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Tuesday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  September 23, 20255:39 am| 161 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Religion, Trump Crime Cartel, Vice-President Harris

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To those who observe, Shana Tovah!

It’s perfect that the rapture that some Christians believe is coming lands on Rosh Hashana, the literal new year for Jews when Adonai opens the Book of Life to scribble down which of us will live this year and which of us will die.
Good luck, everyone, is what I’m saying.

— Josh Sternberg (@joshsternberg.com) September 22, 2025 at 10:28 PM

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Kamala Harris: "It feels chaotic, but what I would offer you is what we are witnessing is the swift implementation of a plan that was decades in the making. Project 2025 didn't just drop out of thin air. That's a product of decades of work. Federalist Society, Heritage Foundation … "

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) September 22, 2025 at 9:26 PM

Kamala Harris: "We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That's what we're dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry and not speaking up … at some point they've gotta stand up."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) September 22, 2025 at 9:23 PM

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Q: How does Trump saying "I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them" square with bringing down the temperature of political violence?
LEAVITT: Look, the president is authentically himself. I think that's why millions of Americans across the country love him.

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) September 22, 2025 at 1:36 PM

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Honestly I can't blame them for raptureposting, because it's the simplest way out of the mess they're making

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— Chatham Harrison dba TRUMP DELENDUS EST (@chathamharrison.bsky.social) September 22, 2025 at 2:27 PM

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    1. 1.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 5:43 am

      LEAVITT: Look, the president is authentically himself. I think that’s why millions of Americans across the country love him.

      Not a lie for once. They love him because he hates us.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 5:44 am

      I logged onto Bluesky after several days and they were arguing over Kamala Harris. Will wait a few more days and then try again.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      satby

      September 23, 2025 at 5:52 am

      @Baud: yeah, that place has become tedious. Or maybe it’s just me. Here, BS, Substack: it’s all just propagating the same stuff.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Tony Jay

      September 23, 2025 at 5:56 am

      Well, yeah. But in six months time non-crazy people will say to that Trump voter in rural South Dakota that all the GOP/Maga Party have offered by way of policy for decades now is short words or phrases designed to evoke a specific emotional reaction while they destroy the country to fund billionaire tax cuts. So vote for someone else.

      And chances are, that Trump voter in rural South Dakota will go red in the face and respond with short words or phrases designed to evoke a specific emotional reaction.

      Whatchagonnado?

      Reply
    5. 5.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      September 23, 2025 at 6:00 am

      One problem with the administration’s actions is that when you’re the party of “empathy is a weakness” and “we’re all going to die sometime” it gets hard to sustain reverence for a martyr. Like, he died sometime, like we’re all going to, and feeling bad about it requires empathy or something like it so five minutes later everyone is moving on.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 6:03 am

      I’m worried about my dog.  She became very lethargic yesterday morning, just not interested in anything, including treats, although she is eating regular food.  She has no energy.

      I called my vet, and they didn’t have any appointments today, but I can drop her off at 7:30, and they’ll work her in.  I am now also worried about getting a 45 pound dog that has no energy into my car.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 6:05 am

      @satby:

      There is a lot of repetition. I assume a lot of content is geared towards younger people who haven’t seen the same styles and themes their whole lives.

      Happens in pop culture too.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 6:05 am

      @eclare:

      🙏🤞

      Reply
    9. 9.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 6:07 am

      @Baud:

      Thanks.  The scary thing is that the lethargy came on so fast.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      MagdaInBlack

      September 23, 2025 at 6:11 am

      It has just come to my attention that Charlie Kirk was born in Arlington Heights, IL. ( where I live) and raised across the street, Prospect Heights. I am not “from” here but I feel I need to sage smudge the area now.

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    11. 11.

      satby

      September 23, 2025 at 6:13 am

      @eclare: Good luck. Hope she’s ok.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      September 23, 2025 at 6:14 am

      @eclare: Hope your dog is ok but definitely sounds like something that needs to be checked out.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 23, 2025 at 6:16 am

      Since this is an open thread (and I submit this is somewhat related; i.e., pests), anyone have any ideas about convincing a young armadillo to relocate his efforts back to the woods?

      I have a very determined little bastard digging up my front yard and, short of shooting it (something I’m sure Gulfport PD would frown upon), I’m at a bit of a loss.  Repellents don’t seem to work and anyone whose ever tried will tell  you they’re damn near impossible to trap.

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    14. 14.

      Suzanne

      September 23, 2025 at 6:16 am

      like, six months from now, some trump voter in rural south dakota is going to ask what the fuck charlie kirk has to do with my hospital shutting down

      Assumes facts not in evidence.
      Most people who have enough connective tissue in their brains to link the local hospital to whomever they cast their vote for…. didn’t vote for the FFOTUS.

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    15. 15.

      Suzanne

      September 23, 2025 at 6:17 am

      @eclare: Oooooh, good luck to you and doggo. Hugs.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 6:30 am

      Fuck.  It’s sprinkling.  If it is raining at all we can’t go because I would literally have to pick her up and carry her to my car.  And I don’t have the strength for that.

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    17. 17.

      ExPatExDem

      September 23, 2025 at 6:31 am

      The only thing missing from the “memorial service” was having a blond teen take the stage and lead the crowd in singing “Tomorrow Belongs to Me”.

