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Impeachment Inquiry

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Open Thread: Due Respect for Senator Romney

by Anne Laurie|  February 5, 20206:31 pm| 227 Comments

This post is in: Impeachment Inquiry, Open Threads, Your Place Is In The Resistance

George Romney would have been proud

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 5, 2020

This, right here. It hasn’t changed how I feel about Mitt Romney, and if he still lived in Massachusetts I might not be able to bring myself to say this, but he did the right thing by voting to impeach Trump.

And if that’s because he finally got to behave in a way that would make his old man proud… well, I’ve never heard a harsh word about George Romney from the Michiganders who lived through his governorship there. Which among others would include my Spousal Unit, along with political professional Dana Houle.

Props to Romney. And props to Mormons, many of whom have demonstrated integrity in rejecting Trumpism. But I have to wonder if part of the psychology at play is thinking about what would have happened if instread of the eventually impeached Nixon his dad had been the 1968 nominee

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 5, 2020

Also worth noting one’s father was born in a refugee camp, the other’s father was born in a Mormon colony in Mexico and fled during the Mexican Revolution, losing their home and most of the property.

Romney & Amash don’t come from the same tribal background of 95% of DC Repubs https://t.co/HjN2qxbrKu

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 5, 2020

And he’s just made himself all the right enemies…

So you’re saying that @SenatorRomney prioritized his oath of office and fidelity to the Constitution over partisan considerations. https://t.co/mF4U4eMtj6

— Robert Schlesinger (@rschles) February 5, 2020

Look, this is the absolute lowest of bars, but this Romney vote is probably the most politically courageous thing a Republican has done since Trump has been elected. Again, the lowest of bars, but it's definitely something given how badly he's about to be pilloried.

— Centrism Fan Acct ?? (@Wilson__Valdez) February 5, 2020

this isn't a knock on romney or a diminution of his decision, which is good and right. i just don't think mitt romney gives much of a shit about what charlie kirk thinks about him, which makes him sane.

— Very Calm Sporting Enthusiast (@CalmSporting) February 5, 2020

gotta admire Romney for saving this till the moment it would absolutely ruin what had been a great news cycle for Trump too. both morally *and* politically on point. good work.

— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) February 5, 2020

Honestly, I think he's just an old man who's tired of this shit. https://t.co/An7A3xEeJY

— Starfish Annoyed With The Corn-Eating Incompetents (@IRHotTakes) February 5, 2020

No, Mitt ain't a saint. Trump's rise is in no small part due to Mitt helping raise his national profile.

But at the end of the day, he had a limit, which is frankly more than you can say for most people these days. That, if nothing else, is worth respect.

— Starfish Annoyed With The Corn-Eating Incompetents (@IRHotTakes) February 5, 2020

And he’s changed the top line in his obituary from that dinner with Trump:

History will mark that the vote to convict Donald Trump was bipartisan. The vote for acquittal had no Democrats. The narrative of the Iowa Caucus and the State of the Union suddenly seems a long time ago.

— Dan Rather (@DanRather) February 5, 2020

Take your victories where you find them!

Open Thread: Due Respect for Senator RomneyPost + Comments (227)

Monday Morning Open Thread: Bigger Than the Super Bowl, Even

by Anne Laurie|  February 3, 20206:05 am| 107 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, Impeachment Inquiry, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Warren for President 2020

prepping tomorrow's class. pic.twitter.com/Lzl0SjMHZh

— Bethany Albertson (@AlbertsonB2) February 2, 2020

First, an excellent idea concerning last week’s Republican clown show: Commentor Debbie suggested people nominate Adam Schiff for the JFK Library’s Profile in Courage Award, because he has earned it, and because it will piss off all the right people. Here’s a link to the nomination form. And here’s what commentor Zhena Goglia submitted:

Adam Schiff has done heroic service to his country in chairing the impeachment hearings in the House Intelligence Committee and as House Manager of the impeachment trial of Donald J. Trump. His performance in both of these roles was nothing short of miraculous — he displayed keen intelligence, broad and deep knowledge of the facts and of the legal issues, and unerring moral insight and courage. During the impeachment trial he spoke eloquently, vividly, and forcefully for hours on end. He was threatened by our mob boss of a president in the middle of the trial, but never lost his composure or his steadfast determination. In the face of unbelievable bad faith and pusillanimity on the part of the president’s counsel and the Republican senators, he never lost his focus on the truth and on his valiant attempt (perhaps a failed one) to save our democracy.

