Matt’s not my favorite, but he’s right about this. Here’s a long-winded Columbia Journalism Review piece agonizing over the ethics of publishing the supposedly hacked emails supposedly obtained from the Trump campaign.
I guess if a media outlet feels like they’re being “ethical” by having “higher standards” in 2024 than they did in 2016, well, they can enjoy their moral superiority for a few days. These are the same people who revel in picking the peanuts out of Trump’s verbal diarrhea while holding the Harris/Walz campaign to a much higher standard, so their moral superiority doesn’t feel very superior to me.
But the bottom line on all this is that the emails are going to get out because the hackers will leak them to someone who will publish them, probably sooner or later.
oldster
“…are doing the bidding of America’s enemies….”
On the contrary: anyone who helps us to defeat Trump is acting as a friend of America.
Now — the hackers may be bad people who are not in fact America’s friends (e.g. the Iranians). They may not actually be helping us to defeat Trump — the email hack may be another piece of kayfabe that is designed to help him instead (e.g. if it’s a Russian op).
But if they genuinely reduce the chances of Trump’s gaining power again, then they are helping America.
cain
@oldster:
I think Iran thinks that with Trump in power that he’ll do something stupid with them or join with Israel etc.
He already blew up the nuclear deal with Iran. Mostly to spite Obama.
rikyrah
Um…
Suzanne
LAWL.
Yglesias is correct, but “chump” is too nice a word.
Old School
If only it was Russia who had them to release.
Soprano2
IMHO it’s disgusting how they’ve just sat on all that. If it were Biden or Harris you know they would react differently. They are so in the tank for TCFG it’s not funny. I can’t believe there aren’t any juicy or interesting things in there.
BTW, off-topic, the urologist put my hubby on Cipro! I talked to a nurse about it, and she said it’s a good antibiotic and he should be OK. Then I talked to his pharmacist (the one I like who used to be an Army medic) and he reassured me that the problem with tendons is about younger people who are still growing. The warnings that come with that drug are scary – stuff about how your tendons can swell and rupture, it’s not recommended for anyone over 60 (!), and it’s problematic if you have kidney problems and diabetes (!) The nurse and pharmacist both told me that him taking a 10-day course should be fine, and I’m trying hard to convince myself that it’s true. I hate being nervous about all of this. What worries me is that he’s not necessarily a good reporter of his own problems. This morning when I gave him his meds he stretched his legs and said “ouch”, then it took about 10 questions to pin down what the pain felt like (I have to think about blood clots too, since he has a-fib. He does take a blood thinner, but that’s not 100% sure). He’s not used to having to tell me about stuff like that, he thinks I’m worrying about nothing (I probably am, but still I have to be diligent). Sorry, I just needed to vent a little of the anxiety. If anyone here has had any experience with this drug please let me know.
Tony Jay
Hah. Ethics? Pull the other one, Villagers, it’s erogenous.
The process they can follow has these initial steps.
1) Go.
2) F##k Yourselves.
Try that a few times until you really get the hang of it.
On the same lines, Margaret Sullivan (wasn’t she the old FTFNYT public editor?) has a piece in the FTF Guardian in which she tells Kamala Harris that she simply must go forth and give interviews to the Media, on the grounds that the Media are the eyes, ears and voice of ‘The People’.
Suffice to say, 99.9% of the responses disagree with her on a number of levels. No one trusts the corporate media anymore.
matt
Well, you can’t treat a great man like Donald Trump the same as a common criminal like Hillary Clinton.
cain
@rikyrah: an interesting perspective I had not thought about. But he has not acted on it. He can’t really get rid of him now though.
Kay
OMG. They don’t have to be scared of him anymore! He’s losing.
Their employers should all mandate counseling when we’re finally rid of Trump. He has broken reporters and media. They’re absolutely scared shitless of him.
Mousebumples
Quick drive by reminder that Wisconsin has a primary election today. Please vote NO (if you’re in Wisconsin) or ask/remind friends and family to vote NO on the Constitutional Amendments.
Splitting Image
Any notion the media may have that they have “higher standards” here is a lie. They have different standards, that’s all.
Bill Clinton infidelity vs Donald Trump infidelity.
Joe Biden old vs Donald Trump old.
Hillary Clinton emails vs Donald Trump emails.
They allow Republicans to get away with shit. That’s all. Police officers often let a white kid caught with drugs off with a warning when they’d send a black kid to prison for 20 years for the same offense. This is no different. The news media regard themselves as the police force regulating the behaviour of politicians, and behave accordingly.
cain
@Tony Jay: Harris should be safely ignore DC press. But should definitely lean into local newspapers/radio/tiktok, instagram, youtube influencers in the local area.
Essentially helping their viewership and giving new content. Ignoring the DC media will be fun. Can’t wait for her to snub the NYT when she’s in New York.
JaySinWA
I don’t think the campaign is wrong about this. What ever the source of the documents, be it Iran, Roger Stone or someone else in the campaign trying to dump Vance, they are likely America’s enemy.
It doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be published. But the motivation of the leaker and the selective nature of the leak does mean that needs to be considered before just dumping whatever they get.
Cheryl from Maryland
@Soprano2: both my spouse and I got hives on our tongue after taking Cipro for two days. I had started my course of treatment (for pneumonia) on a Friday, so the doctor gave me her weekend number just in case. Hives showed up Saturday night.
Kay
It’s not a “standard” unless it applies across the board and consistently. No one should allow them to use the word “standard” regarding their work.
This is just the flip side of how they treated Clinton. It’s favorable treatment.
These people are just lost. They don’t even know what words mean anymore.
cain
@Splitting Image:
Let’s not forget bipartisanship – expectations of reaching out to the GOP but not the other way around. Making concessions to the GOP party but not the other way around.
It’s always funny when a Dem becomes popular, there is always a few editorials from Republicans demanding, cajoling, or doing “wouldn’t be neat?” to get the Dem to incorporate a GOP into their cabinet and so on. This has never really panned out. Comey being #1.
cain
@Kay:
It’s not him, it’s his army of violent extremists. Hell, Joe Rogan had to backtrack. They all backtrack because of the voluminous amount of hate through bot farms, local crazies, and so on. They are all scared of him because of these assholes.
Mr. Bemused Senior
As with the GOP, he [Trump] didn’t break it [them] himself, he just took advantage of the already broken state.
KrackenJack
@Soprano2:
My urologist did the same. Made for a somewhat paranoid two weeks. I backed off on my usual exercise. No bad side effects for me, but you are right to be wary. Hope it all turns out okay.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
Our Media Betters live by:
IOKIYAR
Every. Damned. Day.
It’s the same mindset that allows the Never Trumpers to continue selling the current GQP as some bizzaro occurance that suddenly popped into existence in 2016, instead of what they really are: the natural and predictable end-state of where the GOP has been heading for +50 years.
sdhays
@rikyrah: It seems that there was some kind of hack, but that doesn’t mean that the actual hack has anything to do with the documents being shopped around.
I’m still wondering if what’s in those documents are a part of what’s made the media more cautious or if it’s just 100% because they’re in the tank for Trump. Possibly something to do with legal cases and they’re concerned about making judges mad? Or they’re just more “ethical” with Trumpy Dump.
Baud
Has any media not publishing the information explained why they’re not publishing the information? Surely they aren’t ethically prevented from doing that.
Kay
@cain:
Then they should get a different job. Press all over the world work in dangerous conditions. They created this monster. Covering facts about him is the least they can do while everyone else saves their sorry asses.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I agree. But only responsible outlets. No 24 hour broadcast networks or any of the nationally circulated newspapers. Fill a press room with real journos from local outlets and independents who will actually ask questions of significance to voters.
The right wing press thrives on access and engagement. Politicians can deny them the former, we can deny them the latter.
$8 blue check mistermix
@Tony Jay:
Yeah, she was the public editor until they realized how good she was at taking apart their bullshit.
Jeff Jarvis, who usually agrees with her, is disagreeing vehemently: bsky.app/profile/jeffjarvis.bsky.social/post/3kzludokkg22g
Scout211
Breaking news: First Arizona and now Missouri!
Baud
@Scout211:
It’s too bad Ohio jumped the gun.
scav
They gave up remote diagnosis of mental acuity at about the same instant. The sudden inflorescence of ethical righteousness!
Baud
Robert at AOL dot com must be besides himself.
Kay
@cain:
I’m a Democratic committee person in a 75% Trump county. I’ve had bricks lobbed into my office window. I got an implied threat from an anti choicer stuck to my car door, where the handle is. I know how dangerous they can be. Those ordinary poll workers in Georgia who were terrorized by Donald Trump cultists? We’re all aware of the threat.
MattF
@Soprano2: I was given Cipro when I had my bladder stone surgery. Seems to be a standard with urologists. The big no-no with Cipro is Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (a connective tissue issue)— it so happens (sigh) that I have Ehlers-Danlos, but got away with the Cipro dose without any damage. So, from my point of view, Cipro turned out to be even safer than expected.
Baud
First interview should be with the Cleveland Plain Dealer!
rodwell
The suppose vetting material on JV Vance was dated February 23, 2024. It was a compilation of his public statements. Just preliminary vetting of a potential candidate. It would be interesting to see what the campaign knew about JV prior to a more detailed and in-depth vetting, when they were really vetting VP candidates. If all the stuff coming out now about JV was known in February, I wonder what else will be surfacing in the fall. You got to know that the Harris/Walz has been investigating JV.
Soprano2
@Kay: I know, isn’t it crazy? He gets special treatment like no other candidate – for example, numerous people have commented on how some outlets seem to have cleaned up his slurring in the Musk interview. They made sure to put every one of Biden’s “um” and “uh’s” in the transcript of his interviews! Please try to tell me they don’t have a thumb on the scale.
Subsole
@rikyrah:
Yeah.
Still waiting for someone, somewhere to point out that the champion of the “kill all the transes for the children” party had Jeff Epstein on friggin’ speed dial.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Scout211:
kff.org/womens-health-policy/dashboard/ballot-tracker-status-of-abortion-related-state-constitutiona…
That brings it 8 states definite, 2 more pending verification of signatures and some dumbass stuff in Arkansas where the SoS denied it and the proponents took him to court (so still pending).
I sure hope this helps drive turnout.
Soprano2
@Cheryl from Maryland: Good to know to watch for that!
Kay
@cain:
They slowed down traffic on a state route for a twenty miles stretch by running one of their stupid caravans over two lanes. Pure dominance move. It was to intimidate people immediately prior to the election. The county sheriff did nothing.
Soprano2
@KrackenJack: That’s how I feel right now, paranoid. I don’t think his leg pain has anything to do with Cipro, but I still need to monitor it by asking him how it feels. *sigh
oldster
@Kay:
Yikes. Maybe Cole doesn’t like it when people say it to him, but I want to thank you for your service. A lot of weaker people would give up, and you are courageous to persevere.
JustRuss
Pity our poor media execs. On the one hand, they don’t want to hurt Trump or anger Republicans by exposing the hacked docs. On the other hand…those precious clicks. If I don’t do it, someone else will, and they’ll get all the clicks.
I hope those bastards are losing a lot of sleep over this.
M31
I was wondering whatever happened to all the NYT journalists and editors assigned to the Hunter Biden beat, but then I realized it only took one person to do it all, by receiving press releases from the GOP and then printing them.
Soprano2
@Scout211: That’s great news! I think they got more than twice the number of signatures to prevent the Republicans from ratfucking the effort. They tried to hard to keep it off the ballot!
Subsole
@Kay:
Oh that ain’t fear.
They like him. They want him to win. Literally nothing else makes sense.
Kay
@Soprano2:
If they really don’t cover Donald Trump because they are afraid of his supporters they should all turn in their credentials. Have they noticed we all live with his supporters?
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Kay: Casual terrorism every day by Republicans but Tim Walz referenced a rumor that Vance fucked a couch, so…BOTH SIDES!
West of the Rockies
@JaySinWA:
“Russia, if you’re listening…”
Ugly fucker has earned every dirty trick ever being played on him.
rikyrah
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
clap clap clap clap
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Kay:
Kind of ironic, given what their area of professional competence is supposed to be.
Watching the American political media at work these days is like watching a cobbler stick his bare feet into the mouths of a pair of live animals and having the audacity to call them “shoes”. OK, yeah, sure bud, whatever. Good luck with walking around looking like that, with your interesting choice of footwear.
Bobby Thomson
@rikyrah: This. He’ll send it to Maggie
ssdd
@Splitting Image: yup, yup, yup, all of this.
zhena gogolia
@Soprano2:Deleted because I’m not a doctor! I’m sorry you have to deal with this.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@rikyrah: Thanks. Hell, that should be the policy for the White House Press Secretary too.
