Tomorrow @AMarch4OurLives embarks on a journey like no other. We’re helping to build the largest voter force this nation has ever seen. See ya soon, Chicago. #RoadToChange #MarchForOurLives https://t.co/JknT5pQR1f pic.twitter.com/bxcCXZja6G
— Jaclyn Corin (@JaclynCorin) June 15, 2018
If you think authoritarianism cannot happen here in America, I lived through a time when it already did: to 120,000 Japanese Americans, most of us citizens. It starts by dehumanizing a group, then spreads through fear, ignorance and hate. Recognize the patterns. Remember history.
— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) June 15, 2018
60 Senators who have not sponsored S. 3036, the #KeepFamiliesTogetherAct
Families arriving for asylum should be assessed by lawyers, not ripped apart. Taking children & placing them in detention centers is morally wrong.
All #'s start with 202-224-
Call.#FamiliesBelongTogether pic.twitter.com/TfFQeU3qSK— Tony Stark 2018 ?? (@1IronMan2018) June 15, 2018
235 Republicans in the House.
51 Republicans in Senate.
Let’s be clear about something-our current immigration crisis isn’t about Democrats.
The kids in detention centers and families torn apart is about…
1 @realdonaldtrump in the White House.
— Rep. Ted Deutch (@RepTedDeutch) June 15, 2018
“Women’s rights are human rights.” “Gay rights are human rights” –@HillaryClinton at the UN 1995 and 2011.
But both sides are the same. https://t.co/p3ndm7sWTt— ??????Lisa Talmadge ?? (@LisaTalmadge) June 15, 2018
Trump has said and done some of the most despicable things of his presidency or any presidency in the last few weeks, and not a single elected Republican has done anything about it.
The only way this changes is if their party suffers total defeat in November.
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) June 16, 2018
paradox
[burps]
Platonailedit
Mark
I wonder how Paul’s first night in jail went. I bet it was a memorable experience. Maybe like the first day of college or boot camp perhaps. Lot’s of new people to meet. New outfits.
I wonder what he thought of the night time jail noises, the screams of the mentally ill and such. Must be about breakfast time. All that yummy nutritious food. Lingering at the chow table to enjoy a nice cup off coffee with the lads. Off to a morning shower and then may back to bed to peruse the local paper.
I wonder if the Buffoon even gave old Paul a second thought last night.
m.j.
…and remains defeated in every subsequent election.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mark: It’s probably a bit different than the picture you paint, he’s in the VIP section of the jail.
MaI naem mobile
@Mark: there’s a story on Raw Story that Manafort is probably on suicide wstch. As a human being I feel for his family who I am sure love him etc. but beyond that I am a little worried about Manafort lasting long enough to cooperate with Mueller. Maybe I watch too much teevee, add on top Putin’a thuggishmess which gets me a little concerned.
JPL
@MaI naem mobile: Unless he agrees to a witness protection plan, I don’t see him flipping.
TriassicSands
@Platonailedit:
In November, we will get a look at just how stupid, ignorant, racist, and generally depraved many millions of Americans really are. Anyone expecting the total defeat of the Republican Party is, I fear, in for a huge disappointment. If Democrats can win control of the House, they can slow the destruction of our country. The Senate, the far more important body to control is likely beyond the reach of rational, moral human beings this election cycle. And since Republicans appear to be able to accept everything Trump does without so much as batting an eyelash, there doesn’t seem to be any chance that Trump will be held accountable for his crimes.
Should that depress us? It’s no cause for celebration, but rather than let it get us down, it must impress upon us the need for the greatest effort any of us have ever put into politics and elections.
After almost two years of Trump, anyone interested in a just and open society has seen enough to know beyond any doubt that Trump is a disaster as both a president and a human being. I don’t have to dehumanize Trump to accurately describe him. He belongs to a class of human beings who do not (as far as we know) physically murder people themselves (directly), yet still manage to be among the worst that humanity has to offer. There is nothing admirable about Trump. I can’t think of a single positive characteristic that can be fairly attributed to Donald J. Trump. Yet he remains hugely popular among his base. The question is “How many people who are not devoted Trumpists will ignore his obvious failings and vote for Republicans who support the Trump agenda?
OzarkHillbilly
@MaI naem mobile: Manafort doesn’t strike me as the type to go all squishy at the first bump of his new reality, more the type to go into angry denial. “I’ll show them, they can’t do this to me!” Maybe after the jury finds him guilty or his first night in his new forever home, but not now.
?BillinGlendaleCA
A bit of IR weirdness for your morning.
Platonailedit
China: Wise men build bridges but fools build walls.
Mark
@MaI naem mobile: You make some good points. But the Trump justice department is tearing families apart and locking them up as we speak. It’s also the Trump justice department that has locked up Manafort. Hard to find any empathy for a man that two short years ago thought he was on top of the world and was out looking to pedal cabinet positions to the highest bidder.
Chyron HR
@MaI naem mobile:
Fun Fact: One of his loving daughters legally changed her last name a few years ago to escape any association with him.
WereBear
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Love that one.
Kay
This is silly. They’re contractors. They entered into a contract with the federal government, with specific terms, and they can’t do that if the terms include deliberate child abuse. Barring the adults who work there from comforting children and separating siblings are not “quality” problems- they are the terms of the contract and these specific social service contractors accepted those terms. They cannot do that and still claim innocence in this. They HAD to turn down the job if the job included requirements that children be mistreated or they are responsible for the mistreatment.
A quality problem is a deviation from what they’re supposed to be doing. This isn’t a deviation- it’s the federal requirements they accepted when they took the work.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@WereBear: Glad you like it, I’m trying a couple of new things: shoot IR and visual and add some visual back into the IR, and darkening the skies more.
ETA: The same shot was in the “On The Road” Angelino Heights set, but I’ve processed it differently as I described above.
MaI naem mobile
@Mark: its not so much empathy for him,just his family. But that’s not it, I just want him to survive to cooperate with Mueller.
@Chyron HR: Wow,I didn’t know that. @JPL: I hadn’t even thought it the witness protection program but you’re right.
I saw something on twitter that there’s a Trip Advisor/Yelp kind of Facebook page rating jails/prisons. Who knew this shut existed? Anyhow Manaforts jail got very bad reviews.
JPL
Michael Cohen should worry about what’s next for him…
Mueller is still investigating him also..
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-remains-interested-cohen-grand-jury-witness/story?id=55936241
Kay
@JPL:
It sort of makes sense that it would be him, that they gave him all the risky work- the work that could land him in prison. Trump abused him. It’s a sick relationship. Trump treated him like shit and he’s all fucked up too so he not only put up with it, he begged for more. I wonder if the (enforced) distance from the Trump family is allowing him some space to get to where he will see it and look out for himself. He probably has to get outside the crime family orbit and influence before he can see what’s happened to him over the years.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: Look up codependent in the dictionary and you’ll find his picture.
Kay
Some deep-pocketed media compnay should get the contracts between the social service contractors and the federal government – the contracts that govern the child detention facilities. You would want to see what terms the Trump Administration put in there and whether those terms were designed to mistreat children as “leverage”.