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Elsewhere, out in The Field… ICYMI, this mishap had the Politically Online extremely busy Sunday:

The Des Moines Register and CNN cancel the release of their highly anticipated Iowa poll tonight after Pete Buttigieg’s campaign complained he was left out of at least one phone call, per NY Times.https://t.co/ewrlbxAN5V

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) February 2, 2020

my sources tell me that the Selzer Iowa poll was extremely good for my preferred candidate, and very bad for my least favourite candidate

— The Online-Normie Complex (@canderaid) February 2, 2020

The Iowa polls we’re all obsessing over consistently show a huge number of undecideds – like 50 percent. The polls don’t have to be wrong for the outcome to differ from what they’ve shown so far.

— Adam Jentleson ?????? (@AJentleson) February 2, 2020

Note from a Iowa inhabitant:

This has been the general theme of my interactions with normal 20- & 30somethings here. Happy to get moving & not judgemental about primary preferences, just want a D in Nov. The toxic bullshit I encounter inevitably comes from students, salaried campaign staff & pro activists.

— The Mall Krampus (@cakotz) February 1, 2020

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From a professional election observer:

Observations from seeing Biden, Warren and Sanders today:
-Would be shocked if Biden wins Iowa. Not a lot of excitement
-Warren seemed to have the best demo cross section young/old. Most substantive event
-Sanders needs high turnout, big but very young crowd

— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) February 2, 2020

Warren was on top of game interacting with questions. The crowded debate stages sap her strength in connecting with voters. Her prepared stump speech was not as good as her one-on-one interactions

— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) February 2, 2020

Political tourism is a thing. And yes I’m contributing to it. It was cool to see these events, but we kept running into people not from Iowa. All the candidates’ crowds are inflated with tourists

— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) February 2, 2020

The reporters are getting cranky. (Linskey is the one being paid to hate-stalk Warren.)

WaPo reporters also showing a bit of fartigue https://t.co/DUVHkPZF1H

— Laura Bassett (@LEBassett) February 2, 2020

“…the campaigns and voters acknowledged a palpable sense of unpredictability and anxiety as Democrats begin selecting which candidate to send on to a November face-off with President Donald Trump” ?@jpaceDC? ?@sara_burnett? https://t.co/o7M2rQo8bp

— Michael Tackett (@tackettdc) February 2, 2020

Monday Morning Open Thread: Bigger Than the Super Bowl, EvenPost + Comments (107)

Breaking: John Bolton Tries To Get Himself Out of His Self Constructed Bind

by Adam L Silverman|  January 31, 202012:45 pm| 42 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, America, Domestic Politics, Foreign Affairs, Impeachment, Impeachment Inquiry, Open Threads, Politics, Silverman on Security

The New York Times has just reported new information regarding the President’s attempt to extort Ukrainian President Zelensky to announce an investigation into the Bidens in exchange for both US military and other aid, as well as a White House visit.

EXCLUSIVE: Bolton book contains new, earlier, allegation of Trump's involvement in pressure campaign. Trump asked Bolton to call Zelensky to ensure he would meet w/Giuliani. Cipollone and Mulvaney were in room. w/@maggieNYT https://t.co/8lZaG4zbfu

— Michael S. Schmidt (@nytmike) January 31, 2020

From The New York Times (emphasis mine):

WASHINGTON — More than two months before he asked Ukraine’s president to investigate his political opponents, President Trump directed John R. Bolton, then his national security adviser, to help with his pressure campaign to extract damaging information on Democrats from Ukrainian officials, according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr. Bolton.

