As Trump tries to figure out if he can divert disaster aid to build a wall, the House is about to go out of session which means that this will be the longest shutdown in the grand history of stupidity.
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Derelict
My wife just asked me if I was making airline reservations for a trip to Florida next month. I’m not–I’m planning on driving to Florida because who knows if we’ll even have an air transportation system by this time next month?
WaterGirl
So we’re talking about maggots in the morning thread, we have a second thread titled “let them eat shit” and now yet another thread where we are talking about Trump. (aka more shit and maggots)
Depressing day at Balloon Juice.
Elizabelle
@Derelict: Yeah. I was planning to fly cross country next week. Delaying that trip.
I think we have a lot of company there. And I think stuff like that might bring an end to this ridiculous shutdown.
Would you like to take a plane when federal aviation inspectors have been deemed “inessential” employees? I sure do not. Further, even though they will eventually get paid, don’t you think controllers and other employees might be a bit overstressed and distracted by this shit?
Elizabelle
@WaterGirl: I agree. Makes for lurking.
Jeffro
Oh I think he is going to break a lot more records before this is all over
mapaghimagsik
The shutdown has taken down NIST.gov. NIST provides security guidance (for free). From how to do risk assessments and what are the current best practices in security controls. Technology agnostic, its one of the most helpful sites out there.
So the shutdown hurts our national cybersecurity as well.
Jeffro
Still having a hard time figuring out why media people are discussing whether a wall is medieval or not, whether it is cost-effective or not, and who is going to pay for it or not. Plenty of Dems are doing it too.
Don’t argue about it. It is absurd on its face. Just point out that the president has been steadily deteriorating for the past couple of years, and this is just one more example of his irrationality, and he needs to seek help or go.
Psychiatrist, 25th amendment, or impeachment, Trumpov. Next question…
Emerald
He’ll be proud of it. It’s the biggest!! The longest!! The one that did the most damage of them ALL!!
Aleta
@Derelict: If airline reservations, travel bookings fall off significantly it might encourage some deep Republican thoughts.
Also drops in consumer purchases, car sales, destination golf ! Maybe non-fed workers could join them in solidarity by refusing to shop for big things until the shutdown ends?
I will never forget the demented battle cry from liars Bush + Cheney: Keep shopping or else the terrorists win! The truth is more like, listless consumers give Republican terrorists pause.
mad citizen
I worked with NIST last year to host a regional meeting on smart grid standards. Interesting.
My next flight is Feb 27 so surely we’ll be back to normal by then.
I regularly think about the movie Idiocracy.
Brachiator
@WaterGirl:
Kind of a shitty day for the country.
WaterGirl
@Brachiator: I can’t argue with that.
mad citizen
As an economics student I always thought it funny things like “The Panic of 1873”. Now we know what it’s like living in one. Maybe we’ll call this “The Great Stupidity of 2019.”
A Ghost To Most
Go long on hemp. We’re gonna need the rope.
mapaghimagsik
@mad citizen: We’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the Cybersecurity Framework (CSF) Its certainly approachable. I’ve been recently tearing into 800-37 (I found a downloaded copy). Some of my team, not used to the language complain about government speak. They have no cyber experience whatsoever, so I help them through the document, stopping when they complain about how “useless” it is.
Derelict
@Elizabelle:
The average front-line TSA employee might be able to miss one paycheck. But if this goes to the end of the month, my guess is that about 70% of TSA screeners will have no choice but to quit and take other jobs. They have to survive!
(Oh, and thanks to GOP policies, those TSA people who might think about applying for public assistance to help them through the shutdown will be unable to qualify for any assistance unless they’re actively looking for work.
catclub
@mad citizen:
Depends on what is normal.
And don’t call me Shirley.
tobie
OT–I was kind of disturbed by reports that Beto O’Rourke sent out an Instagram of him getting his teeth cleaned. Ends up that the picture of him on the dentist’s chair was taken completely out of context. Here’s what the video was about:
Good for him for trying to draw attention to “life on the border.” Damn the reporter who distorted this and CNN for broadcasting the distortion.
sukabi
@Jeffro: the ULTIMATE in bothsiderist bullshit. We can’t have an actual discussion of how utterly unfit for office the bloated buffoon is, so let’s discuss whether or not walls are medievil….
