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Two Devils Dancing

by WaterGirl|  February 28, 20269:30 pm| 56 Comments

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Two devils dancing – Putin and T – and I’ll bet that one of them doesn’t understand that he’s only a puppet, with the strings being pulled by the other devil.

I am not a foreign policy expert by any stretch of the imagination, and I have way more questions than answers, but as a human who is able to draw a dotted line from one thing to another, it does seem the height of hubris to not take note of the fact that a head of state assassinating the head of another head of state  is opening Pandora’s box.  That would be true even if that whole region wasn’t a volatile powder keg.  Right?  Or are we so far past the looking glass up is down?

I don’t know whether Politico‘s take is right or wrong or somewhere in between, so I’ll leave it to those more expert than me to hash that out.

As Tehran was being pounded by U.S. and Israeli bombs on Saturday morning, its top diplomat dialed Moscow’s number.

That made me think of all the people frantically calling T for help on Jan 6, looking for help and getting none.

On the other end of the line, according to an official Russian statement, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov offered his Iranian counterpart sympathy and promised his — verbal — support.

Iran, thus, became the latest country after Syria and Venezuela to feel firsthand what partnership with Russia does, and doesn’t, mean.
Since launching its full-scale war in Ukraine four years ago, the Kremlin has flexed its rhetorical muscle as the flag bearer of a so-called multipolar world. But, at decisive moments, its response on the ground in allied nations has been conspicuously anemic as their leaders came under attack.

Iran now threatens to become the latest example of the discrepancy between the Kremlin’s big talk in the face of American hegemony and the real world where that hegemony is increasingly on full display.

For Tehran, Moscow’s lackluster response should come as no surprise.

Frog, meet scorpion.  No, wait, is there a story where they are both scorpions?  And one is more poisonous than the other?

The writing has been on the wall since at least last summer, when — during a 12-day war with Israel that included a massive U.S. assault on Iranian nuclear sites — top Russian officials similarly offered statements of condemnation but no action.

In the months that followed, Moscow has tried to contain the damage. It has defended the Islamic regime’s right to quash protests, which they, reports suggested, used Russian military equipment and technology to put down.

And Moscow has publicly cast itself as a mediator between the U.S. and Iran, proposing to store enriched uranium stockpiles on Russian soil.

Is everything related to foreign policy simply kayfabe now?

In the hours after Saturday’s attack, many social media users dug up Putin’s comments from June 2025 at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, where he defended Russia’s “neutral” stance during the first U.S.-Israeli attack on Iran.

Russia’s failure to intervene in Iran undoubtedly represents a reputational blow on the global stage. But it also might bring some spoils of war.
Moscow will be hoping to deflect attention away from itself by highlighting the West’s — and particularly the U.S.’s — failure to live up to international norms.

It is also likely to entrench the Kremlin’s rigid position on Ukraine, which it has consistently framed as a defensive move against Western aggression.
“It will be difficult to convince Putin that he was ever wrong [about the danger of the West,]” said Vladimir Pastukhov, a Russian political scientist affiliated with University College London, on Telegram. “To the doubters he’ll point to Tehran and say: ‘It could have been us.’”

At the very least, if U.S.-brokered talks on peace in Ukraine break down, Moscow will have its talking points ready.

Oh my god – IF the US BROKERED TALKS ON PEACE IN UKRAINE BREAK DOWN????

Are we actually pretending that the US is a legitimate actor here?  And that the President of Ukraine is going give up?

I laughed at T being called The Peacekeeper.  The president of the US is being mocked – deservedly so – on the national stage.

Among the first Kremlin figures to react Saturday was the deputy chairman of Russia’s security council and former president, Dmitry Medvedev.

“The peacekeeper is at it again,” he wrote on X, referring to U.S. President Donald Trump. “The talks with Iran were just a cover. Everyone knew that.”

If there’s one thing in this article that I know to be true, it’s that diplomacy with T is pointless.  Will Putin’s last move on the chessboard be to knock over Trump?  The only thing I know for sure is that these are dangerous times.

