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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2020 / Republicans Take Note- There is Electoral Reward in Telling Trump to Go Fuck Himself

Republicans Take Note- There is Electoral Reward in Telling Trump to Go Fuck Himself

by John Cole|  November 6, 20199:16 am| 95 Comments

This post is in: Election 2020

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Last night’s electoral pain was just a nice little start for Republicans, but they might start moving away from the Trump/Pence crime syndicate with events like this:

The woman who lost her job after giving Donald Trump’s motorcade the middle finger in 2017 won a local government seat in Virginia in one of several major progressive wins for the state in the Tuesday elections.

Virginia also elected its first Muslim state senator and Democrats took control of both the state senate and house for the first time in more than two decades.

The viral photo of Juli Briskman giving the middle finger to Trump’s motorcade while riding a bike was a key part of her campaign to be on the county board of supervisors in the Virginia county that includes the Trump National Golf Club. Briskman will represent her district in Loudoun county, near Washington DC, after defeating the incumbent Republican.

Briskman lost her job as a government contractor after the photo went viral in 2017. She filed a wrongful-termination lawsuit, which was dismissed, but she successfully sued for severance.

There is electoral reward in literally telling giving Trump the middle finger. Now I’m not Jonathan Chait, but that’s something I think Democrats should think about, too.

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  1. 1.

    SFAW

    November 6, 2019 at 9:20 am

    Now I’m not Jonathan Chait

    Are we supposed to feel bad that you’re not? ‘Cause I’m not feeling it.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    November 6, 2019 at 9:21 am

    I should take a dump on Trump’s lawn.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    November 6, 2019 at 9:21 am

    @SFAW:

    Same initials though.

  4. 4.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 6, 2019 at 9:27 am

    And ignore the people who say not to get too happy about this election result. Enjoy good things, life is too short.— Oliver Willis (@owillis) November 6, 2019

  5. 5.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2019 at 9:34 am

    @Patricia Kayden: Perfectly possible to be happy without being complacent.

  6. 6.

    BlueDWarrior

    November 6, 2019 at 9:34 am

    I mean this much should be obvious. There is about 20%, give or take, of Republicans throw up a little in their mouths every time they see “Donald Trump (R)” on the TV. The problem is that that the whole Republican asylum is being run by the inmates that make up the fever swamps of the internet, talk radio, and exurban diners across our fair land.

    And while I hear about how distasteful the more wealthy Republicans, who make up a fair chunk of that 20% find all of this, they just have to realize: this is the end state of their little game. They have turned 30-40% of the voting public into rabid dogs over them not wanting pay taxes; so now you have them suffering the painful cognitive dissonance of not wanting the Government to run Medicare, which is a government program.

    The government is to them a literal bogeyman, that represents everything bad in their life, and now you can’t talk to these people coherently because all you get is a garbled mess because you twisted their heads around too much.

    They crossed the line years ago, when they let McConnell basically destroy the Senate, now there is no compunction among the left to give quarter in the quest to rectify this problem. And they know it… and the more the Boomers come off the stage and the late Xs to Ys come onto it, the worse their position gets.

    Something about short term quarterly thinking, I would suspect…

  7. 7.

    Cacti

    November 6, 2019 at 9:34 am

    There is also electoral reward in defending the Affordable Care Act.

    Repeal and replace Dems, please take note.

  8. 8.

    Catherine D.

    November 6, 2019 at 9:47 am

    I heard back from my county legislator about the crappy stylus for signing the election e-book, and she contacted the election commissioners. She had also heard from other people who had been asked for a driver’s license. Nice to know I wasn’t the only one annoyed by that!

  9. 9.

    WereBear

    November 6, 2019 at 9:51 am

    @Patricia Kayden: I am dang happy about this election result.

  10. 10.

    WereBear

    November 6, 2019 at 9:53 am

    @BlueDWarrior: Something about short term quarterly thinking, I would suspect…

    After all this, to be brought down by Masters of Business Administration from elite colleges who are too stupid to be honest or ethical.

  11. 11.

    zhena gogolia

    November 6, 2019 at 9:57 am

    I’m happy about these results, and also our local Dem sweep in my little town. A repulsive Repug lost. The nail in his coffin was his answer on climate change at a public forum, where he said the people “hawking” it fly around in private planes and live in huge mansions. He stopped just short of “Al Gore is fat,” but he lost anyway.

