The good news: the year is ending. The bad news: I’m told there’ll be another.
— Nein. (@NeinQuarterly) December 30, 2023
Don't do any of this #NewYearsEve pic.twitter.com/5vqIW63faB
— US Consumer Product Safety Commission (@USCPSC) December 29, 2023
AP PHOTOS: In Romania, hundreds dance in bear skins for festive ‘dancing bear festival’ https://t.co/61iTKvf1oW
— The Associated Press (@AP) December 30, 2023
On the other hand, a ‘Dancing Bears for the New Year Festival’ sounds kinda fun… [worth clicking for the photos!]
Centuries ago, people in what is now northeastern Romania donned bear skins and danced to fend off evil spirits. That custom is today known as the Dancing Bears Festival, drawing crowds of tourists every December.
Hundreds of people of all ages, clad in bear costumes, dance every year around Christmas to the deafening beat of drums and roam villages and towns. The highlight of this year’s festival falls on Dec. 30, with bear-clad dancers descending on the town of Comanesti, in eastern Romania, for the finale.
Visitors come from as far as Japan to see the spectacle, featuring lines of people in costumes with gaping bear jaws and claws marching and dancing. Giant red pompom decorations are usually added to the furs. Some of the “bears” jokingly growl or pretend to attack the spectators.
Locals say the custom dates back to the pre-Christianity era when people believed that wild animals staved off misfortune or danger. Dancing “bears” visited people’s homes and knocked on their doors to wish them good luck and a Happy New Year.
“The bear runs through our veins, it is the spirit animal for those in our area,” said Costel Dascalu, who started taking part in the festival when he was 8. At the time, Romania was still under communist rule and the festival was relatively low-key.
“I want to keep the tradition alive,” the 46-year-old added. When the holiday season approaches, he joked, “our breath smells like bears, and we get goose bumps when we hear the sound of drums.”…
Evening plans for our house, and I suspect a lot of other Jackal abodes:
We know this feeling well….anyone else? 🤣🤣🥰🥰#NewYearsEve pic.twitter.com/SlWLCyb2bi
— Diane Hart Collie Dog Rescue, Wales (@HartCollie) December 31, 2023
Been listening to some Taylor Swift, because why not, and this seemed appropriate somehow…
Baud
I also resemble that last tweet.
JMG
Not with our pets, but ourselves, and the odds of us making 10 pm Eastern are low. I will make a nice dinner (butterflied leg of lamb with rosemary), and in realization of our ages, champagne before dinner.
zhena gogolia
Happy New Year, everyone!
The only time I saw a bear in the wild, it was in Romania. It was climbing over a fence behind a restaurant.
I was reminded yesterday that Prof. Stephanie Burt of Harvard is teaching a course on Taylor Swift’s lyrics.
arrieve
Happy New Year’s Eve everyone from the Suez Canal. We will exit into the Red Sea later this evening. So far all is uneventful–fingers crossed that it stays that way.
The Greece portion of the cruise was almost worth all the pre-trip agita. I will note, however, that I believe I am the only person on this ship who wears a mask (out of approximately 300 passengers plus crew.)
OzarkHillbilly
Here’s to all the people who will spend NY’s eve at home, in their PJs with their pets. And fast asleep.
Suzanne
We have our puppy this year, and this is her first New Years. Our neighborhood is full of firework assholes, so I will be working on keeping her chill. Might take her to the park this afternoon for some fantastic tennis ball so that she can get he zooms out.
BruceFromOhio
I hope to be asleep in bed at midnight, alas, the neighbors with pyrotechnic inventory may influence that outcome.
HNY, however you celebrate it!
OzarkHillbilly
@zhena gogolia: I have seen a number of bears over the years. When I was working on my Aunt and Uncle’s hunting and fishing camp in Canada there was one bear I could almost set my watch by as it made it’s rounds on Fish Island across from Betty and Tony’s place. Once every 2 weeks at around about 10 AM I could see it ambling along the shore.
My closest encounter was wandering around a campground at night without a flashlight (I’ve always had excellent night vision). I heard somebody getting into the CG trash barrels and was within 10′ feet of them before I realized it was bear scrounging around.
geg6
I will miss midnight because we will be at home with our pets after some Chinese (Amazing Chicken— delicious!) and a bottle of Prosecco. As for Ms. Swift, we are trying to decide whether to stream her concert film or Barbie. I’ve already seen both but my John hasn’t seen either and is curious enough now to agree to either. I’ll be happy to enjoy either a second time.
PAM Dirac
I’ve never been a fan of New Year’s hoopla and I married someone who feels the same way. It came up a while back when I had problems with my Apple account and I had mistyped the backup email address. The typo was obvious, but they couldn’t change it without going through the answer the following questions routine. I was stuck on “where were you when the year 2000 arrived?”. I knew I didn’t go to any parties or anything interesting but listing where i lived didn’t work. I finally said, well, where ever I was I was asleep in bed. Correct answer, account restored.
lowtechcyclist
Good morning, y’all!
Yeah, I don’t think either my wife or I will still be awake at 10pm, let alone midnight. We do have the usual types around here who will set off fireworks, but they aren’t usually close enough or loud enough to wake me up once I’m already asleep.
My last day of work was more than two weeks ago, but I’ve been officially on annual leave since then. But as of midnight tonight, I will officially no longer be a Federal employee.
Jeffg166
I hope to sleep through the noise. Probably won’t. May get up and go sit in the front porch to watch the kids pretend something is happening.
Scout211
We’ve seen many bears over the years in campgrounds here in California. We were camping at Tahoe one year with a group of family members. The campers next to us were already drinking beer and laughing at those of us who were struggling with setting up camp. (Some had never camped before).
