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by John Cole|  July 9, 20108:57 pm| 147 Comments

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I’m trying to figure out how to entertain myself this evening. Think I am going to read that new Barry Eisler book sitting on my stand.

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  1. 1.

    mcd410x

    July 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    If you haven’t seen the Cleveland Plain Dealer front page from this morning, it’s super awesome.

  2. 2.

    MikeJ

    July 9, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Don’t we have our very own in house thriller/detective writer in house here?

  3. 3.

    ellaesther

    July 9, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    @mcd410x: No I hadn’t, and yes it is. “Zero rings,” indeed.

  4. 4.

    Gordon, The Big Express Engine

    July 9, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Those Steig Larsson books are really good.

    Also, has anyone here read 2666 by Roberto Bolano? I am in the final pages and while parts of it were incredible, I am still trying to make sense of it all…

  5. 5.

    Comrade Mary

    July 9, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Yes, MikeJ, and I know he’s from Toronto, but I’ll be damned if I can find his site that I’m pretty sure I bookmarked a few months back.

  6. 6.

    ellaesther

    July 9, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    I’m finally reading the Two Towers, mere pages (in Tolkien terms) from the end with plans to read Return of the King.

    I think they’ll finally laminate my geek license now.

  7. 7.

    Gordon, The Big Express Engine

    July 9, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    @ellaesther: “You shall not pass!!!”

    (I know that was in FotR)

  8. 8.

    Comrade Mary

    July 9, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    @Comrade Mary: Aha! John McFetridge.

    (What’s the difference between a librarian and a pit bull? The pit bull gives up first.)

  9. 9.

    debit

    July 9, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    I just got back from the maiden voyage of the doggie trailer for the bike. Chloe was not impressed or amused. Mostly she just wanted out. Obviously, this will be a process.

    The cats, on the other hand, think it’s the coolest thing ever. As long as it’s not moving.

  10. 10.

    Comrade Mary

    July 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    OMG. Did you not get video? (I assume you were busy navigating or consoling, but seriously — get a confederate to film the next attempt!)

  11. 11.

    jeffreyw

    July 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    May I offer you a scone?

  12. 12.

    ellaesther

    July 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    @Gordon, The Big Express Engine: Indeed. And Ian McKellen is the one hollering it.

    I really, but really disliked FoTR (the book). Absolutely refused to move forward (having loved The Hobbit and read it several times) — so I actually DID NOT PASS.

    But I’ve watched the movies so many times now, and love them with a love that would be stalker-esque, if they were people, and I finally decided I had to go back to the source material.

    I’m enjoying TTT, but I could not swear that that’s not because I’m seeing the movie as I read.

    But still — that geek card. That’s worth it!

  13. 13.

    Mark S.

    July 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    @ellaesther:

    How did you ever get even a non-laminated geek license if you haven’t read LOTR yet? I call for an immediate investigation!

  14. 14.

    jeffreyw

    July 9, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Mmm…fried green tomatoes.

  15. 15.

    donnah

    July 9, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Why aren’t you playing with your iPad?!

    I got mine the same day you got yours and I’m having such a great time with it. I’ve added apps and music and my photo files.

    I added Pages app and will be using this for some note-taking and writing. I also have a couple of books on my shelf.

    It’s the best toy; I can’t believe you aren’t all over it.

  16. 16.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    July 9, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    I interviewed for a job with the IRS. I’m fairly confident, because I did the same thing 18 months ago and they offered me a position, sort of.[footnote] I think I can do it again.

    The only problem is that it’s for a position in Boston. I don’t object to the idea of living there. I don’t even object to the idea of moving there, in principle. It’s the actuality of doing so with 3-4 cats that is giving me problems. I don’t want to buy a house if I go there, but I’m worried about finding an apartment that will let me have them.

    More, they send you for a month’s training right after you start the job, so the sequence would be that I get to Boston, stay there for two weeks and then leave for a month. The idea of finding someone to take care of the furry critters in a brand new city is a bit overwhelming. It’s also not fair to the cats to just abandon them after a move.

    It’s a little harder since I need to find a place without carpets. Eddie has stopped using the litter box. I’m going to get one that’s uncovered and see if that helps, as I think that’s an issue with him. It’s a good thing he’s so damned sweet.

    [footnote] [I’m sure as hell not going to leave asterices lying around in my posts.] They called me one morning and offered me a GS7 position. I said I’d take it. Then the woman asked me, “I just want to be sure. Have you taken a class in advanced accounting?” I asked her what she meant by advanced accounting. Basically, the best she could do was to say that the course should have the word “Advanced” in the title. I told her that, no, I hadn’t, and that I’d sent a copy of my transcript with my application, just liked they’d asked, so she ought to know exactly what classes I’d taken.

    The offer was withdrawn.

  17. 17.

    ks

    July 9, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Think I am going to read that new Barry Eisler book sitting on my stand.

    Wouldn’t a chair be more comfortable?

  18. 18.

    jeffreyw

    July 9, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    I downloaded Matterhorn to my Nook the other day. Haven’t started it yet.

    Same for War, the new one out from Sebastian Junger.

  19. 19.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    July 9, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    @ellaesther: The second quarter of Fellowship is a trainwreck. The first quarter makes for nice set up, and once they get to Bree things start to move. Between there, though, what you have is a frustrated author (Tolkien, at that point of his career) throwing in little pieces of all of his unpublished manuscripts in order to impress his kid that he is doing something.

