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Dig Out Your Pussy Hats, Women Are Marching Again

by WaterGirl|  September 20, 20213:20 pm| 108 Comments

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We Have Agency, Let's Use It

The Women’s March returns to Washington on October 2 to rally in support of reproductive rights.

Marches are being organized in every state two days before the Supreme Court reconvenes for the October term.

The event was announced on September 2, the same day Texas’s new abortion legislation went into effect, banning abortions after six weeks and giving Texans the power to sue abortion providers.

In the dark of night, the Supreme Court voted to uphold the legislation in a 5-4 majority. Texas’s anti-abortion laws are now the most restrictive in the country.

Dig Out Your Pussy Hats, Women Are Marching Again

We don’t say this lightly: we’re at grave risk of losing our reproductive freedoms. All of us need to fight back.

That’s why on October 2, we’re marching in every state.

Pledge to march with us and over 90 organizations to #DefendAbortion: https://t.co/l2M5GOCYb3

— Women’s March (@womensmarch) September 2, 2021

I got this note from Uncle Ebeneezer:

The Women’s March and Planned Parenthood are planning some big actions that weekend.  My local PP is doing a parade/rally and I want to promote it since I know we have several Pasadena peeps at BJ.  Anyways, might be good to have a dedicated thread for actions throughout the country.  ~UncleEb

Is anyone planning to go to the Women’s March in Washington DC on Oct 2?   Or a state march?  Are your communities participating?  Anyone interested in meeting up with other BJ peeps?

If you know anything more about this march, or about activities in your neck of the woods, please let us know in the comments.

Map of events from Scout211.

Oh, and here is your daily Jen Psaki.

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  1. 1.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2021 at 3:27 pm

    Do you mean the same week that the Court will be hearing arguments on an abortion case? Or did I miss some news?

  2. 2.

    Scout211

    September 20, 2021 at 3:27 pm

    And the Mississippi abortion case is now on the docket for December 1st. Ugh.

    Washington (CNN)The Supreme Court will hear a case concerning a Mississippi abortion law on December 1, the court announced on Monday, teeing up one of the most substantial cases of the term in which the justices are being asked to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    The Mississippi case — the most important set of abortion-related oral arguments the court has heard since 1992 — comes as states across the country, emboldened by the conservative majority and the addition of Justice Amy Coney Barrett to the high court, are increasingly passing restrictive abortion-related regulations, hoping to curb the constitutional right first established in 1973 in Roe and reaffirmed in 1992 when the court handed down Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

  3. 3.

    The Thin Black Duke

    September 20, 2021 at 3:28 pm

    Here’s an essay I wrote about poor Gabby Petito. It’s a familiar story because women aren’t safe.

  4. 4.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 3:31 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Are you referring to this?

    Women’s March events scheduled for Saturday 10/2 – the same week that SCOTUS is going to be ruling on a crucial Abortion Rights case.

    I copied that from the website. Is it the case that they are HEARING arguments on a case rather than RULING on a case?  If so, I will happily correct that up top.

  5. 5.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 3:33 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.” ~ Margaret Atwood

  6. 6.

    Scout211

    September 20, 2021 at 3:34 pm

    Here’s the map  for all the local events that have been scheduled so far.  You can even participate virtually.

  7. 7.

    The Thin Black Duke

    September 20, 2021 at 3:36 pm

    @WaterGirl: It’s a man’s world, huh? I don’t think I’ve ever talked to a woman that hasn’t had a negative experience with a man, be it large of small. It’s either an emotional splinter or a stab wound.

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 3:40 pm

    oooh, public shaming of Republicans at around the 27-minute mark of Jen’s briefing.

    (the briefing actually starts at around the 25-minute mark.)

  9. 9.

    lowtechcyclist

    September 20, 2021 at 3:44 pm

    That poster about the librarians marching is still my favorite sign from the women’s marches.

  10. 10.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2021 at 3:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: The MS case isn’t on the docket until December. I think they were trying to say that the Court’s term starts at the beginning of October and that they will be deciding the case during the term.  I would not expect a decision until the end of June.

  11. 11.

    TinRoofRusted

    September 20, 2021 at 3:46 pm

    I will be in DC that day but I will be attending my daughter’s graduation from George Washington University which is also on the Mall but between 7th and 14th. Technically she graduated in May and we were there but the ceremony was virtual.  I paid a heap ton of money to that school so I want POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE. Which we will get kind of sort of. The ceremony is for the classes of 2020 and 2021 so no walking on the stage. But Senator Professor Elizabeth Warren is the commencement speaker. Maybe when the ceremony is over we can join the women’s march.

