The Republican National Convention Class of 2016: Where are they now? pic.twitter.com/OYAa9Tm4Nt
— The Recount (@therecount) August 22, 2020
Such wholesome virtual RNC convention content.
Night 1: Fireside Chat with the R0oft0p Kar3ns.
Night 2: Live from Jerusalem, a Protocols ASMR Table Read.
Night 3: Lament Configuration Unboxing Fun with the Jacksonville Cenobite Society.
Night 4: Cult of Cthulhu Boat Parade!
— Zeddy (@Zeddary) August 25, 2020
I’ve heard from two diplomats tonight who both noted that the flags standing as backstop for the RNC are wrinkled and would not pass official government protocol. So random, but I found it interesting.
— Vivian Salama (@vmsalama) August 26, 2020
during the dnc, two uniformed service members appeared in the roll call video for american samoa (iirc) and everyone gasped
tonight it's like the rnc theme is "let's set the hatch act on fire"
— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) August 26, 2020
No, Marines aren't allowed to serve as political props. But it's really easy to see where Trump got the idea. No surprises here. pic.twitter.com/23HfDoOWWe
— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) August 26, 2020
I think they're trying to set a record for number of Hatch Act violations in a four day period.
— Elizabeth Spiers (@espiers) August 26, 2020
unfortunately, there will be no consequences https://t.co/r26XWIjnU2
— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) August 26, 2020
It's less like a series of Hatch Act violations and more like a Hatch Act violation festival.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) August 26, 2020
I get the feeling observant Jews weren’t the target audience here…
Wait. A *lobster fisherman* just praised Trump for moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem?! #traif
— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) August 26, 2020
.@AdamWeinstein had the perfect framework for these vignettes: the message is that your job is to worship Trump unconditionally and hope his beneficent attention falls upon you and saves you from your plight https://t.co/02vqf7oAsJ
— David Sessions (@davidsess) August 26, 2020
Coronavirus tests were not required for Rose Garden attendees tonight, per @jeffzeleny.
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) August 26, 2020
Melania's chief of staff tells @KateBennett_DC that guests seated in the rows near Trump and Pence were tested, but most were not.
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) August 26, 2020
Here’s really all you need to know about Trump and his dead weight on the Republican Party: how many Senators in tough races are speaking at the convention?
— stuart stevens (@stuartpstevens) August 25, 2020
“Trump & the GOP face the strong likelihood they will be further exiled from places that reflect the nation's growing racial/cultural diversity, leaving them even more dependent on the…places that have been least touched by demographic & cultural change” https://t.co/AsA0ix8IjC
— Ronald Brownstein (@RonBrownstein) August 25, 2020
the gop is very diverse and tolerant, they have openly racist conspiracy lunatics, and they also have regular people who aren’t openly racist conspiracy lunatics who are very tolerant of openly racist conspiracy lunatics
— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 26, 2020
Can't wait for him to order a drone strike live on air for the trifecta https://t.co/fLB7qP7SxF
— The Cyberpunk Landsknecht (@cakotz) August 26, 2020
Ken
I agree with Adam Weinstein, in fact the way I’d summarize the first two nights is:
Villago Delenda Est
Every bit the shitshow we anticipated, and the vermin of the Village are desperately ignoring the GOP desperation.
Wipe them out, all of them.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Ken: “The country is in terrible shape.” I’d like to ask the Republican Party, who’s been in charge of the country for the past 3 1/2 years?
Cheryl Rofer
Some of nuclear Twitter was speculating about a demonstration of how to use the nuclear football last night.
Cheryl Rofer
I feel like we need a thread to discuss the Kenosha killings. A white 17-year-old male traveled to Kenosha with his AR-15 specifically to kill people, and apparently he did. The cops gave him bottled water and let him get away. He was arrested in Illinois.
In response, the NBA teams are striking. No games tonight. Not clear when there will be games. Today is the anniversary of when Colin Kapernik first took a knee.
But maybe we can use this thread.
Princess
So I’m not good at reading the impact of these things but it seems like people are taking the NBA and now the MBL teams striking and refusing to play because of Kenosha as a BFD (as Joe Biden would say
ETA: Ooops, posted at the same time as Cheryl. Anyway, I agree. This feels more important and interesting than whatever warmed-over white supremacy and misogyny gets served up tonight at the RNC
cain
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
These people could hold all branches of government, state governments, and local governments and would still blame the Democrats for thinking against them.
Karen S.
The Trump party base wants its own safe space, so the people in it aren’t fussed about being more and more isolated from the rest of us.
piratedan
@Cheryl Rofer: hearing that the Lions have cancelled their practice and the Brewers/Reds game has also been postponed.
thylacine
What Cheryl and Princess said.
germy
cain
@Princess: Sports is like the one thing Americans tend to be aware of. As soon as you take that away as part of protesting – people are going to sit up and take notice.
I think a lot of them are going to fly into a rage. There will be a lot of pressure to start up again.
But this is the one power that I think black athletes have – they’ve tried taking the knee, and now it’s time to take the sport away. The entertainment industry should follow suit.
Anne Laurie
@Cheryl Rofer: Feel free, it’s an open thread…
Me, I think it’s such a developing story, that by the time any of us have written it up properly it’ll be out of date. There will certainly be posts, but waiting until the worst of the smoke clears is a luxury we bloggers have (unlike professional / paid reporters).
ETA: As Adam would see, I’m gonna be away from my keyboard for a couple hours, doing IRL stuff.
Elizabelle
@Cheryl Rofer: We will use this thread.
Appalling situation, from seven shots into Jacob Blake, in front of his children in the car. To a policeman wannabe who took up shooting people before he was shielded by the badge.
Proud of the NBA, but how could they not take notice?
Also, WRT the blogpost title: people in Texas and Louisiana are going to drown tonight.
cain
@Cheryl Rofer:
We should definitely talk about it – I know I feel a lot of anxiety about the relationships between militias and the police and the role this kid played. I’m specifically disturbed that a murderer can walk towards to police after killing two people and go right by them – despite the police facing that direction –
They cannot be ignorant that shots were fired.
WaterGirl
@Cheryl Rofer: I think it deserves its own thread.
cain
@Elizabelle:
I don’t think I’ve seen so many events converging on one night – and of course we have the RNC happening as well.
It’s going to be a shitty week and a lot of people are going to be affected – I hope all will be well.
