Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Let’s finish the job.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

Take your GOP plan out of the witness protection program.

Spilling the end game before they can coat it in frankl luntz-approved dogwhistles.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

He really is that stupid.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

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  1. 1.

    Krista

    And it’s from Texas, no less. That just adds a certain extra soupçon of win to the whole thing, doesn’t it?

  2. 2.

    A.Political

    I’m still taking exception to JC’s derogatory remarks re Canadians and the hockey we play…really John both teams are stacked with les habitants, live with it….but don’t think of it like a Clinton dynasty….go Steelers go!!!

  3. 3.

    merrinc

    I stopped by the Mo-town Obama office this evening but they were all out of t-shirts. Did you buy them all? Lauren gave me one of those awesome Let’s Go Change the World stickers.

    I’m going to check out the Fairmont office tomorrow before canvassing some more in Harrison county and maybe stop by the Beckley office on the way home.

    Don’t you think it would have helped if he’d spent a little more time in the state? I had a couple people ask me that today and the staff at the C-burg office said they’ve been hearing it a lot. Seems like visits to Morgantown and Wheeling might have made a difference.

  4. 4.

    Dennis - SGMM

    Krista Says:

    And it’s from Texas, no less. That just adds a certain extra soupçon of win to the whole thing, doesn’t it?

    Your use of the word “soupçon” together with the the effete subscript marks you as the worst sort of elitist. Many hard working white Americans have only a nodding familiarity with their mother tongue – let alone those foreign words which have been adopted to its enrichment. Shame on you!

  5. 5.

    Rheinhard

    An Obama faux bumper sticker on a Texas car? Can we get a running tally somewhere of how many times it has been keyed by passers-by?

  6. 6.

    rob!

    one of the people in our dog agility class (yes, our dog agility class–we’re such elitists!) has a homemade Obama sign on his car, as well.

    and this is NJ, which *sigh* overwhelmingly went for Hillary.

  7. 7.

    Delia

    and this is NJ, which sigh overwhelmingly went for Hillary.

    I think we have to treat some of these early voting Hillary states with a certain amount of forgiveness. She hadn’t shown the true range of her awfulness at that point in time.

  8. 8.

    John Cole

    I’m still taking exception to JC’s derogatory remarks re Canadians and the hockey we play…

    Hunh? I was making fun of Americans- your announcers treat you like you know the game and go into the intricacies of the game, ours bring us- “The curved hockey stick.”

  9. 9.

    Mary

    Obama will be in Charleston tomorrow, but yeah, I’m surprised he didn’t come into the state earlier this weekend. I guess he’s trying to max out delegates and the popular vote in OR to forestall Clinton’s hypothesized popular vote gambit.

  10. 10.

    El Doh

    I’m on a downer tonight.

    A couple I know who was originally for Edwards (and had at one point commented “Not her” during a discussion of Women presidents) apparently recently gave just under $500 to Hillary’s campaign.

    I knew they were in the bag for Hillary already as they’d commented how much they felt Obama lack of experience was “dangerous”. It was thrashed out for a while and it was obvious no-one was moving — Rev. Wright was a huge deal whereas Hillary’s lies about Tuzla or Kyle-Lieberman votes didn’t matter (and her AUMF vote was a tool to make them comply, not a vote for war…), so I’ve tried hard to just not discuss the presidential campaign with them but man… for some reason, the donation really bothers me.

    We’re talking about solid long-time Democrats here who get off their collective asses and go out and do stuff, be it precinct walking, phone banking, the works.

    At this point, I dare not talk to them about November. I think they’ll vote for any Dem, but I’ve gotten to the point that I’m wondering some…

  11. 11.

    Daniel

    I’m new here, loving the kick-ass posts and the vociferous comments. That was a hilarious hockey post, John, and your meaning was totally clear. We Canadians have a couple different reflex reactions to when Americans mention us. One is “They mentioned us! They mentioned us!” The other is to read in some nonexistent dogwhistle slight and then take offense at it. We’re sensitive that way. Must be all the arugula we grow up here.

  12. 12.