  12. 12.

    Wag

    September 20, 2021 at 3:47 pm

    Jennifer Rubin knocked it out of the park today with a column detailing why/how she left the GOP.  She’s gone full Cole on the GQP.  I have no doubt that she’ll be there with her pink hat.

  13. 13.

    Scout211

    September 20, 2021 at 3:50 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    See my #2 above. I posted that link because it was announced today and I assumed it was a different one than the one that was mentioned in the front page story.  I agree, October 2nd was likely a reference to the beginning of the term, since the website had that up weeks ago. The actual hearings will start on December 1st, just announced today.

  14. 14.

    The Dangerman

    September 20, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    Hope y’all don’t mind an off topic question.

    Seattle area Juicers, I could use some local information. I was once one of you. 4 long winters I was there but my SoCal blood was too thin. Anyway, after I left, I returned for a short while. Stayed on Anderson Island. Lovely house. Stunning (!!!) Rainier view when it was out.

    So, I’m returning again and a small house on Anderson ain’t gonna do it. Family reunion, so I’ll need a hotel (or a huge vacation rental)…

    …but I was seriously spoiled by the view of Rainier on AI. Any ideas for a hotel with similar view? Doesn’t need to be Seattle (indeed, kinda out of the city would be preferred). From my local knowledge, I was thinking Puyallup as there is a big fair there (so I figure some hotels). Maybe Olympia (for obvious reasons). Maybe one of the Casinos if it has lodging. Paradise would be perfect if I could get enough rooms but I’m guessing that’s a problem.

    All ideas greatly welcomed especially if you have any specific places I should check out.

  15. 15.

    The Thin Black Duke

    September 20, 2021 at 3:53 pm

    @Wag: Whoa. Rubin’s gone full frontal John Cole.

  16. 16.

    UncleEbeneezer

    September 20, 2021 at 3:56 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yup.  And I’m guessing PP/WM also want to capitalize on the energy/outrage while that fucking TX law is still on everyone’s mind.  Either way, these actions (there will probably be more later) are gonna be on Sat 10/2.

  17. 17.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 3:59 pm

    @Scout211: @Omnes Omnibus:

    I just removed that whole sentence up top.  The earlier quote made it clear that Oct 2 is two days before the start of the October term.  I’ll just leave it at that.  thanks.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:00 pm

    @Wag:

    I witnessed one conservative “intellectual” and “respectable” publication after another deny, then rationalize, then defend and then laud a detestable figure who repudiated principles and positions that once animated them.https://t.co/srR0WIT6Kf

    — Jennifer ‘pro-voting’ Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) September 20, 2021

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:02 pm

    @WaterGirl: Jennifer Rubin:

    And I held the deep conviction that character matters in leaders, that public virtue is not an oxymoron and that truth is not relative.

    Given that I actually believed in these things, I watched in horror in 2016 as Republicans embraced a racist bully bent on undermining our democracy and promoting White Christians’ quest for political dominance.

    I witnessed one conservative “intellectual” and “respectable” publication after another deny, then rationalize, then defend and then laud a detestable figure who repudiated principles and positions that once animated them.

  20. 20.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2021 at 4:02 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thank you.

  21. 21.

    Ladyracterinok

    September 20, 2021 at 4:05 pm

    OT—-Two weird things that happened when I the first month after my fall and transportation to the emergency room and then to rehab.

    When I got to the emergency room , I waited and waited for a room. Finally I was informed that there were no beds free and that I would have to sleep on the stretcher in the emergency room cubicle. (All the beds were full not because of covid but because apparently people were in for problems that they had postponed during the height of the first covid crisis.

    I found this very funny and the staff appeared to appreciate that I wasn’t upset.

    But really spending my first night in the hospital on the stretcher in the emergency room cubicle where I was first brought!!!

    The second weird thing was reported to me by my friend and neighbor in the apartment complex where I had been leaving. She told me that just out side my patio someone had been running and had been shot!!!!

    The cops came and closed off the all the access routes into the complex and try to figure out what had happened. The manager was called to see if she could identify the dead man as a resident possible resident of the complex but she could not identify him.

    Up to now apparently nothing has been learned about what led up to this incident.

    My son who had been here after I fell and spent some time setting up legal documents for my stay and documents we should have done before I became 81 had gone back to his home 500 miles from here

    He was glad I no longer lived in the apartment complex and was sure that drugs were involved in the whole mess!