This policy was deliberate. They’re holding the children as leverage in order to achieve policy goals. Now we need to know what the contracts to social service providers say, we need to know if they were designed to mistreat children to extract maximum leverage. One of the contractors represented that adult workers were not permitted to comfort children and that siblings were barred from comforting one another. Is that in the contract? Who put it in there?
JPL
@Kay: I just find it interesting that the case was transferred to SDNY. It appears to be who brings charges first. I’m now thinking Mueller, and letting the SDNY charges sit there.
MaI naem mobile
I try and watch a few minutes of Fox and Friends on the weekend just to see what Fox’s talking points are. I had to switch channels today because I just couldn’t handle it with Abby Huntsman playing Fox bimbo. I still don’t understand how Jon Huntsman can work for Trumpov. He always came across as a country club republican not easily swayed by a Trumpov kind .
Schlemazel
We’ll be at the march for our lives on the 25th but someone should tell them that Hennepin is the county Minneapolis is in, it is not a separate place. They should have included St. Paul, the location of the first march and right on the border of Minneapolis.
I am tired of all the speculation about who will flip and who will go to prison. It will be whatever it is and we will still be left with a nation torn in half with a large minority of morons who vote and believe the lies that did the damage
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
We have this crazy-sad criminal case where I live. It’s a group of religious fundamentalists who were ordinary religious extremists and then this faction broke off and it turned into abuse. Two children died and it’s now coming out that the women in the group were abused too. It’s only coming out because the women in the group were charged with the same crimes as the (male) leadership and they were held in separate jails awaiting trial. After a couple months out of the sick environment the women started to come out of it and see the thing they were in. They’ll probably change the charges- the male leaders will probably have charges added relating to abusing both the women and the children and then they’ll have to decide whether to prosecute the women or just put them in the “victim” category completely.
debbie
@MaI naem mobile:
I’ve seen no indication that he has the balls to kill himself.
OzarkHillbilly
@MaI naem mobile: I rather suspect that as Ambassador to Russia Huntsman sees himself as serving his country, not trump. He would be wrong of course, but that is the lie that would make it acceptable.
Kay
@JPL:
Why do people think that’s unusual? Couldn’t it be ordinary? Mueller has to refer any evidence of criminal activity to law enforcement, whether it’s in the scope of his investigation or not. Couldn’t the SDNY issues be out of the scope of his inquiry but still evidence of a crime, therefore referred to the appropriate prosecutor? Mueller can’t find evidence of a crime and just ignore it or bury it- he has to refer it somewhere. I just assumed he’d refer anything outside his scope to other prosecutors.
debbie
@Kay:
I’d like to see exactly where in the contract it states that comforting a distressed child is forbidden.
Anne Laurie
@Kay:
My guess as to the excuse, assuming such rule / norm actually exists: “We’re just trying to prevent sexual abuse of those kiddies by workers, or by older kids.”
I’ve heard teachers & social workers complain about similar rules… they’re like Mike Pence’s notorious “Never be alone with a woman.” In theory, it’s for “protection of the vulnerable”, in practice, it means denying traumatized children comfort / blocking women from networking. The only one protected are the powerful rule-makers.
(But if you complain, well, are you in FAVOR of kiddie-diddlers, you MONSTER?!?)
Thoughtful David
I think it’s time to start compiling the names, photos, dates, times, and locations of all of these ICE officers and detention centers. Think of them as concentration camp guards. Them, when the human rights trials come, we’ll have the info we’ll need.
Kay
@JPL:
That’s why the whole theme that there was a “red line” where prosecutors may not go that the New York Times promoted was so ridiculous. Maybe Mueller can’t go to criminal activity in Trump Enterprises, maybe that’s outside the scope of his investigation, but if he finds any he has to refer it to the appropriate law enforcement. Trump has no power to draw a “red line”. If they find illegal activity re: the Trump businesses and Russia (or anywhere else) they have to refer it. They can’t be a party to covering up crime.
Kay
@debbie:
I’m genuinely curious. The Trump immigration policy people seem to be the worst of a bad bunch. What did they contract FOR, exactly?
Would you be shocked if they insisted on terms that less-awful people will see as cruel? They bragged about this policy, people at the top levels bragged about it- Sessions and Kelly. So let’s see the contracts. MSNBC has boatloads of money- they pay the anchors millions of dollars a year. Put some of into getting documents.
NotMax
@Thoughtful DAvid et al.
Kidtanamo.
debbie
@Kay:
I would not be surprised at all. This is the behavior of fanatics, not purists. Purists at least would consider the optics of their actions. I see none of that here.
The senselessness of this policy makes me think that Stephen Miller is the driving force. He’s incapable of any sort of deep thinking, only of offending and outraging.
Kay
@debbie:
There might be a wealth of information in the specifics. If federal contracts for social services are like state contracts for social services they had to justify the SIZE of the facility- the number of beds. So did the Trumpsters have a target number? Were there projections? How planned was this?
Remember the Cash for Kids case, in PA? When they built the juvenile facility and then contracted with the county they had to justify the size, and to do that they had to have projections of the number of kids who would be sent there. That was part of the case against the judges, because the projections were really high.
Baud
@TriassicSands: Good comment.
Immanentize
@Thoughtful David: Just like in Germany in the 40’s the government will keep records for us. But photographs certainly help.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: Codependency is strange, it sneaks up on you. At first it’s just a little off the wall, a dissonance that one can’t quite put a finger on. And then all of a sudden one finds oneself just trying to hold things together for another day, doing everything just to survive another day. One has no idea how it came to this, no memory of all the steps in between, just a sense of impending destruction and a fear of where the blow will come from and what will follow.
And of course the end does come and what follows is not the end, just a bend in the road one can’t see around. And with distance from the situation comes a clarity that was never there before. Cohen is probably seeing things now he never did before. I know I did. Not that I’m very sympathetic to him. He had a natural attraction to criminality that I never did, so I never engaged in any criminal behavior while my ex worked scheme after scheme (that I knew naught of until after, partly thru willful ignorance but also from just complete absorption in survival) which left me desperately trying to make everything feel “normal”. For my sons, yes, but me too.
It is hard to explain how one gets there, much less how all consuming it is.
Kay
@debbie:
I always forget about him, but you’re right. The people on top would be Kelly, Sessions and Miller. Sessions is the most culpable, in my view, because he’s a prosecutor and was an elected official for years. He was a fucking Senator. Donald Trump didn’t corrupt Sessions. Donald Trump just handed him the HUGE power of a AG. He was always a sicko. His cruelty was mitigated by the fact that he was one of 100. Now he’s basically a king, so we’re seeing what was always there.
debbie
@Kay:
I don’t remember that specific case, but this sounds like they’re the ECOT of juvenile detention centers.
Meanwhile, this happened and was a great success. Protesters who made it into the meeting room have been banned from the hotel for life.