  12. 12.

    patrick II

    November 6, 2019 at 10:01 am

    My own sense is that, if they dump Trump, the repubs might be in trouble for one election — maybe. But they are infinitely trainable and after any Trump disappoinment (impeachment?) they would return to the republican party shortly. Where else have they got to go? I remember Bush screwing up a war, and economy, a flood, and the repubs lost one election badly — and two years later, in 2010, ther was a landslide repubs, and congress has been pretty much theirs since.
    Where else can the racists, evangelicals, and plutocrats all get together?

  13. 13.

    The Moar You Know

    November 6, 2019 at 10:03 am

    Again:

    Since Trump took office, Democrats have flipped governorships in: Kansas, Nevada, New Mexico, New Jersey, Illinois, Maine, Wisconsin, Michigan, and now, Kentucky.

    Governors become presidents. Glad to see we’re finally starting to “rebuild the bench”, to use an athletic term. The party hasn’t been doing that since Howard Dean’s “50 state strategy”, and it has shown. Glad to see us moving in the right direction again.

  14. 14.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    November 6, 2019 at 10:04 am

    As I soak up the schadenfreude from all over this morning, I am really enjoying how often I encounter the word “historic” or the phrase “first time in history” for Democratic wins.

    Our county council is now 5-0 Democrat. For generations it has been 5-0 Republican, the first Democrats being elected in 2017. Just having a Democratic majority would be the first time in history. Having no Republicans at all in this county is earth-shattering.

    The new DA is a Democrat. First in history.

    Four judges were being elected to the Court of Common Pleas (whatever that is). The Democrats won all four. First Democrats in history. First African-American judge in county history. First Muslim judge in county history.

    And here are some results from Upper Darby, a neighborhood which is close-in to Philly (it contains one of the major Philly transportation hubs).

    Democrat Barbarann Keffer … becomes just the second woman to be elected mayor of Upper Darby.
    … “I’m overwhelmed. It was a hard race to run against someone who has been in office for 30 years and part of a dynasty, the machine,” said Keffer. “But I’m part of a team that has worked tremendously hard in an organized way to reach our voters to convince them that we’re the team to turn that around.”

    Keffer was first elected to township council in an at-large race in 2013 and was re-elected to the same position in 2017. She ran a campaign focused on transparency within the government after decades of Republican rule which she made headway on as a council member with the publication of council meeting agendas and minutes. Establishing an open and fair bidding process for high-profile contract work was another key factor in her campaign.

    Council minutes weren’t published! I remember when David Landau led what seemed to be a promising slate of candidates for county council some years ago (unsuccessfully — they all lost) one of the things he was talking about was that we have no freaking idea where our county tax dollars go. It doesn’t go into services. Among other things, we don’t have a health department, another of his platforms.

    So at the local level there are lots of things on the ballot besides Trump, real reforms we might just start seeing.

  15. 15.

    Raoul

    November 6, 2019 at 10:06 am

    I do think the VA election will cause ripples, at least among the (likely dwindling) subset of GOP politicians who aren’t ‘unskew’ nut jobs and Fox echo chamber denizens.

    I think the KY result is a bit more complex, but it probably boils down to: Trump will do fine in KY in 2020. Mitch will have a tough fight, but he’s not really on the ropes, just more vulnerable than any recent election. The GOP swept the other statewide offices last night.

    But what the Bevins / Beshear vote points to is a lot of GOP vulnerability in purple states. Cory Gardner is toast. Susan Collins probably too. Decent House pickups are looking reasonable. Yes, we’ll have to work for all that. It isn’t a gimme. But the path looks inviting.

    Repubs will probably just keep their heads in the sand, as that is what dumb ass cowards do.

  16. 16.

    Miss Bianca

    November 6, 2019 at 10:06 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Wow, well, maybe our Republicans in office aren’t as bad as yours! No, they have no idea how to run their commissioner’s meetings, but at least they publish agendas and minutes!

  17. 17.

    rikyrah

    November 6, 2019 at 10:08 am

    Someone on another blog has made this point about Virginia:

    Miranda
    It was black people that held steady in Virginia and didn’t allow Ralph Northam or Justin Fairfax to get pushed out…and now with a Dem majority in both houses, can enact and protect legislation that helps all Virginians.

    Yep Yep Yep

  18. 18.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    November 6, 2019 at 10:08 am

    For a little extra topping of schadenfreude, this morning over breakfast we watched Rachel’s coverage of the KY governor’s race from last night. I normally mute T when he comes on screen, but it was nice to hear him declare just how terrible a defeat it would be for him personally if Bevin lost… and then look at the results where Bevin loses.

    Yummy!

  19. 19.

    Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)

    November 6, 2019 at 10:12 am

    In the long haul, I have a tough time seeing how Republicans aren’t fucked. This shit isn’t going to wash off them any time soon. They’ve weathered bad presidents before, but nobody like this, nobody who so openly gets off on hurting other people. On top of that is the looming loss of white majority in America, and I don’t see how they end up as anything other than a kind of rump party, one that can win in the deep south, small plains states and the mountain west, but nowhere else.

    Of course, what the fuck do I know? They came back from Bush the fucking Younger after all. But still, the tide is running against them, bigly. That gives me hope.

  20. 20.

    patrick II

    November 6, 2019 at 10:12 am

    I live in Virginia Beach, VA. Yesterday when I went to vote there were, as usual, people standing in front of the building with flyers. One guy had a flyer put out the the Virginia Beach Teachers association recommending which school board members to vote for. That is more difficult to know if you haven’t done any homework, since there is no R or D behind their name. Anyhow I took the list; it advised for candidates some of whom were not up for the school board at all, but other offices that did have and R or D behind their name. Guess what, those names were all republicans. It turns out it wasn’t the teachers association at all, but some republican lady on the school board had used their name to put out a list of conservatives or republicans to vote for under a false flag. There is no telling how many votes she corralled by people thinking they were voting for candidates approved by the Teachers association. I am sure the school board lady has a future in the republican party. She was interviewed on TV and said the election board said it was ok, so everything was ok, just a little misreprestation of facts. I think every republican must pass a reverse eithics test before they can enter the party, even on down to the school board level.

  21. 21.

    Barbara

    November 6, 2019 at 10:12 am

    @patrick II: I don’t disagree, but demographics are not on their side and eventually the risk/reward calculus for cultivating hysterical and mean nativism will tip against them. But yes, in the mean time we (or I) live in a state of dread. Based on reviews of demographic voting patterns, the net cause of this seesaw effect is that the difference in voting patterns based on age (over 50 versus under 35) is at an all time high. Younger people have always voted less in mid-term elections, but the difference between how they voted versus older voters was not nearly as great. Until the generation of people who were between the ages of 20 and 35 at the time Reagan was elected (roughly) stops being a dominant force, we are likely going to continue to risk this mid-term effect.

  22. 22.

    Raoul

    November 6, 2019 at 10:14 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Oh, the backspin on that since the race was called has been delicious. Trump claiming that he bumped Bevins 15 points. No, more than 15 points! Almost 20 points! in a cascade of tweets.

    The race was of course polling within 1% of each other. But all mighty OZ did his two hours hate in an arena the night before the elex and it almost saved the day!

    It is to laugh.

  23. 23.

    Barbara

    November 6, 2019 at 10:15 am

    @patrick II: Virginia Beach yielded some results I found surprising until I remembered the mass shooting that occurred there within the last year. When that region is un-gerrymandered, it promises to yield even more Democratic office holders. Charlottesville and Albemarle County, as well, might finally be “undiluted” as a voting force in Virginia.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    November 6, 2019 at 10:21 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good point.

  25. 25.

    SuzieC

    November 6, 2019 at 10:21 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    I think the GOP wipeout in the Philly suburbs could prove to be one of the night’s most significant developments. Historic, even. Can you tell us more? I was shut out after reading 3 articles in the Inquirer.

  26. 26.

    Betsy

    November 6, 2019 at 10:22 am

    Off-topic, but I won election to a city council seat last night. I was one person who won (with several others) in an overall strong progressive majority in a little blue town in the middle of Trump country.

    (ETA:Actually, it may not even be “Trump country” much longer. Farm tariffs taking their toll. And other things)

  27. 27.

    rikyrah

    November 6, 2019 at 10:22 am

    The thing is…Bevin didn’t lie to them. He told them that he was gonna take away their Obamacare. If they were too phucking stupid to not know that Kynect WAS Obamacare…that’s not on him, that’s on them. Which is why I had absolutely no sympathy for them when he did EXACTLY what he told them he would do.

  28. 28.

    Betsy

    November 6, 2019 at 10:23 am

    Actually, it may not even be “Trump country” much longer. Farm tariffs taking their toll

  29. 29.

    Baud

    November 6, 2019 at 10:24 am

    @Betsy:

    Congrats! I hope I can count on your endorsement.

  30. 30.

    zhena gogolia

    November 6, 2019 at 10:24 am

    @Betsy:

    Congratulations!

  31. 31.