    Doug H. (Fausto no more)

    A couple I know who was originally for Edwards (and had at one point commented “Not her” during a discussion of Women presidents) apparently recently gave just under $500 to Hillary’s campaign.

    That $11 million debt ain’t gonna repay itself.

  14. 14.

    myiq2xu

    We’re talking about solid long-time Democrats here who get off their collective asses and go out and do stuff, be it precinct walking, phone banking, the works.

    At this point, I dare not talk to them about November. I think they’ll vote for any Dem, but I’ve gotten to the point that I’m wondering some…

    Don’t feel bad, Darth Vader couldn’t persuade Luke to join the dark side either.

  15. 15.

    El Doh

    Don’t feel bad, Darth Vader couldn’t persuade Luke to join the dark side either.

    I’m Darth Vader? Wow! And I didn’t even know I breathed funny!

    Now, whom shall I force-throttle first…

  16. 16.

    Conservatively Liberal

    While I was recently in Spokane, I dropped in to visit our youngest sister. She is a long time conservative, and has faithfully voted Republican in every single election. We don’t see each other often, and we rarely talk politics as she is at the opposite end of the political spectrum from the rest of the siblings.

    I decided to ask her who she is voting for this fall, and I expected to hear ‘McCain’ without hesitation. Instead, she looked at me real strangely for a few seconds, then she said ‘I am going to vote for who I want to, and if I can’t then I am sitting out my first election’. Before I could process that, she said “Obama” and looked at me like a lab specimen she was evaluating.

    I said “So am I’, and we both started laughing. She seriously thought I was going to vote for Clinton, and I thought she would vote for McCain. We were both wrong…lol! We sat and talked for over an hour about Obama, Hillary and barely mentioned McCain. She said that her party abandoned her and other old time conservatives, and ‘it will be a cold day in hell’ before she ever votes Republican again.

    She hit on all of the crap that Hillary has been dishing out, and she is on top of everything that relates to Obama. She has always been one of those people who likes detail, which seemed to run counter to the usual Republican habit of liking to be spoon fed talking points. She is a republican who thinks for herself, and she seems to have followed a similar path ‘out of the wilderness’ as John here has. I told her about John and BJ, and I hope she drops in on us.

    If Obama can win over my sister (albeit with the help of the self-destruction of the right), I am sure that there are many other Republicans out there who will do likewise.

  18. 18.

    rob!

    recently gave just under $500 to Hillary’s campaign.

    what a goddamn waste of $500.00. they could’ve donated $20, still made their point, and given $480 to a charity.

    a real one.

  19. 19.

    Nellcote

    Bill missed the Party Unity Memo:

    Per ABC News’ Sarah Amos, this is what the 42nd president of the United States said Friday in Ripley, W.Va.:

    “Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say,” Clinton said. “And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you’re as smart as they are. She thinks you’ve got as much right to have your say as anybody else. And, you know, they make a lot of fun of me because I like to campaign in places like this, they say I have been exiled to rural America, as if that was a problem. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather be here than listening to that stuff I have to hear on television, I’d rather be with you. There is a simple reason: You need a president a lot more than those people telling you not to vote for her.”

    In Madison, W.Va.:

    “It is very interesting, from the very beginning of this race there has been a sharp divide in the vote — the people who need a president, who need to turn the economy around, who need to restore the middle class, who need to give poor people a chance to work their way into the middle class, who need to give our children a better future, who need to restore our standing in the world and the war in Iraq, but do it in a way that rebuilds our military and stands up for America’s security and standing around the world — they have been for her from the get-go.”

  20. 20.

    El Doh

    Yeah, Obama does seem to have real cross-over appear.

    I was involved in voter registration last summer, and a lot of Republicans would stop by and chat. Some were obnoxious but most were sincere in their views — even managed to reregister a few as Dems.

    Several opined the same view — that they were sick of Bush, that they weren’t enthused about any of their candidates. They were looking at the likely Democratic contenders. Almost all added that they would definitely vote AGAINST Hillary.

    I also found it interesting that several were enthusiastic about John Edwards.

  21. 21.