News footage last night shows the dance party taking place outside the hotel was also a success. Can’t imagine dancing in this weather, but oh those kids!
Immanentize
@NotMax:
I do not know what this means? I googled it and nada. Help us understand oh master….
Chyron HR
@Immanentize:
Guantanamo for kids.
debbie
@Kay:
Miller was Sessions’ aide back in the day.
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone ? ??
OzarkHillbilly
@Anne Laurie:
I know a lot of teachers and they are acutely aware of how any situation (especially in HS) can spin out of control or be perceived in the wrong fashion. For instance a male teacher can NEVER admonish a female student for dressing in a provocative fashion because if he does it means he was looking, nay ogling. He has to find a female colleague to tell the student to rearrange her clothing.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: That is a wonderful description of codependency — and other challenges. I’mma gonna steal it, K?
I have wondered all this time what Cohen’s wife thinks/knows. Was she always in on the criminality? She must have know about Cohen’s slavish Trump-love. Was she just a Ukranian mob wife who expected shenanigans? Did she ever tell Michael — “that Trump fellow is gonna end up hurting us?”. Lifestyle should buy the story.
Immanentize
@Chyron HR: oh. Of course. Obviously didn’t work for me. Sorry.
ETA. It was the accenting. I read kid•te•na’•mo rather than
Kid•ta’-me•no. I thought, given the internment camps referrences that it was a Japanese word….
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: It was an obvious horseshit line from trump, thinking he could dictate what prosecutors could and could not investigate.
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
It’s almost a catch 22, because as the women come out of it they take back some agency, which then leads to them being ashamed of their part in it. But you can’t do that, I don’t think. You can’t put the “woke” person back in time and then attach accountability because they’re not the same people anymore. They didn’t know what they didn’t know. NOW they know, but that makes them wholly different, and as a practical matter goes to “intent” which is what I imagine their defense counsel will raise. I think it will end up as them getting charged with lesser crimes- reductions, not release- and so treated as both defendants and victims, some compromise that everyone can live with. It’s complicated by the fact that the larger religious group, while fundamentalist, patriarchal and in my view awful, are not criminals, so the women aren’t denouncing the larger group-just the break out faction. They’re still far Right religious, and proudly so. They’ll have to draw this line between “religion” and “cult” and judges will be horribly uncomfortable doing that. They just don’t want that job.
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
It wasn’t “from Trump”. The reporters fed him the line.
They gave him the actual language. They generated a headline he probably liked, that there was a “red line”. They’re terrible- they’re just objectively terrible at covering Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, which was our bad luck in 2016, that they sucked at BOTH. It was like a perfect storm of suckdom.
Immanentize
@Kay:
This reminded me of my days in juvie court when judges had to decide whether to take a kid from religious parents (often Christian Scientists) to allow medical treatment for very serious but emminently treatable health issue. Man, every judge hated those cases so much — they enraged them because they were forced to draw that line.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: I believe a valued commenter here has noted, “The New York Times is garbage”.
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize:
You can’t steal that which is freely given.
rikyrah
I was fired for making fun of Dolt45
https://twitter.com/Rob_Rogers/status/1007802550781923328
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Which valued commenter stole my line?
rikyrah
This is part of why Sherrod Brown is popular
https://twitter.com/SherrodBrown/status/1007316837535711233
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: oh, you’re an “all property is theft” kinda red, huh?
Seriously, thank you for that description and the gift of it.
rikyrah
Cuomo does a good thing. Why did it take so long??
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1007681254806999042
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: That’s a valuable comment right there.
Immanentize
@rikyrah: I love Brown’s past push to get McDonalds to put voter registration information on their tray papers. That is so great!
rikyrah
Once more, for the bleachers
https://twitter.com/magi_jay/status/1007721205439303680
Kay
@Immanentize:
There’s a whole line of cases in Ohio on that, so I assume the men in the cult will go there- one of the charges is not getting medical attention for one of the children who died, but I don’t think it fits. The Christian Scientists cases are illnesses or preventive care- cases where there’s a (somewhat) legitimate judgment call, where one could possibly imagine a scenario where the treatment could not be provided- not emergency care. Not respiratory failure or bleeding out where people are praying instead of calling EMTS and then cover that up for 18 months.
We have a juvenile judge who has been on the bench too long and just rants. I used to find it amusing but now I wish he would retire and put himself out of his misery. He thinks parents who don’t vaccinate should be brought in on neglect if the kid gets whooping cough. It’s tricky. I mean, I personally would agree but that is going nowhere :)
Mark
@MaI naem mobile: Now that is funny. Ratings for prisons on Yelp.
Kay
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I don’t want Elizabeth Warren in 2020 because they hate her. I can tell. Political media hate her. I’m not going thru this again. They’ll never admit they hate her and we’ll just go around and around again.
They don’t like Sherrod Brown either, so just take him off the list. It’s easier. They like Gillibrand so she can stay in.
rikyrah
More of this, please
https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/1007712784333893632
rikyrah
@Kay:
You are so practical, Kay.
Kay
@rikyrah:
I want to switch focus to election day registration and automatic registration. Ohio can do this! They have a ballot process to make it law. It worked once before, with early vote. They coupled it with the ballot measure overturning the anti-union law so labor passed both petitions, along with the Obama campaign people. Synchronize! Efficiency, rikyrah. We need to get better at this :)
We need a new plan. This is a good plan. I’m tired of being on defense. New, proactive and positive voter laws.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay:
We owned a 2 family on the south side of STL. We had 2 elderly gentleman for tenants. My ex was “helping” them deal with things, like “house cleaning”, “shopping” etc. After I left it took me a couple weeks, maybe a month to realize that now that my ex couldn’t count on me for all the cash she needed, these 2 gentlemen were ripe for the pickings. So I called the MO Dept of Health and Senior Services. I told the nice lady who I was, who the 2 gentlemen were and why I was calling. She transferred me to the assigned case worker. They had had an Elder Abuse file opened and assigned for almost a year. Among the many things the caseworker told me was the fact that she had already stripped them of their life savings and had just recently opened a PO Box in their name and sent the change of address to SS with the obvious plan of intercepting their checks. The caseworker was working with the Postal authorities to catch her in the act. He had also been trying to get them out of their for months with no success.
I felt sick to my stomach. Right under my nose and I had no idea. He never suspected me of any involvement (for reasons) but that didn’t make me feel any better.
Long story short, he asked that I write a letter of eviction in the hopes it would help to get them out. I did, and it did. My ex was never prosecuted for any of these crimes.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: All of them Katie, all of them.
rikyrah
@Mark:
You just made me laugh???
Spanky
@rikyrah: I check out the Post-Gazette (my hometown paper) pretty regularly, so I saw that as the news broke. Meaning that I’m reading the PG’s own reporting of the story, and it looks like the paper is not holding back on reporting it, which makes me wonder at what’s going on inside the editorial offices there. Something else is likely to shake out there, and since the PG leans (pretty far) right, I’m not hopeful that it will improve.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Tell it, Kay???