      Really would have tied it all together.

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    18. 18.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 23, 2025 at 6:32 am

      @eclare: Good luck to you and your dog, right down to the quantum level. 🙏🏾

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Jeffro

      September 23, 2025 at 6:40 am

      the obvious follow-up to Leavitt: “But…isn’t he supposed to be the president of all Americans?”

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    20. 20.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 6:43 am

      @Jeffro:

      No. He’s not a Democrat.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      NotMax

      September 23, 2025 at 6:47 am

      @Jeffro

      LEAVITT: “Comedy gold, Jerry.”

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    22. 22.

      gene108

      September 23, 2025 at 6:51 am

      I hope all the conservative Christians get raptured today. What a wonderful world we can build without them in it.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Ohio Mom

      September 23, 2025 at 6:54 am

      I thought the Rapture required all Jews to return to Israel? Only a smidgen less than half of us live there, the rest of us are scattered all over the world.

      I know, silly to expect consistency from that bunch.

      @eclare: Check a weather site with radar. There may be a break in the weather about to start that you can time your walk to the car around. Good luck, keep us posted.

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    24. 24.

      Deputinize America

      September 23, 2025 at 6:56 am

      @Nukular Biskits:

      Did you try castor oil? That cleared my yard of moles.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      Deputinize America

      September 23, 2025 at 6:57 am

      @eclare:

      How old is she?

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    26. 26.

      They Call Me Noni

      September 23, 2025 at 6:57 am

      @eclare: I hope it’s nothing serious.  Good luck.

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    27. 27.

      Barbara

      September 23, 2025 at 7:05 am

      @eclare: ​Good luck. I hope it’s minor.

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    28. 28.

      Ocotillo

      September 23, 2025 at 7:05 am

      @Nukular Biskits:  It may be he/she is looking for grubs.  I had one digging up the back yard and put down some grub killer and they literally stopped the next day.

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    29. 29.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      September 23, 2025 at 7:11 am

      @eclare: Hope the vet finds what’s going on and can help

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    30. 30.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 7:15 am

      @Deputinize America:

      Around five.

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    31. 31.

      Geminid

      September 23, 2025 at 7:15 am

      Appointment Television?

      Today at 9:50am,  Trump is scheduled to take the podium at the U.N. to deliver a speech to the General Assembly. This morning’s Politico Playbook previews it.

      The Mango Metternich will have a more important meeting at the U.N. this afternoon, where he will present a U.S. plan to end the Gaza War and for subsequent reconstruction to the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE, Turkiye, Pakistan and Indonesia. Axios’s Barak Ravid has an article on this that I excerpted towards the end of the Late Night “GWAR” post.

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    32. 32.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 7:17 am

      @Geminid:

      Yes to GWAR.

      No to Gaza War.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 7:17 am

      @Tony Jay: Well, there’s another thing we’re already starting to see. I saw our YouTube friend Sarah Taber talking about it the other day, and also an ex-conservative US expat on Mastodon going on about it with some eloquence, and I think they have it:

      When people who are deep in the natural MAGA core realize that Trumpism isn’t working out for them, they don’t respond like we do. Their instinct is not to vote Democratic or shake a cardboard sign around or donate to ActBlue. Yes, some of them just rage in an undirected way.

      But a lot of them have guns and some training in shooting them. They get into conspiracy thinking that can get floridly bizarre. And they’ve been taught that a man uses violence to solve problems.

      Of course, when they lash out and shoot somebody, “the left” and liberals and academics and anyone who criticizes Donald Trump gets the blame. But you look into it, and these people usually do not come from liberal backgrounds. They’re people who’d be Trump fans except that reality bit them somehow.

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    34. 34.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 7:25 am

      Shameless plug that’s relevant-y: my cousinette has a book out Today about her time living and working in Antarctica. It’s a love story. Hint: she’s an artist writing some stuff about science, and the book is excellent.

      Outerspace Is Closer Than Antarctica.

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    35. 35.

      BretH

      September 23, 2025 at 7:27 am

      @eclare: Our last Golden had a similar episode and it turned out to be Lyme. One morning just lethargic suddenly. But countering that our current one was acting in a similar way and we never did find out what that was although she was fine a few days later.

      Yeah, not much help, sorry.  Hoping your recovers quickly!

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    36. 36.

      rikyrah

      September 23, 2025 at 7:28 am

      Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊

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    37. 37.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 7:28 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 7:29 am

      @Ramalama:

      Cool. Congrats to her.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      rikyrah

      September 23, 2025 at 7:29 am

      @Ramalama:

      Thank you

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 7:29 am

      @eclare: when our 125 pound boy was still alive, Malamute with David Bowie eyes, and had a torn acl, we used a towel underneath his belly to help transport him down the stairs and into the car. Took two of us. Maybe putting a towel underneath your dog will help you move her, or alert her to start moving on her own.

      Hoping for the best!

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    41. 41.

      rikyrah

      September 23, 2025 at 7:31 am

      The Vice President is absolutely correct about the lack of courage by “The Masters of the Universe”😒

      Reply
    42. 42.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 7:33 am

      @Ramalama:

      Sounds interesting!

