achieve victories that could potentially offset or negate the gains made by the Ukrainian army in the South during the summer and fall of 2023. The intended message is clear: “Regardless of the aid provided to Ukraine, Russia will continue to advance and achieve victories”. The gravity of this intent is highlighted by the scale and commitment displayed in this offensive.

I advise you to stay cautious when assessing the overall situation. The Russians appear to be concentrating significant forces in the Avdiivka area, potentially involving more vehicles and personnel than they have already lost, indicating their capability for further advances. Independent observers can verify this by noting that the battle has persisted non-stop for the fourth day, marked by ongoing company-sized (at least) assaults.

The scale of enemy losses has been significant, but keep in mind that this doesn’t necessarily preclude them from achieving their objectives. In the eyes of their leadership, the potential gains from this massive assault operation far outweigh the value of the vehicles and human resources expended. This pattern of prioritizing strategic and operational goals over immediate losses has been a consistent historical feature of the Russian and Soviet armies.

The future success of these efforts is likely dependent on the availability of reserves on both sides and the willingness to commit additional forces to this operation.

 

Repelling Russian attacks on Avdiivka. Video by the 110th brigade of Ukraine. https://t.co/kUsIRpqpVK pic.twitter.com/H9qnEkAzuL

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 14, 2023

Avdiivka

➡️Fighting occurs east of Terrikon and the railway tracks. No improvements.
➡️Russians have possibly come closer to Sjeverne, but this needs further visual confirmation.https://t.co/cNI9gz1uKw

— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) October 14, 2023

Avdiivka offensive: their mood (not so good).https://t.co/WqzgFUj53t pic.twitter.com/nEGTxaqamH

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) October 14, 2023

Machine translation from the Telegram link in the tweet:

Along Avdeevka. A large-scale offensive (by the standards of last year) launched simultaneously in the northern and southern directions from Avdievka has so far brought rather limited tactical results. From what is known, in the south we managed to advance to the outskirts of Severny, and in the north we reached the waste heap and railway in front of Stepov. Many would like to hear specific accusations, but the reason for heavy losses and long battles is not only the familiar “Muradovism”, but mainly the terrain in which one has to operate and the preparedness of the enemy’s defensive positions. The attack directions are open mined fields, separated from each other by landings with trenches, strongholds and anti-tank crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, the objective lack of firepower, their weak concentration and interaction with each other, multiplied by the length and fortification of the enemy’s positions, does not allow completely isolating the combat area from the approach of reserves and suppressing enemy fire. At the moment, the RF Armed Forces find themselves in a situation similar to the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Zaporozhye. Driving in convoys is a necessary measure in conditions of continuous minefields, and every meter traveled comes with great effort and a high price. And if in Zaporozhye the Armed Forces of Ukraine took villages several hundred meters to a kilometer long with one-story buildings one by one for several weeks and months, then Avdeevka is a 10-kilometer city with a multi-story district and several industrial zones. By the way, once again those who like to announce in advance about completed encirclements, cauldrons, deep breakthroughs and resounding victories have done a disservice to everyone. Military Informant

 

A rather interesting breakdown of the Avdiivka operation from a Russian source. Long read, but useful for a layman like myself.
It's conclusions essentially come down to: the operation was well-prepared in advance, and caught Ukrainians off guard, but bogged down to Bakhmut pace… pic.twitter.com/FJnV4Knvym

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) October 14, 2023

Machine translation from the Telegram link in the tweet:

Game in Civilization
#War
#Ukraine
#Operations

To try to surround Avdeevka. So first remember previously made forecast, quote:

Local, very limited in tasks attacks occur with the aim of occupying more favorable defensive lines where this makes sense. They did not start yesterday, and from time to time they will occur, perhaps even somewhere they will lead to some small success, for example, some height will be recaptured from the enemy.
The joyful of this is only that there are shells for artillery.
These actions do not have operational value.

Now that the Ukrainian offensive has virtually completely fizzled out, it is important to understand this – as soon as we try to attack ourselves, all the laws of the positional impasse will turn against us.

