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GOP Venality Open Thread: Tracking the Destruction (Medicaid Edition)

by Anne Laurie|  August 6, 20252:55 pm| 103 Comments

This post is in: Healthcare, Open Threads, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You

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Spent some time trying to figure out a basic timeline as to when Medicaid would be impacted by Trump’s Big Murderous Bill
Thought I had it figured out (will post below).
Based on hearing personal experiences, getting information from my family’s physicians and care providers in the medical field

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— ??MsGrumpyBunny?? (@msgrumpybunny.bsky.social) August 4, 2025 at 2:56 PM

I assume there are other people on social media tracking various threads of the Republican National Tsunami. Anybody got any links or suggestions I can share?

in the past week
and seeing individuals sharing their stories on SM — specifically cuts to care homes for Seniors — some of these changes to healthcare are happening now??
If you have a loved one in a care facility — prepare for changes and stay informed.

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— ??MsGrumpyBunny?? (@msgrumpybunny.bsky.social) August 4, 2025 at 2:56 PM

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    1. 1.

      Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

      August 6, 2025 at 2:11 pm

      Yes, we’ll start seeing changes much sooner than the deadline. These small rural hospitals aren’t independent entities. They are usually part of a larger hospital system that is already taking a loss on their continued existence. People worry about Catholic hospitals and reproductive care, but it is often the Catholic hospitals that are more willing to use their profitable urban hospitals to fund care more broadly elsewhere. They will take stock and start shutting down early, so the whole system doesn’t collapse. They also don’t want to fire talented people, so moving slowly gives them breathing room to gradually reallocate the workforce.

      These Trumpers really screwed themselves over. I doubt they understand that. I’d pity them if they weren’t hurting others with their stupidity.

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    2. 2.

      Steve LaBonne

      August 6, 2025 at 3:04 pm

      @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: I’m quite sure they don’t understand it.- they’re remarkably stupid people. They will just keep lying that they “protected Medicaid” like that jerk with the disastrous town hall in Nebraska, but people will believe their own lying eyes. You can’t spin Granny getting thrown out on the street or the nearest hospital being 2 hours away.

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    3. 3.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 3:18 pm

      ActBlue just announced some major reforms to crack down on spammy and scammy fundraising. Josh Nelson of Civic Shout explains what these changes would do, calling them "a significant step in the right direction." linkedin.com/posts/joshne...[image or embed]— The Downballot (@the-downballot.com) Aug 6, 2025 at 3:17 PM

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    4. 4.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 3:21 pm

      They have already been shutting down nursing homes that were in trouble from Covid. And the red states like mine (Ohio) have also been cutting taxes and spending.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Doc Sardonic

      August 6, 2025 at 3:22 pm

      Shit gonna get real in a hurry for a lot of folks. The lifestyle adjustments and living arrangement fixes are something a lot of the common clay of the New America just are not and will not be ready for. Thanks be to Providence, that my mother and mother in law are already gone. Put both of them in the same house, we would be on the evening news inside a week, unless I could somehow build Versailles or a similar size dwelling in 6 months

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    6. 6.

      David Collier-Brown

      August 6, 2025 at 3:22 pm

      @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: We do need to shout that from the rooftops: the tiktok video is cool

      Reply
    7. 7.

      tobie

      August 6, 2025 at 3:28 pm

      Deleted….thought this was another thread. Sorry.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      David Collier-Brown

      August 6, 2025 at 3:30 pm

      In addition,folks

      • what other catastrophes are happening that we don’t know about?
      • or that only the victims know about?
      Reply
    9. 9.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 3:37 pm

      Et tu, socialism?

      The Swedish prime minister, Ulf Kristersson, has come under fire after admitting that he regularly consults AI tools for a second opinion in his role running the country

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Professor Bigfoot

      August 6, 2025 at 3:39 pm

      Every time I think about it I have a moment of panic; then I remember that my dear mother-in-law, who spent the last few years of her life in a nursing home,  passed two and a half years ago.

      Yeah, “shit gon’ get real.”

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Dangerman

      August 6, 2025 at 3:39 pm

      Those work requirements don’t kick in until after the election. Some Folks are in for a rude surprise.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Steve LaBonne

      August 6, 2025 at 3:43 pm

      @Dangerman: But the struggling rural hospitals and nursing homes will be long gone before that. Hospital systems budget for at least that far ahead and they know what’s coming.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Scout211

      August 6, 2025 at 3:48 pm

      @Baud: I had an email communication with ActBlue customer service about that.  Here’s what I got from “Fred.”

      Hi [Scout]

      Thanks for reaching out!  ActBlue will only share your information with the specific campaigns or organizations you have contributed to. We share the information needed to comply with relevant campaign finance laws and regulations, as well as your email address so that they can get in touch with you. We don’t sell or otherwise transfer your information to any third parties. 

      Additionally, we do not solicit on behalf of the organizations and campaigns that use our platform. If you are receiving solicitations from them, you will need to unsubscribe directly from the organization or campaign. 

      Many sites, like ActBlue, use browser cookies that allow us to confirm that you have previously used our site. This information will never include your password, and ActBlue will never share it with 3rd parties.

      In both cases, this information can be deleted by you at any time by following these instructions: pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-clear-your-cache-on-any-browser

       

      It does sound like (if Fred is to be believed) that the campaigns and the PACs are the ones sharing our information, not ActBlue.