And , this is another example of why Hayes stays losing?
rikyrah
@MaI naem mobile:
Yelp review of prisons???
sdhays
@OzarkHillbilly: He was apparently contemplating suicide not long before he joined the Trump Campaign, so who knows?
rikyrah
@Kay:
You are absolutely right, Kay.
rikyrah
@Thoughtful David:
Do not disagree.
rikyrah
@Kay:
He is living out his White Supremacist fantasies. This is what he has dreamed about.??
MomSense
@OzarkHillbilly:
That is such a perfect description. I’ve lived it.
@Anne Laurie:
Yes, those were the rules when I was teaching. These policies are designed to prevent abuse by people who shouldn’t be working with minors.
OzarkHillbilly
@sdhays: We’d all be far better off if he had followed thru at that time.
rikyrah
@Kay:
I am from a state that has both, and I think that they are both great. Automatic just passed. We are just beginning to feel the effects of automatic.
MomSense
Here’s an interesting thread discussing decades of GOP, Russia, and Evangelical connections. Thought I’d bring it here to see what Jackals make of it.
How one man influenced the Republican Party’s transformation into the Grand Old Putin Party
sdhays
@OzarkHillbilly: According to Newt Gingrich, that’s true. But I don’t know – I’m a skeptical that Manafort made the difference. If it hadn’t been Manafort, they would have found someone else to wrangle the delegates, and I think Manafort’s success had less to do with his competence and more to do with the fact that the disease had already completely overtaken the Republican Party. Trump still would have been the nominee.
Kay
@rikyrah:
He can’t just keep calling individual witnesses. He has to look for a policy, rules, or it will always be excused as a “quality” issue. Which one of the nutjobs, specifically, put this in? Don’t ask Trump. He’s a waste of time. He lies constantly and he doesn’t understand anything about the federal government. Sessions was a Senator. He’s the AG. He knows how it works.
rikyrah
What?the?Phuck?
https://twitter.com/metaquest/status/1007693851857833984
rikyrah
FYI,
The kids are contacting local voting jurisdictions and asking them for staff to put up tables/ booths at their events, so that the voter registration applications get directly with the local voting jurisdiction as soon as possible.
Bravo, kids.?
OzarkHillbilly
@sdhays:
And that would have no effect at all on the fact we’d all be better off if Manafort had offed himself back then. ;-)
Kay
@MomSense:
Thank you- I’ll read it. The general conservative “movement” alignment with Putin’s Russia (and authoritarian governments in general) is under-explored in this. Were you surprised AT ALL when we started to see the NRA connections?
I told you (I think) that my husband picked it up- asked me if I saw it. He was reading a piece about how conservatives in Russia had gutted domestic violence laws based on “a return to the traditional family” and he said it sounded like far Right religious here. That would also align with the nutjob Right faction who talk about how they are forced to be celibate because women find them repulsive. They blame feminism for their inability to attract female partners.
MomSense
@rikyrah:
This is why America shouldn’t elect the biggest asshole at the country club president.
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
@MomSense: Gross, he’s a creepy looking fucker.
Mary G
This is a compilation of a Twitter thread by Ethan Grey about how white culture can facilitate racism due to norms of civility and “not making a scene” within families.
This was certainly true in my family when we were in contact with them. My mother the “radical” would yell at them for using the n word and they would get all huffy and tell her that she was being rude. A major reason why I live in California – my parents didn’t want me to grow up in that environment.
rikyrah
Reminder about Dolt45 and Paulie
https://twitter.com/Our4thEstate/status/1007788603823439872
MomSense
@Kay:
I wasn’t surprised at all but I’ve been following evangelical connections since grade school when I first heard my dad speaking at a conference about the evangelical think tanks with fake historians that were inserting the bullshit founding as a Christian nation into colleges, universities, etc through think tanks.
MomSense
@Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:
They all have the weirdest hair! What’s with the banana colored combovers?
Also Putin has had so much work done to his face, he’s starting to look like a burn victim. He’s like half a dozen procedures away from Sylvester Stallone’s territory.
People, just age. All these injectibles and lifts look freakish.
rikyrah
Marshall is not wrong
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1007720437692891137
Immanentize
I like numbers and with all the caveats about polling, this article at 538 is very interesting regarding where and how much Trump’s approval has sunk spoiler — everywhere but not as much some places as others)
LINKY
rikyrah
story about Bobby Three Sticks trying to protect info from falling into the wrong hands
https://twitter.com/AliceOllstein/status/1007701322940997633
Cheryl Rofer
@MomSense: I don’t know Patrick Simpson or Edward Lozhansky. My go-to person for this on Twitter is Casey Michel, whose Twitter handle is @cjcmichel.
I can’t find much on Simpson by searching, which always raises questions in my mind. “Independent reporter,” as he calls himself on Twitter, could mean anything. This all could be reliable, but I can’t research it, so I’ll ignore it for now. We are living with such a torrent of information that this is my way of triage. If I’m not acquainted with a person’s work, or if I know them to be willing to jump to conclusions, I just ignore them. If they come up with something confirmed and meaningful, I’ll take a look.
The reports I find reliable, but incomplete, as is much of what is unwinding in the story of Russian influence on our politics, have to do with Russian influence on the NRA. NPR has been doing a good job on this, as has McClatchy. It looks to me like that would be a good route into the Republican Party. There are also large and unaccounted-for sums of money involved.
MomSense
@Cheryl Rofer:
I don’t know him either but I do know the names and some of the connections.
Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Nice work, Billin. Parts are like a “Snowy LA” series, very nicely rendered. (Also, I can’t believe you got that shot of the LA skyline against the SG mountains with a 200mm lens. I thought for sure it musta been 600, 800mm.)
chris
@rikyrah: I watched Katy Tur’s show yesterday. She’s got the right idea and I kept expecting her to slip and call him a fucking liar. I would not be a good TV interviewer.
To my surprise the same thing was happening on CNN. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/15/trump-fox-intv-baldwin-call-out-nr.cnn
Elizabelle
@TriassicSands: Good morning to you too, Sunshine.
Uncle Ebeneezer
I made the mistake of engaging with a Libertarian on a friend’s FB page about how fundamentally racist Libertarianism is. The best part was her belief that the only reason the Libertarian Party gets only 4% of Black voters is because they just don’t know enough about them!! Rather than say, because Libertarians oppose public schools, affirmative action, anti-discrimination laws, wealth redistribution, reproductive rights etc. No if the Media would just let Gary Johnson into more debates, minority voters would surely, en masse, support Libertarians!
Cheryl Rofer
@MomSense: The connections are the usual suspects – Flynn, Rohrabacher, Weldon. I don’t see Simpson making a connection between them and Lozhansky that makes Lozhansky a significant player. Good to keep the name in mind, though.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
Yes.
No. Think about the people involved. Ryan and McConnell might, maybe, hijack this as a bargaining chip. The people who ordered it did it because they’re sadistic racists. If they thought they could get away with shoveling immigrant children into ovens, they’d be doing that.
