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Saturday Night Snark Open Thread: Spy Balloon All GONE!…

by Anne Laurie|  February 4, 202310:58 pm| 95 Comments

This post is in: China, Foreign Affairs, Military, Republican Stupidity, Science & Technology

Saturday Night Snark Open Thread:  <em>Spy Balloon All GONE!...</em> 1

(John Deering via GoComics.com)

For my part, I’m convinced this whole Chinese balloon arc is really good comic relief in the midst of troubled times and we should try to enjoy it. https://t.co/QvLjKbeFOh

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) February 4, 2023

So much comedic potential just… wasted!

Straightforward from here:

1) Several GOP House members stroke out over the balloon.

2) Democrats win the special elections to replace them.

3) Democratic House majority!

It's foolproof.

— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) February 4, 2023

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Dumb shit like this encourages dumb people to actually fire at an object that is tens of thousands of feet out of range, and those rounds come down, and sometimes they kill innocent Americans, which seems like the kind of thing a United States Senator might want to discourage. https://t.co/rF64pEuuUZ

— Jason Kander (@JasonKander) February 4, 2023

Nah, but I guess I could’ve moved to a state I didn’t live and then disavowed everything I’d ever claimed to believe.

But I’ve had a far greater impact on the world by doing it my way.

I can live without the title. You go enjoy it, because it’s all you have, Senator. https://t.co/MIKaususDz

— Jason Kander (@JasonKander) February 4, 2023

As a “humorless scold,” I wholly disapprove of every single one of the hundreds of you that have replied to @JDVance1’s tweet calling me a “humorless scold” by modifying the picture he posted of himself holding a rifle to one where he’s holding a penis. pic.twitter.com/onVMhUcwsk

— Jason Kander (@JasonKander) February 4, 2023

These people are insane. https://t.co/h9JkmzELHJ

— Panda Bernstein (@J4Years) February 4, 2023

this is nonsense, the balloon clearly contains thousands of Chinese paratroopers ready to descend and seize our precious arable land https://t.co/FEass1apbW

— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) February 4, 2023

Wanna know how much better life was 40 years ago? It took 99 balloons to start a world war.

— Franklin Stove Expropriator (@agraybee) February 4, 2023

unemployment is at a fifty year low, time to pivot to, uh, balloons https://t.co/bYwK42W7Sm

— world famous art thief (@CalmSporting) February 3, 2023

Somebody is worried about this balloon spending more time in Missouri than them. pic.twitter.com/67bZTHkLgm

— Jason Kander (@JasonKander) February 4, 2023

Hawley: SHOOT IT DOWN
Biden: We will when it’s not above Americans
Hawley: Where’s Biden?
Biden: Waiting for it to be over the ocean
Hawley: We need an investigation!

*Balloon floats over ocean, gets shot down*

Hawley: …

boy parts people playing sports with girls!?!

— Jason Kander (@JasonKander) February 4, 2023

some raptor driver has a very interesting kill marking stenciled on his ride https://t.co/H8y8Nvl5nh

— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) February 4, 2023

someone should tell you, and apparently your family won’t. you sound like absolute crazy people.

— world famous art thief (@CalmSporting) February 4, 2023

I feel like this is the first event where I’ve really noticed the decline of twitter. This would have all been much funnier in the before times.

— Ben Matasar (@matasar) February 4, 2023

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War for Ukraine Day 345: Bakhmut!!

by Adam L Silverman|  February 4, 20238:03 pm| 81 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Military, Open Threads, Russia, Silverman on Security, War, War in Ukraine

(Image by NEIVANMADE)

THREAD: I spent last week in #Bakhmut, reporting for @unherd. This video was shot in the centre of the city, 200m from the Russian🇷🇺 positions. Listen with sound UP.

I was fortunate to embed with Ukrainian🇺🇦 special forces, here are my thoughts (& photos) from the front here. pic.twitter.com/RURNJV09f5

— David Patrikarakos (@dpatrikarakos) February 3, 2023

We’ll have the rest of David Patrikarakos’s reporting after the jump.

Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump:

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Dear Ukrainians, I wish you health!

Today, we have good news. Another 116 Ukrainians were released from Russian captivity.

Of them, 114 are privates and sergeants, and two are officers. Soldiers of our army, the National Guard, territorial defense, Navy, border guards, and the State Emergency Service.

We are constantly working to bring home all our people held in Russian captivity. And I’m happy every time it succeeds.

I thank our entire team that prepares exchanges, the Coordinating Staff of the Defense Intelligence. Budanov, Usov, Yermak, Klymenko, Maliuk, Lubinets – I thank everyone! Thanks to everyone who helped.

Of course, it is worth mentioning Denys Monastyrsky… He participated in preparing this exchange. And his death is really a big loss for our country.

