At least 2-3 times a day I am briefly paralyzed with fear that Trump is going to win in November. My chest tightens, my blood pressure rises, and I get lightheaded.
In other news, Texas and Louisiana are about to be wiped out with a hurricane and it is *BARELY* making the news.
scav
What exactly should they be sweeping to make it all better? Or is this where the paper towels come in?
WaterGirl
@scav: They are not patrolling with their shop vacs!
Alternately, this is not their fault at all because it’s a red state.
You choose.
mrmoshpotato
They’re sure it’s not a Russthuglican hurricane though!
lowcountryboil
I have the same fear. I’m confident that Biden will win the popular vote by 6-8 points, but I have no confidence in the electoral.
Avalune
I bet Trump is pretty pissed he’s being slightly overshadowed by the NBA protest and a stupid hurricane.
It’s myyyyyyy niiiight.
NotMax
“Laura will go away. Like a miracle.”
//
@scav
An army of Roombas set loose on the bayous.
:)
scav
@WaterGirl: Ah yes, of course. Shop vacs, presumably engaged during a laudatory Trump boat parade!
dmsilev
@scav: Raking, not sweeping. Important distinction.
Eljai
Remember to do some deep breathing. It’s important to take care of yourself. I have moments of slight panic too. I think it’s because even after 4 years of disaster there’s still a gaggle of reporters crawling up the asses of Trump supporters to get their opinion, as if the rest of us just don’t matter. After President Biden is sworn in and it’s safe to travel again, I’m going to park my butt in front of the NYT building until a reporter comes out to ask me my opinion.
Kay
I think it’s true for most people. Democrats are always nervous but they’re jumping out of their skin this time. I knew it would be like this- I bet most of you did too. We’ve known for at least a year that we were going to have this VERY LONG August to November jumpy period.
The biggest media lie last night was Democrats think they have this in the bag. Jesus. Do they KNOW any?
LeftCoastYankee
This has been a dark day.
But the professional athletes in the NBA, WNBA and MLB staging wildcat strikes brings a flicker of hope.
No justice, no circus.
NotMax
@lowcountryboil
Reading the venerable Cook’s ‘as of today’ latest may help ease the jitters.
Many Are Afraid To Say It, but This Is Not a Close Race
zhena gogolia
@Kay:
Just had dinner with friends. The husband is convinced there’ll be an armed insurrection.
Just your typical Democrats.
Kent
So, I haven’t seen anyone mention that Trump just spent all the FEMA money diverting it to cover unemployment payments because they refused to negotiate with the Democrats.
Now we have a MASSIVE hurricane hitting two red states and the FEMA coffers are going to be empty. Oops.
Pelosi and the House should pull back their Covid relief bill, add the Hurricane relief money to it, and send it back to the Senate and let McConnell refuse to take action on BOTH Covid and Hurricane Laura.
Tim Now Sir Simon Poshlord
Sharpie joke.
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
To be forever after known as The Hundred Minutes War.
// :)
*sigh* Doom porners chafe worse than hairshirts.
Lacuna Synechdoche
John Cole @ Top:
Right? I feel like I’m in that scene from “Being John Malkovich” where Malkovich slides down the chute into a world where everyone has a Malkovich face and speaks only one word, “Malkovich,” in varying intonations – well, anyway, as much varying intonation as one can vary when repeatedly saying “Malkovitch”.
Except, instead of “Malkovich,” everyone has Trump’s face and just keeps saying “Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Tru…” over and over and over and over and ad infinitum over again. It’s a fucking nightmare.
frosty
@NotMax: Helpful, thanks. 270towin also helps to talk me down.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
Oh John, I know just what you mean. I taped the 20/20 interview with Joe and Kamala and was unable to watch more than about half of it because of the dread that rose in me. I did have an interview with SPW on TRMS from March just after she suspended her campaign I was able to watch. She is so same and smart. At the beginning of the show was a news recap and the death toll was 12, I think. All the coverage was about a cruise ship.
Omnes Omnibus
@Lacuna Synechdoche: Hey, Malkovich, think fast!
Lacuna Synechdoche
John Cole @ Top:
There goes that FEMA money Trump was going to redirect to unemployment … Or will he still hold onto it and screw, as Trump will eventually call them, “the losers who couldn’t even avoid a hurricane.”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kent: Add in money for the California wildfires too.
Sab
Cole, What news are you watching? My BIL is in Baton Rouge and I in Ohio am obsessed. BIL on the other hand thinks we are over-reacting. I grew up in Florida so I don’t think so. We will all see
Hurricanes, not politics. Focuses the mind a bit ( but apparently not the BIL.)
TaMara (HFG)
I have been despondent all day. Turning off and tuning out for a while.
Kent
@?BillinGlendaleCA: But, you lazy libs didn’t do a good enough job of raking your forests.
mrmoshpotato
@Kent:
“But Dear Leader doesn’t have a vagina and hates the same people we hate!”
Fuck ’em!
FlyingToaster
@zhena gogolia: He’s not alone. I’m the granddaughter of a socialist/pacifist, daughter of two democratic activists, and I’m fucking convinced this ends in bloodshed.
Mind you, I grew up in Clay County. I know EXACTLY what the run-up to a Civil War looks like. It looks like Clay County from 1854-1861.
I may live in Bwahstin now, but even looking from beneath the Sacred Cod, this is going to be very, very bad. And deadly. On top of everything else that 2020 is bringing us.
raven
@Sab: Here’s WWL
WaterGirl
@Kent:
Did he actually do that?