    Many more weird things happen while I was in the hospital and in rehab. I have learned more than I ever wanted to know about how the body works and what kind of therapy is necessary to recover from a fall. Recovery was complicated because I have rheumatoid arthritis.

    So well recovery has been long and at times quite difficult there have been weird and odd events along the way

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:06 pm

    @WaterGirl:  Jennifer Rubin:

    If anything, I now worry that Democrats lack the instinct for the jugular needed to expose the GOP’s seditious conduct, habitual lying and radical obstructionism.

    The Democrats’ naive belief that policies alone can win the day is misplaced when opponents will stop at nothing — not voter suppression, not remorseless disinformation and not race-baiting — to secure power.
    …
    My top priorities remain what they were nearly five years ago: the preservation of our democracy and reaffirmation of objective reality. My comprehension of the threat of white supremacists continues to deepen. And most important, my conviction that women’s political engagement is vital to the survival of our democracy remains undiminished.

  23. 23.

    RedDirtGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:08 pm

    I just signed up for the Brooklyn March. Always happy to meet up with other Jackals. The only thing that might keep me away is if I am in the middle of bringing home my new (as yet to be identified) rescue dog!

  24. 24.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 20, 2021 at 4:09 pm

    @Ladyracterinok:

    Sorry you had to go through all that! That would be awful going outside on your patio just to be reminded somebody was shot and killed just nearby if you had still had lived there

  25. 25.

    germy

    September 20, 2021 at 4:09 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    This headline says it all:

    “710 Indigenous people, mostly girls, were reported missing over the past decade in Wyoming, the same state where Gabby Petito reportedly disappeared”https://t.co/9TWEu0VorN

    — ᏎᎷ ✨ (@justsheavassar) September 20, 2021

  26. 26.

    AM in NC

    September 20, 2021 at 4:11 pm

    I and all of my friends (and my mom, if her chemo treatment will allow it) will be marching in Raleigh to show the tools in our General Assembly that we won’t go down without a serious fight. We went to DC last time, but this time we want the state assholes to feel our wrath.

    I’m a mild-mannered, well off, suburban mom, and I am being moved toward violent civil disobedience by this asshole minority who is determined to rule over the majority of us.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    September 20, 2021 at 4:11 pm

    @germy:

    That’s remarkable given how low WY’s population is.

  28. 28.

    Raoul Paste

    September 20, 2021 at 4:13 pm

    I hope there are masks aplenty at these anticipated public demonstrations

  29. 29.

    rikyrah

    September 20, 2021 at 4:13 pm

    @Scout211:

     

    Good.

    If the muthaphuckas are going to strike down Roe,

    they are going to have to strike it down, and not hide behind more shadow docket bullshyt.

    say it with your chest, muthaphuckas.

    You gonna strike it down – bring it.

  30. 30.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 20, 2021 at 4:16 pm

    @Baud:

    Yeah, given how Wyoming’s population is the same as a mid-size metro area

  31. 31.

    Baud

    September 20, 2021 at 4:17 pm

    @Raoul Paste: I’m sure there will be plenty of pussy masks.

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    @germy: Indigenous women and girls are disposable.  Black girls and women, also.  Hispanic, too, I’m sure.  And prostitutes.  And young girls who are trafficked.

    Disgusting.

    There were some really terrific episodes that dealt with this issue, and with race, on Station 19 last season.

  33. 33.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:19 pm

    @Baud: I’m sure you are right.

    I can’t wait to see all the pussy masks.

  34. 34.

    Baud

    September 20, 2021 at 4:20 pm

    Congressional Democrats on Monday raised the stakes for the pending spending showdown, announcing they would attach a 15-month suspension of the federal debt limit to a stopgap funding bill that lawmakers must pass by the end of September to keep federal agencies open.
    The move could complicate passage of the continuing resolution, as Republicans have been steadfast in their opposition to a debt ceiling hike or suspension and vowed to vote against any legislation that would do so. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said the measure would fund federal agencies through the end of the year and suspend the debt limit through December 2022.

  35. 35.

    UncleEbeneezer

    September 20, 2021 at 4:22 pm

    To all the Pasadena area jackals, as of right now, the plan for Sat 10/2 is that there’s going to be a car parade from the Rose Bowl to City Hall where there will be a rally.  My Indivisible group (and others) will be standing on the “noise making” bridge (probably Los Robles) overlooking the 210 freeway to cheer, hold signs and rouse some rabble, in coordinated attire (yet to be determined) and then walk a couple blocks to City Hall.

