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You Know Who Else was a Proponent of a Healthy Diet? (Hint: He Was a Vegetarian)

by @heymistermix.com|  November 19, 202411:13 am| 126 Comments

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You Know Who Else was a Proponent of a Healthy Diet?  (Hint:  He Was a Vegetarian)

Here’s the Booker piece in Politico that Polis is referring to.

I’m not enough of a Mr. Brightside to think that RFK Jr’s almost-certain assault on vaccines and his plans to downsize the NIH will be made up with his focus on a healthier diet, but I guess I just don’t have the genius insight that allows Jared Polis and Corey Booker to pick a tiny peanut out of the torrent of shit that will certainly come from an RFK Jr. appointment.

You Know Who Else was a Proponent of a Healthy Diet?  (Hint:  He Was a Vegetarian) 1

I also want to congratulate Chris Coons on getting an approving tweet from Elon Musk’s PAC by going on Fox News and babbling some nonsense about the great potential of Musk and Ramaswamy’s slash-and-burn government-killing commission.

We’re finding out quickly who has some fight and who doesn’t, and it ain’t pretty.

In other news, I wonder who the first Democrat will be to sign on to Nancy Mace’s bill to make sure only biological females use the women’s restrooms in the House.  This bill is aimed at the first openly transgender member of Congress, Sarah McBride, from Chris Coons’ home state of Delaware.

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  1. 1.

    Chetan Murthy

    November 19, 2024 at 11:19 am

    I’m so old I remember when Coons was mooted to be one of the ones riding in Sinemansion’s resistance to ending the filibuster.  I guess we see him now, stripped named of his camouflage.  Sigh.

  2. 2.

    [email protected]

    November 19, 2024 at 11:20 am

    Nancy Mace is a vile human being.

  3. 3.

    Chris Johnson

    November 19, 2024 at 11:20 am

    Could be a ‘please proceed, Governor’

    This could also be a good pie-trolling thread. I used to use another guy’s threads for this, but who’s to say there’s only one kind of troll to pie? :)

  4. 4.

    MFA

    November 19, 2024 at 11:20 am

    And the list of ‘who goes Nazi’ grows.

  5. 5.

    eclare

    November 19, 2024 at 11:22 am

    Jeezus.  I got nothin.

  6. 6.

    rk

    November 19, 2024 at 11:23 am

    I don’t get this preemptive surrender. One option is to just keep quiet. Why the need to make approving noises?

  7. 7.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:26 am

    Antivax and diet crank nonsense is not only not confined to the right, both pretty much originated on the left. Stupidity knows no political orientation

  8. 8.

    @mistermix.bsky.social

    November 19, 2024 at 11:28 am

    @rk:

    I don’t get this preemptive surrender. One option is to just keep quiet. Why the need to make approving noises?

    Because now’s a time that they can get some cheap attention by being a bit of a contrarian.  Also, Booker and Coons are probably a little scared by the rightward shift of the supposedly solidly blue Northeast and want to appear “not too liberal”.

  9. 9.

    oldster

    November 19, 2024 at 11:30 am

    So depressing. I’d like to think they are keeping their powder dry. But when are they going to use it at all?

  10. 10.

    JerseyBeard

    November 19, 2024 at 11:33 am

    My senior Senator is getting a very focused call from me this morning that asks one question: “What do you call a Nazi that is pro-organic-food? A FUCKING NAZI.”

  11. 11.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:34 am

    Quoted without comment from today’s Heather Cox Richardson piece: “Ramaswamy today posted on social media, ‘A reasonable formula to fix the U.S. government: Milei-style cuts, on steroids.’ He has suggested that cuts are easier than people think. The Washington Post’s Philip Bump noted that on a podcast in September, Ramaswamy said as an example: ‘If your Social Security number ends in an odd number, you’re out. If it ends in an even number, you’re in. There’s a 50 percent cut right there. Of those who remain, if your Social Security number starts in an even number, you’re in, and if it starts with an odd number, you’re out. Boom. That’s a 75 percent reduction done.’ “

  12. 12.

    Doctor Science

    November 19, 2024 at 11:35 am

    I’m from NJ, so I just called Booker’s office & talked to a staffer. I quoted parts of Polis’ tweet to her, said it had gone viral on Xitter & Bluesky, and said people are VERY upset at the idea that Booker might be inclined to join Polis in sanewashing RFKJr. She said she’d pass my (our) concerns along, and that the Senator would try to make a public statement (not clear timeframe).

    I also urged the office to start using their Bluesky account bsky.app/profile/corybooker.com, which is just sitting there empty.

    My reading of the Politico article is that Booker is disgusted that RFKJr is trying to take credit for things other people have done earlier, better & more sincerely, and that Polis has willfully misread it — but we’ll have to see.

  13. 13.

    zhena gogolia

    November 19, 2024 at 11:38 am

    @rk: The NYT is unbelievable. Graphics of toothpaste that won’t go back in the tube. (I don’t recall that in 2020.) I restrict myself to the Arts section now, but the headline: “Auction Market Is Pondering a Trump Bump.” 🤮

  14. 14.

    hrprogressive

    November 19, 2024 at 11:39 am

    I am not even a little bit kidding when I say that for some of these people, bipartisanship is their drug, they are in withdrawal, and if they got to come away from a political interaction with the perceived Gold Medal of Democrats And Republicans Working Together, they would not be happier.

    They’ll keep this up, up to and until they are put in cuffs and frog-marched to the Trump Gulags.

    At which point, James Carville will send a dire fundraising email to “fight the good fight to get them out”.

