Update at 1:20 AM EDT
The protest live feeds have ended, so here’s something to soothe the savage beast. Video of savage beastie babies – the Santa Susana Mountains mountain lion kittens!
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Here’s the link to the live feed of the protest in St. Paul Minnesota. Apparently the police have used tear gas on the protestors in response to approximately 1/2 a dozen police officers having been injured from fireworks and blocks of concrete thrown at them from a pedestrian bridge on I94. And it is now being reported that a Molotov cocktail has been thrown at a police officer.
I can’t find an active life feed for the Baton Rouge protests, but as Belafon indicated, DeRay McKesson was arrested earlier this evening in Baton Rouge. It was captured on his Periscope feed.
So late night/early morning open thread.
chopper
well, this sounds promising.
Adam L Silverman
@chopper: Well the good news is that the crowds are moving from I94 back to the Governor’s residence. This should, hopefully, defuse some of the tension. The KSTP anchors indicated that for the first three to four hours everything was calm and their were no issues and then it appeared some folks decided to or showed up to cause trouble.
Adam L Silverman
And the protest live feed has ended.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: The revolution was but is no longer televised.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: But if something interesting happens, most likely will be again!
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: We’re On Demand! now.
lamh36
Lordt, but this is the WORST time to be watching Strange Days, but here I am…
All about a the murder of an unarmed Black guy (prominent rapper) caught on “video”…
Wow…
Major Major Major Major
There was a small explosion (sounded like a sizable firework not meant for ground level) about a block away here in SF. Everything seems fine. Spooked me, cuz context.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: Can we interest you in some not safe for work WW II Army cartoons instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cChh8HuZrog
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: Someone was intermittently firing some large fireworks off here last night. As in one would go off, then ten minutes later another one, then 7 minutes, and so on. Very strange. For a moment I thought it might be someone shooting a shotgun or rifle, but unless some knucklehead came in here to illegally hunt last night, which would be a very, very, very stupid idea given that the houses and the scrub are pretty well entwined, it was definitely fireworks.
WarMunchkin
I am absolutely worn out from playing pokemon Go. This was my first day playing, and I must have walked about thirty kilometers. And I volunteered at an urban community farm early in the morning, which would have destroyed me on a normal day (lots of shoveling).
And yet, when I look around, I see a whole bunch of people with absolutely ludicrous scores. I have not the slightest clue how people have trainer levels 20+ already, when exp scaling appears to be exponential (or at least a step function every few levels).
Major Major Major Major
Area Man’s Intelligence Probably Just Too Intimidating For Most Women
Adam L Silverman
@WarMunchkin: While its definitely not my thing, though the young woman that found the dead body in the river was interesting, I saw this earlier today and found it thought provoking:
http://kotaku.com/pokemon-go-could-be-a-death-sentence-for-a-black-man-1783388743
(not meant to bring you down or crap on your new hobby)
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: Anybody wandering around Gough street firing a shotgun would become target practice pretty quick, I think. There’s white people in this part of town to protect, after all.
Did kinda sound like one, though, now that you mention it.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: The issue here is I live in a wetland. The entire development and all the subdivisions was put into a part cypress swamp, part oak forest area when it was first developed. No way it would be approved today. But there are huge power company/utility company easements for power lines, as well as wetland mitigation areas. These are behind berms and rustic wooden fences and are either scrub (for mitigation) or open grassy fields for power lines to run through. Back there someone could hunt, and I reckon someone probably does, though its illegal because of municipal ordinances. The sound does carry though – and a long way, because of these easements and mitigation areas at night. So its often hard to tell where the noise is coming from.
redshirt
@WarMunchkin: This game scares me. Have you given up the real world for some Pokemon world?
Prescott Cactus
Friday night PHX rally mostly peaceful, but later a dramatic, hours-long confrontation filled with tear gas, pepper spray, and pepperballs.
March leader deviated from planned approved route and start toward Interstate. Police chief so no.