    El Doh

    “You need a president a lot more than those people telling you not to vote for her.”

    Yeah, who needs a poopy ol’ Preznit anyway? Feh.

  22. 22.

    Genine

    That bumper sticker is a good idea. Obama paraphernalia constantly runs out here in Denver. A sticker or a sign is a precious commodity.

  23. 23.

    El Doh

    I’ve had friends that park regularly on streets put home-made signs in their cars every election for years.

    They reckon people are more likely to look.

  24. 24.

    rachel

    Your use of the word “soupçon” together with the the effete subscript marks you as the worst sort of elitist.

    That’s not a subscript, you yahoo, that’s a cedilla.

  25. 25.

    myiq2xu

    Almost all added that they would definitely vote AGAINST Hillary.

    And yet we constantly see the meme from Obama supporters that Hillary is really a Republican, that she’ll be McCain’s running mate, or that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain.

  26. 26.

    wasabi gasp

    Tape a homemade “Honky If You Vote Hillary” bumper sticker on the Five Hundred Dollar Couple’s car.

  27. 27.

    El Doh

    And yet we constantly see the meme from Obama supporters that Hillary is really a Republican, that she’ll be McCain’s running mate, or that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain.

    Logically, then, Hillary, if she is a good Democrat, must become McCain’s running mate.

    That way, the Dems will all vote for the Democrat, and so will many of the Republicans. FLAWLESS VICTORY!

  28. 28.

    myiq2xu

    Logically, then, Hillary, if she is a good Democrat, must become McCain’s running mate.

    That way, the Dems will all vote for the Democrat, and so will many of the Republicans. FLAWLESS VICTORY!

    “We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history”
    -Mao Zedong

  30. 30.

    KCinDC

    And yet we constantly see the meme from Obama supporters […] that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain.

    That meme I hear from Hillary supporters, not Obama supporters. In fact, it’s one of the arguments for why Obama can’t win the general and so the Democrats have to nominate Clinton.

  31. 31.

    Fulcanelli

    I knew they were in the bag for Hillary already as they’d commented how much they felt Obama lack of experience was “dangerous”. It was thrashed out for a while and it was obvious no-one was moving—Rev. Wright was a huge deal whereas Hillary’s lies about Tuzla or Kyle-Lieberman votes didn’t matter (and her AUMF vote was a tool to make them comply, not a vote for war…)

    I just don’t understand the “experience” mojo Hillary seems to have garnered. Since when is being the spouse of a politician the same as being the politican? Isn’t her running for President just the third election she’s ever been in, and her first, when she entered the Senate was a cakewalk against a weak GOP candidate? If relationship or proximity to an elected official is qualifying mojo the Goopers would have been nagging Barbara Bush to run instead of McCain.

    Oops, my bad… I forgot she brought peace to Northern Ireland.

  32. 32.

    Conservatively Liberal

    More Clinton Campaign Comedy from the front lines at the GOS.

    This is a Hillaryous read.

  33. 33.

    El Doh

    That meme I hear from Hillary supporters, not Obama supporters. In fact, it’s one of the arguments for why Obama can’t win the general and so the Democrats have to nominate Clinton.

    Yeah, same here.

    In fact, I regularly see the claim that he won’t protect a woman’s right to choose and that he’s already lining up anti-choice judges. Never sourced, of course.

    I thought of going for a proper rebuttal, but there doesn’t seem to be much point when it’s in reply to a troll.

  34. 34.

    Soylent Green

    And yet we constantly see the meme from Obama supporters that Hillary is really a Republican, that she’ll be McCain’s running mate, or that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain.

    It’s only because her behavior is so baffling. Of course she’s not a Republican or a Lieberman.

    How many pathological Obama haters will vote for McCain is another matter. I don’t blame Hillary for their existence, and in the end their numbers probably aren’t that high.

  35. 35.

    Splitting Image

    “And yet we constantly see the meme from Obama supporters that Hillary is really a Republican, that she’ll be McCain’s running mate, or that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain.”

