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Election 2016

Election Year Open Thread: The Other (Unknowing?) Russian Puppet

by Anne Laurie|  February 22, 20209:53 am| 196 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, I Can No Longer Rationally Discuss The Sanders Campaign, Open Threads, All Too Normal

I have confirmed this reporting from the stellar team at @washingtonpost. Briefing given to Sen. Sanders was not routine and was provided in response to compelling intelligence that Moscow is favoring him in the Democratic primary, sources said.https://t.co/iW8XqzWrOe https://t.co/Z3l2oHl3g6

— Dustin Volz (@dnvolz) February 22, 2020

For the record, I absolutely DO NOT think that Senator Sanders, after being briefed that Russia was attempting to interfere in his favor during the 2020 election, deliberately attempted to hide this information from the voters.

I think, just as he’s said he ‘disregarded’ the nagging chest pains prior to his heart attack, he put his head down and hoped the Russian news… would go away. At least until after the election. Because it just wasn’t a good time to deal with distractions, dammit!

Didn’t work to keep his heart muscle from dying; isn’t gonna work any better in the general election, even if he wins the Nevada caucuses.

He forgot to add “Fake News.”

In case anyone wonders why Russia seems to feel a Sanders v. Trump would be in their best interest. https://t.co/Ev0Mv2fxWY

— Patrick Murray (@PollsterPatrick) February 22, 2020

Credit where due — now that he’s been pinned to the wall, Strong Words!

This is the correct response from @BernieSanders Sanders:

“Unlike Donald Trump, I do not consider Vladimir Putin a good friend. He is an autocratic thug who is attempting to destroy democracy and crush dissent in Russia.”

— Ben Judah (@b_judah) February 21, 2020

“Let’s be clear, the Russians want to undermine American democracy by dividing us up and, unlike the current president, I stand firmly against their efforts, and any other foreign power that wants to interfere in our election.”

— Ben Judah (@b_judah) February 21, 2020

“In 2016, Russia used internet propaganda to sow division in our country, and my understanding is that they are doing it again in 2020. Some of the ugly stuff on the internet attributed to our campaign may well not be coming from real supporters.”

— Ben Judah (@b_judah) February 21, 2020


Can’t see anything so ‘classified’ in this statement that Sanders couldn’t have made it a month ago… except that he didn’t want to have reporters asking awkward questions. But if, purely coincidentally, his silence happened to give him a little extra edge in Nevada…

Another Q, raised by @beyerstein, is what justification could IC have for telling the beneficiary of the Russian activities but the the presumed victims?

And why didn’t Bernie insist they be briefed too? They could all be told: it’s a former VP, a USN intel officer, & 2 Senators

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 22, 2020

And if we don’t get these answers before the primary is over, and Sanders emerges as the nominee, you can bet Graham and the Senate Judiciary will be more than happy to drag him in during the general to ask about it.

— Andy (@trtx84) February 22, 2020

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Wait. Bernie did say something. In the debate, he suggested that Russian trolls posing as rude Sanders supporters were harming his campaign. When he knew the opposite was likely true.

— JohnCammo (@JohnCammo) February 21, 2020

I hope Sanders’ physicians have good IT security. If they don’t, expect a dump right before the general election. https://t.co/YmjP52y1xZ

— M.S. Bellows, Jr. (@msbellows) February 21, 2020

Thank you, Rep. Eric Swalwell. #BernieKnew pic.twitter.com/WJEOSveOER

— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) February 22, 2020

Schadenfreude:

Bloomberg campaign uses Washington Post report to hit Sanders ? https://t.co/0VOQowccP5

— Dan Merica (@merica) February 21, 2020

I’m just gonna pre-empt a lot of tedious discourse by reminding people Bernie Sanders never denounced the Russia story with respect to Donald Trump, and assisted with Senate investigations, so people who spin it as hysterical libs vs. Bernie are full of shit

— Proud Bloomberg Disliker (@MenshevikM) February 21, 2020

Yeah it means a bunch of actual journalists decided to call up all their sources for anything Russia-related they might know about. https://t.co/KsETLPR7hv