Suzanne
@Kay:
I am freaking the fuck right out.
I can’t deal with this year.
Another Scott
@lowcountryboil: https://www.270towin.com/ has the “consensus” forecast at 278 to Biden with an additional 91 “toss-up”.
Don’t get discouraged. We have a lot of work to do, but the wind is at our back.
Cheers,
Scott.
raven
Ease up goddamit!
Ken
@WaterGirl: Sort of, but his
planconceptslurry that came out of his mouth required states to pay 25% of the cost and change their UI systems again, and I’ve not heard that any of them have taken the offer.Another Scott
@WaterGirl: I don’t think he did.
Because the broke states would have had to put up 25% of the money, and because it wasn’t clear it was legal, and …
It was more of Donnie’s bloviating and lies, AFAICS.
Cheers,
Scott.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@Avalune: the tiny silver lining to the hurricane and the horrific shooting of Jacob.
Sab
@raven: Well you certainly calmed me down. Last time he didn’t evacuate because the dog. His daughter rescued him with friends with boats. He did not learn a GD thing. New dog , however. Hope it can swim. Ohio, exporting her idiots.
mrmoshpotato
@Another Scott:
But act like we have a gale-force wind in our face, because we need a CRUSHING victory!
Remember! These assholes wouldn’t accept the 2016 win because of the popular vote loss!
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@NotMax: thanks for the link. It helped!
Quiltingfool
I am feeling despondent today, too. Having a huge sensory overload, just things seem so dark. I think I need to go clean up the supper dishes and then work on a quilt – I can look at the fabrics and finished blocks and think, “pretty, pretty, pretty!” An escape, but sometimes you need to walk away for a little bit.
Patricia Kayden
Martin
@NotMax: I’m having this argument with Nate.
He’s trying to reconcile why the polls are 70%-80% Biden but the betting markets are only 50%-60%. My argument is that statistics assumes a certain predictability around the sample. I can predict with 100% certainty that an 12oz can of soda when put on a scale will weigh less than a pound, but only if the scale is accurate.
That gap reflects that about 20% of the betting market expects Trump to cheat, making the polls irrelevant.
That’s where the anxiety comes from. In a fair election, yeah, we got this. Not even close. I’m about 50/50 on whether that will happen though.
Similarly I’m about 50/50 on the armed insurrection as well. The kind of damage Trump is doing is hard to fix. Trump has no fear of an armed insurrection. He has no fear of the nation breaking. He has no concerns for such things. If Republicans were willing to work to repair it, sure, but they aren’t. I’ve never seen such a gross display of cowardice in my life.
Sab
@Quiltingfool: I have a ton of fabric but no creativity. Sigh. My dog just said the same thing. We would love to quilt but don’t want to ruin the fabric
ETA:: my little folk harp has been begging for a new cover for 10 years.
raven
@Sab: The Gator Navy!
dww44
@Kent: Best idea I’ve read recently. I smile thinking about the GOP having to take this vote!
FelonyGovt
I have the same periods of sheer terror that this fucker is going to be re-elected, whether by cheating, by the stupidity of some Americans, or both. It’s especially infuriating that my vote in California doesn’t matter worth a damn, and it may all come down to what some folks in three or four states decide to do this time.
Sab
@raven: Huh? He got to La when the CoastGuard sent him there. Sent his younger brother to the Great Lakes where they belonged.
Mai naem mobile
Can’t Orange Lump just sharpie Laura to the blue states?
BTW Kay-Lee and Kelly Ann are big fat liars like their boss.
raven
@Sab: Read “The Great Deluge” by Brinkley. The Gator Navy are to coon-asses who saved people all over Louisiana. Interestingly them, the Coast Guard and WalMart were the entities that did the best during Katrina.
mrmoshpotato
@Patricia Kayden: Hilarious, CNN! If Dump decided to bomb the shit out of Iran, Bolton would tear off Dump’s pants and…
lamh36
Excuse you Stuart Little….Laura ain’t gonna take out ALL of Louisianne…LOL
Sab
@raven: Sorry. Gator Navy were those guys ( probably his in-laws) rescuing idiots like him? His wife is Cajun, and wonderful, and we don’t know why she loves him but she does.
James E Powell
@Martin:
The press/media are looking forward to it. They are certain it will boost their revenues.
Every few days or so I will read something and think, maybe we shouldn’t destroy the entire Village, then I read a NYT’s writer telling us how Melania’s speech was great and will get suburban women (I don’t think she said white, but that’s what she meant) and other pundits berating the rest of us because we weren’t all warm & fuzzy with her speech.
I want them all destroyed. I want their LA privileges revoked. I want them all to spend a night in the box. I want their pets taken away and given good homes.
Mary G
OT, this bucked me up. An article with a teaser video of Meghan Markle and Gloria Steinem chatting in Meghan’s backyard in front of an amazing tree and joined by Meghan’s dogs. Gloria says voting is everything, and a movement is like a family. TLo’s commentary is priceless as well:
Albatrossity
They traffic in fear. It is their only currency.
Don’t let the bastards win. And if we are fearful, they are winning.
raven
@Albatrossity: Fuckin A!
Scuffletuffle
@Sab: You and me, lots of gorgeous fabrics, but cannot bring myself to cutting into them. Is there a 12 step for fabricaholics?
Omnes Omnibus
@Albatrossity: Then, from reading this thread and the one before, they are doing a bang up job.
Sab
@Mary G: I try not to follow the royals, but I do love that particular duchess.
rikyrah
Maybe it’s just me, but I remember everytime there was a major storm during 44’s Administration, they were all in his face about what he was going to do. Was it going to be his ‘Katrina ‘?
