Spent some time trying to figure out a basic timeline as to when Medicaid would be impacted by Trump’s Big Murderous Bill
Thought I had it figured out (will post below).
Based on hearing personal experiences, getting information from my family’s physicians and care providers in the medical field— ??MsGrumpyBunny?? (@msgrumpybunny.bsky.social) August 4, 2025 at 2:56 PM
I assume there are other people on social media tracking various threads of the Republican National Tsunami. Anybody got any links or suggestions I can share?
in the past week
and seeing individuals sharing their stories on SM — specifically cuts to care homes for Seniors — some of these changes to healthcare are happening now??
If you have a loved one in a care facility — prepare for changes and stay informed.— ??MsGrumpyBunny?? (@msgrumpybunny.bsky.social) August 4, 2025 at 2:56 PM
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
Yes, we’ll start seeing changes much sooner than the deadline. These small rural hospitals aren’t independent entities. They are usually part of a larger hospital system that is already taking a loss on their continued existence. People worry about Catholic hospitals and reproductive care, but it is often the Catholic hospitals that are more willing to use their profitable urban hospitals to fund care more broadly elsewhere. They will take stock and start shutting down early, so the whole system doesn’t collapse. They also don’t want to fire talented people, so moving slowly gives them breathing room to gradually reallocate the workforce.
These Trumpers really screwed themselves over. I doubt they understand that. I’d pity them if they weren’t hurting others with their stupidity.
Steve LaBonne
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: I’m quite sure they don’t understand it.- they’re remarkably stupid people. They will just keep lying that they “protected Medicaid” like that jerk with the disastrous town hall in Nebraska, but people will believe their own lying eyes. You can’t spin Granny getting thrown out on the street or the nearest hospital being 2 hours away.
Baud
sab
They have already been shutting down nursing homes that were in trouble from Covid. And the red states like mine (Ohio) have also been cutting taxes and spending.
Doc Sardonic
Shit gonna get real in a hurry for a lot of folks. The lifestyle adjustments and living arrangement fixes are something a lot of the common clay of the New America just are not and will not be ready for. Thanks be to Providence, that my mother and mother in law are already gone. Put both of them in the same house, we would be on the evening news inside a week, unless I could somehow build Versailles or a similar size dwelling in 6 months
David Collier-Brown
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: We do need to shout that from the rooftops: the tiktok video is cool
tobie
Deleted….thought this was another thread. Sorry.
David Collier-Brown
In addition,folks
Baud
Et tu, socialism?
Professor Bigfoot
Every time I think about it I have a moment of panic; then I remember that my dear mother-in-law, who spent the last few years of her life in a nursing home, passed two and a half years ago.
Yeah, “shit gon’ get real.”
Dangerman
Those work requirements don’t kick in until after the election. Some Folks are in for a rude surprise.
Steve LaBonne
@Dangerman: But the struggling rural hospitals and nursing homes will be long gone before that. Hospital systems budget for at least that far ahead and they know what’s coming.
Scout211
@Baud: I had an email communication with ActBlue customer service about that. Here’s what I got from “Fred.”
It does sound like (if Fred is to be believed) that the campaigns and the PACs are the ones sharing our information, not ActBlue.
The California Democratic Party has my cell phone number and ActBlue does not but I get spammy texts that appear to be from candidates. As far as I can tell, the spammy texts likely originated from the Cal Dems to campaigns and then are given or sold to other candidates and campaigns from there. And so on and so on.
Johnny Gentle (famous crooner)
Of course there will be no consequences for trump or the republicans because the average person has no idea how government or Medicaid work or what the horrible bill actually does. Instead, republicans will, as always, be able to deflect blame. And who’s easier to blame than the healthcare industry? Every republican will be up on their soapbox blaming “big healthcare” from taking hospitals away from good, hardworking rural people, all while hiding the blood on their own hands.
If you want to see this kind of republican delusion in action, just look at Kat Cammack, a typically garbage republican congressperson from Florida. She almost died from a miscarriage when the hospital she went to was afraid to treat her because of Florida’s draconian anti-abortion law. And rather than engaging in any introspection after facing the real-world consequences of her own politics, she ran to the media and blamed the hospital for overreacting to the law.