    There is nothing inconsistent about this. The Republican party is split in two at the moment. Of the 50% of the country who voted Republican in the last two elections, three-fifths still worship the ground Bush walks on, and the others are all in various stages of disillusionment and anger at the status quo.

    Obama has been aiming at the latter group from day one. Clinton has been increasingly tailoring her message to the ones still supporting Bush, and to the Democrats who have been willing to cross party lines to join them.

    The key factor is Clinton’s support of McCain. Many of the Republicans who are opposed to the Bush circle used to like McCain when he seemed to be giving them a voice, but the more he hitched his wagon to Bush and Cheney, the less popular he has been with them. Ron Paul took a lot of their votes and their money this year because he seemed to be the only genuine maverick. Huckabee’s support also boomed when he criticized the Bush crowd for ignoring their reliable evangelical voters.

    Long story short, Clinton has been embracing McCain’s supporters (including Democrats who like him) and Obama has been embracing his opponents.

    Since McCain is the Republican nominee, which policy do you suppose makes more sense?

  36. 36.

    El Doh

    It’s arguable that the Republicans are split into more than two pieces — the Evangelical wing seems to be somewhat separate from the Neo-con wing and the Moderate wing.

    Perhaps they’re finally realizing they’ve been played for suckers with promises on abortion, etc. but little real action.

    I’ve always wondered if Roe Vs Wade would ever be overturned for that very reason — it’s too good of a fund raising/GOTV issue to kill it.

    I’ve always figured they’d keep it, then chip away at it so while abortion remained technically legal, it became practically impossible in most cases and states.

    That allows them to say “see, we’re making progress!” while sitll being able to rant about “baby-murdering-liberals!”

  37. 37.

    Pooh

    Wait a minute here, is MyTroll the one who constantly says that nominating Obama would hand the white house to McCain?

    for FSM’s sake, man, try fucking harder or quit. You really suck at this.

  38. 38.

    CapMidnight

    Your use of the word “soupçon” together with the the effete subscript marks you as the worst sort of elitist.

    That’s not a subscript, you yahoo, that’s a cedilla.

    It’s a curved hockey stick.

  40. 40.

    Asti

    A couple I know who was originally for Edwards (and had at one point commented “Not her” during a discussion of Women presidents) apparently recently gave just under $500 to Hillary’s campaign.

    At the rate Hillary is going, she’ll do something stupid in the next few days/weeks and they’ll very possibly regret giving her that money.

  41. 41.

    Asti

    You need a president a lot more than those people telling you not to vote for her

    Really, to have the 42nd President of the US now tell that certain people don’t matter? I’m appalled. No one person needs a president more than another, this entire country needs a president that will try to steer us off the cliff we’ve been heading towards, and the Goldwater girl ain’t the one who is going to save us. Shame on Bill Clinton for using favoritism where the American people are concerned. He divides us even further.

  42. 42.

    Asti

    steer us AWAY from the cliff we’ve been heading towards – yeah, I’m tired, sorry ;)

  43. 43.

    El Doh

    I think she’s already done plenty stupid, but I’m not sure they can see it.

    They were talking about other local Democrats and more than once the phrase “drunk the kool-aid” was used in reference to mutual acquaintances who were now Obama supporters.

  44. 44.

    KRK

    It’s not the first time in this election Bill C. has dropped the some people “don’t need a president” crap. He said it at least once before on the stump, I think out west, maybe Wyoming.

    [Insert self-indulged whine that I commented with a link to this photo last week when John posted about not being able to get a bumper sticker for his laptop.]

    MI/FL timeline still in the works.

  47. 47.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    I think we have to treat some of these early voting Hillary states with a certain amount of forgiveness.

    Californians Would Switch Clinton Vote For Obama

    California voters would change their February primary vote for Hillary Clinton to a vote for Barack Obama if the vote were held again, according to an exclusive poll commissioned by CBS 5.

    While voters in the California Democratic Presidential Primary backed Clinton by a 10-point margin, a new SurveyUSA poll shows that if given the chance to vote again, Californians would choose Barack Obama by a 6-point margin, 49%-43%.