    No, this is not The Onion. No, this isn’t satire.

  15. 15.

    kindness

    November 19, 2024 at 11:39 am

    The FAFO stage will be both horrifying to watch and amusing watching people who voted for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces become shocked to find their faces are on the menu.

    We really have to stop making stupid a pinnacle of American existence.

  16. 16.

    Kathleen

    November 19, 2024 at 11:40 am

    Still trying to figure out why Democrats like “milquetoast” Hakeem Jeffries indicating openness to working with Republicans are judged harshly but Bernie jumping in to say he’s willing to work with Trump on credit card charges doesn’t elicit the same level of invective.

  17. 17.

    @mistermix.bsky.social

    November 19, 2024 at 11:40 am

    @Doctor Science:

    My reading of the Politico article is that Booker is disgusted that RFKJr is trying to take credit for things other people have done earlier, better & more sincerely, and that Polis has willfully misread it — but we’ll have to see.

    I think Polis is the real turd in the punchbowl on RFK Jr.  I don’t understand his political calculus.  Colorado is pretty blue, and he’s term limited.  Hickenlooper is 72 and is up next cycle, so maybe he knows something about Hickenlooper’s intentions, even though age 74 (in 2026) is still a spring chicken as far as the Senate is concerned.

  18. 18.

    rikyrah

    November 19, 2024 at 11:40 am

    Get thee ENTIRE PHUCK OUTTA HERE with this bullshyt.

  19. 19.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:41 am

    @Kathleen: Thinking… thinking…

  20. 20.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:42 am

    @@mistermix.bsky.social: Libertarianism is a personality disorder.

  21. 21.

    Cathie from Canada

    November 19, 2024 at 11:43 am

    Shouldn’t this be called what it is – “being a Good German”?  Joe and Mila led the way yesterday and many more will follow, as what I call “Trump 2: the Revenge Tour” gets underway.

    But I acknowledge that its easy for me to criticize,  because I don’t live in your country nor do I have relatives there.

  22. 22.

    ArchTeryx

    November 19, 2024 at 11:44 am

    @Chetan Murthy: Delaware Senators have always been corporate tools. Remember “Senator Biden (D-MBNA)?” The Bankruptcy Bill? The milquetoast non-resistance to the W regime? The shit he did to Anita Hill?

    Not so much an indictment of Biden as of the culture that produces Senators from Delaware. When he became Obama’s VP, his attitudes underwent a sea change from when he was the Senator from MBNA. I lived in DE long enough to know who butters who’s bread in that state.

  23. 23.

    @mistermix.bsky.social

    November 19, 2024 at 11:45 am

    @Kathleen:

    Still trying to figure out why Democrats like “milquetoast” Hakeem Jeffries indicating openness to working with Republicans are judged harshly but Bernie jumping in to say he’s willing to work with Trump on credit card charges doesn’t elicit the same level of invective.

    I don’t agree with all of Bernie’s critique of the election and will get around to discussing it at some point.  But I think that saying you’ll partner with Trump on (some popular thing) is different from saying “gosh there’s a lot of common ground with (nazi / vaccine denying nutcases) and Democrats.

    Trump hasn’t named his Secretary of the Treasury nominee yet.  Let’s see what Bernie says about that person.

  24. 24.

    FDRLincoln

    November 19, 2024 at 11:46 am

    What a bunch of fucking cowards.

    The only ONLY thing to say about RFK Jr is “dangerous and unqualified for the post.”

    I can understand why people like Biden and Obama and Harris are holding back at the moment and “following norms.” Trump did win the election legitimately.

    But there’s no reason, no reason at all for any of the congresspeople to preemptively surrender on these lunatic cabinet proposals.

  25. 25.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:47 am

    @@mistermix.bsky.social: It isn’t even noon and this is the dumbest thing I will read today. Laughable sophistry.

  26. 26.

    Lobo

    November 19, 2024 at 11:47 am

    As a reminder to our dear leaders:

    Paraphrasing Jyn Urso:  This is the opposition, isn’t it.  I oppose.

    Boy, do they need a reminder.   This contrarian, savvy, edgy look is so tiresome.  Also, just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn’t mean it is good or useful.

    Sigh!

  27. 27.

    ArchTeryx

    November 19, 2024 at 11:47 am

    @Cathie from Canada: Don’t get overly comfortable. What shit starts spewing from here WILL make its way up to Canada, and you got your own right-wing revolution on tap when your next elections come around.

  28. 28.

    FDRLincoln

    November 19, 2024 at 11:50 am

    “While I don’t agree with all of Chancellor Hitler’s proposals regarding ethnic cleansing and dictatorship, I look forward to cooperating with him on the construction of the Autobahn.”

  29. 29.

    Old School

    November 19, 2024 at 11:50 am

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Of those who remain, if your Social Security number starts in an even number, you’re in, and if it starts with an odd number, you’re out. Boom. That’s a 75 percent reduction done.’

    Brilliant!

    Of course, while the numbering system is no longer is place, for older people, it targets people born in certain states.

  30. 30.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:51 am

    @ArchTeryx: Right after the next election. Poilièvre is a real wacko.

  31. 31.

    ArchTeryx

    November 19, 2024 at 11:53 am

    @Steve LaBonne: Yeah, I figured that out when he proposed a national abortion ban in Canada. That one went down like a lead balloon, but he could do a whole lot of damage at the provincial level for women’s health care on both sides of the border. I’m sure Alberta would lead the charge on an abortion ban and Saskatchewan would be following right behind.

