James Fallows thinks the Washington Post owes the world an apology and correction for Jennifer Rubin’s stupid piece speculating about Al Qaeda’s involvement in Norway. A taste:
Moreover, there is a specific jihadist connection here: “Just nine days ago, Norwegian authorities filed charges against Mullah Krekar, an infamous al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist who, with help from Osama bin Laden, founded Ansar al Islam – a branch of al Qaeda in northern Iraq – in late 2001.”
This is a sobering reminder for those who think it’s too expensive to wage a war against jihadists. […] Obama would have us believe that al-Qaeda is almost caput and that we can wrap up things in Afghanistan. All of these are rationalizations for doing something very rash, namely curbing our ability to defend the United States and our allies in a very dangerous world.
Don’t hold your breath on that one, Jim. She’s too busy telling us how Boehner pwned President Obama and how the White House conspired to kill the debt ceiling deal.
Meanwhile, as Fallows notes, the per-capita death toll in Norway is at least twice that of 9/11, all at the hands of a “Christian fundamentalist with right-wing tendencies”.
jeffreyw
Jennifer Rubin (artist’s impression)
nancydarling
I think apologies from Christian leaders for what one of their own has done are called for here. Isn’t that what is demanded of Muslim leaders when one “theirs” commits an act of terror?
Tunch
And before loco moko points it out, EDK posted something similar, but now has up a post saying, yeah, I was wrong, but only because he did it the way aQ would have done it.
Tricksy there are, corrupting the minds of those nice white supremacists who would have never come up with on their own.
cathyx
A terrorist of the anti-muslim variety.
Cat Lady
WaPo- fishwrap or bird cage liner?
John Cole
Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.
greennotGreen
To give Jennifer Rubin the benefit of a doubt, I’m sure it was just an autocorrect problem. She probably typed in “perpetrators” and her word processing program just stuck in “Al Qaeda.” And even then, it’s just semantics. After all, what’s the difference between Al Qaeda and violent right wing Christianists? They’re both just deluded theocrats who serve an angry, murderous god.
Suffern ACE
Please, MSM hired freak, tell us again why we can never ever leave Afghanistan and why it isn’t too expensive? Because the Norwegians arrested someone?
cleek
the accepted wingnut line is now “no, it wasn’t wrong to assume he was a Muslim, because it’s usually a Muslim, and it could still turn out that he’s in league with Muslims, and Muslims are bad, and 9/11!, Muslims, Muslims, Muslims!”
see the idiot McCarthy at NRO for an absurd example
cathyx
So I don’t expect to hear very much about this story anymore, since it doesn’t fit in with the al Qaeda terrorist meme. Now it’s just a lone crazy guy.
General Stuck
The thing about the new age of digital info, and the thick as flies outlets to bomb our senses with the deep thoughts of folks like Rubin, is that if a body doesn’t take care, they can end up in a state of melancholy from too much tragedy intake, or go on an emo freakazoid binge fueled by an overdose of stupidity.
We have it all right now, in triplicate. It is supposed to rain here today.
So sorry for your losses Norway. RIP to all that died too young, before they had a chance to live. And for the deep well of grief caused by a crazy right wing nutjob. We got those here as well.
Rubin, WAPO, and their fellow winguts, can eat shit and die. That is all.
dr. bloor
@Catlady:
Use it for mulching in your garden. High fecal density–excellent fertilizer.
Obliterati
The Muslims made him do it. That’ll be the official wingnut line.
MattF
Well, Rubin joins other WaPo luminaries– Thiessen, Will, Krauthammer, Gerson, (ex) Kristol… Wait, wait… I feel light dawning… Is it possible that there’s a pattern here??!!!!
lllphd
yeah, this will be interesting to watch how it gets spun. replay of AZ, anyone?
the horrifying thing to me is that most of these fatalities are kids; this monster walked through a camp of the youth of his brethren and shot them dead in cold blood as they ran (and swam) for their lives. this was his intent, which is even more chilling than mcveigh’s “collateral damage” at the murrah building pre-school.
oh, and importantly, a liberal youth camp.
mellowjohn
it never would have happened if the liberals running that camp had allowed the kids to exercise their 2nd amendment rights!
