Here’s an open thread for you all. The running count of companies that have dropped sponsorship of the Rush Limbaugh show in one way or another is up to 28, according to Media Matters blog.
Baby Monkey vs. Kitten No cute animals were harmed…but several observers have suffered virtual diabetic seizures.
Tweet of the day–Andy Borowitz, @BorowitzReport–I’m going to call Super Tuesday early and predict that the winner will be a massive douchebag. #SuperTuesday
The Dangerous Veteran: An Inaccurate Media Narrative Takes Hold
harlana
I know I have not lived a good enough life for this, pinch me.
sb
@harlana: Beat me to it.
Rush Limbaugh is a really terrible human being. That’s not so upsetting. That he gets paid extremely well and is feted by millions? That’s upsetting.
The Other Chuck
The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Linda Featheringill
Re-posted from the thread below:
If I understand the series of events correctly, the government of Iran issued a statement that it would like to resume talks with the rest of the world about nuclear capability and about inspections. Representatives of “the rest of the world” have agreed and made public statements to that effect. I didn’t see any specific dates.
Still, that looks like it might be a positive step. If so, congrats to us peaceniks.
washingtonpost.com/…..story.html
scav
@harlana: oh, I would pinch you if I could but I’m laughing too hard because they’ve lost my sister who for decades has tut-tutted the rest of the family about how rude we all were in not understanding the fears of the very legitimate, sincere and Caring people and she’s now exploded in forwarding emails about Sough Carolina et al.
dmsilev
It’s downright hilarious to read RedState on this issue. They’ve moved to wailing about being silenced by the vast left-wing conspiracy. Seriously. Ericksonsonsonson:
dmsilev
@The Other Chuck: Understanding is a three-edged sword.
Fax Paladin
@The Other Chuck: Damn. dmsilev beat me to it.
Spaghetti Lee
@dmsilev:
Rarely do people on the right operate in the same aggressive way against the left.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Poopyman
@Linda Featheringill: Salty John McCain tears are salty.
MikeJ
Media Matters lists Geico as having dropped their ads, which is true, but it happened almost a decade ago.
It would also be nice if on the list of ads aired the broke out the network ads from the local avails. I don’t remember the clock exactly, but generally there are a minute or two of network ads in each stopset and another minute or two of locals. Once you know that, then you need to find out which ones bought time on Limbaugh and which bought run of day.
Of course you’d rather get people who are running run of day to refuse spots on his show, but the existence of run of day ads means that for the local station Limbaugh doesn’t particularly help ad sales.
Soonergrunt
@The Other Chuck:
@dmsilev:
Shall we have Swedish meatballs for lunch?
Brachiator
I previously missed this little example of a conservative commentator doubling down with Rush (via Andrew Sullivan).
These people are truly despicable.
Bill
Maybe folks like MediaMatters should buy som of Limbaugh’s ad time. It’s probably at a discount right now, and I can’t think of a better audience to receive some well written public service announcements.
Clime Acts
Oh no!
Surely the American government, especially the Obama administration, would never lie to us.
No, I’m sure this can’t be the case. Better to talk about Rush saying “slut.”
The Dangerman
Let’s bow our virtual heads in remembrance of the composer of “It’s a Small World” who just passed.
“It’s a small world after all, it’s a small world after all, it’s a small world after all, it’s a small, small world.”
Repeat. Kinda catchy.
harlana
@scav: you mean the purity test? just wondering, those folks are “right next door” to me
shortstop
Sourpuss Wildlife Scold Alert: I wish people wouldn’t try to keep monkeys as pets. They ain’t really wired for that.
Having said that…damn, that was cute. And the look on the cat’s face when the dog shows up is priceless.
I’m looking forward to Rih having more and more angry, voter-alienating outbursts after tonight. I guess he’ll hang in a bit since the deep south is on deck, but it’s going to be an awful week for him, and I’m so very glad.
Tonal Crow
@The Dangerman: Earworm alert!
Chyron HR
@Clime Acts:
Your misdirections could use some work.
J.W. Hamner
GO TEAM PRIMATE!