    Our plan is to meet there at 10 am.  If any of the details changes I’ll post them here again or in a follow up thread.  So if you have any interest, by all means, come on out and join us.  It should be fun.  And I know a couple of the women who will be speaking at the rally and they are really inspiring and awesome

    You can also sign up to volunteer with PP/WM here.  They are looking for event speakers, people to help with traffic/logistics, photographers, parking etc.

  36. 36.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 20, 2021 at 4:24 pm

    @WaterGirl: I think “they” feel we are all disposable, it’s just different levels of visibility that decides if the disappearance is noticed or not.

    I did not realize I was this cynical, but apparently I am. These last 5 + years have really brought it out in me.

  37. 37.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 20, 2021 at 4:25 pm

    @Baud:

    This debt ceiling limit hostage taking BS has got to stop. The GOP is actively putting the entire world in peril. Perhaps a member of our esteemed media should ask the old fuck about this in those terms. Place the responsibility on them

  38. 38.

    Chief Oshkosh

    September 20, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    @Wag: Yeah, but man oh man, what an indictment of her judgement. If you look at the list of why she voted for every Republican for president since Reagan, and only stopped that nasty habit when Trump was the candidate, you realize that here is a person with ZERO judgment — naive, at best.

    ETA:

    Sentiments that once existed only at the party’s margins — know-nothingism, authoritarianism and white grievance — soon defined the party.

    What the FUCK did she think Reagan was all about???

    ETA II: But I am happy that she’s writing for Democracy now.

  39. 39.

    UncleEbeneezer

    September 20, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    And THANK YOU to WaterGirl for posting/signal boosting all of this.  YOU ROCK!!!

  40. 40.

    rikyrah

    September 20, 2021 at 4:27 pm

    @germy:

    And why, so many Republicans were against the re-authorization of the Violence Against Women Act – because they were going to strenghthen the power of the tribes to go against THOSE WHO ATTACKED the women from tribes that were attacked in those states.

  41. 41.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 20, 2021 at 4:29 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Now Gabby Petito is dead, and Laundrie is either dead or in hiding.

    So it’s

    Laundrie killed Petito, then killed himself, because walking away from a bad relationship is too hard? I will never understand that kind of shit.

    OR

    Some asshole killed them both of them, because Wyoming.  And considering the sheer number of native American women who go missing, the later is quite likely, but no one gave a shit until it was a pretty blonde who turned up dead.  Misogyny, Racism and shere callous indifference all at the same time. Totally fucked up.

  42. 42.

    Almost Retired

    September 20, 2021 at 4:31 pm

    The Los Angeles march is the usual Pershing Square-to- City Hall route at 10:00 a.m.   That makes for some close-packed crowds on relatively narrow (for Los Angeles) streets, and I would prefer walking down a broad boulevard like Wilshire.  But, the organizers says COVID protocols are in place.  The DTLA and Hollywood BLM marches last Summer weren’t the super-spreader events many feared, so outdoors and masked (and vaccinated) is fine with me.

    My employment lawyers’ group habitually makes plans to meet up at a designated location for these marches, and inevitably we mostly never manage to find each other.  This one will be the same.  But I wouldn’t miss it.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:33 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: I don’t think that’s cynical.  I think that’s a fair description.

    Assuming that “they” is not all males.

    White girl goes missing, there’s a manhunt.  Native American, hispanic or black girl goes missing.  Shrug.  They must have run away!

  44. 44.

    rikyrah

    September 20, 2021 at 4:34 pm

    @rikyrah:

    to go against those who ATTACKED the women from tribes in those states.

  45. 45.

    StringOnAStick

    September 20, 2021 at 4:34 pm

    Just signed up for the Women’s March here in Bend, OR on Oct 2.  I remembered packing my pink hat before we moved here, but I have to remember where I last saw it!

  46. 46.

    germy

    September 20, 2021 at 4:35 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Laundrie drove back across country in her van after she disappeared.  He didn’t disappear in Wyoming.

  47. 47.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:37 pm

    @rikyrah: That was confusing, so I took the liberty of editing your original comment.  Hope that’s okay.

  48. 48.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2021 at 4:40 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: I don’t think we are supposed to judge.  We are supposed to welcome the new people. I still say we take their votes and voices it don’t let them near the levers of power until they prove their bonafides.  Also too, there is the fun of converts being more Catholic than the Pope.  I do enjoy lectures from people who have been Dems for six minutes on how I am Democrating the wrong way.

  49. 49.

    RaflW

    September 20, 2021 at 4:40 pm

    The map is great, but I noticed, for example, an event in Saint Louis Park, MN titled “Reproduction Rights of Woman”. Now it could certainly be that the organizer is not a native English speaker, but I’m going to opt for the much more official looking event at Loring Park in Minneapolis. I guess an open-access map may have some of this variability.

