Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Republicans can’t even be trusted with their own money.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

I’d try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Ah, the different things are different argument.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

How can republicans represent us when they don’t trust women?

Bark louder, little dog.

DeSantis transforms Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

When do the post office & the dmv weigh in on the wuhan virus?

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

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  2. 2.

    Spaghetti Lee

    LIBERAL JOHN COLE ADMITS OBAMA IS MUSLIM, BREAKING AROO AROO, MUST CREDIT JIM HOFT!

  3. 3.

    Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    Since he destroyed heterosexual marriage today, is he still married to Michelle?

  4. 4.

    TooManyDans

    The first militant Christian, Muslim, foreign-born American anti-colonialist President to back gay marriage, that is.

    Pretty damned impressive, if you think about it.

  5. 5.

    Mark S.

    Maybe someone who knows more could tell us if he is the first Kenyan president to do so.

  6. 6.

    Spaghetti Lee

    Cole, I know you’re sick of new headers/categories, etc., but I simply must cast a vote for “Oshkosh-Scranton corridor” from today’s earlier trollfest to become part of the vernacular. It’s absolutely Brooksian in its inanity.

  8. 8.

    Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    Also, the first and only American politician to use a teleprompter, and the only one that ever will.

  9. 9.

    Comrade Jake

    It will be a lot more impressive when “pit-bull soup” appears on the White House menu.

  10. 10.

    Gozer

    Just had a wonderful sirloin and several beers and the Barackness Monster hopefully moved the country in a direction that makes it possible for some of the friends of Dr. Mrs. Gozer and I to enjoy the same marital bliss we’ve enjoyed lo these 10 years. I’m feelin’ groovy.

    +4 (soon to be 5)

  13. 13.

    David Koch

    Romney says gay marriage would violate 3,000 years of recorded history.

    I guess his history book left out the violation of Mormon polygamy.

  15. 15.

    BGinCHI

    A question for the right wing assholes who are always against gay marriage:

    “How is gay marriage more of a threat to marriage than divorce?”

    Seriously. David Gregory, you reading this? Get your ass to work.

  16. 16.

    beltane

    @David Koch: Only 3,000 years of recorded history? This means that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc. were totally cool with gay marriage. Or is the Mormon world even younger than the fundie one. I can’t tell.

  17. 17.

    TooManyDans

    @Mark S.: Figures. Tease.

    I read that whole troll fest earlier but it’s only just now dawning on me that I actually must LIVE in the Scranton-Oshkosh corridor. Funny that I always associated myself so strongly with suburban Chicago and not Scranton, or Oshkosh.

  18. 18.

    rob!

    He’s also a murderer, right?

    Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton…so hard to keep the kneejerk wingnut accusations lobbed at any and all Democratic presidents straight!

  19. 19.

    Alison

    Watching the wingnuts freak out has been the second best part of this whole thing. They really are so fucking pathetic.

  21. 21.

    Comrade Coffin

    According to teh Google, “Scranton to Oshkosh corridor” is a Tweetyism.
    I like that term less than I did two minutes ago.

  23. 23.

    foggy follansbye

    I think it’s hilarious that google ads is now throwing cute pictures of hot guys at me because of this site’s content today. And they are in my neighborhood!

    Can we have a couple posts about Kat Denning or Cobie Smulders please?

  24. 24.

    Mnemosyne

    @David Koch:

    Dude, I completely forgot about the Mormon polygamy aspect of this! Now the Mittster gets to denounce the fundamentalists of his own religion for trying to tinker with marriage and explain why polygamy was good enough for Joseph Smith but not for him. Ha!

  25. 25.

    Clime Acts

    not only is President Obama the first President to support gay marriage,

    Incorrectly stated, John. As per usual you are covering Barack’s ass for him.

    More accurately represented, Obama is the first president to allege that he PERSONALLY supports gay marriage, while assuring the neanderthals that in states where the bigots rule and it is against the law, he is fine with that too. So it’s all good.

  27. 27.

    amk

    Can’t wait for Biden to talk about pot.

    And yeah, stewart and colbert can suck it.

  28. 28.

    gbear

    @David Koch:

    Romney says gay marriage would violate 3,000 years of recorded history.

    Did you know that the reason dinosaurs died off is because they all chose the homosexual lifestyle?

  29. 29.

    danielx

    Why oh why do I get this banner at the top of the page touting Ann Coulter’s column for free? What’s second prize, I get paid to read it?

  30. 30.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @BGinCHI:

    Seriously. David Gregory, you reading this? Get your ass to work.

    This is another one of those “yeah, right as soon as I’m crowned Kaiser” sort of things.

  32. 32.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Clime Acts:

    Speaking of Firebagger acts that are getting stale, everything by this poster (or almaglam of posters, you just can’t tell on the Internet) is definitely past the expiration date.

  33. 33.