Brian S
Reza Aslan noted on Twitter that the switch from terrorist to madman was almost immediate the second that it became clear this wasn’t al Qaeda. Quelle surprise!
stuckinred
Neal Boortz tweet on Norway “Sure looked like Muslim MO in Norway. Muslim radicals will shoot children — in the back. Remember Chechnya? 8:19 PM Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:19:10 +0000
Elizabelle
Check out this NYTimes readers comments thread from yesterday. A lot jumped to the muslim terrorist/this is what Norway deserves for allowing immigration and multi-culturalism bandwagon.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?sort=recommended
Jennifer Rubin needs to be gone from the WaPost.
Although if you boot her, how do you keep the paper’s other rightwing serial fabulists pumping out misinformation?
WPost has a (self/Fred Hiatt-created) problem there.
tamiedjr
jeffryw @ #1: Is that a turkey buzzard?
Ed Marshall
He was fjordman, guest blogger for Pam Gellar’s Atlas Shrugged. I can’t believe this shit.
John Puma
A stupid, knee-jerk, 180° wrong, racist piece in the WA Po?!?
I’m simply shocked!
Say it ain’t so, Mr mistermix, purty please!!!
The Pale Scot
Jesus Wept.
As lllphd said, how does one shoot down kids over politics?
Can’t help but be inclined to nod in agreement with the thought of Earth ending this whole naked ape experiment.
stuckinred
fjordman
chopper
@Ed Marshall:
you’re shitting me. gellar’s guest blogger just shot and killed almost a hundred fucking people?
The Republic of Stupidity
All I can visualize is an aircraft carrier up on blocks, sitting in the WH’s front yard, w/ a for sale sign on it…
We spend nearly as much as the rest of the world COMBINED on affairs military…
What is this idiot talking about?
Ed Marshall
@chopper:
yes.
wrb
Him being Fjordman confirmed anywhere?
bkny
and to the offensive disinformation, you can add:
…’were mimicking Al Qaeda’s brutality and multiple attacks.
“If it does turn out to be someone with more political motivations, it shows these groups are learning from what they see from Al Qaeda,” said Brian Fishman, a counterterrorism researcher at the New America Foundation in Washington.
honestly, that comment just stuns me. i guess mr fishman hasn’t heard about, you know, past incidents: ira bombings, columbine, oklahoma city, virginia tech …
chopper
great. no matter who does it and why, it’s still the muslims’ fault. just the fact that everyone jumped to that conclusion is proof that islam is really to blame.
i hate this fucking world.
General Stuck
OT
Ha! did I call this, or what?
World Wide Caliphate Now!
I am sure we can all understand why there was a rush to judgement. I mean several buildings were blown up in a business district and children massacred. It has all the earmarks of a dangerous band of brown immigrants with a superficially different religion or the US armed forces. There was no wedding so the US is off the hook. The fact that the buildings were indeed blown up tends to make you doubt a right wing terrorist subject. RWTS are more of the “infiltrated and disrupted in the planning stages of a major attack” sort of player. Think about the Hutaree Militia or the Denver Neo-nazis, not the poster children for a successful terror campaign.
*Anyone who would slaughter teens at a summer camp that focuses on involvement in government is a danger to all of civilization. There needs to be a measured denouncement of the mindset and actions that destroy the foundations of civility and peace no matter the ethnicity or political leanings.
donnah
This may have been posted here yesterday, but it broke my heart:
UPDATE NO. 17: In a sign that the shooting spree at the youth camp on Utoya is still not yet under control, authorities are advising Norwegians not to call people they know who may be on the island for fear “giving off the location of those who are hiding in the bushes and elsewhere on the island, to the shooter,” BBC reports.
Can you imagine?
Ed Marshall
@wrb:
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/22/rightist-wreaks-terror-through-norway/
wrb
Denial of Fjordman rumor from Gates of Vienna:
wrb
Denial of Fjordman rumor from Gates of Vienna:
evinfuilt
I’m so saddened by this, hard for me to think properly. The mirrors to okc bombing was evident right away. The shooting though, that is what has me so shocked.
My anger this actually causes me will make me ask a lot of “moderate” Christians to denounce this act.
My hopes go out to Norway, as I am worried that this event could change them. I shouldn’t be, their love of peace and reason will triumph over right wing mentality.
