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Friday Night Open Thread

by John Cole|  September 26, 20259:42 pm| 70 Comments

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Just another crazy busy day- had to do a bunch of runs to the big city, made twenty lbs of meatballs and 4 gallons of sauce, then had a fraternity get together for two hours, and I am exhausted and Joelle’s bad knee hurts and is making her cranky. Before I get fifty questions, the meatball recipe (at least for today- it varies depending on what I can get access to and how much I am making):

10 lbs ground sirloin from the general store and I have him run it through twice so it is really fine.
5 lbs Frederico’s link hot italian sausage
5 lbs Frederico’s link sweet italian sausage
cut up a load of basil from the garden
same with flat leaf parsely
head of garlic
crushed red pepper
couple of eggs
couple cups of italian bread crumbs
bunch of italian seasoning
salt
pepper

You gotta just eyeball the bread crumbs after the first cups. I cook em on a rack at 425 until they have a good consistency and then put them on the sauce to simmer overnight.

The sauce was
two gallons of plum tomatoes
two gallons of whatever Frederico’s brand is sauce

Nothing serious with the sauce this time, just a tin of anchovies and a couple of diced onions cooked to a nice golden brown, salt, pepper, red pepper flakes, handful of basil, bring it to medium and stir it for a bit, then used my wand processor to break down some of the plum tomatoes, and then, like chili, just let it go for a while.

Gonna shred up some fresh mozz and have some italian rolls from fredericos, as well as some thin sliced smoked provolone.

Sorry I can not get more specific with the instructions but I mean y’all have taste buds just do the basics and taste a lot. This is also why I am one of the world’s worst fucking bakers on the planet I can fuck up canned croissants. Joelle, on the other hand, is a very good baker, because she actually takes time and does shit like measuring and I mean let’s be real who has the time for that and dirty all those spoons and measuring cups fuck that. Likewise, I get a touch fearful when she is around knives and open flame and in fact I think one of the first things I bought for her was a fire blanket for the house.

It was a lovely little fraternity event- 100 years of Alpha Sigma Phi, Beta Gamma chapter. Had a big bunch of alums return, including some I had not seen in years, and the best part was all the current brothers came down and mingled. It’s so funny seeing them all together, because when I was a brother there was only one black member of the fraternity- Joe Johnson, the guy who married me yesterday). Now, like 3/4 of the house is African American, and they are all cool as fuck. And they are so close because so many of them are athletes on teams, and they all are super supportive of each other and it honestly makes me so proud. Just a great group of kids.

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I’m, of course, not in the picture because I somehow always miss them by accident and by choice if I know about it.

A while back on of the guys my age got a bunch of alum together and we started a scholarship fund and an endowment (ours just never had one while other houses on campus have multiple million dollar ones), but they slowly have built ours up to 80k and we were able to give out three $750.00 awards to several kids who all had great grades and wanted to pledge but couldn’t afford it. So it was all super cool and the young ones were just so supportive and really just got along like they had been together forever. They have their own sayings and shout them out to show support (they told all us older guys they yell “JUICE” because it means to give something “your passion and your flavor, and your all,” and it was super cool. Although I will say that my first thought was “Well, fuck I am old because of course they have no fucking idea who OJ Simpson is…” And if another one of those motherfuckers calls me sir again- god damnit you see me all the time you know my name I’m not some visiting alum you hauled brush for me and I made you dinner.

Tomorrow is another busy day- all the events and the football game and hauling shit for the tailgate and on and on. Maxwell is being a complete dick because he is not getting enough attention and it always feels like he low-key believes he is in a competition with Joelle. Also, some people gave us gifts anyway (we were like no gifts we don’t need more shit if you absolutely have to give money we can use that but don’t make me haul a bunch of fucking wine glasses cross country), so we have to open those tomorrow. We did get one awesome gift card to a place in La Jolla, CA, where we are going for five days over Thanksgiving (her friend has some sort of time share thing at some famous place on the beach). The restaurant is called George’s at the Cove, and it looks kinda cool. Fancy as fuck and when our friend Mary was showing us where it was I looked at it and said “oh that’s a rich people place,” so I am super stoked about that.