    The reason it seems like Tom Bombadil doesn’t fit anywhere in the concept of Middle Earth is because he doesn’t. It’s a pure self-indulgent digression. Cutting him was the smartest thing Peter Jackson did.

  20. 20.

    HRA

    July 9, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    I just finished Eiffel’s Tower by Jill Jonnes.

    The one I read before it is Johnstown Flood by David McCullough.

  21. 21.

    debit

    July 9, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    @Comrade Mary: No video or even pics; I was too eager to try it out. I’d love to see what she’s doing back there, so I’ll have to browbeat my daughter into coming along one of these times. That, or figure out a way to mount a camera on my rear rack.

    For anyone thinking of purchasing something like this for their smallish dog, I highly recommend this trailer. Very light and easy to pull, took about 2 minutes to assemble, nice solid construction. And the flag is very jaunty.

  22. 22.

    debit

    July 9, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    @jeffreyw: Mmmmmm, lemon curd. Looks yummy.

  23. 23.

    jeffreyw

    July 9, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Those of you with eReaders of some sort may enjoy the free download of Rudy Rucker’s Ware Tetralogy available in several formats here.
    Also available in HTML and PDF, same place. It’s an interesting read, esp for a series that started in 1982 (iirc).
    I downloaded the PDF before I got the Nook, I’m reading it on the Nook but there are pagination issues. Wish I had seen the ePub download before now.

  24. 24.

    ellaesther

    July 9, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    @Mark S.: I think it was my dedication to The Hobbit, Star Trek, and Guy Gavriel Kay.

    And the fact that I skipped school to see the first showing of Empire, and subsequently saw it something like 11 times over the course of the summer, at one point just staying in my seat and watching it twice in a row (with friends. I stress: I had friends with whom I did all this stuff). And I had genuine arguments, all summer long, as to whether Darth Vader was lying or not.

    (I actually very recently told someone that “I am geeky above my skill-set,” and that’s just the truth).

  25. 25.

    SIA

    July 9, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    @jeffreyw: I could so hit that.

  26. 26.

    freelancer

    July 9, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    @ks:

    I swear, parsing Cole’s sentence construction to intuit intentionally false meanings is one of my favorite things about the people here. So goddamned funny.

    +1

  27. 27.

    MikeJ

    July 9, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    @Comrade Mary: I could have sworn he was from North Carolina, but I too am teh suck at remembering where his website was.

  28. 28.

    asdf

    July 9, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Fried green tomatoes? Good work, jeffreyw. I assume that topping is feta? Personally, I just use a little blue cheese salad dressing but I’ll take feta under advisement.

    Had a BLT with fried green tomatoes in Charleston, SC last year. Best thing ever.

  29. 29.

    jl

    July 9, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    @jeffreyw: Damn you jefferyw, you are going for my weak spots tonight. Scones with jam and lemon curd? Fried green tomaters?

    I tried to reach through the screen, but couldn’t get them.

    I need a fix! Right now!

  30. 30.

    Corner Stone

    July 9, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Or you could read Kthug:

    How did things end up this way? We’ll never know whether the administration could have passed a bigger plan; we do know that it didn’t try.

    I’d like to say something uplifting here; but right now I’m feeling pretty bleak.

  31. 31.

    jeffreyw

    July 9, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    @debit: LOL, this morning I hadn’t even heard of lemon curd. Makes a right nice chicken dish, too.

  32. 32.

    jl

    July 9, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    @jeffreyw: Stop it! No more.

  33. 33.

    General Stuck

    July 9, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Here is tiny cactus flower I photographed today in a field while walking Charlie. It is some kind of Barrel Cactus but I am too lazy to look it up.

    And as often occurs, we ran across a group of deer and Charlie went crazy, but this time when he bolted out to chase them, when he got to the end of the leash, he also jumped into the air. And did a complete flip and landed on his feet. So funny, wish I had a video recorder.

  34. 34.

    ellaesther

    July 9, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: …aaaand you have just cut straight to the heart of the matter.

    Tom Bombadil was the worst of it, but there was a LOT in that book that just made me clutch my head and long for an editor — “little pieces of all his unpublished manuscripts” is certainly how it felt.

    As a person who spent most of her adolescence reading science fiction and fantasy, I’m not sure how I never got around to the trilogy before, but one year my husband just went “That’s it, here you go” and gave it to me for Hanukkah. And, given my reading background, I got to the end knowing full well that Gandalf would be coming back (in fantasy as in science fiction, if you don’t see the body, they’re not really dead) — and I didn’t care. And I just went: Wow. If Tolkien couldn’t make me care if Gandalf comes back? I believe I’m done here.

  35. 35.

    jeffreyw

    July 9, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    @asdf: Yup, the feta was handy. I have some Maytag blue cheese I need to put on something other than a cracker. Haven’t decided yet what.

  36. 36.

    mr. whipple

    July 9, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    How did things end up this way? We’ll never know whether the administration could have passed a bigger plan; we do know that it didn’t try.

    Krugman still can’t count fucking votes.

    Even if the stimulus was doubled(politically impossible), what would unemployment be today, 8.5% or so? And that would be acceptable?

    I also fault Obama for not trying to give me a glittery pony. He could have at least tried.

  37. 37.

    jeffreyw

    July 9, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Goat cheese works great on eggs.

  38. 38.

    Adam Collyer

    July 9, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Anyone watching Dateline tonight? This whole story of Billy Cope, false confessions and DNA exoneration is insane.