    Keep Calm but Make a Ruckus!

  50. 50.

    zhena gogolia

    September 20, 2021 at 4:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah! Hilarious. Tom Nichols specializes in the same thing.

  51. 51.

    germy

    September 20, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    I remember Patrice O’Neal talking about the media and missing women:

    https://youtu.be/kYKJ2z7mecQ?t=51

  52. 52.

    rikyrah

    September 20, 2021 at 4:44 pm

    @WaterGirl:

     

    No problem. thank you.

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2021 at 4:45 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Signed up for Madison, WI.

  54. 54.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 20, 2021 at 4:45 pm

    @WaterGirl: I suppose “they” is the gd patriarchal misogyny that is embedded in our system, regardless of color or gender.  I guess I should call it…. “IT.”  ?

  55. 55.

    sixthdoctor

    September 20, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    Will be in DC with my wife; she picked up on the march the second it was announced and would’ve gone that second if she could.

  56. 56.

    Elizabelle

    September 20, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    Booked my DC area hotel for that weekend.  Thank you for the head’s up, WaterGirl.

  57. 57.

    JCJ

    September 20, 2021 at 4:47 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I see that saying often on this website, but as a man married to a woman with a history of mental illness resulting in three hospitalizations and other episodes where in a decent country she would have been hospitalized (my daughter has PTSD from seeing my wife’s actions) I would say that I fear my wife might kill me when psychotic.

  58. 58.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:54 pm

    @JCJ: That is surely stressful and worrisome for all involved.  I am very sorry that you and your whole family are having to deal with this.  Including your wife.

    As a description of cultural truths in this country, where there is no mental illness involved, I stand by the overwhelming truth of that quote.

  59. 59.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    @Elizabelle: You are welcome!  I hadn’t heard about it until Uncle Eb sent me email, so I thought others might be in the same boat.

  60. 60.

    Ruckus

    September 20, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    @MagdaInBlack:

    Cynical is not a fixed response, unless your response is always 100% cynical. I think being a democrat would likely limit ones percentage of cynical because we see, or at least attempt to see the real world, not some fairy tale or hate filled hot take. Yes we’d like to change the world but we also want to see it (far) more equitable rather than more restrictive. We’d like to see the rather to uber level wealthy pay a better tax rate, which often they pay a lessor rate than people who hold a daily working stiff job. Cynicism is easy though if, like currently, the political opposites are doing everything they can to screw up life ( and liberty and that pursuit thing) by telling us that it can only get worse so why bother. republicans know this and the news organizations owned by wealthy republicans make sure that we only hear that one side. They will lie, steal and cheat to make their false prophet, that golden calf thing, the one that rules.

  61. 61.

    taumaturgo

    September 20, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    Are these the same white, conservative suburban women who since the ’50s have consistently voted Republican, including 2020? Not a lot of room for hope.

  62. 62.

    Ruckus

    September 20, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    That was the sales pitch, not the actual politics. It was often delivered smoothly that it was harder to detect. Now? It’s in your face, come and get me, I’m going to win. That’s not true for everyone or even the majority, it’s just that minds change slowly and they have to be somewhat open in the first place to even be available to change. The last guy made smooth impossible and change almost inevitable, but it will take time. Hopefully we have enough of that.

  63. 63.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 20, 2021 at 5:06 pm

    @germy: I would offer the whole obsession with The Pretty Blonde Girl in Peril leads to a lot of bad stuff in our society. It pretty much tells everyone else they are trash and can expect no mercy when they are in trouble (all those missing Native Americans, for example).  The more aggressive ones lash out in violence in revenge.

  64. 64.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    September 20, 2021 at 5:07 pm

    Because it’s an open thread, and I have not made an off-topic shitpost at BJ in a very long time, I feel OK about leaving this here.

    The other day I was reading this item at the WaPo (that’s a gift article link! You can get past the paywall with it!) and was moved to comment on this passage:

    Among those at the rally was Eugene Sibick, a 63-year-old from Buffalo whose son is among the more prominent criminal defendants in the Jan. 6 riot. Thomas Sibick, also of New York, allegedly ripped the badge and stole the radio from D.C. police officer Michael Fanone, who was beaten and Tasered by pro-Trump rioters while attempting to defend the Capitol. Sibick later buried Fanone’s badge in his backyard, prosecutors said. He has was arrested in March on various charges stemming from the incident and is now awaiting trial at the D.C. jail.