      The California Democratic Party has my cell phone number and ActBlue does not but I get spammy texts that appear to be from candidates.  As far as I can tell, the spammy texts likely originated from the Cal Dems to campaigns and then are given or sold to other candidates and campaigns from there.  And so on and so on.

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    14. 14.

      Johnny Gentle (famous crooner)

      August 6, 2025 at 3:52 pm

      Of course there will be no consequences for trump or the republicans because the average person has no idea how government or Medicaid work or what the horrible bill actually does. Instead, republicans will, as always, be able to deflect blame. And who’s easier to blame than the healthcare industry? Every republican will be up on their soapbox blaming “big healthcare” from taking hospitals away from good, hardworking rural people, all while hiding the blood on their own hands.

      If you want to see this kind of republican delusion in action, just look at Kat Cammack, a typically garbage republican congressperson from Florida. She almost died from a miscarriage when the hospital she went to was afraid to treat her because of Florida’s draconian anti-abortion law. And rather than engaging in any introspection after facing the real-world consequences of her own politics, she ran to the media and blamed the hospital for overreacting to the law.

      That’ll be the republican motto in the coming years: “We didn’t do nuthin’! It’s all the hospitals’ fault!!”

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    15. 15.

      Trollhattan

      August 6, 2025 at 3:52 pm

      Killing most aspects of our healthcare system seems like Trump giving the people what they want. What do sane people elsewhere think?

      mRNA vaccines were heralded as a medical marvel that saved lives during the Covid pandemic, but now the US is pulling back from researching them.
      US Health Secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr has cancelled 22 projects – worth $500m (£376m) in funding – for tackling infections such as Covid and flu.
      So does Kennedy – probably the country’s most famous vaccine sceptic – have a point, or is he making a monumental miscalculation?
      Prof Adam Finn, vaccine researcher at the University of Bristol, says “it’s a bit of both” but ditching mRNA technology is “stupid” and potentially a “catastrophic error”.
      Let’s unpick why.
      Kennedy says he has reviewed the science on mRNA vaccines, concluding that the “data show these vaccines fail to protect effectively against upper respiratory infections like COVID and flu”.
      Instead, he says, he would shift funding to “safer, broader vaccine platforms that remain effective even as viruses mutate”.
      So are mRNA vaccines safe? Are they effective? Would other vaccine technologies be better?
      And another question is where should mRNA vaccines fit into the pantheon of other vaccine technologies – because there are many:

      • Inactivated vaccines use the original virus or bacterium, kill it, and use that to train the immune system – such as the annual flu shot
      • Attenuated vaccines do not kill the infectious agent, but make it weaker so it causes a mild infection – such as the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine
      • Conjugate vaccines use bits of protein or sugar from a bug, so it triggers an immune response without causing an infection – like for types of meningitis
      • mRNA vaccines use a fragment of genetic code that temporarily instructs the body to make parts of a virus, and the immune system reacts to that

      Each has advantages and disadvantages, but Prof Finn argues we “overhyped” mRNA vaccines during the pandemic to the exclusion of other approaches, and now there is a process of adjusting.
      “But to swing the pendulum so far that mRNA is useless and has no value and should not be developed or understood better is equally stupid, it did do remarkable things,” he says.
      The claim that mRNA vaccines do not protect against upper respiratory infections like Covid and flu “just isn’t true”, says Prof Andrew Pollard from the Oxford Vaccine Group, who is soon stepping down as the head of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which advises the UK government.
      The vaccines were shown to provide protection – keeping people alive and out of hospital – in both clinical trials and then during intense monitoring of how the vaccines performed when they were rolled out around the world.
      In the first year of vaccination during the Covid pandemic, it was estimated that the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccine alone saved nearly 6 million lives.
      Against that there were a small number of cases of inflammation of heart tissue – called myocarditis – particularly in young men.
      “Very rare side effects should be balanced against the huge benefit of the technology,” says Prof Pollard.

      “Those six million should by all rights, be dead today. DEAD! I hope each feels adequate guilt for participating in this healthcare holocaust. ” declared HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy Junior.

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    16. 16.

      gene108

      August 6, 2025 at 4:04 pm

      @Steve LaBonne:

      You can’t spin Granny getting thrown out on the street or the nearest hospital being 2 hours away.

      You underestimate the ability of right-wing media to redefine realty, and the ability of Republican voters to deny reality.

      I doubt most rural white voters will make the connection between Medicaid cuts in the OBBBA and these closures. To do so would mean their personal Lord and Savior Donald Trump did something bad. Their God Donald Trump would never do something bad.

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      David Collier-Brown

      August 6, 2025 at 4:09 pm

      @Scout211:

      As far as I can tell, the spammy texts likely originated from the Cal Dems to campaigns and then are given or sold to other candidates and campaigns from there.

      @Up in Socialist_Canada, the parties each run a multi-province, multi-candidate database. Each is used by all the candidates to track all their work. The federal Liberal one is called “MiniVAN”, and is a distant descendant of Mr Obama’s database from the US. Campaigns are allowed to query any part of it, not just their riding.