@Kay:
Christ, yes. Over and over, when Trump is being asked questions by the press, I’ve watched someone feed him ‘When are you going to fire Mueller?’ variations. They are egging him on, daring him to do it.
JPL
Just returned from the vet. The poor mutt has been suffering from allergies this year, and developed a skin infection.
@OzarkHillbilly: What a terrible situation that was for you.
JPL
@Frankensteinbeck: I want congressional democrats to march in front of Congress with signs demanding a vote to protect the children. If they don’t they will be faced with a horrible bill, and look like they are obstructionists.
rikyrah
Yes. Make these muthaphuckas tell you what LAW mandates this EVIL?
https://twitter.com/RainforestMoon/status/1007705292900130818
MomSense
@Cheryl Rofer:
There’s also an Orthodox Church connection I first became aware of when we were in the Balkans all those years ago. The connection is much older than that though.
Gelfling 545
@rikyrah: I’m not seeing the point. It’s not like one gets to choose!
OzarkHillbilly
@JPL: Meh. I learned a lot about myself, my weaknesses, how easy it was to lie to myself, how avoidance can be even more destructive than confrontation, etc etc.
Baud
@JPL: The Dreamer debate showed that Dems aren’t going to be intimidated by cruel tactics.
D58826
@Frankensteinbeck: Difference between Jeff Sessions and the GRAND DRAGON of the KKK is to small to measure.
MomSense
@OzarkHillbilly:
Damn. Same for me.
J R in WV
@JPL:
He may have to buy a witness protection plan for his family, and suck up his own prison sentence. If he has the cojones for that option. He may be too selfish to agree to that.
He’s way too guilty of terrible crimes he probably can’t be prosecuted for here for me to have any sympathy for him or his family. I read somewhere a not very supportive remark from a daughter about Paul’s professional career, so I have a soft spot for her, but as for him, just nope.
OzarkHillbilly
@OzarkHillbilly: Tried to edit, didn’t work. Not so much avoidance, but rather acceptance after confrontation had failed to work time after time.
chopper
@MomSense:
they’re all cloned from the same cell line as trump, apparently. deep in the russian taiga, at a secret biofacility…
JPL
@OzarkHillbilly: I want the democrats to learn the lessons that you did. They need to confront the assholes. If signs don’t work, I’m okay with pitch forks.
germy
Roseanne went on another MAGA twitter rant last night, according to RawStory.
Here’s a recent interview with Tiffany Haddish:
Hollywood Reporter
OzarkHillbilly
@MomSense: It’s a twice told tale for those of us who have lived it.
OzarkHillbilly
@JPL: Torches, tar and feathers, poles for riding….
Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)
@Mark:
If the rumors of him being on suicide watch are true, most likely he’s in a solitary holding cell with a steel cot & sink/fountain/toilet combo and being served meals through a slot in the door.
Having been in one a few years ago (DUI arrest), the worst part of it is the isolation.
No clock, no TV, no idea whether it’s noon or midnight, no distractions at all.
Kay
Two short weeks ago the baby snatchers were sending Kelly and Sessions out to brag about this policy and practice and now they’re too cowardly to use their names?
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Exactly. The two immigration bills the Congress is going to vote on next week are both terrible. Both gut legal immigration by 50% or more. They should be DOA. Rs have gone full bore bigot. There can be no bipartisanship with bigots.
OzarkHillbilly
@Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman):
There’s always the cockroaches. They can be entertaining once one overcomes the revulsion..
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: This is Kelly’s brainchild he had floated it several times when he was the DHS secretary. At that time he still had the undeserved reputation of being a grown-up.
germy
@OzarkHillbilly:
“But enough about this administration…”
schrodingers_cat
@OzarkHillbilly: OT gardening question. How does one make leaf mulch. I have a lot of leaves, how do they become mulch?
OzarkHillbilly
@schrodingers_cat: I can’t help but think of the children. They are hostages here. As much as I abhor it, I come down on the side of getting the children back with their families, then work like hell to take over the House, and then hold the budget spigot hostage in return. Don’t give them funding for anything they want until they undo some of these horrible things.
Turnabout is fair play.
tobie
@rikyrah: I wrote about Marshall’s take on the IG report on a dying thread last night. Who is to say that IG Horowitz is an honest broker? He acted like Trump loyalist when he decided to excerpt a portion of the report on McCabe before the report itself was finished to ensure that McCabe could be deprived of his retirement. Do we really know if there’s going to be an IG report on the FBI’s NY office? Will agents be named and their emails scrutinized in the same manner that Strzok’s were? It’s pretty shocking for the IG report to suggest that the FBI gave too much priority to Russian counterintelligence operations. It’s even worse to equate that threat with questions about Clinton’s email practices. I’ll wait and see if he issues a second report but right now I’m feeling pretty skeptical.
raven
@schrodingers_cat: Our blower also has a vacuum attachment that grinds leaves into a finer composition. I think my bride just puts leaves on her beds without grinding and that is mulch.
schrodingers_cat
@OzarkHillbilly: That’s exactly the reaction the Rs are looking for. The bills also want to give ICE powers to incarcerate anyone (citizen, permanent resident, anyone) on mere suspicion. Its also strips away due process rights from the wrongly detained. So no, we try to get the children without slitting the throats of other immigrant populations. You cannot negotiate with the Nazis. If you do it will embolden them to do worse.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
The anti-immigrant fervor among leadership on the Right needs more exploration. They’re white supremacists, sure, but they’re also kleptocrats and greedy as hell. There’s a money motive in here somewhere. This has to accrue to the benefit of a small group of rich people, or it wouldn’t have such broad support on the Right. There is some reason they don’t want labor to cross borders, and it isn’t protecting US wages.
germy
Looking for a Forever Home:
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: I agree. There’s a reason we don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
Not the voters- not their reasons for supporting this. People like Kelly and Sessions and Mercer and Putin. The leaders.
They want people to stay put. Why?
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: BTW, it’s a good thing they aren’t proposing to collect metadata also or people would be up in arms.
OzarkHillbilly
@schrodingers_cat: Start with a leaf shredder. I have the Worx and am happy with it. Shred all the leaves, add blood meal to the pile from time to time (for the nitrogen, never add mown grass to much chance of seeds and you aren’t truly composting it so you won’t kill them) , water it from time to time, turn the pile over once a week or more, by the end of winter you should have passable leaf mulch.
It is time consuming, and more than a little work, so it would probably make more sense to get some from a composting facility or if your city has a yard wast facility they probably have some available for free to all residents.
germy
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: Marx had a theory about this, the reserve army of the unemployed. It keeps the labor already here pliable. That and their bigotry is not for show, they truly believe the vile stuff they spout.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@tobie: From Marshall’s piece. I’d wager a significant sum that with enough investigators, and maybe requiring some Girl With the Dragon Tattoo tech magic, a connection would be found between the Russians and a whole passel of useful idiots among those “formers” and Rudi Giuliani, and from there to Jason Chaffetz and Trey Gowdy, and Nunes
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: A metal impeller is important if you use a leaf blower.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I guess we dodged a bullet or should I say drone?