Adam L Silverman
@Prescott Cactus: I saw that. I understand that the march deviated from the route, but you’d think, knowing that there would be local news cameras running and marchers making their own videos, that you’d draft and enforce very, very, very tightly constrained rules for the use of force, including non-lethal force.
Miss Bianca
It is “soothe the savage breast”, you know, Adam. /
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: Yes I know its a misquote of William Congreve. But in this case I wasn’t teasing a video of a walks on the sun spicy buffaloed chicken breast!
Also, savage breastie babies sounds likes something that would get me slapped for saying it!
Major Major Major Major
Anybody else notice that we’re basically living in some sci-fi novel from the 70s or 80s? Culture wars of the past with technologies of the future, vast international corporate entities that control the information flow and have seeped into every pore of your being, the democratization of content production, smartphones, MMO’s, bitcoin, crypto, railguns, stupid hair trends, Pokemon Go…
Pokemon Go really sealed the deal for me.
JCJ
@Adam L Silverman:
If you want a relaxing live feed the bear cam at Brooks Falls in Katmai National Park is back. Well, maybe it isn’t relaxing if you are a salmon…
http://explore.org/live-cams/player/brown-bear-salmon-cam-brooks-falls
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: We’re all pixels here, man. Who’s going to slap you? /
Oh, and kudos for the bow to Congreve, certainly one of my favorite authors and sinfully neglected in this not-quite-dissolute-enough modern age…
Gin & Tonic
I am in Sin City for the next few days. Lord, but this place depresses me.
redshirt
@Major Major Major Major: I’m tracking. Especially with this Pokemon Go bullshit.
JCJ
@Adam L Silverman:
I’ll try again. Here is a live feed that is more relaxing – a bear cam in Alaska. Maybe it isn’t relaxing if you are a salmon, however.
link
TriassicSands
Peaceful protests — good.
Violence or attacking the police — not just bad, but counterproductive.
Is that so difficult to understand?
The NY Times ran an article today about how BLM is now on the defensive after five police officers were killed in Dallas. In truth, I don’t think any number of dead police officers should put BLM on the defensive as long as the violence is perpetrated by people who are unaffiliated with BLM.
This is Amurka, where violence is a solution. Why would anyone be surprised that in a country awash in firearms a misguided African American would decide to attack white police officers after seeing two more videos of senseless police shootings in which African American men were killed? The deaths in Dallas in no way lessen the horror of watching one African American after another killed by police in confrontations that a well-trained, professional police force with real respect for human life would never allow to result in the death of anyone. Nor should the death of five Dallas police officers have an impact on whether or not we, as a nation, take a serious look at all the needless killings we’ve seen in the last few years and the obvious need for some extensive changes to police policies, practices, and training.
This country really makes me weary.
Gin & Tonic
@Major Major Major Major: I’m missing the slot in my head to plug in software.
redshirt
@Gin & Tonic: Ports in the spine and back of the head.
Major Major Major Major
@redshirt: Huh, my data ports are on the front and sides. But then again I’m a newer model.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Vegas or the Frank Miller film? I would think either/both would be depressing.
http://www.shortpacked.com/2006/comic/book-2-pulls-the-drama-tag/06-the-drama-tag/whores/
Prescott Cactus
@Adam L Silverman: I would almost think that if you had a planned route map in front of you that Plan B, C, D, E & F would be fully in place for route detours.
Not sure what a pepperball is, but know tear gas and pepper spray are not picnics. Temps were near 100 when it started. Wearing a uniform and body armor wasn’t fun either I imagine.
redshirt
@Major Major Major Major: Wow you still need ports? Wireless and loving it.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: I’d almost rather be in a Miller world. People dress better.
lamh36
I’m off to bed, but wow…this photo though!
@chicagotribune 19m19 minutes ago
Activist @deray arrested in Baton Rouge; police use smoke bombs to clear protesters in Minn.
Prescott Cactus
@Gin & Tonic: Emeril’s Fish House at the MGM. Shrimp poor boy.
JCJ
@Adam L Silverman:
I tried to post a link but it keeps getting nuked. There is a very relaxing live stream from a bear cam in a National Park in Alaska. Well, maybe not relaxing if you are a salmon.
