• Menu
  • Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar

Before Header

  • About Us
  • Lexicon
  • Contact Us
  • Our Store
  • ↑
  • ↓
  • ←
  • →

Balloon Juice

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Come on, man.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

Second rate reporter says what?

You cannot shame the shameless.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

Not all heroes wear capes.

Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.

I did not have telepathic declassification on my 2022 bingo card.

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

People are complicated. Love is not.

In my day, never was longer.

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

We still have time to mess this up!

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Mobile Menu

  • Winnable House Races
  • Donate with Venmo, Zelle & PayPal
  • Site Feedback
  • War in Ukraine
  • Submit Photos to On the Road
  • Politics
  • On The Road
  • Open Threads
  • Topics
  • Balloon Juice 2023 Pet Calendar (coming soon)
  • COVID-19 Coronavirus
  • Authors
  • About Us
  • Contact Us
  • Lexicon
  • Our Store
  • Politics
  • Open Threads
  • War in Ukraine
  • Garden Chats
  • On The Road
  • 2021-22 Fundraising!
You are here: Home / Anderson On Health Insurance / My cheat sheet on thinking about COVID spread

My cheat sheet on thinking about COVID spread

by David Anderson|  June 10, 20207:37 am| 27 Comments

This post is in: Anderson On Health Insurance, COVID-19 Coronavirus, Information As Power

FacebookTweetEmail

Trying to estimate how much COVID is out there is tough if we assume that there is some spread above zero and also non-universal spread.  We have to estimate the situation from incomplete information.  We have case counts which is a function of who is getting tested with what types of tests at various points in time with various levels of background COVID disease spread.  We have the number of tests and then we also have positivity rates which is merely the quotient of new infections divided by the number of tests administered in a period.  We should assume that testing is non-random in most cases.  We should strongly suspect that people who have already been infected are unlikely to be tested and people who are not symptomatic nor knowingly in recent contact with someone who had been infectious are less likely to be tested than people who have reason to suspect that they might be infected.

We should assume that we’re not testing enough if we are getting 80% positivity rates as there is massive community spread at that point.  We are probably overtesting if we are getting 0.001% positivity rates.

I have a cheat sheet to help me think through the daily reports.

My cheat sheet on thinking about COVID spread

This is not perfect. But as long as positivity rate is going down in the context of flat or increasing testing, community spread is probably going down. If positivity rate is going up, a state or a region might have an upcoming challenge.

FacebookTweetEmail
Previous Post: « Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Where Your Road Takes You
Next Post: California Dreaming »

Reader Interactions

27Comments

  1. 1.

    Cameron

    June 10, 2020 at 8:03 am

    Thanks for offering your professional insight; it’s all too easy to get washed away in the flood of nonsense churned out over social media.  If you don’t mind, I’d appreciate your thoughts on this article: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/07/marin-epidemiologist-larry-brilliant-virus-crisis-just-beginning/  Thanks!

  2. 2.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 10, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Thanks, David. This is useful.

    I’m disappointed to see New Mexico go from green to red on your map. I’ve been thinking about getting back to piano lessons, and I am trying to decide on a couple of routine medical appointments. Maybe on the appointments, better to go now than when the wave comes.

  3. 3.

    David Anderson

    June 10, 2020 at 8:31 am

    @Cameron: I am not qualified to assess the argument he is making.  There are a couple of things (doubling times) that seem off given the data I’m seeing

  4. 4.

    Cameron

    June 10, 2020 at 8:40 am

    @David Anderson: Thank you!

  5. 5.

    Punchy

    June 10, 2020 at 8:46 am

    @David Anderson: Ah…..Dublin times.  Memories….

  6. 6.

    Ohio Mom

    June 10, 2020 at 8:57 am

    My county appears to be on a very slow downward trend — there are a handful of sites I check daily, among them the NYT, rt.live, covidactnow.org, and my local board of health.

    They probably all use the same raw data but I find the variety of presentations helpful to me in trying to get a handle on what is happening ony corner of the world.

    I am assuming this downward trend is a lull before another wave. So I’m doing things like catching up with medical appointments and stocking up on nonperishables. Oh, and sewing and collecting masks.

  7. 7.

    David Anderson

    June 10, 2020 at 9:00 am

    @Ohio Mom: A second wave is not inevitable.  If a region is aggressively testing and then aggressively contact tracing and isolating folks in the context of generalized precautions, a region can probably ride things out without catastrophic spikes

    General precautions include doing as much as possible outdoors, limiting close contact, very high percentages of mask/facial covering wearing, good hygiene and avoiding crowds.

    Shutdowns are to be avoided if possible.  We know what tools are effective at avoiding shut-downs and we know how to use them if we allow ourselves to do so.

    And then there are some states and regions the will proclaim FREEDUMB!

  8. 8.

    Wag

    June 10, 2020 at 9:01 am

    I think your framework is spot on.  It certainly reflects what I am seeing in Colorado.  Keep up the excellent work!

  9. 9.