    Barbara

    November 6, 2019 at 10:25 am

    @rikyrah: I discussed this whole Northam mess with my SO, who grew up not very far from where Northam did. He was actually pretty shocked at the picture of two people in blackface/Klan garb in Northam’s yearbook. He said that he knew what those things were when he was growing up, but people in his social strata where he grew up (e.g., educated, professional) did not do those things. However, in talking to his sister, she said that the uptake or rejection of the Klan could be very localized, in that some communities for reasons that might not be easily grasped loathed the more lurid aspects of racism, e.g. Klan activities, and others just took them in stride. So, for instance, if a prominent person in your county was vocally against the Klan, it might stay away, and vice versa, would migrate to where it was more clearly accepted.

    One thing we all agreed on was that while African Americans were pissed and disappointed at the Northam/Herring association with blackface/Klan symbolism, what distinguished them from many white Democrats is that they were not nearly as shocked — because they knew how bad racism actually was in the South, and a much higher proportion of African American voters in Virginia are actually from Virginia than whites who are voting for Democrats. They. Know. And, by and large, we don’t. And yes, I would say that African Americans had a much more pragmatic response, which I totally agreed with. The person who would have benefited from getting rid of Northam and company would have gleefully taken us right back to that place that Northam came from! No thanks.

  32. 32.

    rikyrah

    November 6, 2019 at 10:25 am

    140,000
    ONE HUNDRED FORTY THOUSAND.

    That is the number of people who have been denied the franchise due to felony convictions that the Governor-Elect of Kentucky says that he will restore their voting rights.

    ELECTIONS.HAVE.CONSEQUENCES.

    YESSSSS

  33. 33.

    lee

    November 6, 2019 at 10:26 am

    @Betsy: Awesome!!!!!

  34. 34.

    Barbara

    November 6, 2019 at 10:26 am

    @Betsy: Woo hoo! Good for you!

  35. 35.

    Kent

    November 6, 2019 at 10:29 am

    @Barbara:

    @patrick II: I don’t disagree, but demographics are not on their side and eventually the risk/reward calculus for cultivating hysterical and mean nativism will tip against them.

    Biggest long-term strategic mistake the GOP has made was to follow Trump into their nativist hellscape. Bush was smart enough to know that the GOP needed the Hispanic vote if it was going to survive long-term. At least a part of it. Trump has shit on that bed for a generation or more. I’m married to a Latina so half my family is Hispanic and my kids are dual citizens. Most of my inlaws are relatively conservative and would be natural fits for the GOP of say Eisenhower. They despise Trump with the heat of 1000 suns.

  36. 36.

    Kent

    November 6, 2019 at 10:31 am

    @rikyrah:

    140,000
    ONE HUNDRED FORTY THOUSAND.

    That is the number of people who have been denied the franchise due to felony convictions that the Governor-Elect of Kentucky says that he will restore their voting rights.

    ELECTIONS.HAVE.CONSEQUENCES.

    YESSSSS

    Don’t count your votes before they hatch though. A shitload of those are white hillbilly meth heads. Yes, it is a good thing but they aren’t necessarily Dem votes.

  37. 37.

    lee

    November 6, 2019 at 10:31 am

    I saw a link on CNN something like ‘Why Mitch McConnell is smiling this morning’. I could not bring myself to click on it.

  38. 38.

    patrick II

    November 6, 2019 at 10:33 am

    @rikyrah:

    They thought he was only going to take medical care away for black people. It turned out some white people were on Obamacare too.

  39. 39.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2019 at 10:34 am

    @Baud: Have we ever seen the two of them together? Why would he even bring this up? I can’t be alone in calling shenanigans.

  40. 40.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2019 at 10:34 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    So at the local level there are lots of things on the ballot besides Trump, real reforms we might just start seeing.

    And organizing at the local level is also important as a way of building the structures that will help Democrats win at higher levels in the future. The Republicans started to turn their fortunes around back in the 1970s by focusing on local elections; the Democrats need to do the same thing today.

  41. 41.

    hueyplong

    November 6, 2019 at 10:34 am

    @Raoul: Well, see, Bevin came up to Trump with tears in his eyes and said, “Sir, if you could only help me with my 21 point deficit in cobalt blue Kentucky…” His sobs made the rest inaudible.

    The President, never one to appear somewhere for mere cosmetic effect, stormed into the heart of liberal Appalachia and made up 20 points in one night, selflessly giving up his evening of Hannity watching to do battle with the forces of socialism.

    Alas, it wasn’t quite enough. But President Trump’s self-sacrifice will be remembered as long as a single coal company remains outside chapter 11. In other words, for days.

  42. 42.

    rikyrah

    November 6, 2019 at 10:35 am

    @Betsy:

    CONGRATULATIONS!!!

  43. 43.

    patrick II

    November 6, 2019 at 10:37 am

    @Betsy:

    More congratulations! Work for the people!

