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Late Night Open Thread: Our Two-Party System — One Party, One Failing / Flailing Cult

by Anne Laurie|  December 14, 202012:22 am| 85 Comments

This post is in: GOP Death Cult, Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!

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— Patti Mulligan #StayHome #WearAMask (@chachina) December 12, 2020


I think a lot about those White House aides, campaign staffers, and GOP office-holders who spent the first 10 days after the election anonymously saying “what’s the harm in letting him vent while he comes to terms with his loss?” to reporters.
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— Jacob T. Levy (@jtlevy) December 13, 2020

I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans who neither intended nor wanted for things to get as out of hand as they have, and who, despite all evidence from the last four years, thought this would all just blow over instead of escalating.

— Jacob T. Levy (@jtlevy) December 13, 2020

Cowards before and after: “Of 17 Republican attorneys general who endorsed the case none agreed to be interviewed by the Times. Requests for comments sent to the office of more than two dozen top congressional Republicans
were either declined or ignored.” https://t.co/NpngxPE22b

— Kurt Andersen (@KBAndersen) December 13, 2020

“The quality of ideas seems to play a minor role in mass movement leadership. What counts is the arrogant gesture, the complete disregard of the opinion of others, the singlehanded defiance of the world.” – Eric Hoffer, The True Believer

— Mark K (@mjklin) December 11, 2020

Idpol – ‘identity politics’, i.e., racism in a clean shirt…

this is a pretty strong argument, but it's also possible that a lot of the most recent GOP radicalisation is down to white idpol reacting to the existence of a Black president. we're gonna get a test of the hypothesis real soon https://t.co/ben2BOa2fl

— Zoomcock Archivist ?? (@canderaid) December 11, 2020

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  1. 1.

    dmsilev

    December 14, 2020 at 12:28 am

    The GOP is stuck with Trump now. One thing that his extended temper tantrum has done is force nearly all of the current set of Republican office-holders to publicly declare their support for said temper tantrum. Call it an oath of fealty if you will. Now, consider the hypothetical challenger-to-Trump for 2024. Where do they even start?

  2. 2.

    smike

    December 14, 2020 at 12:36 am

    @dmsilev:

    And they are stuck with a base that will eat their face. Right/wrong does not matter, they just need to eat. And eat they will.

    I pity them not.

  3. 3.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 12:36 am

    I think a lot about those White House aides, campaign staffers, and GOP office-holders who spent the first 10 days after the election anonymously saying “what’s the harm in letting him vent while he comes to terms with his loss?” to reporters.

    Yeah!  No harm in letting a Soviet shitpile mobster manbaby scream his fat, orange, fascist head off when he still has the power of the land’s highest office.

    Has Dump learned his lesson yet, Suzie?

    Idiots.

  4. 4.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 12:41 am

    I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans who neither intended nor wanted for things to get as out of hand as they have, and who, despite all evidence from the last four years, thought this would all just blow over instead of escalating.— Jacob T. Levy (@jtlevy) December 13, 2020

    Forget it, Jake. It’s been a pile of shit party for at least 40 years.

  5. 5.

    Yutsano

    December 14, 2020 at 12:43 am

    Junior has officially gone over the deep end.

  6. 6.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 12:44 am

    @dmsilev:

    The GOP is stuck with Trump now. One thing that his extended temper tantrum has done is force nearly all of the current set of Republican office-holders to publicly declare their support for said temper tantrum. 

    If only it had been completely fucking obvious that Dump was a pile of shit racist manbaby back in 2015…

    Too bad.  So sad.  Fuck ’em.

  7. 7.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 12:46 am

    @Yutsano: Can you give us a one-sentence summary?

  8. 8.

    West of the Rockies

    December 14, 2020 at 12:48 am

    I dont think this gets enough play:  35 years of right wing rage media, starting with Limbaugh, contributed mightily to this GOP decay.

    Well, soon enough Rush will “assume room temperature” (as he has crudely been saying for years about Democrats who have passed).  But the damage is done.  Cape GirLardo must be proud.

  9. 9.

    jonas

    December 14, 2020 at 12:49 am

    @dmsilev: Now, consider the hypothetical challenger-to-Trump for 2024. Where do they even start?