      Reply
    43. 43.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 7:34 am

      @Ramalama:

      Thanks for reminding me.  I did that for my 80 pound pit mix years ago when he tore his.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 7:36 am

      @rikyrah: I’d love nothing more than people start referring to these poisonous chuckleheads as The Misters of the Universe.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 23, 2025 at 7:37 am

      @Baud: ​

      Not a lie for once. They love him because he hates us.

      And for a very expansive definition of ‘us’ too. Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, gay, trans, and other Americans of non-standard gender identity, white liberals, women of any political stripe who insist on the right to control their own lives…the list goes on.

      Now any given MAGAt may only hate some of those people, but the important thing from their POV is, whoever they hate, Trump almost certainly shares their hate.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      September 23, 2025 at 7:39 am

      @Nukular Biskits:

      What Ocotillo said at #28.

      They finally made it north enough when we were back in Central Misery over the last couple of years.  I could never trap the bastards.  One night almost got one but then chased it all over the place till it holed up underneath our deck out back.

      Since they’re nocturnal, even trying to shoot them is tough.

      And don’t touch em as many carry leprosy.

      Apply grub treatment and hope for the best.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 7:39 am

      @Ramalama:

      Or the Bastards of the Universe.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Librettist

      September 23, 2025 at 7:42 am

      Generally this beat ends with a tearful contrition in front of the congregation, or  someone jumping out of the ring and laying the heel out with a chair.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 7:44 am

      @Librettist:

      someone jumping out of the ring and laying the heel out with a chair.

       

      They are planning a UFC cage fight at the White House for next July 4.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 7:47 am

      @lowtechcyclist:

      Now any given MAGAt may only hate some of those people,

      But where it gets complicated is that when the list gets long enough, some of them start to realize that they ARE some of those people.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 7:48 am

      @Baud: yeah I like that better. It’s got their much derided -tard in it, also messes with notions of legacy.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 7:49 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      It’s right wing intersectionality. People who hate different groups of people joining together to promote a culture of hate and oppression.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 23, 2025 at 7:52 am

      @gene108: ​

      I hope all the conservative Christians get raptured today. What a wonderful world we can build without them in it.

      I’m afraid we’re going to get disappointed yet again. ;-)

      Jesus said to love one’s enemies, yet they worship an orange idol who is forthright about hating his enemies.

      There’s some weird business about ‘dispensations’ – they’re like eras or something, AFAICT – that apparently a lot of RW Christianists buy into, and apparently by this ‘dispensational’ theology, practically all of Christ’s words apply to some future ‘dispensation’ so they don’t have to pay attention to all that ‘woke’ stuff he said in the here and now. At least, that’s my general understanding, I can’t say I’ve really tried to grasp it in any detail.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 23, 2025 at 7:52 am

      @Baud:  THAT is disturbingly appropriate. “Right wing intersectionality” exists so they can join together in attacking all those they hate.

      Intersectionality for the rest of us is just banding together for the common defense.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 7:55 am

      Well I can’t get my dog into my car.  I’m going to call my vet and try to get an appt for tomorrow and then text my neighbor to see if he’ll help me.  I just don’t feel comfortable texting him before 7 asking him to come over now.

      She did eat breakfast, plain grilled chicken.  She seems to like that, and it’s bland.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 7:56 am

      @eclare:

      Eating is good.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 7:56 am

      @Baud: wondering foolishly now about those people who love the sinner but hate the sin.

      Is there an intersection for them or are they in, as certain anglophones say in French, a tru de cul ? A Dead end, but also a term for arsehole.

      Pronounced by me only sometimes as a Trudy Cool.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Mr. Mack

      September 23, 2025 at 7:58 am

      @Deputinize America: What is this sorcery you speak of?  Castor oil???!!! How did you apply it.  Also, I have an armadillo that continuously digs around in my flower garden but doesn’t bother the plants, so I leave him be.  But the moles have to go.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 8:01 am

      @Ramalama:

      As far as I can tell, hating the sin always takes precedence over loving the sinner.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      mappy!

      September 23, 2025 at 8:03 am

      @lowtechcyclist: An odd thing about the “us” in the 60’s was that all the hate and ridicule piled on us, turned into mullet heads in the 70s. The perennial problem would seem to be that they want to look like us and really want to be us. ; – ) (Corporate America figured this out and cashed in…)

      Reply
    61. 61.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 8:06 am

      My neighbor said he’d help me get Lucy in the car tomorrow.  Whew.

      He is a dog person too, with a dog named Boo.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 8:07 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Yes, they believe that God alters the fundamental laws of morality every so often, and that the love-thy-neighbor stuff is really about the Millennial Kingdom, which will come a couple of steps further along the process, after Jesus returns as a laser-eyed conqueror and annihilates all of his enemies with glorious and gory mass violence, like some cosmic Emperor Dalek.

      There are different factions that put the episodes in different orders depending on what version of this 19th-century pseudobiblical crackpottery they follow, but for the popular “pre-Trib, pre-Millennial” version, the Rapture is followed by the Tribulation in which the Antichrist rises to power and rules over the preterite heathen as a false Messiah, followed by the return of violent kaiju Christ and the Battle of Armageddon, then Christ rules over a weirdly transformed Earth as a benevolent totalitarian dictator for a thousand years, then Satan returns and gets defeated one last time and I guess everything is terrific after that.