    It’s a bar reviewing student’s best friend and a great Criminal Procedure review, but what a nightmare…

  39. 39.

    eemom

    July 9, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    There’s some babbling going on over at memeorandum about Clarence Thomas’ nephew getting tased. Dunno what he did, but jeez, you’d think being Thomas’ nephew would be punishment enough.

    I can’t focus on it right now though — I’m still trying to come to terms with the basketball dude moving to Miami.

  40. 40.

    SIA

    July 9, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    @General Stuck: Being an east-coaster, it’s incredible to me the colors and shapes of the flowers in your neck of the woods. And the light is so different. Really beautiful.

  41. 41.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    July 9, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    @ellaesther: In fairness, it’s important to keep in mind that none of Tolkien’s Middle-Earth stuff was written with the intention of publication. The Lord of the Rings was written as a serial that he sent in pieces to his son when the son (I can’t remember which one, though it would be fitting if it were Christopher) was posted overseas during WWII.

    Tolkien always thought of Middle-Earth as a hobby, not his work. His work was translation of Old English epics. Publishing The Hobbit was almost an accident, and LOTR was just the follow up. Everything after that (such as The Silmarillion) was published posthumously by Christopher. As it happens, I’m very glad that Christopher Tolkien has gone to the trouble of publishing everything possible. It provides a fascinating look at the evolution of the Middle-Earth stories. It’s just that very little of it should be mistaken for something that J.R.R. Tolkien thought ought to be seen by the public.

    Then again, I also love The Silmarillion and think the world would be the worse for it never having seen the light of day. Opinions on this differ. Wildly.

  42. 42.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    July 9, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    @General Stuck: I just left a reply to your Bagram question hours after everyone else left that thread. Just in case you weren’t going back there.

  43. 43.

    Nellcote

    July 9, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Ann Coulter goes anti-war

    Coulter says the Iraq War was “magnificently successful,” but nation-building in Afghanistan is a lost cause and huge drain of resources. “I thought the irreducible requirements of Republicanism were being for life, small government and a strong national defense, but I guess permanent war is on the platter now, too,” she wrote.

    Jeebus, these assh*les could give a person whiplash!

  44. 44.

    General Stuck

    July 9, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal:

    Thanks!

  45. 45.

    Mark S.

    July 9, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    @ellaesther:

    Actually, I read the Hobbit when I was 12 or so and then tried to read FOTR and gave up. I finally went back and read them all while the movies were coming out and even read The Silmarillion, where there are fifteen elven brothers whose names all start with F.

    This reminded me of a funny review of the cartoon (I’m sorry, stop-action) movie they did in the 70’s.

  46. 46.

    Nellcote

    July 9, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    @mr. whipple:

    I also fault Obama for not trying to give me a glittery pony. He could have at least tried.

    There’s an anonymous hold on it in the senate.

  47. 47.

    General Stuck

    July 9, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    @SIA: Thanks sia. The lighting is different and enhances photography out here imo. But it is the desert, and most everything is brown, with some green as I am close to the mountains. The wildflowers are awesome in their colors, but they are not abundant like back east. It’s funny, I am terribly envious of folks who live in the tropics with the variety of wildlife of all kinds. Will never go there but love to see photos on flickr. The internet makes travel to far off places possible without leaving your house.

  48. 48.

    Svenser

    July 9, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    I posted this on another thread. There is definitely a dead critter involved, if not 4 dead critters…

    OT, but speaking of sporting life—we seem to have a, ahem, very dead groundhog under our shed, judging from the smell and the number of flies. The shed (which was here when we bought the joint) has a concrete base and is not movable. Any ideas for cutting down on the odor and the flies? (Question is, is it just the mom, the mom and all 3 pups, or a variety?)

    Is it wrong to celebrate the death of a fellow creature? Particularly one that is quite cute? And fat from eating ALL MY VEGETABLES?!

    The smell, she is not so good, tho.

  49. 49.

    Svensker

    July 9, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Oh, John, I’m in moderation cuz I mis-spelled my name. Different computer. Sorry.

  50. 50.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    July 9, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    @Svensker: You know who else misspelled his name?

  51. 51.

    Corner Stone

    July 9, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: Sergei Alexandropov Kalitnikoffaya?

  52. 52.

    SIA

    July 9, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    @General Stuck: Yeah I think the neutral background is what makes the flowers you do have so stunning.

    Charlie looks stunning too. :)

  53. 53.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    July 9, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    @Corner Stone: Besides him.

  54. 54.

    Svensker

    July 9, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    OK, imma post this yet again, but things are getting really stinky. (You know who else got stinky?)

    OT, but speaking of sporting life—we seem to have a, ahem, very dead groundhog under our shed, judging from the smell and the number of flies. The shed (which was here when we bought the joint) has a concrete base and is not movable. Any ideas for cutting down on the odor and the flies? (Question is, is it just the mom, the mom and all 3 pups, or a variety?)

    Is it wrong to celebrate the death of a fellow creature? Particularly one that is quite cute? And fat from eating ALL MY VEGETABLES?!

    The smell, she is not so good, tho.

  55. 55.

    plaindave

    July 9, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    For John,

    The Story of Edgar Sawtelle.

  56. 56.

    SIA

    July 9, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    General Stuck: this should be in National Geographic.

  57. 57.

    Corner Stone

    July 9, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: Nostradamus when he spelled it “Histler”?
    Otherwise I got nothing.