    Shit. I don’t even want to know. Trump supporters aren’t even pretending not to be full-blown fascists at this point.

  10. 10.

    different-church-lady

    December 14, 2020 at 12:49 am

    I’m just gonna re-up this piece I wrote for ⁦@nytopinion⁩ about how Trumpism is the GOP’s natural state. It’s not going to change, it will probably only get worse.

    Again: Trump is the symptom, not the disease.

  11. 11.

    jonas

    December 14, 2020 at 12:52 am

    @West of the Rockies: As we know Rush, like Fox News, spawned a thousand imitators across the am spectrum. He may pass — hopefully into eternal perdition — but his influence will live on, unfortunately.

  12. 12.

    The Moar You Know

    December 14, 2020 at 12:53 am

    Trump’s hands are really incredibly small.  I wouldn’t be showing my hands off in public like that if I were him.

  13. 13.

    Edmund Dantes

    December 14, 2020 at 12:54 am

    @different-church-lady: exactly. Trump is not the cause of the rot. Trump is just what the rot looks like when it finally gets too hard to hide with spackle and paint.

  14. 14.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 12:54 am

    “What you want is for us to overturn this election so that your king can stay in power,” said liberal Justice Jill Karofsky. “That is so un-American.” t.co/rcDB0yutiW— Randy Bryce (@IronStache) December 13, 2020

    Justice Karofsky added, “Too bad. So sad. Suck an ass’s ass, and get the fuck out of our courtroom, you traitorous Trump trash!”

  15. 15.

    Kineslaw

    December 14, 2020 at 12:54 am

    @mrmoshpotato:  Trump Jr. high as a kite in a cheap motel room ranting about Hunter Biden and China.

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    December 14, 2020 at 12:54 am

    With all due apology to Betty, when it comes to Dolt 45 –

    “What cracker is this same that deafs our ears
    With this abundance of superfluous breath?”
      – Wm. Shakespeare, The Life and Death of King John
    .

  17. 17.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 12:57 am

    @jonas: Nope. They don’t believe in democracy anymore. The GOP has shown its fat, orange, fascist ass.

  18. 18.

    prostratedragon

    December 14, 2020 at 12:58 am

    @mrmoshpotato:  Didn’t listen, just watched for a moment, and the man do not look good at all. If anyone cared about him they’d try to get him to seek help, like now.

  19. 19.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 12:59 am

    @Kineslaw: Thanks.  Also, SAD!

  20. 20.

    Benw

    December 14, 2020 at 1:00 am

    Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

  21. 21.

    Yutsano

    December 14, 2020 at 1:04 am

    @prostratedragon:

    If anyone cared about him

    I already see the problem…

    There is no such thing as love or care in that family. There is only who can do what for whom at any given time. No one from his supposed family will do anything. The ex Mrs Newsom will not do anything for him. He’ll have to keep decaying until either he can no longer function or some outside force kills him.

  22. 22.

    different-church-lady

    December 14, 2020 at 1:06 am

    @Edmund Dantes: Trump is what the rot looks like when you tear down everything that isn’t rotted.

  23. 23.

    HumboldtBlue

    December 14, 2020 at 1:06 am

    I came across a good recipe.

  24. 24.

    jonas

    December 14, 2020 at 1:07 am

    The GOP is now composed of two key constituencies: rich, entitled mofos who would as soon see America and all it stands for burn to the ground than pay one more cent in taxes; and redneck fascists who long to see an authoritarian jackboot pressed across the throat of all those they perceive as “elitists” who look down on them, but are willing to let the rich bastards run roughshod over them, if it means that they can swing their penis extenders guns around in public without people thinking they’re losers. The problem is, that’s not really a governing coalition. It’s not really anything except a mob of entitled, spoiled bastards who don’t give a shit about the country and think it’s all about them. Funny that they’ve found their idol in Trump.

  25. 25.

    different-church-lady

    December 14, 2020 at 1:07 am

    @prostratedragon:

    If anyone cared about him…

    …they’d have to do an end-run around karma.

  26. 26.

    Another Scott

    December 14, 2020 at 1:09 am

    @dmsilev:

    Call it an oath of fealty if you will. Now, consider the hypothetical challenger-to-Trump for 2024. Where do they even start?

