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The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

I’m more christian than these people and i’m an atheist.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

So many bastards, so little time.

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

Keep the Immigrants and deport the fascists!

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

The “burn-it-down” people are good with that until they become part of the kindling.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

A norm that restrains only one side really is not a norm – it is a trap.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

The line between political reporting and fan fiction continues to blur.

There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.

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Bibi & Bone Saw

by Betty Cracker|  September 22, 20231:09 pm| 153 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Politics

During the 2020 primaries, one of my major misgivings about now-President Biden was his foreign policy track record. In my opinion, it was mostly awful during his time as a powerful ranking member on the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations during the W years. And worse, he seemed proud of it.

Then Biden became president and proved me wrong by having the courage to finally get us out of Afghanistan, signaling he’d learned from the Iraq debacle. His quick action to rally NATO and the persuadable world after the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine demonstrated the value of having a person with a ton of experience and connections at the helm.

But now there’s this: (NYT gift link)

The United States is discussing terms of a mutual defense treaty with Saudi Arabia that would resemble military pacts with Japan and South Korea, according to American officials. The move is at the center of President Biden’s high-stakes diplomacy to get the kingdom to normalize relations with Israel.

Under such an agreement, the United States and Saudi Arabia would generally pledge to provide military support if the other country is attacked in the region or on Saudi territory. The discussions to model the terms after the treaties in East Asia, considered among the strongest the United States has outside of its European pacts, have not been previously reported.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler, regards a mutual defense agreement with the United States as the most important element in his talks with the Biden administration about Israel, current and former U.S. officials said. Saudi officials say a strong defense agreement would help deter potential assaults by Iran or its armed partners even as the two regional rivals re-establish diplomatic ties.

“Peace in the Middle East” has been the prestige foreign policy white whale that presidents of both parties have chased since I was a child. Even the decidedly abby-normal presidency of Donald J. Trump included a run at peace in the Middle East via the so-called “Abraham Accords,” which supposedly squared things between Israel, the UAE and Bahrain. The Trump people still crow about that, having few other bits of normal presidenting to tout.

And now it appears the Biden admin is pursuing a peace in the Middle East deal too. To what end? Does anyone think for a minute Prince Mohammed bin Bone Saw won’t flip off the oil pump next year to help sleaze the Trumps back into office? Or that Netanyahu won’t continue to break his country’s previous bipartisan approach to its major ally to openly side with Repubs and undermine Democrats every chance he gets?

Josh Marshall asks the right question at TPM: What’s in it for us?

What does the U.S. get from giving a strong security guarantee to a country, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, that is now largely hostile to the U.S. on behalf of another country, Israel, that is increasingly annoying and meddlesome at best? This isn’t the 1990s or even the aughts when the Middle East was a region made up mostly of various sorts of fairly-locked-in U.S. allies, albeit ones with major disagreements amongst themselves…

The U.S. partnership with Saudi Arabia, stretching all the way back to the 1940s, was always uncomfortable and even unseemly. But for decades the Saudis were supporters of high level American interests and guarantors of price stability in global oil markets. At least that was the idea. Today they appear more in league with Russia than the United States, certainly in world oil markets and beyond that as well. They openly bid China against the United States for their favor.

We live in a different world today. The Saudis have as much right to pursue their own interests as any other sovereign country. But again, what would the U.S. be getting in return for any of this?

The only clear answer I can see is: nothing.

I don’t see the U.S. benefit either. Neither country is trending in a good direction on human rights and democratic governance — quite the opposite. Neither proposed partner is trustworthy, though it’s important to keep in mind that diplomacy almost by definition requires managing relationships with scoundrels and bloodthirsty sociopaths.

Biden has exceeded expectations in the foreign policy side of the job so far, IMO. He’s earned the benefit of the doubt, at least in my book. Maybe he’s got something up his sleeve here. But I don’t see it so far. What do you think is going on?

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Senator Menendez (D-NJ) indicted for corruption (again)

by David Anderson|  September 22, 202310:43 am| 107 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics

The Department of Justice released a sealed indictment of Senator Menendez this morning.  Here is the first paragraph of the allegations:

From at least 2018 up to and including in or bout 2022, MENENDEZ and his wife, NADINE MENENDEZ, a/k/a “Nadine Arslanian,” the defendant, engaged in a corrupt relationship with three New Jersey associates and businessmen—WAEL HANA, aka “Will Hana,” JOSE URIBE, and FRED DAIBES, the defendants—in which MENENDEZ and NADINE MENENDEZ agreed to and did accept hundreds of thousands of dollars of bribes in exchange for using MENENDEZ’s power and influence as a Senator to seek to protect and enrich HANA, URIBE, and DAIBES and to benefit the Arab Republic of Egypt. Those bribes included cash, gold, payments toward a home mortgage, compensation for a low-or-no-show job, a luxury vehicle, and other things of value,

 

Jersey Jackals, start calling Trenton and DC to pressure this jagoff to resign.

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What’s the Matter with Kansas Ohio?

by WaterGirl|  September 22, 202310:07 am| 37 Comments

This post is in: Democratic Politics, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Politics

So many questions about what’s up with Ohio!

Republicans chose their own map as the starting point for the redistricting commission. Were Republicans given a majority on the redistricting commission?  Otherwise, I don’t see how the Rs could push that through.

They are required to have 3 public hearings, and they chose 3 business days in a row, starting with the first one today.  I would say that’s short notice, but it’s really no advance notice at all.