That’ll be the republican motto in the coming years: “We didn’t do nuthin’! It’s all the hospitals’ fault!!”
Trollhattan
Killing most aspects of our healthcare system seems like Trump giving the people what they want. What do sane people elsewhere think?
“Those six million should by all rights, be dead today. DEAD! I hope each feels adequate guilt for participating in this healthcare holocaust. ” declared HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy Junior.
gene108
@Steve LaBonne:
You underestimate the ability of right-wing media to redefine realty, and the ability of Republican voters to deny reality.
I doubt most rural white voters will make the connection between Medicaid cuts in the OBBBA and these closures. To do so would mean their personal Lord and Savior Donald Trump did something bad. Their
GodDonald Trump would never do something bad.David Collier-Brown
@Scout211:
@Up in Socialist_Canada, the parties each run a multi-province, multi-candidate database. Each is used by all the candidates to track all their work. The federal Liberal one is called “MiniVAN”, and is a distant descendant of Mr Obama’s database from the US. Campaigns are allowed to query any part of it, not just their riding.
Baud
Apropos of the discussion in the early morning thread, some people in my Blue sky feed are rehashing Bernie vs. Warren in the 2020 primary. Don’t ask me why.
Steve LaBonne
@gene108: Some of them are already NOT feeling that way about the Epstein files. We have to stop acting like he’s 9 feet tall and completely invulnerable- that’s self-defeating.
frosty
@Scout211: Once you sign up to Minivan for canvassing you’ll be bombarded by candidates from all over the country.
That being said I haven’t gotten many in the last few weeks. I wonder why.
gene108
@Steve LaBonne:
Trump’s not invulnerable, but I doubt it’ll be rural white people that turn on him.
The influencers freaking out about the Epstein filed are not living in rural America.
sab
@Trollhattan: The idea of RFKjr having the competence to “review” the science behind vaccines is beyond laughable.
Melancholy Jaques
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
@Steve LaBonne:
Variation of Upton Sinclair’s observation:
It is difficult to get a person to understand something when their rigid worldview depends on them not understanding it.
gene108
@Johnny Gentle (famous crooner):
I read an article about a rural town losing its health clinic, and blamed the hospital and not the OBBBA. When the reporter explained the clinic is winding down due to Medicaid cuts in the OBBBA, the residents did not believe him.
Yahoo News
lowtechcyclist
@Trollhattan:
The answer is ‘neither.’ He doesn’t have a point, and it’s not a miscalculation. He’s just an antivaxxer, that’s all. (And not a vaccine ‘skeptic.’ There’s nothing ‘skeptical’ about his approach, he’s just a true believer in an anti-vax world view. Dammit, I want ‘skeptic’ and ‘skepticism’ to continue to mean something freakin’ real.)
ETA: My ire here isn’t directed at you but rather at the author of this piece, whoever they may be.
Melancholy Jaques
@Baud:
We should make a top ten Democratic intramural arguments, give them a one word name and a number, then instead of arguing, people could just say PUMA 2008 or RIGGED 2016 and not waste time & words.
Ksmiami
@gene108: if these people die though, well then it won’t matter what they thought or who they blame…
sab
There is a whole little legal industry built around spending down assets to qualify for medicaid nursing home care. The upper middle class hide assets in trusts. Everybody else just spends down. And once it is spent it is gone. Now that the rules have changed what can they do?
However RWNJ they are of course they will notice when Mom or Dad get dumped on the street and they will know who did it.
I think a lot of Republicans in Congress are sociopathic enough to leave their own parents on the street, but I am not so sure about their voters.