    Someone will find a way.

    Watch people like Kasich. They may not win in 2024, but they’ll change the conversation from Donnie to something else.

    Political parties forget about losers and change their message when a new standard bearer comes along. The GOP will change, too, because they want to win more than anything else.  Parties forget about losers, or at least don’t mention them any more even when their ideas survive.

    We can’t be complacent and think that Donnie will be an anchor around all the GOP candidates in the next cycles.  Too many people are too ambitious to be in his shadow for long.  They’re going to fight it out for the nominations, and not let Javanka or Junior or Eric or that screaming crazy lady just take over.

    Yeah, they’re scared of his RWNJ supporters.  But those people have always been out there.  When the government actually pushes back, they go back under their rocks…

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  27. 27.

    Danielx

    December 14, 2020 at 1:11 am

     

    I think a lot about those White House aides, campaign staffers, and GOP office-holders who spent the first 10 days after the election anonymously saying “what’s the harm in letting him vent while he comes to terms with his loss?” to reporters.

    Honestly? Fuck those guys.

  28. 28.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 1:18 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Native Australian spices?  Aren’t you only allowed to make that dish in Australia then?

  29. 29.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 14, 2020 at 1:25 am

    @Another Scott:

    Political parties forget about losers and change their message when a new standard bearer comes along. The GOP will change, too, because they want to win more than anything else.  Parties forget about losers, or at least don’t mention them any more even when their ideas survive.

    Most losers tend to go away quietly, assuming the role of elder statesman.  Trump won’t do that, he’ll be more like a stalker if they try to spurn him.

  30. 30.

    Redshift

    December 14, 2020 at 1:26 am

    @mrmoshpotato: I realized after watching the government set up by the GOP in Iraq that the conservative definition of democracy is “elections are held and the right people win.” Will of the people has no part in it.

  31. 31.

    Redshift

    December 14, 2020 at 1:28 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans who neither intended nor wanted for things to get as out of hand as they have 

    Deep Throat said it best: “they’re not very bright, and things got out of hand.”

  32. 32.

    NotMax

    December 14, 2020 at 1:28 am

    @mrmoshpotato

    Not to mention needing to stir everything counter-clockwise.

    ;)

  33. 33.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 1:30 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Most losers tend to go away quietly, assuming the role of elder statesman.  Trump won’t do that, he’ll be more like a stalker if they try to spurn him. 

    Spurn away, assclowns!  Let the monster you created destroy your party.

  34. 34.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 1:34 am

    @Redshift: In this case, “They’re fascist con(wo)men who got deservedly fucked by a better conman.”

  35. 35.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 1:36 am

    @NotMax: Yes.  Least they rip a hole in the spacetime-kangaroo continuum.

  36. 36.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 1:40 am

    Gassy galaxy. ?

    Blasting gas that far would require the energy of 100,000 supernovae. #BadAstronomyt.co/OHB4drHodm— SYFY WIRE (@SYFYWIRE) December 13, 2020

  37. 37.

    matt the somewhat reasonable

    December 14, 2020 at 1:46 am

    Well, Trump might have lost but his supporters are going to go down gloating about how they’re still going to steal the election from the voters.

    That’ll show em.

  38. 38.

    Viva BrisVegas

    December 14, 2020 at 1:48 am

    @NotMax: 

    I think you mean clockwise.

  39. 39.

    Brachiator

    December 14, 2020 at 1:54 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans who neither intended nor wanted for things to get as out of hand as they have, and who, despite all evidence from the last four years, thought this would all just blow over instead of escalating.— Jacob T. Levy

    I had a copy of The New Yorker from November, 2015, with a long article about how wary the GOP was of Trump. Even some disparaging remarks from the GOP leadership.

    It’s funny how quickly and completely they fell in line behind him. And continue to do so. The GOP abandoned any principles they had a long time ago. They want to win at any cost. A few of them may talk about Trump privately, but who has gone on record publicly about him?

    They will fall in line again if he comes back in 2024. And the right wing propaganda machine will be ready to roll. The crazy thing is that the right wing propaganda machine will deny that Trump ever existed if it serves their purposes. That’s how craven these fools are. Plus they know that the GOP base are suckers who will fall for anything. You just have to spoonfeed them lies coated with patriotism and “economic anxiety” and give them a few scapegoats to hate and they will be happy.