Can someone from Ohio explain how this can possibly be legal?  Is it legal in Ohio to just say fuck you to the courts?

Paging Ohio peeps!  Paging Marc Elias!

Despite objections from Democrats on Ohio’s Redistricting Commission, Republicans have chosen their own plan as the panel’s working document. The maps’ partisan breakdowns are 62-37 GOP-to-Democratic in the Ohio House and 23-10 in the Senate.

By @nckevnshttps://t.co/kwdEpVcfMJ

— Ohio Capital Journal (@OhioCapJournal) September 21, 2023

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2023/09/21/ohio-redistricting-commission-selects-gop-working-map-sets-public-hearings/

The Republican members of Ohio’s redistricting commission set aside their bickering long enough to introduce a new legislative map Wednesday. Despite objections from Democrats on the panel, Republicans adopted their plan as the commission’s working document. The maps’ partisan breakdowns are 62-37 GOP-to-Democratic in the Ohio House and 23-10 in the Senate.

The commission briefly weighed a pair of legislative maps proposed Tuesday by House Minority Leader Allison Russo and Senate Minority Leader Nickie Antonio. Republican members declined to include the proposal as an alternative working draft.

The state constitution requires the commission hold at least three public hearings around Ohio to discuss their proposal. The commission approved the following meeting schedule:

  • Friday Sept. 22 at Deer Creek State Park in Mt. Sterling southwest of Columbus
  • Monday Sept. 25 at Punderson State Park east of Cleveland
  • Tuesday Sept. 26 in the Senate finance hearing room at the Ohio Statehouse

The commission has set each meeting to begin at 10 a.m.

Update from Democracy Docket (thanks Scott)

WASHINGTON, D.C. — On Wednesday, Sept. 20, during the Ohio Redistricting Commission’s (ORC) first meeting since it was reconstituted, the ORC voted 4-2 along party-lines to use legislative maps proposed by Republicans as the ORC’s working draft, which will be subject to public review.

The maps would maintain the Republican stranglehold on the Legislature, due to egregious partisan gerrymandering. The Republicans’ Senate proposal contains 23 Republican seats, compared to just 10 Democratic seats. The partisan discrepancy was no different in Republicans’ House map, which would contain 62 Republican districts and 37 Democratic districts. Currently, Democrats hold just 32 House seats and seven Senate seats, compared to 67 and 26 Republican seats, respectively.

The Ohio Supreme Court has struck down the Republican commissioners’ legislative maps five separate times for being partisan gerrymanders in favor of Republicans, but Republicans’ delay tactics forced Ohioans to vote under illegal maps in 2022.

Today’s vote took place during the ORC’s first meeting in over a year, after last week’s meeting was delayed because Republicans on the commission couldn’t agree on a co-chair. Prior to today’s meeting, Ohio Auditor of State Keith Faber (R) was finally announced as the Republican co-chair. Ohio Senate Minority Leader Nickie J. Antonio (D) was selected as the Democratic co-chair at the start of the meeting.

The GOP-backed proposals come a day after Democrats on the commission released their own legislative maps, which the ORC voted down today, also along party lines. Introduced by Antonio and Ohio House Minority Leader Allison Russo (D), the maps would have drastically leveled the playing field of the currently gerrymandered Legislature as Democrats would have held 43 House seats and 14 Senate seats, while Republicans would have held 56 and 19 seats, respectively.

Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose (R) previously said that the commission should have maps approved by Sept. 22, but that timeline has been thrown into doubt after last week’s delays and the COVID-19 diagnosis of Gov. Mike DeWine (R), who also serves on the ORC. DeWine virtually tuned in to today’s meeting, but did not vote. Russo and Antonio have said that they don’t expect the process to be complete until mid-October.

Also on a party-line vote, the ORC scheduled three public meetings, which will all take place in the next week. Russo and Antonio, who voted against the adopted meeting schedule and the Republican-backed maps, argued that the timeline was rushed and that the locations were not spread out in a way that was conducive to all Ohioans.

Open thread.

 

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TGIFriday Morning Open Thread: Some *Good* News, Too!

by Anne Laurie|  September 22, 20237:16 am| 158 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, gun safety, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, War in Ukraine

“I think I can beat him again,” @JoeBiden said of Donald Trump tonight at a fundraiser.

The president has more recently been criticizing Trump by name. He has preferred to use euphemisms for the former president, often referring to him as "the last guy." https://t.co/bGAKbP0556

— Akayla Gardner (@gardnerakayla) September 20, 2023

NEWS: Biden administration announces a crackdown on medical debt and a key tool hospitals and others use to enforce it: reporting patients to credit agencies.

By @NoamLevey, who's been investigating this issue for more than a year.https://t.co/CG3W9VNXF4

— Alex Wayne (@aawayne) September 21, 2023

"Harris, who has played a leading role in gun safety policy, will oversee the office, according to a White House statement. Longtime Biden aide @StefFeldman, who has worked on gun policy for more than a decade, will serve as its director."

https://t.co/8StKbgdXby

— Herbie Ziskend (@HerbieZiskend46) September 21, 2023

Republican Rep. Tim Burchett criticizes McCarthy and then compliments Pelosi, saying "she was pretty successful … a lot of work goes into that. But I'm not seeing that work right now." pic.twitter.com/xevmzsPjoz

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 22, 2023

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SCOOP: The Pentagon has decided to exempt Ukraine operations from a potential shutdown if lawmakers can’t agree on a deal by the end of the month, allowing key training and other activities in support of Kyiv’s forces to move ahead uninterrupted. https://t.co/u2REWCROag

— Lara Seligman (@laraseligman) September 21, 2023


Hope this holds up:

The Pentagon will exempt its Ukraine operations from a potential shutdown if lawmakers can’t agree on a deal to fund the government by the end of the month, allowing key training and other activities in support of Kyiv’s forces to move ahead uninterrupted, according to a Defense Department spokesperson…

But if lawmakers fail to reach an agreement and government appropriations lapse, DOD has decided to continue activities supporting Ukraine, DOD spokesperson Chris Sherwood told POLITICO Thursday — just hours after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley and other senior leaders at the Pentagon.