      None of this is remotely in the Bible but they paste together and reinterpret various passages from different books into a kind of fanfic exegesis to justify it; it’s a free riff on Revelation and Isaiah and Daniel and a bunch of other stuff.

      Those “Left Behind” books that were big some years ago were basically a turgid epic set in this fictional universe.

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    63. 63.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 23, 2025 at 8:07 am

      @eclare:

      Hope your dog gets better.  Any friends you can call to help get her to the car and the vet?

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 8:12 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      More sequels than the Fast and the Furious.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      Soprano2

      September 23, 2025 at 8:12 am

      @lowtechcyclist: I’ve been saying it since 2015, he hates the same people they hate and gives them permission to hate them openly. That’s why they love him so much.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 8:16 am

      @eclare: Good luck with your dog!

      Reply
    67. 67.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 8:16 am

      OT is any juicer going to do this year’s Inktober? Last year I did about half the prompts and I was in India most of October.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      Betty Cracker

      September 23, 2025 at 8:20 am

      @eclare: I hope she’s okay! It’s such a helpless feeling when pets are ill. Eating is a great sign!

      Reply
    69. 69.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 8:21 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Oh you forgot xenophobia, that’s what launched him into the RW stratosphere. And he has delivered on that promise.

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    70. 70.

      trnc

      September 23, 2025 at 8:23 am

      @Baud: LEAVITT: Look, the president is authentically himself. I think that’s why millions of Americans across the country love him.

      I don’t suppose any reporter followed up with “Wasn’t Jimmy Kimmel authentically being himself?”

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Spanky

      September 23, 2025 at 8:24 am

      I’m all for these turds to self-rapture, if they’re so damn holy.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      jonas

      September 23, 2025 at 8:25 am

      @Matt McIrvin: depending on what version of this 19th-century pseudobiblical crackpottery they follow,

      Indeed. You can ensure anyone you know worried about this Rapture business that it was all made up by a 19th century lay theologian who had no idea what he was talking about.

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    73. 73.

      Booger

      September 23, 2025 at 8:25 am

      @Matt McIrvin: Kaiju Christ implies the existence of Jaeger Christ, kinda like that thing in Rio De Janeiro or wherever, but with two neurolinked pilots. I’d be down with that!

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    74. 74.

      trnc

      September 23, 2025 at 8:28 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: ​
        Especially since he explicitly stated that dying that way is totally worth it for the 2nd amendment (notwithstanding the twisted view of it from that side).

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    75. 75.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 8:29 am

      @Baud: The most important thing is that if you’re a good evangelical, you get bodily Raptured without having to go through the unpleasant process of dying, and you can watch and enjoy all this suffering safely from Heaven until you come back in your upgraded immortal body to live in the Millennial Kingdom.

      As to why it has to happen in this complicated way, well, nobody knows but it is written. In the exegetical notes of your Scofield Reference Bible.

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    76. 76.

      Soprano2

      September 23, 2025 at 8:29 am

      @lowtechcyclist: It’s a way for them to justify behaving the way they want to behave despite what’s in the book they say is a holy guide to life. Many of them don’t want to love their neighbor unless their neighbor is like them. It’s bullshit, I’ve never heard of God “changing morality” from time to time. I remember when right-wing Christians frowned on what they called “situational morality”, and what most people call “consider the circumstances”.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 8:31 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      It does make it seem like God’s true name is Rube Goldberg.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      narya

      September 23, 2025 at 8:32 am

      @Matt McIrvin: And Fred Clark (Slacktivist) did a very lengthy deconstruction of the books at one point a long time ago. I didn’t read all of it, but it was fascinating; Clark is from that world so understood WTF they were doing. It’s pretty much necessary to get an insider (or, better, ex-insider) to explain it all, and even then it sounds completely off the rails. Honestly, all of this stuff sounds to me like a permission structure to hate and exploit others, which, as far as I can tell, is pretty much the opposite of the Christian message.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Librettist

      September 23, 2025 at 8:33 am

      @trnc:

      The kooks are already wandering off into “magic bullets” and instant ballistic expertise.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Eric S.

      September 23, 2025 at 8:34 am

      @Baud: With less plausibility

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 8:35 am

      @narya:

      which, as far as I can tell, is pretty much the opposite of the Christian message.

       
      I think, as with the USA, what Christianity stands for depends on who you ask.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      trnc

      September 23, 2025 at 8:37 am

      @Ohio Mom: ​
       

      I thought the Rapture required all Jews to return to Israel? Only a smidgen less than half of us live there, the rest of us are scattered all over the world.

      Wow. A quorum requirement seems like a major loophole. If only God had mentioned in his musings that there were some big ass land masses pretty far away from Jerusalem that people might eventually move to.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 8:43 am

      @Soprano2: well, YOU don’t get to make new “dispensations” happen, GOD does it so it’s OK then.