MomSense
@Cheryl Rofer:
Did you see the statement of the Unitarian Universalist church in Kenosha the night the fires almost took their building? It was so good. ‘…would rather lose 100 buildings than one more life to police violence’. The whole statement was excellent.
Cheryl Rofer
@Anne Laurie: Agree it’s developing. I am seeing a ton of tweets in my timeline, though, and I don’t usually get much about sports.
It’s a big development. I’m not clear on how many teams are not playing. I get the sense that three games were scheduled for tonight, and they’re all called off.
I say good for them. I’ve been sick about Jacob Blake’s shooting, and now this white kid and the “militia” that radicalized him pop up. Apparently they were calling on Facebook for their members to go to Kenosha. The chief of police there said that there was shooting (that terrible passive) and somehow the white kid was involved.
Yes, it’s legally correct for the cops to be circumspect in how they describe these things. But from everything I’ve read, the Kenosha cops have been looking on the “militias” as their allies. That has to stop.
More generally, Black people get shot for having a taillight out on their cars. This kid walked back through the police line without a hand laid on him.
Elizabelle
NY Times has an excellent article up. Two reporters, Marc Stein (formerly of ESPN) and someone with a very interesting background: Sopan Deb is a basketball writer and a contributor to the culture section for The New York Times. Before joining The Times, he covered Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign for CBS News. He is also a New York-city based comedian.
N.B.A. Postpones Playoff Games After Milwaukee Bucks Boycott
N.B.A. players have been speaking out against racism and police brutality, but athletes have wondered whether that would be enough.
Ken
Watching TNT now, which has been showing the NBA playoffs. No game, and the reporters are being up-front about why. The shooting of Jacob Blake is the main trigger, but the longer history and BLM also mentioned. There is a players’ meeting tonight to discuss what’s next.
germy
WaterGirl
This image in the tweet above:
If you had never seen that person before, wouldn’t you think he was some sleazy religious person preaching and fleecing the rubes? Perhaps he is auditioning for the position that was recently vacated by the “I like to watch” guy?
Ken
@germy: Any word on his facebook and twitter histories yet?
scott (the other one)
The amazing thing is that he can’t even use the Marines as props correctly. The way the Putin shot is framed, Putin’s in action, he’s coming towards us, he’s in focus, he looks like he’s in command as they’re opening the door at his behest.
Trump’s photo, on the other hand…he’s out of focus, he’s in the distance, he looks short and overweight and poorly dressed, and he’s just standing there, as though they’re unveiling him, as they have the power, and he’s some disappointing surprise, or perhaps being released from cell because it’s time for his trial.
Villago Delenda Est
@germy: Uncle Dan strikes. Fuck him.
tokyokie
@Elizabelle:
I don’t think the kid is a wannabe cop, he’s a Nazi piece of crap who decided he’d go to another state to take target practice on a bunch of (insert derogative term for Blacks here). And I feel the same way toward Illinois Nazis as Jake Blues did.
WaterGirl
@Cheryl Rofer: Almost makes you wonder if the cops knew in advance, and/or
confinedcondoned what he did. (damn autocorrect)We should ditch “defund the police” and constantly repeat “the police are out of control.”
Baud
@germy:
Doesn’t be know that Democrats are the real racists?
OT. Rittenhouse was the name of the evil org in Timeless.
Elizabelle
More from the NY Times article:
germy
germy
@Ken: Loves the police. Is a white supremacist.
cain
It was reported that he had an association with the local police – like an intern or something like that. Whatever the equivalent in the police hierarchy.
Leto
On top of the dumpster fire of the RNC convention, the shootings in Wisconsin, we also have a really bad hurricane barreling down on Louisiana. Expected 20ft storm surge of flooding, as well as 12 inches of rain over the next 24 hours. 2020 can’t end soon enough.
Martin
@Cheryl Rofer: NBA is in the playoffs, so there aren’t many games anyway. 3 games is all of the games.
NBA going to spend longer in the bubble.
WNBA appear to be considering cancelling their games as well.
germy
Baud
Elizabelle
@cain: Many photographs of him in junior police cadet uniforms.
He was definitely a law enforcement cosplayer.
Baud
@Leto:
Seems unfair to Trump, according to Trump.
cain
WTF advice is this? This country is on the precipice of becoming even more nationalistic and racist – how the hell can you follow your dreams at this point? If not now, when?
Cheryl Rofer
A number of people on Twitter with union backgrounds are pointing out that the NBA teams’ actions are not boycotts. They are a wildcat strike. I see that the Times has chosen the word “boycott.” A boycott is withholding financial support, refusing to buy. Refusing to work is a strike.
cain
@Elizabelle:
Cadet – that was the word I was using for. Yep he was definitely a blue lives humper.
Elizabelle
@Cheryl Rofer: Wildcat!
Good point.
tokyokie
@cain: Great. Because police forces nationwide need more Nazis. I guess my point is that by his traveling from Illinois and shooting unarmed Blacks, he showed that no matter his dreams and aspirations, he’s a Nazi piece of crap.
raven
@cain: Don’t be sweatin Doc.
cain
That’s their recruiting pool.. nobody else apparently wants the job. They are infiltrating the police. Couple that with military equipment they got all the toys they want too.
Cities pay a shit ton of money for the police and any fall out – we definitely need to change how we approach law and order in our cities.
Elizabelle
@cain: Yeah. Doc Rivers made a lot more sense if I’d cut before the line about “he doesn’t support a boycott.” So I felt I had to put that para in, so as not to misrepresent his feelings.
But: black players, black people do not get to follow their dreams, if they are abused or killed by the police and the [lack of] justice system.
This is happening too damn much. Seven shots at an unarmed man.
cain
@raven:
I’m questioning his message not the person.
Cheryl Rofer
Baud
@cain:
Val Demmings and Kamala Harris (not really) were vilified for taking the job.
germy
Gravenstone
@Cheryl Rofer: There’s footage that purports to show Kenosha PD telling someone that they planned to drive the protesters towards them so “you can take care of them”. Cop then said they planned to leave. If that’s actually from last night, that cop and everyone with him should be charged as accessories to murder in the first degree. As a minimum.
raven
@cain: It’s better to see the entire statement.
cain
@Elizabelle:
7 shots to injure/cripple an unarmed black man
8 minutes 46 seconds to kill an unarmed black man
9 ..?