    Rugosa

    June 10, 2020 at 9:02 am

    This is great, thanks.  Massachusetts is starting Phase 2 of re-opening and I’m waiting to see what happens in the next couple of weeks.  This gives me a useful way to make sense of the numbers as they come out.

  10. 10.

    Roger Moore

    June 10, 2020 at 9:13 am

    One thing I would question is the case with a rising test count but a flat positive rate.  I think that is likely to be a sign of increasing infection, which is bad.  It’s not a sign of rapidly rising infection, so it’s not as bad as an increasing positive rate with an increasing test rate, but it’s not good.

  11. 11.

    David Anderson

    June 10, 2020 at 9:19 am

    @Roger Moore: If positivity rate is constant in the face of rising testing, the assumption is either slight increase in community spread as the marginal tested individual should be less likely to be positive than the average individual, but as long as it is not spiking, not a huge concern over a few day period.

  12. 12.

    Xavier

    June 10, 2020 at 9:26 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: I’m not sure things are that bad. The spike recently seems to be a cluster in detention centers. Your county hasn’t had a new case in weeks.

    Here in ABQ, I went grocery shopping and to a quick stop at a big box, and every single person in both places was wearing a mask.

  13. 13.

    Another Scott

    June 10, 2020 at 9:41 am

    I agree that your table is a useful way to think about things, but we’re still suffering from incomplete (and intentionally misleading in too many cases) information.

    Other countries have shown that it is possible to reduce new infections, and even eliminate new infections (New Zealand).  We should not accept that “eh, there’s nothing we can do, we can’t stay locked down forever, so we might as well open up NOW NOW NOW” attitudes that so many people seem to have.  20,000+ new confirmed cases and 1000+ new deaths a day is not success.  It’s a tragedy.

    :-(

    In addition to rates, we need to look at numbers of hospitalizations and deaths.  We should not accept that nothing more can be done.

    I think Larry Brilliant’s mantra that 80% of the population wearing masks 80% of the time will knock the virus back should be tested. It seems reasonable and seems worth trying.

    Also, I still think my favorite metric for “are we over the hump yet?” is Total Recovered / Active Cases at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Is that ratio substantially over 1? No? Then we’re not over the hump yet and it’s still dangerous out there. Like any number, it can be gamed of course (look at Brazil), but it seems to tell us something about this point in time compared to successful countries.

    Thanks again.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  14. 14.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 10, 2020 at 9:48 am

    I examined your chart in the spirit of Mr. Oberle, my HS calculus teacher (the best math instructor I ever had, out of a bunch of very good ones), whose guiding motto was Why make a simple thing complicated?

    It shows that, in effect, the only factor affecting “status” is the positivity rate – if it’s flat or down the status is good, if it’s up the status is bad, irrespective of case count or test count. Is that a productive insight, or more on the order of “water is wet?”

  15. 15.

    David Anderson

    June 10, 2020 at 9:51 am

    @Uncle Cosmo: That is about 90% of the take-away of the chart.

  16. 16.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 10, 2020 at 9:53 am

    @Xavier: On Monday, I went to the store and saw a notice on the door that because of the governor’s order, all shoppers must be masked. And they were. It’s important to have leadership for a collective-action problem. And important to the stores that they not have to try to enforce this by themselves.

    New Mexico is doing better than others, but it’s too early to reduce restrictions. People have totally forgotten, or never learned, how exponentials behave. And the last lessons were only a couple of months ago. A lot of us said then that if things work out, there will be complaints that too much was done. Well, here we are. A thousand deaths a day nationally, and yeah, let’s party.

    I’ll be pleased to be wrong. We’ll see.

    America fails the marshmallow test – Paul Krugman

  17. 17.

    Ohio Mom

    June 10, 2020 at 9:53 am

    David Anderson: Ohio as you know, started out strong but now? Governor DeWine is dropping the ball on a lot of things, including mask-wearing. We are opening up things at a quick clip (amusement parks too).

    I don’t know anything about our testing numbers but can’t help but feel we are tempting fate/the virus with our glee at getting out of lockdown.

    If we are lucky and a second wave does not come, at least my family will be up to date on medical appointments and I’ll be ahead of the grocery shopping.

  18. 18.

    Another Scott

    June 10, 2020 at 10:26 am

    @David Anderson:

    Relatedly, CalculatedRiskBlog.com:

    […]

    Note: I started posting this graph when the US was doing a few thousand tests per day. Clearly the US was way under testing early in the pandemic. I’ll continue posting this graph daily at least until the percent positive is continuously under 3% and the daily positive is significantly lower than today.

    The US is now usually conducting over 400,000 tests per day, and that might be enough to allow test-and-trace in some areas. Based on the experience of other countries, the percent positive needs to be well under 5% to really push down new infections, so the US still needs to increase the number of tests per day significantly.

    According to Dr. Jha of Harvard’s Global Health Institute, the US might need more than 900,000 tests per day .

    There were 432,880 test results reported over the last 24 hours.

    [graph]

    Click on graph for larger image.

    This data is from the COVID Tracking Project.

    The percent positive over the last 24 hours was 4.2% (red line).