“Operation Atlantic Resolve is an excepted activity under a government lapse in appropriations,” Sherwood said, referring to the named operation for DOD’s activities in response to the Russian invasion.

The move means that the U.S. military’s activities related to the war, such as training of Ukrainian soldiers on American tactics and equipment, as well as shipments of weapons to Kyiv, will continue despite any potential shutdown. As recently as Tuesday, Sherwood had said the shutdown could halt those activities, as POLITICO first reported…

By law, the Pentagon chief can make exceptions to activities suspended under a government shutdown, Sherwood said, noting that the decision to exempt Ukraine operations was just made…

 
And… Trending on Twitter: Senator Mike Lee(… roy Jenkins!) is BIG MAD, you guys:

1) create nonsense poll
2) lose to NAFO
3) seethe and rage publicly about cartoon dogs https://t.co/oFYoJYmW9O

— Abandoned BMP Tïcketer ?? (@st_javelin_stan) September 22, 2023

Outstanding from #NAFO.
Two US Senators (who are not on the right side of history) wondering who pays us.
Seeing this happen to BustedMikeLee is especially funny.Well done #Fellas.

Cheque’s in the post, right @Official_NAFO? pic.twitter.com/mhHsWaCioL

— Benjamin Tallis ???? (@bctallis) September 22, 2023

Goodnight Fellas,
I just spent the past 2 hours tweeting explanations about what NAFO does to two US Senators who were complaining that NAFO ruined their polls. I bet the Senators already knew what NAFO does. The Senators were probably just rage-farming with their MAGA followers. pic.twitter.com/SASYBTGVFn

— F e l l a Historian ?? (@thisuser_isdumb) September 22, 2023

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Cold Grey Dawn Open Thread: Mitt Romney Exits, Stage Right

by Anne Laurie|  September 22, 20233:23 am| 64 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Primaries, Excellent Links, Republican Politics, Romney of the Uncanny Valley

Cold Grey Dawn Open Thread: Mitt Romney Exits, Stage Right

(Clay Jones via GoComics.com)

 
There will not be a Republican politician like Romney again, the pundits keep saying, and as far as I’m concerned this is not much of a loss. Willard ‘Mitt’ Romney was a bog-standard GOP Business Representative born a generation too late. Apart from a few belated spasms concerning Trump’s distastefully parvenu behavior, his voting record was indistinguishable from the GOP mean (in every sense of the term). He’s certainly old enough to retire while he can enjoy bullying just his extended family, and if my closest work colleague was Mike Lee(… roy Jenkins!), I’d quit too.

I never will get past how Willard deliberately ran against his only real achievement in government.

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) September 14, 2023


But let’s hear from another and far more eloquent Masshole:

… Politics has been such a disappointment to Mitt Romney. There always are so many…people involved.

He ran against Ted Kennedy, and those…people turned him down. He became governor of Massachusetts, passed a health-care law, and then tried to muscle Republicans into the state legislature only to have…people return more Democrats than were in there before. So, having lost interest in his day job, he ran for president in 2008, only to incur the profound dislike of his fellow candidates and the resounding loathing of the…people in general. In 2012, he thought he had it won only to have those…people deny him his rightful place at the pinnacle of power. Then came Trump, and Mitt Romney lost all hope in common humanity and got elected to the Senate from Utah, where he at least voted for both impeachments of the former president*. Now, he leaves the scene secure in the wisdom that has guided his entire public career — that there are two kinds of Americans: Him, and Everybody Else.

He was as maladroit a public politician as I’ve ever seen. And it took me while to realize that it wasn’t a lack of natural skills that accounted for that, it was the fact that Romney decided never to learn them. He was rich and he was handsome and he was the son of a beloved liberal Republican, and that was always enough to insulate him from the grubbier aspects of his chosen hobby. And he could always walk away.

This time, of course, he has legitimate reasons for walking away. He’d be over 80 by the time his next term was over, and his re-election campaign was going to be tougher due to his public opposition to the former president*. It was going to require some serious retail politics, and the Romneys haven’t paid retail for generations. But he will stand in history as a great missed opportunity. He had a lot of the wherewithal needed to keep the Republican Party from itself, if he only cared enough to do it.

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Mitt Romney being marginally less awful than his Republican colleagues—whom even a spineless empty suit like him finds abhorrent—does not detract from the fact that he is a shitty person.

“Biden can’t lead, Trump won’t.” Screw this purposeless patrician hack. https://t.co/NRYLG6RICM

— Peter Wolf (@peterawolf) September 14, 2023

Cold Grey Dawn Open Thread: Mitt Romney Exits, Stage Right 2

Annie Karni, at the NYTimes — “Six Takeaways From Romney’s Tea-Spilling Biography”:

… Publicly, Mr. Romney has long been on an island in a party subsumed by Trumpism. Privately, he reveals, many of his colleagues, including Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the longtime Republican leader, are actually on the same page when it comes to his dim view of Donald J. Trump.

