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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2008 / The Great Seal of Barack Obama

The Great Seal of Barack Obama

by Michael D.|  June 20, 20083:59 pm| 138 Comments

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I don’t know if I am allowed to criticize Barack Obama here, but I am going to anyway. It’s about this:

The Seal of Barack Obama

He’s supposed to be a man of the people, and I think this is silly. Is “over-elevating” a word? I think this makes Barack Obama look very establishment. When I saw this today on CNN, I cringed. I really did. I kept thinking “He thinks he’s better than me.” I know that’s not true, but it’s kinda lame, and I don’t think it’s good. It’s a logo that you might think he wears on his smoking jacket. Perhaps I am overreacting. Families from “old money” have seals.

I think it makes him look elitist. Sorry. He has to win first.

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  1. 1.

    Velvet Elvis

    June 20, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    The Latin is definitely overkill.

  2. 2.

    Chris Johnson

    June 20, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    “More Possums?” :D

  3. 3.

    gussie

    June 20, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    I’ll take the idiotic crest if he’ll give me a full-throated opposition to the FISA collapse.

  4. 4.

    Michael D.

    June 20, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    I think so too. I don’t know why. It’s just a harmless Logo, but it seems wrong. And if a Republican did this, we’d be making fun of him or her for days.

  5. 5.

    joshers

    June 20, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    I’m more disappointed in his decision to support the FISA bill, but the logo sucks too.

    I’m not giving him any more money.

  6. 6.

    pillsy

    June 20, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I think it’s too hilariously stupid to be offensively stupid myself.

    Either way, though, it’s stupid.

  7. 7.

    joel hanes

    June 20, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    That’s all you got?

    I’m still an Obama voter, but I think that emptywheel’s summary of his reply to her email about the FISA-sellout is right on the money:

    1. I will make a showy effort in the Senate on Monday to get them to take out immunity. I will lose that effort 32-65. But hey! I can say I tried!

    2. But don’t worry, little boys and girls, Inspectors General are an adequate replacement for our third co-equal branch of government!

    3. Nice little bloggers! Aren’t you cute! After you demanded accountability we gave you piggy lipstick and fig leaves and told you it was time to move on while we important Senators told you — in polite terms — to fuck off.

    Unfortunately, it seems the only people who succeed in politics are, well, not to put too fine a point on it, politicians. Not pretty, but there it is.

  8. 8.

    Sloegin

    June 20, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    We are able to be truthy? Looks like he’s got the Colbert vote wrapped up.

  9. 9.

    John Cole

    June 20, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Unfortunately, it seems the only people who succeed in politics are, well, not to put too fine a point on it, politicians. Not pretty, but there it is.

    I oppose immunity and have from day one, but there is nothing Obama can do about this. The issue was lost before there was ever even a votre, and now you are all demanding that Obama commit political hari-kiri on an issue he can not win. A Senate filibuster will not even hold, yet you are all out there demanding he.. what? Hold a last stand on an issue that is already decided, and was decided by the folks in the House in the Democratic majority who voted for the bill.

    Obama didn’t sell you down the river. The Democrats in the House did. Direct your anger appropriately.

  10. 10.

    Laura in Austin

    June 20, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Cheesy and silly. Elitist? It’s too silly to be elitist.

    Ick.

  11. 11.

    Should Know Better

    June 20, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    That’s pretty dumb looking. Are you sure it doesn’t belong to the Earth-Two Obama? I can’t find it on his site.

  12. 12.

    Doug H. (Fausto no more)

    June 20, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    I’m seeing a few more eagles on the website, but nothing like this. You sure this is nothing more than a gimmick for his new ‘Declaration of Independence’ drive?

  13. 13.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    June 20, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    As long as he doesn’t wear Bruno Magli’s or Versace I’d bet he’s still one of us. But who knows he did pay off his student loans a couple years ago and is making some serious coin from those books he wrote. The pod people may have captured him and turned him into one of them.

  14. 14.

    Zifnab

    June 20, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    I don’t know if I am allowed to criticize Barack Obama here,

    Your not.

    but I am going to anyway. It’s about this:

    Don’t let us stop you.

    :-p ZOMG, Obama is starting a cult!

  15. 15.

    wobbly

    June 20, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    If this is from him, I think he’s laughing at himself and his image.

    Sort of like Hillary did in her hitchhiking away from Woodstock video. And like both of them did with Mt.Rushmore photos and jokes.

    Is this from him,though?

    I just got off his website-ordering buttons and T-shirts-and saw nothing remotely like this image???

  16. 16.

    jake

    June 20, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Horrible! He should have a big tour bus and paint something snappy and straight forward on it like … Straight Talk Express.

    I kept thinking “He thinks he’s better than me.”

    In this case it might well be true, in which case, so? You survived nearly eight years of an infantile, swaggering, knuckledragger who can’t get to the end of a sentence without major mishap and started a war for shits n’ giggles thinking he’s better than you, me and everyone else on the planet. You will survive a stupid campaign logo. I promise.

  17. 17.

    KCinDC

    June 20, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Yeah, can you give a link to where this comes from? Looks to me like it’s at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

  18. 18.