    Spaghetti Lee

    @amk:

    “Sure I’m in favor of smokin’ pot! Man, me and Pat Leahy used to toke up all the time back in the 70’s. He could tell you some stories.

  34. 34.

    Jibeaux

    I wrote up invites for my neighbors with “against amendment one” signs to come over Sat. for food & drink & conversation. I don’t really know any of them, but that was sort of the point. It’s past time for me to reach out to the neighbors a little; why not start with the ones I’ll probably like?

  35. 35.

    Horatius

    The fuck is RMoney gonna say? Marriage is the holy bond between one man and many women, some of whom are underaged?

  37. 37.

    opie jeanne

    I amused myself just now by checking out the political cartoons on Slate regarding this subject, and chuckled at how many are going to have to walk it back tomorrow.

  38. 38.

    mai naem

    The wingnuts are gonna turn the “talked to Sasha and Malia” into Amy Carter talking to Jimmy about Nukes. Black Jimmy Carter all the way baby! They would turn the “talked to Michelle” into HiiilllllaaryyyyyyyyyCare, Vince Foster and Rose Law Firm but even the wingnuts know Hilary’s too popular and ,uhmm, Obamacare passed.

  41. 41.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Watching last night’s Colbert with Claire McCaskill, whom I think I would really like if I didn’t know about the way she actually operated as a Senator. Any Missourians (?) know how the Tea Party death threats and Steelman’s mealy -mouthed response are playing? Could Claire McAllWays actually stumble to victory in spite of herself?

  42. 42.

    The Other Bob

    Other than DOMA, has there ever been federal laws regarding marriage? I ask because people are now demanding some sort of pro-gay marriage law and it seems that it may be new legal ground.

  43. 43.

    jl

    “Aren’t there issues of significance you’d like to talk about?” he said, after the string of social issue questions, one of which came from a viewer. “The economy, the growth of jobs, the need to put people back to work, the challenges of Iran? We’ve got enormous issues that we face but you want to talk about medical marijuan–go ahead, you want to talk about Medical…”

    Romney Gets Testy After Questions On Gay Marriage, DREAM and Pot

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-gets-testy-after-questions-on-gay-marriage?ref=fpblg

  44. 44.

    Mike S.

    he’s also a candy-assed calculating coward for hiding behind this absurd ‘evolving position’ for the last 5 years given that he had previously gone record in support of gay marriage.

    discuss

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    @The Other Bob:

    As far as I can tell, no. Even Loving v Virginia didn’t establish a nationwide marriage standard — it just invalidated miscegenation laws based on the Due Process clause and the 14th Amendment. With a sane Supreme Court, DOMA would probably be struck down on very similar grounds.

  49. 49.

    patrick II

    Shep Smith on President Obama’s interview:

    Of course in reality what really matters is what governors think. This makes no legal changes of any kind. It’s a states issue, at least for now, which may sound familiar to a couple of generations ago. But that’s where we are.

    Even if Shep was on MSNBC this would be a sharp comment. On Faux news it is remarkable. Not for the first time I wonder how Shep keeps his job.

  53. 53.

    trex

    he is also the first Muslim world leader to come out in support of gay marriage

    Respect the Tricorne hat. I believe the term you are looking for is “Musselman.”

  56. 56.

    Spaghetti Lee

    @Clime Acts:

    When they’re all being impenetrably stupid, yes it does. But that’s true of idiots of any political persuasion.

  58. 58.

    Pseudo Irishman

    @Mnemosyne:

    This is one issue the Supreme Court might be sane on. Kennedy authored both Romer vs. Evans that invalidated Colorado’s anti-gay discriminatory constitutional amendment AND Lawrence vs. Texas, which struck down all state sodomy laws — on quite broad grounds. (His opinion in Lawrence left a dissenting Scalia squealing like a frat boy engaging in “audience participation” at a lesbian-themed bondage club.) O’Connor’s concurring opinion mentioned equal-protection. It would be interesting to see how those opinions might play out in the context of marriage.

  59. 59.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    I simply must cast a vote for “Oshkosh-Scranton corridor” from today’s earlier trollfest to become part of the vernacular.

    It is clearly an obscene euphemism for Biggus Dickus’ relationship with the Romney ViCtOrY campaign.

  60. 60.

    Spaghetti Lee

    @Jibeaux:

    Well, you could end up with a bunch of people who thought Against Amendment One meant Against Gay Marriage.

  61. 61.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    Jesus feckin’ Christ, why are there so many of you guys?

    maybe we could get up a fund to help all the internet purity trolls to move to a swing state, see if there’s enough of them to get a Real Progressive Brave and Troo elected to the Senate.

    They could move to Wyoming and save us all from Senator Dick Jr!

  63. 63.

    Ken

    Obviously on this issue Obama let his virulent atheism override his deep Muslim faith.