OzarkHillbilly
@schrodingers_cat:
I know it. I do it anyway. Than I slit their throats.
@Kay: As best I can tell, it’s just about drumming up the racists so they can get into office and then they and their masters steal everything they can. They don’t care about anything else.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: Heh.
germy
@OzarkHillbilly: My wife came home recently with a bag of epsom salt. Someone told her to use one teaspoon per gallon of water on her roses.
I’m skeptical. Doesn’t salt kill plants?
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I hate to bring it up but think about this- they freaked out and completely bungled the Clinton matter because she was high profile and a presidential candidate. How can they possibly handle issues with a sitting President? They’ll be totally tied up in knots. Lynch didn’t do anything wrong and they absolutely lost their minds over Republican criticism of how the meeting with Clinton “looked”. They’ll handle the Trump investigations BETTER than that? No they won’t. If they couldn’t handle Clinton Trumo will absolutely terrify them.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: I don’t need one as I don’t bother mulching twigs and branches, I have 11 more acres I can throw them into. I almost went that way but I just want the leaf mulch so it would have been a waste of money for me.
hilts
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette fired award-winning editorial cartoonist Rob Rogers
A statement from the Association of American Cartoonists
h/t http://news.editorialcartoonists.com/aaec/2018/06/rob-rogers-fired-a-statement-from-the-association-of-american-cartoonists-.html
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
But Putin doesn;t have to worry about voters. Why doesn’t he want people to cross borders to work? How does that benefit him?
waysel
@Kay: My guess is the ‘no touching’ language has been in place before the current atrocity, simply to protect the children from sexual abuse. Sad, but probably necessary and probably language added in the last 20 years by us liberals as child sexual abuse has become more publicized. These may be the same contractors and contracts that were in place pre Nov 2016 to cover unaccompanied minors crossing the border. It would be nice if some deep pockets media would investigate this. And, as someone above said, Kelly and Sessions would certainly have added these stipulations out of sheer cruelty, had they not already been in place.
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
What if it’s more about keeping people IN certain places than keeping them out of other places? They are “protectionists” that seems clear, I’m just not sure what they’re protecting. Themselves, most likely.
OzarkHillbilly
@germy: Too much salt does, but the teaspoon/gallon won’t. it adds needed minerals that some soils lack. It is a cure for blossom end rot on tomatoes so I do it about once a month as a preventative and more if I see signs of it. Did not know it was good for roses too, but certainly not surprised.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: He wants to bring us down to his level. A government that incarcerates the most vulnerable. Cut it down to size. Make it an Evil Empire and get rid of the pretense of the shining city on the hill.
Look at what this administration is doing with respect to tariffs, immigration, treaties etc. We are on a fast track to pariah status. BTW pariah is an untouchable caste in southern India, that’s the etymology of that word.
germy
@OzarkHillbilly: Good to hear.
I was concerned because people are always giving my wife garden advice, some good, some bad.
Josie
@Kay:
Anything that puts Americans in such vitriolic opposition to each other weakens our democracy and benefits him.
tobie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Unfortunately none of the stuff about the NY Office made it into the report, even though we now know that agents from that office contacted Devin Nunes 2 to 4 days after the cache of emails on Weiner’s computer was discovered. Evidently leaks like that are a-okay with the IG. Regarding McCabe, IG Horowitz acted in such an unprofessional way that I have little reason to believe he’ll fill in the gaping hole in this report. I also think his recommendation that FBI agents not make political contributions is absurd and arguably unconstitutional. My suspicion is that like Comey Horowitz believes he’s the last upstanding man in DC and this makes him blind to his own biases. I’m so sick of goody-two-shoes and that’s how I would characterize Horowitz.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: trump owns 30-40% of the public, and another good chunk (of white poeple) won’t care are as long the economy– their own circumstances– is better than catastrophic. Again, it all comes back to November. I’m pretty confident that if Schiff and Nadler can get the likes of DJTJ, Manafort and George Nader under oath and on camera, people confused by the printed word won’t like what they see. Hell, I want Strozk under oath being asked why he thought the FBI would stop trump. I would love to see Ted Lieu grilling beady-eyed weasel Jason Chaffetz
Kay
@waysel:
Social workers here comfort and touch children. They’re not contractors, they are county employees but they regularly hug kids. I’m not as demonstrative- I give kids a lot of space unless they know me, but they will move and sit really close when I’m interviewing them and even get on my lap if they like me and they’re tiny. The protection they insist on (and they should) is they aren’t alone with kids. That protects both the adult and the child. They also don’t forbid contact between siblings. They actually bend over backwards to keep sibs together.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay:
But he does have to worry about keeping the populace in line. He demagogues the “others”, than turns the thugs loose on them (the soccer clubs are rather infamous for their use as enforcers by the regime). Racism is a cheap and easy way to dip into the tribal waters which are never too far away and run very deep. I see it as a tactic used in advancement of other ends.
Which you intimate to @Kay
tobie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I second this fantasy.
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: I wasn’t thinking of you as you know what you are doing!
OzarkHillbilly
@germy: : The internet can be our friend.
CarolPW
@germy: I’ve saw it recommended for use (decades ago) to help rejuvenate old roses. It seems to encourage growth of strong new canes from the base. With judicious pruning out of the old wood (and anything growing below the graft) you can get the roses blooming well again. Tried on some roses inherited from my grandfather and it worked for me.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: I’m not so sure about that.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: Also this benefits Putin financially, check the graph of price of crude since the 2016 election, the prices are inching up.
waysel
@Kay: We used to talk a lot here at BJ about the changing demographics in the US that will permanently displace white folk as the leading power block. Too many minorities vote the ‘wrong’ way. It’s a two fer for our Nazi betters, couples with the need to have some ‘other’ to demonize. Once all the browns are gone, white liberals will be next for the ovens. It’s all in the fascist playbook.
germy
@CarolPW: Sounds good. My wife has created a rose garden.
Her most recent addition is a rose variety named after Coretta Scott King.
schrodingers_cat
@OzarkHillbilly: @raven: Thanks for the great info. Gardening sure is an expensive hobby.
germy
@OzarkHillbilly:
I notice that whenever I “google” something, I see all sides of the argument. For example:
“Google! Is one baby aspirin a day beneficial?”
[google result]: “One baby aspirin a day will cure everything from heart disease to cancer”
[google result]: “There is no evidence daily baby aspirin will help anything; may actually be harmful”
There’s a ton of good info on the internet, mixed in with all the noise, cranks and bad-faith sales pitches.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: What is your take. The 180 degree turn that the official R party has made since T’s ascension regarding immigration is giving me a whiplash.
