BTW- we have had more fireflies this year than any year I can remember since I was a kid running around catching them in mason jars. I have no idea why, but I think it was the very wet spring and early summer.
Talk amongst yourself.
*** Update ***
BTW- the point of invoking Greenwald and Snowden in the previous post, other than the fact that they are inextricably connected to the story, is that the focus bizarrely has been on them rather than the revelations and confirmations that have been revealed. I don’t give a fuck if Bradley Manning listened to Lady Gaga and I don’t give a fuck about all the character assassination of two guys who you may or may not like. What matters is what they have released, what matters is if they have broken the law. What doesn’t matter is how this impacts Obama or whether or not Glenn Greenwald is the biggest dickhead on the planet.
I feel like I am dealing with insane people. Half the people on my twitter feed have completely lost their shit.
Hellen is the forbidden word?
Also, metric ton of fireflies here in Maine. I overlooked a grassy hillside that looked like a starry night.
That is one thing I miss about summer in Connecticut: fireflies. Maybe that’s a sign the environment in WV is healing better than we anticipated.
One more day of work then off for four days. Then I get to focus on getting new place to live.
Oh and if you’re around JC or any FPer: BJ Seattle meet-up Saturday July 13th at Pike Place Brewery, 8pmish. Haven’t heard from Psi yet if the time is good.
Was just talking about this on my Facebook the other day. Saw one here in Austin the other day. First one I’ve seen in decades it seems. When I was a kid over 30 years ago we would catch em by the dozens.
DH bought the dogs a squeaky pig that sounds like a pig and a squeaky chicken. Skeeter loves the squeaky pig, Flossie hates it, we have WW3 going on in the house right now. The barking is enough to wake the entire neighborhood. He tells me that the problem is City Dog versus Country Dog, I think he may be right. With that I am out.
I built a stream to handle spring run off/flash floods. It’s beautiful – rock lined with walls and tunnels and waterfalls and there’s a bridge! Tonight it’s gurgling and bubbling and the heavy fog is thick enough to eat and the bugs are lost and confused and… it’s a good night, 10 or so straight days of rain notwithstanding.
It just rains and rains here, I haven’t seen as many fireflies by me. When my son was young and learned about their luminosity chemicals, he caught some and smeared them on himself so he would glow in the dark. It worked and he was really happy, running about outside. Then he came in and found bug guts and legs all over his face, oh noes!
My other firefly story is that one year we were doing a bunch of fireworks, the ones that spin and fizz on the ground. The fireflies at the treeline all started flashing extra. A lot extra.
♬ ♩ Take my love, take my land. Take me where I cannot stand. I don’t care, I’m still free. You can’t take the sky from me….♬ ♩
I AM LIT after 2 NEERS. God the ones with 10% abv light up my life
A Ghost To Most
Fireflies (lightning bugs!) and cardinals are among the few things I miss since our move to Colorado. I certainly don’t miss the humidity.
I was visiting family in Beckley, WV over the weekend and we noticed a lot of lightning bugs, too. And also a lot of butterflies, which we hardly see like we used to. Nice!
Mayhaps they’s radioactive deer flies.
You had to bring up the GG/Snowden shit in this thread too?
That’s why I don’t do Twitter anymore. Too much headfuckery and poutrage.
That suggests that half the people on your twitter feed haven’t lost their shit.
@PsiFighter37: I just had a couple last week of the 10% beer. The first one was a little too bitter, but I realize I may have been blaming the beer exclusively for that instead of the brand, whose name eludes me. Now I want another one though, so I may stop off at the store on the way home from work since I’m off tomorrow.
Beer and homemade chicken fingers tomorrow may be in order along with copious amounts of netflix streaming. I’ll try not to watch The Avengers for the 10th time in the past week.
I love misty nights like that. They happen a lot in winter around Seattle. It’s magical.
@Redshirt: I was just gonna say that too.