  64. 64.

    ZB IV

    So my mom sends me a version of the “I’m 83 and tired” bit attributed to Bill Cosby, wrongly (apologies if the link doesn’t work, it’s my first try at posting a link):

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/imtired.asp

    I sent her back this:

    I’m tired too.

    I’m tired of right wing lunatics tricking nice little old ladies into forwarding reactionary emails
    by posing as celebrities who wouldn’t want anything to do with these people.

    I’m tired of being told that people who make more in a year than I will in a lifetime should
    pay less than half the tax rate I pay, even though I only make 5 figures.

    I’m tired of people assuming that any Muslim who does a bad thing did it because of their
    religion, but always assumes a Christian who does a bad thing “wasn’t a real Christian”.

    I’m tired of people not understanding that billionaires don’t get into bar fights, and, as countries
    go, we’re billionaires. So that means not getting into a tizzy about every dumb thing another
    country does.

    I’m tired of being told global warming is a hoax, when the 10 warmest years on record are
    all in the past decade. I’m also tired of people thinking we have unlimited resources. It took
    millions of years to make all this oil we’re using. At the rate we’re going, we’ll burn it all in
    less than a thousand. Gee, maybe we ought to try to slow down a little.

    I’m tired of people assuming addicts are just horrible people just so they don’t have to take
    an honest look at themselves, and realize that there but by the grace of God go I. How about the
    “He who is without sin cast the first stone” verse in the bible? Seems relevant to me.

    I’m tired of people who complain about politics, and can’t tell you a thing about what Congress
    is doing, and what the political parties are doing. The reason Washington is broken is because
    not enough of us pay attention to what is going on. If we all watched them, Congress
    wouldn’t be bought and sold to the highest bidder.

    I’m tired of old people complaining about earrings and tattoos. Younger people don’t even
    notice it, and it doesn’t do much of anything to how employable one is these days. Lack of
    math skills and basic reasoning is what is making people unemployable.

    I’m tired of a political party screaming for fiscal responsibility, and then loading so many tax
    cuts for the rich into the mix that they have to cut Social Security and Medicare so badly that
    my generation will never get to retire; and they STILL don’t even balance the budget for 30
    years (Yes, ladies and gents, that’s what the Ryan Budget does).

    I’m 37 and I’ve got a long way to go, and I’m already tired.

    Happy Mother’s Day, Mom!

  65. 65.

    Ash Can

    Wait, what? My marriage got destroyed today? Well hell’s bells, why didn’t anyone tell me? I suppose I’m going to have to let M-80 know, except that he’s already asleep. I’ll have to tell him tomorrow sometime, if I remember. Maybe someone will mention it to him at work, and I won’t have to bother.

    In all seriousness, though, does anyone besides me look forward to hearing good old Crazy Uncle Joe say something totally and entirely unexpected and unscripted about immigration reform sometime in the next few weeks?

  66. 66.

    Burnspbesq

    @Clime Acts:

    It hurts your little Bot Brain to hear the thoughts

    If you called what you spew out “thoughts” in connection with the purchase or sale of a security, you would be looking at hard time in a Federal pen. That’s a materially false statement.

  67. 67.

    Mnemosyne

    @The Other Bob:

    Not a whole lot, really. Depending on which one gets to the Supreme Court first, either the Prop 8 lawsuit from California or the DOMA lawsuit will be the deciding factor. I don’t know that I’m as optimistic as Pseudo Irishman, but I do think the SC is going to have to make the decision.

  68. 68.

    Spaghetti Lee

    You know, Clime, or Mike S or whoever, I’m not automatically against people criticizing Obama. But is it too much to ask that you make your arguments in the slightest good faith? And attempt to actually educate yourself about the issue, or at least not run and hide when someone shows you you’re wrong? That way we don’t get bullshit like the national gay marriage amendment that only doesn’t exist only because of Obama’s intransigence, certainly not because of the way anti-gay discrimination is currently viewed under the law, and the fact that it’s not within the president’s powers to change that?

    And can we please have some fucking humility? For three solid years we’ve all heard that Obama won’t come out in support of gay marriage because he secretly hates gay people from every leftier-than-thou hack on the internet. Well, now he does support it, so without even batting an eye, the firebagger hivemind ignores all their old arguments and starts spitting out brand new and increasingly ridiculous conspiracy theories: it was a political ploy, look at his body language, Biden made him do it. Not a single solitary admission that they might have been wrong, or that their ‘Obama hates gay people’ theory isn’t as true as they thought. Hell, the only other place I’ve seen this sort of allergy to admitting error is with the wingnuts. Now, some people on Obama’s left have been more conciliatory today, which was very gracious of them. The rest of them need to fucking get over themselves. Admit you were wrong and move on. It shouldn’t be this fucking difficult. It’s like pulling teeth.

  69. 69.

