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Goddamned Traitors

Open Thread: Now It’s Gotten VSP-Serious

by Anne Laurie|  July 11, 201710:06 pm| 139 Comments

This post is in: Goddamned Traitors, Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Russiagate, Assholes

Stocks drop after Donald Trump Jr. posts emails on twitter https://t.co/Xccv8FHMQU pic.twitter.com/WcmXSpc6Gy

— Bloomberg Markets (@markets) July 11, 2017

The Dow gained it back, to close “flat”. But who else remembers the Doonesbury cartoon during the Watergate trial, where CEO Slackmeyer announces, “When the Dow drops below [x], it’s time to get the nooses”?

Dear Republicans:

If you rob a bank but get no money, you still get charged with armed robbery.

Collusion/treason work the same way.

— I'm So Over This (@Johngcole) July 11, 2017

Talked to an expert for more legal analysis on this. https://t.co/dYuZgg3NdW

— Philip Bump (@pbump) July 11, 2017

… The Washington Post spoke with experts who believe that emails show Trump Jr. having probably “crossed the line on conspiracy to commit election fraud or conspiracy to obtain information from a foreign adversary.”

That last part alone is illegal, Noble explained.

“Anyone soliciting a foreign contribution is violating the law,” he said — and that includes opposition research, such as what was embraced by Trump Jr. One legal bar is whether someone provides “substantial assistance” to obtaining something of value from a foreign national. “Given the emails,” Noble said, “I think that’s substantial assistance.”…

“Had he been running the Trump businesses and not been involved in the campaign. Not been traveling on behalf of the campaign. Not been speaking out for his father,” Noble said, “they might have an argument” that Trump Jr. wasn’t acting on behalf of the campaign. Trump Jr. didn’t need an official campaign title to be part of the campaign — and, besides, Noble said, he had one. Son.

(As for traveling for the campaign: Federal records show that Trump Jr. was reimbursed for nearly $30,000 in travel expenses by the Trump campaign.)

Trump Jr. was part of the campaign. Trump Jr. set up a meeting with other campaign representatives to receive what he thought was material impugning an opponent that, he was told, came directly from the Russian government. (In fact, he was told that it was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” something that President Trump has long denied existed. Trump Jr. doesn’t appear to have balked at that description.) In other words, it’s no longer possible to deny that the campaign sought to collude with the Russian government in its meddling efforts…

Of course Jr told Dad about email; you think Jr wouldn’t tell his dad he did something edgy, valuable, possibly dangerous, & helpful to DJT?

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) July 11, 2017

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When @realDonaldTrump said show us the evidence of collusion, I have to say, I didn't expect his son to answer. https://t.co/yqzbZFkmM8

— Senator Mazie Hirono (@maziehirono) July 11, 2017

Many people can't grasp the Russia story because they start with this mistaken premise: "The couldn't possibly be that stupid."

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) July 10, 2017

"Life's tough. Its even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) December 21, 2011

"oh, yeah, sure, like I'm the first thick-skulled semi-literate baboon to get duped into colluding with a foreign power, whatever"

— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) July 10, 2017

They fail Donald Trump's test of competence to exercise official power despite being related to him. That's pathetic!

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) July 11, 2017

Re-upping this story from last year that a college friend of Don Jr's shared about his experience with Trump and Trump Jr. pic.twitter.com/FbYKUwpsop

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 10, 2017

In retrospect, there were some warning signs. pic.twitter.com/CT3jI9MuON

— NY Review of Books (@nybooks) July 11, 2017


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To quote the younger Slackmeyer: GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!