  44. 44.

    rikyrah

    November 6, 2019 at 10:37 am

    @Kent:

    Don’t count your votes before they hatch though. A shitload of those are white hillbilly meth heads. Yes, it is a good thing but they aren’t necessarily Dem votes.

    I know..but, a lot of them are African -American.

  45. 45.

    JAFD

    November 6, 2019 at 10:39 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: As a former resident of Upper Darby (note: not to be confused with Abu Dhabi) I rejoyce with you !

  46. 46.

    Ruckus

    November 6, 2019 at 10:40 am

    @BlueDWarrior:

    Something about short term quarterly thinking, I would suspect…

    I suspect that you are correct.
    Short term totally selfish thinking can get you profits. But it almost always destroys a lot in the process. It also leads to the idiotic idea that “We fixed whatever – more profit.” Except it’s never actually fixed, it’s just pushed out farther and builds to be a bigger and bigger issue. But profit has been made so all is dandy. The point of a business is to do something/make something, and that something is not to make money. Money is the side effect of doing that something well. Actual quality does matter.

  47. 47.

    Barbara

    November 6, 2019 at 10:41 am

    @Kent: The generational trends are obvious even with Hispanic voters. Of course, alienating older Hispanic voters is the byproduct of cultivating someone who so obviously hates non-English speaking citizens the way Trump does, but they are not nearly as numerous as their native born children are, and that’s where the nativism is really going to fail as an electoral strategy.

  48. 48.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2019 at 10:42 am

    @Barbara:

    He said that he knew what those things were when he was growing up, but people in his social strata where he grew up (e.g., educated, professional) did not do those things.

    No, of course not, they just go to KA parties in Confederate uniforms and Scarlett O’Hara dresses.

  49. 49.

    GideonAB

    November 6, 2019 at 10:44 am

    I agree. I am hearing people say “we are on course
    for 2020 win” but the issues will be different then.
    MFA could be spun as a tax increase. Might this cause voters
    to stay home?

  50. 50.

    Barbara

    November 6, 2019 at 10:46 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I agree that Confederate symbolism was more accepted by more people at higher levels of education. There were outlier places, and his county might have been one of them for rather complex reasons. For one thing, it had an influx of people from other states in the 20s and 30s who were not steeped in lost cause mythology.

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2019 at 10:47 am

    @GideonAB: How about we have a day to be happy? Everyone can start panicking again tomorrow. Okay?

  52. 52.

    Elizabelle

    November 6, 2019 at 10:50 am

    @Betsy: Yea Betsy! It is an honor to be a public servant. Good for you for your courage to run, and to do the work, for your community.

  53. 53.

    redoubtagain

    November 6, 2019 at 10:58 am

    @Kent: Yeah this.
    Friends of ours are refugees from Castro’s Cuba; he’s a veteran/retired Fed; she’s a government contractor. They should naturally be GOP voters. And they loathe Trump. And so do their children, and their grandchildren. Three generations gone from the GOP, ’cause of Trump.

  54. 54.

    Ksmiami

    November 6, 2019 at 10:58 am

    @patrick II: next time you see that – punch her- it’s the only thing Republicans understand

  55. 55.

    Miss Bianca

    November 6, 2019 at 11:01 am

    @Betsy: Really? WOOT! Congratulations!

  56. 56.

    Barbara

    November 6, 2019 at 11:09 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: P.S. That was kind of my SO’s point. This is the kind of flagrant racism that he was not used to seeing. He would not argue that lack of Klan and blackface activity meant racism didn’t exist.

  57. 57.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2019 at 11:11 am

    @GideonAB:
    Your concern is noted.

  58. 58.

    Brachiator

    November 6, 2019 at 11:16 am

    @hueyplong:

    Well, see, Bevin came up to Trump with tears in his eyes and said, “Sir, if you could only help me with my 21 point deficit in cobalt blue Kentucky…” His sobs made the rest inaudible….

    Alas, it wasn’t quite enough. But President Trump’s self-sacrifice will be remembered as long as a single coal company remains outside chapter 11. In other words, for days.

    Very droll!

  59. 59.

    errg

    November 6, 2019 at 11:20 am

    @Betsy:

    Yay for you! Congratulations!

  60. 60.

    Brachiator

    November 6, 2019 at 11:21 am

    @Betsy:

    Off-topic, but I won election to a city council seat last night. I was one person who won (with several others) in an overall strong progressive majority in a little blue town in the middle of Trump country.

    Congratulations!

  61. 61.