  32. 32.

    John S.

    November 19, 2024 at 11:53 am

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Blog favorite John Rogers agrees with your assessment of libertarians:

    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

  33. 33.

    ArchTeryx

    November 19, 2024 at 11:54 am

    @Steve LaBonne: Libertarianism is just fascism with a bong.

  34. 34.

    lowtechcyclist

    November 19, 2024 at 11:55 am

    @Kathleen:

    Still trying to figure out why Democrats like “milquetoast” Hakeem Jeffries indicating openness to working with Republicans are judged harshly but Bernie jumping in to say he’s willing to work with Trump on credit card charges doesn’t elicit the same level of invective.

    One reason is that Jeffries is House Democratic Leader, he represents not just his district or state but the whole damn caucus.

    My attitude towards Bernie is the same, but what Bernie says matters a lot less.  He doesn’t speak for me, but as House Democratic Caucus leader, Jeffries sorta does.

  35. 35.

    jonas

    November 19, 2024 at 11:56 am

    So Michelle Obama planting a vegetable garden and encouraging kids to eat healthy was the worst tyranny in the history of the world, but Sec. Brainworms launching a crusade to eliminate chemicals and anti-aural vibrations or whathefuckever from the food chain and end vaccine programs is all good?

  36. 36.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:57 am

    @lowtechcyclist: Booker doesn’t lead anything, any more than St. Bernie does.

  37. 37.

    Sister Golden Bear

    November 19, 2024 at 11:57 am

    Putting down a marker…. Republicans will try to make Rep.-elect Sarah McBride’s life hell. It won’t stop at bathrooms. They’ll use “rules of decorum” to require she be misgendered, i.e. “the gentleman from Delaware” and use the dress code to require her to wear men’s clothing.

  38. 38.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 11:58 am

    @Sister Golden Bear: I would bet serious money that you’re right, alas.

  39. 39.

    Geminid

    November 19, 2024 at 11:59 am

    @Kathleen: It’s really not that hard to figure out. In this formulation, more moderate Democrats like Booker and Jeffries are the enemy within, while Sanders and his “Progressive” colleagues are occasionally misguided allies.

    This is part of a more general debate about the Party’s future direction that is similar to the one that followed Hilary Clinton’s loss in 2016. That one went on for a couple cycles and I expect this one will as well. Some of the names have changed, but the issues and argumentative techniques have not.

  40. 40.

    John S.

    November 19, 2024 at 12:00 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Bernie is also an Independent, not a Democrat. The only person he speaks for is himself.

    Not that it gives him a free pass to say stupid shit, but he is definitely held to a lower standard than actual Democratic leaders.

  41. 41.

    Betty Cracker

    November 19, 2024 at 12:00 pm

    Nancy Mace can go eat a bag of Cajun-spiced dicks.

  42. 42.

    lowtechcyclist

    November 19, 2024 at 12:02 pm

    @Steve LaBonne:

    @lowtechcyclist: Booker doesn’t lead anything, any more than St. Bernie does.

    I was answering a question specifically about Jeffries and Bernie.  Booker wasn’t part of the question, so he wasn’t part of the answer.

    ETA: Also, I don’t know what Booker actually said, just what Polis said about it.

  43. 43.

    Maxim

    November 19, 2024 at 12:03 pm

    OT: the undersea cable between Lithuania and Sweden has been damaged.

  44. 44.

    John S.

    November 19, 2024 at 12:03 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Unfortunately, you’re probably right. It would seem Republicans are already determined to make her their next cause célèbre. Fucking assholes.

  45. 45.

    Sure Lurkalot

    November 19, 2024 at 12:04 pm

    Looks like I’ll have to email my governor Polis to see if he’ll clarify which personal opinions of RFKJr are “unscientific” and which “sometimes bizarre”.

    AIDS caused by amyl nitrate? Chemicals in water make your kids trans? WIFI causes cancer (especially 5G). Covid engineered to kill blacks and whites (sparing certain Jewz and Chinese)?  Anti-depressants cause school shootings? Chemtrails=mind control?

    Please enlighten me, gov!

  46. 46.

    John S.

    November 19, 2024 at 12:04 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    No, she only gets unsalted dicks. Flavor enhancement is too good for her.

  47. 47.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 12:05 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: You know perfectly well what I’m saying. St. Bernie gets a free pass nobody else gets, because too much of “progressivism” is merely about tribalism.

  48. 48.

    Geminid

    November 19, 2024 at 12:05 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Nancy Mace would eat two bags of Jalapeño dicks if she thought it would help her win Lindsey Graham’s Senate seat.

  49. 49.

    Old Man Shadow

    November 19, 2024 at 12:05 pm

    This is about what I expected from Democratic national leaders. Most of them are conciliators, not fighters. Most of them don’t have the anger, the fire, the balls/ovaries to be fighters and obstructionists.

    A few do… maybe. But I just don’t see the national Democrats leading a resistance movement.

  50. 50.

    Gvg

    November 19, 2024 at 12:06 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: and the response should be will the rude person from wherever….

  51. 51.

    Kristine

    November 19, 2024 at 12:07 pm

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Re: Ramaswamy’s recommended cuts to Social Security—there had better be a mechanism put in place to return  funds paid in to anyone cut from the program.

    Heh. Who am I kidding? They want to give that money to all the freeloaders aka the rich.

  52. 52.

    Suzanne

    November 19, 2024 at 12:09 pm

    It never ceases to amaze me how fucken passionate people appear to feel about bathrooms and locker rooms. Because, pro tip: we could design them so no one has to see anyone else’s junk, and nobody could be spied on while in the bathroom or changing room!