Since February 24, our team has managed to return totally 1,762 Ukrainian men and women from Russian captivity.

I also thank all those involved in helping these people after their return.

Everyone who treats, restores documents, helps solve problematic issues of those released from captivity. It reflects the basic meaning of what we do. We restore and protect the normality of life for our people in a free country.

I spoke today with Rishi Sunak, Mr. Prime Minister of the UK. A very important conversation. We prepare pivotal things with him.

I thanked the Prime Minister and all the British people for helping our country. Now, in the UK, our guys have already started training on Challenger tanks. It’s a good vehicle. And it will be a big thing on the battlefield.

Together with our partners, we do everything daily to ensure that our soldiers have sufficient strength to defend against the terrorist state.

We also discussed other promising things that can strengthen our defense.

The issue of the threat to the international Olympic movement, which arose due to the weakness of the international sports bureaucracy, due to those who are trying to actually allow Russia to use sports for propaganda, was separately touched upon.

I am glad that the world hears our position that the Olympic principles must be unequivocally protected from the terrorist state.

Today, I signed the relevant documents to take another step to protect and cleanse our state from those on the side of the aggressor.

There is a request from the Security Service regarding persons with records that they have Russian citizenship. Tomorrow, another legal step will be taken to implement the sanctions decisions of the NSDC.

And we are working to synchronize our sanctions decisions with partner jurisdictions. The enemies of the free world have no right to use the free world for their own interests.

And one more thing.

During the 346 days of this war, I often had to say that the situation at the front was tough. And that the situation is getting tougher.

Now is that time again. A time when the occupier throws more and more of its forces to break our defenses. Now, it is very difficult in Bakhmut, Vuhledar, near Lyman, and other directions.

But now, as every day of these 346, the resilience of our soldiers decides everything. Our resilience!

It’s not about the efforts and plans of Russia. It’s about the courage and determination of our soldiers. The effectiveness and speed of all who support and help to support our defense forces. The attentiveness and persuasiveness of all those who defend Ukraine’s international positions. The strength and unity of our people – all those who work for our victory, and all those who support our heroes and the Ukrainian state.

To preserve all elements of our resilience is to guarantee victory.

Glory to all our soldiers! Thanks to everyone who helps!

Glory to Ukraine!

Another prisoner swap has occurred:

Another large exchange of prisoners took place: 116 Ukrainians returned home, including the defenders of Mariupol and Kherson partisanshttps://t.co/EoZwhvijYJ pic.twitter.com/CvbsmMPcgs

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) February 4, 2023

 

Here is former NAVDEVGRU Squadron Leader Chuck Pfarrer’s most recent assessments of the situations in Kreminna, Bakhmut, and Vuhledar:

KREMINNA AXIS /1245 UTC 4 FEB/ RU continues determined offensive efforts in the Kreminna Area of Operations (AO). During the period 3-4 FEB, RU forces resumed serial offensives & armed reconnaissance across the P-66 HWY. UKR artillery and air strikes hit RU troops. pic.twitter.com/tSCa9UC3os

— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) February 4, 2023

BAKHMUT AXIS /1310 UTC 4 FEB/ RU forces continue offensive operations against Krasna Hora. UKR has maintained a disruptive lodgment near Klischiivka. UKR missiles, artillery and strike aviation targeted RU troop concentrations and HQ elements in heavy fighting. pic.twitter.com/Pl603PDDua

— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) February 4, 2023

VUHLEDAR /1510 UTC 4 FEB/ RU troops continue piecemeal offensive operations against Vuhledar. RU ground attacks are impeded by flat, open terrain and a river perpendicular to the axis of advance. Russian attacks in the Vuhledar Area of Operations AO may be diversionary. pic.twitter.com/S1ByWcvpvA

— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) February 4, 2023

Bakhmut:

Update on Bakhmut, 4 February: the situation is as difficult as it was, but the Cossacks are holding the defence. In Kiyanyn's personal opinion, Bakhmut may be the breaking point for the Russians, who are not having an easy time they're trying to demonstrate. pic.twitter.com/WTWhb13Bbd

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) February 4, 2023

And the rest of David Patrikarakos’s reporting from the Thread Reader App:

Bakhmut itself is a hellscape of destruction. The city is almost deserted save for the odd, usually older, civilian who refuses to leave. 🇷🇺 forces are pounding it relentlessly. They are clearly targeting everything regardless of whether it is civilian or not.Image
If you want to discover the madness of #Russia’s 🇷🇺invasion of #Ukraine🇺🇦 come to Bakhmut. The battle for the city is now the longest of the war but the city is only of limited strategic value. Once more, Ukrainians are paying in blood for the insane dreams of a modern-day Czar.Image
“The full contact front is just there,” says one of the #Ukraine🇺🇦 soldiers I am with. “The Russians are just 200 metres down that road. Tomorrow, I will come back and kill them.”Image
The #Russia🇷🇺 tactics are based on what the soldiers here describe as “meat waves” of soldiers, usually conscripts or prisoners fighting for Wagner who are promised a pardon if they survive more than 6 months. The #🇺🇦Ukrainians often wipe them out. But more always come.Image
The #Ukraine 🇺🇦soldiers here have been fighting for a long time and they are tired, but morale remains high. They remain convinced they will win.Image
The #Ukraine 🇺🇦soldiers here always keen to show their appreciation – mainly to 🇺🇸 & 🇬🇧 – for all the help they have received. Here, @posoh_Strannika makes his feelings known. 
Drones are changing this war. A soldier tells me: “A while ago we used big, expensive tactical drones, made or the military but now, small and medium-sized civilian drones are becoming separate military units because they can cause great damage to the enemy.”Image
He continues: “We have learned how to attach small grenades and bombs to them. Now we can send up a small $3,000 Mavik 3 with a $30 grenade — and if you drop it perfectly on a T-90 you can take out a tank that costs millions.”Image
On the SF base I speak to the commander there. He continues, “if we were to lose Bakhmut, then speaking without emotion, it would not be a strategic defeat, we’d just lose a town. But in the meantime, we tie up a large force of Russians so they cannot proceed in other areas.”Image
“I think the battle will continue for about one or two months unless there is a major encirclement or something unexpected happens – it will go street by street; the artillery will slowly destroy all the tall buildings & it will descend to urban warfare. It will crawl to an end.”Image

Here’s the video from the seventh tweet. It seems to have gotten scrubbed between Twitter, the Thread Reader App, and WordPress:

The #Ukraine 🇺🇦soldiers here always keen to show their appreciation – mainly to 🇺🇸 & 🇬🇧 – for all the help they have received. Here, @posoh_Strannika makes his feelings known. pic.twitter.com/GXAT2OGCwd

— David Patrikarakos (@dpatrikarakos) February 3, 2023

Vuldehar:

2/4 The enemy attacks mostly during the daytime and reduces night-time combats, except for artillery shelling and brief tank shoot-and-scoot attacks: armed with thermal scopes(including French ones) tanks make 3-5 shots and then retreat.

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) February 3, 2023

4/4 While I do not have information as to why they are in the area, it seems like they were hoping to enter Vuhledar right after the 155th and 40th brigades. Publicity stunt to market Shoigu's creation amidst growing popularity of the "Wagner" has failed.

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) February 3, 2023

4/4 You can also see how the enemy attempted to outflank Vuhledar from the East, but sustained losses and had to retreat to Mykil's'ke.

Overall the situation remains dangerous due to increasing numbers of enemy infantry and artillery. pic.twitter.com/ObF0QWUBIK

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) February 4, 2023

 

Belgorod!

The Ukrainian Army has struck a giant oil depot near Belgorod, Russia.

A nearby metal factory providing material for the reconstruction of the Crimean Bridge has also caught on fire.

The fire is only growing larger and larger. pic.twitter.com/0RSvaPnmOO

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) February 4, 2023

A severe fire is reported in Borisovka, Belgorod Region, presumably a local oil storage facility is on fire. Russians are again clumsily handling cigarette butts. pic.twitter.com/BipHUBlJfz

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) February 3, 2023

Additional footage of a fire at an oil storage facility in the Borisovka, Belgorod region this night.
It is also interesting that, according to the information from the website of the factory, where this incident occurred, this plant also manufactured parts for Crimean bridge. pic.twitter.com/hY2RWQQ81O

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) February 4, 2023

The Guardian brings us reporting that I think is illuminating of the news that key infrastructure in Belgorod, Russia is burning:

If the worst happens, Taras, 23, Vladyslav, 21, and their commander, Olexiy, 39, are well aware that the Ukrainian government will deny any knowledge of them. In western capitals, there is a collective shudder at the very thought of them.

They are members of the Bratstvo battalion, a volunteer group of Ukrainian special forces, taking the fight against Vladimir Putin beyond the frontlines of the war in Ukraine, past the occupied areas of their country – and deep into Russia.

Their work ranges from the kidnapping of senior Kremlin officials, to the destruction of key military infrastructure and the downing of enemy aircraft on Russian territory.

It might seem odd for a battalion such as theirs to allow their stories to be heard in public. But that is to misunderstand their purpose. In everything they do, there is a single message they want to send. “It is very easy for us to cross the Russian border,” says Vladyslav, the youngest of the three, with a smile.