Amir_Khalid
The Norwegian cops did their job. They identified the perpetrator from security video footage very quickly. They had him in custody within hours. By talking to him directly, they found out exactly what he was before the end of the day. There was never any real need here to speculate, never any need to rely on prejudice and prove to be so wildly wrong. But pundits must pontificate, bigots must air their bigotry; and Jennifer Rubin (among others) is clearly both.
Ed Marshall
@wrb:
If it’s not true, it would mean Anders Breivik claimed to be fjordman to another right wing blogger and lied. It’s also possible that fjordman is more than one person.
chopper
@Stuck:
jesus, we really are boned. seriously, i used to think that at least boner would come back at the 11th hour and make something happen just to keep the country from falling apart, but these guys are pure-D insane.
i’m going to have to stock up on canned food, aren’t i?
Frapalinger
I bet they won’t even mention this on Beat the Press, Disgrace the Nation, or This Weak tomorrow morning (needless to say Fox News Sunday won’t touch this with a ten foot pole, because terrorism, like everything else is IOKIYAR). Instead, we’ll get a half dozen republicans and a bunch of centrists talking about how radical the democrats are being in the debt negotiations.
jeffreyw
@tamiedjr: Yup, the pups had mauled a mole they dug from the yard, and left it there. Amazing that such a tiny morsel drew his attention from on high.
MikeJ
@Ed Marshall:
You don’t think a guy that could shoot 80 kids could lie to pump up his ego, do you?
karen marie
It wasn’t hard for me to figure out very early on that the bombing and shootings were not AQ related. A quick Google to find out the provenance of the camp and the group AUF brought up the fact that both targets were linked to the Norwegian soshalist Labour Party. Who hates soshalists? Wingnuts.
Perhaps we should take up a collection to pay to educate Jennifer Rubin and her fellow travelers on the use of the Google.
jonas
Al Qaeda is so devious and insidious that they’re now recruiting blonde Norwegian, anti-Muslim neo-fascists to do their dirty work, possibly using secretly implanted hypno-chips or something. Man, will those Islamic terrorists stop at nothing?
chopper
or, to put it another way, about 35 McVeighs.
wrb
Ed Marshall:
What some GoV people are claiming is that he posted to the same blogs as Fjordman under his own name, and praised him.
One of them collected posts made under his own name, translated them and posted them here
vtr
I’m sure heard he the voice of God in his head telling him to go out and kill people he’s never seen before. Sometimes I think I just heard God tell me to kill someone, too. But I’m skeptical. Some of my friends tell me God’s in another line of work.
Kane
Does this mean that all Christian leadership and Christian organizations must put out statements condemning all Christian fundamentalists? Can we expect Peter King to chime in to condemn this Christian fundamentalist terrorist?
Basilisc
#16 mellowjohn –
Exactly.
Pivot in rightwing kneejerk response from “It was obviously a Muslim” to “If only someone on that island had been allowed to pack heat” in 3 … 2 … 1 …
JGabriel
NY Times:
This was an act of Conservative Terrorism — aimed at the center-left.
The victims were Labor party members, and, unbelievably, their children.
While I wouldn’t be surprised if the terrorist had racist, or anti-Muslim views, the targets weren’t Muslims. Breivik has no known links yet to anti-Jihadi groups. Breivik is reported to be a right-wing Christian fundamentalist. And he attacked social democrats.
This is Conservative Terrorism.
Let’s get used to using that phrase. Wingnuts won’t like it, but it’s the most accurate description.
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Villago Delenda Est
No, it’s not conservative at all. These reactionary assholes have taken that term and turned it into something entirely different. They’re opposed to freedom for everyone but a tiny elite…they’re actually neo-feudalists and theocrats, opposed to egalitarianism and social justice. They want to impose their mental illness of an invisible sky buddy on everyone by force.
Anya
It’s strange that most of the articles I’ve read about the massacre, while identifying the killer as a right-wing Norwegian, they still devoted more ink to Al-Qaeda and “muslim extremism”. It’s as though they don’t know how to talk about terrorism without the muslim angle. Case in point: Norwegian massacre gunman was a right-wing extremist who hated Muslims
nancydarling
It is worth posting Ed Marshall’s link @34 again.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/22/rightist-wreaks-terror-through-norway/
wrb
Here are some excerpts posted under his own name.