At any rate, I am tired and will check in tomorrow.

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    1. 1.

      SpaceUnit

      September 26, 2025 at 9:47 pm

      Don’t think I’ll ever need to make twenty pounds of meatballs and four gallons of sauce.  Your recipe sounds awesome but will certainly require some math on my part.

      And if anyone is bored the Florida State / Virginia game is fire.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      different-church-lady

      September 26, 2025 at 9:55 pm

      Is it the first anniversary that’s the meat anniversary?

      Reply
    3. 3.

      aimai

      September 26, 2025 at 9:55 pm

      You really know how to live, John Cole! I salute you and your honeymoon style.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      suzanne

      September 26, 2025 at 9:58 pm

      The way you describe the fraternity sounds so positive and uplifting. I went to Large Nonselective Party State U, so the Greek life was very gross….. simultaneously snobby and binge-drink-y, so I stayed far away from it. I’m glad it’s a better experience for others!

      Reply
    5. 5.

      suzanne

      September 26, 2025 at 9:59 pm

      @different-church-lady: The fifth anniversary is wood.

      Ask me how I know.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      different-church-lady

      September 26, 2025 at 10:05 pm

      @suzanne: HOW… DO… YOU… KNOW?

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Kristine

      September 26, 2025 at 10:09 pm

      Those meatballs sound really good. But yeah would definitely need to scale down down down.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      stinger

      September 26, 2025 at 10:17 pm

      I sometimes shout out, “Juice!” but it references — obviously — Balloon Juice.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      TaMara

      September 26, 2025 at 10:18 pm

      Way back in the day, when we did recipe exchange here on Fridays, we had a meatball night. It was pre-the website crash – so I didn’t bother to go back and find it. But here is a link to those same recipes – the meatballs are close to Cole’s, you can substitute his meat mixes he used.

      Meatballs and Sauce Recipes and Instructions

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Albatrossity

      September 26, 2025 at 10:19 pm

      George’s At The Cove is indeed excellent. Smoked Chicken Black Bean Soup is world-famous. Seriously. We asked the waiter for the recipe and he had a printed copy in his pocket… We have probably made it at home 50-100 times since then!

      Reply
    11. 11.

      princess leia

      September 26, 2025 at 10:23 pm

      @SpaceUnit: No kidding!!!!

      Reply
    12. 12.

      SpaceUnit

      September 26, 2025 at 10:28 pm

      @princess leia:

      Overtime!!

      Reply
    13. 13.

      TaMara

      September 26, 2025 at 10:29 pm

      @Albatrossity: Waves in your direction.  Black bean soup is one of my favorites – would love a copy of that if you have a chance some time.

      I have one from my honeymoon from a restaurant in Ouray – but the smoked chicken one sounds amazing.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Karen Gail

      September 26, 2025 at 10:46 pm

      John cooks like I cooked for years when was canning meals; when power goes out and all one has is wood back up then just opening jars makes everything easier. I also did the same thing because there were times when didn’t feel like cooking but could make a meal by open jars and cooking pasta.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Jackie

      September 26, 2025 at 10:51 pm

      @TaMara: Awww your photo was done by JefferyW. Didn’t bookmark that recipe at the time; rectified as of now!

      Reply
    16. 16.

      BigJimSlade

      September 26, 2025 at 10:51 pm

      Fan-fuckin-tastic! Aside from Joelle’s bad knee.

      what a huge recipe of meatballs and sauce!

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Lily

      September 26, 2025 at 10:53 pm

      @TaMara: I wanted it too. From the source:

      georgesatthecove.com/recipes-and-more/recipe-smoked-chicken-broccoli-and-black-bean-soup

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Lily

      September 26, 2025 at 10:57 pm

      @Lily:  Same recipe idea but w/ an alternative to grilling the chicken (and slight changes) was put up by someone else:

      “In the meantime, coat the chicken thoroughly with the barbecue sauce and bake on the top shelf of the oven at 400 degrees F for 10 minutes. Remove the chicken from the oven and allow it to cool just long enough to handle. Cut the chicken into small cubes.”