The volunteers of the Bratstvo, Ukrainian for brotherhood, have a peculiar status, technically independent from Ukraine’s army but operating side by side with the official forces. Their arm’s-length status offers deniability.

Olexiy is in “intelligence”, he says, but the battalion recruits mainly civilians, or plucks the brightest from other voluntary battalions. He says he understands why their work must remain apart. The reasoning is nevertheless hard for them all to swallow.

It comes down to the west’s nervousness at the thought of Ukraine having the capacity to hit Russia in Russia, as highlighted by the protracted debate over Germany’s provision of Leopard 2 tanks, and the refusal of the US and others to supply F16 fighter jets.

Much of that anxiety is probably linked to the Kremlin’s threat to use nuclear weapons if the “very existence of the state is put under threat”.

“It turns out that Russians can go to Ukrainian territory, but Ukrainians cannot go into Russia,” Olexiy says.

The Bratstvo volunteers are not deterred. They insist it is vital for the Russian high command to feel the heat of battle on their own territory.

Wearing jeans, jumpers and hoodies, they are drinking coffee in Kyiv’s Taras Shevchenko Park as they tell of their adventures, while on a break from training, planning and missions. The only hint of who they are is the handgun on Vladyslav’s hip.

Because of their unofficial status, their stories could not be independently verified but they are convincing and credible. They are also extraordinary in their daring.

The second eldest of the three men, Taras, says he returned two weeks ago from what he described as a straightforward operation. “Our group needed to bring a certain amount of explosives to the territory of Russia and leave them in a certain place,” he says. “I don’t know for what and whom this explosive was intended. But I know for sure that some people in Russia are ready to help Ukrainians.”

The small taskforces, often just four or five soldiers, work out where the safe routes lie into Russia by examining the movement of livestock, or taking the advice of those who smuggled contraband before the war.

Vladyslav and his fellow fighters were tasked with “capturing or killing one of the high-ranking officers of the FSB”, the Russian security services.

“He worked close to the border with Ukraine, but on the territory of Russia,” says Vladyslav. “We had the route of this Russian officer’s car and we decided to set up an ambush.”

They were in position for hours but the car did not arrive, and the primary goal had to be abandoned as day broke. They needed to get out but they faced the challenge of breaking back into Ukraine, past the watching Russian forces gathered at the border.

“We met a border post of Russian border guards,” Vladyslav recalls. “We engaged, we were four on four. We killed three Russians and slightly wounded one. We captured him, took him to Ukrainian territory and handed him over to the Ukrainian military.”

The Ukrainians had survived another day with just one of their group suffering a gunshot wound to his arm.

Taras adds: “Our operations are actually twice as safe as those performed by the Ukrainian armed forces. It seems that this is a very dangerous job, but we are very seriously preparing for it.”

The importance of their role, for all that it is denied by the government in Kyiv and disliked by western capitals, is clear to them.

“[Western readers] may expect from us that we are going to blow up the Kremlin, but so far this is not the case,” says Taras. “My opinion is that you should start with small tasks and then move on to more complex ones. A friend of mine has a saying: ‘To destroy an enemy military base, you must first blow up the doghouse.’”

Much, much more at the link!

And some more good news:

Mangushev wasn't just some Russian merc, but a political technologist/propagandist with a reputed connection to Wagner boss and all-round-Kremlin-businessthug Prigozhin, through the latter's media and consulting empires 2/https://t.co/zXLnksOk4c

— Mark Galeotti (@MarkGaleotti) February 4, 2023

Here’s the rest from the Thread Reader App:

He wasn’t in Wagner, but instead, operating with the callsign ‘Bereg,’ served as a captain in the 4th brigade of the 2nd Army Corps of the 8th Army. However, all was not quite as it seemed

Соратнику Пригожина Игорю Мангушеву выстрелили в голову с близкого расстоянияКак сообщил военный аналитик Борис Рожин, тяжелое ранение в голову получил, сотрудничавший с основателем ЧВК “Вагнер” Евгением Пригожиным владелец телеграм-канала «Записки авантюриста», капитан 4 бриг…https://www.mk.ru/politics/2023/02/04/soratniku-prigozhina-igoryu-mangushevu-vystrelili-v-golovu-s-blizkogo-rasstoyaniya.html
In many ways it is a reflection of the way Russian warfighting has become a public-private partnership that his unit, which seemed to be a specialist anti-drone one, was dogged with suggestions that it was privately funded/run even if formally army /4

“ВСУ се боят от нас”. Как воюва “подразделението на бъдещето”/Поглед.инфо/ „Лудите влизат в окопите с пластмасови оръжия“, шегуват се военните за този малък отряд на армията на ЛНР. Основната задача на бойците е да ловят дронове. За това как го правят – в матер…https://pogled.info/svetoven/russia/vsu-se-boyat-ot-nas-kak-voyuva-podrazdelenieto-na-badeshteto.151290
Mangushev himself had apparently fought in the Donbas in the ENOT PMC in 2014 and consorted with local proxy-politicians and neo-Nazis 5/