ETA – changed kill to injure/cripple
tokyokie
@cain: That pieces of Nazi crap can aspire to wear a police uniform so they can get their violence on against undesirables is why the police need to be defunded.
bluehill
@cain: I’ve wondered about ties between white supremacist groups and the police. I’m sure it varies by region, but when the head of the NYPD union backs Trump it makes me think that the ties are pretty deep. Trump has his brownshirts only they wear blue.
Martin
@cain: He was a safety cadet. Pretty common program for teens to serve as limited safety officials at public events. Pretty common to see them at HS football games.
He also had a lot of ‘blue lives matter’ postings.
Not a good trend for fascists to see law enforcement as a natural fit.
Cheryl Rofer
And the disinformation flow starts
Elizabelle
@Baud: Excellent statement by Joe Biden.
Protest against police brutality is a right. Burning down and destroying communities is not.
And the impact of shootings on Black parents, on Jacob’s children. In the car. In broad daylight.
tokyokie
@Elizabelle: Not just seven shots at an unarmed man, but seven shots from point-blank range of an unarmed man who wasn’t posing a danger to police and whose vehicle had three children in it.
Elizabelle
@cain: Thank goodness Jacob is still alive. Partially paralyzed, but still alive. To my knowledge.
8:46 is a long damn time.
Elizabelle
@tokyokie: I know. Some police are losing their shit.
Not all of them, but too many.
Martin
@Elizabelle: Doc didn’t want the players to sacrifice themselves – he knows what happened to Kapernick. That the NBA was wise enough to just cancel all of the games was smart and took a lot of pressure off of the players. I suspect Doc is more than happy with the NBAs decision.
Elizabelle
@Cheryl Rofer: And the bots purport to be people of color. Uh huh.
Also: good luck using those season tickets during a pandemic, bots.
dmsilev
As a change of pace from the horrors of the news right now, here’s a nice article from the Washington Post Food section:
For female politicians, talking about cooking can be fraught. Kamala Harris is breaking that mold, too.
(it’s a fairly long article that talks a lot about the evolution of how female politicians present themselves; I’m just quoting the first few paragraphs)
Sebastian
Stupid question:
Is Trump going to comment on Laura. What is his admin doing to protect Texas?
Another Scott
@Cheryl Rofer:
Because, of course he was.
Grr…
(via RepDonBeyer)
Cheers,
Scott.
Elizabelle
@Martin: That’s an excellent point.
Colin Kapernick is a hero, and a professional warning to other athletes. Good on the NBA, being on the right side of this issue.
cain
Thank goodness for small favors. But I think if Americans don’t get their sports – I’m wondering what they will do with that extra time – buy guns? prepare for shit going down? Or maybe take up arts and crafts?
BruceFromOhio
Seems like Tiffany Trump is the only one who got it better.
Seeing that two-bit ratfuck soulless criminal Giuliani made my blood pressure spike. Time for a nice big glass of something alcoholic, and hope I live to see the country survive.
cain
No. He’ll be busy talking about himself – he can’t be focused on something else. He is more important right now.
BruceFromOhio
@Sebastian: No. Nothing.
Thank you for attending my SATSQ presentation.
Gravenstone
@Ken: Facebook page apparently scrubbed. Saw a link to it in a post this morning, then later in the same post mention that it was pulled.
catclub
@Another Scott: Trump will wish him well.
eric
@Elizabelle: When the history of the pandemic is written, the cancellation of the NBA season will stand as the turning point toward taking COVID seriously. Here, again, the NBA, with its powerful players union and agents are leading the way.
catclub
@cain: it is so unfair that God sent a hurricane to interrupt coverage of his convention.
never mind people who might drown in Louisiana.
Martin
@Elizabelle: Protests are the warning to society. We can choose to listen or not.
If Dems win in Nov, they need to deliver big.
gene108
And those places least touched by demographic & cultural change each get two senators, and because overturning the we cannot overturn the 1929 Apportionment Act, we are stuck with 435 House members for ever and ever, and cannot expand it to increase membership in the House that would force more demographically diverse areas to get greater representation that better reflects the country.
EDIT: The demographic demise of the Republican Party is greatly overrated.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@germy: And this is where the two threads intersect. Trump gave these folk permission.
Leto
@bluehill: DHS was warning about this back in 2009. Specifically with white nationalists recruiting military members. Republicans howled outrage over the suggestion and had the report basically squashed. I’ll continue to drag this out of the memory hole any time we talk about this.
Republicans Blasted Obama Administration For Warning About Right-Wing Domestic Terrorism
DHS Crushed This Analyst for Warning About Far-Right Terror
catclub
except we didn’t. seriously would mean realizing that if you want football in the fall, you do total lockdown now (backdated as far as you like) for as long as it takes to kill it. Since football is not about Donald Trump, that never happened.
Leto
@Sebastian: Expect a Sharpie update soon…
Omnes Omnibus
A few observations from my admittedly very white perch in Wisconsin:
1. Kenosha is basically on the WI/IL border, so once the Kenosha cops let the little nazi go slipping back into IL was no big deal.
2. If someone had asked me where in Wisconsin I thought a situation like cops shooting Blake in the back seven times was most likely to happen, I would have said Kenosha or Racine. Milwaukee has its share racist cops but it’s been a majority minority city for a while is learning. The two cities on the lake between the Milwaukee and Chicago suburbs are a different story. Thew haven’t really had to try to deal with their racial problems (read racist ass white people) in the light of day. Well, here it is.
3. The Bucks refusing to play will be a big deal in the state.
4. The Brewers following suit will be a bigger deal.
5. I am proud of both teams.
Chetan Murthy
@Elizabelle:
Many Germans did not personally push Jewish people into ditches, did not personally push them into gas chambers, did not personally push them onto cattle cars for their one-way journeys to camps. Those Germans silently and effortlessly profited from the dispossession and murder of the Jews, and of Slavs, Roma, and so many others who were murdered by the Nazis.
At this point, #NotAllPoPo is weak fuckin’ tea. Every police officer that is decent, needs to stand up and be counted. They can no longer stay silent, on the argument that they have a job, they have family, etc, etc. These are Fascist institutions, and for the general public to believe that they are not Fascist, the non-Fascist members need to be seen, loudly and publicly, to both denounce any sort of Fascism, and to call out in a legally significant way the Fascists in their midst.
