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Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

Let me file that under fuck it.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

Oppose, oppose, oppose. do not congratulate. this is not business as usual.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

I desperately hope that, yet again, i am wrong.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

Fear and negativity are contagious, but so is courage!

You cannot shame the shameless.

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

I would try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Museums are not America’s attic for its racist shit.

The words do not have to be perfect.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

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One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

Is trump is trying to break black America over his knee? signs point to ‘yes’.

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Wednesday Morning Open Thread: They Break Upon Us

by Anne Laurie|  October 15, 20255:33 am| 232 Comments

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mike johnson’s son currently confiscating his phone and deleting all his news apps

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— GHOULLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) October 14, 2025 at 7:53 PM

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i am making a THEY DO NOT BREAK US THEY BREAK UPON US flag that i will wave as high as i can on saturday for no kings. repost this with what you intend to do. encourage every person you know to hit the streets.

— GHOULLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) October 15, 2025 at 1:00 AM

we have the rest of this week to rally every fucking person all of us knows to hit the streets, i have ten people i am bringing out, repost this with better numbers than mine, you competitive people, beat my numbers

— GHOULLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) October 15, 2025 at 1:24 AM

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Fox News, the former employer of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, has joined a near-unanimous outpouring of news organizations rejecting new rules for journalists based in the Pentagon.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) October 14, 2025 at 8:00 PM

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A Florida judge on Tuesday temporarily blocked the planned transfer of prime downtown Miami land for Donald Trump’s future presidential library.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) October 14, 2025 at 9:30 PM

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BREAKING: The Supreme Court rejects Alex Jones' appeal of $1.4 billion judgment for calling Sandy Hook school shooting a hoax.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) October 14, 2025 at 9:45 AM

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President Donald Trump has faced backlash after bragging about his ability to dodge bullets at an event honoring assassinated activist Charlie Kirk.

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— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast.bsky.social) October 14, 2025 at 9:25 PM

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And, in reference to an item from Cole’s late-night post:

Kansas Young Republicans shut down after Politico report on racist, violent encrypted chat | #ksleg via @kansascarpenter.bsky.social kansasreflector.com/2025/10/14/k…

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— Kansas Reflector (@kansasreflector.com) October 14, 2025 at 7:01 PM


Shocked — shocked! — to discover there is *gambling* going on at this gaming establishment!…

When I lived in DC I was once on the Metro w 3 guys like this: doughy, bad haircuts, dark ill-fitting suits on a Fri or Sat night. I looked at them & said “you guys here for C-PAC?” They smiled and said yes. I didn’t respond. After about 3-4 seconds their smiled sagged & they slumped in their seats

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    1. 1.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 5:41 am

      We live in a world where 4chan types now occupy positions of real power

      Better then naked bike rides, I guess.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 5:48 am

      Fox News, the former employer of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, has joined a near-unanimous outpouring of news organizations rejecting new rules for journalists based in the Pentagon.

      Related. Many, many airports are refusing to air Noem’s propaganda video.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      p.a.

      October 15, 2025 at 5:55 am

      Republican Party backing Lysenkoism in every aspect of American society.  Disastrous and ridiculous at the same time.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 6:01 am

      Ho hum

      Florida judge orders GOP Rep. Cory Mills to have no contact with ex-girlfriend

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 6:07 am

      Never a dull moment

      Afghanistan and Pakistan exchanged their deadliest fire in years. Here’s what we know

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 6:23 am

      Folks are sleeping in today.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      MagdaInBlack

      October 15, 2025 at 6:34 am

      @Baud: I wish. Just having a little trouble returning to human form. Wednesday-itis.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Liminal Owl

      October 15, 2025 at 6:37 am

      A square foot should suffice for Trump’s presidential library, shouldn’t it? Maybe they can dedicate that much land, as a settlement…

      Reply
    9. 9.

      no body no name

      October 15, 2025 at 6:40 am

      Bragging about dodging bullets is wild.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      October 15, 2025 at 6:40 am

      Trying to understand how a naked bike ride could be the most threatening thing someone had ever seen, and all I can come up is Johnson just discovered after comparing his Johnson to a bunch of average dude’s Johnsons that his Johnson doesn’t measure up.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 6:44 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:

      Trying to understand how a naked bike ride could be the most threatening thing someone had ever seen,

       
      Perhaps it awoke some scary feelings he didn’t know he had.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Deputinize America

      October 15, 2025 at 6:45 am

      America’s Bestest Ally EVAR! The most moral country in existence….

      theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/14/freed-palestinians-describe-horrors-of-israeli-jail

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    13. 13.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      October 15, 2025 at 6:45 am

      @no body no name: Yeah it’s totally feasible that he dodges them because he’s so incredibly nimble.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      rikyrah

      October 15, 2025 at 6:46 am

      Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 6:46 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      rikyrah

      October 15, 2025 at 6:47 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:

      He is a whiny crybaby. The naked bike ride, while odd, is hilarious😂😂

      Reply
    17. 17.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      October 15, 2025 at 6:49 am

      @Baud: Given that weird pact he has with his son I’m pretty sure he’s aware of those feelings. But he’s been telling himself all these years that sure I’m not hung like a porn star but who is? Then he saw a bunch of naked guys riding bikes on a damp cold Portland fall day – prime weenie shrinking conditions – and was like dammit!

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 6:50 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Threatened by a naked bike ride? Pastor Johnson better never come to PGH. We have a funny police scanner Xhitter account, and, like, half of the events are about someone taking off their pants in public.

      PGH is #BaudArmy.

      ETA: Recent call:

      East Liberty. Penn Ave. Caller said he took an edible and is now high af. They would like for someone to help them land back on earth.

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      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 7:01 am

      @Suzanne:

      half of the events are about someone taking off their pants in public.

       

      The key is not putting on the pants in the first place.

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      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 7:04 am

      Someone in my neighborhood group alerted us to something sketchy yesterday. Law enforcement, wearing camo and face masks, showed up in unmarked vans and SUVs to a house a few blocks away from mine. PGH Police were also there, and one said it was a drug bust. They took five people, including two kids.

      PGH Police has said they will not be coordinating with ICE, and SWAT does wear camo, But the face masks had my neighbors questioning if this was in fact ICE.

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      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 7:05 am

      I read that Cody Balmer, the guy who broke into the Pennsylvania Governor’s Mansion in Harrisburg and set part of it on fire, pleaded guilty to multiple felonies yesterday. I think the judge imposed a sentence of 25 to 50 years in prison as per a plea ageement.

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    22. 22.

      Deputinize America

      October 15, 2025 at 7:09 am

      @Suzanne:

      Why is it that Republican Speakers of the House turn out to be weirdly repressed closet cases?

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 7:12 am

      @Deputinize America:

      Look at the pool they have to choose from.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      October 15, 2025 at 7:17 am

      @Baud: Yeah this is what I was going to say but Baud was quicker on the draw.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      Chief Oshkosh

      October 15, 2025 at 7:17 am

      So ABC News(?) is traipsing out air traffic controllers at DCA who are trying to make the public aware of the potential for safety issues caused by the shutdown. That’s all well and good, and I applaud ATC personnel, but ABC of course reports it as though Republicans are not 100% in charge of the shutdown. If only those dopey Democrats would play the roles they were assigned, we’d all be able to get on with our lives.

      Fuck ’em. Shut it all down. It’ll play havoc with my professional and private plans, but hey, that’ll give me more time to participate in No Kings. I got three more cronies to sign on for this Saturday’s “festivities” – and two of them are conservatives!! (Though, admittedly, both of them left the Republican Party some time ago.)

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    26. 26.

      What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

      October 15, 2025 at 7:20 am

      @Suzanne: Had no idea PGH was so pants free.