Martin
So it’s looking like Texas is probably going to get Florida’s shuttle. NASA has identified the shuttle to be transferred to Texas but won’t say which one. The problem is that the only one NASA (or the federal government) still owns is the one in Florida. CAs is owned by the California Science Center which is a public/private partnership so it’s co-owned by the state of California, and the Smithsonian one is also in a nonprofit. So really only Florida’s can be transferred according to the law that passed, and it seems pretty apparent that NASA doesn’t want to say out loud which red state is going to lose their tourist attraction because another red state demanded it in a bill that was voted on by the legislators of the state losing it. The law says it needs to be transferred with the consent of the party managing the shuttle, and unless something has changed Smithsonian has said ‘no’, and the one in Florida is managed by NASA and therefore the NASA head, the person responsible for identifying the shuttle to be transferred, can himself consent to its move.
sab
@lowtechcyclist: He is not a true believer. His kids are vaxed. He is a predator making money by commissions from vax suing law firms.
WaterGirl
@Martin: WTF? Did they not understand what they were voting for?
Martin
@WaterGirl: Of course not. The bill doesn’t say the shuttle from the Smithsonian, it says one that flew in space and carried humans, etc. etc. The authors were trying to block Enterprise from being transferred and likely thought that the Smithsonian one would be the one chosen without naming it. My guess is the authors were unaware of the legal state of each shuttle and figured the admin wouldn’t pick the one from Florida. The Florida folks weren’t in a position to not vote for the bill due to how critical it was to pass and also probably thought the administration wouldn’t touch theirs. This is the hubris of putting loyalty ahead of the law.
It’s possible they want to transfer the CA one and want to lay the legal groundwork to seize it before saying so, but I suspect not because that would be a spectacular PR disaster, and would likely require something close to marshal law to actually remove given how slow and carefully it needs to be done, and how aggressively people will protest that and seek to sabotage the effort.
Still leaves NASA with the problem of not having a way to transport it, but at least in theory you could barge the FL one to Texas. You have to fly the CA one, and there’s no plane left to do that.
Doc Sardonic
The one in Florida is located at the Kennedy Space Center Visitors Complex, gonna be a painful thing to get it out of the exhibit hall they built around it. Another problem is the expense of all that and NASA probably doesn’t have the budget to do it.
Martin
@gene108: Don’t try to convince them of the cause. It doesn’t matter. Let the clinic go away, and let the public figure out for themselves how it happened. These people will only blame Trump if they come to that conclusion on their own.
Trollhattan
Day ending in Y.
Someday governor, God’s responding and it’s not the answer you expect.
Ohio Mom
@sab: Yup, after grandma spends down all her money, there’s nothing left to use to pay health care aides to lighten the load once she’s moved onto your couch.
And if by chance, there is some money to hire health care aides, watch out. The aides will be so worried about clocking in enough hours to stay on the Medicaid rolls themselves, they will come in sick and be sharing every cold and virus with frail grandma.
That is also going to be an issue with medically fragile disabled children and adults, who depend on home health care aides.
Bill Arnold
@sab:
I read the statement as
“my staff of hand-picked antivax professionals[1] reviewed the research that we consider to be unbiased and properly scientific[2]”.
[1] quacks and cranks and contrarians, some motivated by potential financial gain.
[2] large double blind studies! If “ethics” forbid them, so sad…
Martin
@Doc Sardonic: If I’m not mistaken there’s a wall/door that can be removed to move exhibits and/out of the building, so presumably they can just take it out the way it went in. Smithsonian is similarly easy as it’s in a hangar with other exhibits. CA’s is stacked on a fuel tank and boosters with a building constructed around it. You have to destroy the building to remove that one.
It kind of doesn’t matter how difficult or expensive it is, there’s a law saying they have to do it, along with a pittance of funding but essentially leaving it as an unfunded mandate. Don’t know if it specifies a timeframe, so maybe they pull it from the building with the $85, throw a tarp over it and tell Texas that their property is in the parking lot, come by and pick it up when it’s convenient.
prostratedragon
Masterstroke!
Matt McIrvin
@Martin: The Smithsonian one (Discovery) is sitting on its landing gear as if it had just landed– you could tow it around. The Florida one (Atlantis) is in an elaborate static display showing it as if it were in orbit, off the ground at a tilt with its payload bay open, so that’s more difficult. But the bigger problem is getting it to Houston, since I think the carrier aircraft have been decommissioned.