    Burnspbesq

    @Ash Can:

    Wait, what? My marriage got destroyed today?

    Mine, too. Fuck, there’s no way I’m ready to start dating again.

  70. 70.

    Ash Can

    @Brachiator: LOL! That analyst isn’t too clear on the concept of just what it is investors are looking for in a money-making opportunity. I’d think twice about taking his advice on anything.

  71. 71.

    Another Halocene Human

    @David Koch:

    Romney says gay marriage would violate 3,000 years of recorded history.

    I guess his history book left out the violation of Mormon polygamy.

    I guess his history book left out Juvenal, which described the same-sex wedding ceremonies being held in Rome. (Men couldn’t legally marry, but they could legally adopt their lover, conferring property/inheritance rights. Heck, when Emperor Hadrian’s lover Antinous died he had statues of him erected everywhere and made his veneration and official state cult!)

  72. 72.

    Suffern ACE

    @Burnspbesq: Since you’re going to be forced to seek a male spouse in the new order of things, I might be able to help with a little advice. While you may think us gay men will be turned on by La Crosse and foreign soccer matches, what we really want is a man who knows his jai alai and flat track roller derby.

  74. 74.

    gaz

    @Suffern ACE: FTW

    Bonus if you can pull off dead Karen Carpenter drag, and sing “Everybody’s Getting Fucked But Me” with a big fucking grin.

  75. 75.

    gaz

    @Suffern ACE: FTW

    Bonus if you can pull off dead Karen Carpenter drag, and sing “Everybody’s Getting Fucked But Me” with a big fucking grin.

  76. 76.

    eemom

    Now that I am officially finished being nice, may I say that for fuck’s sake Cole, if you didn’t keep posting NEW fucking threads on this topic every ten minutes maybe people could actually finish the conversations they were having on the last thread, and also too we wouldn’t have to start all over again with Timmy’s same objections to what Obama said every one of those same ten fucking minutes.

    You’re welcome.

  77. 77.

    Richard

    Gay marriage is, of course, central to Sharia law*.

    * Actually, the penalty for homosexual behavior can be death in Muslim countries such as Afghanistan and Nigeria.

  79. 79.

    gaz

    Now, I am become Queer, the destroyer of marriage.

    apologies to oppenheimer, and the hindus

  80. 80.

    FlyingToaster

    @Spaghetti Lee: Dude, time to pour another drink.

    Realistically, some folks can NEVER be satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough. Lecturing them raises your blood pressure while making them feel victimized. Lose-Lose.

    I was so happy when I saw the news this afternoon I called my 74-year-old mom. Who went off on a pro-abortion screed (I can’t make this up, I grew up under the ungentle tutelage guidance of a pro-choice crusader) and repeatedly mentioned spending the night at the home of the kid I used to babysit who was gay in 1973 and is still gay now.

    Deep breaths. Large sips. Ignore the Australopithecines. Trust me, it got me the fuck out of Missouri and Indiana. Well, that and an airplane.

  84. 84.

    FlipYrWhig

    @FlyingToaster: It’s because a lot of people have a lot invested in the idea that if you ever let yourself express satisfaction, you’ve become complacent and hence a patsy. So if you’re always vocal about how you’re never satisfied, it proves that you’re so hardcore you’ll never sell out.

  87. 87.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @eemom:

    if you didn’t keep posting NEW fucking threads on this topic every ten minutes

    With nary a mention all day of Doughy Jonah being forced to admit that his “Pulitzer Prize nominations” were written by his mom and put under his Mickey Mouse-face pancakes as part of his birthday* surprise.

    *years 37 and 39

  89. 89.

    Suffern ACE

    @Burnspbesq: Well I suppose. I just have to say that my friend Sean once thought like you. Adamant that he would be the one who brought banked track derby to the gays. Never compromising. Ended up spending and extra ten years looking for a soul mate that he didn’t have to, if you ask me.

  93. 93.

    ralph wiggum

    Dick Cheney used to be against marriage equality but he had a change of heart.

  94. 94.

    the fugitive uterus

    @ralph wiggum: ba da bump! very nice!

    and fuck Cheney – big woop, his daughter is gay. yes, he’s enough of a cold-hearted asshole bastard to completely disown her, actually, so there’s that. but i’m sick of hearing “good on him” and big fucking woop by the media, he had personal reasons for doing so and it does NOT erase his crimes.

  99. 99.

    Triassic Sands

    …not only is President Obama the first President to support gay marriage…

    Technically that isn’t true since Obama was born in Kenya and Indonesia to parents from Kansas and Alpha Centauri. That means he isn’t really president, so he can’t be the first president to do anything. Details matter.

  100. 100.

    jake the snake

    @chopper:

    See “History of The World, Part One”.
    According to Mel Brooks, the first gay marriage occurred immediately after the first heterosexual marriage.

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