    VeniceRiley

    November 6, 2019 at 11:23 am

    @Betsy: Awesome, Betsy. Thanks for running and serving.

  62. 62.

    Bishop Bag

    November 6, 2019 at 11:26 am

    Hey Gang!!! I got my Twitter Account Blocked by Chuck Todd!!!! He tweeted yesterday:
    “If the Republicans sweep these 3 red-state gubernatorial races … I think you’re going to have nothing but impeachment to thank,”
    @chucktodd
    says on #MTPDaily.
    I replied (going to the way back Machine)
    ‘@MeetThePress @chucktodd ‘@chucktodd, you ignorant slut! Who’d you have to sleep with anyway to get this job?’ Dan Ackroyd…Saturday Night Live 1077.
    I finally made the Big Time!!!! Blocked by Chuck Todd!!! Yay!!!

  63. 63.

    Hoodie

    November 6, 2019 at 11:46 am

    @Barbara: Trump took Prop 187 and applied it on a national scale. It will likely have results similar to those that followed Prop 187 in California.

    Because of the added factor of demographics and the nature of Trump’s appeal, chances for GOP recovery after Trump are probably a lot lower in comparison to the relatively quick recovery they experienced after Bush. The GOP was able to flush Iraq down the memory hole because there was a lot of Dem participation (or at least acquiescence) in that fiasco, and because the Iraq fiasco didn’t target particular groups of voters such that those voters would be categorically opposed to Republicans for a generation or two. Recovering from Trump really requires a signficant rebranding effort, along with screwups by whatever Dem administration follows Trump that would cause the Dem base to sit on their hands. That might take a while.

  64. 64.

    joel hanes

    November 6, 2019 at 11:47 am

    @BlueDWarrior:

    They crossed the line years ago, when they let McConnell basically destroy the Senate

    They crossed the line many years before that, when Reagan told them that their own government was their enemy, and they believed him; that the fortunate make their own success and owe no moral consideration to the less-fortunate, and they joyfully adopted this anti-ethics.

    But really, the die was cast in 1979, when Republican operative and bagman Paul Weyrich purchased the soul of the evangelical movement by founding the Moral Majority with Jerry Falwell, and the two settled on opposition to abortion as the metal that could be forged and sharpened into the culture-war wedge that could irrevocably split evangelicals off the Democratic Party.

  65. 65.

    frosty

    November 6, 2019 at 11:52 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: My borough just elected a mayor and slate of council members who ran on transparency. Same issue: no agendas, no minutes, nobody knew what they were doing until they hit the third rail of withdrawing from the regional police agency.

    It’s a little different in that the deciding vote was in the Republican primary and that’s when the incumbents were pushed out. They ran on both tickets yesterday so I could vote for them without holding my nose.

  66. 66.

    Rand Careaga

    November 6, 2019 at 11:54 am

    @Bishop Bag:

    I finally made the Big Time!!!! Blocked by Chuck Todd!!! Yay!!!

    I don’t want to harsh your mellow, but I’m inclined to think it likelier that you were blocked by Chuck Todd’s intern.

  67. 67.

    Ian G.

    November 6, 2019 at 11:57 am

    Voting last night for various local offices here in Nassau County (not sure why receiver of taxes is an elected position, but whatever), I voted for the nice Democrat Judi Bosworth for Town of North Hempstead supervisor. As we’re leaving the polling place, my wife tells me that she went to school with Bosworth’s GOP challenger, David Redmond, and that he not only has a photo of himself and Newt Gingrich as his Facebook profile and that he would troll my wife over her political views on Facebook.

    So, while my inner volcanic temper child wanted to message him on Facebook telling him to eat my shit, my calm adult rational side will take pleasure in noting his political career is DOA as he lost to Bosworth by 20 points.

    Nassau County was once a GOP stronghold, and it’s shifted massively blue over the last few elections.

  68. 68.

    joel hanes

    November 6, 2019 at 11:57 am

    @Kent:

    Because of racial disparities in law enforcement and court outcomes, Kentucky’s disenfranchised ex-felons are disproportionately black. I believe the numbers are something like this: that 140,000 votes represents about 5% of Kentucky’s electorate, but comprises about 20% of adult black men.

  69. 69.

    Kent

    November 6, 2019 at 11:58 am

    @redoubtagain:

    @Kent: Yeah this.
    Friends of ours are refugees from Castro’s Cuba; he’s a veteran/retired Fed; she’s a government contractor. They should naturally be GOP voters. And they loathe Trump. And so do their children, and their grandchildren. Three generations gone from the GOP, ’cause of Trump.