Кто такой Игорь Мангушев, который выступил с черепом и назвал его “останками” защитника “Азовстали”Украина обратилась в ООН в связи с видео, на котором российский наемник Игорь Мангушев произносит речь со сцены, держа в руках, как он говорит, череп убитого украинца, защищавшего “Азовсталь” во время…https://www.currenttime.tv/a/ukraine-russia-war-mangushev/32010950.html
In between, he has been a political technologist/political hitman affiliated with Prigozhin’s Patriot news network, especially targeting liberals like Lyubov Sobol, who was closely affiliated with Alexei Navalny 6/

Мангушев заявил об угрозе собственной безопасности со стороны «Новой газеты»Любовь Соболь, тесно связанная со структурами блогера Алексея Навального, подала запрос в СК для привлечения к уголовной ответственности политтехнолога Игоря Мангушева. Поводом для этого стало расслед…https://realtribune.ru/news-news-3313
Then he turns up in the ranks, not least with his ghastly skull stunt, having – by his claim to Meduza – been the originator of the now-infamous ‘Z’ (although one needs to take the claims of self-publicists with some caution) 7/

Буква Z — официальный (и зловещий) символ российского вторжения в Украину. Мы попытались выяснить, кто это придумал, — и вот что из этого получилось — MeduzaПервые снимки и видео, запечатлевшие российскую военную технику с непонятной маркировкой на борту, появились в соцсетях за несколько недель до начала войны. Чаще всего встречалась латинская литера Z —…https://meduza.io/feature/2022/03/15/bukva-z-ofitsialnyy-i-zloveschiy-simvol-rossiyskogo-vtorzheniya-v-ukrainu-my-popytalis-vyyasnit-kto-eto-pridumal-i-vot-chto-iz-etogo-poluchilos?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=live&utm_campaign=live
A persistent suggestion has been that this humble ‘captain’ in the army is actually not only one of Prigozhin’s people but operating near-autonomously, and perhaps being groomed as a future ‘hero’ precisely for PR benefit 8/ 
And now suddenly he has been shot in the head. In battle? “Doctors say that he was wounded as a result of a shot from a short-barreled gun at close range in the occipito-parietal region downwards at an angle of 45 degrees.” 9/

Соратнику Пригожина Игорю Мангушеву выстрелили в голову с близкого расстоянияКак сообщил военный аналитик Борис Рожин, тяжелое ранение в голову получил, сотрудничавший с основателем ЧВК “Вагнер” Евгением Пригожиным владелец телеграм-канала «Записки авантюриста», капитан 4 бриг…https://www.mk.ru/politics/2023/02/04/soratniku-prigozhina-igoryu-mangushevu-vystrelili-v-golovu-s-blizkogo-rasstoyaniya.html
Now, I may be the wrong sort of doctor, but that sounds like a ‘control shot’ execution from a pistol. According to the same report, he is currently alive but unlikely to survive. I think we can safely describe this as a hit. 10/ 
Was this about him or a proxy attack on Prigozhin? Obviously at this stage, impossible to say. However, it is worth noting that Prigozhin may have somewhat over-extended himself of late. 11/ 
Putin pretty much closed down his attacks on St P governor Beglov. Having watched Wagner burn through its zek-mercs in Wagner, the MOD now seems to be stepping in. The FSB, which for so long was happy to be on sidelines, may be getting fed up of him. 12/ 
So this could be a warning, or taking a pawn off the board, or a sign that Prigozhin’s more thuggish rivals feel he is weakened enough that they can move. Either way, it demonstrates how, under the pressure of war (and Putin’s apparent inability to control elite conflicts)… 13/ Russia is sliding back towards (aspects of) the ‘wild 90s,’ when murder was a business tactic, and the lines between politics, business, crime and war became near-meaningless. 14/end

And now we turn to the most recent news regarding the wayward Chinese spy balloon.

Obligatory:

Notable: US officials say they were able to block the balloon from gathering intel during its overflight of the US, while the US military was able to turn the tables, so to speak, to gather intel on the balloon itself and its equipment.

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) February 4, 2023

The Associated Press has more details: (emphasis mine)

The massive white orb that drifted across U.S. airspace this week and was shot down by the Air Force over the Atlantic on live television Saturday triggered a diplomatic maelstrom and blew up on social media.

China insists the balloon was just an errant civilian airship used mainly for meteorological research that went off course due to winds and had only limited “self-steering” capabilities.