Platonailedit
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@raven: @schrodingers_cat: I have run over leaves with a bagging mower and dumped them in garden beds for mulch. Not necessarily good for the mower, but not an additional investment.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I just caught Harwood on Joy Reid’s show calling white identity politics “identity politics”. Here’s hoping the obvious catches on amongst his fellow VSPs (and I mean no slam at Harwood, he’s one of the better ones)
schrodingers_cat
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: John Harwood has been one of those rare MSM journalists who has called out T and his fellow Rs on their BS right from the get go, by which I mean the election cycle of 2016.
germy
O. Felix Culpa
I don’t know if we have any BJ folks in the El Paso area, but Indivisible El Paso and Beto O’Rourke are having march to Tornillo, the Trump tent city for children that just opened, tomorrow starting at 9:30 am.
Steve in the ATL
@Kay: you are en fuego today!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I don’t know Davis, but I’d love to see that note. Tapper’s better than some*, but I’ll never forget, among other things, his public scolding of Obama for criticizing his “sister network”, the people who had not long before run a chyron under Michelle Obama’s picture identifying her as “Barack’s Babymama“.
And checking google to confirm I didn’t imagine that, I see that it happened on Megan Kelly’s show. Once again, Andy Lack, hold your head up high!
* and if one of your peers is Chuck Fucking Todd, you’d better be better than at least one, but Tapper’s been on my radar since I was a regular Salon reader back in the 90s, and he’s almost as infatuated with his own insider-y status as the Gormless Wonder of MTP
Gelfling 545
@JPL: I had to move the late Snarla to grain free food as she had terrible skin allergies. Apparently grains – including grass – were at the bottom of it. Keeping an eye on the current Flora in case. So far, so good. Hope your pup feels better soon.
zhena gogolia
Dana Milbank is shrill in WaPo.
Gelfling 545
@germy: Epsom salts is recommended by many for roses. It’s not NaCl. It’s MgSO4.
chopper
@schrodingers_cat:
you chop dried leaves up and put them in a covered bin. keep them moist and over a year or so they’ll turn to leaf mold. it isn’t a hot process, it’s fungal. it basically turns to humus.
WereBear
@germy: This is a source of magnesium, which roses need.
debbie
@schrodingers_cat:
Far easier to live in an apartment and walk around, admiring everyone’s yards!
efgoldman
Is this a real dog? What kind?
Mai naem mobile
@Platonailedit: i don’t trust Jake Tapper. He was involved with the Monica story. He had a tweet yesterday about Strosk and Pages infamous ‘we’ll stop him text.’ I would like to go through Jake Tappers work anf personal texts and cherry pick some out and throw them out on twitter with zero.context. Fuck these people.
Chuck Todd, on the other hand, i think has been affected viscerally by the Trumpov bestowed Sleepy Eyed nickname with it racial connotations. Chuck’s been woke.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
I don’t know but we’re in an unprecedented situation so I would like to see some fanciful analysis! :)
Don’t you feel like that? That we can’t jam this into how we always thought before?
When some economists talk about immigration they talk about the movement of labor. Trade, essentially, and this is harsh but just trading in labor rather than goods. So the Right wing went hard protectionist on both the movement of goods and the movement of labor. And it wasn’t just the US! Internationally. Hard Right authoritarians are cracking down on trade.
I don’t know why. But it’s more than “we don’t like brown people”. It’s about something they want, not something they don’t want (immigrants).
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
I read that exactly the opposite way. It can’t be rooted in kleptocracy, or it would not have such broad support on the Right. Kleptocracy is only one branch. The base is only into kleptocracy to the extent of Cleek’s Law. We have to face that rich people are no smarter, no more rational and logic driven, no more motivated by economic anxiety than poor people. If anything, they’re so protected from their own mistakes that they are free to let out their id. This is mean, racist assholery. There’s a little disagreement between the ones who want to keep minorities around to be abused and those who want to get rid of them, but it’s not so great they’ll make a fuss over it. As long as minorities are hurt.
Think of Trump. He’s a greedy, corrupt asshole. Seriously, seriously greedy and corrupt. But that doesn’t significantly affect his racist policies. If anything, they are mildly self-defeating. He just wants to hurt minorities, hurt them as badly as possible. Trump is the Republican Party, and that includes the rich ones.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
It started before Trump:
They tried it as an issue before. Their horrible pundits were all pushing it in the mid-2000’s. It didn’t really work for them then. Then Obama happened and it was put away for a while but now it’s back and it’s much, much bigger. Now it’s their official position instead of the far Right pundit position and some freaks in the House.
Mnemosyne
@Kay:
Here in California, it was called Prop 187 It ended up destroying the California Republican Party as political force and now Democrats control most of the state at every level.
National Republicans probably should have taken that lesson, but they’re not very smart.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
Michelle Malkin is Trump. She was the Trumpist on immigration the last time they rolled this out. It kind of flopped because there was a D wave in ’06 and then Obama in ’08 and ’12. But Trump didn’t invent anything.
efgoldman
@Mnemosyne:
Why should they? It’s working for them, short term
JPL
@Gelfling 545: Thanks for the recommendation, and I might try that even though the mutt’s problem appear to be seasonal. He could be mildly allergic to his food, and with the addition of pollen it could have just exploded. .
Mnemosyne
@efgoldman:
It worked for CA Republicans short term, too. Until it abruptly stopped working.
efgoldman
@Mnemosyne:
They don’t think long term, and definitely don’t learn from history
Miss Bianca
@efgoldman: I’ve seen that image before, or one like it. I’m sure the dog is a Pomeranian, with a teddy-bear haircut!
ETA: Comme ca (more examples): https://www.pinterest.com/pin/295830269249591923/
Jim, Foolish Literalist
so true: Demagoguing about immigration, “voter fraud’, race-baiting, culture wars, fear-mongering about overhyped threats foreign and domestic, all that ground was prepared for trump since Reagan and Gingrich. The difference between trump and Establishment republicans was: 1) he said the quiet parts loud because 1a) he didn’t/doesn’t give a shit what George Will much less Cokie Roberts and Tom Friedman think of him and 2) he promised to protect, even strengthen, the social safety net. 1) won him the nomination, 2) won him the electoral college
Kay
@Steve in the ATL:
Comey with his “I pray that no one ever encounters a situation where they have to investigate a candidate for President”
Ummmm, buddy? They’re investigating a sitting President. And he has a huge pack of screeching howler monkeys who work as hard as they can to protect him every day. This is much, much more difficult than Lynch on the plane with Bill Clinton and they completely and utterly failed with that.
I pray too. I pray they miraculously get much better in the next 15 minutes. If they think Clinton was touchy and fraught wait until they meet the MAGA’s.
JPL
@Kay: I’m glad EFG is back, because he can express his thoughts about Comey, better than I.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
when the right was (ultimately successfully) blowing the “tarmac meeting” up into a scandal, I dismissed it. Talking to my NAL sister a few days later, I mentioned that I couldn’t believe they were still talking about it. She said when she heard the first report on the car radio she had to pull over cause she knew it wasn’t going away. She was right.
efgoldman
@JPL:
Not sure I am.. I feel like shit. I need a visiting nurse and home health aide, and they won’t start until next week. Meanwhile poor, overworked mrs efg has had to do stuff neither of us ever thought she would.
As for the lastest man of integritude in DC?