Subsole
@Kay:
Yeah. I don’t think Joe Rogan is scared of anything but losing his audience of meatheads and assholes.
These people aren’t scared. They’re lazy, and greedy.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: In 2004, anti-gay marriage ballot measures in states across the nation helped drive turnout to re-elect Dubya.
I can only imagine that these “protect abortion rights” measures will help drive turnout on our side, especially in our post-Dobbs environment.
“When we fight, we win!”
Tony Jay
Harris touring the country giving full-on interviews to smaller, regional news outlets with good reputations for actual journalism and/or filling her press gaggles with representatives of the same would actually be a great move. Totally cut the national gabble-rabble out of the loop and let them spin in the wind talking to each other about ‘optics’ and how A actually means B.
I don’t think that’s what Sullivan was arguing for, though. Hence the overwhelmingly negative responses.
Bobby Thomson
@Soprano2: I’ve hard horror stories from people who took it and destroyed their connective tissue
Scout211
. . .
rikyrah
@Scout211: yessss!!!
evodevo
@Soprano2:
I hate cipro and have for years, but a course of it in 2019 put my afib in overdrive & hasn’t let up since. If I had known, I would never have taken it. For some reason MDs prescribe it at the drop of a hat. Unless you’ve been exposed to anthrax or something, I would avoid all the quinolones. There must be some other antibiotic out there
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Scout211: Good. Call them out every time. No Republican is a friend to working Americans.
Soprano2
@Kay: Oh I agree, they shouldn’t be afraid. I think most of those people are all talk anyway.
Alice
@Soprano2: I’ve taken Cipro a couple of times for UTIs. It gave me weird dreams and an upset stomach, but no lasting issues. Yogurt eased the nausea.
rodwell
FTFNYT does want TFCG to win because of tax cuts and there will be a lot to cover. Trump crowd leaks all the time. Especially when Kelly Ann, Ivanka and Jared return to the White House along with all the other low character individuals. I guess the FTFNYT thinks they will get a lot of subscriptions and clicks from our side trying to keep up with the latest outrage.
scav
@Scout211: Two easy posters. (or combine ’em)
Pointy Uncle Sam with iconic comb-over: “I want YOU to earn less!”
Red Hat reading “Make Labor Cheap Again”
Eunicecycle
@Scout211: Yay! I was hoping the unions heard that little tidbit!
SatanicPanic
Why not give interviews to like ABC or CNN? I don’t see what harm could come from that.
the idea that refusing to do interviews is a great idea is just strange to me
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: I don’t know ABC’s work very well but CNN is definitely yet another right wing propaganda outlet.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: I don’t agree but let’s say you’re right, what’s the harm? They’ll ask tough questions? I think she can handle it
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
I agree. Just do the tv rounds over a weekend. three quarters of the questions will be asking her to respond to something Donald Trump said. I don’t see the point of fighting with them. It’s not what we’re focused on.
Scout211
She has stated that she will get one scheduled by the end of August. She’s not refusing, but like Joe Biden, she will likely be choosy about who interviews her and from which news service.
divF
@SatanicPanic: From a PR standpoint, saying that she will give interviews only to regional and independent journalists blunts the accusation of venue-shopping. From a substantive standpoint, all of the national news outlets (especially 24-hour television ones) are fighting for their survival, and that survival is based on clickbait, soundbites and gotcha “journalism”. They won’t move the ball in terms of communicating any substantive message. Also, they are all owned by plutocrats, which means as a matter of policy (nothing personal mind you, it’s strictly business) they are in the tank for the GoP, which means Trump, for the tax cuts.
Hell, I think that a lot of this can be said publicly, and would go over.
SatanicPanic
@Kay: right, I get that no one wants to placate these people, some of whom really suck. But I think we’re still in the mode of thinking that Biden was treated badly ergo Harris will be. I think Harris will be fine.
Belafon
Counterargument: Harris doesn’t need to do serious, hard-hitting interviews as long as Trump isn’t receiving the same treatment since all it would take is a “Let me think about that for a moment” to turn this into “Is she truly ready to be President?”
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
Nothing gimmicky like X or influencers. Just whatever news or, um, newsy programs are seen by the most people but more than two. Vance did four or something on one day. Insist on equal access.
SatanicPanic
@Scout211: I’m talking about the notion here that snubbing the major news networks is a good idea. I don’t know what Harris thinks about the subject.
Villago Delenda Est
The MSM has all the collective ethical bones of the Federalist Six. None.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
They thrive on access and prestige. It needs to be denied to them.
Tough questions are fine. The problem is that they focus almost uniformly on salacious stupidity.
Old School
Seniors for Harris-Walz Say Happy Birthday Social Security: A Musical Tribute
Today from 4 -5pm EDT
Villago Delenda Est
@divF: No one should assist these vile parasites in their quest for survival.
Wipe them out. All of them.
rikyrah
Deadline Hollywood
@DEADLINE
The Democratic National Convention will be streamed next week on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube, a first for the party as it tries to boost young voter turnout
x.com/DEADLINE/status/1823400564396560817
SatanicPanic
@divF: do we need to project a substantive message? I’m of the opinion that Harris shouldn’t worry about that. She’s very likeable, focus on that. Policy discussion should be a distant second.
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
I am so, so tired of fighting the last battle. They’re stacking up too. Now we’re just piling one atop another. It isn’t good. It isn’t the way to win.
We’re confident and optimistic and ready to go. That’s what Harris/Walz imparts. Do that everywhere. She’s charming too! I’ve seen clips!
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: I like people who ignore the vapid legacy press.
Sure Lurkalot
The whole story about the hack with its ratfucker Stone connection has more legs than any questioning about journalistic ethics, an oxymoron of our times. And Margaret Sullivan, with whom I usually agree, is not credible here. The DC and NY press corps are not interested in Kamala Harris’s candidacy.
It’s not just that the “newspapers of record” are broken, the whole legacy media model is broken and it has no interest in reinventing itself for this century.
rikyrah
@Villago Delenda Est:
NOT.ONE.LIE.TOLD.
divF
@SatanicPanic: If what she wants to do is project a likeable image, then she definitely shouldn’t engage with the national media. Any positive image for a Democrat runs contrary to their business interests.
Baud
@rikyrah:
I didn’t realize we didn’t stream on YouTube before.
divF
@Villago Delenda Est:
@rikyrah:
Oh yeah!
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Destroying the American news media isn’t a project I think Harris should be engaged in. We don’t want both candidates saying the media sucks.
I’d be fine with all this if there were viable alternatives, but there aren’t. The left media includes MSNBC, which seems to not meet the standards of people here OR Democracy Now and TYT which I think are stupid. Where should we get news from then?
Baud
I’d like to see the NYT squeezed out. Don’t care that much about the others (except Fox, of course).
Kay
One of the recurring themes about Harris from admirers on Instagram is “she’s one of us”, alternate, “she’s always been one of us” (younger Harris). Isn’t that lovely?
People are not going into this disliking her! They want to like her! And they will.
Baud
She’s probably delaying because she needs time to answer policy questions, and so she needs time to develop them.
ETA: You don’t want your first interview to be a bunch of I don’t know yet‘s
NotMax
@oldster
On first glance I read that as (e.g. the librarians).
;)
Betty Cracker
The reporting says Roger Stone was the weak link who fell for the phishing scam. I hope the hackers were able to extract the entire contents of Stone’s devices and have plans to conduct a Hunter Biden-style public full body cavity search on that weird misshapen turd Stone.
I know I shouldn’t root for foreign criminal gangs, but Stone has escaped justice repeatedly, and at this point I’m not too particular about how a measure of it is meted out.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: I don’t want them to destroy the American news media. I want them to elevate responsible, tough outlets over the trash that, for whatever reason, managed to find it’s way to the upper echelon.
Kay
@Baud:
True. I wish it were necessary but I don’t think it will be. They’re going to recite Trump and ask her to respond. Maybe she can just answer the policy question they should have asked. That works most of the time.
oldster
@NotMax:
Do not, repeat do not, piss off the librarians.
SatanicPanic
@Kay: we were mad at the media for treating Biden badly, and I agree some of that anger was justified. But we also have to admit that some of the reason why Biden didn’t do lots interviews had little to do with any principled stand against the media and a lot to do with his campaigns very real fear that he’d make a mistake. I think we can move past that. Barack Obama could be interviewed by Bill OReilly on Fox and still come out looking good so I’m confident Harris can do ok on CNN.
Baud
@Kay:
Probably, but she can’t take the risk that they ask her something of substance and she doesn’t have a response.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: which outlets?
TBone
Tiedrich takes on this topic (with some good reminders):
jefftiedrich.com/p/very-little-about-this-trump-got
He identifies the creepy “NDA” language as being very Trumpian.
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
I don’t have to admit that. Seems speculative.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
All these criminals are so old. It’s really bizarre. Crime is usually a young man’s game. The election fraudster who was found guilty on four felony counts yesterday is 68. Maybe a grandma!
rikyrah
@rikyrah:
I am looking so forward to people that I follow on Twitter and TikTok to be reporting from the DNC. I won’t be a new viewer, but, I will be an interested one. These are regular people who are political junkies, like me…I’m totally psyched to see them there at the DNC, showing it through their eyes.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: this is a fair point
rikyrah
@Kay:
And then wanna use the ” I’m a grandma” card to try and get a lesser sentence.
Jackie
Speaking of the “media,” I think this is GREAT!
The RNC will be banging their head against the wall for not thinking about how to reach the yoots during their Convention 😂
SatanicPanic
@Baud: it is, that’s true
Dorothy A. Winsor
@rikyrah: My sister’s granddaughter will be there. She lives in Vermont and is a staffer for a legislator. I don’t know if she’s a delegate or just there with her boss. This is her first job out of college.
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
Well, all I can say is good luck to you moving past that! :)
I agree with you. But I think she will do interviews. We may be attributing her supporters reluctance to have her do interviews with hers. I think she will, and soon.
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
Yes, we do. Because the media does, in fact, suck.
More to the point, the way the media sucks right now is completely asymmetric and lethally toxic to the Democratic Party. They never hit Republicans hard, but even if they do, the damage is limited because Republicans know better than to listen to them. Democrats by and large don’t know better, so they imbibe pretty much all the bullshit the media puts out about their politicians, who then have to compete with both hands tied between their backs. The last four years have been this in a nutshell.
There is no way out of this that doesn’t involve our side of the aisle learning to distrust the media again.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Dont knock it. I’d use it.
3Sice
Running a circa 2002 campaign vis a vis the media is idiotic. It’s a value question, and the MSM doesn’t provide the value it once did.
rikyrah
@SatanicPanic:
There are plenty of local media that she can do.
I don’t know how this would take place, but, I’d have her go on the top 10 Spanish speaking stations in the country. I’d have her do that Univision . I’d have her sit down with Roland Martin.
And, the first tv interview should be with Lawrence O’Donnell. Period.
Not Maddow. or Lester Holt (phuck him).
But, LarryO.
Baud
@Jackie:
They’re reaching the yoots through Joe Rogan.
geg6
@Soprano2:
My sister, who has Crohn’s, has been on Cipro several times. She is 73. She had no bad side effects.
GregMulka
@Soprano2:
I have scars from being on Cipro. It will kill everything. Make sure he’s taking reputable probiotics and I found that I had to take it with food or I was incredibly nauseous. Not much, just something to soften the blow. That said l, the nausea may have been from the salmonella.
SatanicPanic
@Chris: No, we don’t. The media solidly reports most things, even if the editorial bent is slanted. We can’t have a functioning union if no one has any trust in media. Where should we be getting our news if not the media?
Chris
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
As I’ve said in the past, what I’d like to do is for Harris & co to find a bunch of local outlets that would normally never give big political scoops, and give a bunch of interviews to them, in all fifty states, while continuing to bypass the likes of the NYT and WaPo.
Professional political media is, by and large, crap; if you go further down the ladder, you might have better luck finding actual journalists. If nothing else, they won’t have had the practice editorializing all the interviews into “but her emails!” bullshit.
Sure Lurkalot
@Kay:
Much like the no guns allowed rule at NRA and CPAC conventions. Nice to have regulations that you deny are needed in our cities and towns to protect yourselves from the gun nuts you foster and encourage.
sdhays
@Baud: Same. It’s time to 殺雞給猴子看.
(Kill the chicken for the monkeys to see – make an example out of the FTFNYT.)
Kay
@Chris:
We’re the norms and institutions people. We’re not the “fake news” and “deep state” people. Thank goodness.
wjca
I’d bet Lawrence O’Donnell has the inside track. Except I doubt I’m winning any sucker bets here. Sigh.