Every one of these police forces has “good cops” who look the other way when their “bad apple brethren”
violate somebodyy’s rightsbreak laws with violent impunity. Those “good cops” are anything but. Anything. But.I have a PhD in computer science and have received several postgraduate fellowships and other recognition in my career. I’m supposed to be one of the “model minority” good citizens. I should have no fear of po-po. Riiiiight. Riiiiight.
These fuckers don’t realize that they road theylre headed down is one where every single person like me decamps for safer lands.
And what’s my state doing about this? They need to be actively cleansing their police forces — ALL OF THEM — of fascisti. Because (again) if they don’t, then they’ll lose everything that makes California dynamic. It’ll head elsewhere. To safer shores. People come here to raise their families in safety. It isn’t safety if it depends on how Officer McRacist AngryCock is feeling today.
Sally
One of the things that broke the South African government during apartheid was the exclusion of S A from test rugby and cricket. This might sound unbelievable to you guys, but white S A was heavily invested in, addicted to, both sports. They believed, with some evidence, that they were the best in the world. To be consistently excluded from competition, to see teams they considered to be their inferiors crowned World Champions, year after year, galled them deeply. Sport has a great deal of leverage.
catclub
@gene108: who says the constitution isn’t a suicide pact?
Or as Abe said, Rule or ruin.
eric
@catclub: i dont disagree that we did not take it as seriously as we could have, but we did “shut” things down. The GOP death cult just fought it and undermined it in the redder parts of america.
satby
@Cheryl Rofer: I shared on FB the mail sent by the local militia to the Kenosha police chief about how the militia had put the invitation out to their network and had over 3K RSVPs, so the police should remember that they would be outnumbered. Obvious threat.
Feel free to pull it to here for an update.
mali muso
So my birthday is tomorrow (joy) and Facebook is prompting me to create a fundraiser for people to donate to in lieu of presents. Not that I’m a huge FB fan, but if it can be a tool to donate for a good cause, I may be down with it. NAACP? Black Voters Matter? Anyone have other suggestions for non-profits that would make an impact?
Chyron HR
The Hatch Act only slows things down, laws get in the way
Never been a lady loved as much as Melania Trump!
cain
@Martin:
They do, and they need to change the apparatus of the people who advise them. There will be a LOT of expectations on normalizing this country and that means following the law and jailing people – if they don’t do those things – I think even I will start looking for another party to join up since given a clear mandate and control of the DOJ they couldn’t do it.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@germy:
Hmmm, where have I heard that before.
Martin
@catclub: The NBA did. The NBA has arguably the only functional covid response in the nation.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Something is unfair to Trump according to Trump? I’ll alert the media.
MagdaInBlack
@Martin:
I’m glad you posted that. I had seen it before and was thinking about it today when I was in a conversation about Kenosha.
Planned to come home and look for it, and *poof* there it is.
cain
I think the problem is the police union here. There will be a backlash and it could be quite powerful. Once you’re on the cop track I think it’s hard to find something else or so I’m told. If you have a family and others depending on you – that might be problematic.
Putting pressure of cop unions is where we need to be at. These assholes are the cause of a lot of this. It’s the one union that get succor from the Republican Party.
bluehill
@Leto: I remembered the report, but forgot when it happened. This makes me put my conspiracy hat on and question how much of this is a continuation of plans that have put in place for a while now. I wonder how much knowledge some repubs had and whether this was being directed by the Russians. I also wonder if police killings will escalate as the election nears in order to provoke more civil unrest. I think this part of Trump’s reelection strategy. Depressing.
Omnes Omnibus
@cain: My fear with this is that a lot of people are going to do what they did in 2009 and assume that some of the things that are wrong were also illegal. Not always the case.
gene108
@tokyokie:
Blacks maybe their number one target, but they have no problem shooting protestors, since right-wing media has declared them “terrorists” and “rioters”.
There’s a significant amount of tweets defending Kyle saying it was justified self-defense, because the people protesting police violence are terrorists, who got what they deserved.
We’re such a divided country that we no longer agree that 10.2% unemployment is bad or 178,000 people dying of a virus in six months is bad, and the people siding with Trump are willing to get more violent in response to imposing their will on the rest of us.
cain
@Omnes Omnibus:
I agree – in this case, I think we need to follow the money. Foreign aid is definitely something that is actionable.
The other of course is tightening up rules and closing loop holes. if anything having Trump incompetently doing what he’s doing at least let us know what our weaknesses are.
evodevo
@BruceFromOhio: Speaking of 2016, where is the dick dynasty guy? I figured he’d be out there maskless, campaigning…
Jay
@Elizabelle:
MLK Jr,
0 riots,
0 lootings,
0 Arsons,
they still shot him dead.
When the Hong Kong protestors took over the Parliament Buildings, they spray painted on the wall a message for the Legislature;
”Peaceful Protest does not work!”
”You taught me that.”
Chetan Murthy
@cain:
Oh, it’s the Po-Po Corollary to Murc’s Law: Po-po never have agency! It’s always somebody else’s fault! NO. There have been enough widespread incidents of blatant and violent lawbreaking by po-po, and enough *silence* by their colleagues, that we have ALL the evidence we need, to conclude that NONE OF THEM actually uphold their oaths.
I’m sorry, but you’re being too nice to them. Too fucking nice by half. They all swore OATHS to uphold the laws. And it’s clear they’re not upholding those oaths, when their colleagues break the law in violent and blatant ways.
Or are you saying that when a drug dealer bribes a cop to look the other way, it’s all good hey, they depended on that money, it’s all good. Or when a group of cops runs drugs themselves, again, well, it’s the money, they couldn’t find other work, hey, it’s OK, they’re cops?
This is such bullshit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jay: “Let’s you and them fight!”
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: Why do you keep capitalizing oaths?
Cheryl Rofer
WNBA too
Another Scott
@cain: https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-court-ruled-you-can-be-too-smart-to-be-a-cop/5420630
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
Matt McIrvin
@Chetan Murthy:
That’s what they want. They won’t like the consequences, but it hardly matters because they’ll never connect the dots.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yep, he is pretty brave with other people’s lives. One can almost get the impression that he would like to see all out violent confrontation.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto: And that report was produced by the George W. Bush DOJ.