THIS Muthaphucka ?lets Puerto Rico drown, and they still phucking try to normalize him. They don’t even cover storms like this, cause they know the inept peop le who work for him are unprofessional.??
cain
They don’t know any – just think they know – based on tropes.
cain
Make sure they find every press person they can… we should be talking about it non-stop. (how come we don’t have democratic bots to amplify our signal?)
lamh36
Reason #999099999,9999999.99999 why I have no need to watch the RNC convention. There is no point watching the shitshow cause it won’t matter how many lies they tell, or how may Hatch Act violations they make, the folks who are voting for them will still voter for them…
work with this people. They still support him 100%. They just dont’ say his name. Any yet the attitudes they express about teachers who worried about COVID, or how they bemoan wearing masks, or talk about protesting…hell Steve Scalise is their Congressman and they love him
So no…fuq watching this racist shit-fest. It will mean nothing to me and it doesn’t mean anything to them either, they plan on supporting the GOP and Trump no matter what happens at RNC. So why the fuq would I put myself through watching it?
Example:
his is the lie that people who will and want to vote for Chump will swallow. Doesn’t matter they haven’t done shit…just saying enough to make the supporters and on-the-fencers, feel good about their shitty choice of Chump
FUQ you and Chump, Mike
Sab
@Scuffletuffle: Probably the fabric is better if we don’t get help.
My harp is hoping for crewell embroidery on canvas. That might actually happen this year.
My niece quilts madly. I just have to relinquish fabric to her. Can’t bring myself to do it. She will chop it up!
Immanentize
@lamh36: THIS! Nature can be terrible, it’s true. But nature is where we live.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Today for the first time in a while, I too was struck by terror that Trump would either win or somehow remain in power even if he didn’t. My god.
Another Scott
@cain: The speculation I saw recently was that Moscow Mitch was going to twiddle his thumbs until they have to pass a Continuing Resolution and then dump everything they want to pass into that. And Donnie was on board.
https://rollcall.com/2020/08/26/white-house-backs-cr-as-part-of-coronavirus-aid-package-meadows-says/
Because they’re so brave and statesmanly that they cannot bear to vote on important legislation otherwise.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
cain
@FelonyGovt:
Then we are going to down the hole – and we are going to climb back out again. Eventually, he’ll have taken the road down to utter ruin. The clean up will take generations.
We can thank the american populace for that. History will not look kind upon us all.
Immanentize
@James E Powell: How much have we ceded to the powers of the media? They are not all that in most lives compared to reality.
Feathers
@Sab: We need a weekly “Courage for Crafters” thread. I knit, have knit for a long time, have very inconsistent gauge. This means I need to knit a sweater all at once. At the beginning of all this, I put down the sweater I was working on to sew masks. I came back to my knitting and I have knit three sleeves, none of them the same size. I can knit the sleeve up to the armpit using a ruler to measure that it is the right size, but I have put it all aside for over two months now, because I am unwilling to do the math to figure out how to correctly knit the sleeve cap. I suppose I could also just pick up stitches along the edge of the sweater body and do short row sleeves. That may be best at this point. Sigh.
tldr; got rambling about my knit world problems.
Gin & Tonic
@cain:
This.
My parents survived Hitler and Stalin. They did not give up.
Immanentize
@rikyrah: ?
Omnes Omnibus
@Feathers: If it helps, I didn’t understand a bit of it.
Luciamia
Cole, what have you been watching. It certainly is on the news.
cain
@lamh36:
They can stand on that thin blue line because they ain’t going to have anything else to do with no sports on TV. Count on it.
raven
@Gin & Tonic: No shit, I’m going to bed. What a bunch of fucking babies.
Sab
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Bought a bunch of books from your publisher. Thanks for the headsup.
Eric NNY
Me too, JC, me too.
WaterGirl
@Quiltingfool: I think most of us are like that. Politics, COVID, we’re all gonna die, oh look at this baking stone on Pampered Chef!
cain
@Another Scott:
Sure, it is always about timing and of course – we’ll likely be forced to because we’re still on the side of the people and they need the money and support. They really are mobsters.
Kattails
@Sab: Wasn’t it you who responded to a link to Bernadette Banner on youtube the other night? (I caught the response too late.) She’s got a new post up, making a criss-cross capelet with a hand-stitched silk lining and working with a specialty shoe company on the design of a new one for their line. I was unaware of my need for handmade leather shoes with court heels and ribbon laces until a few days ago.
I’ve been inspired to look up websites that carry vintage patterns, contemplate my fabric stash, and generally drag myself BACK into a space where this stuff is a fun part of normalcy. It seems to me that your lovely little harp would be just so happy to have a cover, be tuned, and plucked a bit.
Perhaps we need to grab the future we want, throw out a grappling hook and drag ourselves into it.
Immanentize
My dear dear friends. If Trump wins a second term very bad things will happen. But I for one will continue working against those things. I once got a fortune in a cookie. I have it taped to my monitor at work:
That is my plan.
Immanentize
@Gin & Tonic: But Hitler and Stalin did!
Feathers
@Omnes Omnibus: Thanks for the laugh. We had our first day that felt like fall today in Boston and I want my sweater! But that means I have to knit it!
Mike in DC
@lamh36: Tantamount to incitement.
Kattails
@Feathers: Back when I was active in the SCA there was such a thing as the “Dabblers’ Guild”, membership being dependent on how many projects one had going ;-)
Kent
@WaterGirl:
@Kent:
Yes. Trump can’t actually spend money not allocated by Congress. So to get money for the wall he pulled it from other Pentagon accounts.