If they’re going to discuss walls in reference to drumpf the best and only discussion they should be having is whether a set of 6 padded white walls or 1 barred steel wall with 5 concrete walls would best serve the public.
My preference would be the steel bar / concrete combo.
Quaker in a Basement
The House has done their job. They passed a bill. It’s the Senate and Mitch McConnell who are shirking.
gvg
Media does a lot to shape opinions. I wish they would start programing that we need like idiocracy, Dr. Strangelove, more Watergate movies, historical stuff on the causes of the Great Depression, the corruption of the gilded age, stuff about cults and yellow journalism and spies and mobs. Maybe some stuff about how capitalism breaks down when contracts aren’t enforced (Trump). It’s just been amazing to me how ignorant my fellow citizens are. These self titled conservative trade war approving morons actually think liberals like me are anti capitalist! There are plenty of ways the entertainment industry could make a lot of points about Trumps authoritarianism.
They could also make fun of him being an idiot and insane too.
Gozer
I have an international flight coming up on the 20th (MX vacation) that we’ve been planning for months. Now trying to figure alternate ways to get back into the US if there aren’t flights. I’m thinking we can fly to Montreal and rent a vehicle to drive back to Jersey.
Everything is terrible.
Quaker in a Basement
@Aleta: Hmm. Fed workers. Golf courses. I think I see the seeds of an idea there.
Cacti
I think we need to stop thinking of this as a shutdown and start regarding it as a soft coup attempt by the radical right.
Glad to see the Dems standing firm, because if they don’t, separation of powers under the Constitution is effectively dead.
Aleta
rikyrah
@Quaker in a Basement:
They PASSED THE SENATE BILL!!!
rikyrah
@Cacti:
NO LIE TOLD
opiejeanne
@Derelict: We were going to buy tickets to Paris for May on Wednesday, but now we’re only going to go places we can drive to.
Not only are the lack of airplane inspections and the air traffic controllers not being paid a problem, no one is inspecting our food now. Soon we’ll be eating canned goods and frozen food we already have on hand, making lentil soup and baking our own bread, and not eating out. I have several friends who are already freaking out about this. I know it takes a while for the norms of food safety to break down, but it’s really not reassuring. I figure fresh produce that’s in the stores that you intend to cook is probably ok right now, but who knows in another couple of weeks.
Elizabelle
@gvg: Media helped get us into Trump’s clutches.
And I like your programming ideas.
VeniceRiley
I was going to fly up to see mom and give my sister a brief break, but no way am I flying now. And no way will I drive to Salt lake in the winter. Nope. The airlines must be fuming about this. I hope they’re burning the ears of whatever senators they own. First the tourism hit we’ve taken because dolt45 is an ahole mfer, and now this.
Elizabelle
@opiejeanne: I think there is a lot of that happening.
Look at what a mess it was with that ridiculous drone at Gatwick a few short weeks ago. Disruptions all up and down the system, and it was right before Christmas, so no excess capacity.
If I lived near a national park, I would gather there with friends with electric candles (in case real ones are too dangerous) and organize a vigil until it was reopened. Good TV and media fare.
chris
Mnemosyne
At my office, we have someone flying to Europe for a business trip next week. Now I regret that we booked it so that his connections happen in the US.
geg6
@WaterGirl:
I good news, I have finally used the pie filter for the first time ever. It’s quite freeing.
geg6
@Quaker in a Basement:
This.
Aleta
“Ain’t gonna be no wall” Rocky XXIII
and this lawyer: Can All Lawyers Just Admit The Wall Will Never Be Built Because Of The Fifth Amendment?
We’re fighting about something that will never be built, and every lawyer knows it.
But I worry about the people who’re being pressured right now but don’t have the resources to withstand. I read that civil rights workers are going door to door and publicizing the info that they don’t have to sign, that they should stand together. There will be people who aren’t reached or are afraid of the racist administration and their police-impersonator reps, or are protecting relatives. Once they sign away their land, will they be able to buy it back at the same price if the wall is not built? Or will the feds auction it off to the highest bidder ? Will even that be a crooked arrangement?
Lulymay
@Elizabelle
I live in Canada and am planning to cross the border next week and head south. Been doing this for 20 years now. The US border guards have always been more than courteous to deal with but with this serious slap in the face by their current Prez, I wouldn’t blame them if they didn’t have their best ever smile on.