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    27. 27.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 7:23 am

      @Deputinize America:

      Why is it that Republican Speakers of the House turn out to be weirdly repressed closet cases? 

      Because they’re Republicans.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Betty

      October 15, 2025 at 7:23 am

      @Baud: Get the peacekeeper on it, stat! No way the Nobel Peace Prize will escape him this time.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 7:25 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: I think the legal weed and all the meth has something to do with it.

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      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 7:25 am

      @Betty:

      The article quotes Trump as offering to broker peace.

      Semafor has a big article today about Trump looking for more peace deals.

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    31. 31.

      Trivia Man

      October 15, 2025 at 7:28 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Just spitballing here – maybe it is a moral peril? If you see any non-procreative nudity, any gender, even unintentionally then your soul goes to hell. Immortal damnation is pretty bad.

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    32. 32.

      Betty

      October 15, 2025 at 7:31 am

      @Baud: So the sun did rise in the east again? (Sigh!)

      I have seen clips of the interview Jack Smith did with Andrew Weissman. Well worth a front page post. A man of integrity.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      October 15, 2025 at 7:33 am

      @Trivia Man: I think they’re just weird about anything even vaguely suggesting sex. It’s practically Republican policy that you have to be.

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    34. 34.

      Cheryl from Maryland

      October 15, 2025 at 7:43 am

      I was in Portland about 18 years ago for work.  The Naked Bike Ride (mainly on fixies) was a weekly tourist attraction.  It went past all the best coffee places.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      tobie

      October 15, 2025 at 7:58 am

      @Baud: Say what? Good morning, early risers!

      Reply
    36. 36.

      JML

      October 15, 2025 at 7:59 am

      What the hell are they putting in the Orange Idiot’s Presidential Library? Pile of stolen shit? Coloring books? Televisions? We know he don’t read.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 8:04 am

      @JML: It’s just gonna be screens endlessly scrolling his TruthSocial feed.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Matt McIrvin

      October 15, 2025 at 8:04 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: Mike Johnson specifically is a publicly sex-phobic holy roller, so yeah.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      narya

      October 15, 2025 at 8:05 am

      Those Young Rethuglicans . . . they think they want power, because that’s what they’ve been told they want, but what they really want is connection. But genuine connection means NOT wanting to lord it over others, NOT regarding others as means to an end but as ends in themselves, being vulnerable, etc. Their words and actions are despicable–deplorable, even–and also tremendously sad. Here’s hoping they realize the error of their ways and genuinely try to make amends. I’m not counting on that, as it’s only a matter of time before they get a job in some R “think” tank or at Bari Weiss’s CBS and their words are written off as youthful indiscretion instead of hatefulness.

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      jlowe

      October 15, 2025 at 8:10 am

      Pastor Johnson says it’s the most threatening thing he’s seen yet as he suppresses a shameful boner.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Librettist

      October 15, 2025 at 8:11 am

      Who didn’t expect Trump to creep on the widow Kirk? I bet he lied about his TPUSA halftime show donation. I manned up, if Charlie would have manned up…

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      October 15, 2025 at 8:16 am

      @JML: He says the plane he got from Quatar is going in the library.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      prufrock

      October 15, 2025 at 8:18 am

      The pictures in that last skeet are giving serious, “Where the fuck is your chin?” vibes.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 8:21 am

      From Kan News reporter Roy Kais:

         The Turks are coming. Turkey sends a team of 81 with equipment for locating bodies to Gaza.

      Hamas needs help retrieving hostage bodies it is required to deliver under the ceasefire agreement. This Turkish unit is practiced in post-earthquake recovery operations.

      The US, Egypt and Qatar have mediated the ceasefire negotiations between Israel and Hamas ever since they commenced in February of last year. Turkiye assisted from time to time only played a major role in the last few weeks.

      At Monday’s summit at Sharm El-Sheikh, Turkiish President Erdogan joined the Trump, Egyptian President al-Sisi and Qatari PM al-Thani as guarantors of the agreement.

      Many people– including Israelis– did not see this coming. I think Kais is being a bit tongue-in-cheek with “The Turks are coming,” but there does seem to be a certain amount of apprehension if not consternation among Israelis at the prospect of a Turkish presence in Gaza. It will likely include Turkish soldiers as part of the multinational “stabilization force.”

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    45. 45.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 8:30 am

      @Geminid: From what I have read, over 80% of the structures in Gaza are destroyed or are seriously damaged, including 90% of residences. I read that it is estimated to take 10 years to clear the rubble entirely. They’re going to need help from pretty much everywhere.

      And, of course….. being me, I am wondering what this is going to do to prices of building materials and heavy equipment all around the world. One hurricane in a major American city (Harvey) spiked drywall prices for 18 months. That part of the world builds in concrete and that is resource-intensive.

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    46. 46.

      Scout211

      October 15, 2025 at 8:30 am

      The media is already focused on Saturday’s “No Kings” protests, which bodes well for widespread coverage on Saturday.

      While Oct. 18’s “No Kings” protests share a name with its predecessor, organizers are expecting an unmatched flood of people for what they believe will be the largest single day of protest in modern American history.

      “The anger level is way higher,” than it was in June for the last protests of the same name, said Public Citizen co-president Lisa Gilbert, one of the organizers. “It’s not just policies we don’t like … but it’s also actual chipping away at democracy, at foundational rights and prerogatives that we all expect … People are saying ‘I’ve never been moved to action before, but now I feel like I have to.’”

      . . .

      Altogether, 2,500 events are scheduled in big cities, suburbs and tiny towns across the nation, dwarfing the 1,800 scheduled before the June 14 protests of the same name. Anchor events are planned outside the Capitol in Washington, DC, and in Boston, New York, Atlanta, Kansas City, San Francisco, Chicago, New Orleans and Bozeman, Montana.

      . . .

      When asked to comment on the protests, White House spokesperson Abigail Jackson responded “Who cares?”

      . . .

      Organizers are pushing back on GOP claims that the protests will be dangerous.

      “What you’ll see on No Kings II in October is a boisterous, joyful crowd expressing their political opinions in a peaceful, joyous way. People with dogs, people with kids, people with funny signs, music, dancing, laughing, community building, and a sense of collective effervescence that comes when you gather with a lot of people with a shared purpose,” Levin said

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      randy khan

      October 15, 2025 at 8:33 am

      If you’d like an extra dose of Alex Jones humiliation (and I know I do), his Supreme Court appeal was so weak that the families filed a form with the court saying that they weren’t going to bother filing a response, and it was rejected just 35 days after it was filed.  The kinds of appeals that prisoners file when they think they should get steak dinners get this kind of treatment.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 8:35 am

      @Baud: He’ll be discussing that with his son…(yick)

      Reply
    49. 49.

      zhena gogolia

      October 15, 2025 at 8:36 am

      People magazine in my inbox: “Cheryl Hines’ The View Appearance Gets Awkward After RFK Jr. Questions.” Not gonna click.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      piratedan

      October 15, 2025 at 8:40 am

      @randy khan

      Apparently Mr. Jones did not follow the newly established precedent of greasing the wheels of his appeal by showering the sleazy six with enough incentives to support his “legal position”.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Scout211

      October 15, 2025 at 8:44 am

      Just for a few laughs at Trump’s expense, Trump is super mad that his photo for the most recent cover of Time Magazine is very unflattering.  The magazine was very flattering of him in the article, he even said they printed very nice things about him, but his photo was “the worst of all time.”  LOL.

      The photo is everywhere, but Here is the Time Magazine post on X with a preview of the article and a photo of the cover.  LOLOL.

      Most of the media seems to be focused on Trump’s anger at the photo even though the article is positive.  Trump really knows how to bring attention on himself for his vanity issues.