Search “Katmai bear cam” – bears are hanging out at a waterfall to snag salmon.
Adam L Silverman
@TriassicSands: What is so ironic, for lack of a better term, is that the people complaining loudest about BLM and claiming its pro-violence and promotes attacking the police and that its a terrorist organization (it doesn’t, it also doesn’t, it isn’t) are also the ones that are usually screaming or, at least, nodding along in agreement, about the ultimate potential to use 2nd Amendment solutions or the need to water the tree of Liberty (I highly recommend the water pump at Monticello myself) or to form militias to overthrow the establishment and restore the Constitution.
Consistency, small minds, hobgoblins.
Major Major Major Major
@redshirt: Much as I’d like to go wireless, I’m rather fond of the way they stay attached to the optic & cochlear nerves. I just don’t trust all of this new stuff. Call me a luddite, I guess, but I just sort of like the analog feel. Like with vinyl.
Adam L Silverman
@Prescott Cactus: A pepper ball is basically like the paint pellets they use in paint ball, but filled with concentrated liquid capsaicin.
http://www.pepperball.com/projectiles/
http://www.pepperball.com/
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Some of them yes.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fpKTD5XaoD8/T3mxtsFbRrI/AAAAAAAAMuw/mgAm5Nph3zw/s1600/Sin%2BCity%2B(1).jpeg
I’ve never seen either movie or read the comics.
Gin & Tonic
@Prescott Cactus: I’ve eaten po boys in NOLA, I don’t need to do it here. But thanks.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: You best have one like that of a man up soon or I’ll sue for insufficient sexual harassment.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: I never saw this movie either:
https://www.muscleprodigy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/gerard-butler.jpg
Happy now?
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Gin & Tonic: I’m on my way back there in a little while to fly back to Atlanta — I spent a couple of days there earlier this week, before heading to Zion National Park for a photography workshop. I’d never been to Vegas before, and within hours I was counting the minutes until I could get out. As soon as you step off the plane the city practically screams in your face that you’re a sucker and it has nothing but contempt for you.
Prescott Cactus
@Adam L Silverman: Have played paintball. That will leave a mark and a scent or ID marker.
@Gin & Tonic: Understand. A full stomach doesn’t beat a bad city, even LVNV.
ETA: Good Night
Barb2
@Major Major Major Major:
So he talked about himself all the time? He sounds like a Narcissist to me. Must be a guy thing. Lots of geeks are like that – good news, they can be socialize and house trained.
I know a whole lot of women who could pontificate on a while range of subjects – Economic theory, neurology etc. But they don’t – they have nothing to prove. My favorite smart woman who can connect with almost everyone – Senator Warren!
That smarty pants guy is just another narcissist.
Dumb.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: I feel like I’m the only gay guy that 300 doesn’t do it for, lol.
But thanks! This really is a full-service blog.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Adam L Silverman: What’s more, a lot of those people have built up a huge animus against the government over Ruby Ridge, where people were killed by law enforcement action. Of course, the difference between that case and, say, Philando Castile, is that Castile wasn’t given an opportunity to surrender, and wasn’t actually guilty of anything. So, you’d think that they would be more upset about his death.
I’m sure there’s another difference between the cases, but I can’t quite put my finger on it . . .
Barb2
I don’t do protest marches except for the candle light vigil before Iraq was bombed back to the dark ages. No outside agitators (who are often cops). Of course Port Townsend, full of ex hippies, knows how to organize peaceful vigils.
The GOP RWNJs do not want the BLM to be peaceful. Fox news idiots have been on a tear about this since the BLM movement began. Michael Brown has been turned into a monster and the cop has attained sainthood – pre-death.
The biggest difference between 1968 and today – the constant media propaganda. Cable news network was unknown.
Villago Delenda Est
@Adam L Silverman: Irony, critical thinking, logic…these are things that the ammosexuals simply do not grok.