The signs were everywhere to lock up and hide your coolers in your vehicles due to the bears but the neighbors were too
tireddrunk to bother to do that. I woke up in the middle of the night and shined my flashlight on two bears feasting on everything in their two coolers, not 10 feet from our tent trailer.When the neighbors finally woke up the next morning their food was gone and debris was scattered all over their campsite.
Karma is real.
Oh, and Happy New Years Eve day jackals!
Nukular Biskits
Good mornin’, y’all!
40 degrees and a little foggy down here.
HinTN
@lowtechcyclist: Enjoy the six months of getting your financials stabilized. 🙄 Also too, congratulations 🎉
Tom Levenson
We’ll be exactly as described, home w. Tikka and Champ. We’re staying in the small coastal town to which we may (probably will) retire in a few years. There will be a some fun in the village between 6 and 8, then back to the cottage, a bottle of champagne, and laying bets on whether we make it to midnight.
This Dec. 31 is the 32nd anniversary of the day (night, really) my wife and I met, at a party in Watertown, MA, neither of us had any real reason to attend. Weird how that stuff works.n ;-)
Baud
Thinking of Amir and Debbie this new years.
Nukular Biskits
@lowtechcyclist:
You retired now?
HinTN
@Baud: 👍🤞
moops
I just can’t enjoy seeing the evidence of so many murdered bears. Cultural, whatever. Those people don’t really believe in evil spirits any more. Perhaps a little superstitious, but nothing like the people centuries ago that literally were certain many bad things that happened to them were because of evil spirits and this was a grave matter that required protection.
Now it is just nostalgia and tourism.
HinTN
That’s a very nice song by Ms Swift.
PAM Dirac
@lowtechcyclist:
Congrats. It’s exactly 5.5 years for me. A great career, but it was time and I’ve never missed it. It was weird some of the things that took a long time to adjust to. After decades of getting up at 5am and going to work it was a very ingrained habit. When our dog decided 4am was the correct time for breakfast I’d be grumpy because it was too late to go back to bed. It took an embarrassingly long time to realize that now I could sleep til whenever I wanted and could even take naps in the middle of the day. I’d say it took me 2-3 years to get rid of all the engrained work habits and attitudes. It’s full retirement mode for me now and I love it.
RepubAnon
JoyceH
When I was stationed in Maine, one of the things to do was to go to the dump to watch the bears. It was a very small town.
NotMax
Happy Hogmanay, y’all!
Because it comes around so frequently in comments, a short history of the pick-up truck.
OzarkHillbilly
@Scout211: My little brother was actually “attacked” by a bear at Philmont Scout Ranch. He woke up in the middle of the night because one was tearing into his backpack (he’d forgotten his toothpaste in a side pocket). He sat up to look out the window and see what was going on. The bear heard the rustling and turned around to look at the tent.
Little Bro said, “Oh shit!” and dove for the door.
The bear said, “Oh BOY! A playmate!” and jumped on the tent, before taking off. Bro had some red welts on his back from the bear’s claws (he has pictures as proof) but not a drop of blood. Super lucky.
The bear, not so much. He was a young male with a history of human contact so they decided better to put him down before somebody got seriously hurt.
TBone
Starting the year with a bang, as usual. Bought a different brand of fiber supplement and got an allergic reaction where my lips chapped, then swelled up and the skin burned off so now I’m on steroids AND the plumber broke through a copper pipe in the basement trying to snake the kitchen sink drain. He replaced the pipe but says our main gray water drain is clogged so best not to use any water till they can get back out to us (within a week, maybe?) with the special roto rooter truck, don’t wanna flood the basement! So, no kitchen sink, dishwasher, or laundry. Thankful that we can use the shower and toilets at least…YAY 2024 steroids and cold cuts and yesterday’s clothes!
prostratedragon
“Rumania, Rumania,” Cantor Pavel Roytman with Maxwell Street Klezmer Band
Lyrics:
MagdaInBlack
@JoyceH: Where my parents had our little cabin in Ontario, going to the dump to see the bears was also a “thing to do.” All the local fishing camps dumped their fish offal there, so you can imagine the attraction to the bears.
OzarkHillbilly
@PAM Dirac:
6 years and I still get up early, but I do take a nap most days.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
We’ll be partying with Quakers, which is not likely to be a wild time. They joke about “Quaker midnight” as often New Year’s Eve gatherings start breaking up about 11.
But we plan to stick it out to the silent worship at the end, and welcome in 2024. Quietly. And with luck, still awake.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
I’m isolating with my significant other for New Year’s, because she caught a breakthrough case of COVID and I’m an asymptomatic positive despite the booster. But on the bright side, we’re together.
peter
@lowtechcyclist: Congratulations! Me, too: last day was December 30th (end of pay period 26, as they say). Remote working since March 2020 has made the transition more gradual than it might have been. Enjoy being a retiree!
Phylllis
@PAM Dirac: Midday naps rock. The Price is Right at 11 am, local news to get the weather, then a snooze. Sometimes 30 minutes or so, sometimes an hour +.
satby
@Baud: 😥
Nukular Biskits
All you retirees talking about how great life is are making me grumpy.
LOL!
Time for another cup of coffee.
Josie
The summer after my first year of teaching, my younger brother and I went on a month long tour of the western states, camping out along the way. We were in Yellowstone Park when it defied reason by snowing on us in our tent. The ground was cold and hard, but I had a choice of sleeping in the tent or the car. The choice was made easy by the sounds of bears scrounging for food outside and trying to open the bear proof trash cans. It stands out as the most miserable night of my life.
