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  1. 1.

    lowtechcyclist

    (Bill) Frist!

    ETA: Did Lodge win the 1964 GOP primary as a write-in, or am I misremembering? Wikipedia isn’t clear.

  2. 2.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    I so, so, so desperately want to be able to tell my local colleagues here in Greece that the inevitability of Trump is belied by Biden getting more votes as a write-in candidate than Trump got as an official candidate in the New Hampshire primaries. I’ve already brought out the bon mot that over the last few years, Dems have been doing better at the polls than in the polls, but that number would be a really big tangible argument, if it’s true.

  3. 3.

    lowtechcyclist

    Trump’s won IA and NH with just barely above 50% in each one.  He may not be an incumbent President, thank the Lord, but he’s essentially the incumbent nominee. And all his putative rivals have dropped out, other than Nikki Haley, who isn’t exactly a strong opponent.  And he’s still just barely clearing 50%.  That’s really, really weak.

    ETA: Meanwhile, Biden aced NH without even being on the ballot. True, we don’t know whose names are on those >13,000 write-in ballots, but I’ll bet it’s Biden on almost all of them.

    He’s the best President in my lifetime. We want to keep him around for another term. End of story.

  4. 4.

    Betty Cracker

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: I saw that claim earlier and looked it up; it isn’t true. But that’s no reflection on Biden. Fewer Dems and indies voted in the Dem primary because it’s not really a contest. Biden did outperform his “rival” Dean Phillips by a much larger margin than Trump beat Haley.

    Also, I saw this in a Minn. newspaper article about Dean Phillips lurking outside a NH polling place and accosting voters yesterday:

    When Phillips asked an elderly woman if he could say hello, she snapped back: “You may not. Biden all the way!”

    Ha!

  6. 6.

    Betty Cracker

    I’m off to the grocery this morning for supplies to make a lemon icebox pie and a batch of brownies for my auntie’s birthday party. Bill can’t attend the party, so he’ll see the pie in advance but won’t get a slice. I’m making extra brownies for him though.

  10. 10.

    satby

    @Betty Cracker: I was thinking of making a lemon ice box pie too, now that it’s going up to a sultry 39° today. Even have some fresh lemons. I’ve had a taste for one since I finally found a recipe that looks like the one my grandmother used to make.

  12. 12.

    Betty Cracker

    @satby: Which recipe do you use? Here’s the one I make.

    My grandma made lemon icebox pie, but her recipe was cream cheese-based, didn’t have egg yolks and didn’t require baking. I prefer the eggy one!

    @Joey Maloney: I remember that lady. God love her!

  13. 13.

    p.a.

    As a Dem nothing puts more fear in me than when things are looking up!🤣😯

     

    The video editors at Fox, OAN etc must be asking for raises for the work of making tRump’s demented ramblings look coherent.  I’m hoping for a yertle-type seize-up to see how it’s explained.

  14. 14.

    Matt McIrvin

    From the latest numbers I can find, Biden’s share when all precincts are in has dropped from above 70% to a mere 65% of an election that made no difference where he was not on the ballot. I think that Vermin Supreme-mentum may have made up some of the difference.

  16. 16.

    Matt McIrvin

    @lowtechcyclist: The majority of the write-ins have actually been processed by now. They’re nearly all Biden.

    Trump did get the largest absolute number of votes because only a little over 100,000 people voted in the pretend Democratic primary, but almost 300,000 voted in the actual, binding, contested Republican primary. So if reporters want to plug this as bad news for Biden they could take that angle.

  18. 18.

    Matt McIrvin

    The bad election news from my neighborhood is that the proposal to build a new (very expensive) building for the regional voc-tech high school went down in flames, because all the bougier towns other than mine, where the school actually is, rejected it overwhelmingly.

    The alternative is going to be to spend about 3/4 as much just to bring the existing building up to code as required by law, and I think we get less money from outside to do that so it might actually cost us more, so I guess we’re gonna do that.

  20. 20.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    In 2008, 288,000 people voted in the NH Democratic primary. In 2012 only 49,000 voted in the NH Democratic primary. Why the dramatic dip? Because Obama ran unopposed.

    Same thing tonight. Biden ran unopposed (Ice Cream Dean wasn’t viewed as a real opponent)

  22. 22.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    @p.a.: ​
      NEWSMAX is saying Dump repeatedly confused Haley with Pelosi on purpose to make the “fake news” look bad. (video)

  24. 24.

    Geminid

    I read about Trump’s vindictive victory speech in this morning’s Politico Playbook. From the description and the excerpts, Trump really showed his ass. Evidently Haley’s speech infuriated him.