    Eugene Sibick said his son’s ongoing detention was “a disgrace to this country.” He said he speaks to Thomas on the phone almost every day and is distressed by his son’s description of the food given to him, such as bologna and slices of bread with tartar sauce, but no fish.

    In what I thought was a tongue-in-cheek bit of irony, I posted the comment

    I agree with Eugene Sibick that the way his son is being treated is a disgrace and that he should be being fed better while he is in jail. The way prisoners get treated in America is truly a shame before the world.

    Brethren, I got ratioed. Nine replies (nothing I post there ever gets more than 1-2) and zero likes. You can go look at the comments if you like, but the bloodthirsty vindicativeness of the median response was disheartening.
    If you think prison conditions are too inhumane for a black guy that got falsely accused of being a rapist, you should think that they’re too inhumane for somebody truthfully accused of insurrection. In my humble opinion.

  65. 65.

    Woodrow/asim

    September 20, 2021 at 5:10 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I don’t think we are supposed to judge. We are supposed to welcome the new people.

    I think politically that holds water. I don’t need Democrats on Capitol Hill to get into rhetorical fistfights over this stuff. Whomever we can pull in to stop this crap, we do that shit.

    And yet. If we don’t make clear to folx like Rubin how deep the rabbit hole of GOP conservatism goes, and its long-standing ties to racist ideology, we risk ending up right back where we started. 20th Century conservatism was playing footsie with White Supremacy at least a decade+ before Thurmond jumped ship, yet that’s an inconvenient truth only historians really talk about. And even that talk is pretty recent.

    Before that? Well, lots of people really wanted The Lost Cause to be true, because that was a nice peaceful belief that kept the Union together. The cost was just keeping Blacks (and many other citizens) as second-class folx, while White Northerners got, er…(checks notes) Yankee jokes?

    Going back to my 1st paragraph — Democrats should know this history, because it informs the fight. But it can’t define the fight, because many, many people aren’t aware of any of this, and would resist it, er it came out like a sledgehammer of racist truths. As much as we all need to learn this, we also need to boil the frog around it, because we’re not conditioned, as a country, to have anything like a healthy talk around racism.

    (Hint: You can bet many of the people abusing the 1619 Project and CRT to stop discussing race in schools, know this background intimately.)

  66. 66.

    debbie

    September 20, 2021 at 5:10 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    No way. The “finance’s” refusal to talk and his parents’ refusal to “mention” their son hadn’t been heard from for a few days? He fucking killed her. If you are looking for “some asshole,” look for him.

  67. 67.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 20, 2021 at 5:15 pm

    @Ruckus: What is it called when you honestly believe in the goodness of people and that they’ll do the right thing, given the opportunity, and yet you’re not the least bit surprised when they instead choose to be assholes, as a group or individually?

  68. 68.

    rikyrah

    September 20, 2021 at 5:15 pm

    ???

     

    Ryan Clarke (@RyanTClarke) tweeted at 0:29 PM on Mon, Sep 20, 2021:
    BREAKING: A staff member at Mabel Rush elementary school in Newberg showed up to work in Blackface on Friday, allegedly saying she was dressed as Rosa Parks and protesting a vaccine mandate for teachers.

    Statement from @NewbergSchools on the latest racist incident: https://t.co/J1HHc2X9wl
    (https://twitter.com/RyanTClarke/status/1440005294914867200?s=03)

  69. 69.

    WhatsMyNym

    September 20, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    @germy:   The headline is BS

    The vast majority, 85%, were kids, while 57% were female.
    The report found 50% of missing Indigenous people are found within one week, while 21% remain missing for 30 days or longer. Only 11% of white people remain missing for that long, according to the report.

  70. 70.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    @Aardvark Cheeselog: Your description doesn’t give me enough information.

    Were you catching flack by the anti-insurrection people for saying that prison conditions suck for everyone?  Thereby showing sympathy for the insurrectionist?

    Or were you catching flack by the insurrection supporters for caring about prisoners besides this white supremacist piece of shit?

  71. 71.

    The Thin Black Duke

    September 20, 2021 at 5:22 pm

    @rikyrah: Dear God.

  72. 72.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    September 20, 2021 at 5:26 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Solid citizens who are of the opinion that bologna (without bread?) and bread & tartar sauce sandwiches are too good for him. He should learn not to crime, and if he can’t he should starve

    ETA: I personally am of the opinion that

    1. There are way too many people in jail
    2. Insurrectionists belong in jail
    3. Just because somebody is in jail, that’s no reason not to feed them real food.
  73. 73.

    taumaturgo

    September 20, 2021 at 5:29 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: Proven right?