SatanicPanic
@rikyrah: Not Maddow? She’s one of our most popular anchors, I don’t get this
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
You can’t force people to have faith in a media that has repeatedly betrayed our trust. Same problem with the right wing courts.
Gvg
One problem with just publishing is figuring out if the documents are real or have been tampered with. Like the Hunter Biden stuff, some real things mixed in with lies? It doesn’t even have to be lies that hurt Trump, it can be things that hurt America or even look bad for democrats. So yes some vetting and checking is ethical, but not sitting on it forever.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: Local town newspapers all over my home Commonwealth of Massachusetts do good work. I know Pro Publica does on a more national scale. The campaign has more national reach and resources to identify such outlets.
The legacy media does not, by dint of prior success, have a special right to access top officials. Give it to people who will view it as a privilege and responsibility, not an opportunity for clout or cutting one’s teeth.
ETA: A good rule of thumb, if your outlet has people earning millions of dollars to be one of the faves of your organization, you aren’t serious. You’re just a lesser class of celebrity.
SatanicPanic
@Kay: I agree. I think people are projecting their opinions onto her. I agree too with Baud that she’s probably just getting her policy ducks in a row.
lowtechcyclist
@Jackie:
For the old and unhip among us, anyone have any idea what’s meant by vertical video?
tam1MI
On the Xitter thread linked above someone suggested an interview with People magazine. I think that is awesome idea.
The only “national” newspaper she should give an interview to is USA TODAY.
Baud
@lowtechcyclist:
Don’t know but I assume it has to do with vertical phone orientation as opposed to the traditional horizontal screen on a TV.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Local media has been dying for decades now. My local paper was notoriously right wing anyway.
But either way, where do I get national and international news?
Baud
Her first interview should be with Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: That’s what it means. People my age traditionally hated vertical video (usually *shot* with phones) because it looked bad on their computer screens, but it looks good to kids who are watching it on their phones.
lowtechcyclist
@Baud:
That would make sense! I hadn’t even thought of that.
ETA: Thanks to Matt McIrvin for the confirmation.
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
Don’t people still watch national network news much more than anything else? Do three of those, but 1, 2 and 3 over 48 hours. That way they can’t seize on some minor error and be ridiculous with it. Give them a bunch all at once.
SatanicPanic
@Kay: Exactly
Villago Delenda Est
@divF: Prezactly.
Villago Delenda Est
@lowtechcyclist: “Portrait” vs. “Landscape.” My desktop monitor is “Landscape”, as is a movie screen. My calendar above my monitor is “Portrait”.
NotMax
@lowtechcyclist
Like this.
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
Why not? They do. And the difference is that one side wants to kill them and the ours simply wants them to do their jobs properly or go out of business. I see no downsides to this.
CaseyL
@SatanicPanic:
Print/Online:
Philadelphia Inquirer
LA Times
The Guardian<
TV:
Stephen Colbert
60 Minutes
…these would be good places to start. Hell, even USA Today is getting a better reputation than NYT and WaPo!
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: I catch wind of things from the major outlets only. If I’m genuinely interested, I read the bill. I watch the committee hearing on C-SPAN.
Getting any of this second-hand from the star-studded news ghouls is just asking to be lied to.
Geminid
@Kay: A lot of people still get news from AM radio. I hear the CBS radio news several times a day and its not a bad source at all.
dc
Teen Vogue should get the first big exclusive.
tam1MI
Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were two of the most gifted orators ever to sit in the Oval Office, and they were great at off the cuff interviews as well, and the press still savaged the hell out of them. The press can’t be trusted. Period.
sukabi
@Soprano2: HI, it’s been 30 years since I had a bad case of pneumonia and was prescribed Ciprofloxacin… took it for a day and my breathing/coughing became considerably worse… breathing issues are one of the rarer side effects…. it’s on my list of DO NOT TAKE medications.
wjca
Violent crime is a young man’s game. Things like fraud are far less likely to involve young men. Perhaps it helps to have gotten into a position to commit fraud, which takes a while. Perhaps because fraud doesn’t require physical agility.
So, not really a surprise that these are older folks, not young ones. And note that, unlike violent crimes, because fraud isn’t physically taxing, you can keep it up for decades, .
rikyrah
She should also sit down with ProPublica
SatanicPanic
@geg6: I don’t believe voters won’t take it as constructive criticism. And it’ll reinforce Republican messaging.
Villago Delenda Est
Substack is giving me “too many requests” feedback. May be DDOS, maybe Mary Trump and Wonkette are just too damn popular.
tam1MI
We are very close to, if not past, the point where we will be finding out.
And the media will have no one to blame but themselves.
OId Man Shadow
I mean… good.
It’s nice to see the mask taken off and the media stopping the pretense of objectivity. Trump is their ratings monkey and they are totally on the side of him and the oligarchs.
rikyrah
ESSENCE
@Essence
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The Dying Gaul
@JaySinWA: Why, exactly?😂
Villago Delenda Est
@SatanicPanic: My local dead tree news was bought out first by GateHouse Media, then GateHouse was bought out by Gannett, and it’s turned to absolute shit. It no longer bothers with editorials, opinion pages, or letters to the editor. Gannett is evil incarnate.
Belafon
Anyone know of a way to find out when and with whom Biden, Trump, and Harris have done interviews or press events this year? We like to throw around that Biden wasn’t doing any, but is that true, and how does it compare to Trump?
HumboldtBlue
Dave Roberts has an excellent thread about Sullivan’s whining and the general whining from the DC press.
SatanicPanic
@tam1MI: Right, but did FOX need Barack Obama to do an interview for them to say bad things about him? No, obviously not. This has nothing to do with the success of his interview with O’Reilly.
rikyrah
Bobby Allyn
@BobbyAllyn
NEW: Judge Reed O’Connor has recused himself from one of Elon Musk’s lawsuits, against the coalition of advertisers. This comes after NPR reported on Reed’s investment in Tesla and Musk’s forum-shopping by filing in Reed’s district, where none of the parties are based.
x.com/BobbyAllyn/status/1823411167970386213
Baud
@Belafon:
He reportedly has done fewer, but saying he hasn’t done any is wrong. I don’t have a list.
Betty Cracker
@Sure Lurkalot: Excellent analogy!
mali muso
I like this perspective: nitter.poast.org/johnastoehr/status/1823410242643779739#m
NotMax
@dc
First ought to be Minnesota Public Radio.
Sure Lurkalot
You’d think it would be “news” that the spouse of one of the candidates for president has been basically MIA for years now. Zero to few public or private appearances with her loving husband. Said person may once again be First Lady of these United States and no one in our vaunted legacy media will touch her absence with a ten foot pole.
Numerous outlets with stories about how Trump compared Harris to his wife, “a great First Lady”, the question “where’s Trump’s wife?” never posited.
The Dying Gaul
@Kay: Mar-A-Lago, the day after the first Tuesday in November, 2024 (as someone has already posted)
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
This is literally the argument that was used about the government in the scandals of the seventies and eighties, and it was ridiculous then too: we shouldn’t dwell on this or prosecute this, because then people will lose faith in the government! People should, in fact, be losing faith in the government. If the government wants people to have faith in it, it should try not lying its ass off for fifteen years about every aspect of the war in Vietnam; not running a secret police out of the Hoover building that takes active measures against any activist group whose politics it disagrees with; not selling arms to terrorists in the Middle East to finance other terrorists in Central America; etc. See also, the court system lately and all the admonitions to respect its majestic impartiality instead of treating it like the lawless and out-of-control hack job that it is.
This kind of institutional trust needs to be earned.
rikyrah
Film Updates
@FilmUpdates
First look at Matt Bomer, Nathan Lane, Nathan Lee Graham and Linda Lavin in Hulu comedy series ‘MID-CENTURY MODERN.’
It follows 3 friends – gay gentlemen of a certain age – who spend their golden years living together in Palm Springs where the wealthiest one lives with his mom.
x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1823424084270530890
SatanicPanic
@Belafon: He didn’t do zero, but his schedule was historically light, by a pretty good margin.
The Dying Gaul
@Kay: Mar-A-Lago, the day after the first Tuesday in November, 2024 (as someone has already posted)
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/570901690245050461/?amp_client_id=CLIENT_ID%28_%29&_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Famp%2Fpin%2F570901690245050461%2F&from_amp_pin_page=true&mweb_unauth_id=
Chris
@wjca:
And even in violent crime, the person actually benefiting and giving the orders is usually an old guy.
SatanicPanic
@Chris: Where did distrust in government get us? Seems like a worse outcome than the original problem.
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
What media is it that you are imbibing? Because none of the media which are national players provide one penny of added value. Any recipe you want, any science, business or tech news or any game you want to play are all available in many places other than the FTFNYT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN. I recommend the LA Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer and Cleveland Plain Dealer. Hit the local TV outlets’ news shows. Find a good YouTuber or a dozen and sit down and answer questions. I can guarantee you that you’ll get better content from any of those alternatives.
rikyrah
Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) posted at 2:04 PM on Tue, Aug 13, 2024:
Hours of Project 2025 training videos featuring top Trump officials have been leaked online, outlining their plan to purge the government of civil servants and replace them with MAGA loyalists who will allow Trump to be a dictator t.co/VY3ehR4kjX
(x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1823435502273327569?s=03)
rikyrah
Chris D. Jackson (@ChrisDJackson) posted at 1:35 PM on Tue, Aug 13, 2024:
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DOOCY: “How much more progressive is VP Harris than you as a candidate in the general?”
President Biden: “The issues we’ve worked on together have made big progress economically. No one calls what we did on infrastructure progressive. It’s a good policy.”
(https://x.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1823428060806304218?t=7mO5boxdaec1PwSO8yAGEg&s=03)
The Dying Gaul
@Kay: Mar-A-Lago, the day after the first Tuesday in November, 2024 (as someone posted days a few days ago…)
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/570901690245050461/?amp_client_id=CLIENT_ID%28_%29&_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Famp%2Fpin%2F570901690245050461%2F&from_amp_pin_page=true&mweb_unauth_id=
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
Because she’s not really the most popular. She’s the diva of the MSNBC stable, but I’d rather be interviewed by Nicolle Wallace or Lawrence O. They aren’t quite so in love with their own voices and they actually know something about policy and how the sausage gets made. Maddow definitely does not.
SatanicPanic
@geg6: WaPo does great reporting, I just don’t get why people are so mad. Yes, I disagree with some of the columnists, and sometimes the title choices are odd. But generally I think people are nitpicking and seeing things that aren’t really that important.
I’m definitely not going to YouTube for news.
EDIT- I think LO takes himself too seriously. But I gather I’m in the minority here. Nicole Wallace is fine. Alex Wagner is fine. They’re all fine, they get paid by the same people anyway.
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
Even if that were true, the problem still wouldn’t be the people distrusting the government. The problem would be the government doing the things that were worthy of distrust. A problem that’s going to remain whether or not put it under the carpet in the name of some vaguely defined civic good-feeling.
“Honey, it’s not MY fault that I cheated on you! It’s YOUR fault for believing that I’m the kind of person who’d cheat on you! And all because you caught me cheating on you! Can’t you see what this is doing to our marriage?” is something that’s pretty widely understood to be a logical fallacy at best and straight-up gaslighting at worst, when it’s done between human beings. For some reason, when public institutions do it – the government, the court system, the media – a bunch of us suddenly decide to take it seriously.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: So which of these news orgs do you work for? This level of commitment to moneyed hacks is curious.
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
I don’t know any voters who give a shit about the NYT or CBS. Even people older than me quit reading or watching that MSM shit. And I’m about to turn 66. I think their audiences are GOPers and MAGAs exclusively at this point.
Baud
@Chris:
I’m stealing that.
Mike E
@SatanicPanic: fuck them. Make them endear themselves to the campaign like they do for Turd (or did for goodnews4mccain). Harris/Walz should collect tears and keep breaking their dark hearts.
zhena gogolia
@Jackie: I’m excited that Colbert is going to be live from the Chicago Auditorium! Louis Sullivan FTW! (Now I have to figure out how to watch him on my laptop, since I can’t remember how to turn on my TV.)
Baud
@geg6:
Unfortunately, no. I think the mainstream media owns a large number of liberal minds.
ETA: That’s why it’s so hard for us to overcome their talking points, like the Biden economy is bad.
geg6
@mali muso:
Exactly! Perfection!
Kay
@Geminid:
The women up front at work listen to that, so I hear it too quite a bit. It’s fine. I also watch local Toledo tv news. I don’t watch cable anymore but I pay for the Washington Post, the Toledo Blade and our local paper. The local paper is thru the law office though – I use their legal notices for various things. I also use it TO notice.
