.@speakerpelosi: "I'm not abandoning Joe Biden right now for any speculation… So while the intelligentsia may have some analysis of what people are thinking, what we're hearing that people are thinking is they support the ticket and I support the ticket." pic.twitter.com/lsByx3blex
— Inside with Jen Psaki (@InsideWithPsaki) June 30, 2024
1/It’s possible the best option is Biden steps aside. But I think it’s more likely that would make things worse. I see lots of people saying Biden needs to step aside, I see almost nobody explaining what happens next & why that would be better
Bad vs not-bad doesn’t exist… https://t.co/aQVffEvfE3
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) June 30, 2024
2/…in this situation. It’s about bad vs worse.
Not bad RE Biden’s performance; his performance has been stellar. Top ten President-caliber. And not certain that he’ll decline so badly he can’t effectively perform the duties of the office. Just bad that he’s 81. That’s old…
3/ Actuarial tables are real things. Few people stave off significant decline in their 80’s. Of course it’s no certainty that being younger guarantees good health; I can attest to how being in excellent shape & decades younger than Biden is no protection from life-threatening…
4/…illness & disease. 8 years ago I was in better physical condition than Joe Biden. Today he’s probably in better condition than me.
But this dilemma didn’t arise last Thursday. It was a risk the entire time. (Note that had she won in 2016 & again in 2020 Hillary Clinton…
5/…would be 77 at the end of her term; the same risk existed w her in 2016, & in 2020 Biden’s two closest competitors [Sanders & Bloomberg] were both _older_ [and Warren is only 6 years younger].)
Age & incapacity aren’t directly linked; JFK was young, & was horribly ill.
6/And w Trump, who knows? We’ve never seen trustworthy medical reports. (In fact, his former doctor’s office was raided by unknown men who grabbed all of Trump’s records, which were probably destroyed.) Cognitively Trump was never smart; now he’s energetically incoherent.
7/But this is the situation we’re in. Wishing it were different doesn’t make it so. @JamesFallows
—who’s been in the White House, looking at choice & trying to figure out which & bad & which are worse—has the right take. We can’t know w great confidence that it would be…8/…better if Biden stepped down (he almost certainly can’t be removed against his will).
Like almost everything in our politics, ultimately this is probably Trump’s fault. Biden’s story—which I believe is largely true—is Charlottesville compelled him to run. He believed he…
9/…could beat Trump. He not only beat Trump, he became only the third Democrat since FDR (along w LBJ & Obama) to get over 50% of the vote. He won by over 7m votes.
Biden also believed he could be a great president. He was right, beyond just about anyone’s imagination…
10/Our problem was Biden won the 2020 election, but he still hasn’t defeated Trump. Too many Americans support a guy who tried to keep power through violence, & our system & institutions aren’t strong enough to block his return to power
So it depends on a Dem nominee…
11/And only one Democrat has beaten Trump: Joe Biden. Do we assume it would be easy for someone else to replicate Biden’s result? That not an easy question to answer, but I have yet to see anyone offer a strong argument that it’s more risk for Biden to remain the nominee…
12/…than for him to be replaced. And I don’t think it could be anyone except Kama Harris; it won’t be Perfect Unnamed Democrat
This isn’t easy. Among the many great disservices of the press is discussing a replacement for Biden as if there are clear procedures for that switch…
13/…or that it’s obvious that replacing Biden increases Dems’ odds of winning
Ultimately, I think @joshtpm is right, this will be decided by Joe & Jill Biden, Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, & Nancy Pelosi. Not the press, not you or me.
But we’re not helpless…
14/We can & should continue to volunteer, donate, persuade family & friends to vote Dem & against Trump/Trumpers/Trumpism. And we can challenge The Great Simplifiers, the pundits through to the Twitter randos who talk about our situation—that we’ve been in since 2020–as if…
15/…it’s easy. It’s not. And it’s politically irresponsible or worse to talk as if there’s an easy way to get through the Trump crisis of American democracy.
Actual reporting on the mechanics of dumping our nominee, at this stage. Sharing is caring!
There is no evidence Biden is willing to end his campaign. And it would be nearly impossible for Democrats to replace him unless he chooses to step aside. Here’s why:https://t.co/ang0DbQNnn
— Steve Peoples (@sppeoples) June 28, 2024
My take on where the Biden campaign goes from here: https://t.co/ZxiCYMRudn
— Inside with Jen Psaki (@InsideWithPsaki) June 29, 2024
… [T]here is no question the next few weeks are going to be rocky for the Biden campaign. There will be ongoing discussions about the possibility of an open convention, and about replacing Biden on the ticket. While that may sound like a good idea on editorial pages, it would be quite challenging to pull off. The public has already chosen Biden, and a brokered convention means party delegates — and not the public — pick the nominee (from a large field of ambitious and talented people) in what would also be a messy and divisive process. This is not a “West Wing” episode.