    Joshua Norton

    June 20, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    The latin is a little too precious. It’s been a while since I’ve suffered through it. So he’s either trying to say “true possums” or “yes we can” (in an extremely fractured way).

  19. 19.

    PK

    June 20, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    The issue was lost before there was ever even a votre, and now you are all demanding that Obama commit political hari-kiri on an issue he can not win.

    Why is it political Hari-kiri? I am not paying close attention to this, so am curious. Is there widespread public support for immunity to telecoms? I am not getting this-even if he cannot change the situation he can come strongly against it.

  20. 20.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    June 20, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Makes me think of a Ramones t-shirt. Which is a win.

  21. 21.

    Ted

    June 20, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Michael D. is very CONCERNED.

    The issue was lost before there was ever even a votre, and now you are all demanding that Obama commit political hari-kiri on an issue he can not win.

    Is is possible for him to instead commit political Harry Carey? And if so, what would that be like?

  22. 22.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 20, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    “He thinks he’s better than me.” I know that’s not true, but it’s kinda lame, and I don’t think it’s good.

    He is better than you Michael. And you’re better than this dumbass post.

  23. 23.

    Tom in Texas

    June 20, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    According to the NYT, this seal was on display during a meeting between Obama and a dozen Democratic governors.

    At a discussion with a dozen Democratic governors in Chicago on Friday morning, each of the governors was identified with a small name plate but Senator Barack Obama sat behind a low rostrum to which was attached an official-looking seal no one had seen before.

    Probably just an attempt to make him look “Presidential,” though I do think it’s a bit ham handed.

  24. 24.

    Joshua Norton

    June 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Looks to me like it’s at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

    I wish. I just found a credible link.

  25. 25.

    YellowJournalism

    June 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    I kept thinking “He thinks he’s better than me.”

    To paraphrase Jon Stewart, if he’s going to be president, then he should be better than me.

  26. 26.

    Michael D.

    June 20, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Yeah, can you give a link to where this comes from? Looks to me like it’s at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

    It was on the air on CNN about 20 minutes ago. I searched for the image and wrote the post based on the CNN story.

    Links:

    AP

    CNN

    Wall St. Journal

  27. 27.

    Velvet Elvis

    June 20, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Actually, Obama just came out saying he’ll filibuster any legislation with the immunity provision.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/20/draft-where-is-obama-on-the-fisa-fight/

  28. 28.

    Ted

    June 20, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    According to the NYT, this seal was on display during a meeting between Obama and a dozen Democratic governors.

    If his campaign confines the stupid seal to those settings, then fine. He’s just trying to send all the top party people the swift and firm message that he’s in control now. If the seal ends up on a speech podium or something, that would look stupid.

  29. 29.

    strawmanmunny

    June 20, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Obama didn’t sell you down the river. The Democrats in the House did. Direct your anger appropriately.

    True. I thought with control of the House and Senate, Democrats would play hardball with McCain and offer up some programs that would put HIM on the defensive, INSTEAD, in their infinite wisdom they do it to their own candidate.

    After this fall, I’m independent. It’s Obama or bust for me.

  30. 30.

    Richard Bottoms

    June 20, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    To paraphrase Jon Stewart, if he’s going to be president, then he should be better than me.

    Goddamed right.

  31. 31.

    J. Michael Neal

    June 20, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Why is it political Hari-kiri?

    Making a full scale stand and then losing to a Congress controlled by your own party is one of the classic ways to look ineffective if you are, or want to be, President. It suggests that you can’t get your own troops to follow you.

    Sometimes, it’s best to get out of the way of a speeding train.

  32. 32.

    Martin

    June 20, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Makes me think of a Ramones t-shirt. Which is a win.

    That’s what I thought too.

    For the uncivilized…

    Beyond that, I think he needs to do gravitas shit like this, unfortunately. It’s silly, but then so is the muslim/terrorist/not citizen/unamerican crap and that’s still rolling along out there.

  33. 33.

    Adam

    June 20, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Vero possimus = “truth is possible”?

  34. 34.

    Dreggas

    June 20, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Velvet Elvis Says:

    Actually, Obama just came out saying he’ll filibuster any legislation with the immunity provision.

    Link

    I didn’t see that anywhere on the thread save for where he promised to back Dodd’s filibuster the last time.

  35. 35.

    jake

    June 20, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    100% Win from the WSJ comments:

    I remember another revolutionary leader that recreated their national leader seal… his name was Hitler. Wake up people, this is a take over not a movement

  36. 36.

    John Cole

    June 20, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Making a full scale stand and then losing to a Congress controlled by your own party is one of the classic ways to look ineffective if you are, or want to be, President. It suggests that you can’t get your own troops to follow you.

    See also: Bush, immigration reform.

  37. 37.

    Ted

    June 20, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    I remember another revolutionary leader that recreated their national leader seal… his name was Hitler. Wake up people, this is a take over not a movement

    You know, Hitler had pieces of flare that he made the Jews wear.

  38. 38.

    rob!