ETA: Happy New Year to all. I’ll be going to bed early with my trusty corgi to keep me warm and safe.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Nukular Biskits: A couple of years ago some old colleagues tracked me down and asked me to help with something. I thought sure, great, easy way to pick up a little cash.
I gave them about a week’s work spread over two months and hated every minute.
Just before Christmas this year another colleague reached out with an invitation for full time work. I agreed to a Zoom call which frankly I think will be all they need. Aside from the fact that this guy is a MAGA who I really don’t like, I wouldn’t work for the people I DO like.
Maybe I’ll bill for the Zoom.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: That was my feeling too. Once I resigned from Iowa State, I was done. I liked my job, but I was done.
geg6
@PAM Dirac:
I’m so jealous! I’ve got another 2-3 years before I go and it seems endless.
Geminid
@arrieve: Happy New Year! I hope your passage through the Red Sea is pleasant and uneventful. Maybe you’ll see some dolphins along the way.
Karen S.
It’s snowing in Chicago right now. It looks like some of it will stick. My wife is the more socially outgoing of the two of us so she’s VERY excited about the party we’re going to tonight. My excitement is more subdued. We’ll be out late and I’ll probably be yawning a lot, but I like the party’s hosts so I’ve decided I’m going to enjoy myself. Fortunately, they live where we can take the CTA there and back home.
Happy New Year, everyone!
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: Till the assholes let go with the fireworks!
Baud
@arrieve:
That’s an awesome cruise. The Red Sea is wonderful. When you cross into the Indian Ocean, the ship will take on mercenaries and turn down the lights at night because of pirates!
Dorothy A. Winsor
I’m listening to the Jack podcast with Andy McCabe talking about Trump, and there was just a funny moment. Their guest is Judge Luttig and he said he saw a ridiculously uninformed tweet by Ari Fleischer. The funny thing was Luttig spent some time talking about how he’d never heard of Fleischer but he was supposedly a public figure, and if that was true, the tweet was doubly shocking.
Leto
@lowtechcyclist: as a former Federal employee (both military and GS), welcome to the club! Glad yours was more planned than mine ;)
Regarding New Years festivities: there’s a benefit to owning a deaf dog at this time of year. Definite change from our two previous companions, who would (understandably) tremble with fear.
NotMax
@Nukular Biskits
Gotta link it.
:)
Baud
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
It’s always amazing seeing how siloed people’s information bubble is.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia:
I would happily audit that class.
grumbles
That fireworks video is the equivalent of “Under no circumstances eat any of these delicious desserts.”
Finally back home on my coast, and my family on the other one. Just how I like it.
WaterGirl
@lowtechcyclist: wow, I would have said your last day was just 5 days ago!
Baud
I hope this puts an end to the debate.
ETA: The Biden administration has really caused fact checkers to struggle for things to check. They’ll be voting for Trump.
Nukular Biskits
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Having turned 59 a couple of months ago, I still have a few more years before I can retire and draw full benefits. The problem is that I’m mentally and emotionally ready to retire now – politics, not technical/engineering considerations, are now the predominate driving force in the program I’ve supported for over 36 years. I suppose they always were but it seems far worse now. Or maybe I just have less tolerance for it. Or both.
I think I may have mentioned this previously but I have a very dear friend up in VA who found her soulmate about 10 years ago. They got married and they both retired early (She was a federal employee who qualified under the old retirement program. Something about “years of service” + “age” equaling some special number).
During a late night of lotsa wine and conversation, they both told me they wanted to retire, travel and enjoy life before they started encountering health issues and then couldn’t.
That was a very wise choice. Her husband died this past September of cancer.
I want to be like them.
laura
Spouse and I will hope to make it to East Coast New Year and sleep through the illegal fireworks hullabaloo. Last night we saw X open for Jerry Harrison and Adrian Belew Remain in Light tour. Two drums two saxophones, two bass guitars, two backup singers and three keyboards- it was “A Whole Lot” and I shook my groove thang so hard I’m stiff and sore this morning.
This was a very tough year and I’m ready for a fresh new one.
WaterGirl
@TBone: Betther that this all happened in the year the is being ushered out. All that shit happening at the beginning of a new year might spook a person!
P.S. The allergic reaction sounds frightening!
Gin & Tonic
Speaking of Red Sea, it seems that Houthi militants/pirates in small boats decided to fire at a couple of US Navy helicopters. The results were more one-sided than the Georgia game yesterday.
Another Scott
Nice TS song.
I’m reminded of her Tiny Desk Concert (28:59) where she talks about how she writes her songs, etc. She jokes about her worries about not being able to write anything but sad breakup songs. (roughly) “OMG, what will I do if I ever have a happy, long-lasting, relationship??!!”
It’s fun to see and hear all the young girls singing along with her.
Happy NYE, everyone. Here’s hoping 2024 is much better and that we have a lot to celebrate this time next year.
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
@lowtechcyclist
Also too, Kevin McCarthy.
//
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Baud: I hope Fleischer hears Luttig had never heard of him.
WaterGirl
@Gin & Tonic: Regrets, they had a few. (Just guessing.)
Delk
On Boxing Day 2005 my husband and I decided to take a spur of the moment road trip to Toronto . Pre smartphone and no gps or maps we just set off on the ten hour drive. We get to Toronto, exhausted and bleary eyed with no hotel reservations. We finally spot a Marriott’s and all of a sudden squad cars, ambulances, and motorcycle cops come racing from every direction. We had driven right into a murder scene. Anyway, NYE arrives and we spent the day sightseeing and were back at the hotel by 10 or so. It gets closer to midnight and I see their version of the Times Square Countdown on TV. It looks really familiar, like right across the street. We pull open the drapes and look out the window and there is a massive crowd scene. We went out at around 11:50 stayed the ten minutes and were back in the hotel by 12:10.