Open Thread: <em>Now</em> It’s Gotten VSP-SeriousPost + Comments (139)

Another Russiagate Open Thread: Projection That IMAX Can Only Envy

by Anne Laurie|  July 11, 20179:07 am| 199 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Goddamned Traitors, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel, Assholes

EXCLUSIVE: Russian lawyer who met with Trump Jr. tells @KeirSimmons: "I did not have Clinton info they wanted" https://t.co/6r1SGlFy01

— NBC News (@NBCNews) July 11, 2017

If there’s anything a smart Russian lawyer would understand, it’s how to manipulate the half-witted offspring of a couple of crooked ‘developers’ working for a paranoid oligarch…

“They wanted it so badly.” Russian lawyer tells NBC about efforts by Don Jr., Jared and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. pic.twitter.com/pgwQV8G3FK

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) July 11, 2017

Also, Russian lawyer tells NBC it was the Trump campaign that approached her about getting dirt on Hillary, not the other way around.

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) July 11, 2017

NYT: Don Jr was told before mtg that Clinton dirt was part of Russian govt effort to aid Trump

6/9/16: Mtg w/Russian

7/24/16: He said this pic.twitter.com/XlzPJAWsd7

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) July 11, 2017

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I second Mr. Charles P. Pierce, at Esquire:

… What I believe I see here is an incredibly corrupt American family doing business with criminal gangs that are way, way out of their league, and that are in league with the institutions of government, and the formidable security apparatus, of an authoritarian state. Talk about punching out of your weight class. This isn’t cheating some poor subcontractor. These people throw you out windows. And the Trumps have being doing business in this financial abattoir for years. This doesn’t make them sharp. This makes them compliant minnows in a shark tank.

Not to borrow trouble, but what if these guys decide that the president’s son—or, god forbid, the president himself—have become as inconvenient as Sergei Magnitsky was. For months now, people have been asking what the Russians “have” on Donald Trump. Maybe it’s just fear. If it’s not, it ought to be.

I cannot say this strongly or sincerely enough. If you work in the White House, you need to have a plan in place for retaining a lawyer.

— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) July 11, 2017

I don't get this tactic. It seems too extreme. What was coming to life to make Kushner/Trump/whoever push Junior into traffic?

— Pete Rudkins (@Pete_Rudkins) July 11, 2017

If Mueller starts really going after Trump's son, it's hard to imagine what Trump wouldn't do to stop it. We're headed for dangerous times.

— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) July 10, 2017

Also possible to imagine him pulling up the drawbridge leaving his kids to face whatever https://t.co/RdNuNpHKXw

— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) July 10, 2017

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Monday Evening Open Thread: GOP Leaders Have “Other Priorities”

by Anne Laurie|  July 10, 20174:46 pm| 143 Comments

This post is in: An Unexamined Scandal, Foreign Affairs, Goddamned Traitors, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Russiagate, Decline and Fall

Why aren’t Ryan/McConnell rushing out to say Russia interfered in election?

Better Q: when Obama asked to go public why wouldn’t they?

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) July 8, 2017

One might wonder if they had been assured Russians wouldn’t hurt their candidates but would hurt Dems https://t.co/JMZZSZ7xle

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) July 8, 2017


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Apart from keeping in mind that half our nation’s “leadership” cares more about their current perqs than the future of the godsdamned country, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

And the GOP was so disturbed McConnell told Obama that if he exposed the Russian operation, they'd blame the Dems for stealing the election.

— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) July 9, 2017

The implication of the Trump-Putin meeting is that there will be no deterrent to the Kremlin's next election hacks. https://t.co/4F63uxvWqH

— Spencer Ackerman (@attackerman) July 7, 2017

Clapper: Next time, Russians could go after Republicans. I wish people would remember, “this is an assault on us.” https://t.co/sYFU07Qhma

— CNN (@CNN) July 6, 2017

pic.twitter.com/fMhVasVnHt

— ???B??TY (@SHABOOTY) July 9, 2017

Monday Evening Open Thread: GOP Leaders Have “Other Priorities”Post + Comments (143)

Late Night “It’s Always Projection” Thread: You May Not Believe “The Tape” Exists, But Trump’s Closest Associates Certainly Do

by Anne Laurie|  July 10, 20172:16 am| 56 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Goddamned Traitors, Hail to the Hairpiece, Republican Venality, Russiagate, Trump Crime Cartel

When Gore campaign was sent Bush debate brief book, they called FBI. If foreign interests offer you info on former SOS, you call the FBI.