    June 20, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Perhaps I am overreacting.

    yes, you are.

    a campaign this big has all kinds of iconography, some loose and some hip, some classically square, which this logo is. it looks like it belongs on currency.

    its meant to evoke the feeling that Obama is part of the history of american presidents, Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Reagan.

    at a time when the Right is desperately trying to paint “the guy with the big ears and funny name” as utterly different and foreign (read: scary), this logo attempts to make him look like he is quintessentially American.

    sure, its a little self-serious, but so is a lot of the stuff we use as symbols for this country. i like it.

  39. 39.

    Crust

    June 20, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Hey, Velvet Elvis that was last time. This time he promised that he will vote for the bill, amnesty or no amnesty (although he will support taking amnesty out).

  40. 40.

    Martin

    June 20, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Oh, vero possumus would be approximately “indeed, we can”.

    I think. It’s certainly not a common phrase that I can recall.

  41. 41.

    J. Michael Neal

    June 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    See also: Bush, immigration reform.

    I was thinking: Clinton, health care reform, but your example works, too.

  42. 42.

    joel hanes

    June 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    John:

    there is nothing Obama can do about this.

    I agree that he could not have changed the outcome.

    The issue was lost before there was ever even a vote,

    I agree.

    and now you are all demanding that Obama commit political hari-kiri on an issue he can not win.

    I do not see any demands whatsoever in what I posted, either in my own words or in emptywheel’s.

    A Senate filibuster will not even hold,

    I think you are correct.

    yet you are all out there demanding

    see above

    .. what? Hold a last stand on an issue that is already decided, and was decided by the folks in the House in the Democratic majority who voted for the bill.

    Well, speaking for myself, I would have preferred that he address at length the lost opportunity for accountability, and to have leaned a bit harder on attacking Mr. Bush’s indefensible and criminal abuse of surveillance. I realize that getting what I want would necessarily imply criticism of Hoyer and Pelosi and Rockefeller, and so I didn’t expect it to happen, nor am I demanding it.

    But I reserve the right to judge and to be disappointed.
    I have, and I am.

    Obama didn’t sell you down the river. The Democrats in the House did.

    I completely agree, and have already contributed to the fund to run oppo ads against Hoyer. I wish I could think of a way to have any effect on Pelosi.

  43. 43.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    That’s just plain gauche. “Yes We Can!” in block letters was compelling. This thing just makes me want to invade Poland.

  44. 44.

    Zifnab

    June 20, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Making a full scale stand and then losing to a Congress controlled by your own party is one of the classic ways to look ineffective if you are, or want to be, President. It suggests that you can’t get your own troops to follow you.

    Meanwhile, quietly rolling over over on a key constitutionality issue and a lynch pin in the now-increasingly-quixotic-quest to hold somebody fucking accountable shows that you really want to bring change to Washington.

    You know what else suggests you can’t get your own troops to follow you? Never asking them to do anything they weren’t going to do anyway.

  45. 45.

    Brachiator

    June 20, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    He’s supposed to be a man of the people, and I think this is silly. Is “over-elevating” a word? I think this makes Barack Obama look very establishment. When I saw this today on CNN, I cringed. I really did. I kept thinking “He thinks he’s better than me.”

    Much ado about nothing. The seal will probably make a pretty cool lapel pin.

    Reading elitism into this just indicates that some people are easily swayed by media bullshit.

    The knockoff of the presidential seal is over-the-top, but keep in mind that Obama is a candidate whose legitimacy and citizenship is questioned almost every other day.

    joshers Says:

    I’m more disappointed in his decision to support the FISA bill, but the logo sucks too.

    I’m not giving him any more money.

    The Democratic Party leadership already indicated that they were willing to cave on this issue, even though there was absolutely no reason to do so; and there was little political capital to be lost by opposing it. I don’t know why the Democrats insist on being gutless when they clearly have the Bush Administration at least a little wobbly.

    And here, from a recent NYT article, is Speaker Pelosi attempting to rationalize support for the bill:

    Perhaps the most important concession that Democratic leaders claimed was an affirmation that the intelligence restrictions were the “exclusive” means for the executive branch to conduct wiretapping operations in terrorism and espionage cases. Speaker Nancy Pelosi had insisted on that element, and Democratic staff members asserted that the language would prevent Mr. Bush, or any future president, from circumventing the law. The proposal asserts “that the law is the exclusive authority and not the whim of the president of the United States,” Ms. Pelosi said.

    Unfortunately, Obama cannot get too far ahead of the Congressional leadership. And if Senator Clinton announces that she strongly opposes this bill, then I will begin to suspect that there is some odd back channel political gamesmanship going on.

  46. 46.

    Velvet Elvis

    June 20, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Hey, Velvet Elvis that was last time. This time he promised that he will vote for the bill, amnesty or no amnesty (although he will support taking amnesty out).

    Yeah. That’s what I get for citing somebody else’s cite without bothering to read it.

  47. 47.

    sidereal

    June 20, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Hey, I have a seal. Her name is Grace. She gets mad when I take her bukket.

    This thing just makes me want to invade Poland.

    That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all week.
    Poor Poles :(

  48. 48.

    rob!