  40. 40.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 1:54 am

    @Viva BrisVegas: You stir things counter-clockwise?  You monster. :)

  41. 41.

    NotMax

    December 14, 2020 at 1:54 am

    @Viva BrisVegas

    Strewth, busted! :)

  42. 42.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 1:56 am

    @Brachiator: Dump was the fascist of Rethuglican dreams.

  43. 43.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 2:01 am

    Popehat is currently SeverelyPunishableHat.

    Hehe

  44. 44.

    Mary G

    December 14, 2020 at 2:03 am

    They had to close down the Michigan State Legislature because tomorrow’s electoral votes will be cast in the same building, and they received credible threats of terrorism.

  45. 45.

    Chris T.

    December 14, 2020 at 2:04 am

    @The Moar You Know: Trump’s hands are really incredibly small.  I wouldn’t be showing my hands off in public like that if I were him.

    I’m not a good judge of these things, but I think part of it is actually how Trump tries to look taller and disguise how fat he is.  With 4 or more inches of lift in his shoes and those oversize suits and coats he wears, it makes him look as if it’s about 6’2″ and has a large body (rather than just a large stomach), and hence his hands ought to be larger too. So viewers expect bigger hands, and then his just look tiny.

  46. 46.

    Brachiator

    December 14, 2020 at 2:08 am

    @Yutsano:

    Junior looks as if he is seriously toasted. I’m also surprised that he seems to be in such a cheap ass motel room.

    That boy ain’t right.

  47. 47.

    Geoduck

    December 14, 2020 at 2:14 am

    @Chris T.: No, he’s seriously got A Thing about how small his hands are. It was Spy Magazine who really started that particular ball rolling in public with their “stubby-fingered vulgarian” crack, and twenty years later, the Shiatgibbon is/was still sending picture of his grubby little mitts to at least one of the former editors.

  48. 48.

    NotMax

    December 14, 2020 at 2:17 am

    @Brachiator

    Reprobates Motel?

  49. 49.

    Citizen Alan

    December 14, 2020 at 2:21 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans who neither intended nor wanted for things to get as out of hand as they have, and who, despite all evidence from the last four years, thought this would all just blow over instead of escalating.

    For some reason, this tweet reminds me of this Onion article.

  50. 50.

    Brachiator

    December 14, 2020 at 2:23 am

    I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans who neither intended nor wanted for things to get as out of hand as they have, and who, despite all evidence from the last four years, thought this would all just blow over instead of escalating.

    I need to come back to this. Republicans saw what Trump was, but there is something about them that is attracted to feeble minded autocrats.

    The GOP knew what Trump was. They had many opportunities to reject him. They could have kept the nomination from him. They could have voted to remove him from office as part of the impeachment process. They could have clearly and forcefully endorsed the election results.

    But they didn’t. They coddled him and flattered him and protected him. And used him.

    And now he is raising money for 2024 and has a core of supporters who share his sense of grievance.

    And still there are pundits who think that there are Republicans with values and honor instead of this morally bankrupt bunch of fools with their heads up Trump’s ass. They can’t shake him loose and are waiting to see if he cuts a fart.

  51. 51.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 2:24 am

    and just cheesify and bake the hell out of it

    Last night did the chicken-pasta-pesto-Alfredo casserole comfort food everyone in the family likes. You can put almost anything in it and just cheesify and bake the hell out of it. This time caramelized some onions and sautéed mushrooms.— SeverelyPunishableHat (@Popehat) December 13, 2020

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    December 14, 2020 at 2:31 am

    @Brachiator

    And now he is raising money for 2024

    And now he is raising money advertised as being for 2024. Like all else he spouts, it’s a lie. There will be no stab at running outside of meaningless window dressing.

  53. 53.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 2:31 am

    @Citizen Alan: Hahaha, I’d forgotten about that.

  54. 54.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 2:35 am

    @NotMax:

    And now he is raising money advertised as being for 2024. 

    Yup.  The grift goes on.  And I’m expecting Dump to be dead or in prison by 2024.