      And they added 1 tsp ‘liquid smoke’ to the soup.

      Their other main change was to sub skim evaporated milk for the cream added at the end.  And using all broccoli florettes (sp) inst of using the stems too.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      RaflW

      September 26, 2025 at 11:03 pm

      I made idle threats during the pandemic to do a blog called Ralf the Reckless Baker. I mean, I do measure – but in a hurry, and sifting and leveling? Pffft. If it calls for 4 cups of bread flour and 2 C of rye and I only have 1 C of rye, well, thats OK just add more white. Oh, the bag doesn’t say ‘bread flour’? It says all purpose? Oops. Bake on, my man.

      My yeast is 5 years old (refrigerated at 42º or so) and so I do throw in an extra bit of it, feed it a touch of honey and wait a bit to make sure it still foams. It still foams! (less excitedly than in 2021, sure).

      And so on.

      But the same lazy impulses that make me a reckless but still tasty baker also make me a lazy internet user, so not blog. I will very occasionally post a photo on Bsky of my occasional bakes

      eta: My one bake that isn’t reckless are spelt-potato burger buns. I follow a recipie that is published in grams, and I follow it to the single gram. Because spelt is not a flour to be toyed with! And because the recipe is still very easy. (I use white spelt for the bread flour, and whole spelt for the WW.) I haven’t tried the brioche-like variation, but now I’m thinking that’ll be a fall trial. Yum.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      pieceofpeace

      September 26, 2025 at 11:07 pm

      @Albatrossity:   Would you share?

      Cancel, already shared – thank you!

      Reply
    21. 21.

      thruppence

      September 26, 2025 at 11:10 pm

      I have a long planned D.C. vacation coming up, just in time for the government shutdown. I hope they don’t close the museums.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Karen Gail

      September 26, 2025 at 11:17 pm

      @RaflW:

      Over the years I have found that following a recipe when it comes to breads is a lost cause; the weather has a big impact on flour and yeast. But I do use recipes as guidelines and try to adjust to weather conditions and how my freshly ground flour reacts. Getting a flour mill and making flour just before mixing changes so much.

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    23. 23.

      Jackie

      September 26, 2025 at 11:23 pm

      @thruppence:

      I hope they don’t close the museums.

      Sadly, I fear you’re going to be out of luck. :-(

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Ohio Mom

      September 26, 2025 at 11:51 pm

      @thruppence: Baltimore isn’t far away from DC and has a fabulous outsider art museum and a huge aquarium that is worth its huge admission price.

      The DC area has lots of ethnic restaurants — Ohio Dad used to live in Arlington, around the corner from an Afghani place that I remember fondly, and the last time we visited, we tried a Filipino restaurant in Silver Spring.

      You’ll find things to do, you will just have to do some googling. Try “off the beaten path DC” or “unusual things to do DC.”

      Enjoy yourself, the museums will be there next time you visit.

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    25. 25.

      TaMara

      September 26, 2025 at 11:59 pm

      @Lily: Thank you!

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Carlo Graziani

      September 27, 2025 at 12:00 am

      Sounds almost like classic Italian “polpette” (“meatballs”). The only ingredient missing, ubiquitous in the Italian version, is grated parmigiano cheese. In huge amounts. Like, for the crazy 10lb recipe that you just gave (holy shit, how do you even do that many at a time, and where do you find the time to shape them all?) at least 3 lb of parmigiano.

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    27. 27.

      A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

      September 27, 2025 at 12:18 am

      @Karen Gail: I haven’t made bread in several decades, but I do remember bring bemused originally at recipes which called for 2 – 4 cups of flour, before I realized what you referenced about weather affecting the dough. I also remember how important it was to be shown what the dough should be like. A printed recipe just wasn’t enough.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      NotMax

      September 27, 2025 at 12:23 am

      10 lbs ground sirloin from the general store

      Sirloin? Ka-ching.