I guess I’ll just wait for another Open Thread, since JC has not used the bat (crazy) signal and I fully expect the flood gates to open.
I remember the big news story in 1971 was that “Daniel Ellsberg” was kind of a Jewish-sounding name.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Oh good fucking god.
Can’t figure out how to log my phone in to youtube in order to share the puppy trying and failing to play with our big fat tomcat.
There’s a yip at the end, as you can guess.
He’s still feeling sorry for himself.
@muddy: My pre-husband and I were going to the summer semester of college. Having the 4th off, we decided to drop some acid to celebrate. It was the 70s.
Anyway, same phenomenon you observed. Fireworks would burst, then the lightning bugs would advance. We were tickled by the sight, the symbiosis, the whole thing. For a long time after, we both wondered if we had really seen it. Great visuals.
We’re watching a highly charged city council meeting about a huge development that has been battled over for years. The big issue tonight is that the project is going to ruin the FIREFLY TRAIL!
Bob In Portland
Fireflies. Man, when I was a kid in New Jersey I loved them. Don’t see ’em out West.
And I don’t trust Snowden. I believe he’s somebody’s agent and this weird world tour is part of a plot.
I bELIEVE Ivan FUCKing FLY
Greenwald and Snowden are a huge story; Booze Allen Hamilton? Never heard of him, but a great first name. We’re so fucked.
Just Some Fuckhead
You aren’t dealing with insane people. Just cheerleaders.
Well, to be fair, some of them do seem to have mental problems.
Okay, a lot of them.
Fourth place! Hah!
Or did you not mean our standard expansion of that initialism?
Fewer lightning bugs here than usual; also wetter and cooler than recent years. The few are making the cool summer evenings delightful and the katydids are just getting started.
Is shooting the dog a violation of the fourth amendment? I am beginning to think it is everyone’s duty to video the police at work as often as possible. Nothing will happen to them…but if you have a pet, I guess you leave your cell phone in your pocket.
If there were internet during the Sacco and Vanzetti days those would have been some epic flamewars.
I am surprised that none of the front pagers have done this story. I think its massively important:
I am really po’d about this. Don’t mean to sound like a firebagger but this really is Obama caving in to the Chanber of Commerce. Fuck poor working people. This is going to lose them votes in 2014.
Living in the Pacific Northwest, I miss fireflies. I think it’s totally wrong to introduce a foreign species into a new ecosystem, but if any of you can send me a mating pair of fireflies I’ll send you $100.
@Just Some Fuckhead: You’re just mad there was an apeshit thread not of your making
@wenchacha: It was magical. Finally we were speaking the alien language and communicating. Of course maybe we were communicating something really rude to get them riled up.
I once watched a wall of storm front advancing across the lake, it just looked solid. We had eaten mushrooms, and as they kicked in it was amazing the details in the clouds. Just roiling and boiling, not solid at all. I stayed out there dangerously long into the electrical storm because I couldn’t tear myself away from the sight of it. I wish my eyes could see like that all the time.
Let’s all tell tripping stories!
From what I’m reading initially, it’s not going to have a huge impact.
@MikeJ: Are you coming to this Seattle meat up
So anyway, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, but it still tickles me to hear Idris Elba speaking all British and shit…lol.
Idris Elba Discusses Pacific Rim on 106 & Park
I think I”ve said this before, but Pacific Rim has 3 things going for it 1) Guillermo Del Toro director 2) Hellboy producers and some actors (Ron Perlman is in it) 3) IDRIS “mutha-futha” ELBA.
I don’t think the movie will be some “blockbuster” film, but at the very least, you can count on Del Toro for some good effect, filmaking and visuals, from Pan’s Labyrinth to Blade II to the Hellboy films, Del Torro does good “story” along with visuals like no other director seems to now-a-days (other than maybe Peter Jackson, but I consider him different than Del Toro, for some reason). Besides, who among us ever figured Hellboy for a “blockbuster”?