A couple days ago I checked and Marriott’s had a room with the same view available so here we are, almost 20 years later, about to relive 10 minutes of craziness.
Happy New Years everybody!
lowtechcyclist
@Nukular Biskits:
Yeppers. Unofficially, for the next 13 hours and ~45 minutes, but officially so after that.
Already it’s starting to sink in that I’ve got time. I’m not going back to work on Tuesday, so I don’t need to prioritize the use of my time nearly so much; there’s time now for all the shit I need to get done sometime. There will always be a certain amount of time-sensitive stuff, but a lot less of that now than there has been. It’s a very different mind-set.
Another Scott
@Baud: Lots of good stuff on Deviant Art gets stolen and presented as real. I remember when, a decade or so ago?, this was presented as a real picture of a solar eclipse from the space station…
(groucho-roll-eyes.gif)
“They don’t want you to know the Truth! But I, some anonymous weirdo who hangs out in a tiny dark corner of the Internet, know the TRUTH!!11ONE!”
Cheers,
Scott.
Gin & Tonic
@WaterGirl: They are sleeping with the fishes. Don’t know if they had time to think about their stupidity on the way down.
Gin & Tonic
@lowtechcyclist: I was surprised at how the available time fills up.
NotMax
@laura
Vintage sentiment never goes out of style.
Phylllis
@Nukular Biskits: That was my and hubby’s thinking regarding traveling and enjoying life. I can relate as well to being done with a job. My workplace really wanted me to stay full-time for one more year, which, if I had, would have eliminated the earnings cap I’m under. I just couldn’t physically or mentally continue with going to work every day.
satby
@Nukular Biskits: Exactly why I’m closing down my online business tonight and the hobby business at the farmers market when the sale of my booth closes in April. Shit to do, people to see, places to go: all while I still can. I know too many people who waited too long.
Another Scott
@Josie: After HS, my best friend and I did a mini-loop of the country – OH, MO (where he had cousins), OK, TX, LA, MS (where HS friends were stuck in Biloxi), GA (step-mom and dad’s place), OH. We ended up arriving in TX? at a KOA to camp after dark, set up the tent, and woke up screaming in pain because we set it up on top of a fire ant mound. OUCH!! We jumped up and slept in the car.
I think I would have preferred bears stomping around outside.
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@Delk: Fun story! (except the murder part)
WaterGirl
@Gin & Tonic: Yes, I considered that as the most likely option, but I figure there were a few seconds of self-awareness before the lights went out.
satby
@Delk: I wondered why you had decided on Toronto, of all places! Nice story.
Another Scott
@lowtechcyclist: Obligatory…
My father joked after he retired that he needed to get a part time job in order to have some free time.
Enjoy!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Barbara
@OzarkHillbilly: My husband’s troop lost their food supply the first night they camped at Philmont because they didn’t place the bear bag high enough or far enough from the other branches of the tree they chose. They had to hike back to the base and get new supplies. Which is why whenever and wherever we camp my husband is incredibly fastidious about how he places the pack of food, no matter whether it is dark or raining or we are exhausted.
We’ve seen bears multiple times in the Shenandoah National Park, and we also saw a whole family at Yellowstone (you know wildlife is nearby when you run into a traffic jam at Yellowstone).
twbrandt
@lowtechcyclist: Congrats on retirement! I’m retiring on Jan. 31, and very much looking forward to it.
Nukular Biskits
@lowtechcyclist:
One of my coworkers, a good friend, retired several years ago. We, along with other former and semi-retired coworkers, get together on occasion, something called the ROMEO Club (Retired Old Men Eating Out).
On one such occasion, I mentioned that the previous week we had to get underway on a ship. He told me how he woke up the morning of that underway, thought about us, smiled that he no longer had to do that, rolled over and went back to sleep.
Asshole. LOL!
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Delk: Great story! When we lived in Detroit, we used to go take our kid to Toronto to see the science center and other tourist stuff. We stayed at a B&B, where the old guy save the funny papers for months for our son. No murders ever happened as far as I know.
frosty
@Nukular Biskits: Oh, retirement isn’t all fun and games … and naps. You know all the stuff you want to do but don’t have time for? Guess what, it’s at the top of the to-do list now!
The curse is that for a retiree, there’s always tomorrow. (Decluttering and throwing stuff out hasn’t happened yet in the last four years)
Nukular Biskits
@frosty:
Nevertheless, throw me in that briar patch!
Barbara
@Delk: What a great story! I liked Toronto a lot when I visited but I haven’t been in a long time. It’s about a 10 hour drive (at least) for us as well, but it’s not in our current plans.
tokyocali (formerly tokyo ex-pat)
Happy New Year from Japan!
For jackals far and wide, may 2024 be eons brighter than 2023!
frosty
@Nukular Biskits: They made the right choice. Our financial advisor told us there are three phases of retirement: Go-go, Slow-go, and No-go. We’re doing the traveling now during Go-go, but I’ve got to get the other stuff done while I can. I don’t want to clear out everything all at once if we find out we have to move to a smaller one-story place.
Good luck hanging in there for a couple more years!
@lowtechcyclist: See above. Fair warning about “tomorrow”!
NotMax
Congruent with my wild and crazy lifestyle, two tasks get performed every New Year.
1) Change the wall calendar (received free annually from an alma mater).