      That should cover the general store owner’s boat payments for the rest of the year.
      :)

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Phylllis

      September 27, 2025 at 12:27 am

      @thruppence: DC by Foot offers really great tours.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      piratedan

      September 27, 2025 at 12:41 am

      I always thought that the Mint was kind of an awesome tour too

      Reply
    31. 31.

      prostratedragon

      September 27, 2025 at 12:42 am

      Tonight the boy asked for a drum kit.

      He should play “Crossroad Blues” for the kid.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      prostratedragon

      September 27, 2025 at 1:03 am

      Trump says he’s ordering the release of all government records on Amelia Earhart.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      NotMax

      September 27, 2025 at 1:07 am

      @prostratedragon

      “Proof that women have no business being in the pilot seat.”
      //

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Interesting Name Goes Here

      September 27, 2025 at 1:13 am

      @prostratedragon: At this rate, we’re going to find out that not only do aliens exist, but we made first contact before scaring them off by electing Reagan.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      NotMax

      September 27, 2025 at 1:35 am

      @Interesting Name Goes Here

      “People deserve to learn it wasn’t polio but a botched transgender operation that put FDR into a wheelchair.”
      //

      Reply
    36. 36.

      prostratedragon

      September 27, 2025 at 1:36 am

      @NotMax:
       
      @Interesting Name Goes Here:

      Some of the comments are wonderful.
       
      She died going up an escalator.

      🤡’s post thingy begins, I have been asked by many people about the life and times of Amelia Earhart, […]

      Whereone someone said,
      I love the idea of Trump just being absolutely inundated with questions from random people about the life and times of Amelia Earhart. Ultimately he beats his fist upon his desk and cries, “Enough! The people must know!”

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Karen Gail

      September 27, 2025 at 1:55 am

      @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan):

      I was “blessed” with being taught to make bread by older women, who taught what the dough was suppose to feel like. Also learned to feed yeast so that small amount could be fed and then added to dough. No one told me at beginning of my sour dough beginning that it was best slow rested in cool area; I was finally clued in by someone in San Francisco Bay area that told me that the bread they baked was started a day earlier.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      mrmoshpotato

      September 27, 2025 at 2:37 am

      @prostratedragon:

      he’s ordering the release of all government records on Amelia Earhart. 

      Don’t care.  Tell us more about how the Epsteincalator tried to murder you, you orange idiot!

      Reply
    39. 39.

      prostratedragon

      September 27, 2025 at 2:44 am

      L-l-lor-duh! Another generation:

      Kai Trump, Donald Trump’s granddaughter, is using the White House to sell merch on social media. She posted this video to her accounts.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      mrmoshpotato

      September 27, 2025 at 3:24 am

      @prostratedragon: The entire family is trash from root to leaf.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      eclare

      September 27, 2025 at 4:01 am

      @mrmoshpotato:

      Yeah.  You’d have hoped the kids would say no, this is gross, but they have leaned in.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Baud

      September 27, 2025 at 4:16 am

      @different-church-lady:

      Is it the first anniversary that’s the meat anniversary?

       

      With the price of beef these days, it’s cheaper to get divorced.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Baud

      September 27, 2025 at 4:19 am

      @prostratedragon:

      At this rate, maybe we’ll get universal health care as a distraction from the Epstein files.

      Or thermonuclear war.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Baud

      September 27, 2025 at 5:03 am

      Clown show

      Judge who reviewed James Comey’s indictment was confused by prosecutor’s handling of case, transcript shows

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Geminid

      September 27, 2025 at 5:10 am

      Things are looking up in Iraqi Kurdistan. From Mintel News, reposted by Levent Kemal.:

           Turkish Energy Minister Alparslan Bayraktar announced that crude oil flow has resumed this morning through the Iraq/Turkey pipeline, which had been shut down since February 2023.

      The shutdown cost the Kurdish Regional Government and Iraq’s central an estimated $16 bilion in badly needed revenues. Now the KRG will be able to fully fund itself, and the revenues will also support economic development in the four northern Iraqi provinces it governs.