Miss Bianca
@gene108: Are we sure we can’t actually overturn, repeal, or otherwise amend the 1929 Apportionment Act?
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: Just the once (out of three) but it’s because I think it’s a big deal that these people all swore oaths to uphold the laws, and it’s so crystal-clear that even if they don’t violate the laws themselves, they do violate those oaths routinely when their colleagues violate laws. And once upon a time, oaths like these, were supposed to matter.
Myself, I swore an oath of naturalization, and after it, my entire family handed in our Indian passports, renouncing Indian citizenship. And if called to appear before HUAC, I must and will appear. Because I swore an oath.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Tough if not impossible to get it through the Senate.
Ruckus
@Cheryl Rofer:
I saw the video of Jacob Blake when it was first posted on twitter and watched it several times trying to see why the cop shot him. When Adam posted, his take and mine were the same, WTF?
I saw the video of this dumbass 17 yr old moron and I think you are right, and I to think he went there to hopefully kill someone. I also know that it’s possible for him to get to that point on his own, just not highly likely. And there is the question of him getting the gun. He’s 17, not considered an adult, couldn’t buy the gun on his own, so parents? They must be so proud. All of this he did as a minor, so if his parents are partially or totally responsible for him to have a gun, a car or ride and did nothing to stop him or actually encouraged him, it seems to me they are as guilty as he is.
This is going to get worse, because of course it is. How can it not?
We have what 5 months till a new federal administration? I’m not completely up on constitutional law and all that but what can we do, other than at least vote this disaster of russian interference out and insure that we at least have a possibility to rebuild our country?
Elizabelle
@Another Scott: I remember that one. Even got written up in People magazine.
Le sigh.
Omnes Omnibus
This is where we part company a bit. How can you ask people to report something that may not have been done in their presence?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@cain: The problem with the Police unions is they have a leadership that outlasts the politicians and Police chiefs. If you have a mayor that promises reform he/she only has 4 or 8 years to institute reforms, the Police union just can wait them out. They are a center of unaccountable political power.
banditqueen
@Chetan Murthy: , @Chetan Murthy:
Thank you for these 2 comments–the righteous anger moved me a bit from the despair I feel
mrmoshpotato
You nutters must really want that t-shirt! :)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yup. Congressional hearings first, get the facts out, criminal referrals where appropriate. Fantasies about trump rotting in jail on charges of High Moral Turpitude need to be let go.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus:
We have *hundreds* and *hundreds* of videos of cops breaking the law in violent and flagrant ways, from this summer alone. In those videos, most of them show many, many cops. Either
(a) EVERY ONE of those cops is a law-breaker, in which case, we should fire them all
or (b) most of the cops in those videos are “good cops” who merely looked the other way while their brethren busted heads and sucker-punched innocent civlians.
This is such bullshit. You’re being an apologist — reaching for the MOST innocent explanation, when it’s clear that that explanation doesn’t fit the facts at all.
Leto
@?BillinGlendaleCA: It was, but the black man held office at the time so it was the SCARY KENYAN MUSLIM QUESTIONING REAL ‘MURICANS PATRIOTISM!
debbie
@Elizabelle:
I have to say this to Joe Biden: The cops’ nonchalance after the shooter murdered two protesters and the lack of their rushing to assist the dying is justification enough for burning down a community that is already rotten to the core.
I’m not sticking around to argue this, but this is no time for reasoned, sage advice. Fuck them all.
gwangung
Given that many of these athletes have suffered the SAME oppression at the hands of police as their brothers and sisters in the Black community, anybody talking about spoiled athletes can take a good one in the ass (or crotch; I’m not particularly).
Mike in NC
Trump’s coronation is a celebration of White Supremacy and Police Brutality. But that’s pretty much been the GOP formula for 50 years.
piratedan
@?BillinGlendaleCA: the only legal recourse that has worked in the past is to dissolve the police itself and rebuild something entirely new. Its a scorched earth policy that few civic entities want to employ. In short, these unions have placed themselves as their own brotherhood and exempted themselves from any accountability for their actions. If prosecuted against, we’ve already seen unions threaten to go on strike if that methodology is taken. They are the culmination of using combined employment activism to a point where they declare themselves untouchable and of account to no one but themselves. So while unions exist to protect the rank and file from an employer’s abuses, obviously these folks have taken those labor protections and worked with legislators to make them answerable to no jurisdictional entity other than themselves.
Another Scott
@Chetan Murthy: I think OO is just asking you to slow down. His reference to 2009 was a good one.
We know that it is very difficult to convict cops for misconduct, not least because of the present laws and protections that SCOTUS has put in place. Near-term prosecutions will have to be done within those constraints, not via wholesale purging of police departments (which aren’t in the cards).
To be clear – I think it’s clear to most of us here that far too many US police departments are broken especially when it comes to “serve and protect”.
Cheers,
Scott.
Yutsano
Anyone mention the Lincoln Project twisting the knife into Dense yet?
Morzer
Day Three of the Be Bestial Convention. I can’t wait to wake up and find that Trump is no longer defiling the White House.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Something’s gonna have to give, at some point.
Elizabelle
@ Jay:
Frederick Douglass:
From his 1857 speech, on the 23rd anniversary of emancipation of the enslaved within the British West Indies islands.
Source: Blackpast blog. Whole speech is worth a read. This is probably the most remembered passage, and the phrase “Power concedes nothing without a demand” has been projected upon the Robert E. Lee monument in Richmond, amid the BLM protests. (It’s up until October, at least. Court case proceeding.)
Leto
@Yutsano: That’s good. Hope they’re showing this in all the red states, non-stop.
Chetan Murthy
@banditqueen: And that’s all it is: anger. It won’t do a thing. Because for something to happen, my city and state governments have to decisively act. And in a state where Johannes Mehserle basically walked after murdering Oskar Grant, po-po literally skated after Stephon Clark was murdered, I’m brown enough that I have *no* illusions about what would happen if I met up with the po-po in anything other than *incredibly* propitious circumstances.
I’ve talked with my relatives about moving to another country already. We’re not going to stick around for a white supremacist dictatorship, unless our state shows it’s going to resist, and I mean breaking the back of every Fascist organization in the state, for starters. I don’t see that happening, not by a long shot. But hey, I might be surprised.