And now we look at Avdeevka. How did the Russian command distinguish itself there? In order:

1. The enemy was outmaneuvered with the concentration of troops, the attack was so sudden that on the first day all observers noted very weak artillery fire from the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

2. Thorough reconnaissance – for example, a number of commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the preparation of the offensive, strikes were carried out on the command post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which were successful, and this did not lead to the discovery of the plans of the Russian command.
3. To accelerate the breakthrough of Russian units through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, stockpiles of high-precision weapons of the same LMUR were created, and the interaction of ground units with helicopters was worked out. Also, for the accelerated breakthrough of the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russian troops massively use incendiary ammunition, with all the consequences for the Armed Forces.
That is, we are dealing with a pre-prepared attack, carefully planned, for which stockpiles of material and technical equipment, including high-precision weapons, were carried out, a set of intelligence measures was carried out, offensive groups of ground forces were secretly prepared for nomination, a serious outfit of attack aircraft forces was allocated.
At the same time, it was possible to achieve surprise.

So what? After the first weddings, the AFU was transferred to the site of the breakthrough of reinforcements, including artillery, and our weddings of the first hours were bought. Now the advance of the Russian troops has slipped to the Bakhmouth pace – tens of meters per day at best, the enemy goes into a counterattack.
This is what a positional dead end looks like.
And this was written more than once on the channel.
What did the Russian army not overpower from what is needed at the tactical level for a successful breakthrough within a reasonable time?
The first is the isolation of the war zone. It is clear that some actions in this direction were taken, but the Armed Forces were able to transfer the necessary reserves to the Avdeevka area.
It is important that if ours transfer more troops to this site, then the Armed Forces will do the same. And then again, and again, such a “human trade” has no limits.
The second is the counter-battery struggle. Everything here is currently more difficult than is customary to think, we will not disclose the topic, we simply indicate the fact – KBB is not effective enough.
And this was enough to slow down the compression of Russian “sticks” to an acceptable slow for the Armed Forces.
Can the operation around Avdeevka end in success?
It depends on what is considered as such. Theoretically, having rested, and having suffered heavy losses, you can cut off this ledge, at least, finally would make life easier for people in Donetsk, and at least one of the voiced tasks of the SVO would be partially completed.
But quickly cut off the ledge held by the Armed Forces, so that they could not leave and lose troops in this area would not work, and this is already obvious.
The Russian army will have to change beyond recognition if the country’s leadership wants to end this war with a significant victory, and at least with a stretch it could be called reasonable.
Otherwise, we are doomed to multi-month meat grinders for each area and each village on the way.
This is a positional war.
In our current state, we will not be able to overcome it.
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Game in Civilization
#War
#Ukraine
#Operations

Once again about the possibility of a Russian offensive. And this is precisely what. What’s happening? Local, very limited-purpose attacks occur with the aim of occupying more favorable defensive lines where this makes sense. They are…

And for you logistics enthusiasts, here’s some Avdiivka related logistics material for you:

#RussianArtilleryShellFunnel #1PageAssessUKRWar
A call for data…

Interesting post by @wartranslated today… a mention of problems of Russian barrel wear. It has got to be severe at this point – especially given Russian's don't do that maintenance or logistics thing.

I did… https://t.co/YslSLnS6TU pic.twitter.com/Eqzh4yiXKp

— HerrDr8 (@HerrDr8) October 13, 2023

#RussianArtilleryShellFunnel #1PageAssessUKRWar
A call for data…

Interesting post by @wartranslated today… a mention of problems of Russian barrel wear. It has got to be severe at this point – especially given Russian’s don’t do that maintenance or logistics thing.

I did some analysis on Russian artillery shell challenges (chart left)…and the staggering Russian artillery loss rate since the counteroffensive began – and the #Avdiika debacle spike (chart top right)…and the Ukrainian artillery platform/counterbattery/drone advantage (chart lower right).

What I haven’t done, is an analytical thread on Russian barrel wear…I need some hard data.

Anyone in #OSINTGuild224 have that? Or anyone else?

Kreminna:

KREMINNA AXIS /1325 UTC OCT 14/ UKR breaks up five additional RU attacks on Makiivka. RU airstrikes hit Nevske, Bilohorivka, Novoliubivka, & Serebryansk forestry. pic.twitter.com/yXv1WrLZQI

— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) October 14, 2023

Robotyne:

And yes, the counter-offensive hasn't gone anywhere. Russians report about relentless attacks in Robotyne area on a daily basis with smart rotation of troops by Ukrainians. Some movement was reported towards Kopany (west of Robotyne rather than east, towards Verbove).

