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Good lord, these people are nuts.

Today in our ongoing national embarrassment…

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

Since we are repeating ourselves, let me just say fuck that.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

If you thought you’d already seen people saying the stupidest things possible on the internet, prepare yourselves.

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

The real work of an opposition party is to oppose.

The fight for our country is always worth it. ~Kamala Harris

We know you aren’t a Democrat but since you seem confused let me help you.

Tide comes in. Tide goes out. You can’t explain that.

I’m more christian than these people and i’m an atheist.

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. ~Thomas Jefferson

Sadly, media malpractice has become standard practice.

Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

An almost top 10,000 blog!

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

With all due respect and assumptions of good faith, please fuck off into the sun.

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  4. 4.

    ? Martin

    I’ll pony up the happy video. Check out surfing yesterday at the Wedge and the very cool board switch.

    Unfortunately, that’s the only water we have in the state right now, and we can’t drink it.

  5. 5.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Roger Moore: The theocrat paradise that is Saudi Arabia.

    The damn accent just adds on to the stereotype of the South being infested with vile creatures.

  8. 8.

    Dlw32

    As a Christian, this behavior is un recognizable to me. We are told to fill our hearts with love. We’re told to love people who hate us which, sinner that I am, I find hard to do with these parents. It’s vile and heart wrenching

  9. 9.

    scav

    I can’t but think of the loudly pious true ‘mercans anymore without visuals of the melting face from Raiders. They’re really revealing who they are in their very souls. Granted, I already knew as one of my best friends was disowned in a like fashion back in the 80s, but now we have visuals of them being themselves to their ‘dearest’ — and of cops being cops to tjose they ‘serve and protect’.

  10. 10.

    brashieel

    Well that was unpleasant.

    That said, I don’t get why he kept dragging out the confrontation.

  11. 11.

    JPL

    Did god speak to her cuz he certainly hasn’t spoken to me. I understand that folks read the bible but god didn’t write the bible, man did.

    also, too.. god sure does shit alot

  13. 13.

    Blue Stater

    Out from under what rock did these people crawl? Seriously, where’s this video from? Any information on the circumstances? From the accents, it sounds like Kentucky hill country.

  15. 15.

    Gene108

    Brave kid. Takes guts to stand up to that much hatred in your house and demand to be yourself.

    Hope he has better friends than family.

    Also find it pathetic his family is more worried about what people will think about them than any concern about what they are doing to their kid.

    P.S. I thought Christians, at some level, try to convert others, but there is so much hatred coming from this family that I bet the video will spawn more atheists, if anyone was going to make a choice about their religious beliefs.

    P.P.S. These are the hate filled rage monkeys the GOP has to appeal to for votes. Is it then any wonder they are as nihilistic as they are.

  17. 17.

    CaseyL

    @Blue Stater:

    Lots of details at Reddit. The kid’s name is Daniel, and he’s from Georgia. He’s safe: he and his boyfriend are staying with another friend until they get on their feet.

    The vid has gone viral, a fundraiser has been started, and has raised enough money for him to get a good start on his own.

    The parents are a horrowshow. Apparently what really bothered his mother was how her friends at church would react.

  19. 19.

    Aunt Kathy

    @Blue Stater: I clicked on over to the actual youtube page, looks like there is a crowdfunding thing up for him. These fine upstanding folks seem to hail from the great state of Georgia. Jesus.

  22. 22.

    SatanicPanic

    @raven: Damn! I was just thinking about how if Newport is that big it’s got to be at least decent down here in San Diego, but I was at work. And I’ve got plans for tomorrow. maybe saturday.

  25. 25.

    Soonergrunt

    This is not God. Nor is it of God. It is the behavior of psychologically and emotionally stunted individuals who have been taught and believe something very different from the beliefs that I was raised with.
    This is the 700 Club and Richard Land’s Southern Baptist Convention.

  26. 26.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @CaseyL: Well, the mother is going to get plenty of reaction from the Helen Lovejoys of the congregation now.

  28. 28.

    raven

    @SatanicPanic:

    FRIDAY: Marie swell shows better as it trends more Southerly. Small SW/S Southern Hemi swells continue. The better southerly exposed spots throughout North SD offer chest-shoulder-head high waves in the morning, while summer standouts produce occasional sets running a couple feet overhead at times. Select focal points in the far north county go larger.