— DSA Pinkerton Caucus (@agraybee) February 22, 2020

And a reminder how he reacted last time: https://t.co/DKW0TQvWXz

— Centrism Fan Acct ? (@Wilson__Valdez) February 21, 2020

This comes just a couple days after @RoKhanna announced a Sanders admin may publicly announcing Georgia and Ukraine are permanently barred from potential NATO membership. https://t.co/V75w49T6XM

— Casey Michel ?? (@cjcmichel) February 21, 2020

Russia wants from Sanders the same thing they wanted (and largely got) from Trump:

– Apathy toward NATO
– A free hand in Syria
– No more sanctions
– General disorder/distrust in US institutions

— An Antic Disposition ? (@pavanvan) February 21, 2020

They’re literally just running the same playbook as last time. And why wouldn’t they? It succeeded beyond their wildest dreams and there was almost no negative consequences to it. And all the people who benefited from it remain in complete denial.

— Centrism Fan Acct ? (@Wilson__Valdez) February 21, 2020

… classify this would be to help Bernie win the primary.

After which the GOP would be shouting it from the top of whatever Trump Tower’s called now.

So either Bernie was co-opted – or he’s dumb as a box of Vermont granite & no one believes that.

— Sunshine City Dem (@ZenGrrrl47) February 22, 2020

The Cosplay Socialists are MAAAD!

Lol they are mad Bernie acknowledges Russia interference and condemns it. pic.twitter.com/zH3wYgHLum

— Luka Dončić stan account (@gdigitalzsmooth) February 22, 2020

They think Bernie should pull a Trump and do Deep State conspiracies.

— Luka Dončić stan account (@gdigitalzsmooth) February 22, 2020

Just like he spent his whole life advocating for single payer, until the CWU didn’t like it, then it was all a gambit for a public option.

— DSA Pinkerton Caucus (@agraybee) February 21, 2020

Russian interference is back, so I’m thinking about how an intelligence contractor who liked the Intercept leaked them proof that it was real because she was mad they were refusing to believe it. They burned her and didn’t come to her aid when the government sent her to prison.

— Jon, but wintry (in a non-religious way) (@JonIsAwesomest) February 21, 2020

And uh, hey buddy, if you go into the convention with only 30% of delegates, they can in fact stop you.

— DSA Pinkerton Caucus (@agraybee) February 22, 2020

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Are You Kidding Me?

by TaMara|  February 21, 202011:15 pm| 151 Comments

This post is in: I Can No Longer Rationally Discuss The Sanders Campaign, Politics

I've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us.

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 22, 2020

This pretty much sums up my feelings about that:

The “Democratic Establishment” is just Democrats.

If you don’t want Democrats to have a voice get the hell out of OUR primary.

— Millennials For Her (@Millennials4Her) February 22, 2020

Everything else I’m thinking I won’t say, except I just filled out my ballot for Elizabeth Warren.

 

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Election Year Open Thread: ICYMI

by Anne Laurie|  February 20, 20206:22 pm| 101 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, I Can No Longer Rationally Discuss The Sanders Campaign, Open Threads

Bloomberg wasn’t the only elderly white guy had a bad night, last night…

Who hasn't had to angrily point out one of their three houses is just a summer home while fending off charges they're a millionaire cosplaying as a socialist? pic.twitter.com/yvjBd8ct4m

— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) February 20, 2020


(A $600K ‘summer camp’, incidentally — we’re not talking outhouse & oil lamp level, people.)

Bernie Sanders after being criticized for his supporters' online behavior: “99.9% of them are decent human beings…if there are a few people who make ugly remarks, who attack trade union leaders, I disown those people.”

Catch up with the 9th #DemDebate: https://t.co/G5euYQHPJQ pic.twitter.com/BFyTKLKT8X

— POLITICO (@politico) February 20, 2020

WATCH: "The only companies we can't go after are gun manufacturers, because of my buddy here," Joe Biden says while gesturing to Sen. Sanders. #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/PJDnHnQ7Cz

— NBC News (@NBCNews) February 20, 2020

Bloomberg kicked Bernie’s ass. Warren is the one who gutted Bloomberg https://t.co/BWHGuZVXwc

— Armando (@ArmandoNDK) February 20, 2020

Bernie getting so angry over that Bloomberg punch is a great example of one of Bernie’s greatest weaknesses: he’s thin-skinned and has never faced a negative campaign. And I’m not talking about debates, I’m talking about every ad, every every press story, everything.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 20, 2020

Look! Over there! A new poll!