EDIT: Goddamnit you’ve got opposable thumbs! Kick his ass!
scav
@harlana: Exactly. And my sister is in WA so she’s now becoming upset by events on the other coast. I can simply not explain how totally out of character this is for her. I am a bad bad person for laughing this vociferously and this long. She introducing me to TPM.
Stooleo
Had my first rat-fuck this morning. Voting for Rick Santorum in the TN primary was pretty icky, but I’ll do it for the greater good.
The Dangerman
@dmsilev:
He musta missed all of the shout downs during the whole health care debate (easily missed, there were only several thousand episodes of it).
Schlemizel
@The Dangerman:
It’s a world of acne; a world of germs
It’s your brand new dog coming down with worms
It’s the notes being played
By a cockroach parade
It’s the real world after all
It’s a world of ulcers; a world of cysts
It’s the hole in the road that you never miss
It’s the cheap underwear
Creeping up to your hair
It’s the real world after all
It’s the real world after all
It’s the real world after all
It’s the real world after all
It’s the real world after all
It’s a world of hunger; a world of sin.
It’s a million products to keep you thin
It’s machinery exhaust
Causing air to be lost
It’s the real world after all
It’s a world of stark mediocrity
It’s a world of mindless activity
It’s the little white lie
Inside Mom’s apple pie
It’s the real world after all
It’s the real world after all
Cold hard steel world after all
Slimy eel world after all
Well, it’s the real world after all
It’s a world that’s black and a world that’s blue
And you must duck logic to get you through
It’s the sudden attack
Of a knife in your back
It’s the real world after all
It’s the real world after all
Spinning wheel world after all
Cold hard steel world after all
Well, it’s the real world after all
Ben Franklin
@Clime Acts:
The Stratfor emails come through Wikileaks. You can’t believe what these criminals are uploading. The CIA is not cozy with the security orgs. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I say.
Soonergrunt
@Clime Acts: So one guy with no active clearance or access suggests that he thinks something different was done than what the government said?
You should look into the moon landing, the Kennedy assassination, and the birth certificate while you’re at it.
jibeaux
@scav: I hope you’re giving that hothouse flower some warmth and encouragement!
Carnacki
That’s an insult to douchebags
Clime Acts
@Chyron HR:
My point is that along with pointing and laughing at the easy targets in the Republican freak show in post after post after post, this blog would do well to actually keep pressure on President Obama from the progressive side to not behave in ways all too reminiscent of the Bushies.
And to not fucking lie to us. Osama is likely dead. But I’ve seen no proof. Have you?
I think he died years ago, actually.
scav
@jibeaux: I’m being very polite in person and laughing like a loon in here: it’s all my cunning plan but I seriously needed to vent.
harlana
don’t deserve the baby monkey vs kitty vid , either, but thank you!
Joel
@Clime Acts: Wingnut troll is wingnut.
Clime Acts
@Soonergrunt:
Soonergrunt, by what set of reasonable standards would you feel compelled to believe the U.S. government on anything, simply on their say-so?
I mean, at the least, why not reserve judgement one way or the other?
Before and during Obama, the lies have come fast and loose. there’s simply no reason other than blind partisanship to accept the government’s say so on anything sans proof.
So why do you?
Maude
@shortstop:
You’re right. They tried having monkeys as helpers for people who were disabled. One monkey turned on the bathroom faucet and flooded the apartment below.
Soonergrunt
@Clime Acts: I don’t have a problem with keeping pressure on from the progessive side. I just don’t want to waste time on bullshit conspiracy theories that have no basis in provable fact nor any political value whatsoever.
9/11 Truthers like yourself are the flipside of the Birthers. Neither one of you adds anything of value to the discussion except for comic relief.
Clime Acts
@Joel:
really just so weak…
Omnes Omnibus
@ Ben Franklin: One unsourced email from a group like Stratfor? I think you are being a bit credulous. Ask yourself this, if they brought OBL’s body back to the US and then cremated it, how would it change anything? If it wouldn’t change anything, why lie?
Clime Acts
@Soonergrunt:
And so the predictable misdirection begins…
To summarize: Soonergrunt believes whatever the Obama administration dishes out, sans proof, because…they said so.