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    18. 18.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 4:11 pm

      Apropos of the discussion in the early morning thread, some people in my Blue sky feed are rehashing Bernie vs. Warren in the 2020 primary. Don’t ask me why.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Steve LaBonne

      August 6, 2025 at 4:12 pm

      @gene108: Some of them are already NOT feeling that way about the Epstein files. We have to stop acting like he’s 9 feet tall and completely invulnerable- that’s self-defeating.

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      frosty

      August 6, 2025 at 4:13 pm

      @Scout211: Once you sign up to Minivan for canvassing you’ll be bombarded by candidates from all over the country.

      That being said I haven’t gotten many in the last few weeks. I wonder why.

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    21. 21.

      gene108

      August 6, 2025 at 4:16 pm

      @Steve LaBonne:

      Some of them are already NOT feeling that way about the Epstein files. We have to stop acting like he’s 9 feet tall and completely invulnerable- that’s self-defeating.

      Trump’s not invulnerable, but I doubt it’ll be rural white people that turn on him.

      The influencers freaking out about the Epstein filed are not living in rural America.

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      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 4:20 pm

      @Trollhattan: The idea of RFKjr having the competence to “review” the science behind vaccines is beyond laughable.

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    23. 23.

      Melancholy Jaques

      August 6, 2025 at 4:24 pm

      @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

      @Steve LaBonne:

      Variation of Upton Sinclair’s observation:

      It is difficult to get a person to understand something when their rigid worldview depends on them not understanding it.

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    24. 24.

      gene108

      August 6, 2025 at 4:25 pm

      @Johnny Gentle (famous crooner):

      That’ll be the republican motto in the coming years: “We didn’t do nuthin’! It’s all the hospitals’ fault!!”

      I read an article about a rural town losing its health clinic, and blamed the hospital and not the OBBBA. When the reporter explained the clinic is winding down due to Medicaid cuts in the OBBBA, the residents did not believe him.

      CURTIS, Nebraska – The only health clinic here is shutting down, and the hospital CEO has blamed Medicaid cuts in President Donald Trump’s signature legislation. But residents of Curtis – a one-stoplight town in deep-red farm country – aren’t buying that explanation.

      “Anyone who’s saying that Medicaid cuts is why they’re closing is a liar,” April Roberts said, as she oversaw lunch at the Curtis Area Senior Center.

      SNIP

      Arriving for lunch, retired Navy veteran Jim Christensen said he’d read an op-ed that “tried to blame everything on Trump.”

      “Horse feathers,” he said, dismissing the idea.

      Curtis has become an early test case of the politics of Trump’s agenda in rural America, where voters vulnerable to Medicaid cuts in Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill” law are reluctant to blame the president or congressional Republicans who approved it. Many people in Curtis have directed their frustration at their hospital system instead of their representatives in Washington.

      Yahoo News

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    25. 25.

      lowtechcyclist

      August 6, 2025 at 4:26 pm

      @Trollhattan: ​

      So does Kennedy – probably the country’s most famous vaccine sceptic – have a point, or is he making a monumental miscalculation?

      The answer is ‘neither.’ He doesn’t have a point, and it’s not a miscalculation. He’s just an antivaxxer, that’s all. (And not a vaccine ‘skeptic.’ There’s nothing ‘skeptical’ about his approach, he’s just a true believer in an anti-vax world view. Dammit, I want ‘skeptic’ and ‘skepticism’ to continue to mean something freakin’ real.)​

      ETA: My ire here isn’t directed at you but rather at the author of this piece, whoever they may be.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Melancholy Jaques

      August 6, 2025 at 4:29 pm

      @Baud:

      We should make a top ten Democratic intramural arguments, give them a one word name and a number, then instead of arguing, people could just say PUMA 2008 or RIGGED 2016 and not waste time & words.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Ksmiami

      August 6, 2025 at 4:35 pm

      @gene108: if these people die though, well then it won’t matter what they thought or who they blame…

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      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 4:37 pm

      There is a whole little legal industry built around spending down assets to qualify for medicaid nursing home care. The upper middle class hide assets in trusts. Everybody else just spends down. And once it is spent it is gone. Now that the rules have changed what can they do?

      However RWNJ they are of course they will notice when Mom or Dad get dumped on the street and they will know who did it.

      I think a lot of Republicans in Congress are sociopathic enough to leave their own parents on the street, but I am not so sure about their voters.

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    29. 29.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 4:38 pm

      So it’s looking like Texas is probably going to get Florida’s shuttle. NASA has identified the shuttle to be transferred to Texas but won’t say which one. The problem is that the only one NASA (or the federal government) still owns is the one in Florida. CAs is owned by the California Science Center which is a public/private partnership so it’s co-owned by the state of California, and the Smithsonian one is also in a nonprofit. So really only Florida’s can be transferred according to the law that passed, and it seems pretty apparent that NASA doesn’t want to say out loud which red state is going to lose their tourist attraction because another red state demanded it in a bill that was voted on by the legislators of the state losing it. The law says it needs to be transferred with the consent of the party managing the shuttle, and unless something has changed Smithsonian has said ‘no’, and the one in Florida is managed by NASA and therefore the NASA head, the person responsible for identifying the shuttle to be transferred, can himself consent to its move.

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    30. 30.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 4:39 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: He is not a true believer. His kids are vaxed. He is a predator making money by commissions from vax suing law firms.