  74. 74.

    Betty Cracker

    September 20, 2021 at 5:29 pm

    @rikyrah: This vaccine mandate is an unprecedented and golden opportunity to get rid of so many morons, racists, nutcases and oppositional defiant-disordered crybabies in one fell swoop.

  75. 75.

    The Thin Black Duke

    September 20, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    @debbie: Petito was caught in an abusive relationship. The bad shit usually gets worse at the point where the woman tries to leave. All the red flags the guy is waving around gets ignored. And then the worse thing happens.

  76. 76.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 20, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    @taumaturgo: Old age and experience? ?

  77. 77.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    @debbie: thank you.  I was trying to figure out how to say that.

  78. 78.

    debbie

    September 20, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Good fucking god.

  79. 79.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 20, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: That’s what I said when I saw the video : abusive relationship.

    ( I have some personal familiarity with that type of relationship trap)

  80. 80.

    debbie

    September 20, 2021 at 5:36 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    And then the worse thing happens.

    I don’t think there’s a brighter red light in all the universe. ?

    I heard something about his parents picking up his car from somewhere and still waiting to report him missing. I want them prosecuted right alongside their son.

  81. 81.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: My thought, also, and then i saw a tweet on that page that’s even worse.

    Are the feds actually on horseback, using whips on Haitians who are seeing asylum?  Or is this made-up bullshit?  I seriously can’t tell anymore.

  82. 82.

    debbie

    September 20, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    You can always count on me for some sort of obscene remark.

    This case really infuriates me. How many times does this have to happen before people start acting proactively? And don’t even get me started on the parents.

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    @Aardvark Cheeselog:  I agree on all 3 points:

    1. There are way too many people in jail
    2. Insurrectionists belong in jail
    3. Just because somebody is in jail, that’s no reason not to feed them real food.
  84. 84.

    taumaturgo

    September 20, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: Experience yes, old age, unfortunately, doesn’t bestow wisdom naturally. Look at the demographics that have the highest approval rating for Trump, Gen X w/o a college education, and Baby Boomers.

  85. 85.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Absolutely!

  86. 86.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: What video are we talking about?

  87. 87.

    Another Scott

    September 20, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    @Aardvark Cheeselog: Pretrial detention is not supposed to be punishment because the people have not been convicted and are legally presumed innocent.

    Yeah, everyone should be treated better.  I think a strong case can be made that few if any of the 1/6 people should be held in detention while COVID infection rates are high – the risk of serious illness and even death is too high.  (Ankle monitors, frequent check-ins, no travel, etc., instead.)

    So, I agree with you.

    (It’s one of Popehat’s hobby-horses, too.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  88. 88.

    Suzanne

    September 20, 2021 at 5:41 pm

    I was actually planning to be in DC that day with SuzMom to tour. Maybe we’ll reschedule. Maybe we’ll come. Juicer meetup?!

  89. 89.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    @Another Scott: American society is very pro-punishment.  As general rule, Americans approve of longer sentences for all crimes than the rest of the industrialized world.  We still have the death penalty.  We also seem to support harsher treatment than other countries do.  Prison rape and violence is accepted as inevitable but unfortunate.  For us, it seems that the loss of freedom isn’t enough in itself.  It, IMO, exposes any ugly side of our society.

  90. 90.

    CarolPW

    September 20, 2021 at 6:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: Washington Post photo. Classic rodeo setup: chaps, cutting horse, bullwhip, fancy bridle and saddle girth. The only thing different than a rodeo cowboy cutting out a steer is the look of hatred on the agent’s face. Those “enforcing” immigrant issues in that part of the boarder are evil top to bottom, and they need to be removed.

  91. 91.

    RevRick

    September 20, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    It’s important that men also take a public stand on matters of women’s rights. I wrote a letter to the editor to my local paper which appeared In Thursday’s edition, denouncing the Supreme Court’s sneaky non decision allowing the Texas abortion law to stay.
    This is not just a concern for women. It’s about basic human justice.

  92. 92.

    cain

    September 20, 2021 at 6:04 pm

    I’ll be doing the march here in Portland. For once, it will be a march where I won’t have to deal with the ridiculous anarchists. It’s the one time that these people don’t infilitrate a protest and try to cause trouble.
    One kid tried and some 70 year old women, yelled at him and he took off with his tail between his legs. Dont fuck with these women they will eat you for lunch.