TriassicSands
@Adam L Silverman:
The response of the Texas Lt. Governor was just what I’d expect from the Lt. Governor of Texas — shameful, disgusting, moronic, and typical of a Modern Republican.
reality-based (the original, not the troll)
@Major Major Major Major:
oh, Damn – that’s it! we’re trapped in a Ridley Scott movie.
redshirt
@reality-based (the original, not the troll): Can you answer the questions ensuring you’re not a replicant?
rikyrah
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:
You don’t have to gamble in Vegas. You can have a good time in Vegas without spending one dime gambling. I do.
max
@Major Major Major Major: Anybody else notice that we’re basically living in some sci-fi novel from the 70s or 80s? Culture wars of the past with technologies of the future, vast international corporate entities that control the information flow and have seeped into every pore of your being, the democratization of content production, smartphones, MMO’s, bitcoin, crypto, railguns, stupid hair trends, Pokemon Go…
Except considerably dumber. (Don’t tell me that isn’t true: I read all of those books and all those places sounded less tiresome than this place.)
@TriassicSands: This country really makes me weary.
‘Weary’ as a term lacks the drying desert lake of ennui and production line tiresomeness necessary to describe the United States circa 2016.
max
[‘The Stepford Wives were never this dull.’]
max
@Adam L Silverman: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fpKT…..City%2B(1).jpeg
Counter-battery fire called in.
I’ve never seen either movie or read the comics.
Don’t waste your time.
max
[‘Really. Miller ran out of gas in 1988-89 or so.’]
Suzanne
@Prescott Cactus: That’s because Jarrett Maupin led the Phoenix protest, and he is a self-aggrandizing, Arpaio-loving asshat. I have been warned by many people who are very active in social justice to stay away from events he plans, because he seeks attention for himself and is not concerned with safety.
Dude wanted to have marchers in the Deck Park Tunnel, at night. With children present. Without enough police. NUTS.
Major Major Major Major
@max: They were only less tiresome because they were from the perspective of characters who did shit.
Imagine, say, Snow Crash, but from the POV of somebody who does the laundry for an apartment building full of the equivalent of MMO gold farmers.
That may actually just be one of the forgettable characters from REAMDE, come to think of it. That book was so much better on paper. As it were.
Major Major Major Major
@redshirt: This one time one of the now-defunct weeklies asked all the candidates for mayor in San Francisco those questions during an ‘interview’. Only Tom Ammiano noticed.
Ninedragonspot
@Major Major Major Major: Count me in as another gay guy who found 300 … unappealing.
Barb2
OK – this bit is strange. Someone famous is mansplaing to women that we should trust Trump to take care of us women. Someone really needs to explain mansplaing to this famous woman.
<blockquote”Jenner, once an avid supporter of antigay, anti-trans Texas senator/failed Republican presidential nominee Ted Cruz, recently expressed admiration for presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump. Jenner said she believes Trump is "very much for women" — something that Rosie O'Donnell and even Fox News journalist Megyn Kelly may find laughable — and an opponent of North Carolina's House Bill 2, which struck down gay rights laws in the state and mandated which public restrooms transgender people can use; Trump recently defended HB2.”
I really really hate Trump and his fan club. Some women do want to return to the 1880s. Most of us do not. Shut the fucking up – famous lady.
burnspbesq
@TriassicSands:
I agree in principle, but you elided a real problem: BLM has steadfastly refused to be an organization, in the traditional sense of the word. The model seems to be Anonymous: entirely ad hoc, everywhere and nowhere, non-hierarchical.
so how can anybody reliably tell who is or isn’t “affiliated?”
Major Major Major Major
@burnspbesq: Reminiscent of Occupy. They had the zeitgeist and they blew it big time.
Cacti
My kids are doing a summer reading program, so I am too, and I decided to read a famous kids’ book I hadn’t read before.
Where the Red Fern Grows.
I just finished it. Yep, it’s as sad as everyone says. Had I read that and Charlotte’s Web successively as a kid, I’d have probably needed therapy.
NotMax
@redshirt
All the kewl bots have it in the nape of the neck.
NotMax
Bad linky. Fix.