The United States says it was a Chinese spy balloon without a doubt. Its presence prompted Secretary of State Antony Blinken to cancel a weekend trip to China that was aimed at dialing down tensions that were already high between the countries.

The Pentagon says the balloon, which was carrying sensors and surveillance equipment, was maneuverable and showed it could change course. It loitered over sensitive areas of Montana where nuclear warheads are siloed, leading the military to take actions to prevent it from collecting intelligence.

A U.S. Air Force fighter jet shot down the balloon Saturday afternoon off the Carolina coast. Television footage showed a small explosion, followed by the balloon slowly drifting toward the water. An operation is underway to recover the remnants.

The Pentagon and other U.S. officials say it was a Chinese spy balloon — about the size of three school buses — that moved east over America at an altitude of about 60,000 feet (18,600 meters). The U.S. says it was being used for surveillance and intelligence collection, but officials have provided few details.

U.S. defense and military officials said Saturday that the balloon entered the U.S. air defense zone north of the Aleutian Islands on Jan. 28 and moved over land across Alaska and into Canadian airspace in the Northwest Territories on Jan. 30. The next day it crossed back into U.S. territory over northern Idaho. U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive topic.

The White House said Biden was first briefed on the balloon on Tuesday. The State Department said Blinken and Deputy Secretary Wendy Sherman spoke with China’s senior Washington-based official on Wednesday evening about the matter.

In the first public U.S. statement, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, said Thursday evening that the balloon was not a military or physical threat — an acknowledgement that it was not carrying weapons. He said that “once the balloon was detected, the U.S. government acted immediately to protect against the collection of sensitive information.”

As for intelligence value, the U.S. officials said the balloon’s voyage across the U.S. gave experts several days to analyze it, gather technical data, and learn a lot about what it was doing, how it was doing it and why China may be using things like this. They declined to provide details, but said they expect to learn more as they gather and scrutinize the debris.

U.S. officials said Saturday that similar Chinese balloons transited the continental United States briefly at least three times during the Trump administration and once that they know about earlier in the Biden administration. But none of those incidents lasted this length of time.

Well imagine that. There is a reason that the government doesn’t just disclose certain information. Largely because while the Chinese use these things to try to collect information on us, we are collecting information on their capabilities to collect information on us. Had a reporter not been looking up at exactly the right moment, we wouldn’t know about this week’s incursion. Also, for everyone freaking out that the PRC was using this to collect their personal data, I’d like to just take a moment to introduce them to their smart phones! And for those freaking out that the PRC were using this to infect us with a bio-weapon – and the venn diagram on these two groups is almost a perfect circle – I’d like to just take a moment that you all consider COVID to be a PRC bio-weapon and yet, despite all your claims of patriotism, you couldn’t be bothered to get vaccinated, let alone vaccinated and boosted, let alone vaccinated, boosted, and wear a mask to help fend off what you believe is an act of war.

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— a ghostly fella (@mr_gh0stly) February 4, 2023

That’s enough for tonight.

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Saturday Night Music Thread (and maybe postcards?)

by WaterGirl|  February 4, 20237:52 pm| 113 Comments

This post is in: Music, Open Threads

Here’s a wide open Balloon Juice music thread for this evening.

I can’t remember whether i promised a postcard thread tonight or not, so this will do double duty, but the top billing will go to the music thread.  Please chime in if you are doing postcards!

I don’t really keep up with what the kids are listening to these days.  I’m confident that I don’t even know all the current categories of music.  (So sad.)  Which is kind of crazy because I love music.

I was thinking I might start tuning into this site, recommended by someone here in the past week or so:

A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs

Does anyone listen to that?

I have kind of old-fashioned taste in music compared to a lot of you.  I know we have some music people here, am I crazy thinking that brendancalling plays music?   So I have been wondering if some of you might like to seed the occasional music thread with some links you could send me ahead of time.  If that seems like a good idea, pipe up in the comments, and if that seems like a dumb idea, let me know that, too.

Is anyone listening to music right now?  What are you listening to?

Open thread.

 

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Saturday Afternoon Open Thread: Big Swinging Nimrods

by Anne Laurie|  February 4, 20235:06 pm| 131 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Republican Stupidity, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You

let's take a moment and examine massie's votes on tax cuts https://t.co/VIvSrsj4t7

— John Cole (@Johngcole) February 3, 2023


Massie’s not as illiterate as he pretends to be during primary seasons… nor is he as ‘educated’ about economics as he assumes his MIT degree makes him:

The copper-cased ticker affixed to Massie’s lapel is a debt clock, tracking the country’s debt in real time using a complicated algorithm of the Kentucky Republican’s design. https://t.co/UyB3oLxPsi

— Roll Call (@rollcall) February 3, 2023

One of the problems we’re facing right now is that many of the people who make decisions (CEOs, consultants, and a smattering of others) often lack deep knowledge of anything anyone does, and mostly just make shit up that sounds good enough to fool the right people.