Fyodr Lukyanov, a Russian foreign policy adviser to the Kremlin, went as far as suggesting that the events in Iran show that diplomacy with Trump was “plain pointless.”

Moscow will be hoping that is the message that stays with its remaining allies — rather than its own inaction.

I am looking forward to hearing from BJ peeps who are more knowledgeable than me in this arena.

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    1. 1.

      WaterGirl

      February 28, 2026 at 9:30 pm

      If there is ever a day where I was happy to have the distraction of working, today is definitely one of those days.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      A Ghost to Most

      February 28, 2026 at 9:34 pm

      Maybe the christians should not have chosen him THREE times

      Reply
    3. 3.

      cmorenc

      February 28, 2026 at 9:40 pm

      Trump taking out Iran’s supreme leader raises an obvious question: how secure is Trump, really, from being taken out by a hostile foreign power’s agents – especially when he’s at Mar-a-Lago and away from the elaborate defensive shielding of Washington DC and the White House grounds?  I’m honestly not sure a specialOps mission from wherever that successfully mounted such an effort to take Trump out would be better for the interests of the US at large, rather than patiently forcing the Trump Admin to unravel and sink to pariah status within the US, outside an incorrigible shrinking core of true MAGA believers.  There’s also the fact that if Trump dies, we are still stuck with JD Vance and his cabal of fascist tech billionaires.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      February 28, 2026 at 9:42 pm

      Moscow will be hoping to deflect attention away from itself by highlighting the West’s — and particularly the U.S.’s — failure to live up to international norms.

      LMAO! This is like the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. Since when has Putin’s government ever attempted to live up to international norms? Pretty sure declaring unprovoked war against a neighbor violates international norms. They can make whatever bullshit claims they want about western aggression, but Ukraine was never any danger to Russia, nor had any intention to ever attack them.

      It was always about grabbing whatever resources they could and trapping tens of millions of more people behind their borders because of their faltering demographics/population

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Odie Hugh Manatee

      February 28, 2026 at 9:43 pm

      The US has just legitimized Russia’s attack on Ukraine while also proving that the US is not a country to be trusted any more. Bibi finally got what he wanted, us to attack Iran and do the dirty work for him. All he had to do was destroy Biden and the Democrats in 2024 with his indiscriminate bombing of the Palestinians and then goad Trump into acting by throwing the first punch at Iran.

      America is not to be trusted any more. Our credibility is gone and we are “that” country now. China is looking like a more mature, reasoned nation compared to us.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Ohio Mom

      February 28, 2026 at 9:45 pm

      @cmorenc: If some other power took out Trump, we’d still be stuck with Vance and most likely, Miller, Vought, etc.

      And we’d go crazy like we did after 9/11, who knows how we would lash out.

      I’m with you, the better (not good, better) option (as if we have a choice) is to patiently wait this out (Patiently includes protesting, campaigning for Democrats and all the usual legal methods of furthering the transfer of power).

      Reply
    7. 7.

      cmorenc

      February 28, 2026 at 9:49 pm

      @Ohio Mom:

      I’m with you, the better (not good, better) option (as if we have a choice) is to patiently wait this out (Patiently includes protesting, campaigning for Democrats and all the usual legal methods of furthering the transfer of power).

      Yep, exactly.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      rk

      February 28, 2026 at 9:50 pm

      What exactly can Russia do to help Iran? Putin has screwed over his country with the Ukraine fiasco. They can’t help militarily, can’t even carry out a proxy war.I can’t imagine that Russians have anything to blackmail Trump with so that he would stop. Everyone knows Trump is a corrupt, dirty old pedophile. Releasing some videos is going to have no impact. You can’t shame a shameless man. Trump’s big advantage is that he’s completely mad, unpredictable and stupid. At this point Putin should be scared of Trump. Trump is fully capable of firing nuclear weapons at Russia. There’s no method to Trump’s madness.

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    9. 9.