    June 20, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    i figure the democrats are still afraid we’ll get hit by a terrorist between now and 1/20/09.

    and if they deny Bush ANYTHING, and we do get hit, he’ll go on TV, blame the Democrats, and the country will vote in McCain while sitting in their own gravy. “too scared, too scared, can’t vote for the black guy.”

    while i have some sympathy for those having to work for an electorate that stupid, they should’ve taken a stand on this. criminy.

  49. 49.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    That’s pretty bad. But where is he using it?

    The only place I’ve seen it is (I think) on the front of the table at the economic conference with, what, governors? Mayors?

    His website isn’t using it.

  50. 50.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 20, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Just heard on MSNBC that a reporter today asked Chuck Hagel if he’d consider being Obama’s veep. Hagel seemed receptive to the idea.
    This is…
    wait for it…
    a slap in the face to Hillary Clinton.

  51. 51.

    KDP

    June 20, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    If he continues in this vein, he’ll not be getting the donations from the little guy, he won’t be getting federal funds, he’ll have seriously damaged his credibility, and we’ll all be stuck with McCain in the White House.

    As long as he votes Nay on a FISA bill that includes the immunity clause, I can deal with it. The seal is a bit of overkill, not sure what marketing genius convinced him that is was a good idea, but were they ever wrong.

    As well, I try to take the long view, and that tells me he is a better choice than McCain.

  52. 52.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Michael D: You don’t provide a link.

    Where did you see this? Like I said, i only saw it in one place on the Obama website, and that was a photo of him at the economic conference where this was stuck on the front of the table.

  53. 53.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 20, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Just heard on MSNBC that a reporter today asked Chuck Hagel if he’d consider being Obama’s veep. Hagel seemed receptive to the idea.
    This is…
    wait for it…
    a slap in the face to Hillary Clinton.

    It’s a slap in the face to all Democrats. But it’s also a kick in the nuts to HRC.

  54. 54.

    John Cole

    June 20, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    As long as he votes Nay on a FISA bill that includes the immunity clause, I can deal with it. The seal is a bit of overkill, not sure what marketing genius convinced him that is was a good idea, but were they ever wrong.

    Just vote for McCain and quit wasting my time.

    Seriously. Anyone who is considering dropping support for someone because they released a seal such as this is better off at Red State writing diaries about how great George Bush is and how he is the kind of guy you want to have a beer with.

  55. 55.

    nightjar

    June 20, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Oh, vero possumus

    He’s going for the Appalachia vote, where I grew up. He needs to add the Latin word for “stew” though.

  56. 56.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 20, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Michael D: You don’t provide a link.

    Where did you see this?

    Give Michael a few more minutes on the fainting couch.

  57. 57.

    Cris

    June 20, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Is is possible for him to instead commit political Harry Carey? And if so, what would that be like?

    It would be all like HOLY COW

  58. 58.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    June 20, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    He thinks he’s better than me.

    He’s running to be the next President of the United States. If he isn’t better than me, he shouldn’t get the fucking job.

    After the last 8 (fuck, 28) years, I wouldn’t mind having a President who is obviously ridiculously smarter than the general population and reminds them of it periodically.

  59. 59.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    That seal might have been created just for the economic conference with the governors, and designed that way to ape the sort of designs we put on our currency. The latin and the monochrome design fit this theory.

  60. 60.

    Gus

    June 20, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Hey, if Obama can make Wanker of the Day on Atrios’ blog, you can criticize him here. His backing the FISA bill is a real eye-opener for me.

  61. 61.

    El Cid

    June 20, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Is this for decorative backgrounds or his emblem for the super-suit?

  62. 62.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    I think the media is making too much of this.

    It’s a fucking podium decoration. That’s all

  63. 63.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Oh criminey. When you go to his website, this is the background image that first comes up:

    eagle thingy

    Crimeny.

  64. 64.

    Jinxi

    June 20, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    He thinks he’s better than me.

    Seriously? Well, I certainly hope so. I get so sick of this “elitist” bullshit. I want someone better than me sitting in the White House. I want an “elitist”. Because, well, the clown we’ve got now sucks shit.

    Obama didn’t sell you down the river. The Democrats in the House did. Direct your anger appropriately.

    A-men.

    But these are the jokers that the Clintonistas for McCain swear will keep McCain from grabbing more power for himself and killing R v. W. You know the ones: “Don’t threaten me! I have faith in the Democrats in Congressr!” Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, those Democrats just caved again. I’m sure they’d stand up to McCain though.

  65. 65.

    Kevin

    June 20, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    emptywheel’s summary of his reply to her email about the FISA-sellout is right on the money

    I didn’t get past the part where she said that Obama told her to “fuck off”. When a post starts out that lame, I tend not to finish reading it.

  66. 66.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    “Oh criminey. When you go to his website, this is the background image that first comes up:”

    Oh please, nobody ever sees that thing, as it’s behind all the content.

  67. 67.

    Jay B.

    June 20, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    A third on the Ramones logo.

    In Obama I trust (but verify)

  68. 68.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    And yet another eagle thingy.

    Sigh.

  69. 69.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Oh, also?

    Better eagles than fucking crosses, or crypto-crosses like that RNC podium in 2004.

  70. 70.

    sidereal

    June 20, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    OMFG he consorts with EAGLES!!! Someone get me oxygen!