  48. 48.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    “the caucuses aren’t good for her. They disproportionately favor upper-income voters”

    Is someone whose worth 100 million bucks an “upper income voter”?

    I thought of going for a proper rebuttal, but there doesn’t seem to be much point when it’s in reply to a troll.

    It’s also pointless to respond to someone when they delete comments they don’t agree with and ban the person who wrote them.

  49. 49.

    El Doh

    It’s also pointless to respond to someone when they delete comments they don’t agree with and ban the person who wrote them.

    Sounds like TL.

  50. 50.

    Tim Fuller

    I got my Mississippi custom car tag in day before yesterday. I’ll share a photo later. It is replacing my IMPEACH tag I got last year.

    OBAMA08 is ready for mounting to my car.

    Enjoy.

  51. 51.

    Jess

    That’s not a subscript, you yahoo, that’s a cedilla.

    I thought that was the little thing hanging in the back of your throat.

    So, when do we stop bashing on Hillary and start in on McCain? We seem to be driving in circles here…

  52. 52.

    D-Chance.

    rachel Says:

    Your use of the word “soupçon” together with the the effete subscript marks you as the worst sort of elitist.

    That’s not a subscript, you yahoo, that’s a cedilla.

    I didn’t know c’s had dillas… they shouldn’t be shown in mixed company, regardless.

  53. 53.

    Krista

    So, when do we stop bashing on Hillary and start in on McCain? We seem to be driving in circles here…

    Old habits seem to be hard to break. Just reading through this comment thread, though, I’ve noticed that the Clinton-bashing has lost a lot of its heat, and most everybody here seems to just be shaking their head in dismayed amazement at her tactics.

    And Dennis-SGMM, I don’t know if the cedilla marks me as an elitist when I actually do speak French.

    Besides, up here, if a politician called another politician an “elitist”, the “WTF?” facial expressions would reach from sea to shining sea. The whole damn thing would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

  54. 54.

    rachel

    Jess Says:

    That’s not a subscript, you yahoo, that’s a cedilla.

    I thought that was the little thing hanging in the back of your throat.

    No, that’s a uvula. Sounds closer, though.

  55. 55.

    rachel

    I didn’t know c’s had dillas… they shouldn’t be shown in mixed company, regardless.

    What’s wrong with dillas, I ask you? Are you a dillist of some kind‽ ó_ò

  56. 56.

    El Doh

    And Dennis-SGMM, I don’t know if the cedilla marks me as an elitist when I actually do speak French.

    You speak French?

    ELITIST!

    English was good enough for Jesus and The Bible, and it’s good enough for me.

  57. 57.

    El Cid

    All weekend I’ve been listening to various nimrods (a lot of callers to CSPAN and talk radio) who still keep mixing up the nomination and the general election.

    PEOPLE: If people vote for Clinton in the primaries (etc), IT DOES NOT IN AND OF ITSELF MEAN THAT THEY WON’T VOTE FOR OBAMA (I.E., THE DEMOCRAT) IN THE GENERAL.

    That is all. This does not apply to specific arguments based on specific evidence that suggests some person or category of persons are likely to idiot out for McCain.

  58. 58.

    cleek

    Hillary reaches to every mother on earth and, through them, to every child and even every father. Hillary is the Mother we all wish we had: tall, strong, sweet, smart, joyful and clear.

    mmm. culty

  59. 59.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    Speaking French may not mark you as an elitist, but it’s sure a pointer that you may be a Habs fan.
    Exterminate! Exterminate!

  60. 60.

    Shygetz

    So now black people, young people, and educated people all don’t need a President…only old people and “working class whites”. If that’s the case, then quit taxing us for one. No taxation without representation!

    I could never be a politician, as I have a modicum of shame.

  61. 61.

    Jen

    It is time Hillary made it to this website, and other than that I’m gonna let David Axelrod speak for me.

    “I don’t think even under any scenario . . . that we were going to transfer money from the Obama campaign to the Clinton campaign. We obviously need the resources we have. We have a great task ahead of us.”

    Uh, yeah. She’s $20 million in debt with no remotely feasible way to win and she wants to keep going? Bring it.

  62. 62.