  29. 29.

    Anne Laurie

    From the original YouTube site:

    A lot of people have asked about donations. A GoFundMe page has been set up to assist with living expenses. http://www.gofundme.com/dnoqgg

    A perfect example of how much hate and intolerance still exists today. This family gave a young man two options: attend a pray the gay away intervention, or face being disowned by the very people who are supposed to love him unconditionally.

    Disclaimer: This is a 19 year old friend of mine who is currently staying with very supportive friends. He is safe and removed from the situation. I am posting this on his behalf per his request. I was not witness to the events that transpired, but was present immediately after to help him relocate.

    If you must read comments, ignore the YT page, read the GoFundMe ones.

  30. 30.

    KG

    @raven: in the summer no boards, including body boards, are allowed once the guards show up. Before and after hours though, you can use a board. Off season you can use a board, but it’s usually flat and really cold

  34. 34.

    ? Martin

    @raven: Waves were coming from the south more. West facing beaches didn’t see much. Pt Hueneme got hit pretty hard.

    Board used to be banned but around 1990 boards were allowed I believe only during certain hours in summer, and in winter. That nearly changed a few months ago to allow boards more often, but the rules remained. The reality is that when there’s high surf, they put out swimming warnings anyway and so the boards come out because there are no swimmers to avoid.

    What they did change was the use of the fire pits over at big corona. No more fire wood – you can only burn charcoal now due to air quality issues. That was the compromise over removing the pits entirely, which is what the locals wanted – and why not, they paid 50 million for their home, why sully the view with assholes like me smoking it up.

  37. 37.

    raven

    @? Martin: I see, grew up in Whittier in the 50’s and early 60’s and we went to Huntington Beach State Park most of the time. I don’t even think the Wedge was there when I left sunny California!

    eta I guess Beer Can Beach was between Huntington and Newport.

  38. 38.

    KG

    Also, apparently the surf has been too much for the Long Beach breakwater, there’s been surf in long beach and it’s washed out part of the breakwater (thank ye gods)

  39. 39.

    KG

    @? Martin: wow, no wood in big carona? I miss doing Bon fires at the beach. Which is dumb since I live five blocks from the beach. But use to do them all the time in huntington in my wasted and misspent youth

  41. 41.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Baud: I’m assured by ISIS that He’s Muslim, of their particular subsect, and he fully approves of slaughtering infidels, apostates, and those who fail to convert on demand.

  42. 42.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @KG:

    But use to do them all the time in huntington in my wasted and misspent youth

    Ah, nostalgia!

  44. 44.

    Elmo

    OMG I can’t even. My folks were big time Goldwater Republicans, McCarthy was right, etc etc, but my Dad loved me enough to accept my partner as part of the family. (Mom was already gone, lung cancer took her when I was 24.)

    Money on its way.

    And San Diego peeps, pick up a nice set for me at North Mission, just south of the main lifeguard station at Grand. God I miss those waves.

  47. 47.

    scav

    @CaseyL: They and their parish can simply revel in, frolic in and enjoy their almighty persecution. It will draw them all together in fellowship.

  49. 49.

    KG

    @raven: ok, just reread my comment, didn’t mean endless summer was in the 30s… Two distinct thoughts that kinda ran together

  50. 50.

    raven

    @KG: After my folks split in the early 60’s my mom, sis and brother moved to Hawthorne and I moved to Chicago. My summers were spent in the South Bay. The Manhattan and Hermosa Piers mostly. Back then the Hermosa Biltmore was there but all but the basement closed. They had dudes like Dick Dale play there during the day.

    and yes, my sis went to HS with the Beach Boys

  52. 52.

    hilzoy

    I was a Christian for years. I don’t recognize this either. By which, obviously, I do not mean that I’ve never heard things like this coming out of the mouths of alleged Christians, but that I cannot see how to reconcile what they do with what the religion they claim to adhere to teaches. E.g., that we are to love one another as Christ loves us; that we should not judge lest we be judged; that as we are all sinners, looking down on other people as sinners is a bad idea. — I mean: think about Christ and the woman taken in adultery, or Christ and the Magdalene. The idea that genuine goodness lurks in places where judgmental people do not expect to find it, and that we must always be open to this, through love, is so central to the Gospels that it’s really hard to see how these people managed to miss it.