For the Covid unemployment he couldn’t just spend new money, so he diverted existing FEMA accounts towards Covid unemployment. At first they were demanding that states cough up $100/wk to get $300 in Fed dollars but backed off on that when even red states said they couldn’t. So now there are indeed a variety of states moving forward to capture that $300/wk unemployment boost including my own state of WA: https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/washington-approved-for-extra-300-per-week-in-unemployment-benefits/281-fd1b29d4-af75-4762-8872-9e6356e8c3bf
Who knows how long that money will last. I heard 6 weeks but no one knows. But regardless, they are spending the money that was for things like Hurricane Laura relief so will have to go back to Congress for Hurricane Laura now.
Immanentize
@raven: Sweet dreams! I’m heading to the land of Nod myself. And I hope to sleep like a baby
WaterGirl
@Scuffletuffle: I have that same problem, only with these beautiful hand-rubbed wooden cooking and serving utensils.
They are so beautiful, I can’t bear to use them!
Immanentize
@Feathers: It did NOT feel like Fall. It felt like old normal summer.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
this seems like a cromulent comment for the rest of the week and into the weekend
Omnes Omnibus
@Feathers: @Immanentize: Fuck you both, it was over 90 here today.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Sab: I hope you enjoy them. Thank you.
Sab
OMG. Our fifty pound rottweiler mix girl dog is asleep at the foot of my bed, completely oblivious that the fifteen pound tuxedo cat that haunts her dreams is asleep at the head of the bed. They hate and fear each other. Should be interesting when they wake up. I wish the dog would take charge. She is MUCH bigger than him, and sensible and kind. He HATES dogs. She has CAT friends.
Kay
Well, but I was thinking the other day- what we be like if Biden were down ten?
Good GOD :)
So, it could be worse.
We’d just have pets and food posts. We couldn’t bear anything else.
jonas
I think it was Stuart Stevens who observed in a tweet today that it was *very* telling that not one GOP senator in a toss-up race this fall dared showed their face at that convention. McSally? Collins? Gardner? Ernst? I don’t think even Graham turned up unless I missed it somewhere. McConnell was in there briefly, but I don’t think his race is that close at this point. Sadly.
If any of these folks thought Trump had coattails this year, you bet they’d have showed up to kiss Dear Leader’s ring, but they’re pretending he doesn’t exist.
Gin & Tonic
@Omnes Omnibus: I think it climbed all the way up to 75 today.
SiubhanDuinne
Ha ha ha, I’m getting an ad for “Best Fire Pit Ever.”
phein61
@Albatrossity:
Is the reverse also true? If they are afraid — and that seems their only currency — does that mean we are winning?
I’d like to think so.
Kay
Let’s just really wallow in that. Okay, Tulsi is the nominee. How are we?
Worse, it’s someone we like and Trump is trouncing them! But they might deserve trouncing because they’re a disaster of a candidate- all these horrible things are coming out about them – or, worse- they’re OVERPREPARED and USE EMAIL.
Suzanne
I have definitely gained the Covid 19. EHHHH.
Suzanne
I swear, all of the women in the Trump orbit have the same shitty dark roots and wavy extensions. It’s so BASIC.
Chris Johnson
@Martin: You must understand that what we’re seeing is Trump, his Russian friends, and the whole alt-right trying as HARD as they possibly can to produce a bloody insurrection for killing all the liberals and Democrats.
This is not a slippery slope thing, or negligence on their part, or cowardice. This is them pulling out all the stops to create a MILLION assault-rifle toting 17 year old nutjobs.
They got one. Courage. We are not the only country that has had terrorists within our borders, or the only one to get destabilized by enemy conspiracy. Hell, they learned it from us: it goes back into prehistory, I think.
This absolutely sucks but don’t for one moment think they’re NOT doing the dirty as hard as they can already. It looks to me like we have a lot of good Americans who are ready to say ‘no more fascism’. If the alt-right and Russian tools start literally killing us in larger numbers than twos and threes, we fight back more directly… and that also means, use of rule of law to stifle the criminals. Because what they want is not lawful at all. And most of our grievances are against lawlessness (especially lawlessness of those in power)
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: Grrrr….
Sab
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Wending my way through Dorothy Dunnett’s Nicolo books again. Dunnett was a huge discovery of mine this year. Dense dense books. First read just to figure out who is who. Second read to get gist of plot. Third read to realize it is amazing and so are most of the characters. But ten thousand pages to figure out the basic plot for one of her series, three times the basics of the plot. Lot of reading.
I love your books. I love ( most of) your characters.
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize:
Good advice.
My husband is sure we are going to have Biden as president. He doesn’t watch the news. He listens to his still, small voice.
MisterForkbeard
@Suzanne: Ack, really? Do your best to stay healthy. :(
Jay
Kay
@Chris Johnson:
This was good:
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize:
Stalin did by . . . dying?
Immanentize
@Omnes Omnibus:
@Gin & Tonic:
And right now it’s 68!
PsiFighter37
If Cheeto wins or steals the election, I am leaving this country. We will be sliding down the same slippery slope as Hungary, where minority popular vote turned into an insanely authoritarian regime.
zhena gogolia
@MisterForkbeard:
It took me a minute, but I think she means 19 pounds, not the virus. A little scary, could have been worded better.
Gin & Tonic
@Immanentize: In the big city, maybe. Out here in the sticks it’s 61 and dropping.