    My in-laws are mostly wealthy white Hispanics from South America. Doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. They are kind of racist honestly, and pretty natural fits with the old GOP. They absolutely cannot stand Trump and all the MAGA bullshit and the wall and anti-immigrant stuff. My brother-in-law who is an investment banker was just visiting and he gets pissed as hell with all the hassles he now faces when he flies back and forth between the US, Chile, and France (he has a very high level position with a BNP-Paribas). If ever there was a poster child for the old moneyed GOP it would be him. But he absolutely cannot stand Trump and the disaster he is making with international business. If the GOP is losing people like him the only thing they will have left are the drooling Evangelicals.

  70. 70.

    Kent

    November 6, 2019 at 12:07 pm

    @joel hanes: I stand corrected. Somehow I got the impression that they were majority white and mostly drug offenders due to the meth and opioid epidemics. Perhaps both statements are true? They are disproportionately black but still majority white?

  71. 71.

    Jeffro

    November 6, 2019 at 12:12 pm

    I wasn’t able to find a Briskman t-shirt last night but man I want one! Maybe eBay?

  72. 72.

    Jeffro

    November 6, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    Btw over on Fox News dot com, it’s as if last night’s election never happened…it’s all “Mormon family murdered in Mexico”, Epstein conspiracy theories, and a mug shot of an African American male who did something somewhere.

    You know what, Fox? Just keep your viewers in their bubbles. It’s working out really well for us Dems, electorally speaking.

  73. 73.

    laura

    November 6, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    Feels pretty darn good to be a decent hoomin Democrat today, so I sent Kamala for the people as much cash as I could spare.
    I feel good as hell as the beautiful Lizzo would say.
    youtu.be/vPzDTfIb0DU

  74. 74.

    Jay

    November 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm

    lmao Trump is feverishly retweeting multiple tweets about a small Florida county denying a library a New York Times subscription, because he'll take whatever the hell "win" he can get tonight pic.twitter.com/JTTizH0Omj— Avi Bueno (@Avi_Bueno) November 6, 2019

  75. 75.

    mrmoshpotato

    November 6, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    @patrick II:

    But they are infinitely trainable and after any Trump disappoinment (impeachment?) they would return to the republican party shortly.

    Driftglass’s take on this is that Republicans are “reprogrammable meatbags.” I share his sentiment.

  76. 76.

    Emerald

    November 6, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    @Bishop Bag:

    Who’d you have to sleep with anyway to get this job?’

    You might have hit a nerve there.

  77. 77.

    Jay

    November 6, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    @Kent:

    They are disproportionately black but still majority white?”

    35% of the ex-con/prison population is POC and Indiginous despite being only 7.04% of the State’s population.

  78. 78.

    Jay

    November 6, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    This comes just one day after the head of Russia’s FSB announced that the US & Russia were resuming cooperation on cybersecurity matters, & just weeks after the WH cybersecurity chief quit over practices he called “absurd”, including the systematic purging of cybersecurity staff. t.co/A7KERZu62t— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) November 5, 2019

  79. 79.

    joel hanes

    November 6, 2019 at 12:49 pm

    @Kent:

    Perhaps both statements are true?

    I have not seen the particular numbers that would corroborate this.
    But as Kentucky is 87% “white”, that is completely possible.

  80. 80.

    SCOTT BREWER

    November 6, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    Attempted voter suppression of college student in Bridgeport (Connecticut) – connecticut.news12.com/story/41277164/sacred-heart-students-claim-they-were-harassed-by-poll-workers

    College students at Sacred Heart had registered to be able to vote in this weeks election because of a new city ordinance limiting the number of people who could share a rented house. When they went to vote they were told they could not vote without a CT drivers license. They were also subjected to snotty comments by poll workers:

    “There are some students that were asked for a Connecticut license or else they couldn’t vote,” said student Olivia Chaponis. “I was also told that some of the workers just were saying to us students, ‘Why are you here? Like, shouldn’t you be in class right now? Like, you’re not supposed to be here, you’re not in our community.'”

  81. 81.

    neldob

    November 6, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    Will Republicans become Democrats? Republicans in govt who have stood remotely close to the master deplorable and his right wing extremists and conspiracy theorists should be shamed for the rest of their lives. Fascists most of them and liars the lot. Time for a cup of tea.

  82. 82.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    @Baud:

    I should take a dump on Trump’s lawn.

    That’s the Baud! we all know and love tolerate!

  83. 83.

    206inKY

    November 6, 2019 at 1:07 pm

    @Raoul: Yes, Trump will be fine, but McConnell is DEFINITELY on the ropes. The ground game that pulled off this election is not going anywhere. The office in my red-leaning district was run by young people who are in it for the long haul.