      Reply
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      WaterGirl

      August 6, 2025 at 4:40 pm

      @Martin: WTF?  Did they not understand what they were voting for?

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      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 4:50 pm

      @WaterGirl: Of course not. The bill doesn’t say the shuttle from the Smithsonian, it says one that flew in space and carried humans, etc. etc. The authors were trying to block Enterprise from being transferred and likely thought that the Smithsonian one would be the one chosen without naming it. My guess is the authors were unaware of the legal state of each shuttle and figured the admin wouldn’t pick the one from Florida. The Florida folks weren’t in a position to not vote for the bill due to how critical it was to pass and also probably thought the administration wouldn’t touch theirs. This is the hubris of putting loyalty ahead of the law.

      It’s possible they want to transfer the CA one and want to lay the legal groundwork to seize it before saying so, but I suspect not because that would be a spectacular PR disaster, and would likely require something close to marshal law to actually remove given how slow and carefully it needs to be done, and how aggressively people will protest that and seek to sabotage the effort.

      Still leaves NASA with the problem of not having a way to transport it, but at least in theory you could barge the FL one to Texas. You have to fly the CA one, and there’s no plane left to do that.

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      Doc Sardonic

      August 6, 2025 at 4:52 pm

      The one in Florida is located at the Kennedy Space Center Visitors Complex, gonna be a painful thing to get it out of the exhibit hall they built around it. Another problem is the expense of all that and NASA probably doesn’t have the budget to do it.

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      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 4:53 pm

      @gene108: Don’t try to convince them of the cause. It doesn’t matter. Let the clinic go away, and let the public figure out for themselves how it happened. These people will only blame Trump if they come to that conclusion on their own.

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    35. 35.

      Trollhattan

      August 6, 2025 at 4:54 pm

      Day ending in Y.

      Five American soldiers were injured after an Army sergeant opened fire at a military base in the US state of Georgia before being tackled by other troops.
      Officials say the soldier, identified as Quornelius Radford, opened fire with his own personal handgun, and was targeting his fellow troops.
      The attack at Fort Stewart, about 240 miles (386km) south east of Atlanta, triggered a lockdown at the sprawling Army base.
      All five soldiers who were shot are being treated for their injuries and are in stable condition, according to Brigadier General John Lubas, commanding general of the 3rd Infantry Division.

      He is being interviewed by Army criminal investigators, and no motive has yet been disclosed. He was previously arrested by local police for driving under the influence – a fact that was not known to US military before the attack, said Gen Lubas.
      Three of the soldiers who were shot have undergone surgery, he said.
      The pistol used in the attack was not military-issued, and officials are investigating how he was able to bring it onto the base.
      Law enforcement was alerted to the shooting at 10:56 EST (15:56 GMT) and the gunman was apprehended 39 minutes later at 11:35 EST.
      Video shared on social media showed military personnel evacuating from the scene.
      A Burger King manager working at a restaurant on the military base described to BBC News how the staff hid in a safe room after a lockdown was announced.
      Hidden in the sealed chamber designed to insulate them from the outside world, the group monitored social media for updates.
      “I pulled them into the room so they didn’t hear anything,” the restaurant’s manager said, referring to the sound of gunshots.
      “They knew it was an active shooter but they didn’t know exactly where.”
      When it was safe to emerge, their phones started to explode with calls from worried family members.
      Outside, a line of customers had formed at the door. Some people sheltered in their cars in the drive-through queue during the ordeal.
      “I wasn’t worried about the food, I was worried about my crew,” she says. “It’s my job to keep them safe.”
      White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said President Donald Trump had been briefed on the shooting.
      Georgia Governor Brian Kemp asked residents to pray for the victims.

      Someday governor, God’s responding and it’s not the answer you expect.

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    36. 36.

      Ohio Mom

      August 6, 2025 at 4:57 pm

      @sab: Yup, after grandma spends down all her money, there’s nothing left to use to pay health care aides to lighten the load once she’s moved onto your couch.

      And if by chance, there is some money to hire health care aides, watch out. The aides will be so worried about clocking in enough hours to stay on the Medicaid rolls themselves, they will come in sick and be sharing every cold and virus with frail grandma.

      That is also going to be an issue with medically fragile disabled children and adults, who depend on home health care aides.

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      Bill Arnold

      August 6, 2025 at 4:59 pm

      @sab:

      The idea of RFKjr having the competence to “review” the science behind vaccines is beyond laughable.

      I read the statement as
      “my staff of hand-picked antivax professionals[1] reviewed the research that we consider to be unbiased and properly scientific[2]”.
      [1] quacks and cranks and contrarians, some motivated by potential financial gain.
      [2] large double blind studies! If “ethics” forbid them, so sad…

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    38. 38.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:00 pm

      @Doc Sardonic: If I’m not mistaken there’s a wall/door that can be removed to move exhibits and/out of the building, so presumably they can just take it out the way it went in. Smithsonian is similarly easy as it’s in a hangar with other exhibits. CA’s is stacked on a fuel tank and boosters with a building constructed around it. You have to destroy the building to remove that one.