  58. 58.

    Svensker

    July 9, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    LOL

  59. 59.

    General Stuck

    July 9, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    @SIA: The Odd Couple.:-)

  60. 60.

    corkbouy

    July 9, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    longtime lurker here.
    I just read the Eisler book and have to say it was enjoyable. A big step up from the previous book featuring the new character.

    Also now in the middle of matterhorn. for the first 100 pages I thought it was a sub standard 13th valley, but I’m glad I’ve continued since the characters have grown on me and the way the politics/networking is handled is excellent.

  61. 61.

    Zuzu's Petals

    July 9, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Just discovered my 19-year-old cat peeing in my shower, thirty feet from his litter box.

    I guess I’m mostly just glad he didn’t find a virgin area on my hardwood floors. That of course, would have required a LOT of detective work.

  62. 62.

    hamletta

    July 9, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    I fixed my DVD player! Woot!

    Stupid $30 thing, but I just bought it last fall. Couldn’t stand the thought that anything under $200 is supposed to be disposable, so I took off the cover, plugged it in, and loaded it up. The platter wouldn’t spin, so I gave it a little nudge, and all was well. Gonna try again with the good player El Cheapo replaced.

    Re: Fried green ‘maters: I once tried to make mayonnaise in the blender. It just wouldn’t come together, so I kept adding one more egg yolk. Finally got it to thicken up, but it didn’t taste so much like mayonnaise as some very eggy stuff.

    Few days later, got some green ‘maters, fried ’em up; and I remembered the eggy mayo. Got it out, added a forkful each of minced garlic and horseradish. Gave the ‘maters a schmear, and Oh. Mah. God.

  63. 63.

    Mnemosyne

    July 9, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    For some reason, I recently decided I wanted to read the Dorothy Sayers Lord Peter Wimsey novels, which somehow I’d never quite gotten around to in my various fits of reading mysteries. They really are pretty goddamned good, and I’ve gotten at least five of them electronically from Inkmesh.com.

    Don’t ever let anyone tell you that the 1930s were a more innocent time. Sayers’ Whose Body? makes it extremely clear that the detective knows from the start that the naked body found in the bathtub couldn’t possibly be that of the missing Jewish financier because of what the body is not missing. And I’m about halfway through Strong Poison, where Wimsey meets Harriet Vane, his eventual wife, when she’s put on trial for murdering her live-in boyfriend and there’s not even an hint that she’s somehow tainted for having lived with a man without being married.

    (To bring it back to Tolkien, apparently Sayers was an unofficial Inkling since she was a friend of CS Lewis, but she didn’t get to attend meetings, what with being a chick and all. Bah.)

  64. 64.

    debit

    July 9, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    @hamletta: The trick is to slowly add the oil. Really, really slowly. But then I can only make mayonnaise, for some reason, with a mortar and pestle.

    Before I go to bed, from the depths of the dog trailer, Luther stares at thee. (Sorry about the graininess, the iphone just doesn’t cope well after the sun goes down.) So far, all three cats have been in it to nap, hang out and just generally exude attitudes of, “This is so fucking cool. No, I am so fucking cool. Yeah! In the dog trailer, I am a god!”

  65. 65.

    Mnemosyne

    July 9, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    @debit:

    I’m really tempted to get a dog trailer for our cat Annie to ride in. I have a feeling she would really dig it once she got over being freaked out.

  66. 66.

    debit

    July 10, 2010 at 12:07 am

    @Mnemosyne: You could try it as a stroller first, and see how she did at walking speed. I would recommend a harness and a short tie (there are d rings on each corner inside) to keep her from bolting should she claw through the mesh.

  67. 67.

    burnspbesq

    July 10, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Tough choice – rugby on Fox Soccer Plus or Australian Rules Football on ESPN2?

  68. 68.

    SIA

    July 10, 2010 at 12:24 am

    @Mnemosyne: Whose Body is one of Sayer’s best. I also really like Unnatural Death.

    Won’t comment on Strong Poison since you’re reading it, but I love the Harriet Vane character.

    If there were enough of them to last, I could spend the rest of my life reading Austen, Trollope, and the Golden Age mystery writers including Sayers, Ngaio Marsh, Ethel Lina White & Agatha Christie. LOVE that genre.

    Edit: remove the word “love” at least once.

  69. 69.

    SIA

    July 10, 2010 at 12:27 am

    @corkbouy: Which of the other ones have you read? Think I might have to add to my reading list.

  70. 70.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 12:34 am

    @SIA:

    Have you read Kate Ross’ four books? If not, they’re a great blend of Sayers and Austen since they’re set among the gentry and aristocracy in Regency England. Whom the Gods Love, in particular, is extremely Sayers-like (though I didn’t realize it at the time since I’m only just reading Sayers now).

    Sadly, Ross died of cancer before she could publish more, but they’re terrific mysteries.

  71. 71.

    b-psycho

    July 10, 2010 at 12:37 am

    For some strange reason, WaPo let Rick Barber “explain” his campaign ad. I spotted a dogwhistle in his explanation, can you?

  72. 72.

    hamletta

    July 10, 2010 at 12:55 am

    @Mnemosyne: Not surprising at all to a pre-code movie fan.

    America was ready for frankness back then, but the League of Decency and various state and local pecksniffs would have none of it.

    I’ve never heard of any of those bluenoses of yore using homoerotic imagery like “shoving it down our throat” in relation to Jimmy Cagney, but I could be wrong.