    And it surely cannot be because they themselves are the exceptions to the rule that we are all sinners. Because they are so obviously not.

  54. 54.

    ? Martin

    @KG: Charcoal is okay, and there is a lot less smoke that way. Ms Martin and I were responsible for organizing a group of about 500 for the fire pits last week – half teenagers. Loud, singing, doing teenager things, cooking hotdogs and smores over the fire pits – pretty fun, but I know the neighbors just hate it. Getting the amount of smoke down must help a fair bit. You can still do wood at HB, but that may not last. The neighbors were smart and took the issue to the Air Quality Mgmt District. That was a smart move.

  57. 57.

    raven

    @? Martin: When I was a kid we took big burlap bags to HBSP and collected coke bottles for the deposit. We also surfed on mats, yellow and blue. They tore your nipples up if you didn’t wear a tshirt. Is the power plant still across the road?

  58. 58.

    Baud

    @hilzoy:

    cannot see how to reconcile what they do with what the religion they claim to adhere to teaches. E.g., that we are to love one another as Christ loves us; that we should not judge lest we be judged; that as we are all sinners, looking down on other people as sinners is a bad idea.

    Meh. I’ve heard it reconciled thousands of times. All that applies only to sinners who accept Jesus as their savior. Those who do not have chosen to reject Christ and are therefore properly outcast.

    I’m not saying it’s historically or theologically accurate. But it’s not hard to imagine how they reconcile their beliefs with their actions.

  59. 59.

    JPL

    A friend mentioned that her niece was in a quandary because her son’s best friend at pre-school had two moms.
    OMG, the horror. The nieces solution was for the son to tell the other four year old, that her bible said they shouldn’t play together. I was shocked and looked at my friend and said the mature thing to do would be to call the moms and say I’m a bigot.
    The reason I want there to be a hell is so those folk can burn in it.

  60. 60.

    Villago Delenda Est

    I just love how during the last third of the clip all pretension of being Christian is lost in a torrent of hatred.

  61. 61.

    Diana

    I’m really impressed with this kid, who taped it precisely because he knew what reaction he was in for. And I gotta admit I love Cole’s editorial reaction.

    Anyhow, my two cents is I was a Classics major, Latin in high school, Greek only in college …. so to introduce everyone who knows golden-age-era (Augustan) Latin majors to Greek, we’d read the New Testament. This is because it’s easy Greek (try Sappho if you’d like difficult Greek) and written with an eye to, and therefore an appeal to, native Latin speakers.

    So now whenever I’m arguing with Christian fundies (rare in my life, I admit) and they say they know the Word of God, I look them in the eye and I tell them I’ve read the four Gospels in the original Greek; have they?

    They never have, not a one.

    And I can tell you there’s nothing, but nothing, in those four gospels of the New Testament that says, in any way, shape or form, that homosexuality is wrong.

    (Now there is a historical explanation for this: Christ preached at the time of the early Roman empire, when Hellenistic culture with its explicit and somewhat misogynist embrace of homosexuality was so widespread that it would never had occurred to any popular preacher to denigate it, much as I don’t think any politician or preacher today would say they thought segregation was a wonderful idea, but it’s completely lost on the fundies the fact that at the time Christ preached nobody objected to homosexuality. And the writers of the Gospels were, if nothing else, interested in converting the gentiles. The last thing on their minds would have been imputing to their God anything that would have hindered the spread of the acceptance of their creed across the Roman Empire that didn’t matter to the actual teachings, so even if any of the apostles said anything there’s a reason it never would have made it into the Gospels.)

  64. 64.

    JCT

    @raven: Used to go fishing with my dad off the Huntington Beach pier all the time! Keep trying to get my son to explore of the old piers besides Santa Monica.

  65. 65.

    KG

    @raven: the refinery is still there and there’s still the warm spot from the underwater vent

    @? Martin: well newport and cdm have houses right on the beach, same for Laguna. But Huntington really doesn’t so hopefully wood will survive there.

  66. 66.

    ShadeTail

    I have to ask, are we sure the clip is real? It could possibly be staged by someone trying to play on our sympathies.