      It kind of doesn’t matter how difficult or expensive it is, there’s a law saying they have to do it, along with a pittance of funding but essentially leaving it as an unfunded mandate. Don’t know if it specifies a timeframe, so maybe they pull it from the building with the $85, throw a tarp over it and tell Texas that their property is in the parking lot, come by and pick it up when it’s convenient.

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    39. 39.

      prostratedragon

      August 6, 2025 at 5:02 pm

      Masterstroke!

      Bombshell report from The New York Times reveals that President Donald Trump spoke directly to Andrew Cuomo about how to stop Zohran Mamdani from becoming NYC mayor. nytimes.com/2025/08/06/nyregion/trump-nyc-mayor-cuomo-adams-mamdani.html

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      Matt McIrvin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:04 pm

      @Martin: The Smithsonian one (Discovery) is sitting on its landing gear as if it had just landed– you could tow it around. The Florida one (Atlantis) is in an elaborate static display showing it as if it were in orbit, off the ground at a tilt with its payload bay open, so that’s more difficult. But the bigger problem is getting it to Houston, since I think the carrier aircraft have been decommissioned.

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      Bill Arnold

      August 6, 2025 at 5:06 pm

      @Doc Sardonic:

      The one in Florida is located at the Kennedy Space Center Visitors Complex, gonna be a painful thing to get it out of the exhibit hall they built around it.

      Yeah. I was just there; they would need to very carefully disassemble much of a multi-story building to get it out of there.
      The rigging would also be a challenge.

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      Gin & Tonic

      August 6, 2025 at 5:07 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot: ​Yeah, I’m not actively wishing for anyone’s untimely demise, but my mother-in-law is 101 and, thanks to Medicaid, in a nice nursing home. A couple of years ago we had her in our house – that lasted less than six months. It is not repeatable. I have no idea what’s going to happen, but looking at the actuarial tables, things aren’t going to go on much longer.

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      gene108

      August 6, 2025 at 5:07 pm

      @Martin:

      Don’t try to convince them of the cause….. These people will only blame Trump if they come to that conclusion on their own.

      I doubt they will figure it out. Convincing them is impossible, they’ll reject whatever an outsider tells them.

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      JML

      August 6, 2025 at 5:08 pm

      @David Collier-Brown: @Up in Socialist_Canada, the parties each run a multi-province, multi-candidate database. Each is used by all the candidates to track all their work. The federal Liberal one is called “MiniVAN”, and is a distant descendant of Mr Obama’s database from the US. Campaigns are allowed to query any part of it, not just their riding.

      lol. The VAN (aka, Voter Activation Network, as I recall) started before Obama and was a tool of state parties before OFA started rolling. It’s evolved a lot over the years. I probably couldn’t find anything in there any longer…

      (Wonder if the old “I Wish the VAN Would Go Drive Itself” group is still floating around…)

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Fair Economist

      August 6, 2025 at 5:08 pm

      @Baud:

      Et tu, socialism?

      The Swedish prime minister, Ulf Kristersson, has come under fire after admitting that he regularly consults AI tools for a second opinion in his role running the country

      Ulf Kristersson is from a conservative party, as you’d expect from a lame-brained belief that LLMs can make decisions (never mind good ones).

      His conservative party calls itself the “Moderate Party” in a feat of Orwellian branding most modern liberals can recognize.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      WaterGirl

      August 6, 2025 at 5:08 pm

      @prostratedragon: Whoa, my eyes got big on that one!

      Reply
    47. 47.

      laura

      August 6, 2025 at 5:09 pm

      Mom and dad, gramma and grandpa aren’t going to get dumped on the street, they’re most likely gonna get dumped on your doorstep. Filial obligation laws exist in 29 states and Puerto Rico. Failure to provide care can result in civil or criminal penalties. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws

      As someone who shared a bedroom and bed with gramma until I was old enough to get my driver’s license, let’s just say; as much as I loved and was loved by my gramma Mary; she cramped my young style. Today’s modern family- they are in for a find out.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      CaseyL

      August 6, 2025 at 5:10 pm

      The GOP base will believe what they are told to believe, and they will not budge from it.

      First off, they’re not very bright. And by “not very bright,” I mean “dumber than domesticated turkeys.”

      Secondly, those deep red areas have been shedding reality-based individuals for 20+ years. Anyone with enough brains to come in out of the rain left as soon as they could for less intellectually-inbred cities, towns, states. The ones who stayed are about as likely to stray outside their community belief system as I am to grow gills and live underwater.

      Thirdly, they are the very models of obedient drones – also a product of winnowing out anyone with more than 10 functioning brain cells, and replacing individualism with “Kinder, Küche, Kirche.” No one is mentally or emotionally equipped to challenge the prevailing groupthink in their area. And, even if they were, the prospect of losing all their friends, relatives, jobs, and community places, for committing such vile heresy will dissuade them.

      So, no, they will not make the connection between their politicians, their Party’s policies, and the loss of the few healthcare resources they have. (Or, frankly, any of the losses that are going to pile up in the next couple years.)

      If all else fails, all their community leaders have to do is tell them that God is testing their faith. Those places where kids have been dying of measles and whooping cough? The parents are already saying it was God’s Will and nothing could be done.

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    49. 49.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 5:13 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: If my experience with my 99 yo dad, the shock of being moved at that age will kill her.