As we usually do, we will answer their queries honestly and once given the right to enter the US, I hope they don’t mind if I sincerely wish them “good luck”.
Elizabelle
@Lulymay: You will have to let us know if you see a long line of US license plates lined up to get into Canada, in the other lanes.
Are you a snowbird? Met a lot of Canadian snowbirds in Palm Springs, CA a few years ago.
sukabi
@gvg: yes, they ‘condition’ their viewers with their choice of programming, which is why abc decided to air a mini series on “Bill and Monica” ….
If they wanted to actually be useful to the country and the public how about devoting a primetime hour each week into disecting drumpfs ‘business empire’ and how countries like Russia, Saudia Arabia, China and the others have poured $$ into his pockets. Or if they want to keep it current, how that $$ still influences and sets his agenda as president. There are so many opportunities for for ratings and clicks and therefore $$$$$ that they are leaving on the table that what’s left is that the media heads are more than ok with the repub agenda, they support it and embrace it.
Mnemosyne
@VeniceRiley:
Theoretically, you could take Amtrak, but it would take you 2 days, because it’s 10 hours to Emeryville on the Coast Starlight, stay overnight, and then another 18 hours to SLC on the California Zephyr so you can arrive at 3 am.
The Pale Scot
@catclub: is Feb 27 so surely we’ll be back to normal by then@mad citizen:
I’m trying not to let my paranoia run amok. On Jan. 15 British Parliament votes on PM May’s “Working Agreement” AKA transition period as the UK secedes from the EU on March 29. She doesn’t have the votes, there is not even a kernel of consensus about what to do next except the only alternatives are unacceptable. So some international businesses will hit the panic button, any plan will end up in court by entities who’s oxen are being gored. And look, the SEC isn’t open, what could go wrong.
Vlad’s going to get his money’s worth sur’nough. On the bright side BoJo and Moogs will have introductions to nearby lamp posts
Bill Arnold
@Jeffro:
In DJT’s mind, the National Emergency is Nancy Pelosi serving as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. He also believes everything he thinks, which is stongly suggestive of a defective mind.
Rubio got one thing right; there is a real global and therefore also national emergency, climate change.
How fast are the oceans warming? (PDF, 2019/01/11)
via
Oceans are warming even faster than previously thought
Dark note: A wall on the Southern border of the US could be considered to be an early response to the future emergency of climate refugees streaming north, an attempt to to harden emotional responses in the US to such refugees. This would presume that Rs or key GOP backers have a long game. (Fossil fuel interests, perhaps; large FF companies often think in terms of decades.)
Gin & Tonic
@Elizabelle: I am at the airport at the moment. Things are proceeding more or less normally, although a bit more non-uniformed TSA people, presumably management, working the lines.
The Pale Scot
@sukabi:
I’d go with the submerged bamboo cage from Deer Hunter
Patricia Kayden
Who could have known that a con artist, know nothing, loud mouthed bigot wouldn’t make a good President? When do enough Deplorables get hurt by this shutdown to make Trump blink? Since he only cares about his base, this is the only question that matters.
A Ghost To Most
@The Pale Scot: Submerged in a septic tank.
Aleta
@WaterGirl: I loved your idea this morning and will do it.
A Ghost To Most
@Patricia Kayden: I believe that the only question that matters is when do 20 R senators choose self-preservation over party?
Quaker in a Basement
I’m thinking that any furloughed federal workers in NYC need to drop in for lunch at Trump Tower. When the bill comes, just slip ’em one of those “let’s make an arrangement” letters. It’ll work out. It always does.
Meanwhile, down in south Florida, a picnic on the 13th green at Mar-a-Lago sounds like a nice way to spend the afternoon. Yes, it might be inconvenient for any golfers who’d like to also use the course, but hey, The Wall is a bigger priority, right?
Elizabelle
@Gin & Tonic: Happy jet trails!
Bill Arnold
@Aleta:
Do you have a good link for this?
germy
@Aleta:
I read yesterday that folks in the trump administration were quietly preparing for her replacement. They must be disappointed.
sukabi
@Patricia Kayden: That’s the thing, he doesn’t care about his base. He’s hurting those “good Americans” at the same pace as he’s hurting immigrants. Coal and steel workers aren’t doing so great. Neither are farmers. Now you’ve got border patrol, coast guard, tsa, treasury and a whole bunch of other folks that are getting screwed and the ONLY THING drumpf cares about is himself.