Strange how, after last night’s debate, in which Bloomberg was eviscerated and Biden was virtually invisible, and Warren was the clear winner, all the Never Trumpers are pumping a Quinnipiac poll in Wisconsin as proof that none of that matters. Panic! Secure the water supply!

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) February 20, 2020

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Stone Sentencing! Plus, Debate Hot Takes Part Trois

by Betty Cracker|  February 20, 202010:37 am| 252 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Trump Crime Cartel, Trump-Russia, Trumpery

TPM is live-blogging the Roger Stone sentencing here. I hope Judge Berman Jackson throws the book at Ft. Lauderdale’s most enthusiastic Batman villain cosplayer, but she’s made some noises about sentencing guidelines that could be interpreted as not encouraging? Hard to tell. Anyhoo, I’ll pop back in with the final word when available unless someone beats me to it.

ETA: Sentence: 40 months, $20K fine.

Meanwhile, if you’re up for another debate hot take, mine is below the fold…

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Debate Hot Takes Part Trois

Take it with a grain assault* because I’m a fan, but I think Warren won by a mile. She curb-stomped Bloomberg, especially on the NDA issue, ably providing a preview of what it would be like to watch her punt Trump into the sun (if Warren’s the nominee and the cowardly bully agrees to debate her).

Warren stood up for Klobuchar, making Buttigieg’s attack on Amy look small, then landed a zinger of her own on both of them. She elbowed everyone at one point or another, even dinging Sanders for the hand-waving about his M4A plan, his team’s attacks on anyone who has the temerity to ask for more specificity and subsequent shrugging off of Bernie’s version as a starting point.

That won’t be enough to satisfy Warren’s critics on that score. Nothing will be. Ever. But maybe she knows what she’s doing? We’ll see.

Poor Klobuchar. Things went badly for her all night, but it could have been worse. Klobuchar’s performance was like one of those days when your car won’t start and your phone bricks and you’re digging through your purse but can’t locate your card at the grocery store while a long, angry line of people grumbles behind you in the checkout line. But Bloomberg’s night was like when your Learjet crashes into a nuclear reactor, causing a meltdown that overheats the earth’s molten core and triggers the simultaneous eruption of a thousand volcanoes.

I’ve got to think Bloomberg’s terrible performance will deflate his poll numbers considerably because his rise was 100% an ad buy-fueled fear reaction. Last night he was disastrously revealed as NOT the safe Daddy Warbucks he told us he was. Perhaps Klobuchar’s sub-par performance will slow her momentum too, though her numbers weren’t great in upcoming states anyway. Where will those voters go?

Lots of pundits say Biden did well – a breakout performance even, according to some. I didn’t see it. It’s like several weeks ago, desperately casting about for a way to reinvigorate a lackadaisical campaign, some genius told Biden to emulate Sanders and yell a lot because voters read shouting as conviction. Yelling seems to work for Sanders, and maybe it works for Biden too, judging by the positive reviews.

But I just see two old men shouting on my TV. If I wanted to hear codgers declaim in outraged tones all evening, I’d drive over to The Villages Denny’s and Sharpie a “1” in front of every price on the early bird special menu insert.

I thought Buttigieg had a good moment when he took on Sanders over the Bernie Bro thing, linking the snowballing problem to leadership at the top. But he (and all of them) missed an opportunity to underscore that it’s not just the internet randos: Sanders hires toxic people.

Just yesterday, Sanders’ godawful press flack falsely claimed Bloomberg had a heart attack, then made a breathtakingly dumb comparison between the press clamor for detailed medical records from Sanders and birthers hounding Obama for his birth certificate. If the latter was mentioned at all, I missed it. But the by-turns venomous and amateurish nature of Sanders’ team and surrogate crew are a legit issue.

I feel like I’m forgetting someone. Oh well. If so, that’s a take in its own right. Open thread.

*Years ago, someone wrote “grain assault” when she meant “grain of salt” on a message board I used to read, and I’ve been trying to popularize the malapropism ever since. Sorry.

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Pre-Debate Open Thread: What Is Bernie HIDING?

by Anne Laurie|  February 19, 20207:12 pm| 68 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, I Can No Longer Rationally Discuss The Sanders Campaign, Open Threads

Bernie supporters need to ponder this. Before Trump, EVERY serious contender eventually released their medical records.