I think she’ll do interviews soon and it will be fine.
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: Sounds interesting, thanks for the tip!
I am looking forward to Apple TV’s 10-part “Bad Monkey” series, which is based on a Carl Hiaasen novel. It premieres tomorrow.
zhena gogolia
@mali muso: That sounds right to me.
When I saw how that NYT person did the interview with Buttigieg, I thought, none of them should talk to the NYT.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
I won’t blame Kamala if she does, but I’ll love it if she doesn’t. They’re the worst, and they set the tone for the others.
zhena gogolia
@SatanicPanic: Why are we so mad? Did you read the NYT or WaPo between June 27 and July 21?
HumboldtBlue
zhena gogolia
@Baud: I am not going to blame Kamala for a single goddamned thing between now and Nov. 5 and beyond. Sorry, that’s how I roll.
SatanicPanic
@Chris: Broad distrust in the media and the government is the basis of fascism.
Yes, the government lied about My Lai and the Tet Offensive or whatever, but the problem becomes- yes, the highest levels of government lied about something important. And yes, there should have been (and somewhat was) some accountability there. But the problem with making the case that the government lies is that people don’t make the distinction between Nixon or LBJ lying, and every other level of government lying too. You eventually end up with people believing that Anthony Fauci is a satanist or something.
Same with the media. You start with “I don’t trust WaPo because of some of their headlines or their editorial decisions” quickly translates into “everything they say is lies”. Which is manifestly not true.
SatanicPanic
@zhena gogolia: I can guess where you’re going with this and I think we should agree to disagree
hueyplong
@zhena gogolia: “I am not going to blame Kamala for a single goddamned thing between now and Nov. 5 and beyond.”
Same here. She seems to have done fairly well without my advice or prior approval.
Scout211
Come sit by me.
rikyrah
Schoonie U-Turn Singleton![]()
(@dhoodson) posted at 9:28 AM on Tue, Aug 13, 2024:
My Dad & his friends used to protect older Black folks trying to vote back in the day.
What I look like withholding my vote?
Get the entirety of the fuck out of this vicinity.
(https://x.com/dhoodson/status/1823366088266076497?t=xSvSEexCQcOANHHpBq0lgQ&s=03)
Sure Lurkalot
@geg6:
I don’t know any voters who give a shit about the NYT or CBS. Even people older than me quit reading or watching that MSM shit. And I’m about to turn 66. I think their audiences are GOPers and MAGAs exclusively at this point.
My sister and her husband definitely do, CNN and/or MSNBC is on 24/7 and the dead tree version of the NYT delivered every day.
We argue about it all the time and she gets very defensive. Just yesterday when I told her that MSNBC talks about Trump way more than half the time, she was going to hang up on me. She thought I said her much loved station was pro Trump. That may not be the case (management, Andrea and Katy excepted), but some Trump story usually leads the coverage and has for years now.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Is it necessary to suggest this? I do not work for the media. I can have an opinion based on what I observe.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
As long as she doesn’t wear a tan pant suit, I’m with you 100%.
Old School
@Villago Delenda Est:
I’ve no great love for Gannett as my local paper pretty much tells me what happened two days ago at this point, but I’m not sure why opinion pages would make it better. No one likes the opinion pages of any paper.
Betty Cracker
@SatanicPanic: FWIW, I agree in part. The national political press in general sucks big green gators, but even outlets like the NYT and WaPo also employ scads of excellent journalists who break important stories and shed light on local, national and global issues. They don’t all deserve to be tarred with the Mag-Habs brush.
I also think Maddow is one of the best journalists we have, a modern day Murrow. I completely understand how her style can be off-putting (if asked for the time, she explains at length how to build a clock), but she does great work. Her “Ultra” podcast series in particular resurrected an ignored portion of our national history that applies in spades to this moment. I don’t get the hostility either.
Baud
@Sure Lurkalot:
Yeah, I agree. I barely watch MSNBC anymore, and that’s a large part of it.
hueyplong
@Baud: I could have sworn I’ve already seen her in a tan pantsuit in the last week, but I might have been fantasizing.
stacib
@SatanicPanic: No, definitely not Maddow, or Nicole or Joy-Ann. Larry O, Sharpton or the anchors of The Weekend.
Mike E
@SatanicPanic: there are way more reputable sources available for news content than those you cite, and pointing this out is doesn’t locate me or anyone any closer to fascism. Jesus Christ.
piratedan
I’m probably out of step here, but I think Biden’s mistrust of the media is well founded. They’re always happy to speculate further doom when there’s an outside chance of it. When there’s good news, they are decidedly neutral and caveat laden when reporting.
For example… the economy. By just about every single indicator, the economy is kicking ass, jobs created, people working, wages climbing, manufacturing restored, stock market soaring… what do we hear about… inflation. Nothing regarding the causes (corporate greed), just anecdotally about how much item X now costs. The Fed STILL hasn’t lowered interest rates.
COVID …. yes, it’s still with it and the federal response to it has been watered down. Issue fatigue, problems with replacing healthcare workers burned out and lost, yet never coupled with the fact that new vaccines are coming and that long term COVID response is being attacked. That people still have businesses and apartments thanks to programs that Joe Biden pushed thru… already memory holed.
foreign policy, has managed to extricate us from Afghanistan, increased NATO membership to combat Russia, has done everything he can from putting boots on the ground. Has it been perfect, no… we still have Israel and the middle east.. which no one has solved for the last 75 years, but sure, lets lay that on his door as well.
The fact that Harris has been in a prime position to watch all of this unfold probably means that he is incredibly wary if she will get a fair and unbiased hearing with the public via these outlets. Whatever outlets she uses to get a fair shake will be fine by me. I don’t believe she will dodge hard questions, what worries me is that the questions will only come with Republican framing and only those answers that match that will be acceptable.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: I think that ship has sailed!
zhena gogolia
@hueyplong: You are right, and she looked fabulous!
SatanicPanic
@Betty Cracker: yeah that’s a good distinction. the people who gather the news are doing a good job, it’s the people who explain it that are pretty bad.
UncleEbeneezer
Mardi Jacobs on Xitter:
Baud
The Queen
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: We have no means of pressuring them other than not buying their product.
My first newspaper subscription as a young man was the NYT…during the run-up to the Iraq War. They routinely propped up Bush administration lies on their front page while dissembling to cover the holes. Then they buried the truth deep inside.
I still subscribed for years, they got worse. Every time I check back, they continue to get worse. When I look around to all the big names, none come across as trustworthy.
It isn’t even a matter of agreeing or not. Sometimes I agree with their editorial perspective on one thing or another, but their analysis is shallow and their framing not insightful.
Just because they’re the biggest doesn’t make them the best or the most worthy. As is common in the US, it actually signifies the opposite.
@Betty Cracker: This is definitely an example of bad apples ruining the barrel.
Spanky
@Soprano2: Way WAY late to the party about this, but here’s my experience with Cipro as an over 60 Old. I had a 28 day course, so your husband should tolerate it pretty well. Where it did get me was in my knees. They got stiff and cranky, but I did not have major issues. So if your husband starts getting knee pain, it’s the Cipro. Just keep him off them for a few days as much as possible.
Scout211
Please revise your rules.
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
If you’re going to go there, you can just as accurately say that broad trust in the media and the government is the basis of fascism. Hey, those fucking Polacks fired first. It was in all the newspapers. You think you know better than all the newspapers? Hey, the government had to take all those Jews away because so many of them were communists and criminals it just wasn’t safe not to. You think you know better than the government?
Baud
I can’t believe Kamala pulled off the tan suit. That’s amazing.
sdhays
@Scout211: Welp, I guess Baud’s going to have to vote for RFK Jr. now. Because ethics.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: I don’t like NYT and I don’t subscribe. I subscribe to WaPo and I think it’s fine.
Subscribe wherever you want, I’m just saying that “the media is terrible, don’t trust the mainstream media” and suggesting Harris should completely avoid them isn’t something I agree with
Kay
@Baud:
I love her lilac suit. Her clothes fit too, unlike the weirdos.
SatanicPanic
@Chris: That’s just not correct
trnc
@JaySinWA:
This was as true in 2016 for anyone trying to get campaign info published as it is today.
lamh47
Clip from Kamala HQ
Jeffro
This is an interesting point.
I wonder if Pew or Gallup or some other organization has some sort of reliable info on the political leanings of the viewers/listeners. I know all sorts of groups rate the ‘bias’ of the news organizations themselves (often laughably) but I wonder what’s available about their specific viewers?
back in a bit
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
Sure it is.
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
I like the WaPo too. My husband sticks with the NYTimes. He says they ruined the WSJ so he has nothing else. Sometimes he reads it to me and I think “oh. God”. He’s a normie so will get sucked in. He vehemently disagreed with their economic coverage though. We both thought it was borderline propoganda. But you have to read some news, I think.
I think if we said to a normie “Harris cannot do interviews! They are UNFAIR” that person would think we are nuts. We can’t be weird. Now. Too.
trnc
@rikyrah:
But the dossier is proof that DT knew every bit of info out there about JV, so it cuts both ways.
rikyrah
FYI
Lee Caraher (@LeeCaraher) posted at 7:59 PM on Fri, Aug 02, 2024:
Ohio removes 155,000 from voter rolls ahead of November’s presidential election (from @AP) t.co/GfWnX2oSLs
(https://x.com/LeeCaraher/status/1819538467623141461?t=wHfR8BtH51AWBUnJI2_Vrw&s=03)
rikyrah
@TheCoreyRichardson on Threads. Follow Me There. (@vexedinthecity) posted at 9:46 PM on Mon, Aug 12, 2024:
If you’re a parent of a child with special needs, anyone saying they’re going to close the Department of Education isn’t your friend. Who do you think provides the funding to make sure your local schools follow your kid’s IEP?
(https://x.com/vexedinthecity/status/1823189381844279426?t=gqXH_RSeb2DQSASMHzInUA&s=03)
UncleEbeneezer
@Scout211: I said it before: we would be in a much better place if our side had anywhere near the blind-loyalty that the haters imagine and claim we have.
2000, 2004, 2010, 2016, 2022
Just a one % point or so, more of people voting Dem and resisting the urge to spread anti-Dem propaganda, would have made a huge difference in everything.
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
No one is saying that there is no media that they trust. It’s only those major players who are bad actors that we don’t trust. Someone above mentioned ProPublica. I trust them implicitly. I trust the local county independent online news site. I trust the Philadelphia Inquirer. I trust several podcasters. I trust TPM. See, my trust must be earned. And keep being earned over time. You lose my trust, you lose my eyes and ears.
SatanicPanic
@Chris: Nah, you’re conflating two very different things. I’m not telling anyone to trust party propaganda.
@Kay: Right, let’s not go down that road. It makes us sound like Republicans.
rikyrah
@Kay:
He has never lied.
While the Editorial page was ALWAYS ALWAYS garbage..
You could read those five columns on the front page of the WSJ and understand where the decisions of the CEO’s of the Fortune 500 came from.
Excellent, no nonsense, good ass reporting.
And then Rupert Murdoch bought it and ruined it.
geg6
@Sure Lurkalot:
As I said, it’s my experience. My family and friends have dropped them all. You have your experience. I’m sorry your sister isn’t willing to open her eyes to what is happening with media. The idea that I should support them despite what I know about them is just nuts (not that you are saying that).
HumboldtBlue
zhena gogolia
@Baud: 😂 TBF, Obama also carried it off.
Baud
Kamala will do interviews with national media. But she’ll do it on her terms.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Advocates for children say the US Department of Education is a civil rights organization. They’re right. It’s entire reason for being and purpose is civil rights for students. That’s why Republicans want to destroy it. I don’t think that’s just an ignorant Trump shot across the bow. That’s coming from the far Right brain trust. They want to return to pre Brown.
CaseyL
@zhena gogolia:
Wasn’t SatanicPanic one of the people who wanted Biden gone?
geg6
@Betty Cracker:
I’ll agree that her podcasts are excellent. That’s what she should stick to. She has a great talent for it.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
But you must, YOU MUST! How else will you know what’s going on?
SatanicPanic
@CaseyL: I did. But I was not here for that conversation (I was at DKos until after he dropped out) and I don’t want to fight with zhena about it. But yes, I did not find that time particularly problematic for that very reason.
zhena gogolia
@CaseyL: I’m not taking nyms any more. 😄 But anyone who asks me why I’m mad at NYT and WaPo needs to get an answer.
Kathleen
@Sure Lurkalot: Jeff Jarvis Xeeted an excellent thread with his list of why he disagreed with Margaret Sullivan. Sullivan quote tweeted the whole thread with comment to the effect that “maybe I need to reconsider”. I admired her for publishing the Jarvis tweet and admitting she might need to reconsider her position.