  67. 67.

    raven

    @JCT: You read about the guy chumming off of the Manhattan Beach Pier? He hooked a shark and it bit the shit out of one of the guys swimming from the Hermosa Pier? I took one of the headboats out of Redondo. We went out off PV and got bait and then parked by the tanker right off the LAX runway. We slaughtered the black bass that day.

  70. 70.

    PurpleGirl

    @Soonergrunt: And let’s remember that the Southern Baptist Convention formed as a break-away protest to American Baptists over SLAVERY. The Southern Baptist Convention was FOR slavery.

  72. 72.

    JCT

    @raven: Yes – I heard about that shark, sounds like the fisherman got it all riled up and it chomped that guy!

    My dad *loved* fishing down there, towards the end of his life he had this old diesel trawler that he turned into his fishing/houseboat – kept it at Seal Beach. Those were the days. He loved it so much down there that we scattered his ashes off of the PV – true story!

  77. 77.

    Diana

    @PurpleGirl: to be completely fair to the fundies, there was no more of an abolitionist impulse in the ancient world than there was a movement to criminalize homosexuality. Both of these things are completely modern.

    Now, if you found out that kid’s two moms believe that the Son was “like in substance” but not necessarily to be identified with the essence of the Father, or whether he was born vs. begotten, or some other theological definition of the nature of Christ’s divinity, you can say that this kid should not play with that kid, and have more than enough Gospel material, Church fathers, and letters to various early Christian denominations to back you up.

    But homosexuality and slavery?

    Neither ever even came up as a topic that should concern anyone who called themselves Christian. Not until the 18th century at the earliest. Really.

  78. 78.

    steve from Antioch

    I ain’t no theologian or nothing, but I don’t think that Jesus, or even baby Jesus, would want to seek people shot in the head with an Uzi – even if they were homophobic morons.

  80. 80.

    PurpleGirl

    @Diana: It has nothing to do with the Bible or theology. The Southern Baptist Convention was formed by congregations that believed in the rights of states to have slavery. It was purely a political stance. That’s why “Southern”.

  82. 82.

    gbear

    My experience with coming out to my family was much better than this (although I was also much older), but the whole time I was driving over to my parents house I was imagining how horribly it could go and that I may never be welcome at home again. You kind of have to be prepared for that when you come out to your parents.

    I haven’t even considered watching that video. I just don’t have the stomach for that kind of hatred, rage and hurt.

  83. 83.

    Mnemosyne

    @gbear:

    My brother-in-law came out in a letter to his parents and it turned out that what his mother was most angry about was that he ‘fessed up to lying about going to classes at community college. Yeah, yeah, gay, whatever — what do you mean you weren’t really taking classes at Triton?

    (This was the early 1990s, FWIW, when things rapidly started to change.)

  84. 84.

    gbear

    @Mnemosyne: The thing that made me mad is that all of my sisters just went ‘Yea, we kind of thought so’ and I was pissed that I’d wasted so much time hiding it. Why hadn’t someone bothered to clue me in that it wasn’t my deep dark secret?

    My dad had a friend with a gay son so dad was giving me all kinds of gay advice for a while. It would have been funny if it hadn’t been so weird.

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    @gbear:

    That was apparently the reaction my BIL got — basically, Huh, that makes sense. His sister was unmarried and pregnant by an ex-convict at the time, so most of the high drama in the family was being used up by that.

  88. 88.

    Mnemosyne

    @gbear:

    G and I are now cracking each other up by picturing your sisters pulling you aside and saying, Have you ever considered that you might be gay? Give it a try, let us know how it goes.

  89. 89.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @gbear: Hell, my one very hetero discussion of sex with my father – on the way to a fishing trip – consisted of my dad saying that, if two people are both willingly doing stuff, it can be extremely pleasurable. That’s it nearly word for word.

    ETA: He wasn’t wrong. I’ve given him shit about it since then, and he just asks if he was wrong. The answer is no.

  90. 90.

    gbear

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): This is awful, but it gives you a clue why I wouldn’t come out to the family for a long time: The one hetero discussion that I had with my dad while we were installing some sheetrock in the basement was him snarling ‘You just make sure you keep your pecker in your pants until you finish college!’. This was from a guy who’d quit high school to join the navy for WW2 (and had really lousy, abusive parenting skills). I was completely floored and was thinking to myself that if he knew who I really was I’d be mincemeat.

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @gbear: I am very privileged not to have had to deal with any of those issues or anxieties.