All the kewl bots have it in the nape of the neck.
Yellowdog
@Major Major Major Major: Check out Halting State by Charles Stross. Near future not quite distopia. In Edinbourgh. Stross is my favorite currently writing SF author. Only one I know who got a blurb on one of his books from Paul Krugman because the economics of his societies are so well worked out. Stross is also more tham a little Left.
James E Powell
@Major Major Major Major:
Since it’s not really an organization, it’s hard to say who “they” are – or whether there really is a “they.”
Fair Economist
@Major Major Major Major:
As I punched in a bank code to buy some pseudocommunist clothing for my son last week, I was thinking “wasn’t that a scene from American Flagg”? (a dystopian scifi comic from the 80’s set 50 years in the future, now almost the present). At the time I thought it silly that controlling the media could give control of politics. But, 35 years on, seems “American Flagg” was more right than I was.
Fair Economist
@Adam L Silverman:
I can’t believe believe the studio/writers/producers claimed that wasn’t homoerotic. The only time I’d expect to see men fighting in getups like that is in a gay porn movie.
Darkrose
@lamh36: That movie was problematic on so many levels, and yet, the ending especially, was incredibly powerful. Also, Angela Bassett.
Major Major Major Major
@James E Powell:
Gosh, it’s almost like their (everybody involved’s) steadfast refusal to form a hierarchy–anything at all!–contributed to that somehow. But they went with hippie consensus crap instead. It’s great for a book club but it’s a lousy way to try and change the world.
Same thing with BLM. Okay, you’ve got our attention, now what?
Again, similar, not identical.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Darkrose: Strange Days was awesome. Full stop. Then again, I’m a huge fan of Ralph Fiennes, the World’s Greatest Sir Laurence Olivier Impersonator. Also, Angela Bassett.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@rikyrah: I’m sure it can be fun without gambling (I’m not a gambler myself, FWIW), but from my perspective I don’t see what else it offers that can’t be found elsewhere.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Love Angela Bassett. IIRC, this movie was supposed to make Ralph Fiennes a sex symbol in the US. Glad to see they gave up on that not long afterwards. (Love him too, BTW.)
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: If The English Patient didn’t make Fiennes a sex symbol, it’s not an achievable objective. Mostly, I think it’s his off-screen persona, or total lack thereof, that kills the possibility. He’s very private and has no interest in showing up in tabloid headlines. For better or for worse, that’s a prerequisite for extended sex symbol status.
And, while I love him, he needs a strong director or he veers into total unwatchability. He ought to be perfect to play Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, but that was a disaster. So was The Avengers, but only an idiot would have watched his previous roles and thought he was well suited to play John Steed.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
My god, that Wuthering Heights was terrible. I think there was a period when his management or whomever was trying to make him more of an appealing romantic lead — I don’t recall if The Avengers was around the same time as the Jennifer Lopez movie? But yeah, just let Ralph be Ralph, and rein him in when you can.
He was great in A Bigger Splash.
ETA: I thought his off-screen persona was kind of a problem — ditching the wife for the older co-star, the cheating, banging the flight attendant in the airplane bathroom. Kind of a mix of pretentious Master Thespian coupled with juvenile entitlement. But he’s been out of the tabloids for a while, which is good.
Still love him, though.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: I guess I never followed his semi-private life enough to know about any of that.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Neither did I, really. It was just kind of hard to miss for a while — seemed he was making news a lot. Oh well. Better him than me.
Another Holocene Human
@Adam L Silverman: It seems like any peaceful protest can be jacked by Black Bloc assholes or the similar and they get on the news. What can be done about that?
Another Holocene Human
@Adam L Silverman: This is fascinating because I just started watching the low production quality 1960’s Captain America cartoon and they definitely drew off of Private SNAFU or something very like it for the first few episodes (which are set in the 40s). Steve Rogers gets called a “goldbricker” repeatedly.
I first ever heard that term from a coworker who was calling his fellows goldbrickers when he had a habit of taking excessive breaks himself, so it will always have that connotation to me.