Sounds like he wasn’t Fjordman but was an admirer and follower (and of Gates of Vienna).
Seems clear he participated in and was nurtured by the right-wing blogosphere.
Focus seems to be mainly maintaining cultural purity. Muslims were the particular threat.
That last line is rather haunting
Constance
I’d never heard of Jennifer Rubin until somehow her vicious comments about Dudley Clendinen’s thoughtful, beautiful piece about living with ALS were linked. I doubt she had read what Dudley had to say. I got the impression she read what David Brooks wrote about Dudley’s decision and assumed Brooks had a clue.
Fortunately, I don’t read WaPo so will probably never have to read her again. She’s just nasty.
MikeJ
@Villago Delenda Est: Preserving power for those who have it is pretty much the definition of conservative.
WereBear
Our mental framework shapes how we view the world.
If someone is suspicious and paranoid and convinced there are swirling conspiracies keeping them oppressed and miserable and lonely… if they feel their beliefs and skin color should be celebrated far more than they truly are… if they are so short of admirable attributes they have to make some up… if they feel the world must be reshaped to suit them…
Then it’s no surprise they manage to seek out like-minded others who spin fantasies of mayhem and bloodshed. The problem is that every so often, there’s someone like this who decides to take it to the next level.
And the people who encouraged it; darn right they should be called on it.
Punchy
I sure hope Norway has the brains to try this idiot at Norway’s Gitmo, b/c god knows he’s too powerful and omnipotent to be tried by Norwegian judges.
JGabriel
@Villago Delenda Est:
Yes, they have. And, consequentially, that “something different” is exactly what Conservative means now.
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Joel
The past is prologue, as Shakespeare would say.
wrb
The blog that posted Breivik’s posts goes on to defend him:
http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2011/07/why-left-shouldnt-gloat-about-anders.html
Joel
For the record, these people have no shame. Rubin is just the tip of the iceberg.
The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
But remember folks, this was a lone wolf crazy, and in no way a terrorist. This means we can safely ignore any implications surrounding this attack and be safe knowing that only swarthy brown folk with exotic religions can be terrorists.
Ed Marshall
@wrb:
At least they are honest about who the guy was. I checked to see what Pam Gellar would have to say and she has decided to just lie and say the guy was some sort of deranged lunatic (which is true) and just paper over the fact that he just carried out her paranoid bullshit to it’s logical conclusion.
On edit: It’s not fair at all to call him crazy. He knew exactly what he was doing in targeting that camp. Those kids were the best and brightest of the politically active social democrats. He wiped out a generation of leaders and he knew it. As evil as it was, it was far from crazy.
The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
@Joel #63:
Oh, they have shame. The only problem is that they only feel shame when, mercy upon mercy, they end up actually agreeing with a goddamn lib or hippie. That’s when they feel shame. Race baiting, religion baiting, demonizing a whole giant swath of people because they’re convinced they’re all terrorists or terrorsts-in-potentia? That’s just good conservative wisdom.
Villago Delenda Est
A deranged lunatic.
Just like the Gellar cow.
JPL
wrb They are dangerous folks..
I don’t think the author quite knows what the word deranged means.
burnspbesq
@JGabriel:
No, it’s right-wing terrorism. There’s nothing conservative about shooting unarmed teenagers.
You’re not obligated to buy into decades of lies about what conservatism means.
burnspbesq
This should be an interesting day, if it starts out with Villago and I on the same side. ;-)
wrb
Ed, JPL
Yea, I was surprised that they were translating and bundling the stuff for us, but I think the owner of Islam v. Europe is so far gone she thinks him justified and his action a needed warning to the s o c i a l i s t s, a demonstration of what they are bringing down on themselves as patriots are inevitably driven to respond in the ways a patriot must.
I suspect that is the private opinion of many who remain aware enough to not say so publicly, like Gellar.
WaterGirl
burnsqbesq
Did you ever see, or try, the fix I posted for the annoying scrolling thing with Lion? I am not using Lion yet, but as a future user, I would love to know whether the fix solves the scrolling issue.