Immanentize
@zhena gogolia: That is the ultimate surrender, no?
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize:
It was so beautiful today.
But severe storms tomorrow, blah. Not a hurricane, though, so I’m grateful for that.
Immanentize
@Gin & Tonic: so fine! Enjoy.
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize: Yeah, but he had a good run.
Kay
No one is mentioning the hurricane at the Trump tv show because the speeches were all pre-taped.
That’s that administration in a nutshell.
Immanentize
@zhena gogolia: my garden and yard so need rain. Not sorry if there is a soaking. I think we are supposed to get the remnants of Laura Tuesday?
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize:
I thought this morning they said Fri-Sat?
Immanentize
@Kay: I thought they were against pre taped speeches? Didn’t they hate on the Dems for that?
Sab
@Kattails: Yes it was me. Thanks so much. Who knew there were clothing historians. There should be. I didn’t know there actually were.
Got useful sewing instructions from her on something simple. The rest I am in awe of. You go girl. I would never attempt that, but I can learn from you. Simpler stuff.
Pull threads to follow the fabric. That is what has been wrong with every cotton slip I ever bought that hung badly. My great great grandmother knew that, but no one ever showed me.
Immanentize
@zhena gogolia: That is fast! Landfall tomorrow in Texas?
ETA. Damn! I looked at SpaceCity weather — Laura is nearing category 5!!
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: I will drive there and cut you.
Chris Johnson
@Kay: Exactly. They call it ‘the storm is coming’. They intend to have thousands, hundreds of thousands of trained, fearless armed murderers inured to the slaughter of liberals.
They got one seventeen-year-old boy wearing rubber gloves.
There are many others being groomed: I knew some of them, remember I cut ties with my IRL gamer friends when they turned out to be heavily, heavily pilled. What the alt-right has to do to them in order to get them that murderous is a dangerous game. Some of these people will kill themselves in despair because they are looking out on what they think is a hell world. They really struggle. They believe they are horribly outmatched by the forces of evil.
They got it backwards: THEY are the forces of evil. Most of what they dread is actually happening on their own side. But they’re right that they’re outmatched, and the more they escalate the more intense the backlash becomes. It’s all we can do, really. They have been turned into actual monsters, but you have to torture people into being monsters and it’s a debilitating process. The folks I knew were getting so they couldn’t sleep or function. That’s usually when they flip out, is when they are on the verge of breaking down completely.
Real armies are better cared for.
We are better at caring for our people. Keep it up.
A Ghost to Most
@PsiFighter37: Where you gonna go? Americans are unwelcome pariahs now. There’s nothing for it, except make a stand here. Jeesh.
Immanentize
@Omnes Omnibus: do so. You will be cooler.
Kay
@Immanentize:
“Against”. Please. They lied! MOST of it is pre-taped. The objections were fake. Shit they were taping the segments AS they were lying about objecting to taped segments!
Immanentize
Here is a sobering thought re Laura:
Luckily? It’s not straight into a major population zone
Butter Emails
@PsiFighter37:
Where you going to go? Other nations are closed to us.
Ohio Mom
I also fight that panic multiple times a day. I remind myself that the noise in my head just noise, because I think something does not mean it will come true.
But I put on a chipper face because Ohio Dad is on the verge of losing it over the thought of Trump winning.
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: I’ve got client meetings.
Kay
@Chris Johnson:
Because Dear Leader and his shitty family are at 17% with the youths. I don’t know if that’s a record low but it’s gotta be close.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: That was so last week…
Sebastian
@Chris Johnson:
Dude, chill, they have nothing. If by any crazy chance Trump cheats out a win the wingers will get exactly what they got the last time: Sherman burning it all down.
Immanentize
@Kay: of course. It’s what they do best. Lie while the evidence to the contrary is before them. I flipped the bird at the radio! tonight when ‘Ronna (Romney) McDaniel was just lie lie lying — about why former prominent Republicans (Bush, her uncle, HW Bush, McCain) were not included or celebrated. “The Corona virus, you know, Kept the RNC from including them….”
I hate flipping off my speakers.
Sab
@Kattails: Don’t want to give away my age, but when I go to fabric stores and the only patterns that seem attractive are vintage, Yikes. My favorite, late lamented dog ate my favorite dress pattern fifteen years ago when she was very young.
My sister is an art historian. She has no interest in fashion. I think she is missing wonders of art combined with engineering.
PsiFighter37
@Butter Emails: Where there’s a will, there’s a way. I have a 1 year-old who is not going to grow up in a fascist country.
Scuffletuffle
@Sab: I need her address…I will die with ALL my fabric uncut!
Immanentize
@Omnes Omnibus: Zoom is your friend? Seriously, come up if you like. I’ve got a big mostly empty home. No chance of contagion (at least by me and my cat).
Matt McIrvin
Poll-wise, we’re actually doing better right now than we have in any presidential election since, I’d say, 1996. But we’re still scared out of our minds because the polls weren’t that indicative of the final EC result last time, and because the President is a cheating tyrant with no respect for democracy, and he’s causing his entire party to decompensate.
MC
I mean, Trump is running the most toxic reelection campaign in US history. So we have that going for us.
chopper
@Suzanne:
yeah 2020 can eat my whole ass.
Fair Economist
@Immanentize:
I’m with you. Great quote, too.
Immanentize
Ok. Seriously this time. Good night, sleep tight. And pleasant dreams to all Jackals, near and far.
kindness
It would take Putin’s hackers getting a whole lot better to whack that many state’s vote totals for Trump to come out winning. There is no way.