      The thing that really strikes me about all of it is that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of difference between the good guys and the bad guys aside from team affiliation. God’s team is the more powerful one in the end and that’s the most important thing.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      narya

      September 23, 2025 at 8:44 am

      @Baud: True. That’s what was so helpful and interesting about Clark’s explanations: the authors say THIS because they believe THAT.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 8:44 am

      @Baud: Anyone who proudly displays their religion in their bio, saying  proud xxxx is usually a pompous obnoxious ass.

      xxxx : can be any religion

      They use their over religiosity as a stick to beat others with.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 8:46 am

      @trnc:

      If only God had mentioned in his musings that there were some big ass land masses pretty far away from Jerusalem that people might eventually move to.

      Joseph Smith has entered the chat

       

      (The Mormons, now, they don’t go for any of this stuff, that’s a whole other ball of wax.)

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Josie

      September 23, 2025 at 8:46 am

      @Baud: ​
       Nominated!

      Reply
    88. 88.

      WendyBinFL

      September 23, 2025 at 8:46 am

      @Ramalama: Just bought an e-copy of your cousin Michelle Ott’s book! Woohoo!

      Reply
    89. 89.

      RedDirtGirl

      September 23, 2025 at 8:48 am

      @eclare: Sorry to hear that. Hope she’s okay!!!

      Reply
    90. 90.

      BC in Illinois

      September 23, 2025 at 8:50 am

      Most of world Christianity doesn’t buy into the “Rapture” theories.

      Even those that do, try to remember that we are told not to put our faith in fortune tellers.

      Back in the 1980s-90s, I worked in a church-related publishing company, when a rumor of the rapture came through. We were not caught up in it.

      We did, however, figure that if it did happen and all of the true Christians were taken out of the world, we would lose almost all of our customers, most of our authors, and a lot of the editorial department.

      But we would still have the marketing department.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Sandia Blanca

      September 23, 2025 at 8:51 am

      @eclare:  “Me and you and a dog named Boo”? It’s good to have helpful neighbors. Also, is there a mobile vet in your community? I hope she feels better soon.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      They Call Me Noni

      September 23, 2025 at 8:51 am

      @eclare: That she did eat something is a good sign.  Maybe it’s just an upset tummy.  Has she used the bathroom?  How did it look?

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Kirk

      September 23, 2025 at 8:51 am

      @trnc: there is a splinter that says only “True Jews” count. I am not going down that rabbit hole any more but i bet you can guess some of the major threads. Except to note that it justifies antisemitism by claiming it’s not really antisemitism since they’re not really jews.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      narya

      September 23, 2025 at 8:52 am

      @Matt McIrvin: There’s a SF/F series I was reading, written by a Mormon (not Sanderson), and . . . two of the main characters are reading/translating texts from metal tablets that only one of them can read. And a vampire, IIRC. I finally gave up on it.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 23, 2025 at 8:53 am

      @eclare: Eating is always a good sign. Bonne chance.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      zhena gogolia

      September 23, 2025 at 8:54 am

      @eclare: Good luck!

      Reply
    97. 97.

      Iron City

      September 23, 2025 at 8:54 am

      @Baud:

      “It does make it seem like God’s true name is Rube Goldberg.”   Or Heath Robinson, depending.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Belafon

      September 23, 2025 at 8:55 am

      @Ohio Mom:

      I thought the Rapture required all Jews to return to Israel? Only a smidgen less than half of us live there, the rest of us are scattered all over the world.

       

      Who gets to define who is Jewish?

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 23, 2025 at 8:55 am

      @mappy!: The perennial problem would seem to be that they want to look like us and really want to be us.

      They hate us ‘cause they ain’t us.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      prostratedragon

      September 23, 2025 at 8:56 am

      A thread on the New Year

      Reply
    101. 101.

      JeanneT

      September 23, 2025 at 8:57 am

      @comrade scotts agenda of rage:  I’ve been reading about armadillos with my grandkid – turns out 9 banded armadillos can GET leprosy, but it is not carried by many of the critters.  According to an undated article from the University of Florida:  “Leprosy in wild armadillos has been reported at rates ranging from 0.5% to 10% in Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, and Mexico. However, no infections have been found in the more than 2,500 armadillos examined in Florida.”

      The armadillos initially caught leprosy from Europeans moving into the Americas.

      We also learned that only the 3 banded armadillos (from South America) can roll up into a ball.

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    102. 102.

      Baud

      September 23, 2025 at 8:57 am

      Fear and hopelessness’: one in four professors in the US south are leaving

      Survey by American Association of Professors shows nearly quarter of respondents are switching due to states’s politics

      Slightly sensationalized headline but interesting survey.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 9:00 am

      @WendyBinFL: hooooooooooo ya. Hope you enjoy!

      Cousinette also makes postcards, part of her artwork is this notion and thing called the Postcard Machine, it’s a Patreon deal but she also has a huge cardboard box also called the postcard machine. Thinking of tying this in, her work, with Jackals postcard campaigns…..maybe later.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 9:00 am

      @narya: The original, 1970s “Battlestar Galactica” cribbed a bunch of its lore from Mormon theology and lore and put a science-fiction gloss on it. Commander Adama was basically space Brigham Young. There was an epic two-parter where they get into eternal progression and Patrick Macnee basically plays the Devil.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 9:00 am

      @Baud: Well if the 100,000 per H1-B application decision stays, it will affect rural hospitals and universities the hardest. Its like eating your seed corn to satisfy your xenophobic hatred.