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    52. 52.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 8:47 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: They are generally called ‘Baudinzers’.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 8:48 am

      @Trivia Man: Think you need to get a new religion, if that’s the case.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Scout211

      October 15, 2025 at 8:49 am

      @zhena gogolia: I read about that.  The weirdest part was when she answered questions about the brain worm and she said,

      [It]Only Ate ‘a Little Bit’ of His Brain Before Dying, ‘So Don’t Worry’.

      She has a memoir that she is promoting.  I think I’ll skip that.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      October 15, 2025 at 8:50 am

      @Scout211: That photo doesn’t seem particularly unflattering to me. It shows an old man, true. Maybe that’s it.

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    56. 56.

      Soprano2

      October 15, 2025 at 8:50 am

      @Scout211: They will always find a way to be the victims somehow. I do think it’s an unflattering photo; I wonder why they used it.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 8:50 am

      @JML: You just know they’ll have the classified info that was in the staff bathroom at Mar a Lardo. No national security problems now with that, as you know Vlad and PRC and everyone else has a copy.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 8:51 am

      @zhena gogolia: I saw an article on New Lines Magazine thought you and others mightbe interested in. It’s by Howard Amos and titled:

         How a Classic Russian Opera Became a Work of Protest

      ‘Boris Gudenov’ has become a focal point of diverse interpretations of power, particularly on light of the war in Ukraine.

      This link might work:

      newlinesmag.com/review/how-a-classic-russian-opera-became-a-work-of-protest/

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    59. 59.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 8:52 am

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: I don’t know about that, but clearly the naked bike ride is giving Johnson the vapors.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 8:53 am

      @narya: Have you ever met anyone who was in College/Young Republicans?

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      October 15, 2025 at 8:55 am

      @Scout211: “Who cares?” So, Abigail, I take it we’re a little upset.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 8:55 am

      @Geminid: The Israelis know they can’t fuck with the Turks. No ‘accidental’ hellfire missile that wipes some out or other fuckery.

      Turkish troops served in Vietnam. I served with an officer in USAF whose older brother was in Nam and said he was scared to death of them. Said “When the Turks enter the valley, the only thing that leaves the valley are the Turks.”.

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    63. 63.

      JMG

      October 15, 2025 at 8:59 am

      @JML: The Trump Presidential Library! We Have the Loosest Slots in Town!!!

      Reply
    64. 64.

      different-church-lady

      October 15, 2025 at 9:01 am

      doughy, bad haircuts, dark ill-fitting suits on a Fri or Sat night. I looked at them & said “you guys here for C-PAC?”

      This is what you get when you follow the “Make voters feel good about themselves” advice.

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    65. 65.

      narya

      October 15, 2025 at 9:01 am

      @Paul in KY: Yes. And I find them horrifying. The sadness on my part is because of the hate. I mean, it also makes me angrier than I can fully articulate, and I am by no means excusing or minimizing a single vile comment or act. The sadness sits right next to the anger and repulsion. I’m probably not making much sense . . .

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    66. 66.

      Soprano2

      October 15, 2025 at 9:02 am

      I think it’s hilarious how all the older Republicans are disavowing what these “young Republicans” said, as if they were at all surprised by it. I wasn’t surprised; I kind of figured that’s how they talked to each other. I’m seeing stuff on Twitter where other R’s are trying to say these are teenagers and college kids. One of them is a state senator in Vermont! Others had jobs with campaigns. I don’t think most of them were even in college, let along high school (that’s one claim I saw). It’s the same as always, Republicans don’t attain actually adulthood until they are 40+, while Democrats are considered full-fledged adults when they turn 18. *rolleyes

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    67. 67.

      different-church-lady

      October 15, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @Scout211: Protests against the king are always dangerous.

      Dangerous to the king.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @rikyrah: Philadelphia has had sixteen annual naked bike races on a ten mile circuit through the city. It’s for body positivity.
      My reaction is that it’s got to be uncomfortable, sweaty parts and all that.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      narya

      October 15, 2025 at 9:03 am

      @Soprano2: while Democrats are considered full-fledged adults when they turn 18. *rolleyes

      Unless they’re Black, in which case they’re considered full-fledged adults when they’re, oh, 8 years old or so.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      different-church-lady

      October 15, 2025 at 9:03 am

      @JML: All that gold crap from his Oval Office.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      jonas

      October 15, 2025 at 9:03 am

      Johnson was claiming at the news conference that the naked cyclists were assaulting federal officers. Deflecting questions about why ICE fired pepper balls directly at a *priest* during a protest in Chicago.

      Motherfucker. The shamelessness…

      Reply
    72. 72.

      different-church-lady

      October 15, 2025 at 9:04 am

      @narya: Adults, yes, but not human ever.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 9:04 am

      @Suzanne: There’s a lot of rebuilding to do in Syria as well. As with Gaza, a lot will be funded by the Gulf Arabs who’ve been experiencing their own own building boom.

      That estimate of ten years to clear the rubble seems kind of high. I guess we’ll see, or at least those of us who stay interested will.

      At any rate, the process has begun. Kan News posted video of a line of big rubber-tired loaders rolling down an avenue in Gaza. They had Qatari flags flying. The neighborhood they drove through was fairly intact but as you say, most of Gaza has been leveled.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      The Other Bob

      October 15, 2025 at 9:04 am

      Anyone who can participate in a naked bike ride clearly has pain resistance that should strike fear in the hearts of any ICE “Officer”.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Soprano2

      October 15, 2025 at 9:07 am

      @narya: Yeah, there’s that too. I was riffing on how in the 1990’s a Republican who had an affair with a woman not his wife described it as a “youthful indiscretion”. They seem to never grow up enough to be required to take responsibility for their actions.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      narya

      October 15, 2025 at 9:07 am

      @different-church-lady: Exactly.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      NotMax

      October 15, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @Paul in KY

      They goosestep to a different drummer.
      //

      Reply
    78. 78.

      frosty

      October 15, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @RevRick: Ten miles without bike shorts? Ouch!

      Reply
    79. 79.

      different-church-lady

      October 15, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @Baud: There is one, and only one time news media will rally, and that’s when their own are threatened.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Ohio Mom

      October 15, 2025 at 9:10 am

      @Geminid: I always appreciate your take on the Middle East, it’s something I don’t follow closely* and your details add a lot to my understanding. Thanks.

      * My understanding starts with, “They’re all assholes, they deserve each other.” Particularly as a Jew, I resent Israel’s arrogance.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      narya

      October 15, 2025 at 9:11 am

      @Soprano2: White supremacy means never having to say you’re sorry. Or take responsibility for ANYthing.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Betty

      October 15, 2025 at 9:11 am

      @Scout211: Oh, his sexter friend is also publishing a memoir including that episode. Dueling memoirs! Oh my!

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Another Scott

      October 15, 2025 at 9:11 am

      @Soprano2:

      Henry Hyde:

      While Hyde was spearheading the impeachment of President Bill Clinton amid the revelations of the Clinton–Lewinsky affair, it was revealed that Hyde himself had conducted an extramarital sexual affair with a former beauty stylist named Cherie Snodgrass, who was also married. Hyde admitted to the affair and attributed the relationship as a “youthful indiscretion”. He was 41 years old and married when the affair occurred. Hyde said the affair ended when Snodgrass’ husband confronted Mrs. Hyde. At the time, Snodgrass was 29, also married and had three children.[17]

      The Snodgrasses divorced in 1967. The Hydes reconciled and remained married until Mrs. Hyde’s death in 1992.[18]

      “Family Values!!” [ snicker ]

      Divorce was still a big deal in many places in 1967.

      They’ve always been about mouth noises and care nothing about the damage they do to others.

      Grr…

      Thanks.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 9:12 am

      @Soprano2: Because they hate his guts too. Even if they kowtow to him in various ways.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 9:16 am

      LA County has declared a state of emergency BECAUSE OF the federal government.