JGabriel
@burnspbesq:
Please describe to me the difference between right-wing and conservative. Because, in my experience, it’s a distinction without a difference, both words used interchangably.
The only time anyone attempts to make a distinction between the two is when conservatives wish to disassociate themselves from the violence that conservatives have been urging all along.
In fact, if you go to someplace where today’s conservatives gather, like PJ Tatler or Free Republic, you’ll soon see that they make no distinction either, and will be equally offended whether you call this right-wing terrorism or conservative terrorism.
I choose to call it Conservative Terrorism, because I don’t want to give conservatives the cheap excuse of a meaningless distinction.
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Danny
Here’s some info on Brevik from a scandinavian daily + Google translate:
Sounds like your run-of-the-mill teabagger to me… Leftists are traitors, conservatives are persecuted, what’s new?
Elie
Stuck @ 31 —
Yes, you called it completely and remember reading your comment that posed that scenario yesterday…
It was the only relative “face saving” way for the Repubs… they had no other way that the Dems and Pres would agree to. They painted themselves into a corner and then had to crawl out of the window.
Frankensteinbeck
Kryptik @66
I disagree. They feel shame. They feel so much shame that it dominates their thinking. They feel vastly more shame than we do, which is why our political discourse is dominated by arguments about what the right thing to do is. Theirs is dominated by arguments about what the wrong thing to do is.
We try to not do things we’re ashamed of, and as a consequence don’t feel much shame. They constantly do things they’re ashamed of, and spend enormous mental and emotional energy fighting that shame. The current conservative movement could be used as a textbook of Freudian and Jungian defense mechanisms.
Burnspbesq:
Obviously, the argument about ‘conservative’ is semantics. I do fall on the side that we should call it ‘conservative’. At some point you have to let Usage win, and politically I think it’s important to use a word that makes people understand that this man is a part of the current ‘conservative’ movement.
Bob
PZ Myers makes me smile, often. Here he reacts to the drivel at hand:
WaterGirl
@ JGabriel
A lot of your comments have been great lately, though I haven’t replied because my kitty has taken to lying on my computer as I read. You even got me to laugh out loud on a particularly bad day this week.
In the past few days, though, I have noticed you using the “.” spacer at the end of your posts – an affect also used by one very arrogant poster here, and unless that is your goal, I am not sure it is having the positive effect you may have intended.
Your posts stand out because of your content, and your “.” is just a distraction. Just thought I would share my two cents (which may not matter to you at all).
Edit: Love the “conservative terrorism” phrase. I also really liked the “right wing extremists” phrase that someone else suggested we start using. Maybe some of these can catch on.
Ed Marshall
@Danny:
Tim Phillips traveled to Norway earlier this year to coordinate with Framskrettspartiet. The tea partiers and the Framskrettspartiet are sister organizations.
Sly
@Kane:
Where are all the moderate Christians?!
Jewish Steel
@Frankensteinbeck: Well observed. Shame and guilt are some of the big drivers here.
And speaking of conservative vs right wing, Davis X had some interesting observations on the migration of meaning behind the word republican. For him a modern Republican, he argues is essentially a monarchist
Anya
I wonder if he had any links to Dutch politician Geert Wilders who is ardently anti-Muslim/immigration. I doubt he would be a fan of the Atlas Shrugged lunacy, and not a bigot and a lunatic from his own backyard.
MikeJ
@Sly:
And they call it a religion of peace. Hah!
wrb
The owner of Europe v. Islam helpfully shows up in the comment to the post I quoted above to confirm my speculation.
In response to someone who suggested that the attack could set back nationalism in Norway:
Arguing for terrorism?
burnspbesq
@WaterGirl:
Yeah, I did. It’s a non-starter for me, because I don’t use a mouse. I’m getting used to clicking on the trackpad with my thumb and dragging with my index finger, but my thumb wants to fuck me with a rusty pitchfork. May have to get a trackball.
burnspbesq
@JGabriel:
If you don’t perceive a difference between Bruce Bartlett and Erick Erickson, then I don’t know that anything I can say can solve this problem for you.
JGabriel
@WaterGirl:
Thanks. As far as I know, I’ve been using a single period as a spacer at the end of my posts a lot longer than UCT has been here. I’m sorry for the association, but, really, it should be the other way around, and I don’t want to stop using my spacer (which is really very habitual at this point) simply because another commenter copied it in a much more exaggerated fashion.