Of such strict and vigorous standards of intellectual discernment, great movements and great thinkers are born…
scav
Keep polishing the Shiny! Squirrel! to a Clime Axe there, twinkle toes. You’ve got Joel on the mat with your unsurpassed appreciation of weak.
Violet
@scav:
A thing of beauty. It’s happening in my family as well. So delicious. Lots of understanding nodding happening when I talk to them, while cackling in glee in the privacy of my own home,
dmsilev
@Clime Acts:
Osama’s death certificate is stored in the same filing cabinet as Obama’s *real* birth certificate.
Hill Dweller
@Clime Acts: Have you read some of the other leaked Stratfor emails? The are/were the nuttiest of wingnuts, who believe all sorts of crazy shit.
jibeaux
@scav: Completely appropriate.
AA+ Bonds
GIGANTIC front page on Fox News right now about Sabu dropping a dime on LulzSec
EXCLUSIVE: Unmasking the world’s most wanted hacker
EXCLUSIVE: Infamous international hacking group LulzSec brought down by own leader
Whatever you think, I invite you to take notice that Fox is being used yet again by the Feds to make themselves appear way better at their jobs than they actually are, and in turn, Fox can pretend to be an actual news source (because the Feds trust them to parrot what they’re told)
I call it “the Fox/Fed 69”
Soonergrunt
@Clime Acts: You are more than welcome to find your own perch on the Internet. Blogger sites are free, and there’s plenty of space.
You have no source at all of any value for this claim of yours, and it has all the intellectual and political value of a pancake. A pancake, however, at least has some nutritional value, which makes the pancake worth more than your Truther blather.
matryoshka
@Schlemizel: Wow, I usually scroll right past song lyrics, but that one’s going to be in my head for days.
AA+ Bonds
Lord Almighty people, how are you taken so easily, every time, by every sockpuppet
Clime Acts
@dmsilev:
The difference, of course, being that we HAVE seen proof in the BC silliness, which is not the case regarding Osama.
Also, too: I don’t give a flying fuck if Obama was born here or not. The retarded Bush boy was born in the U.S. and look how that worked out.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
That is both nauseating and heart breaking. Yes, let’s have some douch turn the combat vets into a reality freak show to get the ratings up.
quannlace
Yeah, as much as I’d like this to be going down like the final scenes in ‘A Face In The Crowd.’ what really would happen if he suddenly got canned? He’s got more money than God, lotza nice homes, a trophy wife. He can go on the political/culture wars lecture circuit and be feted as a martyr of the commie Left.
The only thing that might actually hurt that huge ego is if he no longer had any weight in RW politics; that, finally, noone gave a shit what his opinions are.u
Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity
@Clime Acts: The emails in question are from Stratfor, an non-governmental agency whose intelligence is, at best, of dubious credibility.
HAND
Sir Nose'D
@dmsilev:
FTW!
AA+ Bonds
I guess this is how liberals fuck things up for themselves, because they can’t remember what happened yesterday and think “OH SHIT MUST BE A GEN YOO WINE TRUTHER ENGAGE ENGAGE ENGAGE”
We must seek the truth at all costs gentlemen! Drive around in this cul-de-sac until we run out of gas
Clime Acts
@Soonergrunt:
I’m not making a “claim,” simple little man. Merely pointing out that we have NO verification of the government story regarding OBL’s alleged demise. No more verification at all, then there is of these emails.
Yet, you so childishly…believe. Like a tot on Christmas Eve.
If you were a real patriot, and not a knee jerk authoritarian, you’d know that skepticism is the best lens thru which to view one’s government and leaders, and not just when the other tribe is in power.
Ever hear of John Adams? Thomas Jefferson? You might want to read some things they’ve written. Just a thought…
scav
@AA+ Bonds: I bet you never answer clearly push polls with deliberately outrageous answer sets either or try to convert door-to-door Bible-pushers to Druidism.
Soonergrunt
@AA+ Bonds: It’s all over the tech press. FBI isn’t using Fox for anything. Fox is superhyping as per usual.
Brachiator
@Clime Acts:
sheesh. You people are nuttier than evangelicals and libertarians. Progressives have no particular power, are not “the base,” and apart from a navel gazing sense of their own self-righteousness, are entirrely unimportant to current politics.
But keep on trying.