  73. 73.

    IndyLib

    July 10, 2010 at 1:05 am

    @ellaesther:

    I love GGK, he’s one of my all-time favorite authors.

    As for the geek card, I’ll substitute reading every single Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever and The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant book for LOTR. I read all of LOTR, but meh.
    And I’ll substitute Star Trek for Star Wars. Don’t get me wrong, I love Star Wars, but as a 10 yr. old girl Capt. Kirk and Mr. Spock spoke to me in a way that Luke and Darth Vadar just didn’t (don’t ask me what that says about me, I’m sure I don’t want to know).

  74. 74.

    Elizabelle

    July 10, 2010 at 1:28 am

    @b-psycho:

    re the Rick Barber op ed in Fred Hiatt’s Washington Post.

    Wow. Museum quality piece of peak wingnut, and a few years ago one would have been surprised that it ran in the Washington Post.

    OTOH, it’s so out there, maybe it will alarm some people into looking a little closer at what electing fools like this might bring?

  75. 75.

    Elizabelle

    July 10, 2010 at 1:30 am

    PS: b-psycho: what did you think was a dogwhistle? I thought the whole piece was pretty blatant … but it might have been too subtle for me.

  76. 76.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 1:45 am

    @Elizabelle: It’s not just one dog whistle in there, it’s full of them. He bemoans the politics of fear and yet feels free to utilize those politics to advance his own career. Of course there are enough folks out there who will buy the cwap and vote for him without hesitation. It’s why the teabaggers aren’t letting up, if they win just one election they’ll take that as a sign they are on the ascendancy and double down on the crazy. It’s gonna get worse before it gets better.

  77. 77.

    b-psycho

    July 10, 2010 at 1:50 am

    @Elizabelle:

    The Obama administration has inflated our money supply by more than 120 percent, refused to connect the dots between self-proclaimed jihadists and Islam and done nothing to secure our borders, all the while insisting that more government is the answer to our nation’s problems.

    Translation: “muslim = terrorist, dammit!! Who are you covering for!?”

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 1:58 am

    @hamletta:

    Nope, not surprising, but fun to shove peoples’ noses into.

    If you’re into pre-Code movies, I found a really fun book in a thrift store called Complicated Women — I keep meaning to buy the companion, Dangerous Men. It really gives you a whole new look at stars like Norma Shearer, whose post-Code work makes you wonder why the heck they were stars in the first place. And then you see, say, The Divorcee or Riptide and go, “Oh, I get it now!”

  79. 79.

    jank_w

    July 10, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Hey John, since you talk about tv series you sometimes watch (though I don’t understand your unhealthy fascination with Chuck), I caught one I’d never heard of today called The Good Guys. A kind of funny cop show by the Burn Notice guy with Bradley Whitford in a mustache. Made me laugh, I was surprised I’d never heard of it, could probably recommend it based on the what I saw if you’re looking for a decent show. http://www.hulu.com/the-good-guys

  80. 80.

    b-psycho

    July 10, 2010 at 2:11 am

    BTW: the failure by xenophobic wingnuts to realize that the type of immigration law enforcement they clamor for would involve the same “big government” they bitch about otherwise is always good for a chuckle.

  81. 81.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:14 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    Even though they didn’t have much to do with the original novels, I liked the Masterpiece Theatre adaptations of the Wimsey novels with Ian Carmichael as Wimsey back in the ’70s. I shudder to think how they would hold up on viewing now, though.

    But, yeah, Sayers always struck me as a little “edgier”–not the proper term for those times, of course–than Agatha Christie.

  82. 82.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:16 am

    @burnspbesq:

    Aussie Rules, of course. Go, Geelong Cats!

    (As usual, I am disappointed that neither of my favorite teams is playing–Footscray or St. Kilda. Just love the names.)

  83. 83.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:22 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    Ditto for Barbara Stanwyck (although she had a later noir period that came full circle).

  84. 84.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:25 am

    @jank_w:

    Jeez, I have been promoting that here–unsuccessfully–over the last month or so. The writing is still fumbling around a bit, but the show is pretty damn funny. Bradley Whitford is hilarious as the ’80s throwback cop, and Colin Hanks is a pretty good straight man.

  85. 85.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:27 am

    Okay, always a bad sign when you have four posts in a row (now five, I guess) on a thread. Back away slowly, don’t make eye contact. The curse of the night shift.

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 2:28 am

    @Steeplejack:

    I’ve been a big PG Wodehouse fan since high school (20mumble years ago) and it’s really entertaining to see the conscious connections Sayers makes between Wimsey and Bertie Wooster, to the point where characters within the book make the comparisons. IIRC, Wodehouse would often return the favor and reference Sayers’ work in his stuff.

    In fact, I’m such a huge Wodehouse geek that I have a book in my collection called Wooster Proposes, Jeeves Disposes, Or, Le Mot Juste that does a full literary analysis of the Jeeves and Wooster books and stories. And a surprisingly amusing one, with a lot of insight, especially about how Wodehouse plays with the detective genre.

  87. 87.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 2:28 am

    @Steeplejack: Breathe now, it’s okay, just relax. The men in the white coats are your friends, you’ll see, it’ll all be all right?

    (Was that soothing enough? No? Tase him then.)