— Courtney Milan 🦖 (@courtneymilan) February 1, 2023

This whole excellent thread seemed relevant:

This in and of itself isn’t necessarily a problem—there’s a time and a place for someone who can give a high level overview that gets the job done.

The problem comes in because these people always see themselves as the smartest person in the room.

They cannot comprehend that their shallow understanding of a situation is not the BEST understanding, that they aren’t the “smartest person in the room,” whatever that means, and most importantly, that “smartest person” does not mean “most skilled person in this scenario.”

Because they’re the smartest (in their view), and because they “get it” (in their view), everyone else in the room with real skills they have spent decades honing must be worse than them, and therefore, they are full of shit, and are *also* making things up on the fly.

This has a lot of consequences.

1. They don’t understand that their workers have knowledge, which means they see them as easily replaceable.

Their workers are not easily replaceable.

2. They don’t understand that their workers have limits, because they think that their workers are just widgets that cost money per hour, and with the right measures you can make them work arbitrarily hard for an arbitrary amount of time.

3. Funding flows in *abundance* to people who know how to schmooze with these folk, meaning that poorly thought out ventures that have a catchy tagline get millions and actual, thoughtful things with a real chance of making the world a better place languish…

4. They make real policy recommendations based on models that sound good and are easily explained but have no relationship to reality, and those recommendations are adopted by policy makers, to all of our vast detriments…

They are going to come up with a catchy slogan that will convince someone to roll out a marketing campaign that will make people think it’s going to be okay, while meanwhile, the world will continue functioning in the same way it has always functioned.

I googled nimrod, because I’ve learned to be cautious: Today, it’s generally understood to mean ‘a foolish person, an idiot’. But when I was growing up, it (still) meant a hunter, if one not necessarily as skilled as his self-perception, an inflection I assumed at the time was influenced by Bugs Bunny insulting Elmer Fudd. Folk-historically, though, Nimrod is supposed to have been the ‘mighty king’ who ordered the construction of the Tower of Babel, with dire results for the whole world…

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Cruel and Unusual Punishment

by WaterGirl|  February 4, 20233:20 pm| 154 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Wow, no new post for nearly 12 hours.  That’s cruel and unusual punishment!

The Florida blimp is furious about being upstaged by a Chinese balloon.

— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) February 4, 2023

The US Just Shot Down High-Altitude Chinese ‘Spy Balloon’

Biden: "On the balloon, I ordered the Pentagon to shoot it down on Wednesday as soon as possible [for safety] … they successfully took it down." pic.twitter.com/2GbSzejnZI

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 4, 2023

"That's no balloon…. it's a space station!" pic.twitter.com/71AIghjgvs

— Mark Hamill (@MarkHamill) February 4, 2023

Maybe we should fight about this for awhile?  The old fight is getting boring.

Open thread.

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Saturday Morning Open Thread: The DNC Winter Meeting

by Anne Laurie|  February 4, 20234:47 am| 326 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Elections, Open Threads, President Biden, Proud To Be A Democrat!, Vice-President Harris

President of the United States Joe Biden and Vice President of the United States Kamala Harris embrace and join hands on stage at the DNC Winter Meeting in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on February 3, 2023. pic.twitter.com/MYskahcack

— Kyle Mazza (@KyleMazzaWUNF) February 4, 2023

The DNC is poised to rearrange its presidential primary calendar—making South Carolina the lead state. CBS News' @aaronlarnavarro reports on the reaction from the DNC's winter meeting. pic.twitter.com/MQHxHt5woO

— CBS News (@CBSNews) February 2, 2023

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Biden reminds crowd of the three core reasons he ran in 2020: restore soul of America, rebuild the middle class, and unite the country. “The last is still the hardest thing to get done. But I refuse to give up. We can't give up.”

— Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) February 3, 2023

This evening at the DNC winter meeting in Philadelphia was a lot like a campaign event. Biden and Harris together, flanked by excited sign-waving supporters (DNC staffers), giving stump speeches, working a rope line for a long time afterward. pic.twitter.com/Fz8DwpZeEH

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) February 3, 2023

From the @DNC meeting in Philadelphia, by @KThomasDC and me: https://t.co/ExuJTL73mM

— John McCormick (@McCormickJohn) February 3, 2023


Even the Wall Street Journal was, most unwillingly, impressed:

PHILADELPHIA—Democratic National Committee members gathered for their winter meeting say President Biden is in a stronger position than a year ago to claim his party’s 2024 nomination after a better-than-expected midterm election, legislative victories and a new foe to run against in the form of the GOP-controlled House. 