Frankensteinbeck
@chris:
You people continue to vastly overestimate Trump. It’s a temper tantrum.
Frankensteinbeck
@A Ghost To Most:
Long before enough Senators peel off to publicly force McConnell’s hand, he’ll bring it to a vote himself to avoid the public embarrassment and potential loss of his position. Veto overriding numbers will be easy to get, assuming Trump vetoes at all. Right now, only two people have actually taken actions to prevent the government reopening – Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Trump has only run his mouth.
The Pale Scot
@Quaker in a Basement:
That would be great guerrilla theater, if only I was younger and employed by the feds,
catclub
@opiejeanne:
all the more reason to go to France!.
john fremont
@opiejeanne: Don’t forget, companies that build and service biomedical equipment for hospitals, medical laboratories etc. are under federal inspection authority as well. Those HHS, FDA and OSHA inspection teams are on reduced manpower right now.
catclub
@germy: an 85 year old woman with a recurrence of cancer.
I am thinking average life expectancy is measured in weeks. Here’s hoping she is above average!
Amir Khalid
During the US Government shutdown, are staff abroad — e.g. embassy personnel, including Americans and locals — also affected? It seems to me that salaries stop for them too. This may put Uncle Sam in violation of employment laws around the world.
Elizabelle
@Frankensteinbeck: Excuse me. Why can’t it be both?
Trump is a moron. The people behind the scenes, and the money types, may not be.
Elizabelle
@Amir Khalid: Yes. They are affected.
Excellent point. (1) Those playing chicken may not have thought of that and (2) if some have, they care so little about the rule of law or norms.
I actually think this whole thing is going to blow bad on Trump and the GOP, majorly, but it is nerve-wracking to watch it play out.
raven
Someone just posted pictures of the empty shelves at the huge DeKalb Farmers Market in Atlanta.
A Ghost To Most
@Frankensteinbeck: I’m referring to the entire shitshow. 20 R senators, and this is all over, except for the trials.
chris
@Frankensteinbeck: I’m not so sure that trump is running things. Consider Vladimir for instance.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@Frankensteinbeck: One doesn’t preclude the other.
tobie
@raven: Are the empty shelves linked to the cut of funds from the Ag Dept during the shutdown? I hadn’t given much thought to whether the shutdown would affect the national food supply. Is it time to start stockpiling?
raven
@tobie: Yep, it’s mostly fresh produce.
MP
@raven: Huh. Just around the corner from me. They ship in a ton of produce from overseas – I thought those FDA inspectors were still at full strength.
Frankensteinbeck
@catclub:
No, apparently this kind of cancer is the norm rather than the exception in women her age, and if you get through the surgery and immediate recovery okay, it has no further effect on lifespan.
catclub
@Elizabelle:
Important if true! People were saying the same about the 2013 shutdown that was caused by the GOP. They punished in 2014 by winning 9 new senate seats.
Elizabelle
@catclub: In Virginia, it elected Terry McAuliffe. By a pretty narrow margin, but he turned out to be an excellent governor.
Virginia is full of feds and contractors, and they have good memories.
snoey
@Frankensteinbeck:
Everything slows down at that age, including tumor growth.
Barry
@A Ghost To Most: “I believe that the only question that matters is when do 20 R senators choose self-preservation over party?”
The real question is when to 20 R Senators decide that opposing Trump *is* self-preservation?
Right now, I can see the overwhelming majority deciding to stay on the ship.
Elizabelle
@catclub: Hmmm. And those seats are up in 2020.
I cannot speak to why people elect Republican senators. It does not reflect well on them.
opiejeanne
@catclub: Yes, the food is awesome, but we can’t drive to France. We fly out of Seattle on Iceland Air and while I trust them, I don’t know what we’ll be dealing with by May.
Spanky
Oh look! Frances Urquhart is running for
PMPresident:Maybe.