Bill Arnold
@Doc Sardonic:
Yeah. I was just there; they would need to very carefully disassemble much of a multi-story building to get it out of there.
The rigging would also be a challenge.
Gin & Tonic
@Professor Bigfoot: Yeah, I’m not actively wishing for anyone’s untimely demise, but my mother-in-law is 101 and, thanks to Medicaid, in a nice nursing home. A couple of years ago we had her in our house – that lasted less than six months. It is not repeatable. I have no idea what’s going to happen, but looking at the actuarial tables, things aren’t going to go on much longer.
gene108
@Martin:
I doubt they will figure it out. Convincing them is impossible, they’ll reject whatever an outsider tells them.
JML
lol. The VAN (aka, Voter Activation Network, as I recall) started before Obama and was a tool of state parties before OFA started rolling. It’s evolved a lot over the years. I probably couldn’t find anything in there any longer…
(Wonder if the old “I Wish the VAN Would Go Drive Itself” group is still floating around…)
Fair Economist
@Baud:
Ulf Kristersson is from a conservative party, as you’d expect from a lame-brained belief that LLMs can make decisions (never mind good ones).
His conservative party calls itself the “Moderate Party” in a feat of Orwellian branding most modern liberals can recognize.
WaterGirl
@prostratedragon: Whoa, my eyes got big on that one!
laura
Mom and dad, gramma and grandpa aren’t going to get dumped on the street, they’re most likely gonna get dumped on your doorstep. Filial obligation laws exist in 29 states and Puerto Rico. Failure to provide care can result in civil or criminal penalties. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws
As someone who shared a bedroom and bed with gramma until I was old enough to get my driver’s license, let’s just say; as much as I loved and was loved by my gramma Mary; she cramped my young style. Today’s modern family- they are in for a find out.
CaseyL
The GOP base will believe what they are told to believe, and they will not budge from it.
First off, they’re not very bright. And by “not very bright,” I mean “dumber than domesticated turkeys.”
Secondly, those deep red areas have been shedding reality-based individuals for 20+ years. Anyone with enough brains to come in out of the rain left as soon as they could for less intellectually-inbred cities, towns, states. The ones who stayed are about as likely to stray outside their community belief system as I am to grow gills and live underwater.
Thirdly, they are the very models of obedient drones – also a product of winnowing out anyone with more than 10 functioning brain cells, and replacing individualism with “Kinder, Küche, Kirche.” No one is mentally or emotionally equipped to challenge the prevailing groupthink in their area. And, even if they were, the prospect of losing all their friends, relatives, jobs, and community places, for committing such vile heresy will dissuade them.
So, no, they will not make the connection between their politicians, their Party’s policies, and the loss of the few healthcare resources they have. (Or, frankly, any of the losses that are going to pile up in the next couple years.)
If all else fails, all their community leaders have to do is tell them that God is testing their faith. Those places where kids have been dying of measles and whooping cough? The parents are already saying it was God’s Will and nothing could be done.
sab
@Gin & Tonic: If my experience with my 99 yo dad, the shock of being moved at that age will kill her.
Dad got kicked out of his nursing home (not on medicaid) because they wanted his room and his floor for their new idea of elder daycare. Ugly decisions are being made as the state cuts back and Covid money disappears.
The new nursing home was lovely and better than where he had been, but he was dead within two weeks just from the shock of adjustment.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: oh, like how Warren “stabbed Bernie in the back” by criticizing Bloomberg, thereby foiling the fragile mechanism by which his supporters imagined Sanders was going to be nominated by minority vote? It really underscored to me how up their own asses they were.
sab
@laura: What if the kids are out of state? Ohio has filial obligation laws but I was the only Ohioan.
Martin
@Matt McIrvin: Not just decommissioned, but disassembled and re-assembled for display. This was Texas’s consolation prize for not getting a shuttle, so the fact one isn’t available is sort of on them.