If the State of California had any balls, they’d already have signed-up to a compact with enough other states, whereby they all announced that they would recognize no Presidential election that was marred with voting irregularities, and fuck the US Army. Every path out of this that doesn’t rely on Shitlord literally fucking it up, is a path that involves the states breaking all manner of federal laws, being in active insurrection, etc. I’m sure they don’t have the stones for that. And I’m a believer in government, in coming together to solve problems we can’t solve individually. But if my government, if my fellow citizens, are gonna roll over for this, then I’ll be the guy who gets the fuck out.
Elizabelle
@Miss Bianca: I agree. Mitch McConnell is mortal, and his Senate majority is endangered. May the Republicans lose even more states than is forecast.
Things that cannot stand must not stand. The Apportionment Act (and Electoral College!) is propped up by a minority, whom it benefits. Enough.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Another Scott:
I watched the first night of the RNC, and was told that if Joe Biden is elected the police will cease to exist.
Geminid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I can let go of seeing trump rot in prison for High Moral Turpitude. But can’t we see some weekend jail time for Misdemeanor Churlishness?
Leto
@Ruckus:
This response isn’t exactly for us here, but the general “us” need to remember that the incoming administration *dog willing* will need more than 18 months to fucking fix everything. That this is a long term fix. Humans aren’t good with that, but we need multiple election cycles where we control everything to fix all this shit. But we’ll see.
Elizabelle
@Yutsano: Look what Donald Trump grabbed this time.
LOL.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@Leto: 2020 has already ended for 180,000+ people.
Martin
@Cheryl Rofer: The reports I’ve seen on the MLB teams specifically mentioned that they’re on strike. Not the whole players association, just individual teams.
burnspbesq
@Cheryl Rofer:
‘Did those tweets originate in St. Petersburg?
WNBA games all canceled.
Brewers game postponed.
Baud
@Leto: Thank you for that.
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: No, I am saying that there are at least four types of cops. The ones that see illegal behavior and report it; they are to be commended. The ones who perform illegal acts; they should be disciplined and probably, at this point, removed. The ones who witnessed at first hand as illegal acts happened and did nothing; they should be disciplined and, depending on the circumstances, removed. Finally, there are those who did not witness any illegal acts at first hand either because people knew that they would fall into the first group or because it just hadn’t happened yet.
I seldom subscribe to Manichean views on anything, except all Nazi are bad and Republicans have used up my benefit of a doubt. YMMV
Cheryl Rofer
@Ruckus:
I struggle with this every day. The usual political thing of calling our congressional representatives. Participate in campaign events. Get out the vote.
Trump can do a lot of damage in five months. One reason I would like to see another impeachment is that it would distract and occupy him.
Resist. Another thread I didn’t put up today is the politically contaminated advice that just came out of the CDC, to test less. Governor Newsom of California said this afternoon that California will not take this guidance and will work according to the best public health advice.
And, this may not seem like much, but I think it’s important. Be kind to the people around you. We need that more than ever now, and it’s more difficult because of all the stresses. But it’s the only way we will retain our humanity to clean up the mess starting in January.
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus: I agree with your four groups.
I cannot stand the “All Cops are Bad/Bastards” slogan. It’s juvenile.
Another Scott
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I’m hearing a certain Beach Boy’s song in my head now…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZBKFoeDKJo (2:32)
The first step in getting the future we want is imagining it…
Cheers,
Scott.
patrick II
@Cheryl Rofer:
What strikes me, and I may be wrong, but without video the young man may have gotten away with it. After the cops let him walk, would be have been found? And that is true for many of the murders we have seen. In Ferguson there was no video which allowed a sham grand jury to not being indictments, but that is more difficult with video.
I have read that it was pictures of police beating and siccing dogs on protectors in the sixties that offended enough white Americans that allowed the first wave of change and the passage of civil rights laws. It seems more pictures this time from telephone videos may have changed the game once again.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: Category #1 is nearly empty, and we have copious evidence that when a cop stands up, he gets knocked down, imprisoned, shot, or murdered. Category #3 is evidently well-populated, and nothing, literally nothing is being done about it.
Dude, it’s not just about racism. It’s about a Fascist organization, with guns and training, in every town in our country. It should make you angry, it should make you furious, that these fuckers aren’t answerable to civilian authority, and it should be a high priority to fix it. Because they will destroy our democracy, destroy our Republic.
And again: the idea that somehow most cops are in category #4 is laughable. The videos from this summer give that the lie, and in spades.
Omnes Omnibus
@Elizabelle: How many belong in each group is a matter open to debate.
Jay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
@Omnes Omnibus:
People have been peacefully protesting against Police, unequal justice and Institutional Violence for decades. They have gotten bupkis.
Read the room. Anger is the #1 emotion out there.
As the guys who’s car dealership got burned down, pointed out, it’s just property, it’s not a life.
They said that if burning it down results in justice, burn it 20 more times.
This anger is not going away once Joe Biden gets elected. Covid has exposed the rot and inequality in most Western Democracies, and people are not going to put up with performative words and no real actions. They are also not going to wait for change.
Sally
@debbie: I’m with you on this. Time and time again we see black people being shot, choked, just murdered in cold blood and no, absolutely no assistance being called or rendered to save their life. People still alive being left to die, bodies left for hours to rot. The system is certainly broken. Is it beyond repair? I don’t know. It is certainly beyond redemption.
wuzzat
@Omnes Omnibus: The problem is that your first type of cop tends to not survive the system, particularly in areas where police unions are involved. They get tagged as trouble-makers, threatened, pushed out and blacklisted. Or, alternatively, they learn to toe the thin blue line.
Chetan Murthy
@Elizabelle:
Then where are the denunciations [as in: cops turning in those lawbreakers] of all the violent po-po lawbreaking this summer that got so clearly documented on video? There should THOUSANDS of po-po in jail, awaiting trial, based on the crimes we saw committed, if their colleagues were ratting them out.
And yet …. crickets. Nuthin’.
Cheryl Rofer
@patrick II: Cell phones have made an enormous difference in awareness. Now we have to solidify that difference into law and action.
Jay Noble
@Ruckus:
At least the mother is. I saw some of her stuff earlier today before things started getting scrubbed. He’s his mamma’s boy.
Omnes Omnibus
@wuzzat: I am not denying that.