    ETA: OTOH your dad seems to have stepped up and handled things rather well once you came out.

  92. 92.

    Mnemosyne

    @gbear:

    What he probably meant was, Don’t get anyone pregnant! He was probably weirdly relieved to find out that wasn’t going to happen.

  93. 93.

    balconesfault

    If that dad could repress his own sexuality for that long and live with that woman, I can see why he would have so much rage built up when his son tried to prove you don’t have to live in the closet …

  94. 94.

    gbear

    @Mnemosyne: Yea, I’m sure that’s what he meant. I kind of killed off the dynasty though because I was the only son. I had 4 sisters. There are no grandkids with my father’s last name.

    It was pretty funny the first time I brough a boyfriend over for a family dinner. One of my sisters had already had him as a teacher at the U of M so she already liked him. At one point after the meal I put my arm onto the back of his chair. Many YEARS later I found out that everyone at the table had freaked out when I did that (we’re Minnesotans so not a milisecond of freakout went public). Being gay was much better on paper than it was in person…

  95. 95.

    seaboogie

    @brashieel: I get why he kept dragging it out….he was being banished by for something beyond his control by idiot parents, and standing strong in who he is….that’s kind of a big issue.

    Kind of like telling the “blahs” that they just need to be respectful of the police and everything will be just fine. And the black guy in St. Paul MN who got arrested for sitting on a public bench for ‘loitering’ while he waited for his kids to get out of school – he called them on it – and good for him! That’s the real “stand your ground”.

  96. 96.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @gbear: it is possible that the freakout was at a public display of affection of any orientation. It was Minnesota FFS.

  97. 97.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @seaboogie: There is also the possibility that he was dragging it out in the forlorn hope that decency might win through.

  101. 101.

    Matt Smith

    I’m a horrible person. I know this because I loved the closing line of this post, awful as it was.

  102. 102.

    Anne Laurie

    @gbear: You may have heard this one before:

    What’s the difference between a gay bar and an Irish pub?

    Gays go to the bar to get drunk; drunks go to the pub to get gay.

    (Told to me by my lipstick baby sister. Out of six siblings, tally stands at two committed drunks, two-and-a-half gays, and one old-school celibate teetotaller…)

  103. 103.

    eric

    This really makes one want to rethink the whole New Deal. I mean, these people were given the modern convenience of electricity, helping more of them survive childhood and continue their flawed line into the 21st century. All on the taxpayer’s fine. Talk about the law of unintended consequences…

  104. 104.

    Chet

    In the past I’ve seen progressives (including, I believe, some on this very blog) expressing the cute idea that it would be a Very Good Thing if every homophobic talibangelical couple turned out to have a gay kid, either as karmic punishment or because that would supposedly teach them understanding of and compassion toward teh gay.

    Incidents like this show why that isn’t nearly the positive scenario some people think it is. Because it’s not only, or even primarily, the parents that get punished.

  105. 105.

    Dukesirius

    @Soonergrunt: late to this party, but I just had to drop in and thank you bringing the No True Scotsman fallacy out lickety split. Every single person out there thinks that their stupid religious interpretation is the right one, and every single person is wrong. Being beholden to a vague, contradictory book written before humanity had completely figured out the “don’t poop near the water” idea has to be the single stupidest holdover from the toddler-hood of our species.

    Scientific proof trumps the word of god every single time, just like this brave kid said before getting beaten up by people who are just as sure that their beliefs are right.

    But hey, whatever, right? Not like every mushy don’t-listen-to-that-part-I-don’t-like “Christian” is essentially giving cover to these lunatics, right? Sure. Sure.

  107. 107.

    someofparts

    Good thing I didn’t watch that at work. Damn thing drove me to tears.

    Just stepped into comments to share a related bit of cheerful information.

    If that young man is in Georgia, I’m betting he is in Atlanta. The gay community here is very big and very active. He has a large, wonderful, welcoming community here. He will be loved and protected going forward.

  108. 108.

    evodevo

    @Blue Stater: That’s NOT a Ky. accent, but I work with three women who could easily be interchanged with this mother. Winger Xtians hate the gay, and CANNOT/WILL NOT understand. Not a surprise to me.