@Hill Dweller:
On the other hand, this amuses me as well. I don’t know why a lot of Balloon Juicers go out of their way to try to belittle the Stratfor stuff. It’s kinda like the crap about WMDs that got us into Iraq. It didn’t matter that the “intelligence” was nutty. What matterered is that people believed crappy stuff and used that as the basis for their decisions and justifications.
The same is the case with the Stratfor stuff. It is given credence by people who make the decisions. The judgement of Balloon Juicers hardly registers.
gwangung
@Clime Acts: You project.
Bring evidence to the table. Otherwise, we get to laugh at you.
gwangung
@Clime Acts: BWAH HAH HAH HAH!
PeakVT
Rarely do people on the right operate in the same aggressive way against the left.
Conservatism can never fail; it can only project failure.
AA+ Bonds
What i have found strange as most others here why did Osama deny having anything to do with 9/11 at first (as a terrorist rule you “boast” that your side is the responsible party of the attack/s,the responsible will come fwd out of their idiotic pride..suppose its how they make a name for themselves).
Then later on he claimed it was his people,now if the people here (Canadian Person?) who studies those videos of “reptilians” can get hold of that specific one and check out his eyes ..that video where he claims responsibility the first time after denying is the video that should be studied.
I don’t see reptilians as “reptiles” with intelligence unknown to us ,but as evil body snatchers,demon like oppressors in any form.The eye of the devil looks reptilian,so to me it’s all in the eyes,it can be the most gorgeous (wo)man but the eyes will look “snaky” ,Eve and the snake (reptile) ..just small things comes together.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Clime Acts: So that tape Briebart was murdered over is of Baraka Obama bragging about how he has Osama’s body and his REAL birth certificate in the same safe with the plans on how Obama staged the 911 attacks with Acorn?
Just checking to see if I missed anything.
Violet
@quannlace:
I agree he’s not going to lose his money unless he’s made bad investments, and there are probably people who will pay him a lot in speakers fees. But Rush lives off doing his show. His massive ego gets a shot every day when his listeners tell him how right and smart he is.
If that’s taken away from him, and/or he’s obviously diminished in power, it’s going to take a toll. He will not be able to survive it.
As for the trophy wife, you think she’ll stick around if the gravy train dries up?
Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity
Limpballs is not going to go quietly. He’ll drag the entire GOP down with him if he can, and it looks like he’s tryin’ hard.
bemused
I talked to a relative in her 70’s who is a Republican for the most part but definitely not happy with the party today. She’s not a fan of Democrats, just said she wasn’t voting for any incumbents. Her friend in his 50’s told her that he has always voted Republican but not now saying, “At least, Obama has a heart”.
Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity
@Clime Acts: Don’t care. Next!
Brachiator
@AA+ Bonds:
Posted on Gizmodo and other tech sites earlier today. The author of this article, Sam Biddle, apparently knew some of the Anonymous crew.
I recall a poster here, burnspesq, I think, noted that the feds were not going to sit back and let Anonymous mock them. Looks like they used methods that would make Jack Bauer proud to take some of these guys down.
Cold, but effective.
Cris (without an H)
Big East Tournament starts today, with the bottom eight teams beating on each other for the right play the top eight. Connecticut is currently rolling over DePaul, with the winner to face John’s beloved Mounties. Though I don’t recall that he cares too much about the hoops.
AA+ Bonds
@Soonergrunt:
LOL, I have to stress over and over when I post these, please actually read the story
It is a direct Fed feed through Fox – it makes the agents look like supermen Kiefer Sutherlands and advances Fox’s agenda, they even add a gratuitous attack on file-sharing to the side note that Sabu used to work for Limewire
I take it you’ve also forgotten that you instructed me to post Fox headlines with callouts (after I’d already been doing it for months and pointed out that someone should be doing it on the FP every day)
Clime Acts
@gwangung:
Sure, just as soon as the Obama administration presents THEIR evidence.
Again, WHERE is your justification for accepting anything the government tells us at face value? Doing so is not even good citizenship.
merrinc
@dmsilev:
[Red State whine]
Cognitive dissonance, how does it fucking work?
Also too, Dangerman: what did I do to deserve this? First Rocky Top and now Small World??!!
Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity
@Brachiator: Not true. Think of them as a security think tank, because that’s all they were. And not very good at security when it was time for them to, well, be secure. Kinda like HB Gary. You remember them, don’t you?
The actual “people who make the decisions” have their own intelligence agency, and it’s not some think tank manned by dipshits.
AA+ Bonds
@Brachiator:
Yes I know and the point of my post was for you to read the Fox story where they get the “exclusive” of parroting everything the Feds tell them about what happened
Seriously, click link, read story
Soonergrunt
@AA+ Bonds:
when did I instruct anybody to do anything like that?
Not saying I didn’t, just that I don’t remember such.
Clime Acts
@Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity:
At least you’re honest. Nice to see.
MikeJ
@Brachiator: Not really all that cold.
Nobody wants to go to prison whether they kids or not. That’s how you flip people.
AA+ Bonds
I am really at a loss as to how to be more clear about this than I already have been: when I post a Fox News story I do not expect you to ooh and ahh at the content, because, come on
I expect you to absorb and learn about how the main conservative political force in this country does its dirty deeds
And one way they do it is that the top cops go to Fox to get the most turd-polishing coverage they can get
gwangung
@Clime Acts: BWAH HAHA HAHA!
Evidence! You made the assertion. YOU support it!
BWAH HAHAHAH HAHA HAHA!
AA+ Bonds
@Soonergrunt:
I wondered aloud here for the millionth time why there is no BJ FPer who does a round-up and short-form analysis of headlines from FoxNews.com and FoxNation because it is a real cure for a lot of the “where the hell did that come from” that liberal blogs are always plagued by
(and honestly, you can’t have enough people doing the job that Media Matters tries to do, because the point is not just to sight these trial balloons and tactics but to publicize them in as many places as possible)
At which point you responded by asking me why I don’t do that if I felt it was so important, and then I said that I had been doing it for a while and had done it earlier in that thread and would continue to do it
redshirt
I have no proof the earth is round or that we orbit the sun, other than what LIBERAL scientists tell me.
Gravenstone
@Clime Acts:
Evidence suggests otherwise. You thinking, that is.
Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity
AWESOMETOWN
AA+ Bonds
@Brachiator:
Lulzsec != Anonymous
The idea of taking down the “heads” of Anonymous is like taking down the “#2” of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but Fox as a Fed parrot has every interest in denying that
In fact a lot of Anonymous doesn’t even know they’re involved in any attack since they so often use DDoS
Lulzsec on the other hand was by all accounts a small cell that met on a single IRC channel and Sabu had big pull over everyone involved (for a long while anyway)
But granted, the grand majority of cops and lawyers refuse to wrap their heads around these distinctions and what they mean for criminal investigations, because it makes cops and lawyers appear a lot less powerful and members of both groups are prone to insecurities/power fantasies
KS in MA
@Linda Featheringill: Juan Cole has been mighty interesting re: Iran lately, too.
Brachiator
@Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity:
Sorry, been through this before. A poster previously noted how the government of New Zealand depends on Stratfor crap. For example:
Balloon Juicers like to think of themselves as savvy, and connected observers of the political scene, so I don’t understand this uniformed snark about Stratfor.
It should be pretty clear that Stratfor people and some in the intelligence community travel in the same circles and recycle the same gossip. And a number of reporters who downplay the importance of the Stratfor material sometimes depend on it for background.
dmbeaster
@Clime Acts:
Soooo, the way to “keep tabs” on Obama is to believe and promote looney beliefs. The better suggestion above was to devote your time other important matters, like 911 conspiracies, the faux moon landings and global warming denial.
Clime Acts
@gwangung:
You should learn to read. What “assertion” is it you think you imagined yourself to believe that I made?
My actual, as opposed to the imaginary one in your head, “assertion” is that government should not be believed on its own say so, any more than you should or should not believe the contents of this Wikileak, for the same reason.
To any thinking person, the value of skepticism is SELF-evident, given all of recorded human history as source material.
befuggled
@Violet: I’ve got this on my brain since my brother died in January of a heroin overdose, but I suspect Rush is due for an oxycontin binge. I suspect he’s been going on them on and off for years now, but the most dangerous time for an opiate addict is when he’s starting up again after not using for a while.