      The Feds, LA County is (correctly) saying, have CAUSED the emergency.

      This is a striking political moment of internal collapse. Local govts feeling compelled to protect their ppl from … their own govt.

      Same time that Pritzker is telling city and state officials to start arresting and prosecuting federal officials for assaulting Illinois citizens.

      OT1H, this is clearly really bad.

      OTOH, our federalized design might end up being an absolute godsend.

      @Soprano2:

      Think that was Hastert, who was over forty at the timeof the “indiscretion.”

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Scout211

      October 15, 2025 at 9:16 am

      @Betty: his sexter friend is also publishing a memoir

      I saw that this morning. That’s another memoir I will skip.  LOL But we will likely be inundated with Nuzzi’s media appearances and there will be excerpts published in media stories ad nauseam.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      jonas

      October 15, 2025 at 9:17 am

      @Geminid: That estimate of ten years to clear the rubble seems kind of high

      Not really. Many European cities, especially in Germany, still had large areas of bombed-out rubble waiting to be cleared/rebuilt well into the 1950’s. And that was under the Marshall Plan. Assuming the Gulf States pour aid into the Strip at a similar scale, a decade or so seems reasonable.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Ohio Mom

      October 15, 2025 at 9:17 am

      @Scout211: Well, TBF, it is an extremely unflattering photo. Can’t help but see a subtext: the emperor has no hair.

      A careful look shows his usual poor application of his bronzer, there is a big unbronzed spot by his ear. But maybe we are all inured to that at this point.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 9:17 am

      @narya: Some of them probably had really shitty parents. I do feel sorry (in general) for anyone who grows up with POS parents. You have no choice over the quality of parents you are saddled with.

      I (luckily) had wonderful parents. Flawed individuals, but in the main wonderful.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 9:19 am

      @RevRick: No padded shorts! When I did alot of bike riding, I used to wear 2 pairs!

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 9:19 am

      @narya: Very sadly true.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 9:22 am

      @Soprano2: Batshit McChimpy was able to ‘explain’ away going AWOL as an Officer (for God’s sake) and various other acts of drunken mayhem by sticking robotically to his mantra of ‘when I was young i did…’!

      Reply
    93. 93.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 9:22 am

      @narya: I agree that the doom loop of hatred they’re on is tremendously sad. I have little hope, however, of them seeing the error of their ways, because they have staked out their ugly beliefs in public. Likely too, they are immersed in an ideological information system, which constantly gives them feedback reifying what they believe. To change they would need to be broken.
      It’s the old prophetic understanding of see and not see, hear and not hear, or as Jesus put it, “If those who have ears to hear, let them hear.” His call to repentance was a transformation of the mind, not a scolding to behave yourself.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 9:24 am

      @NotMax: Like the KA’s with their fucking confederate uniforms they used to love to wear, you know these guys have SS uniforms they love to wear while they are jacking off to TACO.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      jonas

      October 15, 2025 at 9:24 am

      @JMG: Or: “Loosest Craps in Town!!” (h/t The Simpsons)

      Reply
    96. 96.

      narya

      October 15, 2025 at 9:24 am

      @Paul in KY: Oh, for sure. The older I get, the more grateful I am for my parents.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 9:26 am

      @Paul in KY:

      Chafing for Democracy!

      Reply
    98. 98.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 9:28 am

      @Paul in KY: I knew a few like that in high school. They would spout nonsense like “The United States is a republic, not a democracy.”

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 9:28 am

      @Geminid:

      That estimate of ten years to clear the rubble seems kind of high. I guess we’ll see, or at least those of us who stay interested will. 

      It struck me as high, too, but they are probably limited by the amount of heavy equipment they think they can get. And when everything is so tightly packed in a confined area, that will constrain things further. And, of course….. where to put it all and how to get it there. May need road construction just to get enough equipment in and out.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 9:29 am

      @Paul in KY: The job of the 200 U.S. officers and soldiers stationed at an Israeli air base in Negev will be to make sure the Turks and Israelis don’t shoot at each each other. I expect liason officers from the multinational force as well as the IDF will work alongside them.

      CENTCOM has done this before. Some of the Turks and Americans will probably know each other from the “deconfliction” mechanism they set up to keep Turks and Americans operating in Northeast Syria from shooting at each other.

      That worked pretty well the last 12 years. The Turkish and US armies know each other well from decades of joint Nato operations. And Israel has been a CENTCOM partner since 2021, so theoretically they all ought to get along.

      The Turks do have a reputation as tough fighters, which Hamas and allied militia will also have to take into account.

      The size and composition of the multinational force has not been announced yet. They’ll back up policemen affiliated with the Palestinian Authority but not under its control. Several thousand of these are training in Jordan and Egypt.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 9:30 am

      @frosty: My thoughts exactly.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Matt McIrvin

      October 15, 2025 at 9:32 am

      @narya: I went to William and Mary, a college that had a lot of conservatives, and while I was there they kept launching conservative newspapers to compete with the Flat Hat*. None of them ever seemed to last more than a year or two, but I would occasionally read them and they were always awful. They’d interview these national conservative figures like R. Emmett Tyrell and Cal Thomas, and those guy were always saying these horrifying fascistic things, violent fantasies about beating up liberal professors, plans for a theocratic takeover of the country, yeah. None of what we’re seeing now is new, though it’s more brazen in power even though their side is LESS popular than it was then.

      *Maybe the most significant thing the Flat Hat ever did was publish an exposé about the insane stylings of a notoriously racist and homophobic sociology professor, Prof. Edmonds, who was basically our Harvey Mansfield. Because that article was the big journalistic break of a kid named… James Comey. And now you know… the rest… of the story. Paaaage three! Buy Roach Prufe!

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Wapiti

      October 15, 2025 at 9:33 am

      @Paul in KY: One of my history teachers was in Korea and he was equally respectful of the Turks who were there.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 9:35 am

      @jonas: How does a naked cyclist assault anyone, other than the prudish “it hurts my eyes?”

      Reply
    105. 105.

      Matt McIrvin

      October 15, 2025 at 9:36 am

      @RevRick: “They’re awakening things in me!”

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Viva BrisVegas

      October 15, 2025 at 9:38 am

      @Geminid: Now to just get some of those Turkish troops into the West Bank, where settlers are killing Palestinians with just as much impunity as the IDF in Gaza.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Steve in the ATL

      October 15, 2025 at 9:40 am

      @Paul in KY: it’s totally different because KA isn’t a fraternity, it’s an ORDER.  Whatever that means.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 9:41 am

      @RevRick:

      How does a naked cyclist assault anyone, other than the prudish “it hurts my eyes?” 

      There’s a fair amount of people for whom clothes are an improvement (me)….. but seeing a saggy titty doesn’t qualify as “assault”.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Booger

      October 15, 2025 at 9:41 am

      @Suzanne: Sounds like the Arcata Eye back in the day.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 9:42 am

      @Baud: They have a much higher pain threshold than ole Paul!

      Reply
    111. 111.

      schrodingers_cat

      October 15, 2025 at 9:45 am

      @zhena gogolia: Good choice. Not giving oxygen to these influencers/celebrities is what we can do.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      Geoduck

      October 15, 2025 at 9:47 am

      I’ve sorta assumed the library will never actually be built, and it’s all just another money-suck.

      And wow, the young GOP Nazis actually shut down? That was a bit surprising. Probably just re-brand under a new name.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 9:47 am

      @Suzanne: Gaza has three main avenues running from north to south that are still functional. Some of the side streets will likely need clearing.

      As for being crowded, Gaza is not nearly as crowded as Brooklyn. The New,York borough has a land area of 80 square miles and a population of around 2.6. million. Gaza’s land area is 150 square miles and it’s population is 2.2 million.