  88. 88.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 2:39 am

    @Yutsano:
    And they’re coming to take me away ha-haaa
    They’re coming to take me away ho ho hee hee ha haaa
    To the funny farm
    Where life is beautiful all the time
    And I’ll be happy to see those nice young men
    In their clean white coats
    And they’re coming to take me away ha haaa

  89. 89.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:41 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’ll have to check out that book. I love Wodehouse, both as a writer and in the filmed adaptations (Wodehouse Playhouse and Laurie and Fry’s Jeeves and Wooster).

    Haven’t seen Wodehouse Playhouse in ages, but I recently discovered that it is available on DVD. I’m a little nervous to see if it holds up.

  90. 90.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:42 am

    @MattR:

    Man, haven’t heard that one in a while. Thanks (I think).

  91. 91.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 2:46 am

    @Steeplejack: I’m so glad someone picked up on vibe and decided to run with it. Ahh Doctor Demento we hardly knew ye.

  92. 92.

    Platonicspoof

    July 10, 2010 at 2:51 am

    @jank_w:

    . . . though I don’t understand your unhealthy fascination with Chuck . . .

    I picture ‘all your remote controls belong to Tunch’, and Cole watching just so he knows what Tunch is watching planning to do with the evidence.

  93. 93.

    Elizabelle

    July 10, 2010 at 2:52 am

    Hello evening shift.

    Who’s an insomniac, a West Coaster, or just plain a night owl?

    Good book suggestions. Have this terrible feeling we are all going to have a lot more time to read in the coming years. Inexpensive pastime.

    ====
    b-psycho: thanks re dogwhistle explanation. Is being overtaken by Islamists or becoming a cog in the totalitarian state worse?

    I thought your dogwhistle was this:

    [Obama’s] actions, words and policy suggest that he doesn’t much care for the free market or our American heritage.

    as in, OUR American heritage, not his.

  94. 94.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:53 am

    @Yutsano:

    Hey, the tragedy is that I remember that from when it was originally out. No Dr. Demento mediation needed. Ugh. I iz old.

    This is all I got.

  95. 95.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 2:55 am

    @Elizabelle:

    [. . .] just plain a night owl?

    [Raises hand, executes “aw, shucks” movement]

  96. 96.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 2:57 am

    @Steeplejack: Hoot hoot. I’m a mix of West Coaster and night owl.

  97. 97.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 3:07 am

    @Steeplejack: The doctor is in.

    @Elizabelle: Night owl here.

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 3:08 am

    @Elizabelle:

    West Coaster night owl. I need to sign off soon, though — cleaning people are coming tomorrow morning. Why did I have to be an ADD slob who has to have cleaning people come twice a month lest her apartment look like one of those houses on “Hoarders”?

  99. 99.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 3:11 am

    @Mnemosyne: I did want to let you know I was watching TV tonight and saw the most amazing restaurant: Stella Mare in Montecito. I know it’s a bit further north than you are, but it’s in a greenhouse next to a bird sanctuary. And crab stuffed sole! Seems like a great place for a special evening.

    EDIT: the website.

  100. 100.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 3:12 am

    Book-mo:

    I just finished Alan Furst’s Spies of the Balkans, which is pretty good. I suspect Furst may be a bit of an acquired taste. His specialty is the mise–en–scène of Europe just before and during World War II, before it became apparent that Germany would lose. Lots of angst and dread, but in a good way. Some of his books can be maddening in the way that things are not resolved–and by “not resolved” I mean they just stop in the middle of things–but I recommend him for the bracing experience. The Polish Officer is probably my favorite, followed by The Spies of Warsaw.

    They don’t have to be read in sequence, except for the pair The World at Night and Red Gold, which relate the (downward spiraling) experiences of a Parisian film producer after the Germans take over France. Those two are the most frustrating of all Furst’s books: the second ends literally with a knock on the door in the middle of the night. Room service? The Gestapo? WTF?!

    And now I’m just starting Don Winslow’s “war on drugs” epic The Power of the Dog as a prelude to his new book, Savages, which, according to the New York Times, is going to be his breakout book.

  101. 101.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 3:15 am

    @MattR:

    Heh.

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 3:17 am

    Well, I may as well follow the crowd …

    … with a boot to the head.

  103. 103.

    Elizabelle

    July 10, 2010 at 3:22 am

    I’m a West Coaster and here’s an interesting story from LA Times re earthquakes.

    We have had a few lately.

    As if we don’t already live in interesting enough times …

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/07/increased-earthquake-activity-predicted-for-california-faults.html

  104. 104.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 3:23 am

    @Yutsano:

    It’s too far for a single night, but we go to Santa Barbara a couple of times a year and keep meaning to go to Stella Mare. We rented bikes and rode around the bird refuge and spotted it then. It’s definitely a gorgeous location. Hmm. Maybe we’ll have to go next time we’re up there. Thanks!

    If you’re ever looking for lunch in downtown Santa Barbara, I can highly recommend the Tupelo Junction Cafe (though I wasn’t super-impressed with their dinners). New Southern food with the most dee-lish vegetarian red beans and rice (and I’m not even a vegetarian).

  105. 105.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 3:23 am

    @b-psycho: I read the first few paragraphs before my brain froze (when he was explaining why he was being intentionally provocative with the slavery shtick) and refused to comprehend any more. It’s a good thing, really, as the fury was causing me to almost literally (but only figuratively, really) see red.

    @Elizabelle: I am an insomniac and a night owl, located in the Midwest.

    @Steeplejack: Dude. It happens to me all the time. I just talk amongst myself until someone else happens along.