Another Holocene Human
@Major Major Major Major: hahahahaha, Malcolm Gladwell is perfect. The douchebag’s douchebag.
Another Holocene Human
@Major Major Major Major:
I was going to say current events remind me of one of those early 90s grimdark comic books. Good excuse to ignore them and read comic books instead. I used to think the violence in comic books was over the top, but then Pulse happened.
Another Holocene Human
@lamh36: Deray knows a picture is worth a thousand words. He came prepared.
Another Holocene Human
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
Gosh, and they’re so principled and don’t SEE race, so that can’t be it….
Another Holocene Human
@Ninedragonspot: Read Persepolis instead. #teampersian
Another Holocene Human
@Barb2: I don’t think it’s fair to call it mansplaining, more like dimwitted conservative tribalism at work. Plenty of natal women say bullpucky like this. I’m not saying Caitlyn didn’t live with male privilege for years, which colors her political views (being rich as fuck didn’t help either), but it’s a mistake to think of a trans person as someone who goes from being a man to being a woman. Her brain and mind were always that of a woman. (And in fact, she tried transitioning years ago and failed, as many people do because being a trans woman sucks in our hateful society.)
The only man in the women’s restroom is me. I’ve been cosplaying as a woman since puberty. *waves* I know what it’s like to experience street harassment, sexual harassment, and discrimination in the workplace. But I’ll never know what it actually feels like to be a woman on the inside because I’ve never been one. Thank goodness men and women are more similar than they are different.
Another Holocene Human
Strangely, as a man in the women’s restroom I have zero interest in peering under the stalls to see your junk while you’re peeing or pooping. And it’s not like I don’t like to see women nekkid, but only if they consented to that. Because I’m not a fucking perverted creep.
Another Holocene Human
Wow, thread KILLED. TOTAL VICTORY.
Matt McIrvin
@Major Major Major Major:
Charlie Stross’s Halting State is set in independent Scotland and begins with a bank robbery committed in the world of an MMO. Stross complained that writing that series was exhausting because of the danger of his science-fictional predictions being outraced by real-world events before the book hit print.
Matt McIrvin
@Another Holocene Human: Current events remind me of the early 90s, full stop. And on the whole, that era was actually more violent and unsettled than today. It’s easy to fall prey to present-ism under the influence of whatever news event you heard about last.
Peale
@WarMunchkin: I agree. There’s only so much stardust one can get.
Iowa Old Lady
@Another Holocene Human: I started reading this thread from the bottom up to see the most recent posts and found this. Now I’m afraid to read further.
Although, it’s good news.
I guess.
Another Holocene Human
@Iowa Old Lady: Why? I was just off on a tangent. Creepy guys who put videocams in women’s restrooms rarely make national news. Dog bites man.
Unless I’m creeping you out. Believe you me, the day I stop getting “ma’am”‘d I will not go into the ladies room ever again.
Another Holocene Human
@Matt McIrvin: THREAD NOT KILLED. SPOKE TOO SOON.
Another Holocene Human
@Matt McIrvin: What do you mean by presentism?
I was talking to a guy running for county commission yesterday and he referred to dropping graduation rates. Uh, where? They’re way up since I was in high school. People are so convinced everything is going to hell they don’t even check and see if it’s actually the case.
Matt McIrvin
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
The thing that still steams me about that is that, on paper, Uma Thurman as Emma Peel seems like a great idea! But she couldn’t even save it.
Another Holocene Human
@Matt McIrvin: ScarJo as Black Widow reminds me of Emma Peel a lot. (Wrong Avengers, lol.)
Matt McIrvin
@Another Holocene Human: Generally assuming that things that happened recently are the best or worst or most unusual, intense and startling ever.
Luthe
@Another Holocene Human: Proof we are not living in the future: our fleshy meat suits are not fully customizable. Current after-market mods just do not cut it.
Another Holocene Human
@Matt McIrvin: Ah. Something we’re all prey to, sometimes.
Another Holocene Human
@Luthe: I was promised lab grown genitals from stem cells, dammit!