      Tech will be the least affected. They can off shore many of their positions. To Vancouver or other Canadian cities if proximity to the US is essential or anywhere in the world if it is not.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @They Call Me Noni:

      I haven’t seen any diarrhea or vomiting.  An upset tummy was my neighbor’s guess too.  So nothing but plain grilled chicken today.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Raoul Paste

      September 23, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @schrodingers_cat:  As a corollary , if a vendor overtly advertises their religion, hold onto your wallet.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 9:04 am

      @Raoul Paste: You got that right. That’s the true mark of a grifting charlatan.

      Reply
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      hueyplong

      September 23, 2025 at 9:04 am

      @Baud: I’m afraid I have to nominate, too.

      Reply
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      Deputinize America

      September 23, 2025 at 9:04 am

      Apropos for our slide into an American evangelical megachurch theocracy:

      youtube.com/watch?v=XZegqJtrtjc

      HYMN 43
      Jethro Tull

      Our Father high in heaven
      Smile down upon your son
      Who’s busy with his money games
      Or his women and his gun
      Oh, Jesus save me
      And the unsung western hero
      He killed an Indian or three
      And then he made his name in Hollywood
      To set the white man free
      Oh, Jesus save me
      If Jesus saves, well, he better save himself
      From the gory glory seekers who use his name in death, aw!
      Oh, Jesus save me
      If Jesus saves, well, he better save himself
      From the gory glory seekers who use his name in death
      Oh, Jesus save me
      Well, I saw him in the city
      And on the mountains of the moon, hey
      His cross was rather bloody, oh
      And he could hardly roll his stone
      Oh, Jesus save me

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    111. 111.

      Soprano2

      September 23, 2025 at 9:06 am

      @schrodingers_cat: My husband always said he grabbed his wallet any time one of his customers starting talking about their religion and displaying it overtly, because he knew they probably wanted a discount or something like that. He didn’t trust them at all, with good reason.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 9:06 am

      @schrodingers_cat:

      Memphis is not a rural area, but when my parents were in the hospital, probably half of the orderlies, doctors, nurses, etc were from overseas.

      One of my doctors is from Syria.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 23, 2025 at 9:07 am

      @JeanneT:   We also learned that only the 3 banded armadillos (from South America) can roll up into a ball.

      There are 11 banded armadillos and 3 banded armadillos and some of them can roll up into a ball and I knew NONE of this— TRULY a full service blog!

      Reply
    114. 114.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @eclare: Rural areas and cities, especially inner cities too. Most US born doctors don’t like to practice there, it is definitely not their first preference.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Steve in the ATL

      September 23, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @eclare: you could take her up to the Perkins on Poplar near Highland–their food is plenty bland!

      Reply
    116. 116.

      Jeffro

      September 23, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @trnc:I don’t suppose any reporter followed up with “Wasn’t Jimmy Kimmel authentically being himself?”

      Leavitt: “maybe…but look at his ratings!  It’s all about the ratings, dontcha know.  And the president’s are the bestest ever!”

      Reply
    117. 117.

      Soprano2

      September 23, 2025 at 9:09 am

      @schrodingers_cat: I was surprised they would do this because of tech, but maybe the tech people want this; it’s an excuse to offshore a lot of jobs. It seems crazy to me, and especially the way it was “rolled out” was chaotic. This whole government is crazy chaotic. Chaotic evil, is what they are.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Steve in the ATL

      September 23, 2025 at 9:10 am

      @schrodingers_cat: ​ US born doctors want better golf courses than rural areas can provide

      Reply
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      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 9:10 am

      @Ramalama:

      I just ordered the hardback, looks fascinating.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 9:11 am

      @Soprano2: I doubt it. It has Bannon’s and Miller’s pawprints all over it. They particularly hate that many tech CEOS are Indian born naturalized citizens.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      eclare

      September 23, 2025 at 9:11 am

      @Steve in the ATL:

      Hahaha…

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Jeffro

      September 23, 2025 at 9:11 am

      @Baud:Survey by American Association of Professors shows nearly quarter of respondents are switching due to states’s politics

      It shouldn’t take but a few more years for this to show up w/ K-12 educators, doctors, nurses, etc.  Great Migration II: The Outta MAGA-land Boogaloo.  Then we really will be two separate countries.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Deputinize America

      September 23, 2025 at 9:12 am

      @Soprano2:

      Never trust the business that prominently displays the fish symbol.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 9:12 am

      @Steve in the ATL: Maybe. I don’t know too many of them. One US born MD I knew wanted to be in Galveston because he wanted to work for NASA which he did for many years before going into private practice.

      Also many rural hospitals are in danger of shutting down because they lack doctors and other medical staff. Speak of cutting your nose to spite your face.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      Belafon

      September 23, 2025 at 9:12 am

      @Soprano2: Tech offshored a bunch of jobs, and then found out it’s quite expensive to do that and keep the business in the US, so they moved a bunch of their overseas employees here. So they may decide it’s better to move out of the US.

      Reply
    126. 126.

      Deputinize America

      September 23, 2025 at 9:14 am

      @Steve in the ATL:

      They also like airports with only one flight to a hub, decent grocery shopping, car dealerships that can service new cars and a couple of decent restaurants.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 9:14 am

      All this talk of religion and here I am on a haphazard vacation in Gaspe, Quebec. Where am I sitting right now? On a bed in a convent. There’s one remaining nun living on her own floor here. She’s in her nineties and does stained glass. The rest of the convent has about 3  visitors about 6 mishap adults, who run the place or live here?

      rock star wannabes who are in their 60s, and yes they are lay persons.