2) Wipe down the plastic ice cube trays with cooking spray so the cubes more easily pop out.
Other than those, schedule is wide open. If can muster the gumption thinking of making an Instant Pot 8-spice feijoada to sup on for the week.
;)
Scout211
We camped at Yellowstone in a tent one summer in July and overnight it rained then hailed then snowed. The park had about 3 inches and took most of the day to melt. It was odd to see the tourists who spent the night in nearby hotels (much lower in elevation) come into the park in shorts and no jackets. They had a tough day. We were told that it has snowed in Yellowstone every single day of the year so it wasn’t seen as unusual at all by the park employees.
The bison roaming in herds through the campground through the snow was more of a concern for us than the bears, though. They are scary and huge.
NotMax
@satby
For the bagels?
;)
MazeDancer
The UK preparing to kill large bully dogs, by law, starting tonight, is so depressing.
Midnight, means if a bully is in rescue, it will be slaughtered. Law says no way out. If the dog is privately owned there are extensive restrictions including a muzzle, and no more play times on the beaches.
Homeless people will have their dogs confiscated, most of them will be killed.
People have been talking pups on rescue runs to Scotland.
Should all bully dogs be spayed/neutered? Absolutely. Should someone’s beloved pup be slaughtered because of its size and breed? Of course, not.
American shelters are full. Between pet food price gouging, insane vet bills, and rental restrictions, pets are not affordable.
Between pets, Ukraine failure, anti-semitism, and Bibi, having trouble finding my usual optimism. Working on change.
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊😊😊
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
rikyrah
This goat was like….you shall not keep me out 😂😂😂
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8CAaarT/
frosty
@Nukular Biskits: As far as traveling, my last three or four years I took a month off without pay in February for the Snowbird trips. Prior to that Ms F put me on a plane and stayed longer than two weeks.
I had to sign a form saying my job might not be there when I got back. My boss said “Don’t worry about it.” Ms F said “That would be great!”
See if you can do the same and start on your post-retirement travels!
Dorothy A. Winsor
@MazeDancer: What counts as a bully dog?
Another Scott
Meanwhile, … TeriKanefield.com:
Lots of wisdom there. Worth a few clicks.
(via https://mastodon.social/explore )
Cheers,
Scott.
TBone
@WaterGirl: thank you for that! I’m currently trying not to bite my hubby who wants to use the bathtub to wash dishes (I bought a washtub that fits kitchen sink DUH) but roids make tolerance an effort. Then, while reading a totally unrelated blog I came across this in the comments (plumber took out copper pipes he ruined and put in PVC):
While PVC has taken the building and construction industry by storm, this material may pose health problems. The abundant use of PVC, especially in heating and cooling applications, has given rise to a new environmental concern called “outgassing.” Over time, PVC releases volatile organic compounds (VOCs) into the air.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) states that VOCs are a potential cause of health problems ranging from eye, nose, and throat irritations to nausea, fatigue, dizziness, and memory impairments, among others. Long-term exposure to low levels of VOCs in water and air are linked to permanent neurological, liver, and kidney damage and may play a role in reproductive disorders.
Even with these risk factors, however, PVC products aren’t regulated by the EPA. In fact, the Center for Biological Diversity recently sued the EPA for its lack of regulation on PVC products in the hopes of categorizing PVC as hazardous waste—a move that our Canadian neighbors made at the beginning of 2021.
How Does PVC Outgassing Happen?
At room temperatures, PVCs are stable, but the chemicals used to manufacture PVC products have a low boiling point. When heated, the release of VOCs into the air increases significantly. This is because the very same method of melting thermoplastic polymers into set shapes leaves the end products equally susceptible to heat.
PVC furnace exhaust ports, hot water plumbing systems, house fires, and sun exposure can deteriorate PVC, leading to the release of VOCs.
WTF 😆 I didn’t need to see that today
Scout211
I had the same question and did a search. Link
I thought it meant “bully” dogs with attacks on record or something. But no, it’s a particular mixed breed of dog and a particular size. ☹️
Other MJS
Also, beware of exploding tricorders.
Jackie
@OzarkHillbilly: I’ll call my daughter at 9 pm PT and leave her a Happy New Year message – which she’ll sleep through in her ET zone lol
Then off to bed myself!😊
TBone
@Delk: thank you for the reminder that chaos can have unpredictable GOOD outcomes! Enjoy!
Brachiator
@Nukular Biskits:
Maybe there are some things you can do to prepare for and maybe accelerate your retirement, or to make sure that things are in place to be comfortable when you do retire.
Don’t have any specifics to offer. But I have had friends and coworkers who were lucky enough to be able to think about what they wanted, including a few who chose early retirement. I guess the main thing was being able to plan to some degree.
Everybody in my company got laid off a few years ago, and I was a few years short of retiring. Fortunately I landed some lucrative part time work and am still working post retirement. Most of my former coworkers were tremendously talented and have done okay. I honestly wasn’t that prepared, but got lucky.
Good luck to you.
Denali5
Thanks to you, I have finally listened to Taylor Swift. Yes, I am out of touch.
Matt McIrvin
I have COVID (was hoping I’d shrugged off my wife’s infection but yesterday I actually tested positive) so I’m staying in. So far, just feels like a cold, much milder than last time.
Another Scott
@TBone: That reads like scaremongering to me.
Everything outgasses – it’s physics and chemistry. What matters is the rate of outgassing.
Metal water piping systems can have issues too.
If you want something to worry about, that actually might be worth worrying about (IMHO), depending on where you live, etc., etc., consider radon:
(Emphasis added.)
Hang in there, and don’t worry about the small stuff. The dangers of PVC are in the very, very small stuff category, IMHO.