      Dad got kicked out of his nursing home (not on medicaid) because they wanted his room and his floor for their new idea of elder daycare. Ugly decisions are being made as the state cuts back and Covid money disappears.

      The new nursing home was lovely and better than where he had been, but he was dead within two weeks just from the shock of adjustment.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Matt McIrvin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:16 pm

      @Baud: oh, like how Warren “stabbed Bernie in the back” by criticizing Bloomberg, thereby foiling the fragile mechanism by which his supporters imagined Sanders was going to be nominated by minority vote? It really underscored to me how up their own asses they were.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 5:16 pm

      @laura: What if the kids are out of state? Ohio has filial obligation laws but I was the only Ohioan.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:16 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: Not just decommissioned, but disassembled and re-assembled for display. This was Texas’s consolation prize for not getting a shuttle, so the fact one isn’t available is sort of on them.

      But we barge these things around from Michaud to the Cape all the time, so presumably they could barge it to Houston easy enough – it’s not that much farther. And if LA could get one from the airport to exposition park, Houston should be able to get it from the terminal to the center – it’s not very far.

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    53. 53.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 5:17 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:

      I didn’t pay enough attention to the posts today to determine what the debate was focused on.  I figured scrolling on was the best course of action.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:17 pm

      @gene108: That’s my point – they won’t trust an outsider, so let them sit with their thoughts and work it out. If they want to blame it on the private healthcare industry, is that such a bad thing?

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    55. 55.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 5:19 pm

      @Baud: It was a pastry feast for me.

      ETA Our pie filter is mislabelled. Cupcakes and seacritter chow with no pies.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      cain

      August 6, 2025 at 5:21 pm

      @gene108: ​
       
      The people being affected are speaking out. The problem is that their friend and family network will attack them.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 5:21 pm

      @sab:

      I was referring to my Blue sky feed where the Warren vs Bernie debate is playing out.

      That issue didn’t come up in the morning thread specifically. The morning thread was focused more on grievance generally and how we treat and communicate with each other.

      ETA: also, the corrupting influence of social media.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      strange visitor (from another planet)

      August 6, 2025 at 5:23 pm

      @WaterGirl:  i don’t think you guys really understand how much nyc LOATHES mayor cop and cuomo. mayor cop has been awful, is a criminal and is being extorted by the DOJ. cuomo CONSTANTLY fucked with ny while he was feuding with deblasio (and he’s rapey AND kept the IDC in power).

      really, it’s not so much that mamdani is a wunderkind, it’s that a lot of us just DESPISE mayor cop and cuomo.

      learning that cuomo is “consulting” with pervert hoover is just gonna tank his numbers further.

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    59. 59.

      cain

      August 6, 2025 at 5:25 pm

      @CaseyL: ​
       
      At this point they’ll be all dead. Which will make gerrymandering even more fun.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      laura

      August 6, 2025 at 5:27 pm

      @sab: that I do not know- I would speculate that each state that has such a law would address it. However, if you need a coconspirator to schlep your Marin Co bro back to Ohio, well….wink wink and nod.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:27 pm

      @prostratedragon: As if Cuomo threatening to move to Florida if Mamdani wins wasn’t enough incentive for people to vote for Mamdani…

      I swear to god the Democratic Party is now accidentally in allegiance with Trump and they don’t understand why their approval is so low.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      WaterGirl

      August 6, 2025 at 5:33 pm

      @sab: Hey, there are some pies!  But yes, I went with the more general desserts than just pie.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 5:33 pm

      @laura: Please NO

      ETA Also too anyone who thinks Marin is blue hasn’t paid attention to local politics.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      strange visitor (from another planet)

      August 6, 2025 at 5:33 pm

      @Martin: yeah, that would really suck, except cuomo’s not RUNNING as a democrat. he’s running on an independent ticket, basically, the fuck you, that’s why party.

      i REALLY don’t think you have the first clue as to how much CONTEMPT we have for cuomo. he fucked with the city for YEARS.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 5:33 pm

      @WaterGirl: Delicious. I love them all.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 5:34 pm

      @strange visitor (from another planet):

      It worked for Joe Lieberman after the CT Dems voted him out.

      I don’t think it’ll work for Cuomo however.

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    67. 67.

      WaterGirl

      August 6, 2025 at 5:35 pm

      @Martin:

      I swear to god the Democratic Party is now accidentally in allegiance with Trump and they don’t understand why their approval is so low.

      I don’t understand the point you are making there.  How is the democratic party in allegiance with Trump?

      edit: Oh, I guess you are talking about Cuomo in cahoots with Trump?  Cuomo is no Democrat.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      strange visitor (from another planet)

      August 6, 2025 at 5:35 pm

      @Baud: i agree. i think cuomo’s cooked.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      WaterGirl

      August 6, 2025 at 5:36 pm

      @strange visitor (from another planet):

      As far as I can tell, because of his shenanigans with the Demis in the legislature, Cuomo was never really a Democrat.  He aided the Rs his entire time in office – at least he did as far as I can tell from this distance.

      Keep digging, Andrew.