“Almost without exception,” Mr. Romney told Mr. Coppins, “they shared my view of the president.”

Mr. Romney kept a tally of his colleagues who approached him to privately express solidarity when he publicly criticized Mr. Trump, often saying they envied his ability to air his views. At one point, he told his staff, the list reached more than a dozen.

Mr. Romney also recalled a 2019 visit Mr. Trump made to the weekly Senate Republican lunch in the Capitol. The senators gave the president a standing ovation and were attentive and encouraging during his remarks about what he called the “Russia hoax.” They nodded when he said the G.O.P. would be known as “the party of health care” after they moved on from impeachment. But as soon as Mr. Trump left the room, the senators all burst out laughing…

Mr. Romney, who unsuccessfully sought the presidency twice, was tempted to make a third run in 2024, this time to mount a kind of anti-Trump, kamikaze mission possible only for a politician with nothing to lose.

“I must admit, I’d love being on the stage with Donald Trump … and just saying: ‘That’s stupid. Why are you saying that?’ ” Mr. Romney said. He dropped the idea once he realized the project would only help ensure another Trump victory.

He then toyed with forming a new political party with Senator Joe Manchin III, the centrist Democrat from West Virginia. His working slogan for it was “stop the stupid,” and he saw the goal not as running a likely doomed third-party candidate, but as endorsing “whichever party’s nominee isn’t stupid,” Mr. Romney explained. It is not clear if the plan has moved beyond the back-of-the-envelope stage…

(Spoiler: No way in Mormon Gehenna is Mitt Romney spending any significant amount of time with Joe Manchin, ugh.)

They seem to forget who is the real Willard Mitt Romney. Mr "Binders full of women" & "47% of Americans love free stuff" is the same as the people in his party. He pushed self deportation as his immigration policy. He's does his dirty works with more "class" and in secret.

— King Tampon I™ (@AfricanPrincess) September 14, 2023

So did Sen. Romney share this account with the January 6th Committee, who spent a year doggedly piecing together what happened on 1/6 and in the days & week’s prior? How is it courageous or responsible to withhold this info from your congressional colleagues investigating this? https://t.co/tA8gJsf8oS

— Sherrilyn Ifill (@SIfill_) September 14, 2023

Cold Grey Dawn Open Thread: Mitt Romney Exits, Stage Right 3

“We turned to racism and fascism because you guys were mean to a multimillionaire who called half the country “worthless”” is not the argument you think it is.

— ?? (@jackfishemoji) September 15, 2023

Interestingly, Republicans deciding that they are entitled to the presidency and to special treatment they'd never extend to others to such a degree that they opted for trying to break Constitutional democracy while rationalizing it as someone else's fault is also the criticism. https://t.co/IP21HFqsDJ

— Nicholas Grossman (@NGrossman81) September 15, 2023

Republicans talk about the 2012 election like "we stifled our demons once and offered you a relatively decent human being and you scoffed at our generosity, you gave us no choice but to become irredeemable fascists, hope you're happy."

— Not up for trouble, please stop asking (@agraybee) September 15, 2023

The part of Romney’s final speech that landed with a thud for me was when he tried to “both sides” it with Biden and Trump. As far as I know, Manchin and Synema haven’t had to pay for round the clock security because they’re afraid rabid Joe Biden fans will murder them https://t.co/NDUaUkSiUK

— Armand Domalewski (@ArmandDoma) September 14, 2023

Cold Grey Dawn Open Thread: Mitt Romney Exits, Stage Right 1

There’s something very morbidly funny about the fact that towards the end of his Senate career, Romney preferred to work with colleagues he saw as sincerely insane over those who were cynically faking insanity pic.twitter.com/oymvrXKgRI

— Armand Domalewski (@ArmandDoma) September 13, 2023

it is always strange to me when people's reason for believing a politican "honourable" boils down to "they knew what they were saying and doing were wrong, but did it anyway because they wanted to win".

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) September 14, 2023

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Excellent / Horrifying Read: The Patriot — How General Mark Milley protected the Constitution from Donald Trump

by Anne Laurie|  September 21, 202311:05 pm| 78 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Military, Trumpery

Shut the fuck up, STEVE pic.twitter.com/LrNUjLdFtn

— vocational politics appreciation account (@Convolutedname) September 21, 2023

Whether or not you agree with General Milley, this longish read has already garnered quite a bit of attention, and it’s going to get more. Jeffrey Goldberg, in the Atlantic:

… In normal times, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the principal military adviser to the president, is supposed to focus his attention on America’s national-security challenges, and on the readiness and lethality of its armed forces. But the first 16 months of Milley’s term, a period that ended when Joe Biden succeeded Donald Trump as president, were not normal, because Trump was exceptionally unfit to serve. “For more than 200 years, the assumption in this country was that we would have a stable person as president,” one of Milley’s mentors, the retired three-star general James Dubik, told me. That this assumption did not hold true during the Trump administration presented a “unique challenge” for Milley, Dubik said.

Milley was careful to refrain from commenting publicly on Trump’s cognitive unfitness and moral derangement. In interviews, he would say that it is not the place of the nation’s flag officers to discuss the performance of the nation’s civilian leaders.