Mr. Trump gave the instruction, Mr. Bolton wrote, during an Oval Office conversation in early May that included the acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, the president’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani and the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, who is now leading the president’s impeachment defense.

Mr. Trump told Mr. Bolton to call Volodymyr Zelensky, who had recently won election as president of Ukraine, to ensure Mr. Zelensky would meet with Mr. Giuliani, who was planning a trip to Ukraine to discuss the investigations that the president sought, in Mr. Bolton’s account. Mr. Bolton never made the call, he wrote.

The previously undisclosed directive that Mr. Bolton describes would be the earliest known instance of Mr. Trump seeking to harness the power of the United States government to advance his pressure campaign against Ukraine, as he later did on the July call with Mr. Zelensky that triggered a whistle-blower complaint and impeachment proceedings. House Democrats have accused him of abusing his authority and are arguing their case before senators in the impeachment trial of Mr. Trump, whose lawyers have said he did nothing wrong.

The account in Mr. Bolton’s manuscript portrays the most senior White House advisers as early witnesses in the effort that they have sought to distance the president from. And disclosure of the meeting underscores the kind of information Democrats were looking for in seeking testimony from his top advisers in their impeachment investigation, including Mr. Bolton and Mr. Mulvaney, only to be blocked by the White House.

While all of the reporting and the reporters on this are focusing on what does this mean for today’s/this evening’s votes. Specifically whether this will force the votes on motions to bring witnesses and then to dismiss the impeachment charges against the President back until sometime over the weekend or next week. While that reporting is interesting, it misses the larger point: John Bolton’s information has a shelf life. And we are fast approaching that information passing it’s use by date.

Bolton’s information and use as a fact witness who directly observed what the President and other members of his senior staff – Chief of Staff Mulvaney, VP Pence, WH Counsel Cippolone, and others – has a limited shelf life. That information only has value if he can get it out before the Senate dismisses the impeachment charges against the President. Once the Senate dismisses the impeachment charges, his book is going to fail its pre-publication classification review, because it will be made to fail it’s pre-publication classification review in order to keep it from ever seeing the light of day. The person overseeing that review, National Security Council Counsel John Eisenberg is one of White House Counsel Pat Cipollone’s deputies. Bolton will likely sue to force his book to be approved, which is the normal response to these things, and that suit will be resolved several years from now. While that suit drags on, as soon as the Senate dismisses the impeachment charges against the President, the President will have AG Barr go after him the way that Deputy FBI Director McCabe and others have been targeted. Bolton’s only chance now is to get ahead of what’s coming. And that chance has a very quickly oncoming expiration date.

Today just went sideways for Senator McConnell, the President, and Pat Cipollone whose long suspected complicity and involvement in all of this has now been further exposed to the light of day. The question is whether Senator McConnell can regain his footing to do what we all know he is planning on doing.

Open thread!

Breaking: John Bolton Tries To Get Himself Out of His Self Constructed BindPost + Comments (42)

Friday Morning Open Thread: Really?

by Anne Laurie|  January 31, 20206:55 am| 105 Comments

This post is in: Impeachment Inquiry, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Venality

I’m watching the trial. They take a break. She calls. How was your day she asks. I say all good. I say how was your day, what you been up to? She says “really”? pic.twitter.com/UyvNb0UC3S

— Douglas Emhoff (@douglasemhoff) January 30, 2020

That awkward feeling when you’re a Supreme Court Justice that just got #warrened by @ewarren. pic.twitter.com/CiYa9OHjfb

— Adam Mordecai (@advodude) January 30, 2020


Warren’s best mom voice: I’m not mad at you, I’m just very, very disappointed with you.

And I missed this, Wednesday:

Omg, Kamala Harris incorporated a quote from the Access Hollywood tape into her question pic.twitter.com/UVOUWYzHFI

— Acyn Torabi (@Acyn) January 29, 2020

This is indeed a very dangerous situation in terms of our democracy, but it is still not a dictatorship. Do not minimize the power that taking back the House has given us. It has prevented more damage to healthcare & has facilitated investigations.

— Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) January 30, 2020

I’d also just point out that most of the military and state security services f*cking loathe the guy, which ain’t exactly ideal conditions for seizing power indefinitely. https://t.co/VjlDAfBYjZ

— Peter Wolf (@peterawolf) January 30, 2020

One of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen from the WSJ Editorial Board—and I’ve read it for 15 years straight.
This isn’t even within the bounds of reasonable disagreement. It’s just stupid. https://t.co/93dKLbysAD

— Heath Mayo (@HeathMayo) January 30, 2020

For a country that survived the wholly necessary and tragic Civil War, to say we can’t sacrifice a corrupt and greedy official because facing the partisan divide would be too challenging is quite something. https://t.co/COYxBdfMm7

— Impeachable if Not Memorable (@FlyingMezerkis) January 31, 2020

“Did you take Professor Dershowitz’s class at Harvard Law?”
“No. That’s why my arguments are cogent.”
Here’s Chuck Schumer bodying Alan Dershowitz at the end of this morning’s news conference pic.twitter.com/ln1e13W6H7

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 30, 2020

Friday Morning Open Thread: <em>Really?</em>Post + Comments (105)

Today’s GOP Star Disgrace: Rand Paul

by Anne Laurie|  January 30, 20205:41 pm| 179 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Impeachment Inquiry, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Assholes

Sen. Rand Paul left the chamber after Chief Justice John Roberts declined to read his question.

"The presiding officer declines to read the question as submitted," the Chief Justice said. https://t.co/9dHVqNAsee pic.twitter.com/vnc1Oj03a1

— This Week (@ThisWeekABC) January 30, 2020

The name of the guy Rand Paul would like to believe is the whistleblower is now all over the web, so he’s achieved his goal — and it’s not as though Rand Paul needed to worry about his reputation; this is the kind of petty self-aggrandizing bullshit that’s his trademark. I don’t even think that Rand is explicitly paid by Putin, or blackmailed by the GRU. He just likes being the center of attention, and the only way he’s capable of achieving that is by being a dick.

I’d like to believe that Chief Justice Roberts would care enough about his own not inconsiderable self-esteem to bring the full force of his powers down on Paul, but I’d also like to believe that my favorite potato chips are health food, and that ain’t happening either.

Q: "With all due respect, shouldn't you be in impeachment hearing right now?"

Sen. Rand Paul: "Yeah. I will be there very shortly. Thanks for the question." pic.twitter.com/nsLGfdnOX8

— Jeremy Art (@cspanJeremy) January 30, 2020

Rand Paul tried to pull a petty stunt this morning to out the whistleblower. He got embarrassed by John Roberts then, and he's getting embarrassed by Adam Schiff now.

And he deserves every second it.pic.twitter.com/uCsvNlBW5m

— Brian Tyler Cohen (@briantylercohen) January 30, 2020

Six years ago, Rand Paul received an award from a whistleblower advocacy organization. Today, he publicly revealed the name of the alleged whistleblower. https://t.co/NHnxMhaQeZ

— Sam Stein (@samstein) January 30, 2020

Remember when Senator John McCain told Rand Paul that he was working for Vladimir Putin? I do.pic.twitter.com/CxHMA7sk4K

— Ricky Davila (@TheRickyDavila) January 30, 2020

Today’s GOP Star Disgrace: Rand PaulPost + Comments (179)

Thursday Morning Open Thread: The Daily Grind

by Anne Laurie|  January 30, 20206:40 am| 184 Comments

This post is in: Impeachment Inquiry, NANCY SMASH!, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Venality, Trumpery

Keep the pressure on Mitch and the Senate until the vote.

Remember this ?? https://t.co/cwFPiCPndR pic.twitter.com/e9xvRkFdWd

— Swing Left (@swingleft) January 28, 2020

In the 1780s, republicans argued the president should be checked by the legislature, or else the president would be like a king.

In 2020, Republicans argue the president must have unchecked power, or else Congress would be like a parliament.