Good luck!
Cheers,
Scott.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: No fireworks out here. Country living has some advantages. ;-)
NotMax
@TBone
What is the run of piping replaced? A few feet? Wouldn’t give it a second thought.
Plumbing degradation way down on the list of worries aprres blaze.
(PVC conduit piping is banned in NYC subway stations due to hazardous emissions in case of fire in such an enclosed environment.)
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
I have a cold, but I just tested negative for COVID.
Barbara
@MazeDancer: That is depressing. I got my dog (a little dog) from a couple who ran a sanctuary for dogs most of whom where there because they couldn’t be controlled or socialized at home. They adopted dogs out when they felt like they had trained them well enough, but they had a problem when one of their adoptees attacked and killed the owner. They stopped taking severely afflicted dogs after that. I wish there were enough sanctuary spaces for dogs like this to live out their lives with some measure of peace.
twbrandt
@Nukular Biskits: Is it possible to go part-time? I went to three days per week a couple of years ago and it did wonders for my mental and emotional health.
tokyocali (formerly tokyo ex-pat)
@NotMax: OT. Don’t know if you will see this but have wanted to thank you for the longest time for introducing me to MHz. It was on a thread a long time ago in which you talked about the Montalbano mysteries and recipes. I am on break from school for the holidays and have been bingeing on French, German and Italian mysteries. I now know the German word for dead. I’m sure it will come in useful if I ever travel there!
dr. luba
I don’t know that I’ve ever listened to a Taylor Swift song before on purpose; one day the Alexa at my PT office went on a TS kick for some reason, but otherwise, no. Just like I haven’t watched any Hallmark Xmas movies on purpose; my nieces love them, so I have been exposed. But that song reminds me of the plot of many of them.
NotMax
@Another Scott
Ever wonder how and why the inside of the windshield gets so yucky? Outgassing from the dashboard and interior upholstery material.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: I started having symptoms almost a week ago, which came and went and I was hoping I might be out of the woods despite having an obvious COVID patient in the house, but I didn’t test positive on a fast antigen test until yesterday.
geg6
@Delk:
That’s a beautiful story! Have a happy New Year!
Another Scott
@NotMax: AKA “New Car Smell”.
🤪
Cheers,
Scott.
lowtechcyclist
@HinTN:
Yeah, there’s some complex decisions ahead, and also just figuring out what our income really looks like now. (My wife retired at the end of April.) I’ll start taking Social Security in March when I turn 70, gotta get that last nice bump.
@PAM Dirac:
As I tell people, my job has been really great – on the scale of work. But like you say, there comes a time. It’s already nice to know I won’t have to deal with 200 emails in my in-box on Tuesday morning.
I’ve already frequently been taking short naps during my lunch hour, and afternoon naps on weekends are already a regular thing with me. Which helps balance out my early a.m. insomnia. I don’t wake up early because of the alarm; I’ve usually been awake for at least an hour when it goes off, so that’s not gonna change. But not having to log in to work at 7am will still be very, very sweet.
@peter:
Congrats back atcha, then! And my agency (Census Bureau) has also been entirely remote since March 2020 (they’re finally going back into the office this spring, but I get to miss out on that!), so like you say, the transition to home life has already happened, but now my desk here at home will no longer have all that work crap overwhelming it. I cleared that all off a couple weeks ago, and it’s so pleasant to have my space be my own again.
OzarkHillbilly
@Barbara: Heh. I am going to the Boundary Waters in September. I’m a master at bear barrel placement.
NotMax
@tokyocali (formerly tokyo ex-pat)
Enjoy. So much good stuff. And as the English subtitles are done in-house, a cut above other streamers.
UncleEbeneezer
@geg6: We just streamed Barbie for our fourth(?) viewing. It is a truly amazing film and we are still finding cool stuff that we missed the first three times.
dr. luba
Malanka, i.e. New Years Eve, has always been a wild type of celebration in Romania and parts of Ukraine (Bukovyna). NG and the WaPo had articles on the celebration in 2016 and 2015, respectively. They both wrote about it as Ukrainian tradition, but actually showed the traditions of an ethnic Romanian village, Krasnoilsk.
In Ukraine, we have interesting Malanka traditions, but without bears and more cross-dressing.
National Geographic
Washington Post (gift link)
lowtechcyclist
@Josie:
The last time my wife and I were in Glacier NP, it was August, but one day was cold, rainy, and miserable outside our tiny cabin down by Lake MacDonald. Then a thought occurred to me: if it’s cold and wet down here, maybe it’s snowing up on the mountain! And indeed it was! So we’ve got photos of each other standing in the snow next to the Highline Trail sign at the Continental Divide. In August.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
I’m at the tail end of my cold.
UncleEbeneezer
@Baud: Ugh. Sorry to hear it. I’m on day three of symptoms. Started Paxlovid last night and it definitely helps a bunch. Doesn’t magically make symptoms vanish, but attenuates them significantly making it easier to rest. Hopefully today will be the day I start really feeling improvement. Hang in there.
Barbara
@OzarkHillbilly: We’ve been there twice. Hubby’s cousins go every year and they issue a standing invitation for family to join. They use a complex double pulley system for the bear bag because of course they do, plus they go every year and they aren’t young anymore.
NotMax
@@Baud
Bunny tail or kangaroo tail?
:)
OzarkHillbilly
@Barbara: This trip is my rock climbing son’s idea. I’ll let him do all the work while I supervise. ;-)
UncleEbeneezer
We almost never stay up ’til midnight on NYE. The last time was 2012 and that was only because it was our last chance to see a good friend before she moved to Boston. I’m still in the throws of Covid and my wife will be cat/house-sitting for a friend so I’d be surprised if I even make it to 9 pm, tonight.