Kay
@rikyrah:
They did an amazing job on the auto bailout. If anyone wanted to study it they could just read the WSJ series.
Soprano2
@Kay: I think many people are still feeling burned by 2016, and are afraid the press will do the same thing to Harris. I do think we need to get over that to some extent while still being savvy.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@SatanicPanic: i dunno how old you are, how far back your political memories go, but the “mainstream media” fucks over the democratic party any chance it gets. any democratic flaw is amplified, any crimes committed by the fascist gop, minimized.
the media fucked over carter. dukakis. they spent years and years and YEARS hunting the clintons. gore “invented” the internet (and sighed too much). they hated that suave obama and his damned tan suit. given another shot at a clinton, they really bent the needle, focusing on email minutiae while ignoring the mountains of crime atop which the snooze criminal created his cathedral of bullshit.
as soon as they found an opening, they made a mess of biden’s mostly immaculate afghanistan withdrawal and have been slanting their coverage of uncle joe EVER since, hammering him with drumbeats of “too old” and “recession: tomorrow or thursday?”
the mainstream media outlets. are. not. our. allies.
oh… and btw. missed the earlier thread, but here’s my two cents: nyc is run by the nypd and that’s why they HATE the ccrb
eta- what baud said at #127 but far more concisely.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
geg6
@Kay:
Again, no one is saying that she shouldn’t do interviews. But she should do them with outlets that have some journalistic integrity, not an agenda. There are plenty of those out there. Just that none of them are named NYT, WaPo or CNN (among others).
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: Poor dear, doesn’t recognize mockery.
Chris
@Kay:
Then we’re screwed, because as long as long as the view that the mainstream media is, in fact, wildly unfair and biased when it comes to Democratic candidates remains out in the wilderness, the media is going to be able to keep bringing us right back to where we were a couple months ago. Or in 2016. Or in 2000.
Again, this was our approach to the courts for all the decades leading up to Dobbs. “Don’t challenge the courts’ legitimacy! Normies want to believe in the system!” And thanks to the desire not to make waves for the normies, we were brought all the way back to the Comstock Acts and Divine Right of Kings before it finally became respectable to say, hold on a minute, the courts are completely out of control!
Shouldn’t we start making it a practice to push back against this kind of behavior in our august institutions before it becomes so blatant that even the most unengaged swing voter in the land has no choice but to notice it?
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: I did, it was just not good. Why are you trying to fight with me? What did I do to you?
peter
@piratedan: Our local classical station has three minutes of live NPR news at the top of the hour and when most of the news readers get to how the markets are doing, their tone and delivery changes depending on whether the markets are up or down. They somehow sound much happier when the economic news is bad.
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
Sure, you’re just telling us that it can’t be party propaganda as long as it’s coming through the WaPo, NYT, CNN, NPR et al.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Absolutely.
They want to erase the 20th Century.
Soprano2
@GregMulka: I asked the pharmacist to recommend a probiotic because the doctor suggested it. I was going to give him yogurt but I didn’t know about not taking the med with milk or milk products, and it’s hard to control when and whether he eats stuff. I put all the milk in the fridge on the porch; he can’t seem to remember that fridge is there.
SatanicPanic
@Chris: That’s not party propaganda tho
Villago Delenda Est
@Chris: “I don’t ask for much I only want trust and you know it don’t come easy.” — attributed to Ringo Starr, but probably written by George Harrison.
HumboldtBlue
@Kathleen:
I don’t. Her entire fucking column was demanding Harris meet with her and her colleagues because they are the important ones, and they insist they place their imprimatur on Harris and her campaign. It was condescending and enraging, and I let her fucking know that. She actually claimed she and other DC press were the fucking voice of the people.
Betty Cracker
@geg6: Spielberg optioned the first season of Maddow’s “Ultra,” and that’s a great thing because it’s inspiring to learn about American heroes — ordinary people — who fought the same brand of fascist creeps arrayed against us today. We can beat these mofos. We’ve done it before, but it takes concerted effort from regular folks, including voters. More people should know that.
Villago Delenda Est
@rikyrah: They want to erase everything since just before the Renaissance.
different-church-lady
I used to think criticizing the media on this level was sort of a “home crowd sees a foul in every visiting team defensive play” kind of thing. But now there’s just too much blatant concrete evidence of the double-standard.
wjca
Hey, it’s still before Labor Day….
Chris
@Soprano2:
It’s not 2016. It’s 2016. And 2000. And sitting on the story of Dubya’s warrantless wiretapping until after the 2004 election, because “we didn’t want to influence the election!” that they cheerfully swift-boated all year. And spending all of 2012 telling everybody that Romney had it in the bag and Nate Silver was just too weird and nerdy for anyone to pay attention to his numbers. And selling the Iraq War from head to toe. And the total news blackout on anything that could be construed as good news for Biden from August 2021 through July 2024. And, well, literally the entire Clinton administration.
Any individual moment, however tragic the consequences, you can get over. When you’ve got enough of these spanning decades, at a certain point the issue isn’t just one particular issue or candidate or moment, it’s a trend that hits the entire profession.
It’s not feasible for the Democratic Party to just quit the MSM cold turkey, but it absolutely does need to view them as an enemy and figure out how to counter it. (Getting news feeds from the convention out on social media was, if nothing else, a good start).
Baud
The question we should be asking is, what’s wrong with the national media that they can’t secure an interview with the Democratic nominee for president?
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
Pull the other one.
Jeffro
Best piece I was able to find about media outlets’ audiences, and those audiences’ preferences:
(this is 10 years old, so my guess is that things are far, far more polarized by now)
Ha! We are all non-normies LOL
Anyway, not sure that is helpful…will keep looking
Rathskeller
Not to show my tin foil hat, but I had a lengthy back and forth on reddit with someone who insisted that no media enterprise would ever publish illegally obtained partisan information. Usually people will back down after a couple of examples, but I had to give six.
The lack of logic and perseverance on a very narrow point definitely reminded me of 2015 and 2016 conversations with people who I believe were Russian-directed accounts.
Kay
@Chris:
I just think this is WAY overblown. She’s going to do fine and most people will think it’s fine.
The way this starts to mirror how the Right talks about media puts me off. This is sales. It’s marketing. She can and will use it to her advantage.
3Sice
flump is headed to Asheville. 2500 seats. The venue got the cash up front.
It’s going great guys…
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: You are persisting in trying to convince me that these organizations are worth my trust. They are not.
You asked me to propose alternatives, I did. You deny the value of those alternatives.
Basically you’re treating me like I’m stupid and you know better, like those mainstream news outlets you love so much.
Baud
@Rathskeller:
Very good chance that person was not engaging with you in good faith, or was a bot.
Jeffro
in other news, Jamelle Bouie is throwing in the towel on the GOP ever learning its lesson: trump is a loser, but even when he loses this November, they’re probably still going to stick with him
this is the slowest slow-motion train wreck in American political history
Kathleen
@HumboldtBlue: Jarvis did a great job of refuting that but he was respectful and stayed on point. I like Sullivan but she’s one of those reporters I somewhat respect who doesn’t want to acknowledge why our media “never learn”. Or doesn’t want to admit it. Jarvis again made the case.
Baud
@Jeffro:
If he runs again in 2028, he can tie Williams Jennings Bryant.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Her ability to perform in front of the media is not in question nor is it the question.
They don’t deserve anyone’s attention or respect. That is what is at issue here.
Or I suppose you approve of the way they defame pro-Palestine and BLM protestors day in and day out…
Kathleen
@Baud: Right! Why can’t they do their jobs? Are they too old? Etc.
rikyrah
Acyn
@Acyn
Walz: Why would you think I would need your advice to tell me what books I can and cannot read? Or when to have a family or how to have a family? Or what religion to worship? Or how to organize? You stay in your lane and I’ll stay in mine. That’s not that difficult.
x.com/Acyn/status/1823448995248976361
Baud
@Kathleen:
::side eye toward Andrea Mitchell::
Trollhattan
@Baud: Now let’s discuss the Manolos plopped on the Resolute Desk.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@rikyrah: they’re gonna need SOMEONE to replace all of those immigrant farm laborers they deport or liquidate. department of education keeping kids in public schools gets in the way of that
eta- @Villago Delenda Est: till right before the black plague, when the serfs didn’t know how much their lives and labor were worth
eta, eta- @Chris: i TOTALLY forgot about kerry’s run. dropped right into the memory- hole. whatta missed opportunity that was. “i voted to move the bill forward until i found out that they stripped the funding mechanisms out and had no intentions of paying for their plans. so in the end, i voted “no”.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: You keep responding to my comments to other people, and I have implied nothing. Why are you mad?
sdhays
@Kay: I’m not worried about anything Harris does. I just would like to see the New York Times frozen out, because they deserve to feel the cold. And the others should notice.
But if she grants them an interview, I’m sure she’ll do fine.
cain
@Kay:
They are sloven DC press journalists – getting paid $400k or whatever to blather about both sides, or rather one side. They are gonna do what is comfortable.
Kay
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Sorry. I think normies would think this is nuts. She’ll get a ton of exposure. As much as I bitch about the NYTimes I have to accept that their circulation goes UP, not down. Yours is not a mainstream view and like it or not elections are about moving masses – big numbers. She’s got about 35 days until voting starts. They need to see and hear her. They’re going to like her.
But I’m confident she’ll do interviews in the next week or so.
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: “Mind your own damn business” is the political slogan I’ve been waiting for all my life. 😊
RedDirtGirl
@rikyrah: Thanks for that link!
HumboldtBlue
This is the national media, in this case, CNN, where a “reporter” who made her bones spewing outright falsehood with Daily Caller is now a prime face on CNN.
This is the state of the national media.
Jackie
@lowtechcyclist: I have no idea what vertical video is.🤷🏼♀️
CaseyL
Are sea lions the ones who go around “just asking questions”? (And ignoring the answers.)
I think we need a sea lion cake in the pastry case.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Kay: Most people do not read the New York Times. If the New York Times want to publish an interview with…well…anyone; if that person does not want to grant that interview, they can always look at what is published by other sources.
There are plenty of places to get viewers.
And maybe mine is not a mainstream view. Leadership requires occasionally pushing on the mainstream. That’s why it isn’t called followership.
ETA: And their circulation going up is exactly the problem I want solved. Their growth is bad for us. We shouldn’t continue to feed a monster that tries to eat us over and over again.
Leopards eating faces, indeed…
strange visitor (from another planet)
@Baud: mrs. alan greenspan.
SatanicPanic
@Kay: Kamala Harris needs to go where the viewers are. We may not like it, but she’s only got a few months and she needs viewers to see and hear her
EDIT- basically what you said lower down
MCA1
@Chris: I largely agree. If people don’t preach about how and why, for instance, the government has breached the trust of the people (whether the underlying notion that it therefore needs to be reformed is stated or just implied), then there’s no incentive for governmental reform. It’ll never change, other than for the worse. Likewise the press.
And re: the issue of seeming hysterical or weird to non-political junkies, I disagree with Kay on that one. We’ve seen at least 35 years now of Republican ref-working and crying about liberal bias and the untrustworthy MSM and whatnot, and never has it led normal people to think “Huh, that’s kind of weird.” Plenty of other things Republicans and their fellow travelers say have now gotten us to that point, but I don’t think the label has anything to do with their decades of systematically shouting out their disdain for any media that isn’t Fox.
To the contrary – it’s been incredibly successful! Eventually the middle 80% of America took to believing the myth that all mainstream media was unequivocally backing Democrats all the time. It’s just assumed – the media universe for a substantial number of non-Republicans is seen as Fox for Republicans and Everybody Else for Democrats. If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard reasonably intelligent people just casually dismiss anything said on CNN (CNN!) because it’s irredeemably liberal I’d be a rich man. Even the media themselves have internalized it.
None of that gets reversed without Democrats, liberals, progressives, etc. pushing back. They need to work the refs, too, and go public with their case. You’ll never get any calls if it’s only the other coach shouting at them. Where I might agree with Kay is re: when this counteroffensive should start. Right now, less than 3 months before the election, when all the momentum is on Harris’ side is probably not the right time to overtly not offer those legacy media outlets any spots at the table.
Lyrebird
@CaseyL: I’m not sure, but I think there’s a sea lion or a little seal on one of the cupcakes now!
Pedant that I am, I still want the word “pie” as well as the image of the slice of pie to help find the pie filter.
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
Then she should ignore the major and cable networks. Their numbers are getting lower and lower, in addition to their product getting crappier and crappier.