Lymie
Both Minneapolis and Boston airports were a cinch today, but today was the first missed pay check. Seemed completely normal.
tobie
@raven: Wow. If this goes on, we’re going to start seeing diseases like scurvy again.
trollhattan
I’m waiting for Trump to experience actual consequences, personally, for his two years of serial shenanigans. I don’t mean missing two rounds of golf, I don’t mean having most of his staff flee at the drop of a hat, I don’t mean losing the House, I don’t mean Muller still functioning and not in jail because reasons, I mean actual consequences to He, Trump. As has been the case his entire life, he is getting away with all this crap. All of it. Only now his victims count in the tens of millions.
raven
@MP: @MP: Rut ro, I clicked on the original FB poster and it looks like it may be fake.
Aleta
@Bill Arnold: No, the concerns are my projection, though I’ll look for the story that mentions the efforts of civil rights workers to contact as many people as they can. The info about what feds do if an em.dom. project doesn’t go through after they have seized land (auction it off) came from an answer from @BillinGlendaleCA last night to my question.
satby
@Gozer: I leave for Mexico on the 16th and come home on the 25th… And every single day I wonder if I’ll be able to go. My exchange sons have already arranged time off from their jobs for my visit.
I’m trying not to be depressed about it because at least I currently have SS coming in when the furloughed folks have nothing, but I will be really depressed if I can’t go. Not so much if I go and can’t get back though.
Mainmata
@Derelict: One Miami terminal has already closed because of a lack of TSA workers so, yep, could be a real problem.
J R in WV
@geg6:
Ooh, Ooh, who’d you pie? We all want to know who finally pushed you over the line, and how and why…
Yutsano
@trollhattan: Ready to be more depressed? I came across this video that shows what we’re losing in the sciences by his stupid mnemonic. I’m actually more pissed about this than missing work.
Omnes Omnibus
@J R in WV: I assume it was me.
Elizabelle
Re the blogpost title:
I think Trump is going to be his own record for most criminal indictments lodged against a “President”, sitting, squatting, or former.
Mnemosyne
@catclub:
Not necessarily. My mother in law has had two different cancers so far — a thyroid cancer with a 99 percent survival rate if treated promptly (it was) and a recent mouth cancer that was surgically excised with complete success and will not require further treatment.
If these things are caught early, they can be very survivable, even for 85 year olds.
Mnemosyne
@catclub:
What, you thought the Russians only started meddling in 2016? They started as soon as Citizens United let them send untraceable dark money to Republicans.
MP
@raven: I’m headed there this weekend, so I’ll know for sure in a day or two.
JPL
@raven: Why?
I see several others asked before me. Thanks for the heads up.
JPL
@MP: If you live in GA, call and thank Lucy McBath whether she is in your district or not. You could simply thank her for her support of background checks. Someone posted her number on the local nextdoor and several mentioned that they were going to call about the wall. I feel the office might need some good calls also.
Lucy McBeth’s number is 202-225-4501
opiejeanne
@tobie: Fruit like oranges and apples have been in cold storage for several months, so they’re as safe to eat as they were a month ago. Lettuce and other veggies usually eaten raw, not so much. We are going to wash and cook any veggies we deal with until things go back to “normal”.
tarragon
@rikyrah:
Yeah!
Actually, I don’t understand this. They passed the senate bill, why does the senate need to take this up again.
Dan B
@opiejeanne: I’ve been buying all our produce at our Columbia City PCC (co-op). And organic at Red Apple (small local chain). The certification for organic is government but the controls for the safety if the produce are mostly small scale. Organic from outside is almost entirely agri-business, according to a friend who works in the field of organic farming – upper management consultation. So even organic from California will be suspect very soon.
catclub
@tarragon: That was the bill passed by the senate in the previous session. They have to start over in the new session. the bill passed in the old session is a deceased parrot, it has joined the choir invisible.
opiejeanne
@Dan B: There’s a PCC in Redmond, but not very close to us. I’ve been considering dried, canned, and frozen foods, foods like beans and corn and peas. I’ve got a turkey and a standing rib in the freezer, and we are currently working on a ham. The bone will go into lentil soup along with the “horse” carrots left from Christmas that someone left in our fridge.
(The definition of eternity is two people and a ham.)
We are almost out of the produce we grew last year, just a handful of small potatoes and onions are left. Some strawberries and cherries in the freezer. It’s going to be a while before it’s warm enough to start seeds for the garden. I’m baking bread for the heck of it today, but that could become a standard thing around here.