  93. 93.

    phdesmond

    September 20, 2021 at 6:13 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    that’s an interesting venue.  i like your essay.

  94. 94.

    Ken

    September 20, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    Last weekend’s “rally” had, what, 200 reporters — more? — to cover a dozen cosplay enthusiasts. I wonder how many reporters will show up for the Women’s March, and how much airtime it will get?

  95. 95.

    Baud

    September 20, 2021 at 6:19 pm

    @Ken:

    In fairness, the media hoped there would be bloodshed.

  96. 96.

    Roger Moore

    September 20, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: ​
     

    Some asshole killed them both of them, because Wyoming.

    We know it’s not that, because he disappeared from Florida after driving back- in her van- and getting a lawyer to say he wasn’t going to talk to the police. It seems most likely to me that he’s hiding, though suicide after being found out is always a possibility.

  97. 97.

    Scout211

    September 20, 2021 at 6:25 pm

    @debbie:

    And don’t even get me started on the parents.

    That part of what (so far) has been reported in the media about this case is indeed, disturbing.  It’s probably too soon to make any definitive conclusions on their parenting decisions (now and in the young man’s earlier years) but it is all very disturbing.

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    September 20, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    @CarolPW: Fire all of them.  And charge them with something.

  99. 99.

    germy

    September 20, 2021 at 6:34 pm

    @WhatsMyNym:

    710 Indigenous people, mostly girls, were reported missing over the past decade in Wyoming

    “BS! Only 57% were female! And most of them were kids!”

  100. 100.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    September 20, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Yes… and no. They get kicked out of positions of influence and power, which is great. The problem is they are still around, only more bitter, angry, and radicalized with time on their hands. That does worry me.

  101. 101.

    Roger Moore

    September 20, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    @Aardvark Cheeselog:

    If you think prison conditions are too inhumane for a black guy that got falsely accused of being a rapist, you should think that they’re too inhumane for somebody truthfully accused of insurrection. In my humble opinion.

    I absolutely agree.  I also think many of the rioters, certainly the ones who are only charged with misdemeanors, deserve to be let out without bail.  Bail should be the exception, not the rule, and we should do as much as we can to keep people out of jail and at least potentially still contributing to society while they wait for trial.  Bail should be limited to cases where there’s a real reason to wonder if the person will show up for trial, and even then should be avoided if there are other ways of ensuring they show up.  Remand should be limited to cases where there’s a documented reason to believe the person is likely to re-offend.

  102. 102.

    debbie

    September 20, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    @Scout211:

    I can’t help but be reminded of the father of the Stanford swimmer-rapist who based his request for leniency on the fact his son’s behavior was really only “20 minutes of fun.”

  103. 103.

    Gvg

    September 20, 2021 at 7:01 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: but I am afraid of them in positions of power and influence. They are bad apples.

    Maybe we need retraining programs to reprogram some of them, but that photo of the bully’s driving the migrants is over the line for instance. The border patrol is full of shit people. Certain police forces are also totally bead apples.

  104. 104.

    Roger Moore

    September 20, 2021 at 7:02 pm

    @germy: ​

    I think the important point is that a large majority of those missing persons are found pretty quickly. In the actual event, most missing persons are people who leave their family because of some kind of dispute: kids who think their parents are unfair, unhappy (or abused) spouses, and the like. Many of those people turn up pretty quickly or at least let someone know they’re OK, and it’s often clear to the people who report them missing that kind of thing is what’s happening. That’s very different from the Petito case, where she suddenly went incommunicado and her fiance returned home a few days later without her. It looked like foul play from day one.

    ETA: My main connection to this kind of thing was acting as a contact for a friend who was leaving her emotionally abusive husband.  She wanted everyone to know she was safe and someone to know where she was, but she trusted me more than her family not to try to send her back to her husband.

  105. 105.

    Kay

    September 20, 2021 at 7:03 pm

    I’ll go to the Columbus march. I’m bringing my friend Michelle.

  106. 106.

    Shana

    September 20, 2021 at 7:25 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: That struck me too about her recitation of her voting history. Clearly she wasn’t paying enough attention to what the Rs were doing all those years. Probably because their actions didn’t effect HER.

    Like way too many Rs they can’t empathize with anyone else’s positions or circumstances until it effects them personally.

  107. 107.

    Miki

    September 20, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    I’m going to look for whoever can make it as big and powerful as it was in St. Paul on January 21, 2017. Seriously – that day, that happening, was beyond spectacular.

  108. 108.

    Laura Too

    September 20, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    @Miki:  I signed up for Loring Park. Maybe see you there?

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