AA+ Bonds
I think it’s pretty clear by now that Stratfor is both
1) a bunch of dangerous mercenary lunatics joined at the hip to supposedly democratic governments
2) a fucking incompetent unsecured joke of a company full of slobs who all think of themselves as George Smiley meets Peter Thiel
gaz
Every Democratic Pol needs to simply repeat these lines:
They promised to focus on jobs. Instead we got focus on contraception.
Instant majority control of our govt
Soonergrunt
@AA+ Bonds: I remember that discussion now. Thanks for refreshing my memory. Well, the short answer for me is that I post about things I want to post about.
AA+ Bonds
Stratfor, Xe, etc. are really just the latest in a long, long line of private-sector ratfuckers who mingle with the three-letter boys and do all the nastiest secret-war business
Nowadays of course the philosophy of Total Information Awareness is a fantasy and Stratfor takes the same tack as government intelligence agencies: prove the paranoid correct through indiscriminate harassment of everyone and hope it keeps the real problems frightened long enough for agents to cash out and buy convertibles
AA+ Bonds
@Soonergrunt:
I completely understand and for what it is worth I both enjoy your posts and respect very much what you do for a living with the VA
grape_crush
From Dave Weigel’s Twitter feed:
“How long has it been since Richard Cohen wrote anything of value? I’m only 30. I may have missed it.”
washingtonpost.com/opinions/andrew-breitbart-a-bomb-thrower-without-ideas/2012/03/05/gIQAsOiYtR_stor…
Soonergrunt
@AA+ Bonds: Thanks! I’m one of the luckiest guys on earth. Every morning, I get up and say to my self “I GET to go to work,” unlike a lot of people, including me in my last job, “I HAVE to go to work.”
Brachiator
@AA+ Bonds:
Don’t much care about Fox. Your point is noted that “taking down” Anonymous is much like announcing a victory in the war on drugs. However, my point stands that the FBI and other agencies are focusing some serious effort on these people.
As an aside, I guess I have to make explicit an implication of my posting the Gizmodo link and noting that the author of the piece knows some of the hackers. A lot of people in tech are at the least sympathetic with Anonymous and other individuals and groups. Techies vs conventional law enforcement, which has to rely on techies. Who do you think has the advantage in the long game?
Geez, can’t we talk about something more interesting, like the hacked Christina Hendricks photos?
AA+ Bonds
@Brachiator:
. . . in fact, if you pick the tiny amount of truth out of the Fox story what you discover is that the Feds caught Sabu because of three things:
1) Sabu stupidly signed on to the Lulzsec channel without masking his IP, knowing full well the channel was under surveillance as he reminded the rest of the group many times
2) Sabu stupidly discussed stolen credit cards on Facebook, a site whose owners have no problem giving cops anything they want on anybody without a subpoena (this led to the initial lesser charges against him)
3) Another black hat doxed Sabu (posted his name and home address)
This was less Jack Bauer and much more one of those “stupid crook” stories from the New York Post, with the only serious intelligence work done by an independent hacker (assuming that he wasn’t a Fed plant as well which I suppose is possible since they’d never admit they endangered Sabu’s children)
AA+ Bonds
@Brachiator:
I don’t care much about meteorology but I have an umbrella for when it rains
SarahT
@Schlemizel: My keyboard just drowned in iced tea. So worth it.
trollhattan
@Chyron HR:
Sweet Ragin’ Ronnie Reagan Rompin’ on a Rooster, what’s a subscription to troll-name-of-the-day(tm) cost?
becca
@Clime Acts: Maybe, on your search for truth, you could unearth Hoffa.
And I have a few ?’s about JFK, tooalso.
Hop on it!
AA+ Bonds
@Brachiator:
Those are interesting if you’ve never seen large naked breasts before, I guess
Don’t get me wrong, she’s very pretty IMO, but there’s a reason she tried to get Arend to marry her a few weeks after they met, which is that women who look like her are fairly attainable
Once again, not an insult, good all around for everyone involved
Soonergrunt
@Schlemizel: WINNING!