But his views emerged in a number of books published after Trump left office, written by authors who had spoken with Milley, and many other civilian and military officials, on background. In The Divider, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser write that Milley believed that Trump was “shameful,” and “complicit” in the January 6 attack. They also reported that Milley feared that Trump’s “ ‘Hitler-like’ embrace of the big lie about the election would prompt the president to seek out a ‘Reichstag moment.’ ”…

Twenty men have served as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs since the position was created after World War II. Until Milley, none had been forced to confront the possibility that a president would try to foment or provoke a coup in order to illegally remain in office. A plain reading of the record shows that in the chaotic period before and after the 2020 election, Milley did as much as, or more than, any other American to defend the constitutional order, to prevent the military from being deployed against the American people, and to forestall the eruption of wars with America’s nuclear-armed adversaries. Along the way, Milley deflected Trump’s exhortations to have the U.S. military ignore, and even on occasion commit, war crimes. Milley and other military officers deserve praise for protecting democracy, but their actions should also cause deep unease. In the American system, it is the voters, the courts, and Congress that are meant to serve as checks on a president’s behavior, not the generals. Civilians provide direction, funding, and oversight; the military then follows lawful orders.

The difficulty of the task before Milley was captured most succinctly by Lieutenant General H. R. McMaster, the second of Trump’s four national security advisers. “As chairman, you swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, but what if the commander in chief is undermining the Constitution?” McMaster said to me.

For the actions he took in the last months of the Trump presidency, Milley, whose four-year term as chairman, and 43-year career as an Army officer, will conclude at the end of September, has been condemned by elements of the far right. Kash Patel, whom Trump installed in a senior Pentagon role in the final days of his administration, refers to Milley as “the Kraken of the swamp.” Trump himself has accused Milley of treason. Sebastian Gorka, a former Trump White House official, has said that Milley deserves to be placed in “shackles and leg irons.” If a second Trump administration were to attempt this, however, the Trumpist faction would be opposed by the large group of ex-Trump-administration officials who believe that the former president continues to pose a unique threat to American democracy, and who believe that Milley is a hero for what he did to protect the country and the Constitution.

“Mark Milley had to contain the impulses of people who wanted to use the United States military in very dangerous ways,” Kelly told me. “Mark had a very, very difficult reality to deal with in his first two years as chairman, and he served honorably and well. The president couldn’t fathom people who served their nation honorably.” Kelly, along with other former administration officials, has argued that Trump has a contemptuous view of the military, and that this contempt made it extraordinarily difficult to explain to Trump such concepts as honor, sacrifice, and duty…

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The story of Milley’s promotion to the chairmanship captures much about the disorder in Donald Trump’s mind, and in his White House.

By 2018, Trump was growing tired of General Dunford, a widely respected Marine officer. After one White House briefing by Dunford, Trump turned to aides and said, “That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?” Trump did not consider Dunford to be sufficiently “loyal,” and he was seeking a general who would pledge his personal fealty. Such generals don’t tend to exist in the American system—Michael Flynn, Trump’s QAnon-addled first national security adviser, is an exception—but Trump was adamant.

The president had also grown tired of James Mattis, the defense secretary. He had hired Mattis in part because he’d been told his nickname was “Mad Dog.” It wasn’t—that had been a media confection—and Mattis proved far more cerebral, and far more independent-minded, than Trump could handle. So when Mattis recommended David Goldfein, the Air Force chief of staff, to become the next chairman, Trump rejected the choice. (In ordinary presidencies, the defense secretary chooses the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and the president, by custom, accedes to the choice.)…

But a group of ex–Army officers then close to Trump had been lobbying for an Army general for the chairmanship, and Milley, the Army chief of staff, was the obvious candidate. Despite a reputation for being prolix and obstreperous in a military culture that, at its highest reaches, values discretion and rhetorical restraint, Milley was popular with many Army leaders, in part because of the reputation he’d developed in Iraq and Afghanistan as an especially effective war fighter. A son of working-class Boston, Milley is a former hockey player who speaks bluntly, sometimes brutally. “I’m Popeye the fucking sailorman,” he has told friends. “I yam what I yam.” This group of former Army officers, including Esper, who was then serving as the secretary of the Army, and David Urban, a West Point graduate who was key to Trump’s Pennsylvania election effort, believed that Trump would take to Milley, who had both an undergraduate degree from Princeton and the personality of a hockey enforcer. “Knowing Trump, I knew that he was looking for a complete carnivore, and Milley fit that bill,” Urban told me. “He checked so many boxes for Trump.”…

During Milley’s time in the Trump administration, the disagreements and misunderstandings between the Pentagon and the White House all seemed to follow the same pattern: The president—who was incapable of understanding or unwilling to understand the aspirations and rules that guide the military—would continually try to politicize an apolitical institution. This conflict reached its nadir with the Lafayette Square incident in June 2020. The day when Milley appeared in uniform by the president’s side, heading into the square, has been studied endlessly. What is clear is that Milley (and Mark Esper) walked into an ambush, and Milley extracted himself as soon as he could, which was too late.

The image of a general in combat fatigues walking with a president who has a well-known affection for the Insurrection Act—the 1807 law that allows presidents to deploy the military to put down domestic riots and rebellions—caused consternation and anger across the senior-officer ranks, and among retired military leaders…

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“I absolutely, positively shouldn’t have been there,” Milley says of Lafayette Square. “I’m a soldier, and fundamental to this republic is for the military to stay out of politics.”