    Krista

    Speaking French may not mark you as an elitist, but it’s sure a pointer that you may be a Habs fan.
    Exterminate! Exterminate!

    Wrong again. I don’t root for any one particular team at the moment. I’ll always have a bit of a soft spot for Toronto and Boston, as my great-uncle Bill played for the Toronto St. Pat’s in 1922 (won the Cup too, thank you very much), and then for the Bruins. But other than that, I’m more emotionally invested in the QMJHL league.

    Mind you, I bawled like a baby when Canada won the Gold in Salt Lake City.

  63. 63.

    Punchy

    Hillary wins Worst Virginia in a landslide, captures all the Grand Dragon votes in Kent-yucky (and there’s a lot of ’em), and decides to continue to the Convention.

    What a mess.

  64. 64.

    Dennis - SGMM

    That’s not a subscript, you yahoo, that’s a cedilla.

    Thank you. I was three-quarters of the way through a bottle of wine last night and I couldn’t remember that one to save my soul. Does being a yahoo mean that I have to vote for Clinton?

  65. 65.

    cleek

    Does being a yahoo mean that I have to vote for Clinton?

    only if you’re a hard-working white yahoo. no others need apply.

  66. 66.

    Paul

    Punchy Says:

    Hillary wins Worst Virginia in a landslide, captures all the Grand Dragon votes in Kent-yucky (and there’s a lot of ‘em), and decides to continue to the Convention.

    That’s what I think. And with endless proclamations that “if Obama is such a strong candidate, why can’t he win WV/KY?”

    Let me be clear. I respect Senator Clinton’s tenacity and fortitude. I just don’t like the fact that its gene-linked, seemingly, to a lot of negative traits.

  67. 67.

    John Cole

    Yeah, this is pretty much the nightmare scenario for me. The one time WV gets some love in the primary season and I get to spend a week reading different people debate just exactly how ignorant West Virginians are.

    Are 10% of us illiterate racists? Or is it more like 35%?

    Kill me now.

  68. 68.

    John S.

    And yet we constantly see the meme from Obama supporters that Hillary is really a Republican, that she’ll be McCain’s running mate, or that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain.

    Because:

    1) She is running like a Republican, although obviously she is a Democrat (and not in name only like Lieberman)

    2) She will not be McCain’s running mate, but sadly most people seem to think she’ll do anything to get back in the WH

    3) Because a majority of Hillary supporters keep telling pollsters that they will vote for McCain, though I think come November few will

    Don’t let the facts hit your ass on the way out.

  69. 69.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    Mind you, I bawled like a baby when Canada won the Gold in Salt Lake City.

    Well, why wouldn’t you, when it was the apex of all human history?
    Cool that you have a connection to the Leafs, back in 1922 when they weren’t a goddamned joke.
    Maybe if Obama wins the presidency, karma will allot the Americans a decent Olympic Hockey team again.

  71. 71.

    AkaDad

    The one time WV gets some love in the primary season and I get to spend a week reading different people debate just exactly how ignorant West Virginians are.

    BTW, do West Virginians make new ones, or do you pass down the flammable lawn crosses from generation to generation? :-)

  72. 72.

    wvng

    John:

    Yeah, this is pretty much the nightmare scenario for me. The one time WV gets some love in the primary season and I get to spend a week reading different people debate just exactly how ignorant West Virginians are.

    Ditto your “yeah.” This is just brutal for many of us who chose to live in the beautiful state of WV. After the 2004 election, I found myself walking around my dominantly Democratic county that went over 65% for Bush, and processing that 2 out of 3 people I saw voted manifestly against their individual interests, their family’s interests, their community’s interests, and the nation’s interests, because of stupid, made up rethuglican wedge issues like guns.

    And now they are about to do it in teh dem primary over race. By better than 2 to 1. Against the presumptive nominee in favor of a candidate they would vote against in the fall – because of guns, and abortion, and whatever.

  74. 74.

    jj

    Are 10% of us illiterate racists? Or is it more like 35%?

    Dont’ sweat it dude.

    I was just in Summit Point WV this past weekend and everybody was very nice to this colored feller.