    (I suspect this isn’t really about bathrooms and locker rooms.)

  53. 53.

    ArchTeryx

    November 19, 2024 at 12:11 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Honestly, if I were her I’d give them all the bird. The minority is all but powerless in the House, but it also means you don’t have to follow their rules, either, or you can practice malicious compliance. If anyone needs to stage a rebellion it’s her.

  54. 54.

    Caveatimperator

    November 19, 2024 at 12:13 pm

    The tolerance of RFK is nothing more than “there is a problem, we must do something, and this is something.”

    A broken clock might be right twice a day, but you can’t tell what those times are without cross-referencing a working clock. Why not just use the working clock and ignore the broken one?

  55. 55.

    John S.

    November 19, 2024 at 12:13 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Ironic that the same folks who didn’t feel unsafe when they removed the metal detectors from Congress are so threatened by bathroom and locker room usage. 🙄

  56. 56.

    Shakti

    November 19, 2024 at 12:14 pm

    @Old School: Diabolical. But it’s also true for people who first got their social security numbers in certain states before they were naturalized.

    I’m not doing a sort of which states have more even prefixes or odd prefixes.

  57. 57.

    Other MJS

    November 19, 2024 at 12:14 pm

    This bill is aimed at the first openly transgender member of Congress, Sarah McBride

    I fully support McBride peeing on Mace’s chair.

  58. 58.

    hrprogressive

    November 19, 2024 at 12:14 pm

    @Old Man Shadow: ​
     

    They’re privileged institutionalists divorced from reality cosplaying in Jimmy Smith’s Washington D.C.

    That’s why they have no fight in them.

  59. 59.

    hrprogressive

    November 19, 2024 at 12:16 pm

    As a resident 2x Bernie Primary Voter, I’ll just come out and say it.

    Bernie shouldn’t be agreeing with Trump on anything.

    The Felon could come out in favor of a $50 min wage and Medicare for All, and I don’t want to see Bernie, or other Democrats or Democratically-Aligned People agreeing with him.

    The republic is in danger and nobody should be agreeing with the madman wanting to pull the plug.

    Full stop.

  60. 60.

    JML

    November 19, 2024 at 12:20 pm

    The drumbeat from Dems related to the DOGE should 100% be: “The GOP is going to end YOUR Social Security.”

    They’ve been fantasizing about it for decades, all they want to do is kill it. Doesn’t matter that it’s been staggeringly good at keeping seniors out of poverty, doesn’t matter that elder care is already stretched dangerously thin…they want Social Security dead and they’ll give scum like E & V a chance to kill it.

  61. 61.

    Melancholy Jaques

    November 19, 2024 at 12:22 pm

    @rk:

    I don’t get this preemptive surrender. One option is to just keep quiet. Why the need to make approving noises?

    I don’t get it either. It is something that Democratic voters hate, but some Democratic electeds do. Whether they want to do it or feel obligated to do it is not clear.

  62. 62.

    tobie

    November 19, 2024 at 12:24 pm

    WTF is healthy about lard over seed oil? Or a paleo diet? Or completely unregulated dietary supplements? The Republican admin will not oppose agribusiness. The only admin that did in recent memory was the Biden admin which fought against megacorps like John Deere to allow farmers the right to repair. Fuck Jared Polis and fuck Cory Booker.

  63. 63.

    Sister Golden Bear

    November 19, 2024 at 12:24 pm

    @Suzanne:

    (I suspect this isn’t really about bathrooms and locker rooms.)

    It’s about bathrooms and locker rooms as much as Jim Crow was about fountains.

    @ArchTeryx:

    Honestly, if I were her I’d give them all the bird.

    I’m sure she will.

  64. 64.

    tobie

    November 19, 2024 at 12:25 pm

    WTF is healthy about lard over seed oil? Or a paleo diet? Or completely unregulated dietary supplements? The Republican admin will not oppose agribusiness. The only admin that did in recent memory was the Biden admin which fought against megacorps like John Deere to allow farmers the right to repair. Damn…read the room, Polis and Booker. Better yet, read the facts.

  65. 65.

    Suzanne

    November 19, 2024 at 12:26 pm

    @John S.: It just blows my mind. Like, locker rooms and public bathrooms are bad spaces. We have made them somewhat better over time (handicap accessibility, code-required quantity, better equipment).

    I realize that this is a perspective that I come to because of my job…. But spaces can be designed to meet needs. AFAIAC, it’s antiquated and kind of “backward” for adults and adolescents to change clothes in front of each other. It’s freaking gross and primitive to hear people taking a dump in an adjacent stall.

    We build to support a social order. When the social order adjusts to better accommodate more people, we can adjust the way we build.

  66. 66.

    Caveatimperator

    November 19, 2024 at 12:27 pm

    @tobie:

    Nothing at all. Seed oils are just commonly used in highly processed foods that are unhealthy for so many other reasons besides their fat content. Sautéing with canola oil or sunflower oil is just fine if you use it in moderation.

    It’s all conspiracy theories from people who want One Weird Trick to become healthy, instead of eating a balanced diet.

  67. 67.

    Geminid

    November 19, 2024 at 12:28 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques: You are taking the narrative that Democratic leaders have preemptively surrendered as a proven fact. Plenty of other people in this internet diner do as well, but this one doesn’t.

  68. 68.