    For the status of contact tracing by state, check out testandtrace.com.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  19. 19.

    dmsilev

    June 10, 2020 at 10:47 am

    @David Anderson:

    General precautions include doing as much as possible outdoors, limiting close contact, very high percentages of mask/facial covering wearing, good hygiene and avoiding crowds.

    My employer is starting to phase in an on-campus reopening, and this nicely summarizes a large chunk of what we’re doing. We’ve added in requiring people to log their locations and any close contacts with other people while on campus, to facilitate contact tracing should that be needed.

    (first phase will probably see about 20 percent, at most, of the normal population back on campus, and everyone else still working from home)

  20. 20.

    Dupe1970

    June 10, 2020 at 10:50 am

    One thing to look at is hospitalization rates and ICU usage rates especially for any respiratory ailment. Independent of testing and rates of infections versus testing we can easily look at how quickly hospitals are filling and space being used as marker for overall infection spread.

  21. 21.

    frosty

    June 10, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Thanks for your link yesterday: covidexitstrategy.org. My state (PA) it looks like it’s doing well except not enough testing. Maryland is a mess.

  22. 22.

    Hoodie

    June 10, 2020 at 10:55 am

    Becoming pretty disappointed in NC’s performance. Seems like we’re backsliding into a potential crisis and GOP legislature is trying to make it worse.

  23. 23.

    Barbara

    June 10, 2020 at 11:10 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: It’s the same in most parts of Virginia.  Grocery stores will not let you go in without a mask.  I haven’t been to other kinds of stores so far, most are not open to go into for now.  One good thing about Northern Virginia is that our critical mass of government workers is predisposed to go along with most collective action measures.  They give public health officials the benefit of the doubt.

  24. 24.

    bks

    June 10, 2020 at 11:22 am

    For the world or for the USA?   Can we be in a good position while, say, Mexico is worsening?

  25. 25.

    StringOnAStick

    June 10, 2020 at 11:25 am

    There was a woman collecting petition signatures in front of the main local grocery on Monday, all for RW ballot measures (the ban on abortion after 22 weeks has made the fall ballot already, with an assist by extending signature collection due to Covid). She was wearing a mask, but I watched and she wasn’t cleaning pens or clipboards after each person.  I think the nature of what she was collecting for and people being hesitant to handle that stuff and how close she would get to people was hurting her “sales” rate.

  26. 26.

    KsSteve

    June 10, 2020 at 12:49 pm

     

    What I find particular frustrating is the lack of clarity of data we do have.  Is the positivity rate “ merely the quotient of new infections divided by the number of tests administered“?   I’m guessing some individuals are being tested multiple times for various reasons.  Do we actually know how many people have  tested positive vs how many test results are positive?

  27. 27.

    David Anderson

    June 10, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    @KsSteve: Different states report different rates

     

    That is actually one of the things I am working on this afternoon.

Comments are closed.

Primary Sidebar

🎈Keep Balloon Juice Ad Free

Become a Balloon Juice Patreon
Donate with Venmo, Zelle or PayPal

2023 Pet Calendars

Pet Calendar Preview: A
Pet Calendar Preview: B

*Calendars can not be ordered until Cafe Press gets their calendar paper in.

Recent Comments

  • Martin on Late Night Open Thread: Elon Musk Is SAD! (Feb 7, 2023 @ 3:06am)
  • Aussie Sheila on Late Night Open Thread: Elon Musk Is SAD! (Feb 7, 2023 @ 3:06am)
  • Central Planning on Late Night Open Thread: Elon Musk Is SAD! (Feb 7, 2023 @ 3:03am)
  • Amir Khalid on Late Night Open Thread: Elon Musk Is SAD! (Feb 7, 2023 @ 3:01am)
  • Martin on Late Night Open Thread: Elon Musk Is SAD! (Feb 7, 2023 @ 2:40am)

Balloon Juice Posts

View by Topic
View by Author
View by Month & Year
View by Past Author

Featuring

Medium Cool
Artists in Our Midst
Authors in Our Midst
We All Need A Little Kindness
Favorite Dogs & Cats
Classified Documents: A Primer

Calling All Jackals

Site Feedback
Nominate a Rotating Tag
Submit Photos to On the Road
Balloon Juice Mailing List Signup
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Links)
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Posts)

Front-pager Twitter

John Cole
DougJ (aka NYT Pitchbot)
Betty Cracker
Tom Levenson
TaMara
David Anderson
ActualCitizensUnited

Shop Amazon via this link to support Balloon Juice   

Join the Fight!

Join the Fight Signup Form
All Join the Fight Posts

Balloon Juice Events

5/14  The Apocalypse
5/20  Home Away from Home
5/29  We’re Back, Baby
7/21  Merging!

Balloon Juice for Ukraine

Donate

Site Footer

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

  • Facebook
  • RSS
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Comment Policy
  • Our Authors
  • Blogroll
  • Our Artists
  • Privacy Policy

Copyright © 2023 Dev Balloon Juice · All Rights Reserved · Powered by BizBudding Inc

Share this ArticleLike this article? Email it to a friend!

Email sent!