Bernie is flouting a long-time norm, following Trump. If he’s this brazen at concealment, would he be appropriately open & transparent in the White House? https://t.co/vfIqlhkXvT

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 19, 2020

Sanders campaign has clearly concluded that the heat he's taking for hiding his medical records is not as bad as what's in them.

— Greg Pinelo (@gregpinelo) February 19, 2020

If I worked for a 78 year old candidate who had recently had a heart attack & he refused to release his medical records I would quit.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 19, 2020

I seem to remember Bernie’s Press Secretary gleefully spreading the ‘Hillary’s health is failing!’ bullshite smears back in 2016, but maybe I’m just prejudiced, because she’s currently comparing questions about Sanders’ health to… birtherism:

If there was any doubt that the lessons of media handling in the Trump era wouldn't be picked up by non-Trump candidates. Bernie's health records are his "tax records." Gaslighting and obfuscation coming up! https://t.co/kZgwmWGv4c

— Robert A George (@RobGeorge) February 19, 2020

The whole thing is just baffling. I assume even the staunchest of Sanders supporters are willing to concede that he is mortal. https://t.co/4836HMNC3I

— Starfish Who Should Be Told To Get Back To Work (@IRHotTakes) February 19, 2020

For me this whole thing boils down to the fact that they played this so so badly.

This wouldn't even be such a big topic if Gray hadn't gone on CNN and lied, now it's going to be a big thing in the debate.

— veto players stan account (@Convolutedname) February 19, 2020

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We Are at TweetCon 1, I Repeat – We Are at TweetCon 1! Former Deputy Director of the FBI Will Not Be Charged and/or Prosecuted

by Adam L Silverman|  February 14, 20201:14 pm| 247 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, America, Criminal Justice, Domestic Politics, Election 2016, Open Threads, Politics

Now: USDOJ won't pursue charges against Andrew McCabe. Letter from prosecutors: https://t.co/Rt7c1SZVnj Statement from McCabe's lawyers @mrbromwich and David Schertler: pic.twitter.com/L1QclMUdTq

— Mike Scarcella (@MikeScarcella) February 14, 2020

Here’s the letter from the DOJ to Deputy Director McCabe’s attorneys:

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As we know from both his statements and tweets this week, as well as AG Barr’s kayfabe interview last night and the subsequent reporting about how the President views the DOJ, we can expect that he’s not going to take this well. I have updated the Presidential Daily Temperament Advisory System accordingly. Please take all appropriate precautions!

We Are at TweetCon 1, I Repeat - We Are at TweetCon 1! Former Deputy Director of the FBI Will Not Be Charged and/or Prosecuted

Update at 1:20 PM EDT

It has just been reported that AG Barr has appointed an outside counsel to review LTG Flynn’s case.

More political inference at DOJ. https://t.co/hf9rpginj7

— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) February 14, 2020

Attorney General William P. Barr has assigned an outside prosecutor to scrutinize the criminal case against President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, according to people familiar with the matter.

The review is highly unusual and could trigger more accusations of political interference by top Justice Department officials into the work of career prosecutors.

Mr. Barr has also installed a handful of outside prosecutors to broadly review the handling of other politically sensitive national-security cases in the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, the people said. The team includes at least one prosecutor from the office of the United States attorney in St. Louis, Jeff Jensen, who is handling the Flynn matter, as well as prosecutors from the office of the deputy attorney general, Jeffrey A. Rosen.

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The Justice Department declined to comment.

Open thread!

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Election Year Open Thread: Onward to Nevada

by Anne Laurie|  February 12, 202010:41 pm| 93 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, C.R.E.A.M., I Can No Longer Rationally Discuss The Sanders Campaign, Open Threads, All Too Normal

It’s on February 22, which is a Saturday, and ‘concerns are (already) being raised‘.

Some of you probably remember the less-than-salutatory 2016 caucuses in Nevada… at least when the term chair-throwing is mentioned.

So it was at this point in the 2016 primary that bullying and racial attacks on black and Latino voters and their voice in Democratic politics really started getting ugly. Let's not do that again.