But we barge these things around from Michaud to the Cape all the time, so presumably they could barge it to Houston easy enough – it’s not that much farther. And if LA could get one from the airport to exposition park, Houston should be able to get it from the terminal to the center – it’s not very far.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
I didn’t pay enough attention to the posts today to determine what the debate was focused on. I figured scrolling on was the best course of action.
Martin
@gene108: That’s my point – they won’t trust an outsider, so let them sit with their thoughts and work it out. If they want to blame it on the private healthcare industry, is that such a bad thing?
sab
@Baud: It was a pastry feast for me.
ETA Our pie filter is mislabelled. Cupcakes and seacritter chow with no pies.
cain
@gene108:
The people being affected are speaking out. The problem is that their friend and family network will attack them.
Baud
@sab:
I was referring to my Blue sky feed where the Warren vs Bernie debate is playing out.
That issue didn’t come up in the morning thread specifically. The morning thread was focused more on grievance generally and how we treat and communicate with each other.
ETA: also, the corrupting influence of social media.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@WaterGirl: i don’t think you guys really understand how much nyc LOATHES mayor cop and cuomo. mayor cop has been awful, is a criminal and is being extorted by the DOJ. cuomo CONSTANTLY fucked with ny while he was feuding with deblasio (and he’s rapey AND kept the IDC in power).
really, it’s not so much that mamdani is a wunderkind, it’s that a lot of us just DESPISE mayor cop and cuomo.
learning that cuomo is “consulting” with pervert hoover is just gonna tank his numbers further.
cain
@CaseyL:
At this point they’ll be all dead. Which will make gerrymandering even more fun.
laura
@sab: that I do not know- I would speculate that each state that has such a law would address it. However, if you need a coconspirator to schlep your Marin Co bro back to Ohio, well….wink wink and nod.
Martin
@prostratedragon: As if Cuomo threatening to move to Florida if Mamdani wins wasn’t enough incentive for people to vote for Mamdani…
I swear to god the Democratic Party is now accidentally in allegiance with Trump and they don’t understand why their approval is so low.
WaterGirl
@sab: Hey, there are some pies! But yes, I went with the more general desserts than just pie.
sab
@laura: Please NO
ETA Also too anyone who thinks Marin is blue hasn’t paid attention to local politics.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@Martin: yeah, that would really suck, except cuomo’s not RUNNING as a democrat. he’s running on an independent ticket, basically, the fuck you, that’s why party.
i REALLY don’t think you have the first clue as to how much CONTEMPT we have for cuomo. he fucked with the city for YEARS.
sab
@WaterGirl: Delicious. I love them all.
Baud
@strange visitor (from another planet):
It worked for Joe Lieberman after the CT Dems voted him out.
I don’t think it’ll work for Cuomo however.
WaterGirl
@Martin:
I don’t understand the point you are making there. How is the democratic party in allegiance with Trump?
edit: Oh, I guess you are talking about Cuomo in cahoots with Trump? Cuomo is no Democrat.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@Baud: i agree. i think cuomo’s cooked.
WaterGirl
@strange visitor (from another planet):
As far as I can tell, because of his shenanigans with the Demis in the legislature, Cuomo was never really a Democrat. He aided the Rs his entire time in office – at least he did as far as I can tell from this distance.
Keep digging, Andrew.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Lots of Democrats are bad Democrats.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@WaterGirl: yup. and he screwed us with the redistricting on his way out the door. but he nourished the IDC and by design, they voted with the republicans, keeping progressive change in NY creeping like glaciers.
WaterGirl
@strange visitor (from another planet): A traitor to his own party. And he apparently thinks he gets to skate on his treatment of women. I loathe him.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Baud: There are bad Democrats and good ones too. However, for some reason, every bad Democrat is perceived by some people as being THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. It’s exhausting.
Chief Oshkosh
@cain: Again, is that a problem? It sure as shit isn’t a problem for me. If some MAGA muppet is getting shit on by his MAGA “friends” because he is complaining about the real pain of the direct outcome of the the Big Buttugly Bill, well, that’s what shitbirds do. They shit all over everyone.