Scout211
As some have replied above, it just means it was filmed in portrait mode so it fits into social media posts like TikTok and Insta.
TBone
Sometimes the MSM does the job
twitter.com/BobbyAllyn/status/1823415702143033766
Background at link
tam1MI
In terms of the present day, I hear a significant number of people saying that they get their news from Bloomberg magazine and Business Weekly. Apparently having to provide accurate information for the business sector to use bleeds over into their political coverage.
pajaro
@SatanicPanic:
I think the legacy media’s political coverage has been horrible, with the NYT the worst. I don’t understand how people on this site can be OK with the difference in the way the leaks in the DNC were treated (with all the details, as breathlessly as possible) with the way the Trump leaks have been treated. As a political matter, Trump’s leaks are more relevant politically. You might say that the media has learned something from the way it covered Clinton, so thet’s why it is behaving differently, except that the NYT has never acknowledged that it made any mistakes or has anything to learn. It behaves as unaccountable as the Supreme Court.
The media also refuses to acknowledge that its news judgment has political consequences. When you pour over every stumble made by Biden, over and over again, while you do nothing similar for Trump, you are signaling that Biden’s stumbles are more significant.
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
Yup. Now. Before they can define her. I’m uncomfortable with this idea that really powerful people who are seeking to become still more powerful are somehow victims of media. No one is going to buy that. IMO it’s right from the grievance playbook.
We’re confident and optimistic and charging ahead. Goddamn it , be happy! :)
Scout211
Yeah. Once pied, then un-pied, now re-pied.
Kay
@tam1MI:
I like Bloomberg too. I forgot about them.
Baud
It might be helpful to identify solid journalists rather than take on whole media outlets. If there is a political reporter at the NYT or WaPo or elsewhere that is able to do consistently good work, those are the people we should promote. Of course, there’s always a danger that they change if they make it into the club (side eye to Nate Silver) but at least it could signal what we expect from real journalists.
SatanicPanic
@geg6: Major media is still one of the best ways to get your message out, even if it’s not as effective as it once was.
I just want to win in November, I don’t think it’s time to pursue an anti-media jihad.
CaseyL
@Scout211: Yup, same here.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Do the media not, themselves, wield enormous power?
TS
This is Wapo reporting that slants to the right
Have they EVER mentioned that pressure is building for the weird old guy to lay our his economic policy? I laugh at myself – of course not, only democrats need policies.
3Sice
Is this a joke?
Jackie
@Belafon: Biden did at least one interview with Lester Holt (NBC) and the interview with ABC right after the debate.
cain
@Scout211: As Harris loyal, still. She will likely not be interviewing with the New York Times. They have destroyed any kind of access or relationship to Harris with their treatment of Biden and the Democratic party.
Baud
@TS:
Good catch. The manufactured “pressure”.
Keep an eye out for Kamala “trying” to do things rather than actually doing them.
Kay
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
We’re not going to agree. I look forward to her interviews.
oldgold
Today, I read something that made me smile. It was, wouldn’t it be a great spoof and blow Trump’s mind, if Anthony Hopkins, as a tongue-in-cheek Hannibal Lecter, came to the Democratic Convention and endorsed Harris.
John Revolta
@CaseyL: They’re also famous for crap like “Why are you mad when I’ve been so relentlessly polite with you?”
sdhays
I’m not on social media, but this was cool: apple.news/A8p8nalwtS1WbyTvVVWr74g
Social media users creating a meme out of our Vice President meeting with reporters. It’s awesome!
Baud
@oldgold:
Heh. He and Harris should do a cooking segment.
cain
@rikyrah:
haha – twitter is snubbed as well as your usual set of groups. I think this is great. I hope someone will also cover it on Mastodon.
TBone
@TBone: fElon is a real piece of “work”
npr.org/2024/08/09/g-s1-16087/elon-musk-lawsuits-texas-same-judge-hears-them-tesla-stock
I am grateful to NPR for this journalism. Having this particular Federalist Society judge recuse is a BFD.
Baud
@cain:
I’m pretty sure Twitter can’t handle live streaming.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
With such hard-hitting questions as “is it wrong to call JD Vance a couch fucker?”
Doesn’t matter how brilliant the interview subject. Viewers can not come away from those interviews with nearly so many brain cells as they started with.
MCA1
@oldgold: Feels a bit too reminiscent of Clint Eastwood and the chair for my taste, but ymmv, of course.
SatanicPanic
@Kay: Yes, the media is going to talk about her, let some of the talking be her own words. She’s got this!
Gloria DryGarden
Not exactly OT, but I may need to be gently talked off the ledge:
Yesterday at the natural grocers, I ran into someone I’ve chatted with during sampling fairs. She has always seemed reasonable, and knowledgeable about her product. This conversation was a surprise though.
She had a lot of pro trump things to say, but she was calm, and logical sounding. She called herself a truther… She believes that the last election was stolen, and a whole lot of other things she believes, from the koolaid menu. She said all the news media is bullshit, nbc, etc. She said if I would listen to Trump, and not what the pundits say, it was clear all the good things he was intending, that he’s doing 5 dimensional chess….
And that no, it wasn’t Reagan destroying the fairness in report act, it was Obama, who made propaganda legal. And so on. When I asked for news sources to track down info, she said to get the rumble app, told me who she listens to on there. Oh dear.
It was disturbing. Deeply disturbing.
Can anyone tell me what Obama did, that’s getting framed this way?
I tried to bring up a point or two, but I’m not a great debater, and it was clear she wasn’t hearing the things I said, she was so very sure in what she believes. Weird. I felt so helpless in the face of her calm certainty.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I think it’s time to start researching how to break abusers’ holds over their victims. Some major Stockholm Syndrome going on here.
Baud
@Gloria DryGarden:
Get off the ledge. Crazy people exist. Obama did nothing.
Sister Golden Bear
@Baud: I believe we had streamed on YouTube previously, but in this context it may be referring to “vertical video” media, i.e. TikTok and Instagram, which only stream portrait-orientation videos (and this is new for Dems). So streaming vertical videos on YouTube may also be new.
Roughly one-third of Americans ages 18 to 29 say they get news regularly on TikTok, which only streams vertical video, per Pew Research Center, and vertical does seem to be the format favored by The Youngs, likely because they watch a lot of video content on their phones.
Baud
@Sister Golden Bear:
That makes sense. I’d imagine they’ll have a traditional horizontal YouTube feed as well.
Craig
@Baud: ‘I’ll be releasing a statement about that in the next few days’
Trollhattan
@Gloria DryGarden: Just that Obama came into office and that triggered frantic rumoring among RW media he was about to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
It might have been Big Dog who oversaw its sunsetting; it was definitely Clinton who participated in dismantling the firewalls against media consolidation.
Baud
@Craig:
Doesn’t matter how you couch it. If the interview is a bunch of that, it’ll come off poorly.
Baud
@Trollhattan:
Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine.
cain
@SatanicPanic:
Maybe. But they need to pick the time and place. Right now, they are building the enthusiasm and they need to focus on that. Then hit Fox News. Bring pictures of crowd sizes.
Gloria DryGarden
@oldgold: love it. Isn’t anthony Hopkins from uk, though? Still. Someone pls contact his agent. For real. Bet he’d come, he cares about things, has a sense of humor. Could hire him to make some ads, that get run, too. Hannibal lecter for Harris..
would it be too absurd or off message?
sdhays
@Baud: Unless you’re Trump. Then everyone will breathlessly report your imminent and very unique plan for X in the next two weeks.
For the next 8 years.
Sister Golden Bear
@Kay:
They’re more like con artists—and when I covered the courts as a journalist there were definitely a number of older ones. Often cases involving the business leaders whose defense was they weren’t scamming people, they just made bad business decisions, trusted financial employees who were secretly embezzling, etc. Likewise a community college board member who engaged in a little light corruption.
Partly, young people weren’t in the positions of power to do these sorts of fraud, but I think a big factor was that a life-time of entitlement led them to believe the laws didn’t apply to them and no one is gonna do anything about it. The latter belief was often grounded in past experience.
Old School
@Gloria DryGarden:
Looks like the Obama administration cleaned up the regulations in 2011.
caphilldcne
@Soprano2: writing in from vacay in England. I was put on cipro in February and I definitely experienced Achilles tendonitis. My doc was surprised, “we usually see that in young patients.” Anyway I completed the 5 day course and have experienced some tenderness in my tendons for awhile. On the other hand I’m currently in process of hiking the 80+ mile Hadrian’s wall path and am doing ok (day 2 of 7) with maybe some mild tendon discomfort. Blisters, tho … in any case, it’s survivable. If he’s having serious problems get to a physical therapist. That helped me.
Gloria DryGarden
@Baud: where are they getting their kook aid, and who is selling it to them with such thorough success, talking points they believe, but that trigger my bullshit detector?
they, she truly believes they are seeing the light, seeing past a bunch of our bullshit. Staunchly.
im used to trying to understand and see both sides, it’s some Libra thing in my chart, but I can’t. I just can’t. It was like being in front of the fun house warped mirror. It kind of rips at the fabric of how I be.
imma leave that cute typo up there. Koolaid, kookaid. Yup.
Sister Golden Bear
@Baud: Yes, they’ll have a traditional landscape video stream as well. Vertical video is just an expansion of what they’re already doing.
John Revolta
@Gloria DryGarden: Can anyone tell me what Obama did, that’s getting framed this way?
Presidentin’ While Black
Baud
@Old School:
Good find.
@Gloria DryGarden:
See # 336.
Gloria DryGarden
@caphilldcne: for hiking blisters, you cut non stick gauze (telfa pads) the size of the blister, then stick a larger piece of moleskin over that. Cuts the pain close to zero. Best if applied at the hot spot stage, worth stopping.
I’m an old backpacker. It works. Not sure if dr scrolls moleskin is available in uk, it’s just adhesive backed thin felt. Hope something works for you.
Omnes Omnibus
@oldgold: Why would we want to do stupid tricks like that?
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
It won’t happen, too inside baseball, but it’s funny for people who get it.
schrodingers_cat
@CaseyL: There are some valued sealions on this blog.
artem1s
@cain:
And Sec. Clinton. Iran buys a lot of arms from Russia. A lot of the reason Putin wanted Trump was because of policies and embargoes put in place while Clinton was in office. The only change Trump requested in the GOP platform in 2016 was that they endorse lifting sanctions put in place when Russia invaded Crimea. Can’t imagine who put that thought in his head.
rikyrah
Ashleigh Fields
@AshleighFields_
Yesterday,
@KamalaHarris
welcomed new students to
@HowardU
outside of the historic Cramton Auditorium, inspiring the crowd by saying, “you might be running for president of the United States.”
x.com/AshleighFields_/status/1823442736248484144
HumboldtBlue
rikyrah
@Gloria DryGarden:
Being President AND EXCELLENT while Black.
Period.
Plain and simple.
Black Excellence gets them everytime.
chemiclord
The mainstream media wants Trump to win.
That is all.
2liberal
Deadpool 3 jumped the shark. Maybe it’s better if you know all the x-men backstory and characters.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: was waiting for you to show. Thanks Milwaukee college radio for playing In a Hot Coma (aka the Haskell)! Is there a decent recording anywhere of “I wanna stay up all night” or is all 1970’s lo-fi?
Captain C
@Chris:
They’re not here for the hunting, that’s for sure.
UncleEbeneezer
@HumboldtBlue: I saw a very smart Dem woman I know saying how we all need to be respectful towards those who don’t feel they’ve gotten enough policy details from Harris yet and my jaw kinda dropped. If Harris never added to what she has already said, ever again, I am 100% certain that her position on ANY issue will be better than Trump’s. That’s all that matters to me. At this point, anyone demanding more or using it as justification for voting ambivalence is just trolling.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Take a listen to WYMS, 88.9. Non commercial alternative station.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I’ll take minimally informed over deliberately misinformed any day of the week.
Leto
@2liberal: I was laughing my ass off the entire time. I know the wife and I enjoyed it
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
At the NYT? No. No, there isn’t.
They have some good obituary writers. Penelope Green.
Baud
@UncleEbeneezer:
That doesn’t offend me. A lot of voters unfortunately won’t commit until the last moment. It’s strange to me but that’s what it is.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Baud: The virtue of an
emptyopen mind…zhena gogolia
@Gloria DryGarden: This sounds like a waste of your precious time. Drive on.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: Everyone should read that Buttigieg interview with NYT to see how it’s done. It’s a mug’s game.
Still, if she does it, I won’t blame her. I’m not blaming her for a goddamned thing.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
I’ll take your word for it. Not interested in giving them clicks.
Another Scott
@Gloria DryGarden: You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
You just can’t.