— Greg Pinelo (@gregpinelo) February 12, 2020

Opening salvo, last night:

On the evening he emerges with momentum from NH, Bernie is nuked in Nevada by Culinary with flyers in Spanish and English at union properties and direct communication to its 60,000 members via text and email.

A ratcheting up of the campaign targeting him. This is something. https://t.co/6jjHPntJRL

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) February 12, 2020

I don’t know much about Nevada politics (Jon Ralston is an expert), but IIRC, the Culinary Union is justly proud of its ‘Cadillac’ healthcare plan. The union fought really hard and risked a lot to get that plan, because a lot of the members work part-time jobs, often more than one; there’s a lot of second-income workers and ‘retirees’ who keep working specifically to hang onto those medical benefits. You can read the mailer in the tweet below, and it’s clear that not messing with their healthcare is a high priority with the CU for *every* Democratic candidate. It’s not exactly favorable towards Warren’s proposal, either:

the very, very powerful Culinary Union in Nevada just sent these handouts out to members. See under Sanders: "End Culinary Healthcare." Pretty clear signal > pic.twitter.com/2lccCvd3z0

— Gabriel Debenedetti (@gdebenedetti) February 12, 2020

Progressives probably shouldn't have laughed off the warnings that unions would have a problem with single payer. https://t.co/iBOSMNmUxZ

— Iowasca Tripper (@agraybee) February 11, 2020

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… The Culinary Union’s leaflet does not name Warren or Sanders or cite Medicare for All, but it reflects some of the arguments both candidates have made.

The leaflet says some politicians promise “you will get more money for wages from the company if you give up Culinary Health Insurance,” but those politicians “have never sat at our bargaining table or been on a 24/7 6 years, 4 months and 10 days strike line,” a reference to an action taken by Culinary and other unions in 1991 against the Frontier Hotel and Casino that became one of the longest labor strikes in U.S. history.

“We will not hand over our healthcare for promises,” the leaflet said…

Sanders’ and Warren’s campaigns declined to comment.

The issue has been at the forefront of town halls that the union has held in Las Vegas with the candidates, including Warren and Sanders, and many union members and leaders made it clear they don’t want to give up their health plans.

(I haven’t seen Warren supporters complaining about this flyer yet, but feel free to let me know if I missed anything.)

Predictably, the Sanders supporters reacted to this mailer as they react to every ‘attack’ on their candidate. Some of them (the highest-ranking, most public figures) are arguing that it’s not really important, because after all President Sanders won’t be able to do what he’s campaigning on doing. The other half, well…

no longer funny that Ryan Grim is just openly lobbying unions on behalf of Sanders but still pretty funny that he’s doing it by promising that his flagship campaign promise will never happen pic.twitter.com/YWWNmYqy5P

— The Online-Normie Complex (@canderaid) February 12, 2020


(“Ryan Grim is an American author, former Washington, D.C. bureau chief for HuffPost and The Intercept, and a progressive political commentator for The Young Turks”, per Wikipedia.)

There are so many people in there aghast that workers in real life are actually looking fighting for their own rights and don't feel obligated to join any revolution. You know, like people have been saying this whole time.

— Iowasca Tripper (@agraybee) February 11, 2020

This isn’t the first time Bernie or his campaign have run afoul of Culinary; last cycle it was Bernie staff posing as union staff to get in to places they weren’t permitted https://t.co/Upg65hbZfW

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 12, 2020

I read the Greenhouse book "Beaten Down,Worked Up" which devoted a whole chapter to Culinary creating their own school, health facility,no premium health insurance,housing down payments, organized 95% of Vegas. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they know how to count votes https://t.co/aXqH58HarH

— The Bearded Crank (@beardedcrank) February 12, 2020

So you admit Sanders is pushing a lie? https://t.co/9WHJX4reqZ

— Rainbow Capitalist (@CascadianSolo) February 12, 2020

Attacking the Culinary union is not smart. Tbh their criticism of M4A was pretty mild, mild enough that they're not endorsing anyone. A better approach is to be like Klobuchar and to address their automation concerns to see if you can win them over elsewhere. https://t.co/8aLdgx6zxm

— The Bearded Crank (@beardedcrank) February 12, 2020

ETA: In case you thought I was exaggerating…

lol pic.twitter.com/M9rxScrlk7

— Centrism Fan Acct ? (@Wilson__Valdez) February 13, 2020

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