Luthe
@Another Holocene Human: Unfortunately, we have not caught up to Beta Colony in that regard.
Another Holocene Human
@Luthe: I love those books too!!!
Betty Cracker
@Barb2: What part of “they hate your fucking guts” does Jenner not understand?
Luthe
@Another Holocene Human: I need to work on the latest two. I started on Ivan’s book, but the library doesn’t have it and the bookstore is a hike.
(I wanted to be Bel for a while until I realized I didn’t want two sets of parts, but instead to jettison the gender binary completely.)
Luthe
@Betty Cracker: The part where wealth and privilege bypass any hatred, so long as you stay in the bubble.
Iowa Old Lady
@Another Holocene Human: No offense meant. It was just not what I expected to read first thing in the morning.
laura
@Gin & Tonic: please consider a visit -at night- to the Neon Museum. It’s out past the Freemont Street district and we’ll worth the time and inconvenience.
Shell
That Momma Mountain Lion is just gorgeous. Such eyes, Did she do a beat-down on that camera?
Miss Bianca
@Fair Economist: Loved “American Flagg”. But yeah…don’t want to live in that society, for sure!
bob smetters
@redshirt: Carol Marin: Among the things you’ve said — and some of them are fairly explosive: “We may have to shed blood to preserve our freedoms. Our side doesn’t understand that we are at war. We need a movement in this state that will scare Republicans and Democrats.” What are you saying?
Joe Walsh: We are about $100 trillion in debt when you add up our Medicare and Social Security liabilities. There will be no government for our kids and our grandkids. This is a serious time. My side — the side that believes in freedom and limited government; the Republican Party — doesn’t sufficiently see that we’re at war. Thomas Jefferson –-again not that long ago, Carol — said that the tree of liberty may need to be fertilized with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Carol Marin: one really fast question with a fast answer. Would you leave the Republican Party to run as an independent?
Joe Walsh: Gosh no and I hope not
Carolyn Kay
One of the Chicago protests passed right by our building. There were as many police as marchers. Police in police cars, police on motorcycles, police on motor tricycles, police on Segues, police on bicycles, all with flashing lights.
But I got the impression they were there to protect the marchers, not to harass them.
Maybe it’s bias on my part, but that’s what it looked like to me.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Gin & Tonic:
Get off the Strip! There are great restaurants all over. Lotus of Siam is an incredible Thai place.
Or go take a walk (or drive) in Red Rock Canyon.
Barb2
@Betty Cracker:
75% of women hate Trump. Trump has a track record of being mean to women – he thinks women who have had abortions should be punished. He took that back only because of the negative response.
Then we have another reality TV person telling women to trust Trump. Is she a spokesperson for Trump? Is there any proof of Jenner’s claims – or merely the wishful thinking of a self centered person? Then there’s the horrible discrimination that non traditional people have to suffer. The suicide rate for teens with non traditional sexual identity is shocking. The true numbers of suicides in unknown because the real reason is too often hidden by parents. Trans kids are especially vulnerable.
Catlin Jenner lives in a protected bubble. She has enough money and frame to insulate herself. She is safe and she is self centered. Trump doesn’t care about the vulnerable ones.
Jenner is self centered. She cannot make promises about what GOP and religious nuts will or won’t do. No women will not be safe.
GOP fellas do a lot of mansplaing for us poor dumb women. Jenner is playing that old game. She needs to really listen to her inner woman. 75% of women can’t be wrong – our gut reaction to Trump is yuck. She has other reasons to vote Trump – good for women is not one.
I don’t care one way or the other about this rich person transition to female. But 75% of us women hate Trump’s fucking guts. We women make up our own minds. Hopefully most people see Jenner as a has been windbag.
Why are we fighting the old battles?
Adam L Silverman
@Another Holocene Human: I honestly don’t know. You can’t really stop someone from showing up. The most you could probably do is identify those folks to law enforcement and the media, make it clear they’re not with you, and then do your thing. Not sure it would do any good.