    Melancholy Jaques

    November 19, 2024 at 12:28 pm

    @@mistermix.bsky.social:

    Booker and Coons are probably a little scared by the rightward shift of the supposedly solidly blue Northeast and want to appear “not too liberal”.

    The thing is, by 2026 no one is going to remember that they welcomed their new fascist overlords. The voters that determine election outcomes will likely vote based on the price of coffee or the hysterical crime reporting on the local news.

  69. 69.

    Melancholy Jaques

    November 19, 2024 at 12:35 pm

    @Geminid:

    You are taking the narrative that Democratic leaders have preemptively surrendered as a proven fact.

    No I’m not. I didn’t even mention Democratic leaders.

  70. 70.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 19, 2024 at 12:36 pm

    I could have told you Coons is milquetoast.  He was campaigning locally against the Iran nonproliferation deal.

    McBride, on the other hand, is going to be great.  Representation matters.

  71. 71.

    cain

    November 19, 2024 at 12:37 pm

    @rk: Trump is likely threatening them all with jail or DOJ lawsuits or whatever.

  72. 72.

    Another Scott

    November 19, 2024 at 12:37 pm

    @Maxim: Not minimizing the issues with VVP breaking stuff, but context matters.

    TheVerge.com:

    Fortunately, there is enough redundancy in the world’s cables to make it nearly impossible for a well-connected country to be cut off, but cable breaks do happen. On average, they happen every other day, about 200 times a year. The reason websites continue to load, bank transfers go through, and civilization persists is because of the thousand or so people living aboard 20-some ships stationed around the world, who race to fix each cable as soon as it breaks.

    (Emphasis added.)

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  73. 73.

    Melancholy Jaques

    November 19, 2024 at 12:40 pm

    @Kathleen:

    Bernie jumping in to say he’s willing to work with Trump on credit card charges doesn’t elicit the same level of invective.

    Maybe because limiting credit card interest would be extremely popular?

    If I were in Sanders’s position, I’d have phrased it differently. More like “I’d be shocked if he actually tries to do it. It’s more likely it will just be another one of his broken promises.”

  74. 74.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 19, 2024 at 12:41 pm

    @John S.: Ironic that the same folks who didn’t feel unsafe when they removed the metal detectors from Congress are so threatened by bathroom and locker room usage.

     

    It’s the difference between security and comfort.  WW feel uncomfortable being around their social “inferiors” and confuse it with feeling unsafe.

  75. 75.

    Peale

    November 19, 2024 at 12:45 pm

    @tobie: Yep. A lot of these types are “I will only eat the most natural of foods. Nothing processed. And I’ll add a quarter cup of “vanilla flavored highly processed protein powder” to my smoothie.

  76. 76.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 19, 2024 at 12:45 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Putting down a marker…. Republicans will try to make Rep.-elect Sarah McBride’s life hell. It won’t stop at bathrooms. They’ll use “rules of decorum” to require she be misgendered, i.e. “the gentleman from Delaware” and use the dress code to require her to wear men’s clothing.

     

    Absolutely.  She is the Barack Obama of trans politicians, both in terms of outlook and approach, but also in that she challenges the bogeyman stereotypes.  That threatens the house of bigotry that Republicans have spent years building.

    People wanting her to be a firebrand iconoclast are going to be disappointed.  She will be a boring workhorse.

    Democrats had better support her.  Republicans are going to tie her to the party one way or the other, and Democrats will get routed if they are seen as retreating.

  77. 77.

    Geminid

    November 19, 2024 at 12:48 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques: Well, when you said Democratic electeds I thought that given the context you meant leaders. And Democratic electeds like Polis and Booker are party leaders within their respective states even if they aren’t party leaders in a formal sense like Senator Schumer and Rep. Jeffries.

    And when you replied “I don’t get it either” to someone else’s complaint about Democrats surrendering preemptively, it sounded like you agreed with the basic premise.

  78. 78.

    tobie

    November 19, 2024 at 12:51 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques: Framing’s everything. Bernie could have said, “I was sorry when Trump-appointed judge Mark Pittman overturned the Biden admin’s cap on late charges on credit car payments at $8. $10 is a little high for working people, but it’s a start.”

    First rule for anyone who opposed Trump: Do not for one second in this intervening let the Republicans claim their inheriting a shitty economy. Nothing could be further from the truth. Give. No. Quarter.

  79. 79.

    tobie

    November 19, 2024 at 12:54 pm

    @Caveatimperator: @Peale: I live in rural America. All my neighbors listen to Joe Rogan. They don’t eat healthy diets. Fresh fruits and vegetables in their households are rare. They are simply for the things they are told to be for…and whatever Rogan or Peterson or Fridman or Crowell tells them is gospel.

  80. 80.

    Another Scott

    November 19, 2024 at 1:00 pm

    @Peale: +1

    Some people really, really want to think that they control their own health and that what they eat determines (and only it determines) how their health turns out. And that only folks in their tribe have the truth.

    A colleague has been a vegetarian for 25+ years.  Last year he had a quadruple bypass…  It happens.  (I told him that he doesn’t know – it could have been much worse if he weren’t a vegetarian!)

    Bodies are complicated and there’s still too much that we don’t know about them.  Woo doesn’t change that.  Intuition doesn’t change that.  Thinking that every Big Ag corporation is a cabal to enslave and kill us all doesn’t change that.  They’re different things.

    I blame oh so respectable Orin Hatch and his fellow travelers for a lot of this nonsense.

    Grr…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  81. 81.