    Playbook also says a new book about Fani Willis’s election interference case recounts how Lindsay Graham threw Trump under the bus in his grand jury testimony. Michael Isikoff and his coauthor say that after resisting his subpoena for months, Graham found the experience “cathartic.” The book recounts how when Graham ran into Fani Willis in the courthouse afterwards, he thanked Willis and gave her a hug.

  27. 27.

    Nukular Biskits

    Damn, I hate posting mobile.

    Anyway, as I noted in earlier thread, I welcome the demise of the “Trump is strong, Biden is weak” narrative that has been pushed by the media for the past few months.

  28. 28.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Is there any more pusillanimous figure than Lindsey Graham? Does the man have any principles at all?

    Good opportunities to use the word ‘pusillanimous’ are few and far between, so I applaud your taking advantage of the opportunity to use it to describe Lindsey Graham.

  35. 35.

    Freemark

    I’m feeling quite gruntled about our chances as long as Biden stays healthy. I think Trump will continue leak away voters the way an old Chevy leaks oil from its head gasket.

  36. 36.

    Princess

    @Baud: I thought Dems could not cross over to vote in NH — only Independents can decide which primary they want to vote in. But maybe you can change your registration day-of.

  38. 38.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Princess: You are correct–it’s only semi-open and only independents can vote in either primary. You can’t change your existing party registration day-of.

    However, if you have not declared a party, requesting a ballot for a party automatically enrolls you with that party unless you sign some kind of form requesting otherwise at the polling place. That’s a wrinkle of NH that I didn’t know about! It doesn’t work that way in Massachusetts.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/who-can-vote-in-new-hampshire-primary-2024/

  40. 40.

    Princess

    So It’s not that Trump is strong. Trump is weak — weaker than 2020 — but the rest of his party is weaker still.
    And Independents don’t like him.

  43. 43.

    Geminid

    @Princess: I don’t know about rules for Democrats crossing over, but I think New Hampshire has a lot of Independents. Some of them must be regular Democratic voters, seeing as New Hampshire has two Democratic Senators, and both Biden and Clinton carried the state. This group may have supplied a substantial portion of Haley’s votes.

  45. 45.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Good opportunities to use the word ‘pusillanimous’ are few and far between…

    I’m currently reading ‘The British Are Coming’ by Rick Atkinson which means anytime you read something about the American Revolution, ‘pusillanimous’ is used like a comma.

    Right up their with ‘poltroon’.

  46. 46.

    Ken

    @Princess: Trump is weak — weaker than 2020 — but the rest of his party is weaker still.

    And he’s the one who’s been making that party weaker. It’s similar to his White House staff, or his lawyers — he can’t stand to be around competent people and vice-versa, so over time the people willing to associate with him get worse.

  48. 48.

    Geminid

    @Matt McIrvin: Crossover voting is friction-free in South Carolina and Virginia because those states do not register by party. I don’t think that will affect the result in South Carolina because Trump seems to have the Sputh Carolina Republican party locked down tight.

    Virginia could be a good state for Haley if she’s stays in the race. I don’t see Haley  winning Virginia, but I think she could make a good showing here.

    Now I realize I might see Trump and Youngkin campaigning together. Blech!

  50. 50.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    This was part of a DK front page post earlier this morning:

    “I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

    My first reaction is “what a marooon” b/c, well, I’m an informed voter.  But as we’ve talked about in the past, “normies” are different creatures so how to reach them?

    It then dawned on me that while a lot of people bitch about the various judicial routes being undertaken to punish the Orange Fart Cloud (and how they’re too slow, not happening at all, mismanaged, pick-you-favorite-criticism), they do have an important feature in helping edumacate a “normie” voter like the “independent” voter (aka Embarrassed Republican Voter) cited this morning in DK.

    Meaning even if the judicial processes don’t move fast enough or end have a satisfactory ending (Hair Furor in jail or head affixed to the end of a pike), if they sway normie voters to either at best vote for Biden or at worst, stay at home/throw-it-away-on-some-3rd-party-moran, they’re worth it.

  51. 51.

    Ken

    I am curious about the hundreds of votes for DeSantis. There were also votes for Christie, Ramaswamy, and Pence. Truly dedicated voters? Marked the wrong oval? News travels slowly up there?

  53. 53.

    3Sice

    This isn’t the exciting new season of West Wing NBC promised.

    More like when you tune in for a “hot new show” and it’s dreck. The reviews were pay-for-play bullshit.

  57. 57.

    mrmoshpotato

    Dean, you and the Rethuglican party should drop out.

    You don’t need all the bullshit of high school to be horses’ asses.

    Apologies to a young Alex Lifeson.

  61. 61.

    Ken

    Electoral-vote has an amusing note on the Trump campaign (warning: picture of him).  For those who don’t want to click through (especially after that warning), the picture — posted by his account on Truth Social — shows Trump praying in a church. Except it’s a computer-generated image*, probably because actual pictures of him praying are unavailable.