Of course I said the same thing about Hillary 4 years ago.
Kay
@Chris Johnson:
My oldest lives in Denmark and we email constantly. He was politically interested when he lived here, a liberal in a conservative high school – his first political heartbreak was Al Gore. He tries to get me to explain what’s going on and I really can’t. He hears the Danish view- they think we’re falling apart, it’s real alarm and concern- but he wants to hear what it’s like. I can’t really explain it to his satisfaction, I can tell, because he returns to the question again and again. “Are people UPSET?” Well, YEAH, but they maintain. We all go on like it’s normal. Because what else can you do?
Kattails
@Sab: There is the issue of anti-“fast fashion”, not buying cheap crap that falls apart and is made by slave labor from fabric derived from petrochemicals. There is the delight in doing quiet hand work while listening to books on tape. I have an antique Singer treadle machine and it makes the loveliest soft ticka-ticka, does not go so fast that I can’t control the line, and makes an even, small stitch that will hold until the fabric falls apart. She needs a new belt & some work on the oak veneer of the case.
IF you do get around to the crewel work on your harp cover you are welcome to borrow (open ended) the book “English Crewel Designs” I got as a hand-me-down from a friend’s mother’s estate. 1974. Tons of photos with gridded line drawings.
Martin
@Chris Johnson: Yeah. I think they’ll ramp up yet. They fully understand the benefits of moving late, before courts and the like can respond, so I think it’ll intensify going into Nov.
The risk is that if we lose, the GOP has no choice but to go all-in. Just look at the trajectory of the police violence situation. We’ve gotten some shift in policy attitude among voters, a few local successes, but a growing base of support for ‘that guy was out after curfew and deserved to be shot in the head’ and a growing number of politicians either defending that or ‘no commenting’ their way through life.
A course has been charted by Trump, and the GOP is ever less likely to push back. The ones that that were too disgusted just chose to avoid re-election. But as they shrink in size, they have to grow in intensity, and Dems need to meet that challenge. So far we aren’t. We are still awaiting clearly failed institutions to work. They’re not going to.
Maybe the election institution works, we’re not sure. We’re gambling it does. It’s the last link of the chain though. If it fails, there’s nothing left but violence.
I’m concerned that we’re staking a lot on an election we have uncertain control over, and no plan if its compromised.
Scuffletuffle
@WaterGirl: Lol, that’s definitely not me. I buy fancy kitchen stuff for a buddy that actually cooks with them, then I wash the stuff after eating what she cooks. Fabric though…it’s a problem!
Jay
@Chris Johnson:
yurp. The current crop of Domestic Nazis are all gutless cowards. Same as the previous crop.
Skepticat
On September 1, 2019, Hurricane Dorian, a category 6 storm according to Scientific American, obliterated Abaco and Grand Bahama in the Bahamas. My home was a tiny bit of that loss, and Abaco still does not have power. The “official” death toll is 52, but we who live there know it was at the very least 2,520, mostly undocumented Haitians; they’re still finding remains. A few days shy of a year later, Laura may be a category 5 when it makes landfall in one of the most physically and economically vulnerable areas of the country. The U.S. is as ready for this as it was for the pandemic. And Mother Nature continues to be a mother.
Martin
@Matt McIrvin: The polls were, though. Hillary was never at 50%. There was always this uncertain population that could break either way, and they ALL broke for Trump.
This election the uncertain’s should break for Biden. So, I’m pretty confident Biden will win – provided the election isn’t decided by USSC, or the USPS doesn’t throw half of it into a shredder.
Suzanne
@chopper: Oh, the whole fucking ass.
I am also homesick right now. Which is weird, because it’s hot and Rona-y and full of Republicans.
Mousebumples
I don’t know what this means, but… Wow.
EDIT – For the non sports Juicers, these are the 2 LA teams – #1 & 2 seeds in the Western Conference, #2 & 3 overall. (milwaukee bucks are the #1 overall seed)
Kay
@Skepticat:
Those poor people. I don’t know that we’re functioning enough to supply even a Trumpian response. They may deny it happened.
Kattails
@Sab: Well I’m 69 if that helps. But Bernadette is clearly MUCH younger and just drawn to these things, and good for her. Whatever works. Last night I went through my stash of patterns and found vintage Yves St. Laurent from the 70’s, never cut because Jesus the tailoring. But the fantasy…
Suzanne
WAIT. Did Dense just say that Trump is not a talker, but a doer?
Well, okay, I guess words just don’t mean shit anymore.
Matt McIrvin
@kindness: We didn’t have COVID-19 before. And the consent decree that prevented the Republicans from performing many of their favored vote-suppression activities has now expired–it was still in place even in 2016.
So it’s entirely possible that what we have will be so far from a free and fair election that a Democratic win simply isn’t possible, no matter how good the polls get.
Gammyjill
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Me, too. I’m going to be a nervous wreck before this is over.
WaterGirl
@Skepticat: It’s awful and horrific and wrong.
I can’t recall the timing of your trip back here. Are you safe where you are?
WaterGirl
@Martin:
I figure that anyone who is undecided at this point is for Trump but doesn’t want to say so out loud. What makes you think the uncertain’s will break for Biden?
Kay
@Martin:
I’m pretty confident too, honestly, although I sometimes worry people will give up. They’re so stressed. I see it in my office but everyone says it. Even the BUYING is weird and frantic. It’s like they’re constantly preparing for a catastrophe right over the horizon.
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: We humans are interesting creatures.