    @mistermix.bsky.social

    November 19, 2024 at 1:00 pm

    @tobie:

    Framing’s everything. Bernie could have said, “I was sorry when Trump-appointed judge Mark Pittman overturned the Biden admin’s cap on late charges on credit car payments at $8. $10 is a little high for working people, but it’s a start.”

    Agree with this.

  82. 82.

    Soprano2

    November 19, 2024 at 1:00 pm

    @Suzanne: I’m guessing it’s more expensive to build in the way you’re suggesting. I like the separate rooms for toilets like they have in places like Germany, but not too many places here want to spend the money for that.

  83. 83.

    Soprano2

    November 19, 2024 at 1:02 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques:  Maybe because limiting credit card interest would be extremely popular?

    Sure, right up to the time when they cancelled almost everyone’s credit card because the interest cap isn’t enough for them to take the risk on the unsecured debt. I think there’s a reasonable way to do this, but a hard cap of 10% is never going to fly.

  84. 84.

    TheflipPsyd

    November 19, 2024 at 1:03 pm

    @@mistermix.bsky.social: As someone who lives in Delaware, Coons is not a fighter. His biggest goal since he was a county executive has always been to be the great bipartisan hope.

    He’s never been known to take a stand that might put him at risk. And the biggest reason he was elected was because Christine O’Donnell ran against Mike Castle in the primary. The radicals voted for her.

  85. 85.

    Kathleen

    November 19, 2024 at 1:05 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: Interview with Hakeem Jeffries in which he explains his statement plus position on pushing back.

    youtube.com/watch?v=LQrprJ8PS7k&ab_channel=BrianTylerCohen

  86. 86.

    Kathleen

    November 19, 2024 at 1:07 pm

    @@mistermix.bsky.social: Here’s Hakeem Jeffries explaining in great detail his strategy:

    youtube.com/watch?v=LQrprJ8PS7k&ab_channel=BrianTylerCohen

  87. 87.

    Kathleen

    November 19, 2024 at 1:10 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQrprJ8PS7k&ab_channel=BrianTylerCohen

    I don’t mean to keep spamming with this link I just want to make it easy for commenters who are interested to hear this interview in which I think he explains his strategy very clearly. It’s a lot more complete and thoughtful than he was given credit for.

  88. 88.

    RaflW

    November 19, 2024 at 1:11 pm

    I’ve tried 4 ways to email Jared Polis. Besides the extremely shitty thing he is doing vis. RFKjr, I am just pissed that the CO Gov’s office has no written way to communicate (no web form I can find) and no readily findable email address for him. The various nnnn @state.co.us emails I tried for him or his chief of staff all bounced.

    Some of us really struggle to make calls, and have more to say than just “I oppose this, put it on a tally sheet” and for a (nominal) Democrat to have such a closed, fuck you I don’t wanna hear from you attitude just rankles no end.

  89. 89.

    Jackie

    November 19, 2024 at 1:13 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Nancy Mace can go eat a bag of Cajun-spiced dicks.

    Make that a double order: Margie joins Nancy:

    rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-sarah-mcbride/

  90. 90.

    FelonyGovt

    November 19, 2024 at 1:15 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: I’ve been trying to manage my own mental health since the election, but reading about this bullshit about Rep. McBride this morning made me cry. This petty, nasty, tyrannical prejudiced bullshit leveled at a duly elected colleague is just the first volley in their holy war against anyone who doesn’t conform to their expectations. And yes, they will make her life a living hell. SO angry.

  91. 91.

    Ned F.

    November 19, 2024 at 1:21 pm

    @TheflipPsyd:

    I moved to DE from PA 5 years ago, and really am not up on state politics here yet.  It wasn’t till after the election I found out the representative I voted for was trans. I was pleasently surprised.

    Lower DE is all red land, and I’ve always known of the De rep for corporate tax filings. The senators have to walk the top fence rail. Sometimes the slip onto the wrong side.

  92. 92.

    Another Scott

    November 19, 2024 at 1:22 pm

    @RaflW: I found this – gov_constituentservices at-thingy state.co.us

    via

    dashboard.colorado.gov/connect-with-us

    Maybe that will work?  HTH a little.

    [eta] – If you’ve already tried those, then I guess you’ll have to spam his “social media” links.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  93. 93.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 1:33 pm

    @Kathleen: The only hope of blocking any Trump legislation is to peel off a few vulnerable Republicans from their paper-thin House majority. Some bipartisan mouth noises are an unavoidable part of that effort. Personally I prefer trying to defeat some of their crap over stirring rhetoric that gives us the feels we crave but in practical terms actually lets Republicans roll over us without a fight.

  94. 94.

    Bill Arnold

    November 19, 2024 at 1:34 pm

    @Steve LaBonne:

    “Ramaswamy today posted on social media, ‘A reasonable formula to fix the U.S. government: Milei-style cuts, on steroids.’

    Mr. Ramaswamy’s character would be dramatically improved if he spent a couple of years destitute and homeless, or at least couch-surfing.
    Same with Mr. Musk.

  95. 95.

    TheflipPsyd

    November 19, 2024 at 1:37 pm

    @Ned F.: Moved here in 2005, also from Pa. Sussex county is slowly turning a bit purple due to the influx of people moving there and where they are from.

    I understand the DE senators often walk the line. Coons was my county executive. Do I vote for him — yes. Would I vote for him if there were a better option? No. Coons is about being loved by the pundits and being seen on all the pundits shows. It’s Delaware, so I’ve actually met him. Not impressed. If you haven’t already found it, I recommend Delaware Liberal to help with learning about state politics.

    Edited for clarity

  96. 96.