Fuckem
StringOnAStick
I did some phone banking yesterday for the D primary for governor (CO); I was calling for Cary Kennedy. I’d say 95% of my calls were to answering machines, so useless for the most part (the campaign has decided not to leave messages yet). Of the people I reached, they either didn’t want to say who they supported for the primary, or they were supporting who I was calling for except for one. One older fellow with a Muslim first name wanted to let us know he was very, very unhappy about D ads attacking each other “when we should be focusing on winning so we can opposed the buffoon in chief!”. We don’t watch network TV so we aren’t seeing any of the ads in our house; I asked the volunteer coordinator what this man was referring to. She said a PAC not affiliated with Kennedy’s campaign ran a negative ad against Polis, and the Kennedy campaign asked them to stop and they did. Now Polis has an ad out conflating the negative ad to the Kennedy campaign and using that to attack her. Not helpful.
When I volunteered at the D state assembly it was obvious that most of Polis’s support was on stage with him, whereas Kennedy had a LOT more support in the audience and plenty on stage. I hope that is the case because Polis is basically the Congressman from Boulder, and the rest of CO ain’t Boulder. I would rather he stay in Congress because we need his liberal voice there, though I can see why anyone would rather be in office here in CO than in DC. I really don’t think he can win state-wide because of anti-gay sentiment in our benighted hinterlands; Denver and Boulder is another story. Polis is quite well off and is spending a lot to attack Kennedy, and my fear is the ensuing damage will hurt D chances in the general. I hope this primary wraps up with as little damage as possible though I’m sure the attacks will just get worse until June 26 when all ballots have to have been postmarked and received. FSM, I hope we don’t blow this one. We need as many D’s in the governor’s offices as we can get and I don’t want CO to flip. I’ll be back volunteering next week. So far the ballot return rate is looking good.
efgoldman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
They’re still talking about fucking Woodstock and hippies, for christ’s sake.
Don’t ever forget the story from last week (no link, sorry) about how the RWNJ noise machine works.
zhena gogolia
@efgoldman:
I hope things look up when you get the in-home help.
Ruviana
@Kay: I’m reading Masha Gessen’s wonderful book about the rise of Putin and how it came about and it won’t surprise anyone to learn that the Russians used American right wing scholars and religious folk to shape and develop these ideas. A lot of the anti-LGBTQ stuff in Russia began here.
waysel
efgoldman
Maybe a new thread for the 95% who don’t care about soccer?
Zinsky
If Donald Trump were a poor black man, he would be doing 20-30 years of hard time at Attica State Prison in New York. 17 different women have accused this sickening degenerate of sexual assault – 17!! However, because he is a wealthy white male with connections, he doesn’t even have to answer for his assaults – unwanted or forced kissing, groping and fondling of women’s breasts and buttocks. It’s all O.K. because he is a rich white guy. But it really isn’t OK. Make the rapist pay for his crimes!
Mai naem mobile
Anybody watch George Will last night on Bill Maher. Maher apparently admires him as a thinking conservative and has been trying to get him on for 25 years.I am fucking sorry but why the fuckity fuck can George Will show his face and make money punditing when he stole Jimmy Carters debate papers left behind by mistake during some tv appearance. Also he was warning the Dems that Trumpov could happen to the the Dems too in 2020. Maher pushed back on that but Will was sticking by that belief.
waysel
So I don’t know how to copy/paste just the (short) email at my comment #208, but I feel like a lot of folks here would like to read it. If anyone can do that, I would appreciate it.
Miss Bianca
@StringOnAStick: Good for you for fighting the good fight. I’ve been staying out of involvement with the primaries because I don’t have particularly strong feelings one way or another – altho’ I tend to agree with you that I’d rather Polis stayed as a liberal voice in the House. I’ve heard he wants to come back to CO because of his kids…Cary Kennedy looks like the best of the rest, to me.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@waysel: ugh, among all the annoying things about twitter, the un-sourced screen shot of text i one of the worst
Doug R
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
It’s probably protective custody-child killers and rapists, ex-police officers. Not too much time in general population, but lots of time to think about what you’ve done.
waysel
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Do you mean the email may be phony? I’m often careful about that, but I slip up sometimes.
sgrAstar
@MaI naem mobile: Jon Huntsman is a republican apparatchik. He goes where he’s told to go and does what he’s told to do. He’s a conservative semi-mormon republican, not the mythical old-fashioned repub who’s gonna rescue his party from trumpist overreach. None of these people are redeemable. None of them. They’ve all sacrificed whatever honor they once had, to the dream of absolute power.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@waysel: oh no, I trust Miller as a source, but you can’t (at least I can’t) copy those shots
and (I guess unrelated to what you posted) a lot of political writers tweet screen shots like that with no link or attribution, you don’t know if it’s some elected official, an expert, a pundit or their college roommate’s Aunt Millie off of Facebook
Fair Economist
@rikyrah:
He doesn’t get significant primary challenges from the left very often.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: I am aware the white nationalist anti-immigrant brigade, including but not limited all the Tanton think tanks like FAIR and NumbersUSA but there were plenty of pro immigration Rs, like W himself and John McCain in the W presidency.
Miss Bianca
@efgoldman: Seems like every time I am running my ass off doing other things, I come back and find eleventy-million* post threads that I can’t begin to catch up on. And every time I actually have the leisure to follow post threads in real time, that’s when we go hours and hours without a new post. I’m not sure correlation equals causation here, but if it does…I’m sorry.
*not intended as a factual statement.
ETA: Oh, look, new afternoon post! The gods must have heard my grumbling! ; )
waysel
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Thanks. I assumed it was from the IGs report, and it was featured in an LG&M FPers article, so I figured it was legit. I’m not computer savvy enough to know whether or not it was extricable.
sukabi
@germy: Epsom salt isn’t like table salt…magnesium and other things are beneficial for plant growth
Doug R
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Michelle Wolf has a theory about the NY Times OP/ED page.
Citizen Alan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The thing that pissed me off about the tarmac meeting between Lynch and Bill is that he should have fucking known better. I mean, my God, if there is any person on this PLANET who should have known that Republicans can take the most innocuous things and blow them up into ridiculous scandals, it should be Bill Clinton. Same thing with Anthony Weiner. I mean, obviously, it’s gross and disgusting to send unsolicited dick pics, but beyond that, how stupid do you have to be to be a democratic politician and send unsolicited dick pics without realizing of course they’re going to get out and be used for political purposes!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn: Thanks. It’s about 5 miles from the location of the shot to Downtown and about 45 miles to Mt. San Antonio(the mountain in the background), while the lens is 200mm, my camera is not a full frame 35mm so the effective size is about 300mm.
J R in WV
@germy:
Regarding epsom salts on roses, this is the first google result for that query:
To apply a foliar spray, add one tablespoon of Epsom salt to a gallon of water for each foot of bush height. Spray the foliage as soon as the leaves begin to open in spring time and once again when your roses start flowering.
So more than a teaspoon, and epsom salts aren’t the same as table salt… Magnesium Sulfate versus sodium chloride.