      Ohio Mom

      February 28, 2026 at 9:50 pm

      @Odie Hugh Manatee: You left out the part where Bibi dragged his feet and prevented any process that would have freed the Israeli hostages. By refusing to resolve things, he hurt Biden, helping to pave the way for Trump.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      February 28, 2026 at 9:55 pm

      @Odie Hugh Manatee:

      China is looking like a more mature, reasoned nation compared to us

      Aside from that whole “Taiwan” thing. And the genocide against the Uyghurs

      Reply
    11. 11.

      JCJ

      February 28, 2026 at 9:59 pm

      Monday night I went to see Nine Inch Nails in Milwaukee.  One of the songs they performed was I’m Afraid of Americans.  Thinking of that a lot lately

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Shalimar

      February 28, 2026 at 10:01 pm

      What was Russia supposed to do?  They can’t even take ground in Ukraine with the help of Iran’s drones.  Their relationship with Iran was simple: currency for drones.  Iran needs their own drones now.  Russia doesn’t have anything they can help with.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Martin

      February 28, 2026 at 10:02 pm

      @A Ghost to Most: Hey, we’re bombing Muslims as God would have wanted.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      different-church-lady

      February 28, 2026 at 10:03 pm

      @cmorenc: At this point we’re all just passengers on the crazy train.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Odie Hugh Manatee

      February 28, 2026 at 10:07 pm

      @Ohio Mom: ​
       

      Yup, that’s the truth. Bibi knew Biden couldn’t do anything without bad press and angering different groups. Looking back, I wish Biden had told Bibi and Israel that what they were doing was wrong and there would be no more weapons for that purpose.

      As it is Biden fed Bibi’s war machine and paid for it, giving Bibi a two-for. I am so over Israel now, so over it. Their announcement of having completed their objectives in Iran and being done with their part is a huge smack in our faces of them using Trump to attack Iran and then leaving us with the bag.

      Fuck Israel’s government and the enablers who put them in power. Israel has fucked us over in a variety of ways for decades (USS Liberty, Pollard, etc.) and they are an ally in name only.

      Israel is the ally of Israel and that is the only nation they like and trust.

      Fuck them all.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Odie Hugh Manatee

      February 28, 2026 at 10:08 pm

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

      Two things, Baka. Look at us… we got that beat by a huge margin.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Scout211

      February 28, 2026 at 10:11 pm

      Well, by all accounts, this attack on Iran has been a success. The media is all over it, all day, all live updates, all news stories.

      Operation Epic Fury Distraction

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Another Scott

      February 28, 2026 at 10:13 pm

      About what one would expect from Politico, I think. :-/

      Darth Putin is often more accurate, and much shorter.

      Darth Putin
      ‪@darthputinkgb.bsky.social‬

      April last year Iran signed a security treaty with Russia. This means one of two things was bound to happen

      1. Russia would attack Iran
      2. Russia would do nothing when some one else attacks Iran

      [ image from The Moscow Times from April 2025 ]

      4:57 AM · Feb 28, 2026

      Bingo.

      Thanks.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      piratedan

      February 28, 2026 at 10:13 pm

      @Shalimar: yeah, one of the unexpected ripples of little thought of outcomes might be fewer drones for Russia to use against Ukraine, while the Iranians send them after whoever the fuck they can in retaliation, be they US targets or other targets of opportunity, say UAE, Yemen, Iraq, Israel and whoever else may come to mind.

      Who knows if there is any kind of Iranian spy/terrorist networks ready to wreak havoc anywhere in the west?  I certainly don’t expect THIS administration to know because I don’t think that THEY take Iran seriously.  After all, we just Pearl Harbored them, had them at the negotiating table in complete bad faith and then attacked them sans any credible cause.

      So who knows if there’s any Iranian terrorists out there?  The US certainly won’t be getting any 5-eyes intel nowadays.  Also, pulling shit like this may cause VP to put pressure on this shitty administration to end it sooner rather than later, so Putin can continue to get his drones and Trump can spend a few billion in ordnance outlays and then walk away and declare himself a winner and prevent it from even coming up for a vote?

      circles back to the theory that the last guy in the room who has Trump’s attention wins.

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    20. 20.

      coin operated

      February 28, 2026 at 10:20 pm

      @Odie Hugh Manatee:

      China is looking like a more mature, reasoned nation compared to us.