— stuart stevens (@stuartpstevens) July 10, 2017

… And that’s why they were so desperate, so certain, that the Clinton campaign must be hiding some deeply embarrassing / criminal evidence.

EVERYBODY DOES IT has always been the go-to defense for the Trump crime cartel, not to mention the Republican Party.

BREAKING: Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton https://t.co/DEh0qc4XOi pic.twitter.com/RTam2eQJG9

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 9, 2017

The Editor in Chief of Lawfare:

First, note the sourcing. This is clearly NOT an investigative leak. This is a set of White House admissions in response to the story. /2/ pic.twitter.com/YUW64ZczRX

— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) July 9, 2017

This graf is devastating, however. It shows that the Trump folks were willing to cooperate with Kremlin in exchange for dirt on Hillary. pic.twitter.com/UPLqnOQa0d

— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) July 9, 2017

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This is a very interesting graf. POTUS denies knowledge and Trump Jr.'s statement clears both Manafort and Kushner. Jr. takes the fall. /8/ pic.twitter.com/xbuVI0clSk

— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) July 9, 2017

Donald Trump Jr. admits he lied to the NYT when he said the meeting was about adoptions. Was about HRC all along https://t.co/DEh0qc4XOi pic.twitter.com/z0ZXqci9cJ

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 9, 2017

Short version–> @DonaldJTrumpJr met with known Russian agent to get damaging info on Clinton and was disappointed when she didn't deliver

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) July 9, 2017

Either that meeting was more important than they're saying or it was easy to get Trump's 3 closest aides in a meeting w/ a pointless nobody.

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) July 10, 2017

Russians: let's collude against Clinton
Trump Jr: totally, let's meet
Russians: actually i'd rather talk policy
Trump Jr: nah i'm good cya

— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) July 9, 2017

The argument is "She tricked me with the offer of collusion and I bailed when that turned out to be bogus?" pic.twitter.com/DUnDFm1jUe

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 9, 2017

And, perhaps the biggest news out of this NYT story is that the spokesperson for Pres. Trump's legal team let Don Jr. out all on his own. pic.twitter.com/60bqhvv4j3

— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) July 9, 2017

Sources close to Trump are discussing which "advisers to the White House" might want revenge against Don Jr. ???????? pic.twitter.com/U84zX22QVW

— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) July 10, 2017

The idea that the information's lack of strategic value makes it exculpatory… no words https://t.co/hsB7FVkyxT

— Brendan Nyhan (@BrendanNyhan) July 9, 2017

Bush 43 WH ethics lawyer on NYT story/Donald Trump Jr. and Kushner meeting with Russian lawyer: “This borders on treason” via @MSNBC pic.twitter.com/Ceu5xLYgnB

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) July 9, 2017

Late Night “It’s Always Projection” Thread: <em>You</em> May Not Believe “The Tape” Exists, But Trump’s Closest Associates Certainly DoPost + Comments (56)

And now, this…

by Betty Cracker|  July 9, 20179:38 pm| 161 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Goddamned Traitors, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Russiagate, Assholes

Even the amoral, power-hungry, scheming knobs in the Republican Party who have overlooked President Cray-Cray’s corruption, incompetence and allegiance to Putin balked at Trump’s insane suggestion this morning that the U.S. should partner with the Russian foxes to guard the electoral hen house. So now, this:

I just don’t know what to say. Open thread?

ETA: Forgot about this from earlier today:

Awkward! If Trump’s cabinet members, family and associates weren’t utter scumbags, I’d pity them. To paraphrase Robin Williams from “Birdcage,” working with a lunatic like Trump must be like riding a psychotic horse toward a burning barn.