Baud
@Jay:
There’s been violence too. Why isn’t everything better?
cain
Apparently, the news meeting with cops, mayor and DA in Wenosha was a shit show
Elizabelle
@Another Scott: Youtuber comment on your link:
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: Don’t try to push me into defending a maximalist position that I am not taking. I said that the four groups exist. That is all.
CaseyL
@Jay Noble: Scrubbed, eh. Hope someone got screenshots.
Things are breaking all over. I don’t think we’re gonna make it to November, never mind January, in our current configuration.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Obviously Americans are wimps and haven’t been violent enough. //
Baud
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Is there such a thing as enough violence? Isn’t more always more effective at producing results?
Baud
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus:
Omnes, you’re a good guy, but you’re misguded here. The -first- response you had was to take the maximalist position — that cops can’t report offenses by their colleagues that they don’t see. That was your -first- response. Ignoring that it’s clear that are thousands of cops either committing crimes, or ignoring crimes committed on their watch. And since we all want to believe #NotAllPoPo, that would be the latter, not the former, right?
I mean, don’t you see, you can’t have it both ways: It can’t be that all the good cops are out there, upholding the law and reporting their Fascist colleagues, and then we see these videos with hundreds and hundreds of cops, and NOT A ONE of them ever ends up in jail on charges for the on-video law-breaking.
Or maybe you DO believe that every cop on duty during the protests is a law-breaker, bustin-heads, cold-cocking women and children. Because hey, that would be logically consistent at least.
Subsole
@Ken: Misogynistic cop-sniffer, from what I have heard.
Chetan Murthy
@Subsole: Is (uh) IG (or TikTok, or FB) nym was “4doorsmorewhores”. Overdetermined, his being a shooter. Overdetermined.
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: Okay, every Kenosha cop who was anywhere nearby when Jacob Blame was shot in the back bears some degree of responsibility for it. But can you say that a cop who was patrolling on the other side of Kenosha at the time of the shooting is also guilty?
Sab
@cain: What a surprise.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus:
(1) of course, the cop on the other side of town isn’t responsible.
(2) Baked-into this scenario, is the assumption that what happened to Jacob Blake was an outlier. But it’s not, as both the copious footage this summer should conclusively demonstrate, and as decades of Black Americans’ testimony about “Driving while Black”/”etc while Black” should also conclusively demonstrate. There are enough incidents of out-of-control police, enough well-documented incidents across all walks of life, including involving Senators driving nice cars to vlsit their fathers, that at this point, the fact that NONE of them get reported, ought to mean something.
It ought to mean something. Unless, again, you believe that all cops are Fascisti-in-waiting, just waiting for the moment when they can bust heads.
I hope you can see that I’m trying to take the optimistic point-of-view here. And your argument leads to an utterly pessimistic position, that all cops truly ARE evil. Because (again) if they weren’t, then at least SOME of those evil cops would already be behind bars and awaiting trial.
catclub
Of course, every muslim who does not repudiate some muslim terrorist is suspect. But police who repudiate police who murder civilians… are ostracized.
Subsole
@Sebastian:
1. No. We don’t feed the grievance machine, so we don’t exist.
2. Sweet fuck all. Now, we are the cornerstone of the GOP. They cannot win without us. So once the devastation hits, politically-reliable areas maaaaay get disaster relief. Kind of depends how pissy the party of Christian virtues is feeling.
Then again, maybe not. His supporters aren’t gonna abandon him anymore than a junkie will abandon a loaded rig. So why bother helping them? They don’t have enough self respect to demand their due, so they ain’t gonna get it.
The pity is decent folks won’t either.
Jay
@Baud:
the Rodney King riots finally got the City of LA to gut the Ramparts Division and it’s 20 year history of corruption, racism and murder. That was a little bit of progress, which of course, did not last long.
For the most part, Legislators have been slapping bandaids on the rot for the past couple of decades and calling it “progress”, slapping new coats of paint on an almost condemned bridge and calling it “infrastructure”.
A result of the Seattle Zone, was the Seattle City Council unanimously voted to defund the SPD Budget. The Mayor vetoed it.
Baud
@Jay:
So the peaceful protests didn’t produce those results? It was the violence? Why did they stop being violent then?
frosty
@Omnes Omnibus: Thank you for this comment.
Subsole
@Martin: That is entirely contingent on we the people delivering the senate and as many local govs as possible.
Not sure if we can, honestly. I live in a crimson red region, and I am freaking out a bit because all the white folks are frantically excusing themselves into voting for more of this shit. Like, you knew it was gonna happen, but still disheartening…
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: Look, I would hesitate to call the police in my city where the police have a fairly decent reputation because the number of bad cops is high enough that I do not want to take the chance that someone who shows up is an asshole who will start shooting. Because of who I am, they probably wouldn’t start shooting at me. I have no interest in having someone’s blood on my hands because I introduced cops into a situation. In my view, that is an indictment of the entire police force.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: A fair cop. [she’s a witch!]
planetjanet
@Cheryl Rofer: Holy Mother of God, what is happening to us?
Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
as Adam and many others two nights ago pointed out, there was no reason for the shooting.
and in the first reporting of it, the PC justified it and mealy mouthed it.
If there are good Cops and they are even close to being a majority, how did this culture of murder become dominant, with out:
A) the culture being internally outed and destroyed, or
B) all the “Good Cops” quitting and outing the murder culture.
Instead all we hear is crickets an “Blue Lives Matter Most”.
My workplace is safe, because we, the employees keep it safe.
My workplace is inclusive, because we, the employees keep it inclusive.
My workplace is tolerant, because we, the employees keep it tolerant.
If apples had as many cell phone vids out there of them cold bloodily murdering BIPOC, we wouldn’t be taking about one rotten apple, or barrels, the FDA would be banning apples and burning down the orchards.
Subsole
So, insomnia-thought from this morning:
We know Trump has no loyalty. His daughter will be the last under the bus, because he wants to fuck her. But even she will be sold out if it’s her or him.
What if we roll him up airtight, then he agrees to flip on everyone else? Do we let Trump go if it means tearing the entire rotten conservative edifice down for a generation?
I have my opinion, kinda curious what y’all think.
Sab
I live in a city. My husband went to parochial school and has known a lot of city cops since they all were white Catholic kids.
There have always been problems. They are worse now. Big part has been budget cutbacks for the last 30 years.
Local government couldn’t give them anything, so it gave up control to the unions.