Snopes on the Fairness Doctrine, but that may not be what she was talking about. Dunno, FWIW.
Sometimes all you can do is shake your head and move on.
Hang in there!
Cheers,
Scott.
Kay
@HumboldtBlue:
I’ll take the wildly radical position that she should also state her policy agenda. I think this defensiveness is absolutely at odds with what we’re saying about a fresh start and positivity. It’s a winning message with a great candidate. I don’t want to load it up with baggage from every election since 2000.
moonbat
In answer to no one since no one was talking to me, but speaking as an ex-professional journalist: MSM broadcast media lost its credibility when the news divisions were placed under the network’s entertainment divisions — accuracy and fairness is always going to take a backseat to a Narrative that can be told to the masses to keep them entertained. Combine that with the end of the Fairness Doctrine mentioned above and you have a recipe for the disaster we are currently facing.
As for the legacy dead tree media, if the NYT blithely helping Bush II lie us into a senseless war with Iraq didn’t give you a clue as to how far it would allow its owners’ political leanings influence the quality of its reporting on issues that were going to place our military in harm’s way then there is nothing I or anyone else an say to allay your ‘concerns.’ They weren’t deceived by Bush/Cheney and Halliburton Inc. They were in on it.
ETA I too used to hold out hope that the WaPo had some standards left but the last year has disabused me of that illusion.
Baud
@Kay:
She will. People don’t like being told she needs to do it on someone else’s terms or timetable, so they’re reacting to that.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: that was the first station I added to my rental car presets, followed by 91.7 WMSE. Not sure if they are also local bands but check out Wolfmanhattan Project’s “braid of smoke” and Ugly Miss Piggy’s “maniac!”
2liberal
Thanks for the response. The box office take is over a billion so you’ve probably got the objectively correct answer
Kay
@Baud:
I know she will. The Democratic Party is a functioning institution.
Gloria DryGarden
@John Revolta: presidenting while black
crap! JFC. Omg. No, I believe you, about Obama.
Caramba, over skin color. An intelligent articulate clear well spoken brilliant man.
I admit, that though skin color doesn’t make me want to exclude or make snap decisions about someone, at all… it’s more like I want to lean into including (and probably get it wrong sometimes),
the idea of a woman leader is hitting my internalized oppression, as it gets called, about women. Growing up, women were moms, teachers, nurses, secretaries, nuns. And not much else, in the 50s and 60s. I love that we can be drs, engineers, priests, ceo, a president, now. ( and professors scientists, published authors, leaders, activists, etc)
But the old layers, a woman’s place, the beauty judgement stuff as it intersects with brilliance and competence, it’s stirring around. Hell I derailed from engineering because I saw how much hazing and shit I was going to get, especially as a very pretty young woman, who was smart enough to be able to run circles around a lot of my classmates. I understand we’re smart and competent, I know it inside, and through people I know. It’s quite strange to know better, think I’m all conscious, and run into this layer inside that’s kind of squirming.
I need some good conversations w some women about this. I’m surely not the only one noticing this odd internal unrest. I’m not worried about how I’ll vote, and you don’t have to worry about me either. I’m just not sure how to go about clearing up this internal disconnect, but it’s sure coming up for a shift..
if anyone has thoughtful kind insights, I’ll listen. And, I know this isn’t always the place for tons of introspection..
(I’m not outing myself here to get flamed, and though I’m happy to know who’s an asshole, I don’t really want to start on the pie thing.)
Thank you to whoever explained up above about beauty comments, and ms Harris; that was really great. And clear. Oddly because I never hung out in corporate world, and don’t have tv, I am just learning about how Beaty compliments are a put down, and disempowering. I just didn’t get the memo.
Geminid
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: That’s why I like radio news: short bulletins on the hour and half hour. They’ll run 15 to 20 different stories in a day. There is not a lot of depth, but breadth is a kind of depth in itself.
UncleEbeneezer
@Baud: It’s the lying part that bothers me. They claim they just haven’t gotten the right answer yet and that’s why they are uncommitted. In my experience, the vast majority of them are full of shit and will move the goal-posts every time.
Baud
@UncleEbeneezer:
Definitely are people like that, but also there are a bunch of late deciders. It’s like trying to figure out who on the Internet is serious and who’s trolling. Sometimes it’s easy, and sometimes it’s not.
Kay
It’s incorrect – our senate candidates were doing quite well prior to Biden’s departure. In fact, our House candidates are doing quite well too. Quietly. Sort of under the radar.
I was waiting for political media to notice, and they’re starting to. Republicans in congressional races should be doing much better than they are. They’re underperforming. Again.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Kay: I’ll agree of course she should have a policy agenda. Indeed, for the most part we already know what it is.
The media, however, will take every opportunity to miss her speaking about it in her own terms, insist she account for every penny for fantasy laws that haven’t even been glanced at by Congress, then whip everyone into a frenzy over Republicans’…spurious takes on that to-the-penny accounting.
We shouldn’t talk about policy in any more detail than can what be firmly promised and be clear on the rest that these are goals, to be worked out in concert with others.
No President’s exact legislative proposal has made it through Congress untouched. We pretend like the minutiae matter, but in terms of an election they don’t. Minutiae are ammo.
K-Mo
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Plenty of good ways to answer that question. She’s not trying to increase anyone’s brain cell count, she’s just trying to win.
As I’m sure she’ll sit down for an interview at some point. It is what it is. In the meantime she’s doing a great job of defining her own image. They will try to knock her off message, but she’s plenty sharp enough to steer things back to the things she wants to say.
K-Mo
@Gloria DryGarden: This person is not persuadable.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
The best part of this approach; if something piques your interest, you can look into it yourself. You can always find accurate info on the text of a bill. Debate in Congress is just put up on CSPAN unadulterated.
We don’t need overpaid news org representatives to do our thinking for us.
Dan B
@geg6: 100% agree. The papers, and networks, of record have morphed into propaganda for the well off. Teen Vogue, Essence, and bloggers, as you note, have better reach, if your goal is to let people know who you are, not to have your message manipulated or downright corrupted. Send Tim Walz to Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg. Have a blast!
Kay
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
I think the plans on reproductive rights are evolving- a recognition that the far Right has the SCOTUS. I don’t quite understand it yet but the general idea is to pass federal legislation that would bar a federal law banning abortions. That would operate not to codify Roe (which may be impossible) but instead to protect states that protect womens rights, and also shore up some of the federal laws we DO have (protect medical abortions, secure ER access and treatment for all women, etc)
That’s the direction the legal approach is going. We needed to get creative and we are.
I’m hoping she can talk about that with groups of liberals and Dems. I think that’s a “in the family” talk.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@K-Mo: That’s all well and good. I’ll trust Harris to do what she needs to.
I already know what I have to do in November, I’ll leave the brain rot interviews to the normies.
Craig
@SatanicPanic: there is news, and there is political coverage. Follow the news to see accounts of a train derailment. Do not get any political coverage from 24hour cable, or MSM outlets. Plenty of coverage of what’s going on in politics all over the Internet.
Baud
@Craig:
Good point. That’s what I do. Try to focus on articles that look like hard news instead of polling or political “analysis.” That means nothing to me.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
A federal law to ban a federal law, can’t that be undone by…a federal law?
Kay
@Gloria DryGarden:
I think the context of the “beauty comments” matters. I’ve had two men tell me they think Harris is good looking and it was just a statement of fact for them. I don’t think it’s offensive at all. It’s also plainly true – she is an attractive person.
cain
@rikyrah:
Fuck me, and they think Biden is senile? He picked it out right off that this was an attempt to define his presidency and Kamala Harris as liberal eg progressive.
This is one smart operator.
StringOnAStick
@M31: I think you’re the person who suggested I try water running to rehab an Achilles injury; if so, thank you because it’s working.
Kay
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
I’ll read more and maybe link to the theorists :)
Gloria DryGarden
@Kay: good.
yesterday I met a doula from Nc, who said a woman had to be flown fr Virginia to NC, to get her ectopic pregnancy removed.
it’s an outrage.
These kinds of medical situations , emergencies, the chance of sepsis, all the varied medical things needed but that get interrupted by the anti abortion laws,
it’s good to stop that, and get people appropriate care. Love that there are strategies in place.
cain
@SatanicPanic:
I agree, that was unnecessary. Let’s have civil discourse and not jump into accusing the other of something. We really should have some kind of code of conduct, yalls. Damn.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Kay: Sounds good. I will definitely follow a link if I see it.
@cain: Sorry, it gets frustrating when someone spends an hour disregarding what you’re saying and trying to argue on separate terms. SatanicPanic does not come across as stupid, so I was lead to start questioning motivation.
Dan B
@Baud: It feels like an argument to start to reward, and build up, credible journalistic outlets. We’re not going to move the oligarch run outlets. At some time we’re going to have a responsive media or we’re going to have Project 2025 version 3.5, or similar. Whether this is the time to make that change or if there’s a strategic path to do so is the question.
SatanicPanic
@Craig: I mostly agree with this.
On politics the news is fine for saying “Trump got in a plane and flew to Alabama today” but “5 Winners and Losers from Today’s Trump Presser” is the kind of stuff I couldn’t care less about.
Gloria DryGarden
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: this
A Man for All Seasonings (formerly Geeno)
@SatanicPanic:
Because you’re a troll who decided the thread had to be about himself (have some pie troll)
Matt McIrvin
@Old School: Ooh, that is interesting–not only that Obama technically did it, but that the wingnut-industrial complex is apparently triggering on that as a “no, Obama made propaganda legal” talking point.
SatanicPanic
@cain: Thanks, I know some of my opinions are glib and/or stupid, but I do come by them honestly.
I’m just a lowly, entry-level library worker, I have no hidden agenda.
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
I think someone up thread warned us about librarians.
Gloria DryGarden
@geg6: same age as you. I need some news source suggestions. I just get YouTube. I see different blogs suggested along these threads, but I haven’t kept track or made myself a good list.
a lot of pundits take too long to say stuff, and each new update seems to only move ahead by an inch at a time, plus it gets all productive, and I’m tired. Got lots to attend to. But would like to kind of keep up.
open to suggestions
Geminid
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: I like how when there’s some dispute in the Senate, the radio news reader will summarize it and then I’ll hear 10 to 15 second soundbites from Mitch McConnell and then Chuck Schumer. Listeners get to hear the Republican side argued in McConnell’s mushy Kentucky drawl and then they hear Schumer give the Dem side in his nasal Brooklyn accent.
It’s quite a juxtaposition! But I think many listeners can draw correct conclusions about the matter without guidance or editorialising.
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
You are buying into the idea that legacy media are the only ones that matter. They are not. And they become less so every day.
I actually should be the one defending them because I grew up in a home with a journalist, my mom. I also worked at the local newspaper myself just after college. I have an intense love for journalism and what it can do and for those who do their constitutional duty. It pains me to see legacy media brought so low. But I know in my bones the difference between reporting and propaganda. Propaganda is a major factor in totalitarian and fascist societies. I won’t support propaganda.
moonbat
@Dan B: It is exactly that. I mean, why not let market forces work their magic and support outlets that put in the work to get their facts straight or dig for the stories that don’t come in a prepackaged press release (I’m thinking ProPublica here) and shun those that don’t? The world doesn’t owe the NYT, WaPo, CNN or anybody an audience because at one time decades ago they were good.
In fact, I’d dispute that many of these outlets are really “mainstream” anymore considering that everything has been placed behind paywalls. It’s information for those who can afford a subscription. How could their coverage not skew toward monied interests?
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Oh, good, then surely you are well aware that there are myriad good sources that aren’t NYT, WaPo, CNN,MSNBC, Fox, et al.
Yeah, I’m glib too.
Gloria DryGarden
@rikyrah: god, that’s exciting
yes, yes yes, YES
Steve in the ATL
For anyone who can’t handle Satanic Panic, how about Frantic Romantic?
Bonus: Scientists!
SatanicPanic
@geg6: I don’t believe they’re the only ones that matter, I don’t even think the media is that great. I just don’t think it’s as bad as people say, but whatever. The calculus for me is it’s the easiest way to get in front of the most people and we only have a couple months. So concerns about propping up the media should be secondary to winning the election.
@Baud: I wish! I’m almost finished with my degree but for now I am just a library worker. But I love my job so it’s cool.
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
I thought you were fine. You are in no way a “troll” for disagreeing and you;ve been perfectly civil and reasoned.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Geminid: Exactly this. The true substance of most things can be summarized fairly quickly. If you need more detail, most of us were taught how to find that.
I used to drive through multiple newspapers and other sources to stay as on top of the facts as I could handle. This accomplished nothing, save for an observation that all analysis is trash and even good reporting gets served with a healthy dose of skew.