  71. 71.

    Ted

    June 20, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Hey, if Obama can make Wanker of the Day on Atrios’ blog, you can criticize him here. His backing the FISA bill is a real eye-opener for me.

    I don’t understand it either, not after his stand on the gas tax holiday BS. But oh well. I guess all he could have done was make some noise before it got passed anyway. As so many say, “Better Democrats, please.”

  72. 72.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Oh please, nobody ever sees that thing, as it’s behind all the content.

    Actually, it’s the first thing you do see, for a split second.

    Which begs the question: why the subliminal message?

  73. 73.

    Chris Johnson

    June 20, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Oh goodness, everyone is SO CONCERNED! *rofl*

    Cheers balloonistas.

    Does this too get to be an internet tradition? I missed the memo ;)

  74. 74.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    “Which begs the question: why the subliminal message?”

    Get your head out of your ass. It’s there to present a pleasant vaguely traditional and patriotic-looking image for people with slow connections.

    What’s wrong with eagles?

  75. 75.

    Ted

    June 20, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Which begs the question: why the subliminal message?

    Are you serious? Or making a joke?

  76. 76.

    dr. bloor

    June 20, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    If his campaign confines the stupid seal to those settings, then fine. He’s just trying to send all the top party people the swift and firm message that he’s in control now. If the seal ends up on a speech podium or something, that would look stupid.

    If he really thinks he needs a cheesy seal to send the message that he’s the headline act now, he should be running to replace the pointy-haired boss in “Dilbert” or Steve Carell in “The Office,” not for the presidency of the US.

  77. 77.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Better eagles than fucking crosses, or crypto-crosses like that RNC podium in 2004.

    No kidding.

  78. 78.

    Calouste

    June 20, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Is it Hissy Fits for Liberal Bloggers Day today?

    The atmosphere at the Great Orange Satan was particularly ridiculous with people saying they’ll withhold giving money and votes to the MUP on an issue he hasn’t even voted on yet.

  79. 79.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 20, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    It’s a slap in the face to all Democrats. But it’s also a kick in the nuts to HRC.

    It’s also an episode of Electile Dysfunction for McCain.

  80. 80.

    jake

    June 20, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Anyway, we know Obama can’t be an elitist. The fRightWingers proved Obama was a DFH Commmie when Fairey’s painting came out.

  81. 81.

    sidereal

    June 20, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    It’s ‘raises the question’ not ‘begs the question’. Begging the question is a specific logical fallacy in which the conclusion is restated as a premise (e.g. “I know Obama is arrogant, because he thinks he’s better than me!”).

    It’s not subliminal. You can get it as a desktop wallpaper, as you can see right here. I know because I had it as my desktop wallpaper until I migrated to a cool photo of a lightning storm striking over an erupting volcano. And at no point during the roughly 8 months that I saw it as my desktop wallpaper did I think ‘OMG an EAGLE! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is CRAZY and LOVES EAGLES!’, because that would be a dumb thing to get worked up about.

  82. 82.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Get your head out of your ass. It’s there to present a pleasant vaguely traditional and patriotic-looking image for people with slow connections.

    What’s wrong with eagles?

    …..

    Are you serious? Or making a joke?

    Last first, semi-serious. It just seems so silly to go with such overblown imagery, yet in a way pretend not to. Just my opinion.

    Second, nothing wrong with eagles, but see my comment about overblown imagery. Sorry this has upset you enough to be a crude jerk.

  83. 83.

    jake

    June 20, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    And yet another eagle thingy.

    Sigh.

    Yeah. Why isn’t he using a Canada goose like a real Muricun?

    Don’t worry folks. Some fine denizen of Rightistan will soon tell us that something about some campaign logo really represents Obama’s allegiance to Allah. I mean, the O is shaped like a moon and who has moons on their flags??

    (Right, Hitler.)

  84. 84.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    It would be cool if someone took that seal and made the various components of it counterrotate in a hypnotic fashion.

    The outer ring with the text clockwise, the eagle counter-clockwise, the Obama logo in the middle clockwise, the Vero Possumus and the gradation clockwise behind the eagle.

    Maybe with some psychedelic rings or spirals added in.

  85. 85.

    Jinxi

    June 20, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    You know, two things bother me.

    Obama’s campaign emails always start with “Friend”.
    I don’t know why that bothers me, but it does. I prefer “Ms. Friend”.
    The eagle is our national bird. Could this be the answer to why there’s an eagle on Obama’s page? Don’t answer that.

  86. 86.

    sidereal

    June 20, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    I think there’s no reasonable conclusion to come to other than that Barack Obama is a Black Liberation Muslim, a Marxist fascist, and a far-left Lieberdem.

  87. 87.

    Jon H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    “Don’t worry folks. Some fine denizen of Rightistan will soon tell us that something about some campaign logo really represents Obama’s allegiance to Allah. ”

    “It’s not an eagle, it’s a falcon. Falconry is a popular sport in the Middle East.”

  88. 88.

    Sirkowski

    June 20, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Uh… he’s gonna President, so what’s wrong with that logo??? Christ…

  89. 89.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 20, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Excerpt from Benjamin Franklin’s letter to his daughter, 1786:

    …For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him…

  90. 90.