      Yes…they are. They’ve been building up soft power by building a burgeoning middle class and making it easy for visitors to come in and see all the progress they’ve made. YT is full of videos of Americans visiting…and sometimes becoming…ex-pats in China.

      And, yes…I’ve thought about it myself.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Shalimar

      February 28, 2026 at 10:21 pm

      Saw our asshole at the UN say this: “President Trump has met the moment.”

      We just destabilized the biggest terrorist group funder/supporter of the last 50 years.  Maybe don’t celebrate your own genius on Day 1 of the war?

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Matt McIrvin

      February 28, 2026 at 10:23 pm

      @Ohio Mom: People talk about J. D. Vance’s “negative charisma” but I don’t want to know what he’d do hopped up on the political rocket fuel of succeeding a Trump who’d met a violent end.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Chief Oshkosh

      February 28, 2026 at 10:28 pm

      @cmorenc: Now let’s think about this.

      What enemy of the US would want to kill Trump?

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      February 28, 2026 at 10:29 pm

      @Odie Hugh Manatee:

      It’s not a comprehensive list. They have skeletons in their closet, too. Both the modern PRC government and previous Chinese governments. Everybody does, if you go back far enough. They’re a totalitarian police state with mass surveillance that’s straight out of Eric Blair’s worst nightmares. And they don’t even pretend to care about human rights like other nations claim to. Their record on LGBTQ+ rights is horrendous.

      I’m the first one to criticize US foreign policy and our failures to live up to our ideals

      Reply
    25. 25.

      azlib

      February 28, 2026 at 10:34 pm

      @piratedan:

      I agree about the Pearl Harbor reference. It is the first thing I thought of when I heard the news.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      eclare

      February 28, 2026 at 10:35 pm

      @cmorenc:

      I have wondered that too.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Parfigliano

      February 28, 2026 at 10:40 pm

      @cmorenc: Looked at through the right/wrong lens fascist tech billionaires are world leaders too.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Jackie

      February 28, 2026 at 10:41 pm

      @Scout211:

      Well, by all accounts, this attack on Iran has been a success. The media is all over it, all day, all live updates, all news stories.

      Operation Epic FuryDistraction

      EPSTEIN! EPSTEIN!! EPSTEIN!!!

      Reply
    29. 29.

      eclare

      February 28, 2026 at 10:41 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      Pretty much all of them?

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Parfigliano

      February 28, 2026 at 10:45 pm

      @Ohio Mom: Hopefully the next DEM Admin policy concerning Israel will also include a hard look backward not forgetting the past.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      Chief Oshkosh

      February 28, 2026 at 10:47 pm

      @eclare: No enemy of the US will kill Trump. He’s doing way, way more damage to us than any foreign adversary could ever accomplish.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Gretchen

      February 28, 2026 at 10:48 pm

      @cmorenc: Yes! Trump is famously paranoid and cowardly, but he sits in his lightly-secured club on the coast ordering other leaders to be assassinated or kidnapped, and it doesn’t seem to occur to him that he’s giving others ideas. How far is Mar-a-Lago from Cuba?

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Parfigliano

      February 28, 2026 at 10:48 pm

      @Odie Hugh Manatee: Amen.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Gretchen

      February 28, 2026 at 10:49 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: That’s true. If the whole administration was made of up Russian plants they wouldn’t do more damage than is being done. I’m sick about losing scientific research and talent for a generation.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      YY_Sima Qian

      February 28, 2026 at 10:57 pm

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The PRC is a police state if one wants to challenge the CPC regime, otherwise (which is the case for the vast majority of people) living there is not much different from other countries in E/SE Asia. It is not North Korea. More like an even more paternalistic Singapore.