The Reds’ Homer Bailey threw his second career no-hitter against the Giants tonight:
Just Some Fuckhead
@SatanicPanic: I never make ’em. That’s a Balloon Juice myth pushed by the enemies of freedom.
@mai naem: I’m waiting for Kay to chime in on this. Based on the number of states intentionally fucking with this bill, and now this, it is possible that very few people will benefit from ACA. If you have shit insurance now through your employer, I doubt you will get better insurance.
This reminds me of the types of regulatory changes that were supposed to come about through Sarbanes-Oxley. Some got implemented, but others were just delayed until it became kind of a joke to read about how “next year companies will have to comply.”
The only thing positive I can say is that such a large percentage of the uninsured currently reside in Texas now, that there isn’t much they can do to increase those numbers.
Just Some Fuckhead: I just checked the picture you sent me of the mating pair of “fireflies” you’re offering for sale. They’re ants.
@mai naem: The exchanges are still happening on schedule. CBPP doesn’t think delaying the mandate will have much effect on coverage in 2014, because it only applies to employers with over 50 employees. The bigger companies likely already provide coverage.
JC, I have always had a problem with authority, which predisposes me to supporting leakers who tell us what has been going on without our knowledge. OTOH, some of the stuff being released may cause big problems.
I don’t care all that much about the personalities. Not even sure if I care if they may have broken the law. Where does the US stand on rule of law these days, anyway? Have bankers gone unpunished on technicalities, or are they really free to loot the country?
Will there ever be enough info for me to make an objective decision about what is the response that best serves our citizens?
Get ready to rage
Good point. The whole ad-hominem thing is, well, a logical fallacy. Doesn’t matter.
Snowden definitely blew the whistle on a big story, and Greenwald reported it, so one would hope those would both be protected speech.
Did they break the law? Well, if what they were revealing is classified, then it’s obvious they did, but…. whistleblowers do that.
Manning and Assange, however, don’t seem to have actually exposed any wrongdoing. So I’m not sure where their actions stand.
@MikeJ: I miss Steve Gilliard.
If you just now figured out all this shit was going on, you haven’t been paying attention for the last 7 years. It may matter, but to be outraged *now* is being just a bit late to the party. In fact, the media gave this shit a free pass when it first came out, Congress gave the companies involved a free pass, and the country gave a collective yawn at it, so I have a hard time getting indignant about it now.
@muddy: I had a cool, non-hallucinogenic moment yesterday: Standing on my porch under the dark, stormy, yet for the moment dry clouds, I could hear a building roar. And then I saw a squall of rain approaching from the West, and the roar grew as raindrops struck leaves, growing ever larger until it hit me, and all was rain. It was wicked cool to see and hear.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
Um, that’s because you are.
Can I focus on what a moron I think Snowden is if I think the information he released isn’t that big of a deal?
Linky is stinky. Please to fix.
Of course you’re not having a discussion about the meat of NSA Industrial Complex. It’s because the first thing is to yammer endlessly about people. Hell, the leaker and his “journalist” presented the issue with a great big frame of it being Obama’s failing. Even they can’t help it and it’s supposedly what made Snowden do what he did. It’s no wonder it’s turned into two armed camps. It’s also no wonder nothing much will change.
On a completely unrelated topic …
The new John Scofield record that was released today, Uberjam Deux, is completely awesome. If you like greasy, nasty, danceable, funk/soul/jazz/rock, this is for you.
John, In case you are not aware Fireflies are the new Dronez.
@Redshirt: I had like that 2 days ago. It wasn’t raining, and then the SOUND. All the animals were freaking out, even the cats started bleating. It wasn’t raining and then suddenly we were upside down in the ocean. Zeus dumping his bucket. I have been all over the world, and that was the hardest I ever saw it rain. I loved it, animals not so much.
@burnspbesq: BAm I fixed you
Ah. So that last thread wasn’t really about Clapper then.