Ben Cisco
@The Other Chuck, dmsilev, and Soonergrunt: I’m being nibbled to death by cats!
AA+ Bonds
The tip to getting pretty but slightly heavy girls as far as I can tell is to mess your hair up and act really high strung at parties, I didn’t know that I was doing anything in particular correct until Hendricks described how she met Arend and that was a Eureka moment for me
Brachiator
@AA+ Bonds:
You keep harping on Fox, and stepping on the significance of your own post.
Look at this story from Ars Technica. Look at all the media outlets who got a piece of the story,not just Fox, but the Chicago Tribune, Bloomberg News, and others; and also note the link to the official FBI press release. There was a lot of preening and prepping of sources behind this. Fox is just one of many, not in any sense exclusive (except in their own PR). I particularly like the NY Times angle.
I wonder where this advance warning came from.
But I’m curious. Do you want to harp on the so-called Fox exclusive because Fox is otherwise so hostile to the Obama Administration? Are you suggesting that there is some love being hidden in the midst of all the hostility?
RE: Don’t much care about Fox.
Fox, to me, is more like a spot of dog excrement on the ground. Easy to spot and walk around it.
AA+ Bonds
@Brachiator:
. . . you’re not following
Fox is the Fed-approved version of events
It always is, because unlike those other sources, Fox sees itself as having an active and heroic role in pushing cop talk
It’s part of their guiding philosophy, which is that other media outlets secretly hate cops and so the only fair thing to do is to exercise conscious bias the other way
And even in that version of events, Sabu basically stumbled into handcuffs
Short memory, dude, because the last federal election proves you wrong
That was Fox’s election and they nearly swept it
I understand that it is disturbing to accept but a lot of people, a LOT of people in America see the Fox version of events as facts, far more than even their viewership numbers would indicate
And they see any other version of events as a conspiracy against their values
So you either consume Fox and understand that version of events or you miss out on about half of what guides this country and keep getting blindsided
Soonergrunt
Netflix just dropped the Rush Limbaugh show.
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
So since there actually is independent corroborating evidence that the US sent a team into Pakistan, attacked a compound there, and left again, what’s your theory? Is it a huge elaborate conspiracy with fake Tweets and fake official protests and retaliation by the Pakistan government?
This is the problem with conspiracy theories — if that US SEAL team whose actions were witnessed by dozens of unrelated residents was not there to kill bin Laden, what’s your alternate explanation for why they were there?
AA+ Bonds
One example: I sincerely doubt that Mitt Romney would have the negatives he has right now if it were not in Ailes’s financial interests to play to the anybody-but-Mitt audience for as long as humanly possible
When Fox News has been an effective tool against your main opponent – and a shift away from that position on their part is due any day now – you ignore them at your peril
Not that I think Romney is going to win but it is pure fantasy to believe that Romney has such high negatives because he’s just a big fat doo doo head, it’s like looking down at a skyscraper with clouds around the 50th floor and wondering aloud how it manages to float around like that
Brachiator
@AA+ Bonds: RE: Geez, can’t we talk about something more interesting, like the hacked Christina Hendricks photos?
Kinda joking, especially since I didn’t provide any links. I think this kind of intrusion is pretty crappy.
For what it’s worth, the most revealing photos are supposedly fake.
Now, the Olivia Munn stuff …
Clime Acts
@Mnemosyne:
Or, if you were at all interested in maintaining a healthy skepticism, you COULD take the position that parts or all of the government story may well be true, or not, in which case you also need to ask why no photos of the body? The U.S. has displayed the photographed remains of other Middle Eastern enemies it has apparently killed. Why not OBL, the alleged mastermind of the worst ever attack on U.S. soil?
“We dumped him to the fishes” just um, doesn’t ring true and you know it.
Brachiator
@AA+ Bonds:
Only in your mind. A lot of media outlets got the story.
You’re confusing Fox’ perception of itself with reality. It is somewhat interesting why the FBI spoonfed Fox, but this apparently is something you’re missing.
As an aside, most of the media kisses law enforcement’s ass. It’s how they get a lot of stories. LA media outlets have been particularly craven (e.g., the Dodger beating victim story).
The last time I checked, the ongoing influence of Fox News is a top and continuing topic here on the Juice and elsewhere. This is hardly “stop the presses stuff.”