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    128. 128.

      hueyplong

      September 23, 2025 at 9:14 am

      I’ve worked on more than one fraud case in which the victims were preyed upon by a member of their church and they were hooked by their perception that the perp was “a good Christian.”  It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.  I tended to want to tip my cap to the fraudster for recognizing the easiest marks.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 23, 2025 at 9:15 am

      There are some bad players, in the h1-B space especially in the tech sector but it does not warrant an evisceration of the program.

      Its like cutting off your leg because you twisted your ankle.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      Betty Cracker

      September 23, 2025 at 9:17 am

      Speaking of armadillos, here’s one I saw on my way to a swimming hole a while back. Armadillo walking through some leaves.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Gin & Tonic

      September 23, 2025 at 9:17 am

      @Geminid:

      Appointment Television?

      Today at 9:50am,  Trump is scheduled to take the podium at the U.N. to deliver a speech to the General Assembly.

      I think I may have to change the oil in the lawnmower. Or take out the recycling. So many important things to do.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 23, 2025 at 9:20 am

      @Baud:

      As far as I can tell, hating the sin always takes precedence over loving the sinner.

      What they call ‘loving the sinner’ must, in their minds, start with telling the sinner how they’re sinning and what they must do to be saved.

      It’s why Pratchett’s “sin is treating people as things” has become such a central part of my belief system.  Because their definition of loving the sinner is fundamentally about treating people as things.  You are one of group A, so we must tell you X, Y and Z about what you’re doing wrong and how you must repent.  No human connection, no getting to actually understand the person, the human being, they’re talking to, is needed.  They can treat you as a thing, and call that ‘love.’

      And while the words ‘sin is treating people as things’ may be found nowhere in the Bible, c’mon, how can loving your neighbor as yourself involve treating them as a thing?  Seems to me like a direct corollary.

      Reply
    133. 133.

      WaterGirl

      September 23, 2025 at 9:21 am

      @Gin & Tonic: On the bright side, if they are televising the whole speech, there can be no sane-washing.

      Will he be lucid?

      Maybe.  I think they save the special drug combination for when he really can’t look crazy.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      sab

      September 23, 2025 at 9:21 am

      @Betty Cracker: That lirttle guy is so mich cuter than my neighborhood possum.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      Jackie

      September 23, 2025 at 9:23 am

      @eclare: Fingers crossed! Her eating normally is a positive sign!

      Is she peeing and pooping normally?

      Reply
    136. 136.

      Ohio Mom

      September 23, 2025 at 9:31 am

      @Belafon: Even Jews can’t agree on who is Jewish!

      But even if you are only counting Haredi (the super duper ultra orthodox), lots of them live in the Disapora (Crown Heights, Brooklyn, Monsy, a little town just north of NYC and south of the Catskills, etc.). Now they are all very committed to Israel, visit as often as they can and have family there. But they still live here, not Israel.

      I’ve long maintained that Judaism will one day split, like Christianity did during the Protestant Reformation. I didn’t ever expect to live to see the day but I don’t know, we may be on our way.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      Ohio Mom

      September 23, 2025 at 9:32 am

      @prostratedragon: That was lovely, and inspiring.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      Queen of Lurkers

      September 23, 2025 at 9:34 am

      @Baud: I don’t think the headline sensationalized. I am in the trenches. Many mid-level professors are jumping ship at our university. The Associate Prof. layer is hollowed out. I have had multiple conversations with colleagues who are hanging on because they are close to retirement (3-5 years).

      Reply
    139. 139.

      They Call Me Noni

      September 23, 2025 at 9:35 am

      @eclare: Poor baby.  Let us know what the vet says.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      WaterGirl

      September 23, 2025 at 9:38 am

      @Queen of Lurkers: Yeah, unless they are close to retirement, or very close to getting tenure, who wouldn’t bail?

      Even those on tenure track, close to getting it, get your tenure and then get the hell out!

      Reply
    141. 141.

      RevRick

      September 23, 2025 at 9:41 am

      @gene108: Sorry, no Rapture today…or ever. It’s a fundamental misreading and misunderstanding of the passage in 1 Thessalonians. Paul’s contemporaries would have gotten the allusion. When Christ returns, he won’t suck the “good” people off the planet and leave the rest behind. No, he’ll “come down” and join us.

      Reply
    142. 142.

      Another Scott

      September 23, 2025 at 9:42 am

      @Deputinize America: A morning with Jethro Tull is almost always a good morning.

      Thanks.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    143. 143.

      They Call Me Noni

      September 23, 2025 at 9:44 am

      @RevRick: Well won’t he be in for a shocker because if he comes to Murika he’ll promptly be disappeared somewhere.

      Reply
    144. 144.

      Deputinize America

      September 23, 2025 at 9:50 am

      @RevRick:

      They’re just desperate to duck the MasterCard bill.