The prophet Nostradumbass
Here’s some flamebait for you: Why Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald’s Fight Against Tyranny Follows in Gandhi’s Footsteps
@Spike: Me too, so much!
Well, John, I’m glad you’re still fighting for truth, justice, and the Fourth Amendment. FWIW.
Speaking of fireflies, the most I’ve ever seen in one place was in a patch of boggy runoff at Red Roof parking lot just off the New Jersey turnpike. (Yes, RRI suxx, but the chain is dog-friendly, and we were doing the late-night dog-potty.) I have a horrible suspicion that we’re ruining firefly habitat — along with that of frogs & other ‘vernal’ critters — first by blacktopping everything we can flatten, and then by declaring war on “standing water” so as to keep the mosquitos at bay.
this is where I am. The domestic stuff, didn’t we all know this was happening? My friend and I have been only half jokingly talking to our NSA listening when we Skype for years now. We always tell them they can take a break now because we are going to talk about the WWE. Maybe the NSA has thousands of people locked up on false pretense, I’d probably believe if shown the evidence, but such things clearly haven’t even been close to revealed.
As to running to the PRC and Russia with NSA information about cyber warfare. Yeah, no, fuck you dude. Cyberwarfare is happening and the Chinese suck. I don’t want China to have a leg up on anything. If that makes me a lick spittle, good German, oh well. Don’t care.
On a particularly Southwestern note, this year we’ve seen a lot fewer centipedes in the house than usual. Typically we’ll see one a week that we have to catch and chuck outside; we assume the cats catch and consume a few we don’t see. They can be big suckers, as long as 6 inches, red and brown. Only a handful of times in our 10 years in New Mexico have we discovered one someplace really yucky, like crawling across the bed. At night. Usually we’ll find them, say, crawling up the wall or in the bathtub. This year, they’ve been scarce, though. This former Jersey boy isn’t complaining.
Wearing my Red Sox cap.
@MikeJ: FUCk the FUcKiNg REd SUCKaSSTurds
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Go easy on the guy. He’s apparently still off animal protein. This is why people who are dieting should have a cheat day.
Well, for a hefty segment of the BJ regulars, Snowden/Greenwald/Assange/Wikileaks are clearly berserk buttons. I don’t feel strongly about them and what they’re doing, honestly, so I don’t have a dog in this fight. It’s just entertaining to watch some of the more, ahem, zealous detractors get wound up (and that’s to say nothing of the blog’s premier troll–you all know who I’m talking about).
Count me as one of the few, a self-employed professional supporting a family of 5 without health insurance because of a pre-existing condition, who will benefit, is grateful, and votes.
@Calming Influence: Did he staple glow-in-the-dark wings in them? Fuckhead always strikes me as a Bill Murray in “Scrooged” before all the love and good feelings.
(Edited for: Duck you, autocorrect!)
Also too, this summer could not be more lovely if it tried, weather-wise. Yes, we’ve had some nasty fires here in Colorado, but they’re under control now for the most part, we’ve gotten some nice rain, and the high is not to surpass 86 all week. Me likey summer again.
@Redshirt: It clings to everything. Jerry thinks it’s an entity.
Great, so we can finally discuss if Snowden was right to give his classified information to the newspapers in China! Or is that just more “character assassination”?
We seem to have fewer than normal fireflies here in NoVA, which kind of sucks, because usually, at this time of year, they light up the trees like Christmas when we take our doggies for late night walks. Guess they all migrated to WV to visit Cole.
Seriously, John, I would not bother with this blog at all if you weren’t still posting. There’s quite a bit of authoritarianism, tribalism, and cult personality worship in your commentariat and, sadly, even a bit amongst your FPers, but you seem to have — oh fuck, what’s the word — underlying PRINCIPLES even when I find myself disagreeing with you. Keep it up.
Texas abortion protest, in a photo (or two).
Not to my taste, but very well executed.