NotMax
@OzarkHillbilly
“Go to the left. No, your other left.”
;)
Jackie
Hopping through the Sun morning news shows ie first 10 mins or so and I’m happy to see Nikki Haley front and center on every one! 😂
We’re off to a much happier NY than she is🤭
Kristine
@Baud:
Um…wow
Nukular Biskits
@frosty:
Technically, I probably could do something like that currently with respect to leave. My company changed our leave policy from PTO to FTO (flex time off), which is not an earned benefit like PTO (i.e., “vacation”) but its technically not limited.
Nukular Biskits
@TBone:
I assume you mean the supply lines were replaced, not the drain lines.
Been working with PVC for years (family has been in plumbing and plumbing supply businesses for over 50 years) and, while I was aware of the hazardous emissions when burned, this is the first time I’ve seen this.
Having said that, though, I have to agree with @Another Scott that this really shouldn’t be a concern.
I am puzzled, however, why your plumber didn’t use PEX, which is a lot easier to run and connect. It’s what is being used in most, if not all, the new construction down here.
Kristine
@Karen S.: Snow showers expected here north of the city. Less than 1″ expected. Temp’s around 32F so most of the very light stuff that’s falling is melting immediately.
Happy New Year, Jackals!
mrmoshpotato
No pets, but go Bears! And ready for tomorrow’s bowl games.
Sure Lurkalot
Staying in and celebrating the end of the end of the year holidays.
Even a close friend who’s a glass not only half full but overflowing cheery person and who loves the holidays admitted to me yesterday she’s relieved they’re over. Many people I chatted up shopping the last couple of weeks expressed the wish that the holidays had come and gone. It seems a fairly common sentiment.
Off to the store to buy seafood for cioppino and some other goodies to eat. Happy New Year!
Nukular Biskits
@twbrandt:
I wish I could but I’m the site manager for our group (Yay, me! Not.).
Matt McIrvin
@UncleEbeneezer: I finally saw Barbie the other day, after a glowing recommendation from my daughter–it’s an extremely clever film with a surprising amount to say, and Mattel took a big risk just putting this thing in the hands of a filmmaker of stature and letting her do what she wanted, even if it was directly lampooning them.
All the complicated ambiguity in the messages conveyed by Barbie the toy is examined right there on the screen. And it’s also got the role of Ryan Gosling’s career.
gene108
@TBone:
And sold the copper to a scrap metal dealer, thus making some extra money from the job.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
I also just recently saw it. Agree about Mattel. Took balls.
rikyrah
I would have to kick you out of the house for awhile, if you did this to me. Bring scared out of my mind is not fun😒😒
But, the video is hilarious 🤣
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8CDQaaS/
Oclarkiclarki
@lowtechcyclist: Congrats and good luck with NFC and OPM. It took over 6 months for my first FERS pension check to be deposited, and that likely was due to intervention of the staff of one of my senators.
Kristine
@Baud: I knew about Debbie, but Amir? I knew he’d been ill, but I miss a lot of posts and if there was news, I missed it.
Baud
@Kristine:
He hasn’t been missing as long as Debbie, but it’s been a while. No news on why.
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
No pets, but I am a strong believer..
Wherever you are when the sun goes down on December 31st is where you should be when it rises on January 1st
BlueGuitarist
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
follow up on The Chicks, Goodbye Earl, i think you’ll like Taylor Swift, “No Body, No Crime”
https://youtu.be/IEPomqor2A8?si=nF7Kt9xvHdBvGQqN
rikyrah
@Baud:
🥺🥺🥺🥺
rikyrah
@UncleEbeneezer:
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
rikyrah
@Baud:
Colds are hitting a whallop this year. Get you lots of cold medicine
Miss Bianca
New Year’s Eve tradition for the last umpty-ump number of years has been trying to stay awake long enough to watch the AdAmAn Club’s fireworks display on Pikes Peak (yeah, I can see Pike’s Peak from my upstairs windows!)
This bunch of nutters has been scaling Pike’s Peak in the dead of winter to set off fireworks on NYE for over a hundred years now. I figure the least I can do to honor such effort is to stay up long enough to watch the results!
@Denali5: Me too! Been listening to TS all morning, thanks to everyone’s suggestions from last night!
BlueGuitarist
@Suzanne:
Your mention yesterday of the stadium swaying when you saw Taylor Swift reminded me of the Swiftquake:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/27/entertainment/taylor-swift-seismic-activity/index.html
Also, really glad to see you draw attention to her brilliant song Seven.
UncleEbeneezer
@Matt McIrvin: Agreed. And I can’t think of a better film for boys/men to watch to help understand how Patriarchy ultimately screws us over, too. I knew this before watching, but I never saw a movie really go there in such a pointed way that showed Ken being happy to be free of his own restrictive box. Did you catch the fact that it even did so with direct references to Fight Club?
Tyler Durden (Fight Club)- “You are not your job, you’re not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You’re not the contents of your wallet. You are not your fucking khakis.”
Barbie– “You’re not your girlfriend. You’re not your house. You’re not your mink. You’re not even beach. Maybe all the things you thought made you you, aren’t really you.”
The fact that Fight Club is a film that is misinterpreted and beloved by Incels and other toxic, misogynist dudes in the Manosphere, makes Gerwig’s choice to reference it, all the more perfect. Especially since so many boys/men really do grow up believing that these things (our GF, job, bank account etc.) are what define us. I spent decades believing that bullshit and if I could do it all over, I wish I would’ve learned Gerwig’s lesson twenty years ago, instead of in my 40’s.