    I was able to knock on 100+ doors yesterday and many more over the past three months because they made it so easy to just drop in, get a canvassing packet, follow a map, and knock on doors.

    This operation will be full-steam ahead regardless of whether McGrath or Matt Jones wins the primary. I support Jones since I think McGrath’s “pro-Trump Democrat” approach is awful and Jones would open whole new vistas, but I know for a fact that people will still enthusiastically canvass for McGrath if she wins. I think McConnell knows it too, and Lindsey Graham is already angling to take his place.

  84. 84.

    J R in WV

    November 6, 2019 at 1:15 pm

    @Barbara:

    I agree that Confederate symbolism was more accepted by more people at higher levels of education. There were outlier places, and his county might have been one of them for rather complex reasons. For one thing, it had an influx of people from other states in the 20s and 30s who were not steeped in lost cause mythology.

    Many places in the deep south were anti-confederate even during the war. In the mountain south the union stars and stripes flew over many county courthouses for the entireity of the war. The state of Tennessee became know as the Volunteer State because more Union soldiers volunteered from TN than would have been drafted had Tennessee remained in the Union.

    I doubt that this is still taught in TN public schools, however, as the Jim Crow treason ran deep all over the south, even in places where most ancestors were pro-Union during the actual Civil War. After we won the war, we lost the counter-attack to people like Forrest and his Klan.

  85. 85.

    206inKY

    November 6, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    @joel hanes: Kentucky is 8% black, which is double Iowa and quadruple New Hampshire. 69,000 of the 312,000 disenfranchised voters are black.

  86. 86.

    catclub

    November 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    @Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.):

    In the long haul, I have a tough time seeing how Republicans aren’t fucked. This shit isn’t going to wash off them any time soon.

    I do not share your optimism, yet. Look at the recent past.
    GOP was clobbered in 2008. They won a House majority in huge landslide in …. 2010. That is not very fucked, for not very long.
    They had a Senate majority after 2014 ( and with competent candidates, probably would have had one after 2012).

    We shall see if it is different in 2022. ( and that is assuming a big Democratic win in 2020)

  87. 87.

    catclub

    November 6, 2019 at 1:51 pm

    @206inKY:

    Yes, Trump will be fine, but McConnell is DEFINITELY on the ropes.

    Bevin was historically bad, and historically unpopular to be running for re-election. McConnell brings back actual government money to KY, and is not historically unpopular in KY. I am not sure he is any worse a shot in KY than Trump

  88. 88.

    206inKY

    November 6, 2019 at 2:25 pm

    @catclub: Um, there’s one political figure in Kentucky more unpopular than Bevin.

    This one is a year old but includes all 100 senators. Look who is ranked last.
    morningconsult.com/2018/04/12/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators/

    Matt Jones or Amy McGrath can definitely beat Mitch.

  89. 89.

    sdhays

    November 6, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    @Jay: When your job is to prevent hostile foreign powers from compromising the US government and official WH policy is that being compromised by Russia is good and the ultimate goal, you’re going to have…challenges.

  90. 90.

    PaulWartenberg

    November 6, 2019 at 2:56 pm

    I’m seeing on Twitter that donnie junior is naming the Whistleblower, repeatedly.

    I reported the account for harassment/threatening another person, and I think everyone needs to do that as well.

    SOB should be facing jail time for breaking the protection laws.

  91. 91.

    Immanentize

    November 6, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Remember the Sander’s initial release that “The Squad” endorsed Sanders? I was skeptical about that, now with good cause. Pressley just endorsed Warren. And I don’t believe Tlaib has yet endorsed anyone.

  92. 92.

    Betsy

    November 6, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    @Baud: @zhena gogolia: @lee: @Barbara: @rikyrah: @patrick II: @Elizabelle: @Miss Bianca: @errg: @Brachiator: @VeniceRiley: Thanks, everyone!

  93. 93.

    jonas

    November 6, 2019 at 4:41 pm

    @Kent: I don’t doubt a lot are hillbilly methheads who would get reenfranchised under this, but I read somewhere else that something like a 1/4 of voting age African-American men in KY are ineligible to vote under the current restrictions.

  94. 94.

    BroD

    November 6, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    Keep in mind, folks, that Trump is a crazy mofo and, as things turn south for him, he’s gonna get even crazier–fasten your seat-belts!

  95. 95.

    AnotherBruce

    November 6, 2019 at 11:24 pm

    @Baud: There is already too much fertilizer at the White House. It could harm the plants

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