  55. 55.

    gene108

    December 14, 2020 at 3:06 am

    @Another Scott:

    Republicans have only gotten more radically conservative after an election loss.

    Ford’s loss got Reagan. Bush, Sr.’s loss got Gingrich’s Contract on America, and Bush. Jr., who was considered very conservative in 2000.

    Bush, Jr.’s demise & McCain’s loss got us the Tea Party, and Romney’s loss got us to Trump.

    Trump’s loss is going to lead to openly fascist, and racist Republican politicians by 2022 and definitely by 2024.

  56. 56.

    smike

    December 14, 2020 at 3:08 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Yup. The grift goes on. And I’m expecting Dump to be dead or in prison by 2024.

    Bingo! Bingo!

  57. 57.

    Brachiator

    December 14, 2020 at 3:13 am

    @NotMax: 

    And now he is raising money for 2024

    And now he is raising money advertised as being for 2024. Like all else he spouts, it’s a lie. There will be no stab at running outside of meaningless window dressing.

    The fundraising keeps his base tied to him whether he runs or not. Pence is the immediate loser here. And it will be tough for anyone else to break through if Trump runs a crackpot shadow presidency out of Mar a Lago.

    Of course, Trump may decide to do nothing but play golf. But he will keep the cash from the suckers rolling in.

    The GOP can’t shake Trump loose without some display of courage. Trump is, for now, still in control of the GOP.

    ETA. I will be curious to see how Trump reacts to the Electoral College meeting later today.

    Hmm. I guess states will be voting throughout the day. California by 5 pm Eastern time. Hawaii by 7 pm Eastern Time.

  58. 58.

    burnspbesq

    December 14, 2020 at 3:41 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I could feel my arteries clogging as I read that.

  59. 59.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 3:47 am

    @burnspbesq: Yummo!

  60. 60.

    opiejeanne

    December 14, 2020 at 3:48 am

    @NotMax: Nicely done.

  61. 61.

    burnspbesq

    December 14, 2020 at 3:53 am

    Want to know the future direction of the Republican Party? Watch this Saturday’s runoff election for a state Senate seat in Texas.

    statesman.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/11/texas-senate-runoff-pits-shelley-luther-and-drew-spring…

  62. 62.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 3:55 am

    @burnspbesq: Ahhhh Trash 1 v Trash 2.

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 4:04 am

    No Pants Allowed

  64. 64.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 14, 2020 at 4:18 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Baud approves of this message.

  65. 65.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 4:21 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I’m sure.

  66. 66.

    NotMax

    December 14, 2020 at 5:04 am

    @mrmoshpotato

    Trivia: Comics covers from 1940 featuring Phantasmo.

    ;)

  67. 67.

    Brachiator

    December 14, 2020 at 5:06 am

    @burnspbesq:

    This Texas contest is wild. Luther doesn’t appear to have much political experience. And background character Allen West is a grifter.

  68. 68.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 14, 2020 at 5:32 am

    @NotMax: Not exactly the pantsless ghost I was expecting.

  69. 69.

    Geminid

    December 14, 2020 at 6:05 am

    @Brachiator: Shelley Luther of the Texas runoff is comparable to Lauren Boebert, recent winner of the Colorado 3rd Congressional District. Boebert also made her name by keeping her business open in defiance of Covid-19 restrictions. Boebert capitalized on her notoriety by defeating six term republican Congressman Scott Tipton in a primary. She then won the general election and will now represent the 3rd in Congress. Like Luther, Boebert is relatively young, in her 30s I believe.

  70. 70.

    satby

    December 14, 2020 at 6:26 am

    Nice to see a shout-out to Hoffer’s True Believer, which was one of the first books I read about political thought and mass movements way back in the 60s, and has influenced me my entire life. It inoculated me against much of the simple sound byte political con jobs so many people seem to fall for.

  71. 71.

    p.a.

    December 14, 2020 at 6:43 am

    Hive mind question: odds on tRump being physically able to campaign by late ’23/’24?  If the private docs he chooses (no more free gvt healthcare) are like his lawyers, he’s doomed.

  72. 72.

    Cameron

    December 14, 2020 at 7:00 am

    Of course Trump will be running in 2024.  Against Hugo Chavez.