Paul in KY
@Nukular Biskits: Best wishes on your coming retirement. Hope you get to do all you wish.
Paul in KY
@lowtechcyclist: Also congrats on you too! Hope same for you! Every day is Saturday…
Hungry Joe
@Baud: Last week I had what I thought was a cold, tested negative … and two days later got slammed by a killer sore throat and fatigue that turned me to mush. Tested positive. Same for Ms. Joe, one day behind me. We’re recovering, but s-l-o-w-l-y.
This will be out lab-mix pup’s first New Years Eve. The rescue folks thought she was born around the first of the year, so we declared her birthday to be Jan. 1. We plan to celebrate by being asleep — all of us — by 11pm. She’s pretty chill ( except when she’s Zoomie-not), so we’ll see about the fireworks.
TBone
@gene108: bingo – I wasn’t so much worried about off-gassing from plumbing as much as the men I’m surrounded by here at home 🤣
realbtl
Happy NY from Montana. Contra OH living in the country doesn’t protect you from fireworks when the whole state is an open market for them. Luckily there’s enough snow that I will sleep through them easily.
Miss Bianca
@Baud: Has anyone heard from JR in WV lately? Seems like he’s been gone a long time too, and I seem to recall his saying that he was dealing with cancer treatments. :(
Baud
@Miss Bianca:
Don’t know. He has a habit of popping in and out.
Paul in KY
@Scout211: That’s what I thought too!
Denali5
Dorothy A. Winsor
@BlueGuitarist: Thanks. I just watched it. I wouldn’t want to be a boyfriend who got crosswise with Taylor Swift. Travis better step carefully.
As it happens, right this minute Mr DAW is watching a bio about Swift called Miss Americana on Netflix.
Jackie
@Baud:
He hasn’t popped in at least a couple of months. I worry about him, too.
Another Scott
Meanwhile, … Ouch is right…
Cheers,
Scott.
sab
@MazeDancer: Yikes! My Ponyo would be done for in England.
FelonyGovt
Morning everyone! Husband and I are thinking it’s not worth it trying to stay up until midnight. (Lots of old folks here on the West Coast celebrate “New York New Year’s” and watch the ball drop at 9 PM- midnight in NY.) Hope to see a bunch of you on the Zoom this evening.
Another Scott
@Jackie: +1
Auld Lang Syne will be poignant tonight.
:-(
Cheers,
Scott.
sab
@NotMax: My late father in law used to bring in a big rock to be in the house all year. Next New Years Eve he would take take the old rock out and bring in a new one.
No one ever knew why he did this.
mrmoshpotato
@Another Scott: Excuse me while I slam my head into this end table.
Kelly
I’ve encountered black bears a couple dozen times various place in the left coast states. Only one scared me. I was camped beside a wilderness lake at about 9,500 feet along the John Muir Trail (Sierra Nevada). Perhaps the best star gazing night of my life. First week of September clear and cold. I walked out on a skinny peninsula to get a better view. I heard a bit of snuffling in the brush then out popped a pair of bear cubs.
WHERE IS THE MOMMA BEAR!!! THERE ARE NO TREES TO CLIMB!! I’M SURROUNDED BY DARK ICE WATER!!
Never saw the mamma bear. Did my usually shouting, coat flapping, and rock throwing. I never throw rocks at bears. I throw rocks to one side to make more noise. Bears ran away.
CaseyL
A very happy NYE to everyone!
I haven’t been in person to the NYE fireworks in a very long time. Some years I’d go to a friend’s house to watch NYE celebrations around the world, time zone by time zone, ending with the Space Needle fireworks broadcast by a local news station. Other years I’d be asleep well before it was midnight here.
Not sure what my plans are for tonight, though going out to a bar or party is definitely not on the list. It’s many years since I realized that being in a crowd of drunken revelers wasn’t fun anymore.
But today, for the first time in years, I feel a very tiny desire to go to the Center to watch the fireworks in person. I doubt I will – like I said, I’m normally asleep well before midnight – but the desire to do so, however faint, feels like a gentle re-awakening of a Social Event Self that has been dormant in me at least since the pandemic and possibly longer. Feels strange but hopeful.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax:
Didn’t you make that last year too?
TBone
@sab: you win.
Scout211
I’m not sure if this has been posted here or not, but a really nice video montage of those we have lost this year from TCM.
TCM Remembers 2023
mrmoshpotato
@Scout211: Really great send off from TCM as usual.
Ksmiami
@prostratedragon: kashkaval is amazing cheese
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: I was thinking about how Mattel spent years and years trying to sue Aqua’s ridiculous, vaguely lewd dance hit “Barbie Girl” out of existence until judges slapped them down, and this movie just straight-up uses a remake of it.
Barbara
@OzarkHillbilly: A little late, but according to the cousins, the first thing is to make sure you get a permit for the desired time frame. We used an outfitter because we are flying from halfway across the country and their gear is a lot better than anything we have. There are a lot of rules about campsites and permitted equipment, but the quiet and isolation are spectacular.
Also, both times we tried to force ourselves to stay up late enough to have a chance of seeing the Northern Lights, and found that it is not possible to stay up that late after a full day of canoeing when daylight endures well beyond 9:30 pm, in Northern Minnesota in the summer. It’s easy peasy to see the Milky Way, however.
Another Scott
@mrmoshpotato:
That works.
But I posted the wrong George linky. I meant to post this one.
Cheers,
Scott.
Paul in KY
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Oh, she’ll write a song about him someday…