      The CPC regime suppresses LGBT+ activism, & keeps it firmly out of the mainstream. OTOH, it does not persecute LGBT+ w/ the zeal of US reactionaries. There is a reason Chongqing is called the lesbian capital of China, & Chengdu “Gaydu”. In fact, homosexuality being “icky” was a concept introduced by western missionaries in the 19th century.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Martin

      February 28, 2026 at 11:07 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian: I know a number of openly queer people in China – at least open to social media outside of PRC. Hard to believe the govt isn’t fully aware of them. They don’t seem terribly concerned about oppression. I suspect like a lot of things, they wouldn’t be oppressed for being queer, they’d be oppressed because of something they did or said and their queerness would just be used as cover. Not really any different from how the US too often works.

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    37. 37.

      Captain C

      February 28, 2026 at 11:09 pm

      On the other end of the line, according to an official Russian statement, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov offered his Iranian counterpart sympathy and promised his — verbal — support.

      Iran, thus, became the latest country after Syria and Venezuela to feel firsthand what partnership with Russia does, and doesn’t, mean.

      Another similarity between FFOTUS and Putin/Russia

      Reply
    38. 38.

      YY_Sima Qian

      February 28, 2026 at 11:14 pm

      @Martin: On Chinese social media, especially RedNote, queer expression is hidden behind imaginative veils, but pretty thin ones.

      Queer activism, like all social activism, is targeted by the CPC regime for suppression. The regime jealously guards its monopoly on political power & influence. However, if you do not challenge its monopoly, life is the modern China is quite comfortable, convenient & extraordinarily safe.

      These days, what sets the PRC apart is generally competent governance & functional society, which is increasingly rare around the world.

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    39. 39.

      Jay

      February 28, 2026 at 11:23 pm

      @piratedan:

      One of the Trumpcuses for attacking Iran is that they interfered with the 2016 and 2020 elections.

      They did, the IRGC posed as Proud Boy’s and threatened minorities to try to prevent them from voting for Biden/Harris.

      They also hacked in to “Never Trump” rethug emails in search of dirt to try to derail “Never Trump” Rethugs.

      So they hacked and used social media to try to weight the election “for DJTidiot”.

      Sortly after taking office, DJTidiot shut down all the teams an programs that shut down ruZzian, Iranian and Chinese attempts to “hack” the election for DJTidiot.

      And to “thank” the Iranians for all their hard work and effort, to try to get him elected,  DJTidiot bombs Iran.

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    40. 40.

      Omnes Omnibus

      February 28, 2026 at 11:29 pm

      @Odie Hugh Manatee:  No, we did not legitimize Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Telsiree

      February 28, 2026 at 11:31 pm

      The lesson for every country in the 21st century is to acquire nuclear weapons ASAP.

      Otherwise, you are not safe.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      JaySinWA

      February 28, 2026 at 11:35 pm

      @A Ghost to Most:

      Maybe the christians should not have chosen him THREE times

      Sounds like a reverse Peter principle. They failed to deny him 3 times.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      February 28, 2026 at 11:38 pm

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Omnes Omnibus

      February 28, 2026 at 11:44 pm

      The precedent of using decapitation as a policy tool is going to have blowback.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Spanky

      February 28, 2026 at 11:59 pm

      So now that killing the leader of your enemy is on the table,  can we assume the US is prepared for, say, a drone strike on the White House? Yeah, I know there are defenses in place, but so do the Iranians, and they have never really been tested under modern warfare conditions.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Jay

      March 1, 2026 at 12:02 am

      @Spanky:

      Enemies of the US, are not going to target Orangmandius. He is doing more damage to the US, than any of the US’s enemies ever achieved, combined.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Spanky

      March 1, 2026 at 12:07 am

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      What enemy of the US would want to kill Trump?

      None that are basing their actions on cold calculation,  but that seems in short supply worldwide, right now.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Odie Hugh Manatee

      March 1, 2026 at 2:04 am

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      That’s what Russia is going to argue… they are doing it for security purposes to protect themselves.

      Russia is going to Russia and they will use any excuse to muddy the waters. Trump handed them a doozy. I respectfully disagree with you on this.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Ten Bears

      March 1, 2026 at 2:30 am

      They’re both puppets …

      Reply
    50. 50.