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) October 14, 2023

Full text of the first tweet:

Ukrainian forces are utilising helicopters in the Robotyne area of the counter-offensive. This puzzles the Russians:

“News from the Zaporozhye Front, Robotyne area:

Helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces flew freely, where did they come from? I don’t know, but they were noticed in Robotyne, they flew to the west, towards Kopan, they fired. And they went north.”

It is clear that enemy helicopters are flying at extremely low altitudes, which means that the command will have to think about what means of destruction to bring to the forefront of our defense.

This is the second documented case of such a maneuver by the Ukrainian Armed Forces recently.”

Verbove, Zaporizhzhia Oblast:

The density of the mined territory in the area of ​​Verbove, Zaporizhzhia direction. Photo from a Russian drone.https://t.co/jGegfuO21T pic.twitter.com/yeTFwMb5gz

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) October 14, 2023

Sochi, Russia:

Source: https://t.co/FxktTpw8hs

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) October 14, 2023

GSLDBs should soon be on their way to Ukraine.

Boeing/Saab is on track to supply Ukraine with GLSDB long-range bombs.

"We are on track to deliver the first GLSDB and a new launcher to the Ukrainian military," a company official said. Ukraine is expected to receive them somewhere in autumn. https://t.co/eOXXqui1mn

— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) October 13, 2023

And now it’s a Balloon Juice food post. Gets emergency tiara and frilly apron…

Awesome video about the cooks of the Ukrainian 47th Brigade. pic.twitter.com/fDo7MtAxbE

— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) October 14, 2023

That’s enough for today!

Your daily Patron!

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— Patron (@PatronDsns) October 14, 2023

There’s a new slide show at Patron’s official TikTok. Those don’t embed here, so click through if you want to see it.

Open thread!

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Pop-Up Balloon Juice Meetup – San Francisco Bay Area – Tuesday Early Evening

by WaterGirl|  October 14, 20238:57 pm| 32 Comments

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Last-minute trip by HinTN and he’s hoping to meet up with some folks.  This is all I know:

South Bay, technically Pacific Coast highway just north of Half Moon Bay

This Tuesday, 17 October 2023.

Reservation at La Costanera. 5:30 PM

Anybody think they might be able to make it?

I have HinTN’s email and phone number for anyone who is interested.

Totally open thread.

 

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Postcard Writing & Music Thread

by WaterGirl|  October 14, 20238:00 pm| 62 Comments

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It’s postcards and music time!

All the details on options for writing for Ohio Issue 1 and for Virginia – and images of postcards – are always available in the sidebar.  To make it extra easy to find, I have copied it just below the postcard image.

Chime in if you know about others good post-card writing options for OH or VA.

Also, send me a photo of your postcards and I’ll post it in the thread and add it to the link in the sidebar.

Postcard by Blue Guitarist!

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Music!

No playlist from brendancalling tonight, but we’ll have a metal playlist next Saturday.  So add your musical links in the comments!

I can’t stop watching this video that Alison Rose linked to last week.  It makes me so happy to watch, and yet so sad at the same time.  All those great musicians, so youthful, so long ago.  Time is passing, dammit!

Open thread.

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Open Thread: Space, the Final-ish Frontier

by Anne Laurie|  October 14, 20236:45 pm| 79 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Open Threads, Science & Technology, Space

NASA says it's found water, carbon and organic matter on an asteroid sample that returned to Earth last month https://t.co/n442kOKgM5 pic.twitter.com/m5TMzf6xUy

— Reuters (@Reuters) October 11, 2023

Sounds like NASA got what it wanted from the asteroid Bennu. "If we're looking for biologically essential organic molecules, we picked the right asteroid, and we brought back the right sample. This is an astrobiologist's dream."

Article:https://t.co/jYvPxdoRw2

— Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) October 11, 2023

Dr. David Spergel, who headed a vaunted panel on unexplained aerial phenomena, explains how a NASA app and everyday citizens can solve the mystery. https://t.co/5OMOIpztbq

— New York Magazine (@NYMag) October 10, 2023

We want to believe, but within the limits of possibility… — “Why NASA Wants Your UFO Videos”:

Last year, as the topic of UFOs was exploding back into the mainstream, NASA convened a panel of outside experts, the UAP Independent Study Team, to assess the unclassified evidence the government had collected. (UAP, for “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena,” is the government-approved euphemism for UFO.) The group was a science-nerd murderers’ row whose purpose was to help the space agency handle a subject that had long attracted conspiracy theories — but which was also grounds for legitimate questions, considering the unexplained objects people had been observing and recording with increasing frequency. Heading the 17-member panel was Dr. David Spergel, a longtime Princeton professor of astrophysics who in 2021 took over as president of the Simons Foundation, a $5 billion nonprofit that supports basic science research. The group held a public meeting to discuss its work in May and released its final report last month. Among its top-line findings was that it had found no evidence of extraterrestrial UFOs, but that more data would be needed to settle the matter conclusively — including data from civilians who capture unidentified phenomena. It was a circumspect conclusion that, predictably, did little to satisfy true believers on either side of the UAP divide.

Intelligencer spoke with Spergel at his office at the Simons Foundation’s building near Madison Square, where he discussed why NASA got involved in the hunt for UFOs, what the odds of finding aliens are, and whether David Duchovny really believes that the truth is out there.

Why did NASA want to get involved in UFOs?
This starts with the Navy starting to declassify a bunch of images. The most famous one is the “Tic Tac” [filmed by a U.S. Navy fighter off the coast of San Diego], which is about 20 years old now. You look at those incidents and you say, “There’s something weird going on we don’t understand.” Then, having delved into the incident a bit, you realize that you wish they collected better data. What we’re left with is hard to interpret. NASA is a scientific agency. It’s charged with investigating the unknown. And the head of NASA announced, “We’re going to weigh in on this.”

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After looking at evidence declassified by the Pentagon’s UAP organization, AARO (“All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office”), the panel concluded that most reported UAPs were either balloons, drones, or airplanes. What does that tell you?
The number of drones that are up at any given moment is enormous — they’re just monitoring fires and gas pipelines and helping farmers monitor crops. There’s also a ton of balloons. It turns out that small amateur balloons below a certain size didn’t have to be reported to the FAA. There’s probably some regulatory cleanup needed to make sure that balloons at low altitudes are not a threat to pilots.

Why is the U.S. government interested in publicly investigating UAPs now, after 70-odd years of inaction?
The Chinese balloon incident is very illustrative. There’s a class of events that are associated with unusual objects seen around U.S. Navy planes, particularly in the Pacific. It’s clear that the Chinese have an active program of monitoring the U.S. fleet. Understanding that class of events is absolutely within the military’s area of responsibility…

How many UAP reports has the government investigated?
Right now, what we have is 800 events that AARO has looked at and studied, and they’ve explained many of them. The set of events they’ve explained is too small for machine learning. You’d like to have 100,000 reports of balloons by people taking multiple pictures of each one so that you can learn what balloons look like from different angles. That way, for any anomaly someone reports you can quickly say that’s a balloon or it’s not.

Of those 800, how many are still interesting?
One or two percent…

The panel’s report advises NASA to release a phone app that would allow people to record UAPs in a way that would generate the most useful data. How would that work?
Your cell-phone camera wants to enhance the picture so it looks better. For recording data, you’d rather not have that. Also, you could do things in the metadata to reduce the probability of spoofing — you don’t want people to edit in pictures of E.T. My hope is that an app would create a set of public data, and then citizen scientists could go through it and see what’s there. You can have an open discussion. If someone sees something and says, “This is weird,” it can be discussed. It removes some of the element of conspiracy.

You’re a serious scientist. Did you ever think you’d find yourself investigating UFOs?
I actually see this as an opportunity for science education. There are a lot of people fascinated by the subject because the question of “Are we alone?” is fundamental. It’s a question that not only scientists ask, but lots of people. So there’s a lot of public interest in UFOs…

Do you think that, just by making your data public and opening the discussion of it to the public, you can push back against pseudoscience?
That’s the hope. I mean, I don’t think we will solve the problem. But it takes a step. It’s important to say to people, “Look, we’re not dismissing your claim that you saw something strange. Don’t feel that because you reported seeing something strange that you’re crazy. It’s interesting you saw something strange. Let’s collect more data on the strange thing. Let’s see if other people collect it. That’s how we figure stuff out.” And if we get that message across to some fraction of the people, that, I feel, would be a success. If we figure out the nature of more of these events, that’s even more of a success. If it turns out to be something truly exotic, fabulous.

nasa, stone cold flying a robot helicopter on mars since 2021 https://t.co/dLjaOn8dn0

— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) September 13, 2023

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