    Chris Johnson

    November 19, 2024 at 1:42 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: Yeah, that’s pretty much how I see it.

  97. 97.

    Chris Johnson

    November 19, 2024 at 1:51 pm

    Did you notice MTG publically threatening her fellow Republicans with blackmail on behalf of Russia should they fail to obey Trump in all his appointments? Welp that happened.

    They used to be able to make do with PRIVATE threats, just sayin’. Very interesting that MTG suddenly has to extort all her fellow Rs with open threatening tweets for fear they defect. Very interesting.

  98. 98.

    Steve LaBonne

    November 19, 2024 at 1:55 pm

    @Chris Johnson: Republican infighting is pretty much our best hope, along with un-ignorable Republican failure, of surviving this time with less than the maximum possible amount of damage.

  99. 99.

    Bill Arnold

    November 19, 2024 at 2:04 pm

    @Kathleen:
    That is a 26 minute interview. I lasted about 5 minutes at 1.5X video speed.

  100. 100.

    artem1s

    November 19, 2024 at 2:06 pm

    Videos of the events are quickly shared online. “This is what they want,” he said. “One of their ultimate goals is to get this attention. If there was no social media, we would not probably see as many of these rallies.”…

    BULLSHIT – Do NOT comply ahead of time. The videos I saw of white supremacist getting arrested out the back of moving van last weekend and going back to Charlottesville, made me believe there were people who didn’t want these asshole around their neighborhoods. These videos empower witnesses in these neighborhoods to show the world what these assholes are doing. They are trying to recruit your kids into their terrorist organization. They will not stop just because no one posts about them on social media.
    FYI, the murderer of Heather Heyer who drove all the way from Ohio to join in the Charlottesville terrorist attack, was recruited by just such a group in central Ohio. Probably the ‘rival’ to the St. Louis terrorist who showed up in Columbus last weekend. It’s always good to shine a light on these creeps and help de-mask them so they don’t get to hide behind their cosplay costumes.​​

  101. 101.

    sentient ai from the future

    November 19, 2024 at 2:08 pm

    HIs ideas of “healthy diet” also conflict with or are in direct opposition to scientific consensus. The report I saw said he was suggesting frying mcdonlds fries in beef tallow is healthier than frying them in vegetable oils (“seed oils” in his lingo, which is wellness-influencer-speak)

  102. 102.

    Jackie

    November 19, 2024 at 2:11 pm

    @Chris Johnson: She needs the attention; Mace is getting too much media attention for MTG’s liking. MTG is also squawking about “not letting a transgender in women’s bathrooms” in the Capitol.😡

  103. 103.

    artem1s

    November 19, 2024 at 2:12 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: ​ 
    Ramaswamy said as an example: ‘If your Social Security number ends in an odd number, you’re out. If it ends in an even number, you’re in. There’s a 50 percent cut right there. Of those who remain, if your Social Security number starts in an even number, you’re in, and if it starts with an odd number, you’re out. Boom. That’s a 75 percent reduction done.’ “

    EVEN NUMBER BIAS!!!!!!!!!911!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Anyone know the CEO or board members of AARP? I think they might be interested in getting this quote out there.

  104. 104.

    Jackie

    November 19, 2024 at 2:16 pm

    @artem1s: Why is TCFG quiet about these incidents? Where’s his threat that he’ll order the military to disrupt these organized threatening demonstrations? (When he’s in office)

  105. 105.

    Quinerly

    November 19, 2024 at 2:17 pm

    @Jackie:

    Hmmmmm……

    thedailybeast.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-gop-covered-up-sexual-harassment-and-assault-claims/

  106. 106.

    Kathleen

    November 19, 2024 at 2:18 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: Precisely. Also, there has been successful bipartisan collaboration on getting bills passed even in this environment. My rep has made it clear he’ll work with anybody . Sherrod Brown was the same way. But legislation is viewed by certain parties these days as so “old people centrist Dem who hate the youth and need to just die already”.

  107. 107.

    KatKapCC

    November 19, 2024 at 2:29 pm

    @Suzanne: The bathroom thing has always been so blatantly BS. For one, it’s almost entirely about trans women using women’s bathrooms — you never hear these jerks mention trans men in the men’s room, and we know why that is. But also…women’s bathrooms have stalls! You don’t see anyone’s business while they’re going. Sure, there are those annoying gaps around the doors, but common etiquette says you don’t stare at the doors as you walk past closed ones. I realize some folks want to believe the 80s movie fantasy that women go into public bathrooms and strip down to our underwear and dance around, but sadly, that has never happened in my vicinity. The only time I ever saw someone even partially unclothed in a public bathroom was in a restaurant when a lady had spilled something on her blouse and was rinsing it in the bathroom sink.

    Nancy Mace has probably been in public bathrooms with trans women numerous times and never knew it, though I’m sure she’d insist otherwise because she’s probably in the “we can always tell” crowd.

  108. 108.

    Gretchen

    November 19, 2024 at 2:31 pm

    @Chris Johnson: No, I didn’t see that. How did MTG threaten her colleagues with Russian blackmail?

  109. 109.

    Gretchen

    November 19, 2024 at 2:34 pm

    @KatKapCC: I think Mace specifically said she wasn’t worried about trans men using men’s bathrooms, just women.  And reps all have their own bathrooms in their own office, so it’s a completely made-up issue to get Mace the attention she craves.

    One small silver lining: Mace obviously cares about getting attention for her good looks, and that hate is obviously aging her. She looks about 15 years older than she did when she was elected 3 years ago. That fresh-faced pretty girl isn’t quite there any more.