  110. 110.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    Big sets at both Swami’s and Cardiff and I’m inside doing dawn patrol on a bunch of computers. Cannot wait to get out this afternoon.

  111. 111.

    c u n d gulag

    Well, that certainly went well…
    Oy.
    “Christians,” who know nothing about Christ and his teaching of love, peace, acceptance, and forgiveness.

  112. 112.

    Original Lee

    @Diana: I have heard a theory that the word usually translated as “homosexual” is really a word used for people who do not have any adult relationships but instead prey on children (different from pedophilia, which apparently was OK as a side interest). Is this accurate?

  113. 113.

    Elie

    From teaching your children to shoot guns at human shaped targets to all hatred of other humans who aren’t just like you — this country is really a sad sad place and I am very concerned about our future.

    Who does this to their child?

    Who takes their 9 year old out to a shooting range to shoot at human shaped targets?
    What life work is this training their child to do? What vision do they have for the country their little girl will be living in? What is with this militarization of our society and of course the necessary hate of the other that propels that militarization? What has happened to us?

    Then we have bunches of parents not getting their children immunized against preventable diseases but apparently fearful that ebola is a threat in the US. Where is all this fear and distrust of science and information coming from? Its like we are in another dark age….

  114. 114.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @CaseyL:

    The parents are a horrowshow. Apparently what really bothered his mother was how her friends at church would react.

    First of all, with that kid’s voice, I can’t imagine she didn’t see this coming a mile away. Maybe she was hoping her son was another Todd Chrisley. ;-)

    Amazing to think that if she’d just been a decent, tolerant person, no one at church would probably have ever said a damn thing. Now the ladies at church are gonna freakin’ LOVE this.

    And hey, how about Big Daddy or Grampa or Bruddah or whoever the male voice was calling the kid “you’re a damn queer you fucking dick!!!” while he’s assaulting him. AWESOME!

    I’m just waiting to hear the ensuing story of the lengths these hypocrites are going to go to try and get a piece of the 59K in the kid’s GoFundMe account.

  115. 115.

    Paul in KY

    @hilzoy: The POSes in that video are more akin to Orthodox Jews than they are to actual Christianity (as formulated by Jesus).

  116. 116.

    Paul in KY

    @Diana: If they are not looking to Leviticus, then tghey are looking to Romans.

    Lot of scholars debate the meaning of ‘lay with’ in those passages. Many feel they only mean battlefield & unwilling rape & not a consensual relationship.

  117. 117.

    Heliopause

    If this is God’s idea of Christian behavior, God sucks:

    Don’t know about this God fellow, but St. Paul certainly felt it was. Consult 1 Corinthians chapters 5, 6, &7, also Romans 16, verses 17-18. Okay, Paul probably wouldn’t have approved of the physical scuffling part, but even Jesus lost his temper now and then: John 2, verses 13-17.

  118. 118.

    shortstop

    The name of the stepmother (she of screeching profanity, swinging fists and, presumably, meth addiction) is Susan Highfield Pierce, and she had a page on this site until this morning. I note it’s gone now. When an organization this lowbrow and low-rent disowns you for being a crazy homophobe, American attitudes toward being LGBT really are changing for the better. That’s the only good news in this story.

  119. 119.

    Death Panel Truck

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    “Pick up the phone, say, ‘Look, I just prayed with that guy on TV, I prayed with Pat, I gave my heart to the Lord,'” he advised.

    And then they’ll ask for a donation, because we know what Pat’s God really is.

  120. 120.

    Gex

    I’ve just about had it with the No True Scotsman, this isn’t Christianity take on people and attitudes like this.

    Christianity rejected homosexuals from day one. All of Christianity until just recently have believed we are sinners. Twenty years ago hardly anyone was on our side. Ten years ago some started changing. Now were at about 50-50 on the issue.

    The fact remains that the majority of Christians who exist now and the vast majority of Christians who ever existed have/had these attitudes. And the ones who don’t have it now had to be convinced by a hard, painful, deadly fight by us gays.

    But somehow, this isn’t Christianity. The minority of Christians and Christian history is more representative of Christianity than the other 99% of all Christians/history. Got it.

    It is fair to say Christianity is changing. It isn’t fair to say that isn’t Christian. The only difference between now and years ago is the kid sticks up for himself instead of killing himself or caving in and suffering the rest of his life as an ex-gay.

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