Matt McIrvin
@Martin: Mamdani is the Democrat here. At least give the party that much credit.
laura
@sab: as you wish. Marin is bougie af. Beautiful and bougie. It’s come a long way from back in the day when you could give a baby a beer: youtu.be/w-YaWE0zu-c?
Baud
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
It’s similar to what the Republicans do too, when they usually present an outlier position as the official party dogma.
sab
@laura: My dad forced his mother in law into a nursing home a few years after we made her sell her house and move in with us because Mom’s blood pressure went through the roof.
Grandma couldn’t stay home alone. She lied to us on the phone after she had a bad fall. “I’m fine.” A neighbor called us. I hadn’t stopped by because I had a horrible cold and parents were on their first vacation in years.
Eldercare is full of surprises.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@WaterGirl: thirteen women. iirc, one a state trooper!
in his protective detail! and she hadda GUN!
fuck that guy.
Chief Oshkosh
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: (and others)
Possibly Martin’s point is that the establishment Democrats refuse to endorse Mandami, and several seem, or seemed at some point, to be fine with Cuomo continuing his campaign as a spoiler.
But, I don’t mean to speak for Martin, and I sure as heck don’t have any experience with NYS or NYC politics.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@Chief Oshkosh: cuomo is just like groper cleveland. just as vain, just as vindictive, just as much of a narcissist.
you better believe he keeps enemy lists.
the scuttlebutt is that a lot of people are being cagey about endorsements because they don’t wanna be on one.
sab
@sab: Maybe the plan is to kill off two generations, the very elderly on medicaid and their slightly elderly children.
Think of the savings on medicare, medicaid and social security!
prostratedragon
@laura: Your gramma would probably say, “… and you think I don’t have a style?”
Baud
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Chief Oshkosh:
Its the over the top dramatic language that just kills me. Not endorsing someone is absolutely not in the same league as being in cahoots with Trump. That is absolutely ridiculous. Cuomo has 100% been opposed to Mamdani being in office. I think he thought he was entitled to return to office. The so-called NY Democratic Establishment? They haven’t endorsed anyone. They’ve basically been like, ‘No comment. Whatever. Meh. I don’t have a position.’
What’s been the response from the left? ‘OMG!!! THEY HATE MAMDANI! THEY ARE AFTER HIM! THEY WANT REPUBLICANS TO WIN!!!!1!!!’ This is what I mean by exhausting.
Martin
@strange visitor (from another planet): Oh, I grew up in NYC. I fully appreciate the degree of animosity NYC residents can have for a Democratic governor, let alone one who is a creep.
The underlying problem is that the politics of NYC are antithetical to the politics of everything that isn’t NYC, and governors always side with the rest of the state, but have significant control over the city – the MTA, port authority, etc. NYC governance has shocking little control over the critical infrastructure of the city and is forced to beg the governor for everything in an environment where the governor scores political points in the state by telling the city to fix their own problems – which they aren’t empowered to do. The disconnect between authority and responsibility is why things are so untenable. And that’s before you get Trump and every asshole billionaire treating the place as their own private economic Petri dish.
I was shocked that Cuomo got as many votes as he did given that Lander was right there on the ballot.
Miss Bianca
@Melancholy Jaques: that sounds like the old joke about the numbered jokes…
Martin
@WaterGirl: Also the refusal for most democrats to endorse their own candidate. It is quite obvious that most of the party would prefer Cuomo win over Mamdani which puts them in allegiance with Trump.
Baud
@Martin:
Not endorsing ≠ a preference.
laura
@prostratedragon: FYI, gramma Mary definitely had a style, and it was go off your meds, run naked through town, end up in the nude in the fountain at julliard park and end up in a straightjacket in the county lock up until she’d in patient at Napa State Hospital. That’s how she ended up in my room because my dad and my aunt had no alternative and they loved her too.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Baud: Exactly.
Geminid
@Martin: That’s not so obvious to me, that most of the party– and I assume you mean electeds– would rather have Cuomo. Mamdani just isn’t as big a threat to the party as his most vehement opponents and adherents make him out to be. There are reasons not endorse to Mamdani, but these non-endorsements are being spun up into something they’re not.