      HopefullyNotCassandra

      March 1, 2026 at 3:34 am

       

       

      @YY_Sima Qian: we had competent federal governance here plus freedom a little more than one year ago.  We still have it in many states and localities without anybody being silenced for challenging Governor Newsom or Mayor Mamdani.  Most of Europe has competent governance, peace, freedom and not even the notion of reeducation camps.

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    51. 51.

      YY_Sima Qian

      March 1, 2026 at 6:09 am

      @HopefullyNotCassandra: You are talking about day to day governance, I am talking about decade to decade vision.

      Considering the deep pathologies in the governance of CA & NYC, & the political paralysis & economic malaise in much of Europe, I would not call competent governance widely found. The austerity that Germany imposed on Europe post-GFC was economic vandalism. Likewise for Germany’s energy policy, shutting down mature nuclear power in a fit of moral posturing, became dependent on cheap Russian gas, & then switch that for dependence on expensive American gas.

      In the case of Dem run states & municipalities, it is not always the fault of Dem governors or mayors, as they have little control over the macro environment.

      I do have hopes for Mamdani, but there is only so much a NYC mayor can do, hemmed in by Albany & DC.

      It’s not just liberal democracies that is suffering from decay, the malaise is afflict governments of all types (see Islamist Iran, Putinist Russia, Chavista Venezuela, the military juntas of Myanmar & Thailand, illiberal democratic India & Hungary, even the Persian Gulf monarchies).

      Aside from the PRC, the exceptions I see are Vietnam, Singapore, Norway, & that’s about it. Everyone else have allowed socio-economic pathologies to metastasize over the decades, sending themselves into cul-de-sacs, unable to maneuver themselves out, & poorly equipped to navigate the onsetting chaos created by collapsed international order & worsening AGW.

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    52. 52.

      lowtechcyclist

      March 1, 2026 at 8:10 am

      @Spanky: ​

      So now that killing the leader of your enemy is on the table, can we assume the US is prepared for, say, a drone strike on the White House? Yeah, I know there are defenses in place, but so do the Iranians, and they have never really been tested under modern warfare conditions.

      Or a drone strike on Mar-A-Lago, which is right on the edge of the ocean, and has less of a structure of built-up defenses.

      And drones being cheap, it would be possible for an adversary to throw dozens of them at Mar-A-Lago at once, and shooting down most of them wouldn’t be enough.

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    53. 53.

      lowtechcyclist

      March 1, 2026 at 8:12 am

      @Spanky: ​

      None that are basing their actions on cold calculation, but that seems in short supply worldwide, right now.

      All too true, on both counts.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Another Scott

      March 1, 2026 at 9:38 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: @HopefullyNotCassandra: @YY_Sima Qian:

      I’ll just leave this here. Brookings.edu – Chinese Crime and Geopolitics in 2024:

      The global footprint of criminal groups from China1 has expanded along with China’s economic and geopolitical presence around the world. North America’s fentanyl crisis thrust China-linked criminal networks and their expanding international connections, such as with the Sinaloa Cartel, to U.S. policy forefront.

      However, the scope of organized crime from China extends far beyond global drug trafficking and money laundering. Internationally, Chinese criminal groups engage in poaching and wildlife trafficking, cybercrime, and elaborate fraud and scams, also featuring people trafficking and enslavement. Long experienced in illegally bringing people to the United States and Canada, criminal networks from China have intensified activities at the U.S.-Mexico border.

      Chinese fishing vessels, often illegally devastating protected marine areas and other countries’ exclusive economic zones, can facilitate drug trafficking and serve as the Chinese government’s maritime militia proxies in extraterritorial claims and military confrontations. They can also augment Chinese espionage around the world.

      Indeed, these criminal networks provide a variety of services to the Chinese government, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), and Chinese legal enterprises. They help build networks of corruption and influence among foreign politicians and businesses. In interviews with Vanda Felbab-Brown, current and former law enforcement officials from the United States, Asia, Australia, and Africa stated that China-linked criminal groups monitor the Chinese diaspora and act as extralegal enforcers on behalf of Chinese authorities against those who speak and act against the Chinese government and CCP. Thus, Chinese government officials often unofficially extend the umbrella of party protection and government authority to these actors.