WaterGirl
So is this thing over? Or is Dense so bad that it’s not even worth discussing?
Jay
TS (the original)
@Patricia Kayden:
What every democrat has been saying for 6 months but the media takes no notice until a republican speaks.
Tdjr
@WaterGirl: Bless you for this! I was starting to wallow in despair. Lol
Kay
@Chris Johnson:
Ha! Look who’s at the convention!
Madison Cawthorne. The guy who inexplicably rose from part time at Chik fil a to a congressional office .
mvr
Mine survived Hitler in very different circumstances in occupied Holland. I was raised to be worried about a repeat here. I’m kind of expecting to die if Trump is reelected. Sometimes I worry.
Kay
@Jay:
With all the bad going on, this is kind of amazing. That’s what keeps you coming back- there’s people like Trump but there’s people like this, too.
Jay
Martin
@WaterGirl: 2016 and 2020 are both change elections. Undecideds tend to break for the challenger in those cases. Everyone had an opinion of Clinton, so undecideds went against her. Today everyone has an opinion of Trump.
Assuming states can keep control of this election, we’re solid.
The latest good poll of Texas is Biden +1. There’s no fucking way a Dem candidate from Delaware that is tied in Texas is going to lose nationally.
Jay
@Kay:
there are more and more people standing up, getting “radicalized”, every day.
WaterGirl
@Martin: I hadn’t thought of it like that.
It would be a lot easier if we knew that the election would be won fair and square.
It’s the lying, cheating, stealing that makes it so difficult
edit: I do still think that there are people for Trump who aren’t willing to admit it out loud, but will still vote for him.
Martin
@WaterGirl: Yep. Dems job is to pass laws and hold people accountable to ensure that we don’t have such concerns in the future.
Yutsano
Well this has me slightly cheered up: Dan Crenshaw of the Patch of Eye might just be in trouble. It could be doubly so if he doesn’t end up helping with hurricane relief.
James E Powell
@Immanentize:
Our experience is that elections are decided by marginal, low information voters who get most or all of their information from the Republican leaning press/media.
These are the voters who, in 2016, believed that Trump was a successful businessman and that Clinton’s emails were a major transgression, though they could not explain why, and that the Clinton Foundation was a trust fund that Bill & Hillary Clinton used to extort money from foreigners.
None of them got smarter since 2016. They still get all their information from the same Republican leaning press/media.
Jay
Martin
Good news, Laura didn’t get any stronger.
Bad news, storm surge expected to be 50% higher than Rita, and Rita wiped out most of this area back in 2005. High tide at 4AM CDT. That’s not going to help.
WaterGirl
@Yutsano: You should suggest a fundraiser for her – write to DougJ or mention it EARLY in one of his threads.
WaterGirl
@Martin: Yep. This is our last stand, I think.
A democracy, if we can keep it.
Martin
Louisiana residents who refused to evacuate have been asked by state officials to write their SS# and next of kin on a piece of paper and put it in their pocket.
WaterGirl
@Martin: Fuck.
I worry for all the people who aren’t leaving because of their pets.
WaterGirl
@Martin:
On a piece of paper? With ink that could run?
They should be handing out markers with indelible ink, and telling them to write it on their arms.
Mary G
@Yutsano: I’ve been trying to keep to Senate donations this cycle, but to get rid of that godawful guy I made an exception and a donation.
RaflW
My brother and his wife live in Houston. They’re at her brother’s place in Atlanta now, waiting it out. They live north of downtown, in an area that rarely floods. But these things bring tornados and lengthy power outages, and with WFH, they can be away.
As it happens they were on their summer driving vacation just a few hours from Atlanta so when the vacation ended Monday, they just drive over and were like “Hi, we’re here, thanks” (of course they called well ahead).
I rode out a hurricane 23 mi NNW of where they now live, when I was in my late teens. The storm itself was fascinating. The pine trees bent so damn far but, at least in our neighborhood, didn’t snap.
Six (or so, can’t recall) days without electricity wasn’t fascinating. At least we had a plumbed natural gas grill in the back yard, so we had hot food twice a day. Shoulda ditched the shitty coil stove after that. Oh well, I don’t think a lot of us suburban folks knew better then.
Jinchi
I don’t think actually having the number is the point.
dww44
@James E Powell: Such a depressing but true analysis. Was at a Friday night gathering a month ago with 4 non family members. One of them is a strong lifelong Republican (who nevertheless still loves Truman and she certainly is old enough to remember his Presidency), one other a moderate Democrat (son of the lifelong Republican) and the other 2 I’d label as weak Republican leaning. 2 of them voted for Trump…… because they believed he was a businessman. It was never said, but it was obvious they all thought Hillary was a corrupt liar. However the very senior strong Republican ( she constantly gets their mailings) has turned on Trump. I’ll hand it to her;that’s much better than many in my family who are still in the Trump camp, and I cannot fathom why. They’ve better sense and better education.
For our side, it really is about getting out the vote and that’s the part that concerns me. And it miffs me off to no end that the namby-pamby media nods and blinks to the GOP still…. even now. They should all be drawn and quartered after the election and pushed back on between now and then.
WaterGirl
@Jinchi: Scare tactic? Last chance to get the hell out, I suggest you take it?
TS (the original)
Didn’t watch any of the RNC. Did anyone mention COVID-19 or Hurricane Laura?
different-church-lady
WaPo not suffering fools:
Martin
@Jinchi: Oh, no it is the point. Too late to evacuate. Nobody really expecting any bodies found in southern LA to be in structures due to the severity of the storm surge.