  73. 73.

    trnc

    December 14, 2020 at 7:05 am

    The harm in “letting him vent” without contradiction or pushback is that it changed the political world around you and let Trump redefine, again, what it means to be a Republican.

    And, in their eyes, an American.

    As far as the opinion that republicans just thought they would ride this out, are we STILL giving them Chuck Todd levels of tongue bath? Every time the republicans had a choice, they backed up DT. Every single time. I was done giving them passes a long time ago. I’d love to think this will come back and bite them in the ass in Georgia in January, but hate, rage and psychosis seem to be working pretty well for them as far as their base are concerned.

  74. 74.

    Uncle Jeffy

    December 14, 2020 at 7:31 am

    Allen West ran for office here in Illinois a few years ago and got his ass kicked so thoroughly that he left the state immediately afterward.

  75. 75.

    SFAW

    December 14, 2020 at 7:33 am

    @Another Scott:

    Watch people like Kasich. They may not win in 2024, but they’ll change the conversation from Donnie to something else.

    You’re assuming a rational Rethug Partei. Were I Kasich, I’d be worried that some MAGAt will try to take out me and my family, for daring to rise up against the god-emperor.

  76. 76.

    Chris Johnson

    December 14, 2020 at 7:59 am

    @Brachiator: I do have to wonder what it’s gonna take for you to stop putting scare quotes around ‘economic anxiety’. How many people have to starve?

    Just saying. Granted, I’m an Elizabeth Warren Dem. The rest of what you’ve got to say, yep, agreed. It just really bugs me, every time. The only reason I’m not still panicked and scrambling for Bernie Sanders figures as some sort of refuge is, my parents (who owned stuff) DIED.

    That doesn’t scale. Even under COVID. My folks were lucky, plus they hung on to every possible resource they could as long as they did live, making the effect more striking.

    As a result of this, everybody I know lives in economic anxiety, and I never like seeing the scare quotes. It’s like seeing somebody around here spouting Trumpist talking points.

  77. 77.

    Jake Gibson

    December 14, 2020 at 8:00 am

    @smike:

    The problem being they will eat our faces too.

  78. 78.

    boatboy_srq

    December 14, 2020 at 9:02 am

    it’s also possible that a lot of the most recent GOP radicalisation is down to white idpol reacting to the existence of a Black president.

    Ya think?

  79. 79.

    Just One More Canuck

    December 14, 2020 at 9:27 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Blasting gas that far would require the energy of 100,000 supernovae. #BadAstronomyt.co/OHB4drHodm— SYFY WIRE (@SYFYWIRE) December 13, 2020

    or a dog

  80. 80.

    bluefoot

    December 14, 2020 at 9:37 am

    @Redshift: The US track record in South America is the same.  It’s just that they’ve come out from behind the curtain here at home.  Plus they’ve realized that they can get away with it here, where before they thought they had to be behind the scenes/subtle about it.  No longer.

  81. 81.

    Miss Bianca

    December 14, 2020 at 10:07 am

    @Geminid: And with any hope, Boebert is stupid enough to get eaten alive in Washington. Yeah, I’d like to think so, anyway.

  82. 82.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    December 14, 2020 at 10:33 am

    @West of the Rockies: I’m hoping Rush lives long enough to see Biden sworn in, and then dies. Spontaneous combustion would be nice.

  83. 83.

    ballerat

    December 14, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    @Another Scott: It isn’t about what the party wants anymore. It’s what the trumpist base wants.

    As others have pointed out, Trump is a symptom not the disease. As long as Trump is alive they will want Trump. If Trump dies in at least the next four years they will still demand from the next GOP candidates what Trump was pushing.

    I don’t know if Kasich has the sociopathy it takes to deliver that, but I am certain there will be others who can easily manage it.

    One more thing and it’s important: The base doesn’t see Donnie as a loser. He was a winner by every measure that matters for them, and most now believe his second term was stolen from him.

    Donnie isn’t just a winner to them, he’s a hero. And a victim! His successor must and will acknowledge that.

  84. 84.

    ballerat

    December 14, 2020 at 12:52 pm

    @Brachiator: I’m thinking hard drugs or young prostitutes.

  85. 85.

    No One You Know

    December 14, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: And just sat there waiting for things to “Get better by themselves.”

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