    P.S. Hi, Yutsy. I love Dr. D.

  106. 106.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 3:24 am

    @Elizabelle:

    Uh-oh. Time to put the kitty earthquake kits together. (We already have the human ones ready to go.)

  107. 107.

    Elizabelle

    July 10, 2010 at 3:28 am

    tech question: how do you fit the links into a sentence?

    As in, link in blue within “LA Times re earthquakes.”

    I am such technical road kill.

  108. 108.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 3:29 am

    @Mnemosyne: Fried green maters. Saw enough, I’m there!

    @asiangrrlMN: For some bizarro reason I’m watching a Sidney Crosby commercial over and over on YouTube. RedKitten may be involved somehow although I haven’t determined her exact involvement yet.

    @Elizabelle: I’ll be honest: I cheat. The sequence that shows up when you hit the reply button is the exact same method for linking to text directly. You just modify it to take out the comment and insert the website you want and then replace the person’s name with whatever text you want and you’re set.

  109. 109.

    Mnemosyne

    July 10, 2010 at 3:29 am

    Since we’re talking about literature books, here’s an all-time internet classic with someone taking down his guilty pleasure, books that he can barely believe were actually published and that cause him to periodically stop and scream the following phrase just to retain his sanity while reading them:

    OH JOHN RINGO NO.

    ETA to add the writer’s word of warning:

    I feel about the PALADIN OF SHADOWS series the way that a lot of people feel about ALL-STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN: it is so horrifically awful that it becomes TOTALLY FUCKING AWESOME. Unless, of course, you have triggers about some or all of this stuff, in which case my recommendation is TO RUN AS FAR AND AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

    So read with caution if you’re easily triggered.

  110. 110.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 3:35 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Dude. It happens to me all the time. I just talk amongst myself until someone else happens along.

    I go into a Floyd hole and start plowing through ever more obscure YouTube videos.

  111. 111.

    Elizabelle

    July 10, 2010 at 3:36 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    It will take our mind off those in our country going nuts.

    David Broder has a column today that’s beyond parody. He interviews someone from the American Enterprise Institute who says lots of nice things about Ronald Reagan.

    Broder thinks the Tea Party has to put on its sunnier face.

  112. 112.

    Elizabelle

    July 10, 2010 at 3:39 am

    @Yutsano:

    That sounds like English.

  113. 113.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 3:41 am

    One last tune and then I should probably call it a night.

  114. 114.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 3:42 am

    @Elizabelle: I am many things, a techno geek I am not. I am never above finding an easier method for accomplishing a task if it can be done. When it occurred to me that the methods were more or less the same it was pretty easy to just adjust from there.

    @asiangrrlMN: BTW dear meant to show you this the other day when I stumbled upon it. Absolutely atrocious picture of her but the interview was great.

  115. 115.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 3:45 am

    @Elizabelle: If you look above the commenting box, there is a link button (it’s in blue). If I want to link something, I copy the link I want to past, then I highlight the text I want to link, say the name of a song, Is There Anybody Out There by Floyd. Then I hit the link button, and a link box will come up. Then, I insert the link. Voila! Link with text in blue! Hopefully, this will work.

    @MattR: Sorry! I fixed it. I realized that mistakes were made.

  116. 116.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 3:45 am

    @Yutsano: @Elizabelle: Y’all don’t have a row of buttons between where it says “Comments” and the actual box where you type your comment?

    @asiangrrlMN: What a tease with that link. You didn’t even pick out a good version for me to listen to :)

  117. 117.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 3:50 am

    @asiangrrlMN: I did try that once. Either that link box no likey FireFox (entirely possible, FYWP) or I r doing it wrong. Since I couldn’t rule out PEBCAK, I’m relying on my slightly more complicated but thus far more reliable method.

  118. 118.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 3:51 am

    @Yutsano: That was wonderful. You are right that the picture sucks, but I forgive her. Sigh. She’s such a guilty pleasure for me.

    @MattR: Ooooh, I like! One great thing about BJ is that the late-night shift has such good taste in music. You turning in? Night!

  119. 119.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 3:57 am

    @asiangrrlMN: FWIW she more than likely didn’t pick that, some idiot editor did. Considering how luminous she looks in the video, you would think they would have selected a better shot. Oh well.

    Did FH #1 get eaten by an exploding cake?

  120. 120.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 3:58 am

    @asiangrrlMN: Well, I should, but probably wont. Here’s another fan video for that same band. Not nearly as well done, but it has pooties and woozles.

    @Yutsano: Go to 2:18 of the video I linked to above and that is my guess for what happened.

  121. 121.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 3:59 am

    @Yutsano: No kidding. I am SURE she didn’t pick it. Dunno where FH#1 is. He flits in and out to his heart’s content. I hope he graces us with his presence BEFORE I hit the sack.

    @MattR: I am waiting for it to load, but I have to ask, WTF are pooties and woozles? P.S. I envision you in NYC for some reason. Right or wrong?

  122. 122.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 3:59 am

    Haven’t cranked this in a while, but it feels appropriate tonight.

  123. 123.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 4:05 am

    @MattR: Huh. I know this song. I like the first one better. Ah, cats and dogs, is that what you were saying? And creepy dancing kid.

    @Steeplejack: Why would you kick me out? What did I ever do to you?

  124. 124.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 4:09 am

    My current song of choice.