When they find a body in some bayou, they want a way to identify it.
Leto
@RaflW: I’ve ridden out two major hurricanes. First was Hugo in 1989. I was thirteen. My parents home is surrounded by pine trees, and all during the night you could heard them creaking and popping. The second was Katrina. Rode that out at Keesler AFB, in Jones Hall (where I taught). 18” thick concrete walls make up the building because it was built to withstand nuclear blasts. With Hugo we were without electricity for about three weeks, maybe four? With Katrina, we had power back at the base relatively quickly. The apartment where we lived, we also had power back very quickly because right down the road from our apartment building was a major hospital, a tv station, and the region’s newspaper.
I think I’ve filled my quota for major nature events.
Steeplejack
Switched over to MSNBC after the RNC. God, they have sent Ali Velshi down to Louisiana to be killed by the hurricane! I thought he was safe from that duty. Why not Steve Kornacki?!
Redshift
@WaterGirl:
That makes no sense to me. For all of Trump’s “silent majority” blather, I’m not aware of any evidence of the existence of shy Trump voters, if anything they’re more likely to be vocal than followers of most candidates. (Plus what Martin said.)
Martin
@Steeplejack: He’s over in Texas. He’ll be fine. When we find out who they sent to Port Charles, then we’ll know who NBC is trying to get rid of.
Martin
@Redshift: Yeah, I agree. Part of Trumps projection of power is getting his supporters to be vocal so they appear larger than they are.
So they might be shy around their neighbors, but I don’t think they’d be shy with a pollster.
Redshift
@Suzanne:
Well, Pence does bear a strong resemblance to Humpty Dumpty…
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
Yutsano
@Steeplejack:
The Big Screen couldn’t be a carry on.
Steeplejack
@Martin:
Chuck Todd or Andrea Mitchell? ? But probably too obvious.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
? True.
Redshift
@Steeplejack: Brian Williams? (ohpleaseohplease)
Sister Golden Bear
Sit with this for a moment: “There have only been 12 days in 2020 where police did not kill someone.”
Martin
Laura might not be done growing yet. NOAA just recorded 175MPH sustained. That’s unofficial – plane still making passes. Might be in the update at the top of the hour.
Barbara
@Redshift: “The question is, who is to be master, that is all.”
WaterGirl
@different-church-lady: Love that!
WaterGirl
@Redshift: I hope you are right!
WaterGirl
@Martin: “Wait, don’t forget to take your red shirt!”
Barbara
@Leto: I got married on the day Hurricane Hugo finally blew back east, blessedly holding off until my reception had started winding down, but we had to hurry up and cut the cake as the temperature dropped by 30 degrees in 30 minutes.
Martin
Pressure down to 932. She might be a 5 now. Thankfully not many people live in that corner of the state, but man, that region is starting to become uninhabitable if it keeps getting major hurricanes every decade.
Redshift
Did anyone else see the Biden/Harris ad just before the start of the convention on MSNBC? I can’t find it online, but it was really good. It was brutal which that I was sure it was Lincoln Project or some other outside group until the tagline.
It ran through a litany of Trump’s failures with very slick production, ending with “Enjoy your convention.”
Barbara
@Martin: I have pictures of the destruction wrought by Hurricane Camille imprinted in my brain from when I was a kid. Camille also took a northward path after hitting the Gulf Coast as a Cat 5 hurricane, and it was devastating in every state it hit. It’s peak storm surge was 24 feet. Many more people live along the coast now. I really hope people have chosen safety if it is at all possible.
Leto
@Barbara: oh man! I bet that makes for an interesting wedding story!
Ruckus
@Albatrossity:
Exactly.
However it can be difficult to think like that for a lot of people because djshitforbrains is such a fuckup and he’s got a following. Which is also a massive group of fuckups. But they can vote and racism is a very real thing in this country. I’m with the positive side and yet I still am very concerned because I’m at that point in life where I really have nothing more to lose (again!) than everything.
Martin
@Barbara: Some of the towns wiped out by Rita never rebuilt. This will likely just continue that trend.
Jay
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Lazy is the word, Of course the Republican will sit on their asses like sacks of shit and complain about why haven’t the Dems fixed it. But that’s the thing, Trump is also a lazy sack of shit and he won on Republicans doing the hard work for him 2016 and I don’t see them doing it this time. Not the base but the actual party members.
Jay
Jay
Jay
tokyokie
@lamh36:
I guess Pence never saw the Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line about the Dallas legal system railroading a homeless man to Death Row for a cop killing he didn’t commit. Mom must not let him watch anything truthful.
Ian
@Immanentize:
The pre-taped speech is like the teleprompter or the president golfing, its just an excuse to hate liberals. There is no rational basis behind why they think these things are good or bad this week, just what Fox and friends tells them they believe this week.
PaulWartenberg
I know I’m late getting to this thread but:
It’s not that trump might win.
It’s that we KNOW trump is going to cheat his ass off to win, with his polling stuck in the low 40s and with 70 percent of Americans feeling our nation is on the wrong track. There’s no sane way for trump to win. There’s no INSANE way for trump to win. There’s only the corrupt way trump could win.
It’s that we dread yet another cycle of realizing too many of our fellow Americans are death-cultists clinging to a GOP that worships a bloated, corrupt, rapist con artist as their god.
We have to work twice as hard this year to make certain that trump and his cronies can’t cheat their way to a second term.
I know it’s stressful. I’m feeling it too.
But as the police brutality and white extremist violence in the streets are showing us, it is now LITERALLY a matter of life and death for America and what we should stand for.