“I just about ended my friendship with Mark over Lafayette Square,” General Peter Chiarelli, the now-retired former vice chief of staff of the Army, told me. Chiarelli was once Milley’s superior, and he considered him to be among his closest friends. “I watched him in uniform, watched the whole thing play out, and I was pissed. I wrote an editorial about the proper role of the military that was very critical of Mark, and I was about to send it, and my wife said, ‘You really want to do that—end a treasured friendship—­like this?’ She said I should send it to him instead, and of course she was right.” When they spoke, Milley made no excuses, but said it had not been his intention to look as if he was doing Trump’s bidding. Milley explained the events of the day to Chiarelli: He was at FBI headquarters, and had been planning to visit National Guardsmen stationed near the White House when he was summoned to the Oval Office. Once he arrived, Trump signaled to everyone present that they were heading outside. Ivanka Trump found a Bible and they were on their way.

“As a commissioned officer, I have a duty to ensure that the military stays out of politics,” Milley told me. “This was a political act, a political event. I didn’t realize it at the moment. I probably should have, but I didn’t, until the event was well on its way. I peeled off before the church, but we’re already a minute or two into this thing, and it was clear to me that it was a political event, and I was in uniform. I absolutely, positively shouldn’t have been there. The political people, the president and others, can do whatever they want. But I can’t. I’m a soldier, and fundamental to this republic is for the military to stay out of politics.”…

The week after Lafayette Square, Milley made his apology in the National Defense University speech—a speech that helped repair his relationship with the officer corps but destroyed his relationship with Trump.

“There are different gradients of what is bad. The really bad days are when people get killed in combat,” Milley told me. “But those 90 seconds were clearly a low point from a personal and professional standpoint for me, over the course of 43, 44 years of service. They were searing. It was a bad moment for me because it struck at the heart of the credibility of the institution.”…

I asked Milley to describe the evolution of his post–Lafayette Square outlook. “You know this term teachable moment ?” he asked. “Every month thereafter I just did something publicly to continually remind the force about our responsibilities … What I’m trying to do the entire summer, all the way up to today, is keep the military out of actual politics.”

He continued, “We stay out of domestic politics, period, full stop, not authorized, not permitted, illegal, immoral, unethical—­­we don’t do it.” I asked if he ever worried about pockets of insurrectionists within the military.

“We’re a very large organization—2.1 million people, active duty and reserves. Some of the people in the organization get outside the bounds of the law. We have that on occasion. We’re a highly disciplined force dedicated to the protection of the Constitution and the American people … Are there one or two out there who have other thoughts in their mind? Maybe. But the system of discipline works.”…

Trump was and is a deranged man who has no sense of honor or duty. Apparently, that’s what his cult loves about him. https://t.co/QKaj5Y0K4L

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 21, 2023

CNN's coverage at the time vs reality pic.twitter.com/fIIZ7SuwR2

— Eric Schultz (@EricSchultz) September 21, 2023

In my heart I know that Trump is guilty of basically every depravity caused by a dearth of human feeling, but it never fails to shock me to see accounts of him saying it out loud to other people like this. https://t.co/ncJdy3V5tQ

— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) September 21, 2023

Excellent / Horrifying Read: <em>The Patriot — How General Mark Milley protected the Constitution from Donald Trump</em>Post + Comments (78)

War for Ukraine Day 575: President Zelenskyy Met With Congress

by Adam L Silverman|  September 21, 20239:49 pm| 46 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War in Ukraine

President Zelenskyy met with members of both chambers of Congress today including the leadership. There is no video as he did not make an address.

While he was meeting with him six GOP senators and twenty-three members of the House GOP caucus sent a letter to President Biden indicating they would not support the requested $24 billion supplemental until or unless their conditions are met. Josh Kovensky at Talking Points Memo has the details:

Six Republican senators and 23 GOP House members sent a letter to the White House Thursday saying that, for now, they oppose a request for $24 billion in additional funding from Congress to support Kyiv.

In the letter, Republican lawmakers outline a series of questions they have about the Biden administration’s support for Ukraine’s fight against Russian aggression, including progress in the country’s counteroffensive, how the administration defines victory, and what direct assistance the U.S. military has provided.

“For these reasons—and certainly until we receive answers to the questions above and others forthcoming—we oppose the additional expenditure for war in Ukraine included in your request,” the letter reads.

Zelensky is on Capitol Hill today in an effort to maintain support for U.S. aid to his country. But the letter comes as a flank of far-right Republicans, concentrated in the House, try to tank Ukraine aid.

That group is largely missing from the letter’s list of signatories, though members of the group, including Freedom Caucus Chair Scott Perry (R-PA), have called for the U.S. to reduce its support. The same group of far-right Republicans have been publicly pressuring House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA ), pushing a short term spending bill that does not include additional aid for Ukraine.

You may be wondering why President Zelenskyy didn’t address a joint session of Congress while he was in DC; Kovensky has the answer for that too:

McCarthy told reporters on Thursday that he had declined a request to have Zelensky address another joint session of Congress during his visit, and in a bizarre attempt to bring a rhetorical point into reality, he suggested that Biden should support GOP border funding requests before House Republicans agree to pass more Ukraine aid.

Punchbowl has additional details:

And when Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell asked the Biden administration for a classified briefing on Ukraine prior to Zelensky’s visit, one was quickly added to the calendar. Top military and intelligence officials met with senators for over an hour on Wednesday.