  125. 125.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 4:20 am

    @asiangrrlMN: I’ll go with “Tunches and Lilys” next time to prevent any confusion. I lived in NYC for a while in my 20’s but now live in the land far, far away called New Jersey. I’m currently a whopping 35 minute drive from Manhattan without traffic (which never happens). And I may end up a bit closer if/when I find a house to buy.

    And this is the only video for a band that put on perhaps the greatest live show that I have seen. I actually don’t remember many details other than having no idea who they were going in and ended up being blown away by the end of their 40 minute set. Sadly, the video is for a song that is a tribute to Kurt Cobain but the video is a tribute to two members of the band who were killed in a van accident while touring after their first album had been made.

  126. 126.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 4:21 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Not directed at you. Just an awesome beat, plus the ’70s graphics. Loves me some retro Farfisa organ.

  127. 127.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 4:21 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    This must be played full-screen.@asiangrrlMN:

  128. 128.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 4:28 am

    More clouds.

  129. 129.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 4:30 am

    @MattR: Sad story behind the song, but great song. So you’re in Jersey. Hm. I will continue to picture you in NYC if that’s OK with you.

    @Steeplejack: I know. I was just teasing you. As for the Sade video. Um, yeah. I’ll be back in a few minutes….

  130. 130.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 4:31 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Nice one. Tagged and banded.

  131. 131.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 4:35 am

    @asiangrrlMN: Heh. I know what that means. She’ll be, uhh, perusing the Sade videos for a while. Yeah, that’s it.

  132. 132.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 4:42 am

    @asiangrrlMN:
    @Yutsano:

    Amen to that.

  133. 133.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 4:43 am

    @Steeplejack: Love the Saw Doctors. They were recommended to me on Pandora. Best suggestion ever (along with the Waifs).

    @Yutsano: Ahem. Yeah. Um. Alan Rickman! Sorry. Nervous tic.

  134. 134.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 4:47 am

    @asiangrrlMN: I can’t really complain since I like to pretend that I don’t live in Jersey.

    And one more video before I call it a night for real this time (maybe) (though this is probably my favorite song from that album)

  135. 135.

    Steeplejack

    July 10, 2010 at 4:49 am

    I’m out. Sudden systems failure in Sector 5. Mañana.

    (I think it was Sade and Helena Christensen colliding in the massive hardon hadron accelerator. Waiting for black-box analysis.)

  136. 136.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 4:53 am

    @Steeplejack: Cold shower. Cold shower! Else you shall have to knock boots with wifey. Come to think of it…you both would enjoy that. Ignore first instruction please. Carry on my good lad, carry on.

  137. 137.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 4:57 am

    @Yutsano: Post marital sex? What kind of screwed up relationship is that?

    And now for something completely different.

  138. 138.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 4:58 am

    @MattR: I dig that second song very much. Night. Sweet dreams in NYC Joisey. I am not fake-married to Steepman, so it would be outside of my fake-marriages sex. And your robot chicken link did not work. You fix! (h/t Steepman).

    @Steeplejack: Sultry dreams to you, Steepman!

    @Yutsano: Hey, what, huh? I’m knocking boots and don’t even know it? How did that happen?

  139. 139.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 5:01 am

    @MattR: The wrongness, it is teh awesome.

  140. 140.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 5:04 am

    @asiangrrlMN: Ah. I can’t keep up with all your fake husbands. In that case, carry on. :)

    Not sure why the robot chicken link is not working. There is kind of a long pause as it loads that commercial so that may be throwing you off. If it still isn’t working, here is some different Star Wars material to hold you over.

  141. 141.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 5:07 am

    @MattR: Oh, I will! Carrying on is one of my fortes. I’m getting an error message for the first vid. I will get it to work. I am stubborn like that. Gr. It’s not working. Now I haz a grumpy. Oh well. I don’t like Star Wars, anyway.

    @MattR: This one I’ve seen before. It’s hi-larious.

  142. 142.

    Yutsano

    July 10, 2010 at 5:08 am

    @asiangrrlMN: You got lost in Alan Rickmany goodness and poof before you knew it it was happening. Personally I say it about damn time you did a BJer.

    @MattR: FWIW link worked just fine for me. Not certain what the exact issue is there.

    And on that note I’m pooped. Night y’all.

  143. 143.

    MattR

    July 10, 2010 at 5:11 am

    @asiangrrlMN: You definitely dont want to go to sleep with a grumpy. You can go to the youtube search and type “robot chicken star wars gary” and go with the first result.

  144. 144.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 5:13 am

    @Yutsano: I’ve done many BJs, Yutsy! I’m pretty wiped out myself. Night, all. Morning, stuckinred.

  145. 145.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 10, 2010 at 5:16 am

    @MattR: No. I’m just gonna sulk and go to bed. Harrumph. You will just have to make it up to me in the morning! (Later in the morning, that is).

  146. 146.

    Svensker

    July 10, 2010 at 9:07 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Even though they didn’t have much to do with the original novels, I liked the Masterpiece Theatre adaptations of the Wimsey novels with Ian Carmichael as Wimsey back in the ‘70s. I shudder to think how they would hold up on viewing now, though.

    They’re still really good. Ian Carmichael was too old, which really shows in The Nine Tailors, but he really was Wimsey — he felt Peter in his bones. He was actually the force behind getting the shows done because he loved the books so.

  147. 147.

    Mindy Bean

    July 17, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Barry Eisler… You can’t go wrong with that.

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