      Reply
    145. 145.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 9:58 am

      @hueyplong: Evangelicals are huge into multilevel marketing because the attitude of complete trust based on in-group identity, combined with the prosperity gospel according to which God wants the faithful to get rich and will materially reward total commitment, makes it incredibly fertile ground for MLMs to propagate. That’s one of the reasons alt-medicine woo has taken hold there: multilevel marketing of quacky supplements.

      Reply
    146. 146.

      Enhanced Voting Techniques

      September 23, 2025 at 10:02 am

      @Tony Jay: I don’t think anyone expects them to vote blue, what is more likely is they simply can’t be bothered to show up and vote because “both sides are the same”.

      Reply
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      princess leia

      September 23, 2025 at 10:08 am

      It’s Fat Bear Week~~ voting starts today! youtube.com/watch?v=chJPe9nBXzA

      Reply
    148. 148.

      UncleEbeneezer

      September 23, 2025 at 10:08 am

      @trnc: Or Barrack Obama when he said Trayvon Martin could’ve been his son?  Or Hillary when she said Deplorables were only a small fraction of Republicans?

      Reply
    149. 149.

      UncleEbeneezer

      September 23, 2025 at 10:11 am

      @Belafon: Obviously that’s the job of Anti-Zionist Progressives (while they are determining which individuals we should boycott, discriminate against, scapegoat and alienate).

      Reply
    150. 150.

      arrieve

      September 23, 2025 at 10:17 am

      @Geminid: Thanks for the heads up–I knew the UN was in session but didn’t realize the orange idiot would be here. Traffic is going to be a nightmare and I have to be on the Upper East Side later this afternoon.

      I think I’ll take a bus up the west side and walk across the park.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 23, 2025 at 10:26 am

      @BC in Illinois: The other modern religious-right trend that fascinates me is the ultraconservative Protestants (particularly politically powerful or prominent ones, like Newt Gingrich and Robert Bork and JD Vance!) converting to ultraconservative Catholicism.

      The Catholics, of course, don’t go in for any of this End Times stuff either, and they’ve got this inconvenient liberation-theology streak. But the right-wingers like the pageantry and authoritarian hierarchy, the rich heritage of myth and miracle and the theocratic history. They’ve got the integralists who straight-up want to replace all secular government with theocratic rule by the Church.

      And there are a few of them who decided that wasn’t hardcore enough and became ultraconservative Eastern Orthodox because they think they do it even harder. I had an online friend who became a priest in one of these fringey ultraconservative Orthodox splinter churches and he got very, very weird. Started going on and on about how we’d lost the virtue of total obedience, and all the miracles he’d personally witnessed that were only available to the Orthodox, and how the ideal form of government existed in the Byzantine Empire.

      Reply
    152. 152.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 23, 2025 at 10:36 am

      @RevRick:

      Sorry, no Rapture today…or ever. It’s a fundamental misreading and misunderstanding of the passage in 1 Thessalonians. Paul’s contemporaries would have gotten the allusion. When Christ returns, he won’t suck the “good” people off the planet and leave the rest behind. No, he’ll “come down” and join us.

      Spoilsport! ;-)

      Reply
    153. 153.

      Paul in KY

      September 23, 2025 at 10:40 am

      @Nukular Biskits: Don’t see why it couldn’t be trapped with one of those mesh trapdoor things. Just bait it with yummy bugs in bowl beyond the trip plate and (this is important) cover the trap up (except for opening) with a towel or blanket to make it dark and inviting. May catch other things also. Too. Can be the drawback with using those.

      Reply
    154. 154.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 23, 2025 at 10:41 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      The Catholics, of course, don’t go in for any of this End Times stuff either, and they’ve got this inconvenient liberation-theology streak. But the right-wingers like the pageantry and authoritarian hierarchy, the rich heritage of myth and miracle and the theocratic history. They’ve got the integralists who straight-up want to replace all secular government with theocratic rule by the Church.

      And of course, the number of women in the Roman Catholic hierarchy has been, is, and will for the foreseeable future, continue to be ZERO.  That the Church has always been and apparently always will be run completely by men is probably a big selling point for these dorks.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      Citizen Alan

      September 23, 2025 at 10:48 am

      @Baud: And the feeling is mutual.

      Reply
    156. 156.

      Paul in KY

      September 23, 2025 at 10:54 am

      @Belafon: Rapture them all. The Lord will know his own…

      Reply
    157. 157.

      Kristine

      September 23, 2025 at 11:04 am

      @eclare: best wishes for your pup.

      Reply
    158. 158.

      MisterForkbeard

      September 23, 2025 at 1:05 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: This seems like Tyler Robinson? Raised heavily conservative, immersed in online meme culture. Had some issues, but the problem with Charlie Kirk may be specifically because he was involved with a transwoman, and NOW the right wing has finally started to impact his life negatively.

      Reply
    159. 159.

      Glidwrith

      September 23, 2025 at 2:29 pm

      @They Call Me Noni: And then we’ll get the whole “Nazis shouldn’t have opened the Ark” scene from Indiana Jones.

      Reply
    160. 160.

      Ramalama

      September 23, 2025 at 3:51 pm

      @eclare: thank you

      Reply
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      Gloria DryGarden

      September 23, 2025 at 6:27 pm

      @MagdaInBlack: gods. I was probably in school with whoever became his mom. Arlington heights. Jeez.

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