— Jennifer N. Victor (@jennifernvictor) January 30, 2020

what did the president not know and when did he start not knowing it

— Alexandra Petri (@petridishes) January 29, 2020

No one is above the law, not even the President. https://t.co/06Vks2wzQR

— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) January 29, 2020

Jennifer Rubin, in the Washington Post, “Republicans Are Trapped, Thanks to Nancy Pelosi”:

If not for the foresight of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to shine a bright light on the purpose of a trial — an evaluation of evidence — and to delay sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate, the White House, Republican senators and a hapless chorus of sycophantic pundits would not be in meltdown mode.

With an assist from former national security adviser John Bolton, Pelosi cornered Senate Republicans who had hoped to escape the spectacle of a full airing of President Trump’s unconscionable conduct. They can acquit, and in all likelihood will, but they cannot facilitate Trump’s cover-up without implicating themselves and entirely discrediting the process. They face humiliation when evidence eventually comes out. If they vote to acquit without hearing from Bolton, Trump will be denied the satisfaction of exoneration by a credible process.

Voters are far ahead of Republican senators. In the latest Quinnipiac poll, registered voters want witnesses by a margin of 75 to 20 percent. That includes “49 percent of Republicans, 95 percent of Democrats, and 75 percent of independents.” In a party known for its cultish obedience to the White House line, Trump cannot even peddle his “no witnesses” snake oil.

Trump has also lost a majority of voters on the merits. “More than half of voters, 53-40 percent, say President Trump is not telling the truth about his actions involving Ukraine. … More than half of voters, 54 percent, believe President Trump abused his power regarding his actions involving Ukraine, while 42 percent say he did not. A similar 52 percent think that President Trump obstructed Congress regarding its investigation of his actions involving Ukraine, while 42 percent think he did not.” They don’t buy that there was a legitimate reason to suspend aid (52 percent “think the Trump administration’s withholding of U.S. aid to Ukraine was not justified, while 34 percent say it was justified”)…

There are only two escape hatches, both distasteful for Trump. First, he could stipulate to every fact presented by Democrats, essentially admitting that he and his lawyers lied. He could then rely on his “not impeachable!” argument. Second, Republicans could start brokering a deal for censure. Trump is not one to admit error, however, so the chances are slim to none that he would agree to either…

I’m worried that Trump may try to leverage debt ceiling negotiations to stop impeachment and any further investigations. Oh wait, no I’m not, because Pelosi made a two-year deal in 2019 so that’s not in his arsenal now. What luck.

— Reject Ophidiophobia (@agraybee) January 29, 2020

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What Kind of Fuckery Is This?

by $8 blue check mistermix|  January 29, 20208:44 am| 132 Comments

This post is in: Impeachment Hearings

Last night the news broke that McConnell doesn’t have the votes to block a vote on having witnesses. What this means isn’t clear, but if there’s anything clear about this whole ordeal, it’s that Comrade McConnell is going to engage in the maximum fuckery possible. In last night’s comments on a post with a different topic, Martin made this point:

As part of the process, they have a vote of whether to consider witness. That’s the vote in question here. Then there’s a process of submitting witness requests to leadership, I think it is, and they introduce individual motions for votes. They don’t need to introduce every rando request, but things they think are relevant. It could be none will pass. There will probably be some negotiating in how the motions are structured, whether individual witnesses, open or closed session, all that garbage.

That sounds possible to me, but as the ever-shifting needs of the weaker links in his caucus to have fig leafs of “I did too vote for witnesses” bump up against the desires of safe seat Senators to just get it over with, how this thing ends up will probably be at least a little unpredictable.

That first story linked brings up a Republican talking point that witnesses will cause the impeachment to be delayed by a side trip into the courts as witnesses resist their subpoenas. My understanding is that this is bullshit: Roberts will rule from the bench and his ruling is final. Congress has the sole power to impeach and remove, and there is no appeal for a ruling from the presiding officer, the Chief Justice.

I’m sure Trump, who has skirted the law by dilatory legal actions for his whole life, disagrees, but unless anyone can cite a non-wingnut legal authority, I’m thinking that any witnesses called will show up.

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