@The prophet Nostradumbass:
Fortunately I rolled over the link before clicking. I’m going to assume, given the source, that that is a hot mess that would make me crabby, so I’m not getting out of the boat.
@Heliopause: Rock on man! Fight the power!
Ditto. I was able to get a HIPAA guaranteed-issue policy when my COBRA coverage from MegaLaw ran out, but it is absolute crap. 1/1/14 cannot come soon enough.
@burnspbesq: Wait ’til Mandela dies. Then you’re gonna see some weapons-grade Hoekstroika.
“What matters is what they have released, what matters is if they have broken the law”.
What matters is they have permitted the American people to glimpse what is routinely done in their name, without their knowledge or acquiescence.
Which was a damned decent thing to do, if you ask me– and goddamn any “law” that says different.
It’s that, or we let the Dick Cheney’s of America call all the shots from here on out.
John’s an instant Democrat. Just add poutrage.
Snowden and Greenwald eated them.
@Hill Dweller: You’re wrong. I don’t know where you live, but I can guarantee you that a lot of people who came out and voted for Obama in 08 and 12, in the Moutain West and Southwest because of healthcare and a lot of these people work for the 50-100 service industry employee cos. that do not provide insurance. This is going to affect the Dems’ goals of turning these states from purple to blue,
The prophet Nostradumbass
@burnspbesq: a wise choice.
Wouldn’t Snowden have freed them? To where, I ain’t sure, but …
As do I. Not every day, but fairly often.
A year ago today we were sitting out the back of Cedar House on Sound B&B drinking a glass of red wine and watching the fireflies dance among the vines. Idyllic.
If you like breakfast I’d recommend the B&B too – we had a great stay.
Bill E Pilgrim
Good for you, John. Half the people here sound like Dick Cheney.
By the way, with the news that Germany is considering charging the US and the NSA with crimes, are all of the newfound law and order authoritarians here going to start saying well, a crime’s a crime, and you can’t just commit a crime, no matter how noble your motives, and if it’s illegal it’s illegal, and once you’re charged with a crime you’re a criminal, and they just have to face the music…
Yeah I won’t hold my breath.
@Bill E Pilgrim:
John voted twice for Dick Cheney.
Aw man, we are in NC, catching the train to Baltimore in the morning.
Mike in NC
We enjoyed the fireflies (AKA lightning bugs) living in NoVA but there are none at all in SE NC.
@Cacti: Is it inconceivable to you that people’s views are dynamic, and that between 2004 and 2013 some people have been capable of growth? It seems to be inconceivable to you.
@Bill E Pilgrim:
“Well, if you’re going to start defending the Germans, do you know WHO ELSE was… ” /every authoritarian on BJ
The Other Chuck
Let’s see, Snowden reveals PRISM, which is apparently what the NSA uses when it has a lawful warrant, Snowden’s claims to the contrary. Is the warrant a rubber stamp? Yes. Is it 24/7 “direct access?” No, more like exactly the opposite thing. Then he goes on about claiming to have access to POTUS’s email and all kinds of other things that also turn out to be as phony as a three dollar bill. Then he flies off to that bastion of freedom China where he starts publicly announcing that he’ll be selling off secrets, trading ’em for a pet phoenix or something.
So basically he’s a bug fuck crazy opportunistic liar who at least got people talking about something they should have already known about if they’d been paying attention. So yes, it’s great now people are newly aware that their communication is being intercepted by shady actors and generally untrustworthy people … like Edward Snowden.
Snowden is the Jack Kevorkian of privacy: Kevorkian sure shone the light on the issue of the right to die, but we sure found in the end that the old ghoul liked putting down as many people as he could.
@Bill E Pilgrim: How about a link to the potential charges? Before you slag everyone who has disagreed with you preemptively, it might be good to inform them first.
@Bill E Pilgrim: Germany should ask Italy about how “charging the US” worked out for them.
Looking over the Der Spiegel article, I’m kinda disturbed that Der Spiegel had to self edit on what to publish.