      Reply
    114. 114.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      October 15, 2025 at 9:48 am

      @Geoduck: I have vague memories of reading that the “library” will be a Trump hotel

      Reply
    115. 115.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 9:48 am

      @Paul in KY: Have you ever met anyone who was in College/Young Republicans?

      They always made sure they were heard at the student council meetings and also were a frequent presence at the queer student union, where I liked spending my time.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      lowtechcyclist

      October 15, 2025 at 9:49 am

      @Trivia Man:

      Just spitballing here – maybe it is a moral peril? If you see any non-procreative nudity, any gender, even unintentionally then your soul goes to hell. Immortal damnation is pretty bad.

      So my occasional visits to nude beaches, and the times I went skinnydipping in mountain streams with female friends, have doomed me to eternal damnation? Who knew?

      Reply
    117. 117.

      Miss Bianca

      October 15, 2025 at 9:49 am

      @jonas: Hell, Berlin still had bombed-out sections from WW II standing when I was there in 1996! Admittedly, it was the eastern part of the city…

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Miss Bianca

      October 15, 2025 at 9:53 am

      @lowtechcyclist: No Jesus time for *you*, buddy!/

      Reply
    119. 119.

      frosty

      October 15, 2025 at 9:55 am

      @Suzanne: “fair amount” = 99.9% of people. Maybe even more 9s after the decimal LOL.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      catclub

      October 15, 2025 at 9:55 am

      @Soprano2: It’s the same as always, Republicans don’t attain actually adulthood until they are 40+

       

      Henry Hyde, of Hyde Amendment fame had an extramarital affair when he was 38 and called it a youthful indiscretion.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 9:56 am

      @Miss Bianca:

      Yeah, if the measure is all rubble, then it’ll take forever. The question is how long before the Gazans will have enough rebuilt to have a semblance of a normal life.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      lowtechcyclist

      October 15, 2025 at 9:58 am

      @Librettist:

      Who didn’t expect Trump to creep on the widow Kirk?

      That’s rather interesting mourning garb she’s wearing in that pic.  She’s certainly not discouraging male interest.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Dave

      October 15, 2025 at 9:58 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: Truthfully I think it’s one of the best photos of him that I’ve seen.

      He looks like an actual normalish older person.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 9:59 am

      @Baud: The question is how long before the Gazans will have enough rebuilt to have a semblance of a normal life.

      And will it happen before the Sword of Damocles perpetually hovering over them falls again?

      Reply
    125. 125.

      Trivia Man

      October 15, 2025 at 10:00 am

      @Geoduck: I think they even admit it is a “library-hotel entertainment complex”

      $$$ hotel/ conference center  with a 10’x10’ “library” in the basement

      Reply
    126. 126.

      stinger

      October 15, 2025 at 10:00 am

      @Suzanne: ​
       And who will pay for it? Seems to me there were London neighborhoods still imperfectly cleared/rebuilt ten years after the Blitz.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 10:00 am

      @jonas: I think it will be more like five years, but as I said, we’ll get to see.

      The money will be forthcoming I think. The Europeans and other Western countries will pitch in and so will Asian nations like Japan and China.

      The Gulf Arabs will likely provide the most funding, and they are very focused on seeing this project through. They intend for this war to be the last one.

      Ed. I think Americans tend to underestimate the Gulf Arabs. That area has undergone a transformation over the last decade, and those nations are not the ones they were 20 or even 5 years ago. They are modernizing culturally socially and economically, and they have a confident and forward-looking posture towards their region.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      Trivia Man

      October 15, 2025 at 10:04 am

      @frosty: It’s ok for people to be naked even if they aren’t sexually alluring. I have met thousands of people, only a very small fraction had a sexual component of any kind at all. A slightly larger fraction had some interest that direction.

      Many signs at our ride said NUDE ISN’T LEWD

      Reply
    129. 129.

      stinger

      October 15, 2025 at 10:04 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: ​
       I was assuming that!

      Reply
    130. 130.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 10:05 am

      @RevRick: Back in my HS days, in the Paleozoic of KY, we only had those who were really rich & snobby/preppy. KY was a Democratic state with 2 Dem senators and the such. Began to change when Ronnie got in.  Our Democratic party back then was very, very overconfident and out-of-touch with how GQP was weaponizing single-issue voting, etc. etc.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 10:06 am

      @stinger: And London then was much less compromised than Gaza is now. I read that they currently have 5% of their water treatment capacity that they had before the war. So basically everything needs to be rebuilt.

      When I was in graduate school, we did a deep-dive studio trip to Munich. Munich was 75% destroyed. They were still rebuilding into the 70s, when they hosted the Olympics.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      Steve in the ATL

      October 15, 2025 at 10:07 am

      @lowtechcyclist: no big deal–if that didn’t doom you to eternal damnation, commenting here surely will!

      Reply
    133. 133.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 10:11 am

      @Geminid:

      As for being crowded, Gaza is not nearly as crowded as Brooklyn. The New,York borough has a land area of 80 square miles and a population of around 2.6. million. Gaza’s land area is 150 square miles and it’s population is 2.2 million.

      From what I have looked at and read, Gaza is much more dense in the large urban areas and then they have some fairly large undeveloped areas. So the averages don’t tell the whole story. Demolition and construction are significantly more time-consuming in dense areas. Just having a staging area next to where you’re working can be hard to come by.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      NotMax

      October 15, 2025 at 10:11 am

      @Geminid

      The Gulf Arabs

      “I’m proud to announce it will now be named the Gulf of Trump.”
      //

      Reply
    135. 135.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 10:12 am

      @Geminid: I sure hope it all goes well.

      Reply
    136. 136.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 10:14 am

      @Another Scott:  Ah, right you are. Hyde.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      TONYG

      October 15, 2025 at 10:15 am

      Those CPAC guys have finally figured out why no women have ever wanted to be with 100 feet of them.  It’s those WOKE FEMINISTS!!!!

      Reply
    138. 138.

      lowtechcyclist

      October 15, 2025 at 10:15 am

      @prostratedragon:

      Think that was Hastert, who was over forty at the timeof the “indiscretion.”

      Hastert’s ‘indiscretions’ could be said to have been ‘youthful’ regardless of his age at the time.

      Reply
    139. 139.

      TONYG

      October 15, 2025 at 10:17 am

      @Cheryl from Maryland: The Naked Bike Ride is the real reason why they invaded Portland.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      NotMax

      October 15, 2025 at 10:18 am

      @Suzanne

      Astounding and sobering color footage documenting the devastation.

      What Was Life Like In Germany Immediately After The Fall Of The Nazis?

      Reply
    141. 141.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 10:19 am

      @Matt McIrvin: For most people that’s the scariest thing possible. Forget ghosties and ghoulies and things that go bump in the night. It’s the existential crisis that awakening to a different reality poses.

      Reply
    142. 142.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 10:22 am

      @lowtechcyclist: “skinny dipping with female friends…”

      Braggart!

      Reply
    143. 143.

      TONYG

      October 15, 2025 at 10:22 am

      @iKropoclast: Hmmm.  Maybe I’m being too cynical, but … 1) Qatar (now a Best Buddy of the United States, was, in the recent past, the primary funder of Hamas.  2) If (or when) Hamas attacks Israel again, Israel will resume bombing Gaza.  3) When another ceasefire takes place, American corporations will get lucrative contracts to rebuild in Gaza.   4) Profit!  (with kickbacks)

      Reply
    144. 144.

      Timill

      October 15, 2025 at 10:23 am

      @stinger: IIRC St Anne’s Court still had bomb damage into the eighties…

      Reply
    145. 145.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 10:23 am

      @Steve in the ATL: Oh, crap! I forgot that. They are an ‘ORDER’, so they can do WTF they want. Dammit!