    Scott H

    June 20, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    I don’t find that image on the Obama site. Is this some sort of third-party thing? I’m hating it, but what do I know? Everybody presented their asses for the Department of Homeland Security.

    Also, they sort of overdid it with the US flags for my taste [image]. It’s all going to start getting really tacky, isn’t it?

    Ramones, yeah. I had that album. My friends thought I’d lost my mind. Good times.

  91. 91.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    It’s not subliminal. You can get it as a desktop wallpaper, as you can see right here. I know because I had it as my desktop wallpaper until I migrated to a cool photo of a lightning storm striking over an erupting volcano. And at no point during the roughly 8 months that I saw it as my desktop wallpaper did I think ‘OMG an EAGLE! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is CRAZY and LOVES EAGLES!’, because that would be a dumb thing to get worked up about.

    You’re saying this flashes when you pull up the website because it’s standard desktop wallpaper? Fair enough.

    If the rest of your comment is aimed at me, I said I thought it was silly overblown imagery. The “crimineys” and sighs were over the silliness of it. Nary an “OMG he’s crazy and loves eagles” in sight.

  92. 92.

    MH

    June 20, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    What I want from Obama is SOME indication that, even if he can’t stop this bill, he at least WISHES HE COULD. He has given no such indication, at least not that I’ve seen.

    Things Obama could do to help me forgive him this travesty:
    -say publicly that he opposes this bill. For bonus points, explain WHY this bill is so shitty.
    -vote against this bill. Time will tell, won’t it.
    -promise that if elected, he will pressure his Congress for repeal of the bill.

    Even just these pretty words would make things better, but no, we get a wishy-washy crap statement that screams, “I don’t really care about this.”

    I don’t expect Obama to stop the bill, but I DO expect him to oppose it. That is NOT hard, it is NOT “political hari-kiri,” and it is NOT too much to ask.

  93. 93.

    Chris Andersen

    June 20, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Reminds me of Bush and his “POTUS” belt buckles.

  94. 94.

    shera

    June 20, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Lame. You have no idea if Obama thinks he’s better than you. He probably does, given that most presidential candidates are by necessity egomaniacs. Even then, isn’t that his right? Doesn’t anyone have the right to feel superior to another person? Oh, that’s right, it’s not appropriately humble. Hell, I think I’m better than any number of people, including (but not limited to) George Bush, Dick Cheney, Joe Lieberman, and those idiots whining about how Obama has betrayed them, shown a lack of leadership, and permanently lost their vote because of a FISA bill engineered by a Congressional leadership he doesn’t belong to.

    Why can’t we just admit that Obama’s not really the “de facto leader of the Democratic party,” and instead is leading its 2008 election efforts? With respect to governance, he’s got as much power as a junior Senator with four years of national legislative experience. Concluding that he’s now the leader of the party when he’s actually controlling only its 2008 election apparatus is just like observing that, based on that seal, that “Obama thinks he’s better than me.”

  95. 95.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    What I want from Obama is SOME indication that, even if he can’t stop this bill, he at least WISHES HE COULD. He has given no such indication, at least not that I’ve seen.

    Reminds me of how I felt about Kerry’s vote on the war, his explanation (or lack of), and the amount of time it took him to say it was a mistake and he regretted it.

  96. 96.

    Everybody in the World

    June 20, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Latin has no word that exactly means “yes”. So if you were trying to translate “Yes we can,” what would you do? “Vero possumus” seems close enough.

  97. 97.

    Ted

    June 20, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Uh… he’s gonna President, so what’s wrong with that logo??? Christ…

    You made a Bushism!

    Funny.

  98. 98.

    MH

    June 20, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Reminds me of how I felt about Kerry’s vote on the war, his explanation (or lack of), and the amount of time it took him to say it was a mistake and he regretted it.

    Yes, and I was pissed about that, too. One of Obama’s big selling points, for me, was that he was correct on the war when others like Kerry and Clinton were not.

    Well, he’s wrong on FISA, today. It is WRONG for him NOT to speak out against it. He doesn’t have to stake his political fortune on it, but -SURPRISE!- just saying, “I think this bill does not adequately protect Americans’ fourth amendment rights, and as President, I will work to fix that” does not threaten his candidacy in the least.

  99. 99.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    One of Obama’s big selling points, for me, was that he was correct on the war when others like Kerry and Clinton were not.

    True, but he wasn’t in the position of having to vote for or against the authorization.

  100. 100.

    Adam

    June 20, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    I HAVE A SEAL NOW TOO

    IT SAYS EXCALIBUR WHICH IS LATIN FOR SWORD

  101. 101.

    Church Lady

    June 20, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    I don’t think he should be given a pass on this incredibly lame logo thingy. If if was McCain, the snark that would be posted here would be classic. Why hold back on the pony? I have to assume that he will blame it on someone in the campaign, and say that, as a man of the people, his campaign doesn’t stand for that kind of elitism and that in the future his place at the table will be identified by a posterboard hand colored by one of his daughters.