    It gives me hope that maybe, just maybe Hillary is underestimating the people of West Virginia.

  75. 75.

    Punchy

    Are 10% of us illiterate racists? Or is it more like 35%?

    When a sizeable portion of the population has trouble counting whether they own more books or teeth, you’re gunna be the butt of many jokes.

    I wonder if they passed a voter-ID law in WV, if that’d actually disenfranchise more poor, Appalachia (sp?) Republican voters than vice-versa….

  76. 76.

    Dennis - SGMM

    Are 10% of us illiterate racists? Or is it more like 35%?

    Every time I went to the Sunday art fair in Ritter Park down in Huntington, WVA, I was just delighted with the watercolors, acrylics, oils, blown glass and photography. Who would have known that those illiterate racists could produce such excellent art?

    One thing that doesn’t get mentioned enough is West Virginia’s care and support for autistics. My son is autistic so I know a bit about the subject. The Autism Training Center at Marshall University does some great work in helping autistics to become functioning members of society.

    Anyone who knocks West Virginia hasn’t spent time there.

  77. 77.

    Paul

    Whatever people want to say about the results in West Virginia tomorrow, it is unfair and a mistake to pretend West Virginia is an anomaly. Outside of the West (Obama won whites in CA, WA, ID, UT, CO, KS, etc) Obama has not fared well with white voters. (Out West, Obama has fared poorly with Latinos.) This is not an Appalachia issue, as some have suggested.

    By Big Tent Democrat

    Copied from Talk Left without comment.

  78. 78.

    Punchy

    Copied from Talk Left without comment

    BTD has completely, utterly ruined that blog. He posted–IN ONE DAY–nine times. He’s that blog’s cancer. He wont go away, wont shut up, wont be reasonable in the comments.

    That blog is dead to me. Jeralyn sold out. Big time.

  79. 79.

    croatoan

    It’s sad West Virginia has a bad reputation (or gets a bad rap). They seceded from Virginia to rejoin the Union during the Civil War.

    I’ve always wondered if Roe Vs Wade would ever be overturned

    I don’t think it will ever be overturned. During Bush’s first term there was a Republican president with sky-high approval ratings, a Republican-controlled House and Senate, and a Republican-controlled Supreme Court. If they didn’t overturn it then, when are they going to? It’s a stick to beat up Democrats with. If they ban abortion they can’t use the stick, and banning abortion would energize liberals the same way Roe vs. Wade did conservatives.

  80. 80.

    dslak

    utside of the West (Obama won whites in CA, WA, ID, UT, CO, KS, etc) Obama has not fared well with white voters. (Out West, Obama has fared poorly with Latinos.)

    Other than to show that he knows how to read exit poll results, what the hell does any of that matter?

    Just come out and say it: The votes of some people count more than others. That’s really all he’s left with, as he’s already conceded that whites and Latinos will vote for Obama.

  81. 81.

    Dork

    By Big Tent Democrat

    Big Tent, indeed. Huge. Just no Obama supporters allowed. Which is half the party.

    Armando has sadly become the joke of the blogosphere. If he wasn’t such a friggin’ jackass in the comments section, I might actually feel bad for him.

  82. 82.

    El Doh

    Back in Armando’s GoS days, he used to do some great front page stuff… then proceed to ruin the comment section with hugely over-the-top ad hom attacks against people for no apparent reason.

    Unfortunately, instead of using his “front page” brain to write comments at TL, he’s using his “comments” brain to write the FP stuff…

  85. 85.

    PeterJ

    BTD has completely, utterly ruined that blog. He posted—IN ONE DAY—nine times. He’s that blog’s cancer. He wont go away, wont shut up, wont be reasonable in the comments.

    That blog is dead to me. Jeralyn sold out. Big time.

    Their rule about posting limits is rather interesting, especially how it’s enforced. It’s just another tool to ban dissenting voices, guess it’s good if you don’t want to debate with people you don’t agree with but not so much if you want an open debate.
    (There are a number of Clinton supporters (excluding BTD and Jeralyn) that are posting a lot more than what seems to be the allowed number of posts for a day)

  86. 86.