This is what makes this such a grey area case. Even if you agree, why would this man essentially do a file dump? Why disclose information like this and is this information that he’s already given out to foreign governments? This is so important to deal with and get the beast contained, I just wish it had been done better.
Hey, John, here’s a crazy thought. Why don’t you read your own motherfucking blog, in which people actually address, to exhaustion, all the bullshit you constantly piss and moan about no one ever addressing? Has that ever come to mind?
@The Other Chuck: STOP BRINGING UP SNOWDEN OH WOE IS ME YOU BROUGHT UP SNOWDEN ON THE SNOWDEN THREAD WHY DID EVERYONE ELSE LOSE THEIR SHIT BUT NOT ME
I was going to say that Pacific Rim has Idris Elba going for it. Man I would pay to watch him sit in a chair for two hours.
“what matters is if they have broken the law”
True, but nothing indicates that the administration has broken any laws. The issue is whether the law (in this case the Patriot Act) should be repealed or amended so that it doesn’t allow so much surveillance of US citizens.
@ruemara: and to add to that: personalities do matter as they affect credibility. It isn’t clear that the blockbuster show we have been promised by those two clowns has ever happened and snowden trading classified information for a place to stay doesn’t help his credibility. And cole getting his weekly rage on will not change that.
Like a magical light trip every night here in Morrow, OH. Just fantastical. The bumblebees and some species of bees that I am unfamiliar with are all over the coneflowers, some butterflies, no monarchs though, no honeybees or bats either. I worry about all the pollinators. But the fire flies are a wonder.
“What matters is what they have released, what matters is if they have broken the law.”
(and I hope by “if they have broken the law” you also mean we should be taking another look at the laws like the 1917 Espionage Act, a pile of shit under which the political enemies of the ruling elites are coerced into STFU. ‘Cause you know, Democracy! Freedom! America-Fuck’Yeah! Civility! Seriousness! Savvy!)
@MomSense: Oh, yeah. All that fineness and that accent and it is like “I think I just had an orgasm during his reading of the phone book”.
He definitely could read the shyte out of a phonebook!
Did you see his Mumford & Sons video? I have no idea what it was about but holy tamales. I think season 3 of Luther starts in September!!
@Patricia Kayden: It’s not only the Patriot Act. There is overwhelming evidence the Administration violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by employing strategic devices to access the content of American e-mail communications. The Big Lie in this conversation is that the Obama Administration has rigorously adhered to legal procedures. It simply hasn’t.
@MomSense: Ok, I am running to YouTube now! And Luther, yes indeed. Another season of me looking at the TV going “Arrest me! Frisk me!” and hubby giving me the stinkeye. :)
@MomSense: I saw it. Beautiful imagery of the English countryside.. apparently about a blind man going out on his own without his dog or cane. Lovely song and Idris can put on a suit.
Shorter John Cole:
That about right?
Just because you don’t like someone’s principles doesn’t mean they aren’t principles.
For instance, it is an underlying principle of mine that I don’t want my daughters to get blown up in an airplane, anywhere, ever. Consistent with this principle, I am willing to allow the government to do some data-mining in order to stop threats, even if it means that someone like Edward Snowden might have access to my email or phone records.
And by the way, that principle does not make me Dick Cheney.
@Tractarian: Amen! Because if something does happen and people get killed, the same “principled” dickwad living in Brazil will pen a piece about how we had it coming.
“What doesn’t matter is how this impacts Obama or whether or not Glenn Greenwald is the biggest dickhead on the planet.”
For the record, though, Greenwald is, in fact, the biggest dickhead on the planet.
“I feel like I am dealing with insane people. Half the people on my twitter feed have completely lost their shit.”
This is true — It just varies from person to person what half you think is mental.
I for one am glad they did this and hope for many many more.
If the bloody gubmint is spying on all of us -I want to know that.
If that compromises some spies and spooks in the field -I do not care.
They are criminals more than these gents.