    * The subtle clues include the pews facing the wrong way, a suitcoat apparently made out of leather, and six fingers on his hand.

  63. 63.

    Taken4Granite

    @Ken: Some of those would be absentee voters. New Hampshire does not allow early voting, but it requires absentee ballots to be received by 5 PM on election day at Town Hall in the voter’s town in order to be counted.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    @Ken:

    Except it’s a computer-generated image*, probably because actual pictures of him praying are unavailable.

     

    Plus the risk of God’s wrath if he did enter a church.

  66. 66.

    3Sice

    @Ken:

    The political media have taken to using stock photos from 2016 because he looks like he is waiting for a boatman.

  69. 69.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Baud: ​ Plus the risk of God’s wrath if he did enter a church.

    Sheeeeeeit, I have been in any # of churches over the years and God still hasn’t turned me into a pillar of salt.

  70. 70.

    Scout211

    Many commenters mentioned Tim Scott’s humiliation last night by Trump but I have been reading many of the news stories this morning like this one that highlights Scott’s sycophancy.

    Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) left critics cringing on Tuesday with a stunning display of sycophancy to former President Donald Trump.

    The senator, who dropped out of the GOP presidential race in November, was one of two former candidates onstage with Trump in Nashua to celebrate his victory over Nikki Haley in the New Hampshire primary.

    In 2012, when she was governor of South Carolina, Haley appointed Scott, then a member of the House of Representatives, to his Senate seat to replace retiring Sen. Jim DeMint.

    “Did you ever think that she actually appointed you, Tim?” Trump said of Haley during his speech. “And you’re the senator of her state. And [you] endorsed me.”

    “You must really hate her,” he added.

    Scott, who had been standing behind Trump, approached the mic and said: “I just love you.”

    “That’s why he’s a great politician!” Trump said.

    But most of the many news reports don’t mention that Trump is a bully and last night he purposely humiliated Scott at a time that he should have been thanking him. Trump was furious with Haley and took it out on Scott because she appointed him.  Ugh.

  73. 73.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Speaking of God’s wrath: ‘The Lord told us to’: US pastor says he stole $1m from Christians to remodel home

    “The charges are that me and Kaitlyn pocketed $1.3m,” Regalado said in the video published to INDXcoin’s website on Friday. “I just wanted to come out and say those charges are true.”

    Regalado added: “A few hundred thousand dollars went to a home remodel the Lord told us to do.

    “We took God at his word and sold a cryptocurrency with no clear exit.”

    Ummmmm… Yeah.

  76. 76.

    SW

    It is hard to believe that the media is spinning NH as a big Trump win.  What NH showed us yesterday is that Trump has a lock on the Republican nomination, and Independents will not vote for him.  You can’t win a nation-wide election with only Republican votes.  The Republican Party is a minority Party.  If every Republican in the country votes for Trump in November, he still loses big.

  77. 77.

    Geminid

    @Scout211: I don’t know that Haley intended the result, but her speech last night was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Trump would have done much better to shrug it off, but he apparently cannot shrug off stuff like this. Trump needed to project calm and confidence and instead he got all snarly and showed his insecurity.

  81. 81.

    Splitting Image

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Regalado added: “A few hundred thousand dollars went to a home remodel the Lord told us to do.

    “We took God at his word and sold a cryptocurrency with no clear exit.”

    I’ve never seen a complete list of all the ways to “take the name of the Lord your God in vain”, but I’m pretty sure that sort of stuff is on it.

  87. 87.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: Yup.  My Dad is a longtime Conservative.  Worshiped Reagan and Buckley etc.  But he couldn’t bring himself to vote for Trump.  I’m sure he voted for all the other Republicans on his ballot but he swears he didn’t vote for Trump.  There are people like that and likely more and more of them, because of the various legal proceedings showing he is likely a criminal.  We don’t know how many of them there are, but hopefully enough to help in November.

  88. 88.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Splitting Image: ​ Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple saying, “It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.” I have always wondered how so many dodge that part.

  91. 91.

    satby

    @Betty Cracker: My grandmother’s used the cream cheese and condensed milk and was no bake. Almost like a lemon version of key lime pie. I’ll dig up the recipe on my tablet and send it to you, but it’s probably similar to the one you’re less fond of.

  93. 93.

    Quinerly

    @p.a.: late the thread…did you see the stroking the Fox interviewer gave Trump about Trump’s weightloss? 15-20lbs (allegedly)

  102. 102.

    dirge

    @Ken: he can’t stand to be around competent people and vice-versa, so over time the people willing to associate with him get worse.

    Exactly.  Or stated another way, the Republican Party is an affirmative action program for bullies, fools, and crooks, who feel the system unfairly discriminates against abuse, incompetence, and criminality.

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