Parfigliano
@Gin & Tonic: I’m hoping for many people’s untimely demise ASAP.
Martin
@WaterGirl: No, I think Cuomo was a Democrat, but one with presidential ambitions and as such he made decisions to appeal to rural and suburban sensibilities over the needs of the city – which the governor of NY has fairly extraordinary control. So he was also power hungry because that helps with that presidential trip.
I mean, the party right now is talking itself into moving to the right to win, which is exactly what Cuomo was doing as governor.
Geminid
@Matt McIrvin: I think the problem die-hard Bernie Bros had with Warren stem from an interview where she she said Sanders gried to dissuade he from running because a woman could not win. Sanders was asked about it at a debate and he blustered about how he would never have said something like that.
When the debate ended Warren confronted Sanders and a microphone caught her saying, “Did you just call me a liar?” upon which Sanders proceeded to jab his finger into her personal space while pushing back verbally. The whole affair was a discreditable performance on his part.
Anyway, that’s when all the snake emojis started flying.
sab
@laura: We had a great aunt like that. I think they just shipped her back to Seattle for other relatives.
prostratedragon
@laura: No, Granny, no!
(Though that makes unclear to me how she could have cramped your style.😉 Youthful homebody, eh?)
Martin
@Matt McIrvin: Why? They didn’t have anything to do with Mamdani winning the primary. All I’m saying is that when Democratic voters say ‘hey, this is our guy’ to stop and examine why voters said that rather than say ‘but not that kind of Democrat’ which really is all they’re doing. Democrats haven’t been listening to voters for a while now, and this was a post-election test ‘are you ready to listen now?’ and the answer is ‘no’.
I’m not asking Democrats to embrace everything about Mamdani, but they’ll endorse pro-fossil fuel Democrats and pro-gun Democrats, but not economically liberal Democrats. (To be clear – none of Mamdani’s policies are socialist – they are all liberal. They all would have fit very easily into the Great Society or Carter’s campaign.) The easiest thing for Democrats to do is to endorse Mamdani’s focus on improving the lives of poor people, and they won’t do that because NYC is a liberal city with a LOT of liberal billionaires that pour money into the party (it is not a mistake that both chambers of congress have NYC dems at the top) and want Democrats to have the same economic policies as Republicans, just different social ones. Mamdani isn’t running on social policy, but economic policy, and that means the party can’t touch him without getting his populist working class policy stink on them. And one of the reasons NYC Democrats are voting for Mamdani is because they’re tired of those liberal billionaires controlling the city. It’s a pretty simple conflict that people are really working hard to not understand.
Matt McIrvin
@Martin: Democrats are literally the people who vote in Democratic primaries. That’s who the party is.
mjg
Center for American Progress has a good timeline/tracker of the Medicaid cuts and related horrors in the reconciliation bill: americanprogress.org/article/the-implementation-timeline-of-the-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/
Martin
@Matt McIrvin: I didn’t realize that my opinions were fully substitutable to the American voter than Kamala Harris’s stated policies. I really blew it. Sorry everyone.
Another Scott
@sab:
Yeah, people who haven’t gone through it don’t understand how exhausting it is. How things can go to Hell in an instant. How there are so many people involved, so many appointments, so many drugs, so much paperwork, so many vendors. And they all interact.
What? Your med #1 interacts with med #2 and your blood pressure drops? And you get light headed? Oh, and you fell over getting out of a chair and cracked some ribs? And had to go to the hospital? And got MRSA there? And couldn’t find a rehab place that would take people with MRSA? And … and …
It’s exhausting and soul crushing. And that’s the good case when you have financial resources to pay for care at home.
Harris’s proposal for Medicare to pay for in-home care would have been a lifeline and a game changer for millions. Now, because monsters on the other side want to burn everything down, it’s going to be soul crushing and will kill people.
:-(
Grr…
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Ramona
@Baud: that can probably be expected since the Republicans are evil, the not so bad Republicans join the Democratic party and become bad Democrats. I have no proof of this. It is just a guess.