      No wonder they always looked so smug in their composites…

      Reply
    146. 146.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 10:25 am

      @Suzanne: I think people can be divided into 2 cohorts:

      A) Those who look better with clothes on

      B) Those who look better without.

      I am firmly in cohort A

      Reply
    147. 147.

      Jackie

      October 15, 2025 at 10:28 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      I have vague memories of reading that the “library” will be a Trump hotel

      Same. I think I read a Trump hotel will be adjacent to the “museum.”

      Reply
    148. 148.

      zhena gogolia

      October 15, 2025 at 10:30 am

      @Geminid: Thank you — very interesting!

      I’ve been wondering where G&T is. I hope he’s okay. (Maybe he’s in the Ukraine threads, but I haven’t looked lately, I’m too depressed about it.)

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Old Man Shadow

      October 15, 2025 at 10:31 am

      I’ll give it about two weeks before the “Young” Republicans in this chat are hired by the Justice Department.

      Reply
    150. 150.

      hueyplong

      October 15, 2025 at 10:31 am

      @Jackie: I’d guess the “museum” will be in Room 237 of the hotel.

      Red rum.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 10:31 am

      @Suzanne: Regarding water supply in Gaza: the Emiratis funded construction of a water line from Egypt into central Gaza capable of supplying water for as msny ss 600,000 people, so that’s a start. It began functioning over a month ago. This was not reported very widely because the bad news coming out of Gaza gets all the attention.

      This project was made possible by the cooperative relationship between Israel and the United Arab Emirates. The two nations normalized relations in 2020, and since then the UAE has become the closest ally Israel has in the Arab world. The Emirates have provided the most humanitarian aid of any nation during this war.

      Turkiye has been second. Despite Erdogan’s bombastic speeches denouncing Israel and its toxic Prime Minister, Turkiye’s Jerusalem Consulate has been up and running continuously.

      One result of this ceasefire deal is that Turkiye is now flying aid for Gaza to Israeli airports. Once the Rafah crossing is up and running– and reports are that it opened today– much of this aid will be routed through Egypt.

      Reply
    152. 152.

      Cheryl from Maryland

      October 15, 2025 at 10:32 am

      @Matt McIrvin: My years at William and Mary were in the 70s, so the GOP and preppies were close to non existent on campus, except for the sororities.  Went to a Homecoming in the 1980s and saw many, many students, especially the guys, in suits.  Stopped going to Homecomings.

      Reply
    153. 153.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 10:33 am

      @NotMax:

      Thanks, will get to it. I see it was just posted this week. Must have been on someone’s mind.

      Recently I’ve seen Berlin Express and The Third Man, where clear views of the damage in Berlin and Vienna are shown. Even much later in, say, Wings of Desire (Berlin) or The American Friend (Hamburg), scars are noticeable. So, several decades if conditions are favorable.

      Reply
    154. 154.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 10:37 am

      Fantasyland!

      Trump: “I had a very wealthy person who called — a donor, a great gentleman — and he said, ‘if there’s any money necessary, shortfall, for the paying of the troops, then I will pay it.’ Meaning he will pay it. How about that?”

      JoshTPM:

      lol i don’t think anyone in this conversation how much it costs to cover a payroll for the US military. quite apart from having the military purchased by Elon Musk.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 10:38 am

      @TONYG: 2) If (or when) Hamas attacks Israel again, Israel will resume bombing Gaza.

      All it takes is one yahoo who may or may not be Hamas-affiliated with a homebuilt rocket that doesn’t actually hit anything and the sabers will be rattling again

      When another ceasefire takes place, American corporations will get lucrative contracts to rebuild in Gaza.

      Of course. That’s the whole reason we do this.

      Reply
    156. 156.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 10:43 am

      @zhena gogolia: If you check out the Boris Gudenov article, it could be worth your while to take a look at New Line‘s other offerings as well. They cover a lot of ground both geographic and historical.

      I learned about New Lines Magazine while following the fall of the Assad regime last December. British/Labanese war carrespondent Oz Katerji recommended New Lines editor Hassan I. Hassan as a reliable source on Syrian affairs.

      Hassan I. Hassan is a Syrian American who has put together a very impressive journal. The articles are long, in-depth and very well written.

      Reply
    157. 157.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 10:45 am

      @lowtechcyclist: You poor, poor devil…

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 10:47 am

      @Trivia Man: Right next to the broom closet.

      Reply
    159. 159.

      Jackie

      October 15, 2025 at 10:48 am

      Another agism senate challenge:

      Another round in the generational fight within the Democratic Party is coming to Massachusetts.
      Rep. Seth Moulton will challenge Sen. Ed Markey for his Senate seat in 2026, setting up one of the biggest tests of Democratic voters’ appetite for generational change following the 2024 presidential election.

      Moulton, who turns 47 this month, is putting age at the center of his announcement, saying in a campaign video to be released Wednesday that Markey is “a good man” but he should nevertheless move on after decades in Congress.

      “We’re in crisis, and with everything we learned last election, I just don’t believe Senator Markey should be running for another six-year term at 80 years old,” he said in the video announcement.

      politico.com/news/2025/10/15/seth-moulton-ed-markey-senate-00608034

      I never cared for Moulton  after he refused to support Nancy Pelosi. But, I don’t reside in MA.

      Reply
    160. 160.

      Matt McIrvin

      October 15, 2025 at 10:49 am

      @Cheryl from Maryland: In the Eighties, it wasn’t an exclusively right-wing campus but they had a huge presence, and they still for some reason acted like a put-upon and oppressed minority.

      William and Mary had a statewide reputation as “the gay school” just because we had SOME visibly out gay people. I think I knew most of them. But the homophobia was still so thick you could cut it with a knife.

      Reply
    161. 161.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 10:50 am

      @Jackie:

      Not surprised. Progressives supported Markey over Patrick Kennedy last time. It’ll be interesting to see if they still support Markey, or if someone else throws their hat into the ring.

      Reply
    162. 162.

      Omnes Omnibus

      October 15, 2025 at 10:50 am

      @prostratedragon: You can see bomb damage in London in the Beatles’ Hard Day’s Night from 1964.

      Reply
    163. 163.

      Matt McIrvin

      October 15, 2025 at 10:50 am

      @Jackie: I don’t like Moulton very much, certainly not as much as I do Markey, but I guess you could do worse.

      Reply
    164. 164.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 10:51 am

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      A bombed out church is currently a tourist site in Liverpool.

      Reply
    165. 165.

      Matt McIrvin

      October 15, 2025 at 10:51 am

      @Baud: Moulton’s more of a centrist, has been trying to triangulate on trans rights.

      Reply
    166. 166.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 10:52 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      Right. He’s to Markey’s right. That’s why what progressives do will be interesting.

      Reply
    167. 167.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 10:53 am

      @hueyplong: Or maybe Room 101

      Reply
    168. 168.

      schrodingers_cat

      October 15, 2025 at 10:53 am

      @Matt McIrvin:  Moulton is a pompous ass. Markey will beat the challenge easily.

      Reply
    169. 169.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 10:54 am

      @TONYG: I suspect the bulk of th reconstruction will be carried out by contractors from the region including Egypt and and Turkiye. The Gulf Arabs will be footing most of the bill and will call the shots accordingly, They know US contractors are not competitive and have little presence in the region. Gulf Arab nations have been funding plenty of major construction contracts in their own countries, and they know the business well.

      Reply
    170. 170.

      NotMax

      October 15, 2025 at 10:54 am

      Does Mike Johnson suffer from Stendhal’s syndrome?
      //

      Reply
    171. 171.

      Soapdish

      October 15, 2025 at 10:57 am

      From that picture I’m seeing a disturbing amount of clothing at the naked bike ride.