  110. 110.

    Peale

    November 19, 2024 at 2:40 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: So a 75% chance that the team that services the US Debt payments is inoperable vs a 100% chance that the CBP is reduced to the point where maybe if they can deport 100 undocumented immigrants a month they’d be lucky.

  111. 111.

    Jackie

    November 19, 2024 at 2:43 pm

    MTG threatens Sarah McBride with physical violence if she catches her in the women’s bathroom. MTG needs to decide who’s the threat to whom.🤷🏼‍♀️

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) said she would fight a transgender woman — such as Rep.-elect Sarah McBride (D-DE) — if she comes across her in the bathroom, Politico reports.

    Said Greene: “It’s pretty aggressive for biological men to be invading our spaces.”

    According to Punchbowl News, Greene also called McBride “mentally ill” and refused to identify McBride by her preferred pronoun.

    Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) told lawmakers that transgender women won’t be allowed to use the women’s bathrooms in the Capitol, but added later: “We’ll provide appropriate accommodation for every member of Congress.”

    Johnson’s scared to death of both Mace and Greene.

  112. 112.

    KatKapCC

    November 19, 2024 at 2:45 pm

    @Jackie: I’d like to see some Dems say they’ll step in and sock Greene in her ugly face if she so much as breathes too hard in McBride’s presence.

  113. 113.

    Geminid

    November 19, 2024 at 2:55 pm

    @KatKapCC: Maybe Sharice Davids will accidently break Marge Greene’s arm.

  114. 114.

    Soprano2

    November 19, 2024 at 2:55 pm

    @Kathleen: That was good, thanks for the link. As much as we’d like it, they can’t be seen to be 100% obstructionist after an election they lost.

  115. 115.

    Jackie

    November 19, 2024 at 2:57 pm

    @KatKapCC: Jasmine Crockett immediately comes to mind! Also AOC!

  116. 116.

    Uncle Cosmo

    November 19, 2024 at 3:06 pm

    Allow me to note that as a teenager I personally witnessed an instance where a “biological female” used the male restroom in the House of Representatives: My mother!

    We’d driven some visiting out of town family members from Baltimore down to the US Capitol. It was a slow day, legislatively speaking, and the jernt was near deserted. As we were about to leave, Nature called for Mom, and one of my visiting cousins and I fanned out in unsuccessful search of a ladies’ room. But we did find a large one for the guys, deserted. So we led her there, rechecked for clientele, then stood at the entrance while she completed the necessary and sufficient. Take that, Congresscritter Macehole! :^p

  117. 117.

    different-church-lady

    November 19, 2024 at 3:08 pm

    Ah yes, the “Some Democrats” strike again.

  118. 118.

    Suzanne

    November 19, 2024 at 3:26 pm

    @Soprano2:

    I’m guessing it’s more expensive to build in the way you’re suggesting. 

    Yes, it is.
    But, like, who cares? We have all kinds of building code requirements that are expensive. Developers hate it, but adapt.

  119. 119.

    catclub

    November 19, 2024 at 3:32 pm

    You Know Who Else was a Proponent of a Healthy Diet? (Hint: He Was a Vegetarian)

    The Graham Cracker guy? Kellogg?
    Help me out here.

  120. 120.

    Urza

    November 19, 2024 at 3:42 pm

    I’m late to this party but his wife (soon to be ex?) makes her money off those unhealthy foods shoveled to us by large corporations and I just don’t see him being willing to hit hard enough on that front to jeopardize his prenup agreement or whatever the divorce settlement is.  Also his boss is one of the unhealthiest eaters on the planet and would balk at McDs getting fixed.

  121. 121.

    Urza

    November 19, 2024 at 3:44 pm

    @catclub: They’re referring to a certain German who is recently coming out of a decades long slump in popularity.

  122. 122.

    Urza

    November 19, 2024 at 3:45 pm

    @Soprano2: Democrats can’t be obstructionist, never stopped Republicans when they lose.

  123. 123.

    ron

    November 19, 2024 at 3:55 pm

    How is it everyone on this blog is smarter than our supposed leaders on how to oppose the fascists? Is it really that hard to do?

    Also, Hitler wasn’t a vegetarian by the strict definition – slate.com/human-interest/2004/02/was-hitler-a-vegetarian.html

    He ate meat just like all the other world’s worst people.

  124. 124.

    Urza

    November 19, 2024 at 4:08 pm

    @ron: This blog helps make people smarter.  Quite the surprise from its humble origins.  But seriously most people are just immersed in the bullshit.  Humans have brain circuitry to emulate those around them and types of pain when they don’t fit in.  Learning from us is the worst thing we could have imposed on a new AI species.

  125. 125.

    The Audacity of Krope

    November 19, 2024 at 4:33 pm

    @tobie: WTF is healthy about lard over seed oil? Or a paleo diet?

    “I lost weight doing Paleo” has more cultural cachet in the US than “this is our best judgment based on experimentation and observation.”

  126. 126.

    Sally

    November 19, 2024 at 4:50 pm

    @Soprano2: No, only republicans are permitted to be 100% obstructionist throughout any Democratic win and government. No matter how small their margin and how big ours. “Make Obama a one term President”.

    Republicans are never asked or expected to “work across the aisle, never asked about showing good faith by appointing at least one Dem to their cabinet, as Democrats always are. Democrats are always expected to be bipartisan, while republicans are expected to be intransigent.

    Democrats (mistakenly) leave in place republican office holders, while republicans replace the competent staff with corrupt sycophants.

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