    They just showed it on a film clip on MSNBC. I mean, really – he was in the center of the table and, without that stupid thing, no one would know who he was?

  102. 102.

    Martin

    June 20, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Latin has no word that exactly means “yes”. So if you were trying to translate “Yes we can,” what would you do? “Vero possumus” seems close enough.

    Other than the obvious answer of ‘remind myself that I’m not Harvard and decide to skip the latin altogether’ I think it’s close enough.

    Putting ‘Yes We Can’ in copperplate above the eagle would have been gauche and terroristy.

  103. 103.

    Laertes

    June 20, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    You are deeply silly people.

  104. 104.

    Martin

    June 20, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    I mean, really – he was in the center of the table and, without that stupid thing, no one would know who he was?

    Black nominees all look the same to me. I would have needed the seal.

  105. 105.

    joel hanes

    June 20, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Latin has no word that exactly means “yes”. So if you were trying to translate “Yes we can,” what would you do?

    If I remember correctly, you use a verb ending that indicates mood.

    From the linked page, I think that the indicative mood is what’s wanted here, or possibly the hortatory subjunctive.

  106. 106.

    The Other Steve

    June 20, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    But with every seal comes a can of budweiser.

    Are you saying budweiser is elitist?

  107. 107.

    SamFromUtah

    June 20, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Families from “old money” have seals.

    I forgot – what’s the URL on the Carnegie seal again?

  108. 108.

    skippy

    June 20, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    it looks to me a little 1930’s…like the seal for the dept. of weights and measures or something.

    it’s definitely too retro to inspire the future.

  109. 109.

    kate r

    June 20, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Can I love this conversation as much as the whole “I am aware of all internet traditions” bushwa or is it too tacky to have two faves so close together?

  110. 110.

    kate r

    June 20, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    oh, but I don’t want the tee-shirt…unless it lit up and swirled like Jon H described.

  111. 111.

    Laertes

    June 20, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Michael D: You’re a caricature of the whiny, prissy, impossible-to-please Democrat. Sack up already, you nancy.

  112. 112.

    w vincentz

    June 20, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Possums huh?
    Though not indigenous to the Roman world, these tastey little marsupials aren’t too bad. It’s a “soul food” thing.
    Just be sure to wash ’em good, stuff ’em with sweet potatoes, wrap ’em in bacon, and give ’em about two hours over hickory coals. Serve with collard greens on the side.
    YUM!
    Oh…the seal is obviously “code” for the African-Americans, or NEGROS in GOP-speak.
    I was hoping for woodchucks as they are much more tender, but possums are a close second.
    BTW, woodchucks will never allow their phones to be tapped, and they also sunbathe nude. Oh the outrage.

  113. 113.

    Martin

    June 20, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Are you saying budweiser is elitist?

    Not yet. Once the europeans buy it, it’ll be totally elitist. Will it stop being a domestic then?

  114. 114.

    Seitz

    June 20, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    I’m seeing a few more eagles on the website, but nothing like this.

    The luxurious seats are stuffed with eagle down and the dashboard inlaid with the beaks of a thousand eagles. Also, there are some eagles under the floorboards.

    Yes, and yet–

    [He sighs.]

    It is just … the luxury edition has so much more eagle. It saddens me to think of you missing out.

  115. 115.

    EJ

    June 20, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Thanks to whomever brought up the Ben Franklin quote, I’m totally thinking he should have used a turkey instead. Maybe closer to the election, with Thanksgiving coming up.

    We can always hope…

  116. 116.

    EJ

    June 20, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    I’ve noticed that he is sometimes photographed posing near an American flag. Not to mention, some campaign appearances have been decorated with red, white, and blue bunting.

    Fascist.

  117. 117.

    w vincentz

    June 20, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Eagles, falcons…duh.
    You have to boil the shit out of ’em, then marinade for three days. Then put them on the charcoal for about five hours and baste ’em constantly.
    When they’re done, just toss ’em in the compost and eat the charcoal or order out Chinese take out.
    Never believe anyone that tells you that eagles or falcons taste like chicken. Heck, if more people knew what they really tasted like, these tough birds would never have been endangered.
    Now, spotted owls are a bit different but I won’t get into it other than to say make a gravy with butter in it.

  118. 118.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Not yet. Once the europeans buy it, it’ll be totally elitist.

    Well it is – ahem – the king of beers.

  119. 119.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 20, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Oops on the blockquote thing.

  120. 120.

    nepat

    June 20, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Where do you fair weather fans come from anyway? The logo is totally fine. It’s a friggin’ logo fer chrissakes, you mad pack of angry literalists. Elitist? Did you miss the “Obama for America” part? Stop fixating on the eagle fer chrissakes and loosen up. Where’s Jeremiah Wright when you need him?

  121. 121.

    kate r

    June 20, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    yeah where is the Rev? I predicted that he’d be trotted out by MSM every time there was a disaster to give the African American perspective but I guess his fifteen minutes are up. Back to the old standards of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to represent …. what? how many millions of the US population now?

  122. 122.

    SpotWeld

    June 20, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    … I guess it’s difficult to call him unpatriotic now? Or not.. I just keep thinking how long it is until Nov.