However, according to multiple sources, when the Biden administration offered the same briefing to the House, Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s office turned it down. It may happen at a future date, GOP aides said.

Zelensky also asked to deliver another joint address to Congress, as he did last December. House Republicans denied that request, we’re told.

Emboldened Opposition: But Senate GOP Ukraine skeptics emerged from the briefing even more determined to block future funding for the war effort.

“If there is a path toward something that can be called a victory here, I didn’t hear it,” Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) said afterward. “I’m frankly tired of them actively misleading us about Ukraine.”

Hawley, among the GOP’s most vocal opponents of Ukraine aid, said the Biden administration briefers told senators that funding requests will continue even beyond the current $24 billion ask from the White House.

Two things are going to happen in the next ten days. The first is the government is going to shut down. The second is that US military support to Ukraine is going to stop. This is going to happen because Speaker McCarthy is a small minded, petty vindictive man, as well as being incompetent, weak, and craven. Exhibit A:

Even though Kevin McCarthy avoided a public entrance to the meeting with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, he took photos with Zelensky in the room, per source: pic.twitter.com/Tl8LvWWQJ0

— Annie Grayer (@AnnieGrayerCNN) September 21, 2023

 

Circling back, this is going to happen because the majority of the House GOP caucus will quietly do whatever the House Freedom caucus wants them to while the fifteen to twenty “moderates” will publicly tut tut the House Freedom caucus and then do exactly what the House Freedom Caucus wants them to do. It is going to happen because at least a third of the Senate GOP caucus is all in on what the House Freedom caucus is doing and the rest will do nothing to stop them. Though Senator McConnell will give a more in sadness than in anger statement that he doesn’t think government shutdowns help Republicans.

We have video with subtitled in English audio from President Zelenskyy’s meeting with President Biden. Video below, English write up from the President of Ukraine’s website after the jump:

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President of Ukraine following the meeting with the President of the United States in Washington: We have exactly what our soldiers need

22 September 2023 – 02:30

In the framework of his working visit to the United States, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy had a meeting with U.S. President Joseph Biden.

The negotiations took place in the White House in a narrow and expanded format.

At the beginning of the meeting, the Head of State thanked the American leader for the fruitful dialogue and strong support of all Ukrainians.

“This is already the third time we have met this year. Thank you for the invitation. Our regular dialogue proves that our countries are true allies and strategic friends. We are very grateful for the vital assistance provided by the United States in the fight against Russian terror. Today I am in Washington to strengthen our coalition to protect our children, families, our homes, as well as freedom and democracy in the world,” Volodymyr Zelenskyy said.

The President of Ukraine told Joseph Biden about his fruitful meeting with congressmen and senators.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Joseph Biden discussed defense support for Ukraine and further cooperation for the benefit of both countries and the world.

“Today, we have achieved important results. We have agreed to work out a number of strategic decisions that will allow us to prevent any new aggression against Ukraine and our people,” the Head of State said and added that it would be one of the results of the G7 Joint Declaration and bilateral security arrangements.

In addition, according to the President, new agreements were reached that will boost Ukraine’s defense capabilities.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy thanked the President of the United States for announcing a new powerful package of assistance to Ukraine.

“It is a very powerful package. It is exactly what our soldiers need now,” the Head of State stated.

He expressed hope for further support from the United States in enhancing the protection of Ukrainian skies, expanding opportunities for grain exports, implementing the Peace Formula, and holding the Global Peace Summit.

“I thank you, your team, the Congress, as well as journalists for spreading information to the public, to the world, for sharing the truth about these tragic events, about this Russian aggression. Thank you very much, Mr. President, for this warm meeting with you,” the Head of State said addressing Joseph Biden.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy noted that today’s talks were powerful and important.

The teams of the two leaders will continue to work on the speedy implementation of the agreements reached today.

Despite what appeared to be positive movement, President Biden has decided to continue to NOT provide Ukraine with ATACMs:

Oof. Zelensky’s team was very optimistic about this and confident last week that Biden would approve the ATACMs. https://t.co/XhcxuY1NSx

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) September 21, 2023

President Zelenskyy also met with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin:

In a meeting with @SecDef Lloyd Austin, I thanked the U.S. for its crucial support.

We discussed deliveries of artillery systems and long-range capabilities, as well as strengthening air defense.

I invited the U.S. to take part in Ukraine’s upcoming Defense Industries Forum. pic.twitter.com/tKYWuMyoWZ

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) September 21, 2023

And presented a wreath at the September 11th memorial at the Pentagon:

184 memorial units with the names and ages of each victim of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

We began our visit by honoring them.

Terror always fails when people band together to defend freedom. It will never be able to defeat free nations and people. pic.twitter.com/ScAMiVt9ka

— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) September 21, 2023

Instead of the cost, here is the reward for the risks taken:

We fight to protect those we love.
Can one imagine a more perfect gift? On her birthday, a mother calls her son who had gone to fight for his country. She had no idea he had returned from the frontlines to celebrate with her in person. pic.twitter.com/Y4cxfspzFP

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 21, 2023

Russia opened up on Ukraine overnight again.

Russia launched 43 cruise missiles today, with 36 intercepted. Cherkasy, Kyiv, Kharkiv, Khmelnytskiy, Rivne, Vinnytsia, Ivano-Frankivsk, and Lviv regions were under attack. This makes the assault one of the most intense in the last two months.