      Things are looking down in neighboring Iran, though. From Reuters:

       

      UN sanctions on Iran loom as vote to delay fails

      France, Germany and the UK had invoked the “snap-back” provisions for UN sanctions on Iran for its nuclear program. They’d been suspended when the JCPOA was signed in 2015. Russia and China sponsored a Security Council resolution to delay the sanctions for six months, but it failed on a 4 to 9 vote with 2 abstentions.

      The sanctions came back at midnight GMT. They will impact Iranian exports and imports, and I think they include removal of Iran from the SWIFT financial settlements system.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Gloria DryGarden

      September 27, 2025 at 5:44 am

      Late last night my pandora with ads played an ad looking for workers to come work for ICE, to help go after the worst of the worst.

      omfg

      Reply
    47. 47.

      prostratedragon

      September 27, 2025 at 6:09 am

      @eclare: ​

      Epigony recapitulates genealogy, or something. At least, here.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      oldster

      September 27, 2025 at 6:10 am

      “Nothing serious with the sauce this time, just a tin of anchovies…..”

      You monster. Taking all of that good food, and then rendering it unfit for human consumption.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      prostratedragon

      September 27, 2025 at 6:14 am

      @Baud: ​

      While I’m uneasy about the latter, we’ll get a definitive reinvestigation of the disappearance of Judge Crater before we get the former.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Betty

      September 27, 2025 at 7:52 am

      @Gloria DryGarden: Yes! How many more school superintendents are out there lurking and hiding from ICE?  Go get’em, boyz!

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Ohio Mom

      September 27, 2025 at 8:03 am

      @oldster: Nah, one will taste the anchovies, they will melt and add a subtle umami flavor.

      I always add an inch of anchovy paste to the olive oil when I’m sautéing broccoli, makes it much more tasty — well, tasty for broccoli, a vegetable I remain ambivalent about.

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    52. 52.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 27, 2025 at 8:06 am

      And if another one of those motherfuckers calls me sir again-

      But do they say it with tears in their eyes?  ;-)

      Reply
    53. 53.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 27, 2025 at 8:10 am

      @oldster:

      “Nothing serious with the sauce this time, just a tin of anchovies…..”

      You monster. Taking all of that good food, and then rendering it unfit for human consumption.

      “No anchovies? You’ve got the wrong man. I spell my name – Danger.”

      (I can’t stand anchovies either, but they always remind me of Firesign Theatre’s “Nick Danger, Third Eye.”)

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 27, 2025 at 8:25 am

      @Albatrossity: Would it be uncouth to ask for a copy of that recipe?

      Oh, the heck with it, I’ll be uncouth— could you PLEASE share that recipe with we who are unlikely to ever sup at Georges!?

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 27, 2025 at 8:28 am

      @RaflW: Baking— well, ATTEMPTING to bake— made me really appreciate metric recipes using weights, rather than cups and spoons ‘n’ such.

      It makes EVERYTHING so much more straightforward, it really does.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      oldster

      September 27, 2025 at 8:47 am

      @Ohio Mom:

      I’m glad it works for you and the people you feed. Maybe I’m a supertaster or something in this regard, but three atoms of fishium in a kilogram of broccoli will still render it inedible to me.
      But again — if it works for you, then ignore my whining. Nobody likes picky eaters, and they are no more lovable at seventy-five than at seven.

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    57. 57.

      Juju

      September 27, 2025 at 10:11 am

      @oldster: I hate it when people do that. I have a fish and shellfish allergy and when people put  anchovies in something that they are not typically in, at the very least it becomes an uncomfortable night for me, and has a real possibility of sending me to the emergency room.  I had some ice cream once that someone put oyster sauce in. Fortunately I noticed it before I swallowed anything, and it didn’t hurt me, but who does that?  I was told it was all about the umami. 🙄

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    58. 58.

      Paul in KY

      September 27, 2025 at 10:13 am

      @suzanne: I was at UK back in late 70s and early 80s. Frat life was completely segregated. Rush was a completely unregulated bacchanal of booze. Example: ATO had ‘Little Kings Night’. At entrance to frat they had a refrigerated semi trailer and they would hand you an 8 pack of little kings and ‘get drunk MFer!!!’. That was sorta tame compared to some. Don’t ask me about Sigma Nu Purple Passion Night.