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    70. 70.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 5:38 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      Lots of Democrats are bad Democrats.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      strange visitor (from another planet)

      August 6, 2025 at 5:41 pm

      @WaterGirl:  yup. and he screwed us with the redistricting on his way out the door. but he nourished the IDC and by design, they voted with the republicans, keeping progressive change in NY creeping like glaciers.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      WaterGirl

      August 6, 2025 at 5:42 pm

      @strange visitor (from another planet): A traitor to his own party.  And he apparently thinks he gets to skate on his treatment of women.  I loathe him.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

      August 6, 2025 at 5:42 pm

      @Baud: There are bad Democrats and good ones too. However, for some reason, every bad Democrat is perceived by some people as being THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. It’s exhausting.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Chief Oshkosh

      August 6, 2025 at 5:43 pm

      @cain: Again, is that a problem? It sure as shit isn’t a problem for me. If some MAGA muppet is getting shit on by his MAGA “friends” because he is complaining about the real pain of the direct outcome of the the Big Buttugly Bill, well, that’s what shitbirds do. They shit all over everyone.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Matt McIrvin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:43 pm

      @Martin: Mamdani is the Democrat here. At least give the party that much credit.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      laura

      August 6, 2025 at 5:43 pm

      @sab: as you wish. Marin is bougie af. Beautiful and bougie. It’s come a long way from back in the day when you could give a baby a beer: youtu.be/w-YaWE0zu-c?

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    77. 77.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 5:44 pm

      @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

      It’s similar to what the Republicans do too, when they usually present an outlier position as the official party dogma.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 5:45 pm

      @laura: My dad forced his mother in law into a nursing home a few years after we made her sell her house and move in with us because Mom’s blood pressure went through the roof.

      Grandma couldn’t stay home alone. She lied to us on the phone after she had a bad fall. “I’m fine.” A neighbor called us. I hadn’t stopped by because I had a horrible cold and parents were on their first vacation in years.

      Eldercare is full of surprises.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      strange visitor (from another planet)

      August 6, 2025 at 5:46 pm

      @WaterGirl: thirteen women. iirc, one a state trooper!

      in his protective detail! and she hadda GUN!

      fuck that guy.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Chief Oshkosh

      August 6, 2025 at 5:46 pm

      @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: (and others)

      Possibly Martin’s point is that the establishment Democrats refuse to endorse Mandami, and several seem, or seemed at some point, to be fine with Cuomo continuing his campaign as a spoiler.

      But, I don’t mean to speak for Martin, and I sure as heck don’t have any experience with NYS or NYC politics.

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    81. 81.

      strange visitor (from another planet)

      August 6, 2025 at 5:50 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:  cuomo is just like groper cleveland. just as vain, just as vindictive, just as much of a narcissist.

      you better believe he keeps enemy lists.

      the scuttlebutt is that a lot of people are being cagey about endorsements because they don’t wanna be on one.

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    82. 82.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 5:53 pm

      @sab: Maybe the plan is to kill off two generations, the very elderly on medicaid and their slightly elderly children.

      Think of the savings on medicare, medicaid and social security!

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    83. 83.

      prostratedragon

      August 6, 2025 at 5:53 pm

      @laura:  Your gramma would probably say, “… and you think I don’t have a style?”

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 5:56 pm

      Zohran Mamdani just released a statement about Cuomo working with Trump:[image or embed]— Peter Sterne (@petersterne.com) Aug 6, 2025 at 5:20 PM

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    85. 85.

      Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

      August 6, 2025 at 5:56 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      Its the over the top dramatic language that just kills me. Not endorsing someone is absolutely not in the same league as being in cahoots with Trump. That is absolutely ridiculous. Cuomo has 100% been opposed to Mamdani being in office. I think he thought he was entitled to return to office. The so-called NY Democratic Establishment? They haven’t endorsed anyone. They’ve basically been like, ‘No comment. Whatever. Meh. I don’t have a position.’

      What’s been the response from the left? ‘OMG!!! THEY HATE MAMDANI! THEY ARE AFTER HIM! THEY WANT REPUBLICANS TO WIN!!!!1!!!’ This is what I mean by exhausting.

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    86. 86.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 5:57 pm

      @strange visitor (from another planet): Oh, I grew up in NYC. I fully appreciate the degree of animosity NYC residents can have for a Democratic governor, let alone one who is a creep.

      The underlying problem is that the politics of NYC are antithetical to the politics of everything that isn’t NYC, and governors always side with the rest of the state, but have significant control over the city – the MTA, port authority, etc. NYC governance has shocking little control over the critical infrastructure of the city and is forced to beg the governor for everything in an environment where the governor scores political points in the state by telling the city to fix their own problems – which they aren’t empowered to do. The disconnect between authority and responsibility is why things are so untenable. And that’s before you get Trump and every asshole billionaire treating the place as their own private economic Petri dish.

      I was shocked that Cuomo got as many votes as he did given that Lander was right there on the ballot.

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    87. 87.

      Miss Bianca

      August 6, 2025 at 6:00 pm

      @Melancholy Jaques: that sounds like the old joke about the numbered jokes…

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 6:01 pm

      @WaterGirl: Also the refusal for most democrats to endorse their own candidate. It is quite obvious that most of the party would prefer Cuomo win over Mamdani which puts them in allegiance with Trump.

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    89. 89.

      Baud

      August 6, 2025 at 6:03 pm

      @Martin:

      Not endorsing ≠ a preference.