    OriGuy

    Yeah, this is pretty much the nightmare scenario for me. The one time WV gets some love in the primary season and I get to spend a week reading different people debate just exactly how ignorant West Virginians are.

    Don’t worry. After tomorrow, it will be Kentucky’s turn. Hoosiers tell Kentuckian jokes like Canadians tell Newfie jokes or Minnesotans tell Iowan jokes.

    Why couldn’t they have a CSI: Louisville? No dental records and everyone has the same DNA.

  87. 87.

    wvng

    I know a number of good Dems in WV who will be voting for Hillary tomorrow, and who will vote for Obama in the fall. They are deeply concerned about Obama’s chances in the fall based on their life experiences with people in this region – and they desperately want a Dem win in November.

    I do agree with them about Obama winning WV in the GE; he won’t. I disagree that his inability to win in WV means he can’t win the election. But the reality is that either Obama or Hillary (even before she went crazy) as our nominee is new electoral ground and we don’t know what will happen.

  89. 89.

    John Cole

    Don’t worry. After tomorrow, it will be Kentucky’s turn.

    Yeah, that is kind of an alternate state slogan here in WV.

    ‘WV- At Least We’re Not Kentucky!’

    Armando thought he could trust the guys who run RedState.org not to be assholes. He was wrong.

    Anyone want to give me a rundown on this?

  91. 91.

    KRK

    Paul Says:

    Outside of the West (Obama won whites in CA, WA, ID, UT, CO, KS, etc) Obama has not fared well with white voters.

    Copied from Talk Left without comment.

    That “etc.” is doing a lot of work, there. And I never realized that Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, Maine, and Vermont were considered the West.

    They’re not even trying to get the easy stuff right.

  92. 92.

    John Cole

    They’re not even trying to get the easy stuff right.

    I really hope they move, collectively, into the bargaining phase pretty soon, because I don’t know how much longer I can hold my tongue. I have at least three scathing posts I could unleash right now if I just hit publish.

  93. 93.

    Z

    It doesn’t surprise me that so many Edwards’ supporters have gone over the moon for Hillary. After Edwards dropped out, she suddenly became a born again populist. What I don’t understand is why they think she means it? The Clinton’s have always been pro-business.

  94. 94.

    El Doh

    I was for Edwards originally.

    Hillary was never a primary option for me. Far too much money from Wall St., health insurance lobbyists, the Murdoch fundraiser, plus AUMF, plus Kyl-Lieberman.

    I wasn’t overjoyed with some of his decisions, like the liquified coal bill, but he was far less objectionable.

    Rather sad in a year that I kept reading about how strong the Democratic field was, I ended up picking the candidate whose politics I disliked the least.

  95. 95.

    Delia

    KRK Says:

    Paul Says:

    Outside of the West (Obama won whites in CA, WA, ID, UT, CO, KS, etc) Obama has not fared well with white voters.

    Copied from Talk Left without comment.

    That “etc.” is doing a lot of work, there. And I never realized that Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, Maine, and Vermont were considered the West.

    They’re not even trying to get the easy stuff right.

    And I guess this is why their team doesn’t much like the fifty state strategy. It doesn’t favor their reality. Oh, except if California were still a late-voting primary and had the advantage of seeing the glory of Hillary’s compounded awfulness, it would be another little state that doesn’t count as well.

  96. 96.

    montysano

    So, when do we stop bashing on Hillary and start in on McCain? We seem to be driving in circles here…

    Not until we absolutely have to. McCain…….. man, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Us librul eleets prefer to go where the snark is, and right now Hillary is the motherlode.

  98. 98.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Anyone who knocks West Virginia hasn’t spent time there.

    I agree. I was there four times last year. First time to look at some real estate in Monroe County. Second time for a mini-vacation in Hardy County. Third time to bury my father-in-law in Wyoming County. Fourth time for Bridge Day Festival (and more real estate looking.)

    These days about the only thing that keeps me going is imagining the day I’ll be able to retire to a five or ten acre parcel in the mountains with a beautiful view.

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