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Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

Usually wrong but never in doubt

This really is a full service blog.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

We still have time to mess this up!

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

… pundit janitors mopping up after the GOP

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

I’d try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

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I’m assuming that the Freedom Caucus will get Trump to cave in completely to their demands on AHCA, even if those demands make it impossible for the Senate to pass it without a filibuster. I’d like to think that at a certain point, these turn off the GOP moderates. Maybe that’s starting to happen:

The Republican push to replace Obamacare – backed forcefully by President Donald Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan —is in jeopardy, as a last-ditch bid by the White House to win conservative support late Wednesday appeared to repel moderates.

Moderate Republicans huddled with Speaker Paul Ryan and House leaders for nearly two hours Wednesday night but emerged without consensus. Immediately after exiting the meeting, Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), leader of the House’s moderate Tuesday Group, panned the bill, known as the American Health Care Act.

“After careful deliberation, I cannot support the bill and will oppose it,” Dent said in a statement upon leaving the meeting. “I believe this bill, in its current form, will lead to the loss of coverage and make insurance unaffordable for too many Americans, particularly for low-to-moderate income and older individuals.”

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  1. 1.

    craigie

    Can we ban the phrase “moderate Republican” from the lexicon? We might as well be talking about flying unicorns at this point.

  3. 3.

    Yarrow

    “I believe this bill, in its current form, will lead to the loss of coverage and make insurance unaffordable for too many Americans, particularly for low-to-moderate income and older individuals.”

    WTF? That’s the kind of thing Democrats say.

  4. 4.

    BBA

    I’m going to renew my prediction of this thing passing by 3 AM voice vote with no quorum. It’s become too big to fail.

  5. 5.

    smintheus

    “After careful deliberation, I cannot support the bill and will oppose it,” Dent said …”

    After toting up all the angry messages he received, Dent announced their results. FTFY

  6. 6.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @amk: a caucus of one? the magic number is 23, right?

    this is a surprise

    Justin Amash‏Verified account @ justinamash 37m37 minutes ago
    Repealing EHB, w/out making other substantial changes, would make the bill worse, not better. It would hurt the sickest people on exchanges.

  7. 7.

    efgoldman

    @amk:

    There is a moderate caucus in gop ?

    Apparently the Villagers think so.
    The Villagers think a lot of wrong things.

  8. 8.

    BlueDWarrior

    I figure they will find a way to pass something out of the House; God knows what that does to passing it via reconciliation in the Senate.

  10. 10.

    smintheus

    @Yarrow: Only a few days ago, Dent was saying that one of the things he liked about the bill was that it rolled back mandates and cut back on subsidies. The guy is a faux moderate because his district used to be and to some degree still is middle of the road in its politics.

  11. 11.

    efgoldman

    @Yarrow:

    That’s the kind of thing Democrats say.

    Also the kind of thing that politicians who’s state has five times the number of people on ACA and medicaid than Shitgibbon’s winning margin, and would like to be re-elected.

  13. 13.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    hmmm…..

    Josh Barro‏Verified account @ j barro 14s15 seconds ago
    Some Freedom Caucus members say repealing EHBs isn’t enough, they also want to repeal pre-existing condition rules.

    I guess if you’re a far right Republican, you can always find some way any bill is too far to the left. Maybe McConnell really is shoving this back on Ryan.

  14. 14.

    Kay

    @DavidCornDC 2h2 hours ago
    Poll: 19% believe Trump told truth re Obama wiretapping him. That, ladies & gents, is the core. 1 of 5 will believe anything Trump says.

    We have a new number! No more 27%. I feel like the country can bear 19% crazy. That’s manageable.

  20. 20.

    socraticsilence

    David Young of Iowa is apparently a “No” now after the last few days of concessions to the Freedom Caucus:

  21. 21.

    Mnemosyne

    @amk:

    Okay, either one of those polls has to be wrong, or they’re asking different questions, because 70 points is one hell of a margin of error.

  22. 22.

    different-church-lady

    @Kay: We still have quite a problem here — when combined with the recent Gallup poll, it means 20% think he lied but continue to approve anyway.

  23. 23.

    cain

    My twitter feed seems to be on fire from women’s rights groups.. one of them said that the bill forces women to get a job 8 weeks after giving birth or lose medcaid. This is because they believe that only blah’s and latinas don’t work after giving birth. Cripes. We are fucked. (I haven’t seen evidence of this.. looking to see that before going full bore outrage)

  24. 24.

    Fair Economist

    @amk:

    There is a moderate caucus in gop ?

    Last year I saw somebody say there were two left – Dent and Peter King. Admittedly, you need a really loose definition of “moderate” to include Peter King.

  25. 25.

    TenguPhule

    @Fair Economist:

    Admittedly, you need a really loose definition of “moderate” to include Peter King.

    The Republican version of moderate is the one who thinks the rape victim should at least be of age before raping her to death.

  26. 26.

    pattonbt

    I still think they’ll all cave and pass some sort of shit sandwich. But the R’s have always been in a quandary on this. Truth is, none of them want the entitlement at all. But the entitlement is now there. And one part of the R party wants to be extremely and overtly cruel while the rest want to be stealth cruel. And given none of them wanted any health care entitlement to begin with – once Boss Tweet said “we’ll get you the bestest, cheapest, most amazing healthcare in place of O Care ever AND no one will lose coverage” they were all dead. Trump, as with all things he touches, bankrupted them (and he’ll skate).

    It’s just f’ing pathetic to see what is happening. The bill put forth is cruel and harmful (thank god for the CBO) and the reason it wont get through a friendly House, Senate and Presidency is that it is not cruel and harmful enough.

  28. 28.

    JGabriel

    Politico via DougJ @ Top:

    “After careful deliberation, I cannot support the bill and will oppose it,” [Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.)] said in a statement upon leaving the meeting. “I believe this bill, in its current form, will lead to the loss of coverage and make insurance unaffordable for too many Americans, particularly for low-to-moderate income and older individuals.”

    Of course it will, Charlie. That’s the intent. What part of being Republican do you not understand?

  29. 29.

    Emily68

    Frank LoBiondo, of NJ’s 2nd district, says he’ll vote against it. I don’t live in NJ and I have no idea if he’s a nut-case guy or not, but I think he predates the tea party. This is part of his post on Facebook:

    My prior votes to repeal all or parts of Obamacare underscore what I have long argued – we need a better healthcare system. Regrettably, the current healthcare proposal is not better for South Jersey.
    Under the current proposal, many South Jersey residents would be left with financial hardship or without the coverage they now receive. Our seniors on Medicare already struggle to make each dollar stretch. Three South Jersey counties have more than 30 percent of their residents receiving Medicaid assistance. Medical professionals – our hospitals, doctors, nurses – are opposed.
    I appreciate Vice President Pence, Speaker Ryan and the House Republican leadership for considering these serious concerns during our recent meetings on this proposal. Unfortunately, the changes outlined do not go far enough to address key and vital issues I have on the bill’s impact on residents and businesses in South Jersey. Simply put, this bill does not meet the standards of what was promised; it is not as good as or better than what we currently have. Accordingly, I will vote no on this healthcare plan.

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