Edited to Add: Honestly, I don’t mean for it to be some sort of signature. I’d be more than happy if more people adopted it, simply because it makes comments a little easier to read, IMO.
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Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal
i am only shocked that soccer wasn’t involved.
Danny
@86
Didn’t you smell scotsman when you typed that?
JGabriel
@Danny: Seconded.
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wazmo
STARTFOR’s initial analysis if it was a domestic right-winger:
wrb
Anya:
He was an admirer of Wilders. However, he also cited and linked to Atlas Shrugged and other American blogs. He admired The English Defense League.
He was a product of the right-wing internet, it looks to me.
As Zakalwe put it:
http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breiviks-comments-about.html
The Sheriff's A Ni-
You want to know who else is going there?
85 fucking kids died and not even 24 hours have passed before he’s tying it to the Awlaki bullshit.
Fucking clinical.
tomvox1
Fallows might also want to call out his colleague Jeff Goldberg for the same sin (commenting in haste and with a political agenda, aka talking out of your ass):
So, um, whoops, I guess?
Elie
As we all can tell, these are unsettled times across the globe — in some ways perhaps as distressed and dislocated as during the Depression or one of the World Wars. The established order is being challenged by “outsiders”, whether new populations with access to power, or the role of corporations being challenged by exposure to the light of what they have cost us. The ‘keepers” of the established order — many times certain groups of white people, see themselves as the guardians of that order and are taking a pretty much all or none, war like view of what to do. This is particularly true for the white wannabes — people who took their hegemony and rank from the reflected glory of their white betters. Suddenly, they feel alone and weak, their power threatenned and they are striking back.
This era will pass though who knows how long it will take to play out. These folks are raising H right here at home as you all know. Their ruthlessness and almost suicidal drive is pretty scary, but is evidence of their desperation and weakness. They are dangerous but we must surround them and continue to be calm but assertive — the way medical professionals deal with the dangerous mentally ill.
Frankensteinbeck
Lawman Blackity Black:
He’s a libertarian. He’s a classic, hardcore libertarian. The government is evil. Period. The government is always evil, whoever’s currently in charge is evil, whatever they’re doing is not merely wrong but evil, and it’s his job to tell everyone that loudly.
It’s his admitted political philosophy and it’s consistent with everything he writes.
burnspbesq
@the Sherrif’s a N:
What I’d like to know is whether reading Greenwald constitutes the criminal offense of material support of stupidity.
burnspbesq
OT, NYT is reporting that Amy Winehouse has died.
Danny
@98
Another one for the Forever 27 Club. A shame.
JGabriel
Zakalwe @ Islam Versus Europe (via wrb):
Shorter Zakalwe: Those damn social democrats made Breivik kill those kids! And the British better watch out or they’ll be next!
It’s almost like Zakalwe doesn’t know that using a violent attack to inculcate wider fears for political purposes is the very definition of terrorism.
Almost.
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trollhattan
@burnspbesq:
While I suppose “Amy Winehouse Dead at 27” may be the most unsurprising headline ever, I’m very sad she couldn’t turn it around. I thought she was quite talented.
On a lighter note: Aussie, Aussie, Aussie; Oi, Oi, Oi! Ride of a lifetime.
kindness
A Christian Fudamentalist with right wing tendencies. Wait, who are we talking about? Oh, for a minute there I thought it was Michelle Bachmann. But that would be
A Christian Fudamentalist with right wing Dominionist tendencies.
kay
Besides being inaccurate, it is..troubling (as people at the Washington Post might say) that Rubin was cheerily lobbying for increased defense spending and her political Party while the shooting was still going on.
Personally, I think a psychological screen is in order here. There’s something deeply wrong with her.
Maude
So, when does Pete King hold hearings?
RIP Amy
BruinKid
Since Charles Johnson cut off his ties with the Pam Geller crowd several years ago, I wondered what he would say about this. So going there, it seems Geller is desperately trying to avoid any connection to Breivik, and is instead trying to pass on blame to Johnson, based on ONE link to his site from Breivik, which Johnson pretty easily showed was pure bull from Geller.