      Reply
    172. 172.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 10:57 am

      @Jackie: “We’re in crisis, and with everything we learned last election, I just don’t believe Senator Markey should be running for another six-year term at 80 years old,” [Moulton] said in the video announcement.

      Moulton is running the exact campaign to guarantee I won’t consider him.

      Reply
    173. 173.

      Scout211

      October 15, 2025 at 10:58 am

      Lately, when I actually find good news in the morning, I just have to share.

      SYDNEY — Far-right U.S. influencer Candace Owens has lost her bid to enter Australia after the country’s highest court on Wednesday backed the government’s decision to deny her a visa over concerns she could “incite discord” in the community.

      Owens, who has built a large online following for her controversial conservative views, applied for a visa to undertake a speaking tour in November 2024.

      Her application was rejected in October 2024 by Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, citing her record of downplaying the Holocaust and Islamophobic comments. Burke has powers to deny non-citizens entry based on character requirements under the Migration Act.

      Owens appealed to the High Court on the grounds that the power burdened the freedom of political communication, an implied right. Unlike the U.S., Australia does not have an express constitutional right to free speech.

      The High Court on Wednesday sided with Burke and ordered Owens to pay the government’s legal costs.

      Reply
    174. 174.

      Trivia Man

      October 15, 2025 at 10:59 am

      @Matt McIrvin: My personal favorite homophobe “argument” is “everybody is sexually aroused by the thought of naked men. You just have to resist temptation like I do!”

      Uhhh – you may not be entirely straight.

      Reply
    175. 175.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 11:00 am

      @Omnes Omnibus:  Sure can, and that might not even be the latest, though I don’t trust my memory at the moment.

      Reply
    176. 176.

      randy khan

      October 15, 2025 at 11:00 am

      @piratedan:

      That’s one of the problems with being in bankruptcy – you need permission to bribe people, and that’s kind of hard to get.

      Reply
    177. 177.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 11:01 am

      @Baud: Progressives supported Markey over Patrick Kennedy last time.

      Joseph Kennedy III

      Reply
    178. 178.

      Trivia Man

      October 15, 2025 at 11:01 am

      @lowtechcyclist: repent, sinner!

      Personally my only regret is i didnt have more casual nudity in my life.

      Reply
    179. 179.

      jonas

      October 15, 2025 at 11:02 am

      @RevRick: They don’t. As usual, Johnson was lying out his ass. I haven’t seen the whole presser, but I’m assuming no reporter challenged him on that. (Kudos if one actually did, if only to hear another baldfaced lie as an answer.)

      Reply
    180. 180.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 11:02 am

      @iKropoclast:

      Thanks.

      Reply
    181. 181.

      jonas

      October 15, 2025 at 11:04 am

      @Paul in KY: All that was repo’d by the FBI during the search. But I’m sure there’ll be a bunch of other shit he stole out of the WH and stuff.

      Reply
    182. 182.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 11:05 am

      @Baud: No problem. Calling Kennedy’s Congressional office was weird. More activist sensibilities, like they were a campaign office instead.

      Nevertheless, I still hear he did good work on behalf of constituents.

      Reply
    183. 183.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 11:08 am

      @Jackie: Moulton only refused to support Nancy Pelosi for a while in late 2018. She had him, Tim Ryan, Kathleen Rice and the other rebels back line in time for the Speaker vote in early January. Some freshmen Reps like Mikie Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger voted for other Democrats but Pelosi didn’t care.

      Reply
    184. 184.

      Trivia Man

      October 15, 2025 at 11:09 am

      @Soapdish: It was very cold and rainy

      Reply
    185. 185.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 11:11 am

      Ann Telnaes, “It’s About Time”

      Miles Davis, “It’s About That Time”

      Reply
    186. 186.

      Soprano2

      October 15, 2025 at 11:12 am

      @Omnes Omnibus: They deliberately didn’t repair Coventry Cathedral; they built a new, modern one next to the ruin. We saw it when we were in England in 2006. It was quite the thing to see the damage.

      Reply
    187. 187.

      pieceofpeace

      October 15, 2025 at 11:14 am

      @Scout211:

      To me, it looks like a composite of Trump and Netanyahu.  Apt.

      Reply
    188. 188.

      Eyeroller

      October 15, 2025 at 11:17 am

      @Scout211: ​Perhaps ironically, it’s clearly an attempt to make Trump look like a serious elder statesman with a visionary look on his face. None of those traits are characteristic of or valued by Trump, so of course he hates it.

      Reply
    189. 189.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 11:21 am

      @Eyeroller: Also, the photo makes Trump look old and corpulent, which he in fact is.

      Reply
    190. 190.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 11:23 am

      @Eyeroller: Perhaps ironically, it’s clearly an attempt to make Trump look like a serious elder statesman with a visionary look on his face.

      Trump recognizes this in himself for what it actually is, gas.

      Reply
    191. 191.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 11:26 am

      @jonas: I hope the actual classified was properly disposed of, so TACO couldn’t display it at his griftbrary. Cause you know he’d want to.

      Reply
    192. 192.

      TONYG

      October 15, 2025 at 11:27 am

      @Trivia Man: Ha ha.  The right-wing “belief” that being gay is a choice says a lot about those people.

      Reply
    193. 193.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 11:28 am

      @Geminid:

      I’m just happy he hates it.

      Reply
    194. 194.

      iKropoclast

      October 15, 2025 at 11:32 am

      @TONYG: The right-wing “belief” that being gay is a choice says a lot about those people.

      You can choose to embrace all your authentic attractions or not.

      Reply
    195. 195.

      TONYG

      October 15, 2025 at 11:32 am

      @Geminid: That’s probably true.  But somehow I think that Trump and his cronies will get a taste of the money being spent.

      Reply
    196. 196.

      Matt McIrvin

      October 15, 2025 at 11:35 am

      @Trivia Man: Especially the ones who go on about how much MORE enticing gay sex is than associating with icky, gross women. Um.

      Reply
    197. 197.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 11:37 am

      Mitt Romney Issues Statement After Sister-In-Law Carrie’s Death At 64

      Something about a parking structure. Actual cause of death is pending.

      Reply
    198. 198.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 11:39 am

      @Jackie:

      I never cared for Moulton  after he refused to support Nancy Pelosi.

      Similarly, this is part of why I think Conor Lamb is deeply disappointing.

      Reply
    199. 199.

      Baud

      October 15, 2025 at 11:39 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      Stupid, sexy Flanders.

      Reply
    200. 200.

      Castor Canadensis

      October 15, 2025 at 12:05 pm

      @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: They need to attack anything good, if they’re to claim that we have _never_ done anything good.

      Reply
    201. 201.

      Castor Canadensis

      October 15, 2025 at 12:11 pm

      @Paul in KY: I met a few “Young Conservatives” when I was an undergrad. These days you would have said “Tea Party”

      Reply
    202. 202.

      RevRick

      October 15, 2025 at 12:15 pm

      @Paul in KY: Kentucky was joining the rest of the Appalachian-Ozark arc in shifting from conservative Democratic to Republican. Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, and West Virginia went from solidly Democratic to the most solidly Republican states. You see the same movement in Western Pennsylvania.

      Reply
    203. 203.

      The Pale Scot

      October 15, 2025 at 12:17 pm

      Those guys look a little light in the loafers to me, just sayin’

      Reply
    204. 204.

      NotMax

      October 15, 2025 at 12:19 pm

      @Castor Canadensis

      So old I remember the few members of YAF* in high school back in the Stone Age, progenitors of these putrid poltroons.

      *Young American for Freedom

      Reply
    205. 205.

      Gravenstone

      October 15, 2025 at 12:37 pm

      @Liminal Owl: If it needs to expand, they can always burrow.

      Reply
    206. 206.