Mr. Biden has solidified his standing within the party compared to a year ago, when his legislative agenda appeared stalled and Democrats quietly talked about potential primary challenges.

“Let me ask you a simple question: Are you with me?” Mr. Biden said in Friday address to DNC members, who responded with loud chants of “four more years.” After outlining what he sees as his legislative achievements during his first two years in office, he told party activists: “We’ve got a lot more to do.”…

Mr. Biden faced few signs of dissent at a downtown Philadelphia hotel where DNC members on Saturday are expected to approve a 2024 primary calendar personally promoted by the president. The plan rewards South Carolina with the first spot, a nod to a state that boosted what was then a struggling campaign for Mr. Biden in 2020.

The DNC subcommittee on Thursday approved a resolution that pointed to a litany of administration accomplishments and expressed “full and complete support” for the re-election of the president and Vice President Kamala Harris, who will also address party activists here. The resolution is expected to be approved Saturday by the full DNC…

Pennsylvania remains among the nation’s pre-eminent battleground states in the country and has served as a political base for Mr. Biden, who spent part of his childhood in Scranton, and represented Delaware in the Senate for more than three decades. Party strategists at the DNC event briefed members on two major success stories in the state: John Fetterman‘s election to the Senate and Josh Shapiro capturing of the governors’ mansion. 

Mr. Biden is expected to make an announcement on his re-election campaign in March or April, according to people familiar with the process. His outgoing chief of staff, Ron Klain, suggested that the president’s pursuit of a second term was all but assured during a White House event Wednesday marking the transition to a new chief of staff. 

“I look forward to being by your side as you run for president in 2024,” said Mr. Klain.

@POTUS is in the house! "If they send me a #bill that cuts #SocialSecurity, I have a #veto #pen! 🖊-@JoeBiden @TheDemocrats #DNC #Winter #Meeting in #Philadelphia pic.twitter.com/Hckp6kfHBN

— Seema Kazmi (@DrSeemaKazmi) February 3, 2023

.@POTUS in Philly again calls current GOP “extreme MAGA Republicans.”

“ These aren't conservatives,”Biden says.” They are disruptive people.They intend to destroy the progress we made folks.”

“ They can’t pay their fiscal responsibility,” he says about House Republicans. pic.twitter.com/n13P6UdOw9

— Fin Gómez (@finnygo) February 3, 2023

Vice President Harris addresses the extremists who want to ban books and attack voting rights at the DNC Winter meeting in Philadelphia, PA. pic.twitter.com/OtyMH58ehb

— What VP Harris Is Doing (@WhereIsKamala) February 3, 2023

Honored to be in attendance with other elected officials and party leaders at the DNC Winter Meeting in Philadelphia. Lt. Gov. Flanagan and Speaker Pelosi were the highlights from yesterday's program. Pelosi was presented a crystal gavel for her years of service to the DNC. pic.twitter.com/m5Rm44fKtf

— Debbie Goettel (@HennepinDebbie) February 3, 2023

Here at the DNC Winter Meeting in Philadelphia, we had a great Seniors Council meeting this morning. Even at 8:30A, the room was packed!

We had to move the event early because @POTUS & @VP are coming soon!

Can’t wait to hear from them about the #BidenBoom! 517000 new jobs!

— Jon “Bowzer” Bauman (@JonBowzerBauman) February 3, 2023

In his nice well-tailored suit, Sen. Fetterman looks like a global ambassador from the World of Very Large People…

With the DNC Winter Meeting continuing in Philadelphia, Chairman Jones was excited to meet with Democratic leaders like @JohnFetterman and @PADemsChair Street! pic.twitter.com/wH6buu0l38

— NJ Dems (@NJDSC) February 3, 2023

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Late Night Open Thread

by TaMara|  February 4, 202312:11 am| 28 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads

Here’s  fresh post to tide you over into the late night:

This is how much the comet moved in just 10 minutes tonight. This thing is FLYING. Must be moving close to 100,000mph right now. pic.twitter.com/TWjy8xC0PP

— Andrew McCarthy (@AJamesMcCarthy) February 2, 2023

This picture was taken this evening in the skies over Billings, Montana. pic.twitter.com/SxFY6Q2s0s

— Drew Savicki ⛄️⛄️⛄️ (@DrewSav) February 4, 2023

"Lunch Counter Sitdown Invades South Carolina"–this month 1960: pic.twitter.com/OSDzqOCU8T

— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) February 3, 2023

 

That time Dolly Parton sang Everyday People with Kermit the Frog.

Nothing more to see today. pic.twitter.com/j35FnOjwDj

— Danny Deraney (@DannyDeraney) January 25, 2023

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