Dan B
@sukabi: MSM exposes on Trump’s international business schemes would be great but would expose the pubkic to how It’s done. Some might question how common it is. If Trump does it where did he learn how to launder money, and work with corrupt governments, and oligarchs, and mafias?
Might expose the US elite.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Aleta:
The conservatards finally figured it out about why Judge Mc Rapey Crybaby sucks the south end when it’s to damn late. Who would have thunk a no principle scoundrel has no principles. Total idiots.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Frankensteinbeck:
I am with him, this is all because Trump is upset that the Dems are refusing to kiss his south end and that’s were it begins and ends. If Trump had a sekret’ agenda, he would have babbled about it by now.
A Ghost To Most
@Barry:
Think Washington, DC, early 1974. Noxin still enjoys broad support in both Houses. The heavy investigations are just ramping up. Then, everything starts coming out, and by August, Noxin. Is. Toast.
This case makes Noxin look like a Boy Scout.
I may be preparing for the worst, but I now think that the gears of our bureaucracy will gobble up Mr. Creosote and his co-conspirators. Assuming govt gets opened before it collapses.
randy khan
@Frankensteinbeck:
I think this is right. McConnell doesn’t want to risk having it look like he’s losing control of the Senate. He’ll probably slip some face-saving but actually meaningless provision into the bill to make it look like he got something.
randy khan
@Spanky:
Frankly, if she were as good at politics as FU in the original Game of Cards – minus the bodies, of course – it would be great news.
Karen
@germy: I can see it now…
Trump calls and offers the nomination to his next Conservative man. Then he calls McConnell so they can set up the nomination. Then he hears that RBG is coming back and is like F**k!!!!
Redshift
It’s not the only record Trump has broken. He got rejected by the most women at one time, just after his inauguration.
Aleta
@Bill Arnold: If you like, here’s a couple of things I read this week (skimmed the 1st one ) that gave me a sense of what the admin is doing / can do to pressure individuals, even before it has full funding or the rights to all the land it needs.
This effort for La Lomita Chapel is related to the attempted seizure of land belonging to the National Butterfly Center. (Destruction has already begun, with major destruction scheduled for Feb.) A few links after this about how the feds have been rushing destruction. The Center didn’t succeed in its recent court challenge (which the SC refused to hear a few weeks ago).
(The N. Butterfly Center has a go fund me. )
Hoodie
@randy khan: I doubt it. McConnell is more afraid of the Trump caucus in the senate and the house. He saw what happened to Boehner and Ryan. If he passes a bill that Trump vetoes, the votes for override aren’t there and the gop fractures. Defections by “centrists” like Collins and Gardner are harmless, as they will always come back to the fold because they like being in the GOP club and Mitch holds the money. Ironically, McConnell may be the guy most hoping Mueller has something big on Trump, which could give him leeway to turn on Trump while keeping his caucus intact. I doubt he wants to be Trump’s full time lackey, because he knows Trump is thoroughly unreliable as an ally. But he will keep playing it this way because he is a shitty, power obsessed excuse for a human being and hopes Nancy folds or Trump gets indicted.
mapaghimagsik
heard my first predatory load company offering easy payments because of the government shutdown.
mini-drumfs that need to learn a little empathy.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Aleta:
Even when there’s not an actual serious national security threat? It’s fucking Trump. Everybody knows he’s lying. Everybody knows that there’s no legitimate reason for the type of border wall he’s proposing and that there is no immigration crisis at the southern border. Federal judges should just tell the Trump admin to fuck off.
tarragon
@catclub:
Ah. Got it. Thanks.
randy khan
@Hoodie:
My underlying premise is that McConnell will know when his caucus is about to fold and act accordingly to preserve his power, not that he will act against the will of the caucus. I’d also note that the Senate has fewer committed Trumpers than the House, which is different from saying that they’re not wary of what Trump supporters can do to them in a primary.
I believe that what he really is hoping is that it doesn’t come to that, and that either Trump or Pelosi blinks before then. He understands that any vote that the Senate takes causes significant electoral problems unless Trump is signed off on it.
Aleta
Karen
Can he call for the Emergency then instead of using the money for the wall, the money accidentally goes into one of his slush funds?
Bill Arnold
@Aleta:
Thanks! I’ll give it all at least a skim.
joel hanes
@Aleta:
They are orcs.