Uh, no. The crap that Fox peddles is hardly new. They lay it on thicker than others, and have deep pockets, but it ain’t nearly as deep and mysterious as you want it to be.
Nutella
@AA+ Bonds:
That’s the last straw. It’s pie filter time for AA+ Bonds.
Brachiator
@Clime Acts:
You’re confusing skepticism, which tests and evaluates evidence, with infantile paranoia.
Actually, the only thing we know is that you are upset because you did not get to see the pictures of OBL.
On the other hand, apparently the Muslim world is involved in a huge conspiracy, because otherwise why wouldn’t they say, “OBL died years ago. Here’s the video of the funeral.”
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
Already changing your story, I see. So now that I’ve shown you that there is proof that comes from outside the US government, your story has gone from “Bin Laden was already dead” to “the US is hiding the real story of why they were in Pakistan.”
This is one of the hallmarks of paranoia, by the way — when you’re presented with proof that one of your delusions cannot be true, you immediately pivot to new obsessions and pretend that your earlier delusion never existed. Constantly seeking new ways to support your delusion in the face of contrary evidence is not “skepticism,” it’s paranoia.
Schlemizel
@matryoshka:
GOOD! because it is stuck in mine!
Clime Acts
@Mnemosyne:
You are really an unrelentingly wrong person.
I said “I think” he was already dead. I don’t have any proof, nor did I offer any, you fool.
And you have not offered any proof that Bin Laden is DEAD. Do you have pictures from the raid? Do you have pictures of a dead body? No and no.
When one says “I think” or “I think it likely” or something along those lines it does NOT mean “I know this for certain and have proof.” You only hear those words in your feeble brain when you choose to.
Just like your simple mind tells you to believe what the government says even though THEY offer no proof either.
You’re interestingly inconsistent that way…I have to prove the government is not telling the truth, but the government does not have to prove IT is telling the truth. wtf?
Now you’re throwing around words like “obsessions” and “delusions,” all in the service of running me down personally rather than offering any PROOF of the government story. There is none. People are paid and ordered to tell lies all the time; especially with the U.S. government doing the ordering.
Can you really be this gullible?
All one has to do is maintain a position of “show me.” The government hasn’t shown us anything that proves their story about OBL.
Clime Acts
@Mnemosyne:
Mem: I read your “corroborating evidence.”
Please. There is NOTHING there that proves anything about whether or not OBL is alive or dead. Some Tweeting twits saw some helicopters and heard some “booms” and twitted about it. End of story.
Misdirection much?
And again, why do you throw all your healthy skepticism out the window when it comes to the Obama administration? Why not at least try to appear to maintain a shred of objectivity to lend yourself a little credibility.
burnspbesq
@AA+ Bonds:
Because you’re not leading. Nothing you’ve said in this thread has made a lick of sense.
One of the offshoots of the Sabu connection is that they got the guy who hacked the international conference call. It turns out that it was a 19-year-old kid from Ireland, who snagged the meeting request when a Gardai officer forwarded it from his secure work email to a personal Gmail account. Too feckin’ funny.
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
So why was the US SEAL team there?
You’ve already conceded that something happened that night in Pakistan. The US government says that they killed bin Laden and has given many operational details of what happened that night. The government of Pakistan confirmed what the US said. Even al-Qaeda said that bin Laden was killed by the US.
At this point, it is your job to prove that the government is lying, not the government’s job to somehow come up with some level of proof that you will believe in addition to all of the other direct and indirect evidence. Their story is plausible and has a great deal of corroborating evidence. You’ve got jack shit. You don’t even have a theory as to what the alternative story is for why they were there that night.
A knee-jerk belief that the government is lying about everything doesn’t make you smart or cynical. It just makes you more likely to fall for weird, unsupported conspiracy theories.
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
Here is a series of photos taken at the White House on May 1, 2011. Are they all faked? Do they show something other than what they’re labeled as? What is your explanation for their existence?
You can’t just sit on your ass and say, “Well, it’s all fake because I say so.” You have to explain how and why you think it’s fake. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you are making an extraordinary claim that goes against evidence that comes from multiple sources, not just “the government.”