Barb2
@Another Holocene Human:
In Europe men and women share the same bathrooms – like hotels and other public places. There are stalls – no big deal. The religious right just pick an emotional trigger and hurts people. Bathrooms was one of the issues the Mormon church used to kill the ERA. So the fucking haters aren’t even original with their scare tactics.
I’m sorry that you have been harassed by the sky god worshippers. Makes me angry. I caught some guys at the marina making fun of a guy couple. They won’t do that again.
Jenner mansplains – but now it looks funny coming from her. I expect that Bruce Jenner did that a lot back in her former life.
The Lodger
@Another Holocene Human: Worst restaurant ever.
James E Powell
@Another Holocene Human:
I just wanted to get my hair back
J R in WV
@Major Major Major Major:
I picked up on Sci-Fi in Junior High, where the library had Heinlein novels, his books intended for younger readers. Never let it go. And where we live today is so close to being in a S-F world, my career was building invisible data structures for scientists to use.
Amazing!
TriassicSands
@Barb2:
The number should be closer to 100% and that same number should apply to men.
I don’t think of Trump as a misogynist in the usual sense of the word. He has a record of selecting and relying on women to fill important positions in his businesses. However, he doesn’t care about anyone but himself and his lack of character allows him to “be mean” to anyone who has displeased him in any way.
If a woman makes him angry, he strikes out using hateful language one expects of a misogynist. However, he does the same thing with men. Trump is emotionally still an adolescent (at best) He’ll do the same thing to anyone who has “crossed” him in any way. He’s a name-caller and it doesn’t matter to him what larger group a person may fit into.
One of the anecdotes that surfaced about Trump is his hurtful comment to Barbara Res (chosen by Trump to run Trump Tower) about her weight. When he saw that she had gained some weight, he made a rude and insensitive remark about her “liking her chocolates,” or words to that effect. Would he only do that to a woman? Uh uh. He has done the same thing with Chris Christie.
I believe that Trump is mentally ill. He could keep a team of psychiatrists busy for decades. Everyone is a potential target for his mean, insensitive, hurtful, racist, or sexist comments.
TriassicSands
@burnspbesq:
Your point is well-taken.
How do we know if people are affiliated? I guess in the traditional way: we expect those who act on behalf of violent groups to self-identify themselves as representing their group — al Qaeda, ISIL, etc. It seems that people want others to know for whom they are acting. Apparently, most violent people whose motives are social and political want to receive credit for their handiwork. Historically, it seems that perpetrators of violence want others to know for whom they are acting.
Of course, nothing will make any difference to despicable cretins like the Lt. Governor of Texas. People like Dan Patrick don’t care about facts or truth. They will defend the police, no matter how egregious police behavior is, and condemn protest groups like BLM, no matter how exemplary their conduct is.
BLM may need to rethink their identity and organization, and make an effort to formalize their organization to allow spokespeople to speak for the group. Absent that, common sense will have to do. It makes no sense for a group like BLM to advocate, or worse carry out, the murders of police officers. Given the already widespread, grim mismatch between perceptions of the value of a police officer’s life and the life of an African American — especially when the African Americans are ordinary citizens, often with less that perfect criminal backgrounds — many Americans will blame BLM no matter what they do or say. It’s important for high government officials — the president and governors of the states in which police unnecessarily kill members of the community, for example — to unequivocally condemn the mindless killing of African Americans and to support the peaceful goals of BLM and other such groups.
J R in WV
@Adam L Silverman:
OOoh~!! I guess it’s better than a .308 or .45, but — liquid chemical pepper concentrate? Jesu!
Like you wouldn’t be blind from that, and then they expect you to ba able to follow directions?
Oh yeah, I’ll be lying there in a fetal position crying because I’m blind and in agony. Oh, yes officer, lets you be putting my hands behind my back, where my replacement shoulders don’t want them to go anyway, and dragging me by those surgically repaired shoulders to a squad car.
This’ll work out so well for all of us. Those poor folks…
Carolyn Kay
@Barb2: “In Europe men and women share the same bathrooms”
In Asia, too. These laws aren’t about privacy. They’re about hatred. And punishment.