      So glad to see some multi-ethnic frats! Back then I had more in common with the Qs and KASes and other black frat members than the white, rich (generally jerks) members.

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    59. 59.

      Paul in KY

      September 27, 2025 at 10:16 am

      @eclare: They are Trumps. It is in their genes, in their marrow (which they will sell you some of if the price is right).

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    60. 60.

      Denali5

      September 27, 2025 at 10:25 am

      @Baud:

      I am afraid war is the more likely scenario. It will probably be a smaller country like Venezuela that we maybe can defeat. It won’t cost too many lives – but maybe will take the life of the son of someone you know, like the Iraq war did with me.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Parfigliano

      September 27, 2025 at 10:33 am

      @Paul in KY: Trumps will sell you some other persons marrow.

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    62. 62.

      Paul in KY

      September 27, 2025 at 10:38 am

      @Parfigliano: And pass it off as their own! Crooks all the way down.

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    63. 63.

      Carlo Graziani

      September 27, 2025 at 10:38 am

      @Ohio Mom: Basis for another classic Italian dish, pasta con broccoli. First you parboil the broccoli, then you saute them to a pan with olive oil, gsrlic, hot pepper and anchovies, while cooking pasta shells in the broccoli-parboiling water. Before draining the pasta, reserve some of the water. Combine pasta with sauteed broccoli in a bowl, add a good amount of grated parnigiano, and mix, adding a little of the reserved water to give the sauce a bit of movement. Fast, and delicious.

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    64. 64.

      Kayla Rudbek

      September 27, 2025 at 11:11 am

      @Professor Bigfoot:

       

      @RaflW:

       

      baking is a thing of precision, much like analytical chemistry

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      Glidwrith

      September 27, 2025 at 11:17 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: Lily at #17 posted a link to the recipe.

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    66. 66.

      oldster

      September 27, 2025 at 11:28 am

      @Juju:

      Wow — that allergy sounds like a serious medical condition.

      Me? I just have an aversion to the taste.

      But unannounced oyster sauce is not only a problem for people with allergies, it is also unfair to people with religious prohibitions.

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    67. 67.

      Juju

      September 27, 2025 at 11:57 am

      @oldster: It is a serious medical condition. I come from a family of seafood lovers. It never sat well with me. My family always made fun of me because I was a whiner and I just didn’t like seafood, and my father was a physician. When I reached the level of histamines that caused a reaction, I was 31. That was one of the worst experiences in my life. I wasn’t sure if I was afraid to die, or I wanted to die. The experience happened at the beach in February and there were no medical facilities anywhere near. By the time I got home, with my sister, I had made it through the dangerous part.  My sister still has nightmares about the part where I could barely breathe.  My dad checked me out ant told me to stay away from shellfish, and later on I discovered it also included ocean dwelling fish. I can’t eat tuna and a bunch of other fish. I don’t even want to look at freshwater fish. I can’t have fries that have been cooked in the same oil that fish has been fried in, and I hate to watch red lobster commercials. Just seeing that claw come out of the shell is enough to make me cringe.

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      oldster

      September 27, 2025 at 12:26 pm

      @Juju:

      Scary indeed!

      People have figured out that you cannot throw peanuts into dishes without warning; let’s hope they’ll figure that out about seafood, too.

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      Albatrossity

      September 27, 2025 at 4:23 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot: Uncouth? On this blog? My pearls doth need clutched!

      Anyhoo, I see that the recipe is posted at comment 17 above. And later comments have some modifications that others have tried. I do the original recipe pretty much, but most of the time it is with grilled spatchcocked chicken leftovers rather than smoked. Both are good, one is convenient since I grill chicken quite regularly!

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      dnfree

      September 27, 2025 at 6:23 pm

      @Ohio Mom: Way late to this thread, but as a vegetarian I’d prefer to be told if someone put any meat or fish in a food that I thought didn’t have meat, like broccoli!

      Reply

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