📷 Hotel in Cherkasy pic.twitter.com/yU8dvDFGEl

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) September 21, 2023

Kherson:

russian terrorists continued to shell Kherson's residential districts throughout the night and into the morning. Three people died and four were hospitalized as a result of the strike on a dormitory.
In the morning, a russian projectile hit an apartment building. An 81-year-old… pic.twitter.com/uIAdbpAMVQ

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 21, 2023

Vyshneve:

As a result of the latest missile strike by russian terrorists, the @PepsiCo factory in Vyshneve, Kyiv region, was devastated. PepsiCo is listed on the list of war sponsors since it still operates in russia. They paid for the missile that destroyed their facility with their taxes… pic.twitter.com/ODQgwC1yIU

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 21, 2023

As a result of the latest missile strike by russian terrorists, the @PepsiCo factory in Vyshneve, Kyiv region, was devastated. PepsiCo is listed on the list of war sponsors since it still operates in russia. They paid for the missile that destroyed their facility with their taxes in russia.

Kyiv:

Dealing with the consequences of the russian missile attack on Kyiv.
🎥 @SESU_UA pic.twitter.com/DBlrgnelZf

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 21, 2023

Missile threat over Kyiv again. 20 missiles downed in the early morning hours. Colleagues share photos of debris raining down across Kyiv. Parents weigh school shelters vs. keeping kids home. Everyone curses Russia. #MorningInUkraine pic.twitter.com/qNzo4BiD9o

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) September 21, 2023

Cherkasy:

Fragments of a destroyed russian missile hit a hotel in the center of Cherkasy. Eight people have been injured.

📷 Cherkasy Regional Military Administration pic.twitter.com/3HhimsNPLc

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 21, 2023

The Surovikin line in Zerbove, Zaporizhzhia Oblast. The line of fortifications  runs through southern and eastern Ukraine:

Based on a recently uploaded video by russians, it's evident that Ukrainian forces successfully penetrated the Surovikin Line and disembarked infantry beyond it. Satellite imagery substantiates these developments, hinting at Ukrainian vehicles crossing Surovikin's Line.🧵Thread: pic.twitter.com/KW3wavpEWF

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) September 21, 2023

3/ Utilizing geolocation data from the video, it's evident that our forces executed maneuvers effectively, driving back the enemy and exploiting the gap. They have advanced close to Verbove, overcoming AT trenches, minefields, and dragon's teeth. A notable milestone pic.twitter.com/DOOVPgZHQj

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) September 21, 2023

5/ If you found this thread valuable, your support through likes, follows, and retweets of the first message greatly contributes to the visibility and enhancement of my content. Thank you

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) September 21, 2023

Robotyne:

Russian attack attempt on Robotyne direction. Repelled by the 47th brigade. Also, as stated, Russians mistakenly launched a TOS-1 strike at a position where Russian infantry had landed not long before.https://t.co/mPJAdku91q pic.twitter.com/dEmvUQfL2I

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) September 21, 2023

Like you all, Oleksiy Sorokin of The Kyiv Independent has concerns over what Ukraine is doing in the dispute with Poland over exporting grain:

I don’t understand Ukraine’s reasoning behind the hardline approach toward Poland.

The potential trade war and the comments Ukrainian officials are making is the worst possible way of dealing with this situation.

It’s shortsighted, absurd, and serves no one’s interests.

— Oleksiy Sorokin (@mrsorokaa) September 20, 2023

I went into this a few weeks back when The Financial Times took a deep dive into the issues posed to EU member states agricultural sectors by Ukrainian grain exports. You may recall that the EU has established several committees to try to figure out how to proceed before Ukraine is admitted to the EU in order to prevent just these problems from occurring. The reality is that it is going to take a long time to get this sorted because it requires the EU to rethink their own internal agricultural policies and how the EU’s and its member states’ agricultural sectors are organized.There is not an easy or quick fix here on the EU side, so the fact that they’ve begun working on it is good. The reality though is it is going to take a long time to develop a way ahead here, which is going to slow down Ukraine’s ascension into the European Union.

I think part of the reason that Ukrainian officials are being combative here is that from their perspective it is Ukrainians dying and Ukraine being slowly bombarded into rubble and dust to keep Russia out of Poland, the Baltics, and other parts of the EU. As such, and despite Duda seeming to spoil for a fight with Russian, allowing Ukrainian grain and other agricultural imports is a small price for the EU and its member states to pay in exchange.

You may be asking how sanctions are working:

BREAKING: @SilveradoPolicy has analyzed other imports by the Russian importer Yumak LLC with alleged connections to sanctioned Russian defense companies

Turns out they are acquiring other precision machinery from China, Korea, Taiwan, Latvia, Italy and Germany https://t.co/nv3b60Ordx pic.twitter.com/V4cBwn0QZ6

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) September 21, 2023

 

Volume up!

Meet Bohdan from the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade and his Trembita.
This folk instrument, popular in the Ukrainian Carpathians, serves as a means for mountain shepherds to communicate across distances exceeding 10 kilometers. Surprisingly, the Trembita's enchanting melody… pic.twitter.com/gTUAdphPm8

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 21, 2023

Meet Bohdan from the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade and his Trembita.
This folk instrument, popular in the Ukrainian Carpathians, serves as a means for mountain shepherds to communicate across distances exceeding 10 kilometers. Surprisingly, the Trembita’s enchanting melody resonates beautifully even in the vast Donetsk steppes.

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