Staffing is all on the unions. No concern about who would be best patrolling in difficult neighborhoods at various hours. Instead, which higher ranked cop wants to be where when, and when do they all want to be home. Phuck the neighborhoods that need them.
Training. The police administration used to be in charge of training. Now the union wants to control that. If the police department won’t give them the shootem up training they want then the union might and if it cannot then the FOP will.
Do not give a dime to the Fraternal Order of Police. They are not taking care of police. They are sending them to gun nut school.
Older, very experienced cops have gone their whole careers without firing their weapons because they know what they are doing and can talk to diffuse tension. The younger cops seem to want to shoot.
I want them off the streets.
Martin
People should take a look at NYPD challenge coins. From what I’ve seen most large PDs do this, though perhaps not as extensively given the size of NYPD.
We have page 13:
So, they’re commemorating his successful killing of the victim who had called the police in the first place.
Page 21:
Basically commemorating having a fellow officer kidnapped and institutionalized to shut him up.
Others commemorate their ability to get out of jail, pushing unloyal officers, rack up overtime, and so on.
These represent how they talk to one another. How they see themselves and the role they play. Some are positive, most are not. This is why I don’t think they can be reformed – you don’t commemorate your misdeeds unless you’re proud of them, and want them to become part of the culture.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jay: I know there was no reason for the shooting. I am not defending the Kenosha police chief. I never took any position on the number of good cops. I would guess that the percentage varies from department to department. Don’t try to suggest I said more than I did.
Jay
@Baud:
it’s very hard and very unhealthy to try to remain violent all the time.
in reaction to violent protest from the left and minorities, ( only)
The State tries to out match the violence,
if that doesn’t succeed, ( eg. Portland)
The State tries to outlast the protests,
if that doesn’t work, then some performative offering is made to address the roots of the protests,
the State always counts on being able to outlast.
when Yellowdoggrannie, a Texas Grandmother notices that when a Cop Car has it’s hood up, the Cops are engaged in fuckery, ( blocks the dash cam), attitudes are changing.
Chetan Murthy
[Looking at this from a brutally self-interested point-of-view]
Sometimes I think about what it would take so that I could trust&support the po-po. And really, it would come down to this: if there were a way to *guarantee* that I would never be deprived of my rights as an American. *Guarantee* it. B/c basically, that’s what white people get: Dylann Roof got it. The fucknut Dear in Colorado that shot up the Planned Parenthood got it. This fucker Rittenhouse got it. I want it. If I could have that, maybe, just maybe, the rest of my inclinations — my education, my socio-economic status, the highly-educated milieu of my friends — would all result in my supporting the po-po unconditionally, like white people do.
But sadly, there’s no such guarantee for me. I’m brown, and very visibly so. It is what it is.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Violence sure fixed shit in Iraq and Afghanistan. Amirite?
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
I’m white people. I don’t support the Cops. Never have, never will.
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: From a behavioral POV, the only thing to do is to assume that every cop is a bad one. If you guess wrong, it won’t do you any harm. If you assume anything else, it could cost you your life.
Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
Or Vietnam, but it depends on which side your are on. Violence in Iraq kept Iraq from becoming an American Colony, managed and ruled by Blackwater.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus:
You’re a lawyer, and you were in artillery. So [to paraphrase Roy Bland in Tinker, Tailor] you’re an educated
swinesort of swine. You can see how this is an unsustainable state of affairs as the country becomes more diverse, right? It is *important* for the proper functioning of society, that people can rely on the forces of public safety and order to enforce the law. So that they can go about their lives, generating value for society as a whole. It’s a tax on all of society, when the “forces of order” are just another gang. And especially as people of color play a more-and-more prominent role in our society.This is no way to run a modern industrial society.
Chetan Murthy
@Jay: Violence post-Civil War in the South by the KKK and other white vigilantes was -enormously- effective.
It would be more-accurate to say that violence by out-groups without power, is rarely effective.
Omnes Omnibus
No argument from me. FWIW to the extent that I have been involved in litigation with the police, it has been in criminal defense and in civil rights suits against the police.
Mousebumples
I don’t have much to offer to this conversation, but I am proud of the Milwaukee Bucks for striking/refusing to play today. (and of the Brewers, and other teams for following their lead)
I am proud of the Bucks players for their statement, for their calling the State Legislature to go into session to make changes. The gerrymandering means the GOP leaders are unlikely to listen, but sports owners have more $ and clout than i an dream of. I’ll hope to be pleasantly surprised.
As George Hill (Bucks player) said, “We’re tired of the killings and the injustice.”
I’m not sure how it’ll end, but i hope this will be a step forward.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mousebumples: I wasn’t surprised by what the Bucks did. I was pleased, of course. The Brewers surprised me, and I was proud and glad that they did.
Mousebumples
@Omnes Omnibus: agreed. Giannis and others marched in Milwaukee earlier this year. Basketball has been vocal about this. Baseball tends to be less … Involved in this stuff. Proud of them all.
Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) tweeted at 8:37 PM on Wed, Aug 26, 2020:
(https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1298796842671656961?s=03)
I don’t know what will happen next, but the NBA owners are getting pressure. Here’s hoping.
Hoppie
@cain: Back where I grew up, Yellow Springs, Ohio, in the late sixties and early seventies (with a black police chief) used to advertise for police recruits in the Saturday Review of Literature classified-ads. They already knew, THEY EFFING ALREADY KNEW. I only understood much later.
The Nazis among us must be rooted out everywhere.
brantl
@WaterGirl: He looks about 80%-90% asleep.
WaterGirl
@Subsole: Yes.
dopey-o
Hitler Jugend?
WaterGirl
@brantl: Can you look 80-90% asleep, while at the same time looking 120% drugged up?
J R in WV
When illegal off-contract strikes take place, workers can lose their jobs, lose their pensions, be without work. I don’t see why police should be any different. If you don’t show up for your schedules work, eventually, you are let go.
And then the political district employing those workers need to hire replacement workers for those positions. People who aren’t fascists, racists, willing to kill, cop killers, can be hired to solve crimes and keep peace on the streets, without killing people at random.
WaterGirl
@J R in WV: I’m with you on that.
J R in WV
@Baud:
Facebook is as fascist as anything in 1930s Nazi Germany could have been. Zuckerberg makes sure of that!