All I need now is to check in occasionally. We’re doing what? Great/terrible. The good guys and bad guys are the same? Great. I’m done here.
Gloria DryGarden
@Kay: she is attractive. And in our society, the way we grew up, I think it helps. Plus her upbeat positive approach and outlook. I’m not buying that all compliments are disempowering.
but I am understanding it can be. Because it’s effectiveness combined w being palatable. Beauty. Or articulate well thought out communication. Policy, holding the line. It’s all of it.
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
She’ll do the interviews, they’ll be fine and then you can say “I told you so” :)
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
If you want to discuss unimportant, clickbaity things…yeah, sure.
::Sits back and recalls an hour of bloviating on every network over Trump’s empty podium while Hillary Clinton was actively making a policy speech::
@Kay: Again, Harris’s ability to perform well in an interview is not the issue here.
Geminid
@geg6: I’ve noticed some good state- and regional-centered internet news sites popping up. Cardinal News has a lot of coverage of Southside and western Virginia news, and Arizona’s Courthouse News seems to have good coverage of Arizona political news.
Kay
@Gloria DryGarden:
Right. It was in no way nasty or leering. Just an ordinary compliment.
Darkrose
@rikyrah: Thanks for linking this! Excellent read, and great photos.
Kay
@Gloria DryGarden:
And it’s different when you’re talking about someone who is a public figure. I would hope they wouldn’t be “you sure are good looking!” if they’re working with her or meet her or something. Ugh.
Chief Oshkosh
@Betty Cracker:
Print equivalent is everyone at ProPublica, IMO.
Gloria DryGarden
@Trollhattan: what does this mean?
: Just that Obama came into office and that triggered frantic rumoring among RW media he was about to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
Kay
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Right. Got it. Your issue. I don’t think you can tell me what I think is important.
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
Second Skin, then a fabric bandaid is what we use, along with two socks, one grippy, one slippery, slippery one goes on first.
geg6
@Dan B:
And if you must do a network interview, do The View or Kimmel or Colbert. Fuck those self important assholes in the news division. I’ve seen those women on The View take down many a guest with the kinds of questions real people want answered. And they get great ratings and make news. But I hope she never speaks to the NYT. They don’t deserve a second of her time.
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Not covering a speech isn’t really the same though, right? We’re talking about Harris sitting down with a reporter to do an interview. They’d probably air that. Then she’s at least offering her own side to things. Right now the networks’ choice is to air her speeches or to just do that talking head thing with the usual gang of idiots. I have heard what people think is the downside, and I disagree that it’s important at this very moment.
But Harris is going to do what she’s going to do, she’s definitely not asking me for advice
Edit- I agree with geg6 that The View would be great. That would be my first choice. She would be great on there.
Gloria DryGarden
@Trollhattan: what does this mean?
: Just that Obama came into office and that triggered frantic rumoring among RW media he was about to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
@rikyrah: why would anyone turn away excellence?
I’m into excellence
big sigh.
they need a blind fold test, either listening, or tasting ice cream flavors, or better yet, apples, since they come in many colors and variations.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: I don’t know second skin brand. I’m sure you are right. Yes, a thin sock under a thick sock, but I still got blisters, needed my moleskin kit in the backpack. Super useful
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Kay: I’m not saying what you should or shouldn’t think important. I’m saying what is or is not relevant to the argument I’m making.
Kamala Harris could shine like the sun in a NYT interview and they still wouldn’t deserve the clicks.
Things…according to a frame that the media decide. Why should I believe that the vapid stuff they put on their front pages won’t be the same things they’ll try to ask about in an interview?
japa21
@SatanicPanic:
Evidence please.
Dan B
@SatanicPanic: I’ll answer. You are very annoying. Please acknowledge that we have our own viewpoints. Stop whining when we don’t agree with you 100%. Stop sounding like the victim.
geg6
@Gloria DryGarden:
To start, get a subscription to Josh Marshall’s joint, Talking Points Memo (TPM). Good political reporting and commentary, good investigative journalism and many links to stories in other media (I don’t click on them all on principle, because..well, sometimes Politico or NYT or some other bunch of hacks). Heather Cox Richardson’s Letters From an American substack is great. Pro Publica is fantastic. Start with those and they’ll lead you to all kinds of interesting things.
Geminid
@Geminid: I have also found, while researching news on the clean energy transition, that industry news sites provide good reporting. Oil Price has plenty of stories about clean energy projects, and Maritime Executive does too.
And if I’m looking at the relative merits of fuel cell vs. battery propulsion for Class 8 trucks, and want to get beyond the opinions of proponents of the two technologies, FreightWaves tries to give fleet owners the straight scoop. Their readers don’t want to know about the hype, they want to know what the bottom line is.
Kay
This is hysterical:
A confident campaign
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: I’m specifically talking about cable news or network news where people can see and hear her, not print news. If they ask dumb questions, I think she’ll be fine. Obama was fine at those.
If she wants to skip the NYT or other print media I could see there are pros and cons for that.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@SatanicPanic: The broadcast networks are worse than print. Also, again, “she will be fine” is not and can not be a satisfying answer to “these frivolous news organizations are trash and should be ignored.”
I know your quite fond of your stawman, but still…
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
Second Skin is basically a layer of adhesive, a layer of cooling, cushioning, moist gel, an outer layer of slippery plastic, all perforated to allow breathing.
ER’s also use it as a burn treatment and short term skin replacement.
High end Outdoors Brands sell double layer one piece socks to prevent blisters. They are a bit of a PITA at times, kinda like how a fitted sheet swallows all your other laundry in the washer and dryer.
Another sock option is a gortex sock, inside a wool sock. Feet stay dry and you can use light hikers in wetter conditions.
Manyakitty
@Soprano2: I’d be careful — at least keep an eye out. I experienced Achilles tendon pain and stopped right away. Everything seems fine but who knows?
SatanicPanic
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: TV news are not worse in the specific sense that I am talking about. You go on TV, you do an interview, and viewers see it as it is. If you are very concerned, do it live, and then selective editing is not a problem either. With print, you go in, do an interview, and then they edit it and print what they want. That’s giving them way more power to present the story than a TV interview does.
It’s not meant to be an answer to that. I’ve said up and down this thread that winning a war against the media isn’t what I think is the most important thing right now.
When I say “She’ll be fine” I’m saying she’ll be able to respond to stupid questions in an appropriate matter that will appear reasonable to viewers.
Darkrose
@SatanicPanic: One of my favorite sayings from a librarian on a podcast is, “I’m a librarian. I have opinions, and a degree.”
FWIW, going to library school from 2016-2019–and having been a journalist in the 1980’s–is why I have so much contempt for the political media. National political reporters are stenographers who have turned objectivity into a fetish, and their both-sides kink is not my kink, and it’s not okay. The more I’ve learned about information literacy, the more furious I get at the so-called journalists at the WaPo and NYT who uncritically launder right-wing bullshit or worse, save the actual stories for their books.
I trust Harris and her campaign to deal with the press, and if that makes Sulzberger cry, then good.
SatanicPanic
@Dan B: I’m not whining that anyone doesn’t agree. I’m pointing out that someone is making it personal and that’s not cool. People can disagree all they want, that’s their right and I am fine with that. Not every take I have is perfect and I know it. Sheesh.
@Darkrose: sounds like you made the same mid-career change I did!
I agree though, if Harris wants to take another route than the one I suggested, it’s fine. I honestly don’t think it’s worth her time to talk to NYT.
divF
@SatanicPanic: As I said above. If it is owned by plutocrats, you make a prima facie assumption that they will act in bad faith with Democrats, purely as a business matter. And don’t tell me how great the WaPo is – Bezos just hired a couple of Murdoch press alums to run the place. William Lewis, the CEO and publisher, has a train of ethical scandals left behind him in the UK. He also told the Post staff, “Your audience has halved in recent years. People are not reading your stuff. Right. I can’t sugarcoat it anymore.” So there goes your great news reporting.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Thus furthering the cause of stupid questions.
If not now, when? They’re the ones who have our society spinning our wheels. We will continue to struggle with solvable problems as long as the media keeps our electorate focused on the latest shiny object.
Dan B
@Gloria DryGarden: As a gay tern guy from the time Joe McCarthy Carthy was calling us security risks and perverted it rarely, if ever, surprises me when people believe things with absolute certainty, that have no or near zero reality. At age 14 I knew that no adult gay had “recruited” me. I didn’t know any gay men, or lesbians. When I was older I didn’t have any interest in kids and didn’t know any gay men who did. Much of the Psychiatric profession was fine with LGBT+ people being in the DSM (clinically insane). The same is true if you examine the history of bigotry. Humans are rational in terms of using logic, twisted or otherwise, to justify beliefs. Don’t try to persuade with words. Your actions and how you live your life are the only effective tools. State your beliefs and let it go. Arguing logic and facts threatens the foundation their beliefs are built upon.
Uncle Cosmo
In fact it is not. It’s something much more insidious: an example of what Robert A. Heinlein described as “the second best way to lie:”
The omitted truth insinuates that Democratic candidates are doing quite well only because Biden left the Presidential race, when in fact they were doing quite as well long before that. Essentially it implies a false correlation/causation.
(Just FTR Heinlein [through the voice of his protagonist in Time Enough for Love] defined the best way to lie as “Tell the truth, and tell all of it, but tell it in such a manner that your listeners are certain you’re lying.” A much more difficult trick.)
apocalipstick
@geg6: Nicole Wallace? Bush/McCain Nicole Wallace? The woman who knew Palin was toxic and said nada?
Uncle Cosmo
I would hope that if Kamala sits down for an interview with the Herrenvoelkischer Beobachter, um, Vichy Times, she arrives with several cameras and camera operators to record, with audio, every second of the interview from various angles. The Times would be welcome to a copy, but the campaign would assert the right to release publicly the entire interview if, in the campaign’s opinion, the Times altered, edited, or misrepresented anything she or her questioners said. (That was standard practice at least 50 years ago in political polling, to protect the reputation of the pollster in the event its customer released distorted, inaccurate, or incomplete results for political advantage.)
artem1s
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
To paraphrase Nancy Smash…Never, how does never sound?
There is no “war against the media”. Harris’ job right now is to engage as many voters as possible – directly – not thru anyone else’s framing. She should keep doing exactly what she and Walz’ are doing. Take control of the framing.
Never ever ever stop communicating with voters to explain yourself to the media. There is no there, there. There is no ‘win’ there. Ask Hillary how many times apologizing for the emails was enough?
Dan B
@Kay: I think Harris is beautiful, Tim Walz is not a handsome man now. He’s astoundingly engaging and enthusiastic with a catalog of great stories. Shapiro and Beshear would have fit the tall, handsome, patrician mold but it’s great to have good cheer and lack of ego on the ticket. Better yet it’s fantastic!
Citizen Alan
@Jackie: Best Biden interview ever, IMO. He was flat out laughing in worthless Lester Holt’s face over the media harping on BIden’s debate performance while totally ignoring Trump’s blatant lies. “God bless ya,” he said.
Citizen Alan
@Gloria DryGarden: You can’t argue with cult dogma. Which is why whenever a MAGAt starts talking in my presence, I just stare at them in contempt and say “Did your cult leader tell you that?”
Dan B
@geg6: Colbert and Kimmel are more trusted than most any TV pol.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
They brought the war to us. The most prominent media organizations, to a one, are obstacles to a sustainable and equitable society.
Again, this fallacy. There are other smaller media outlets actually doing good work. Acknowledge and empower them by granting them the access.
We don’t have to limit ourselves by accepting the big players as gatekeepers. Their reach is limited, too, and there are new ways to reach voters every day. The internet provides.
If we just have to accept the media landscape as it is and…comply🤮…we’re just biding time until they inevitably succeed at pushing full-scale fascism over the line.
Sally
I am sure y’all will tell me I’m wrong to worry, but … I do wonder, worry, that with the abortion referenda in the election mix in various states, some, too many, republicans will think “I can vote for the referendum to secure abortion rights, then safely vote for the R candidate. All will be well”. Not so! No rights will be secure of the R’s get into power again. Not this time.
Sally
@Baud: Which is exactly what trump does – I’ll be releasing that item in (the legendary) two weeks. MSM accepts that from him, and then fails to follow up.
Sally
@tam1MI: Someone suggested Teen Vogue
Villago Delenda Est
@Trollhattan: Which is why I characterize Bill Clinton as the best Republican President since Ike.
Princess
@Soprano2: probably too late and a dead thread but I do know an adult who had problems with tendons after Cipro. That adult took it for longer than ten days.