      Because of these linkages to the Chinese government and their own entrepreneurial skills, China-linked criminal networks in 2024 are likely to expand their geographic reach and deep role in various illegal economies.

      […]

      Policy implications

      Even as China prides itself on its tough anti-crime policies and annually highlights its large numbers of arrested criminals for a wide variety of offenses, Beijing rarely acts against the top echelons of Chinese criminal syndicates. This is especially true for those who also service Chinese authorities’ objectives, unless they specifically contradict a narrow set of Chinese government interests. Behavior and actions that do trigger robust law enforcement actions center on threats to the Chinese government and the CCP’s hold on power, their ability to suppress political dissent, and the expatriation of money from China.

      The Chinese government also acts against criminal groups that engage in violence (a rare occurrence) or whose activities become visible in China and generate negative publicity there, such as the entrapment and enslavement of Chinese citizens in Chinese scam operations. Finally, when faced with intense international pressure, such as over the role of Chinese criminal groups in fentanyl and precursor trafficking, China may also take law enforcement action, though its robustness is a function of its geopolitical orientation and bilateral relations.

      Since China’s cooperation with U.S. law enforcement interests will remain limited due to geopolitical competition, the United States should expand and smarten its own measures against Chinese criminal actors. Focused intelligence collection, analysis, and reporting by a variety of U.S. government actors against Chinese criminal groups, including their wildlife trafficking, illegal fishing, and illegal mining activities, beget new opportunities to understand not just their operations and vulnerabilities but also their linkages to Chinese government actors and espionage activities.

      […]

      Even with all the USA’s problems, especially when too many monsters have their hands on the levers of power, I’m with Biden in preferring the US system.

      FWIW.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

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    55. 55.

      YY_Sima Qian

      March 1, 2026 at 11:05 am

      @Another Scott: I would strongly prefer the US system that is functioning as designed, but that is not the reality we live in, & has not been since at least mid-way through the 1st Obama term. That system has become completely dysfunctional by the Biden term, & he was unable to do much to reverse the decline (not all his fault).

      The CPC regime has indeed leveraged Chinese crime syndicates for the purposes of transnational repression, & possibly espionage, there is no evidence that the general activities of such criminal organizations are directed by the CPC regime, nor is there evidence that the PRC government has exercised state power to shield such criminals from local justice. When the Indonesian Navy captures Chinese fishing boatings operating in its EEZ, & publicly blow up the vessels in a show of force, the PRC does not protest. When Ghana arrests Chinese gold miners for operating illegally, the PRC government does not pressure the Ghanaian government to release them.

      There are many problematic to nefarious ways in how the CPC regime wields power abroad, criminal syndicates is far down the list, & among some of easiest to contain (in theory), all it takes is competent law enforcement.

      Lest we forget, the US system allowed the CIA to collaborate w/ the Columbian cartels to fight “Communism” in Central America (ruining several countries in the process), while just about every US administration has turned a blind eye to the flood of US firearms going south of the border, arming criminal gangs of every stripe.

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    56. 56.

      Mike in Pasadena

      March 1, 2026 at 11:31 am

      @cmorenc: What elaborate defensive shield in DC are we talking about? Are we talking about the shield that let a lone airliner loaded with fuel fly into the Pentagon on 9/11? One of the most shameful acts ever, a military HQ that was unable to even defend itself? Two millenia ago, the Romans knew enough to dig a ditch around its legion’s camps in Judea and construct a stockade on top of the resulting pile of dirt so that the legionaires could sleep safely. They even left an intervalium between stockade and tents so that flaming arrows could not reach their tents. But a country that spends a trillion per year on its military (“the mightiest military on the planet”) can’t defend its military HQ and its Capitol/capital? We cannot defend ourselves against a gang of Saudis armed with box cutters or a mob of slovenly incels armed with bear spray and flag poles on January 6. (Edited to add: I don’t intend to attack or offend cmorenc, I’m disgusted with our lack of defenses. My apologies to cmorenc if my rant appeared to be an attack. It was not intended to offend you.)

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