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Saturday Morning Open Thread: Rashamon, Rash o’ Liars

by Anne Laurie|  July 8, 20175:23 am| 168 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Foreign Affairs, Goddamned Traitors, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Russiagate

(Jack Ohman via GoComics.com)
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We’ve survived worse, but yesterday sure felt like a low point in American history. Of course I knew Republican corporatists would be happy to sell the country to anyone who offered, but I figured at least they’d set a higher price. Guess they read the ‘thirty pieces of silver’ story from that holy book they all claim to revere, and figured it would be disrespectful to their role model to ask for more…

Apart from mourning / #Resisting, what’s on the agenda for the day?
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Tillerson: "There was a very clear positive chemistry between the two…There was not a lot of relitigating things from the past."

— Jeff Zeleny (@jeffzeleny) July 7, 2017

Both the fence and the burglar agreed there was no need to relitigate who the TV belonged to.

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 7, 2017

Tillerson also said the two presidents agreed not to meddle in each other's domestic affairs. This is a huge PR win for Putin. Incalculable.

— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) July 7, 2017

Tillerson suggests that with Russia, "on some issues maybe they have the right approach and we have the wrong approach."

— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) July 7, 2017

Even if you accept Tillerson readout, Trump never threatened Russia with punishment for past or future election interference. Big Putin win.

— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) July 7, 2017

POTUS' inexplicable refusal to confirm Russian election interference insults career intel pros & hinders our ability to prevent in future.

— Sally Yates (@SallyQYates) July 7, 2017

Agree completely. CIA, NSA, FBI with DNI have "high confidence" Putin directed effort to "undermine public faith in US democratic process" https://t.co/ludVou2qYf

— David S. Cohen (@cohendavid) July 7, 2017

According to Lavrov, Trump told Putin some circles in America were "exaggerating" allegations of Russian interference in the US election.

— Steve Rosenberg (@BBCSteveR) July 7, 2017

To me the most significant part of the story is the utter absence of complaint from the “conservative,” “pro-defense” party. https://t.co/9KLYS611Tz

— James Fallows (@JamesFallows) July 7, 2017

The fact that the U.S. account of events is treated with as much skepticism as the Russian account is the consequence of Trump's lies

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) July 8, 2017

Trump handed Putin a stunning victory https://t.co/OnPc3l7XDP via @POLITICOMag pic.twitter.com/72XiAEnTVh

— POLITICO (@politico) July 8, 2017

Not a "victory" if they're on the same side. Not a cyber "attack" if it's welcomed. The WH is aligned with Russia. We have to accept that. https://t.co/qL4Hecv7kf

— Brandon Friedman (@BFriedmanDC) July 8, 2017

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Trump Capitulates

by Betty Cracker|  July 7, 20172:42 pm| 222 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Goddamned Traitors, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Russiagate, Assholes, General Stupidity

I don’t know how else to interpret this outcome of the Trump-Putin meeting. Via WaPo:

HAMBURG — President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday discussed brokering “commitments of noninterference” in the U.S. political system during a lengthy face-to-face meeting in Germany, the first in-person encounter between the two leaders about Russia’s alleged role in the 2016 election.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who attended the two-hour-and-fifteen-minute meeting, said it did not focus on the United States moving to punish Russia for the allegations that it hacked and leaked information that would help Trump win the election. Instead, Tillerson said the two leaders discussed “how do we move forward” regarding the election-hacking issue.

He said the White House was not “dismissing the issue” but wanted to focus on “how do we secure a commitment” that there will not be interference in the future.

Trump is just carrying on a long tradition. Remember when Abraham Lincoln contacted Jefferson Davis to discuss brokering commitments of non-firing on Ft. Sumter? Or when FDR and Emperor Hirohito put that unpleasantness at Pearl Harbor behind them and agreed to move on? Or, more recently, when President Obama called Osama bin Laden and asked how to secure a commitment that there would be no more terrorist attacks?

This is outrageous. It’s insulting. It’s cowardly. Any Republican who goes along with this “let bygones be bygones” strategy is a fucking traitor, pure and simple. And my guess is it will be every last one of the craven worms: After they finish furrowing their brows and expressing “concern,” they’ll go back to sniffing around after tax cuts while Putin consolidates control of our government.

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