      Gravenstone

      October 15, 2025 at 12:38 pm

      @Baud:Perhaps it awoke some scary feelings he’s didn’t know he had tired of denying.

      Reply
    207. 207.

      cain

      October 15, 2025 at 12:38 pm

      @Baud: ​
       

      Pakistan is pissed off at Afghanistan – I don’t know the reasons why but it seems seems that Pakistan must always be involved in some conflict.

      I feel bad for the Pakistani people.

      Reply
    208. 208.

      Suzanne

      October 15, 2025 at 12:39 pm

      @RevRick:

      You see the same movement in Western Pennsylvania.

      Except in Pittsburgh and the bougie-er suburbs, which are shifting bluer.

      Reply
    209. 209.

      cain

      October 15, 2025 at 12:41 pm

      @Cheryl from Maryland: ​
       
      I live in one of the satellite towns and so I only seen the naked bike ride like twice. Good times.

      In portland, it’s legal for women to be topless fyi.

      Reply
    210. 210.

      cain

      October 15, 2025 at 12:44 pm

      @Scout211:

      I suspect that a lot of ex-MAGAts are showing up. Otherwise, the press ignored the last largest protest in history.

      Reply
    211. 211.

      Gravenstone

      October 15, 2025 at 12:47 pm

      @Soprano2: Henry Hyde, who was a “youthful” 41 at the time it occurred.

      Reply
    212. 212.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 12:49 pm

      @prostratedragon: Blunt force injuries, I guess.

      Reply
    213. 213.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 12:51 pm

      @RevRick: True. Sucks, but true. IMO, it’s just about all racism (with jeebus thrown in).

      Reply
    214. 214.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 12:53 pm

      @cain: I think the current conflict started with fighting on the the two nations’ border. The “Durand Line” cuts across Pashtun tribal lands and has long been a source of trouble.

      Reply
    215. 215.

      pluky

      October 15, 2025 at 1:06 pm

      @Geminid: Well how many centuries was Israel/Palestine just a part of an Ottoman vilayet?

      Reply
    216. 216.

      Lyrebird

      October 15, 2025 at 1:23 pm

      @prostratedragon: ​
        Thanks for the link, and good on LA County and Pritzker!

      Apparently today they (ICE?) just arrested the off-key singer guy, for… singing mocking lyrics in a giraffe costume. Sorry I closed the window and I am not remembering his name right.

      Reply
    217. 217.

      Geminid

      October 15, 2025 at 1:41 pm

      @pluky:

      Well how many centuries has Israel/Palestine just been part of an Ottoman vilayet?

      I think the Seljuk Turks conqered the area innthe 13th or 14th century. The Ottomans took it over before they conquered Constantinople in 1453.

      So, a long time before the British conquered it duting the First World War. The British left much of the legal system intact and Israel retained some Ottoman law after independence. That accounts for its weird marriage laws.

      Reply
    218. 218.

      hotshoe

      October 15, 2025 at 1:45 pm

      @Soprano2: ​
       
      My completely-uninformed guess is that somewhere in Gaza there is a mosque which has been bombed out, which will be preserved as ruins to become a revered monument, similar to Coventry.

      Reply
    219. 219.

      prostratedragon

      October 15, 2025 at 1:49 pm

      @Lyrebird:

      By happenstance, I just ran across it. There’s video🎥:

      🚨 *Breaking News* Robby Roadsteamer has been detained by ICE Portland after singing Rod Stewart with the Portland Frog! We need your help!

      Please support Robby’s campaign and lawyer fees at https://robbyroadsteamer.com link on bio 💙🦒🦒🦒

      I guess they don’t care how ridiculous they look. Check out the one covering their rear as they drag the giraffe man away.

      Reply
    220. 220.

      gvg

      October 15, 2025 at 1:52 pm

      @Another Scott: That date can’t be right. If they divorced in 67, she would not have been married when the impeachment of Clinton was going on (he was President in the 90’s), and she would not have been 29 etc. Maybe 97?

      Reply
    221. 221.

      hotshoe

      October 15, 2025 at 1:52 pm

      @cain: ​
       
      I guess there’s a few scattered days a year where the Portland weather is warm enough for folks to go topless.
      Certainly wasn’t nice enough last week for the bike ride. Some brave souls in the chilly rain.

      Reply
    222. 222.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 1:52 pm

      @prostratedragon: What a pathetic bunch of goobs they are.

      Reply
    223. 223.

      H0-Bob

      October 15, 2025 at 1:55 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: “have doomed me to eternal damnation”  … when you’ll be naked the entire time 🤔

      Reply
    224. 224.

      Trivia Man

      October 15, 2025 at 3:16 pm

      @hotshoe: It’s always warm enough if you are brave enough. Source: me, skinny dipping in the Sierras in June.

      Reply
    225. 225.

      Ruckus

      October 15, 2025 at 4:14 pm

      @Paul in KY:

      I (luckily) had wonderful parents. Flawed individuals, but in the main wonderful.

      Mine were pretty good, and flawed as well. Of course when I was training to be a mental health counselor we were told and it was proven that all humans are flawed. The difference is that some are flawed a lot worse than the majority. And that the best understood being flawed and worked around the flaws as well as possible. The worst would often only be worst because they could never admit their faults even existed. I was taught that perfection was overrated, (and impossible!) which was the reason we weren’t perfect, and that the best humans admitted faults and worked around them, at least trying to be better. I knew that was absolutely true when I was a mental health counselor for 5 years. About 3/4 of my clients were pretty good humans, often stuck on how to be better. The way I looked at it was that we had to teach our clients how to be a bit better and to understand that perfection in humans means to do the best you can, but that no one is perfect. Look at the top people in sports. Perfection would be always making the ball go exactly where you wanted it to. Or setting a record no one else could. And of course often then someone did. Some are very, very good at that, most of us watch them be far better than we are/were. But then maybe they can’t even accomplish the thing we think is very simple. It takes all of us to make humanity, even as some that are great at something that most of humanity fail at. We all eat, some of us should NEVER attempt cooking. Or at least take lessons with the hope to learn at least the minimum.

      Reply
    226. 226.

      Ruckus

      October 15, 2025 at 4:28 pm

      @Trivia Man:

      It was fun, wasn’t it?

      (Been there, done that!)

      There was/is a hot spring south of Mammoth Lakes that I can’t remember anyone not skinny dipping in, not matter the month. Down a dirt road off 395. Let’s see, first time was 6 decades ago. I think they paved the road in, so that may have ended.

      Reply
    227. 227.

      SteverinoCT

      October 15, 2025 at 4:55 pm

      @gvg: You have to read it closely– it’s not saying he had an affair at the same time, but rather that he had had an affair at all. Took me a couple of passes, because I was thinking of Newt.

      Reply
    228. 228.

      Paul in KY

      October 15, 2025 at 6:31 pm

      @Ruckus: Good points. Being a metal health counselor would be a tough job, but one with sometimes great moments of joy. I’m sure you helped out alot of people.

      Reply
    229. 229.

      lowtechcyclist

      October 15, 2025 at 6:45 pm

      @RevRick:

      @lowtechcyclist: “skinny dipping with female friends…”

      Braggart!

      I had some good times in my single years!

      Also some lonely times in between the good times.  Wouldn’t want to go back!

      Reply
    230. 230.

      Kayla Rudbek

      October 15, 2025 at 10:46 pm

      @RevRick: it’s also unsanitary with respect to the saddle, and probably extremely uncomfortable as well

      Reply
    231. 231.

      Kayla Rudbek

      October 15, 2025 at 10:51 pm

      @Paul in KY: We had business Republicans and religious Republicans at Notre Dame

      Reply
    232. 232.

      Paul in KY

      October 16, 2025 at 7:30 am

      @Kayla Rudbek: I bet the religious ones were a drag.

      Reply

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