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    90. 90.

      laura

      August 6, 2025 at 6:04 pm

      @prostratedragon: FYI, gramma Mary definitely had a style, and it was go off your meds, run naked through town, end up in the nude in the fountain at julliard park and end up in a straightjacket in the county lock up until she’d in patient at Napa State Hospital. That’s how she ended up in my room because my dad and my aunt had no alternative and they loved her too.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

      August 6, 2025 at 6:10 pm

      @Baud: Exactly.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Geminid

      August 6, 2025 at 6:11 pm

      @Martin: That’s not so obvious to me, that most of the party– and I assume you mean electeds– would rather have Cuomo. Mamdani just isn’t as big a threat to the party as his most vehement opponents and adherents make him out to be. There are reasons not endorse to Mamdani, but these non-endorsements are being spun up into something they’re not.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Parfigliano

      August 6, 2025 at 6:14 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: I’m hoping for many people’s untimely demise ASAP.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 6:23 pm

      @WaterGirl: No, I think Cuomo was a Democrat, but one with presidential ambitions and as such he made decisions to appeal to rural and suburban sensibilities over the needs of the city – which the governor of NY has fairly extraordinary control. So he was also power hungry because that helps with that presidential trip.

      I mean, the party right now is talking itself into moving to the right to win, which is exactly what Cuomo was doing as governor.

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    95. 95.

      Geminid

      August 6, 2025 at 6:26 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: I think the problem die-hard Bernie Bros had with Warren stem from an interview where she she said Sanders gried to dissuade he from running because a woman could not win. Sanders was asked about it at a debate and he blustered about how he would never have said something like that.

      When the debate ended Warren confronted Sanders and a microphone caught her saying, “Did you just call me a liar?” upon which Sanders proceeded to jab his finger into her personal space while pushing back verbally. The whole affair was a discreditable performance on his part.

      Anyway, that’s when all the snake emojis started flying.

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    96. 96.

      sab

      August 6, 2025 at 6:36 pm

      @laura: We had a great aunt like that. I think they just shipped her back to Seattle for other relatives.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      prostratedragon

      August 6, 2025 at 6:54 pm

      @laura:  No, Granny, no!

      (Though that makes unclear to me how she could have cramped your style.😉 Youthful homebody, eh?)

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 7:08 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: Why? They didn’t have anything to do with Mamdani winning the primary. All I’m saying is that when Democratic voters say ‘hey, this is our guy’ to stop and examine why voters said that rather than say ‘but not that kind of Democrat’ which really is all they’re doing. Democrats haven’t been listening to voters for a while now, and this was a post-election test ‘are you ready to listen now?’ and the answer is ‘no’.

      I’m not asking Democrats to embrace everything about Mamdani, but they’ll endorse pro-fossil fuel Democrats and pro-gun Democrats, but not economically liberal Democrats. (To be clear – none of Mamdani’s policies are socialist – they are all liberal. They all would have fit very easily into the Great Society or Carter’s campaign.) The easiest thing for Democrats to do is to endorse Mamdani’s focus on improving the lives of poor people, and they won’t do that because NYC is a liberal city with a LOT of liberal billionaires that pour money into the party (it is not a mistake that both chambers of congress have NYC dems at the top) and want Democrats to have the same economic policies as Republicans, just different social ones. Mamdani isn’t running on social policy, but economic policy, and that means the party can’t touch him without getting his populist working class policy stink on them. And one of the reasons NYC Democrats are voting for Mamdani is because they’re tired of those liberal billionaires controlling the city. It’s a pretty simple conflict that people are really working hard to not understand.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Matt McIrvin

      August 6, 2025 at 7:41 pm

      @Martin: Democrats are literally the people who vote in Democratic primaries. That’s who the party is.

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    100. 100.

      mjg

      August 6, 2025 at 7:57 pm

      Center for American Progress has a good timeline/tracker of the Medicaid cuts and related horrors in the reconciliation bill: americanprogress.org/article/the-implementation-timeline-of-the-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/

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    101. 101.

      Martin

      August 6, 2025 at 8:03 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: I didn’t realize that my opinions were fully substitutable to the American voter than Kamala Harris’s stated policies. I really blew it. Sorry everyone.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Another Scott

      August 6, 2025 at 10:32 pm

      @sab:

      Eldercare is full of surprises.

      Yeah, people who haven’t gone through it don’t understand how exhausting it is. How things can go to Hell in an instant. How there are so many people involved, so many appointments, so many drugs, so much paperwork, so many vendors. And they all interact.

      What? Your med #1 interacts with med #2 and your blood pressure drops? And you get light headed? Oh, and you fell over getting out of a chair and cracked some ribs? And had to go to the hospital? And got MRSA there? And couldn’t find a rehab place that would take people with MRSA? And … and …

      It’s exhausting and soul crushing. And that’s the good case when you have financial resources to pay for care at home.

      Harris’s proposal for Medicare to pay for in-home care would have been a lifeline and a game changer for millions. Now, because monsters on the other side want to burn everything down, it’s going to be soul crushing and will kill people.

      :-(

      Grr…

      Thanks.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Ramona

      August 7, 2025 at 5:49 pm

      @Baud: that can probably be expected since the Republicans are evil, the not so bad Republicans join the Democratic party and become bad Democrats. I have no proof of this. It is just a guess.

      Reply

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