  123. 123.

    leo

    June 20, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    I mean, if all the photos of him up in the clouds on his website hasn’t had an effect on you, why start now?

    In any case, look on the bright side: the latin is nice.

  124. 124.

    empty

    June 20, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Zuzu’s Petals Says:

    Oh criminey. When you go to his website, this is the background image that first comes up:

    eagle thingy

    Crimeny.

    Is that eagle laying an egg?

  125. 125.

    Tractarian

    June 20, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    @Jinxi:

    All of the Obama campaign emails to me say “Dear [my first name]”

    Seems like your problem is they don’t know your name.

  126. 126.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 21, 2008 at 12:36 am

    All of the Obama campaign emails to me say “Dear [my first name]”

    Seems like your problem is they don’t know your name.

    All mine start “Dear Fuckhead..” but I send ’em money anyway.

  127. 127.

    Tom in Texas

    June 21, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Well I for one think the Weekly Standard is raising a very valid question. Did Obama break the law by creating this seal?

    18 USC Sec. 713 …
    (a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

    (b) Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

    Of course, the answer to (a) is no. They were not trying to convey an impression of sponsorship or approval by the US Government. and (b) seems like a bit of a no as well, since they aren’t selling the thing. Lapel pins are probably out now though.

  128. 128.

    Jon H

    June 21, 2008 at 1:21 am

    skippy wrote: “it looks to me a little 1930’s…like the seal for the dept. of weights and measures or something.”

    Or the Federal Reserve?

    Like, just the thing you’d want to show at an economic confab?

  129. 129.

    Jon H

    June 21, 2008 at 1:25 am

    Still no sign of it on the obama website in any way that suggests this is something they’re going to use generally, rather than something specific to the economy event it was displayed at.

  130. 130.

    Zuzu's Petals

    June 21, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Of course, the answer to (a) is no. They were not trying to convey an impression of sponsorship or approval by the US Government. and (b) seems like a bit of a no as well, since they aren’t selling the thing. Lapel pins are probably out now though.

    And it’s not even close to a replica or facsimile, or really even a “substantial part” of the seal.

    Nevertheless, the right will have a mini-feeding frenzy over the question. Not to mention ridiculing the pomposity of the thing. And the Obama campaign set themselves up for it.

    In my opinion anyway.

  131. 131.

    charlotte

    June 21, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Apropos of nothing, Flash Gordon was on yesterday. Dale Arden: “I love you, Flash, but we only have 11 hours to save the world.”

    The seal, the flags, the FISA trap that Obama has wisely managed to avoid for the moment … I dunno … I’m with Dale and Flash on this stuff for the time being.

    First, we need to win — Then we get to begin to clean up the overwhelming mess. I’m not keen on anymore Ming administrations.

    The seal is a bit much but I kind of like a fellow who acknowledges the operatic nature of this campaign. And if the stop gap FISA decision has some elements of left throwing a tantrum, perhaps all the better for Obama.

  132. 132.

    Obamurai

    June 21, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Hello? Dog whistle, anyone?

    That big Obama “O” in the middle is pretty clearly a gaping seppuku wound spilling out the national eagle’s bowels and ritually vindicating America’s honor. Obama’s hit a homuran with this one.

  133. 133.

    ACK

    June 21, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    What an arrogant guy BHO is. He turns historic speeches into Raci$t rants, thumbs his nose at the flag and the pledge, turns national symbols into his own etc.. Hey let’s ALL vote for him!

    Then we can all say “see I voted for a black guy, so I’m not raci$t… right?”

    I guess when he’s elected he can sign into law that the country will now be called The United States of Obama.

    Then perhaps we can all get chips implanted in our hands so, for instance, we won’t cut anymore trees for paper money and we can just pay with a “fast pass” chip.

    Yeah yeah.

    And the chip can tell if your kids will have a bad disposition through DNA mapping, so we can go ahead and abort before we bring any “bad” people into the world.

    Yeah Yeah.

    Then we can track you so, just in case you get lost, we’ll find you..

    Yeah yeah…

    Then we can separate people into different “classes” so we don’t offend the others that don’t fit in.

    Yeah yeah. Then we’ll have the utopia we all dream of..

    LOL
    I’m joking folks don’t be hatin’….. Get a sense of humor.

  134. 134.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 21, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    I’m joking folks don’t be hatin’….. Get a sense of humor.

    If you have to tell folks yer joking it may be you that needs to get a sense of humor.

  135. 135.

    LanceThruster

    June 22, 2008 at 6:54 am

    As others have noted the resemblance to the Ramones logo, when they put it on a black t-shirt, I’m getting one.

    I wasn’t keen on it at first, but it is growing on me. (I wonder if Rethuglicans will goof on it and replace the eagle with a crow?)

  136. 136.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    June 22, 2008 at 10:53 am

    I’m joking folks don’t be hatin’….. Get a sense of humor.

    A real spoof would never admit to being a spoof…

  137. 137.

    Original Lee

    June 22, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Actually, I think this seal is pretty cool, because the rabid anti-MUPs will see it and spread it all over the Internet thinking it says, “True Possum.” That is some serious gamesmanship, my friends.

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