The next few weeks are critical. The campaign needs to mobilize its surrogates, in particular the vice president and the group of promising Democratic governors like Gavin Newsom, Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore, J.B. Pritzker and others. It needs to keep raising money and highlighting that continued support.
And if Chris Christie is waiting in the wings to announce his endorsement, by all means they should roll out something big to change the subject.
But more than anything, the buck stops with the president. As Biden himself said on Friday, he is older, he is slower and he is not as strong of a debater. But he is still a deeply empathetic leader who has spent his adult life fighting for the little guy. And he has a hell of a record to prove it. Trump is still a man convicted of 34 felony counts who believes that women shouldn’t make choices about their own bodies and insurrectionists should be free. So Biden should watch the debate, rip up the notecards with numbers and data, speak from his heart and use this lousy performance as his motivation to once again prove people wrong. It’s far from over. Scranton Joe is far more appealing than creepy convict Don. But after Thursday, at least among the chattering class, Biden is the underdog.
Slightly_peeved
Saying “rolling out something big” in reference to Chris Christie seems a little mean
Dangerman
These are the times that try men’s (and women’s) soles. Gonna be a ground game election.
Personally, I think Trump loses to just about anyone with a pulse. Plus, a long way to go. Jimmy Carter can’t live forever. Trump will go full metal asshole if Carter passes.
ETA: Because no way he gets an invite to the funeral.
E.
I cannot believe this is becoming a real thing that could actually happen. My god. It reminds me of that moment you realize that yep, the car you are in is definitely going to crash.
Eyeroller
Fuck the chattering class with rusty farm implements. There’s no evidence for Biden suddenly becoming the underdog with anybody else. Where is Villago Delenda Est, we need his slogan repeated.
Manyakitty
Big words from Jen Psaki, who was weirdly gleeful about the disappointing debate and spewed this awkward crap about getting MVP in front of the cameras right away. Rachel had to calm her down by pointing out that she was scheduled a while ago.
I mean, she said mostly the right things in her piece, but I don’t trust her because of those little digs she scattered through it.
New Deal democrat
FWIW, I finally watched the first 20 minutes of the debate today. Aside from the one time he lost his train of thought, it didn’t seem that bad.Yes, his gait is arthritic, and yes he has the old man rasp, but mainly what I heard was standard issue Democratic Senator flannel-mouth, rattling off a string of statistics instead of giving an emotionally resonant answer to the questions. But I could easily see the younger Biden giving similar flannel-mouthed responses, just in a stronger, clear voice. And then there was the one horrible brain freeze.
So, the bad news: I am afraid there will be more of this, probably an issue of sundowning when he is tired. Now I harken back to the video a couple of weeks ago at the Hollywood fund-raiser, where at the end Biden had a similar brain freeze, and Obama grasped him around the wrist to get him to turn and leave (which means Obama had seen this before as well).
I think Biden needs to frankly own just how bad the night was, cutting an ad leveling with the American people.
I also hope the campaign will make a virtue of necessity by foregrounding Harris more, putting people’s minds at ease that she is tanned, rested, and ready to step in and safely take over to steer the ship of state and keep it off the rocks if the need should arise. And actuarially, there is probably a 50/50 chance in the next 4.5 years that the need will arise, based on what we know now.
Just my $.02.
Omnes Omnibus
@Eyeroller: $33 million says he is still popular with his base.
Scout211
This is getting ridonculous. Pundits and journalists writing story and story after opinion piece advising the Biden campaign, as if they were political advisers and as if their opinion is more important than the voters who have nominated him.
It’s almost like the ghost of “fair and balanced.” “Hey readers, we spent all those days on the trial and the 34 felony convictions, now we gotta stir up some shit against the old guy.” It’s balanced! A criminal trial and conviction on 34 felonies versus one bad debate performance. Fair and balanced!
Manyakitty
@Omnes Omnibus: exactly. The people are speaking loud and clear.
New Deal democrat
@Eyeroller: my favorite pollwatcher, Dan Guild, has written that based on past poor debate performances by other candidates, there is going to be some very ugly polling (and it’s already started) over the next week. And then the polls will re-set.
And don’t forget that the Supreme Court is going to rock everyone’s world tomorrow morning.
Eyeroller
@Scout211: It’s a masturbatory fantasy. It’s weird and disconcerting and shows the disconnect between the fucking “chattering class” and the real world. I guess Jen must have been completely assimilated.
Frankensteinbeck
@E.:
It’s not. That has never stopped the press from pretending that it is before. They fantasized loudly for months about Democrats picking someone other than Biden in the primaries, and instead Biden swept house the way an incumbent does, and Trump was the one with a worrying 20% that absolutely would not vote for him. They’ve grabbed any bad event to bang this drum that Biden will step aside or be forced to step aside. It’s never been realistic and it isn’t now. It’s entirely in the media’s heads, but oh my god are they obsessed with that fantasy.
Manyakitty
@New Deal democrat: yeah, three stories will hit before noon and the debate will be ancient history.
UncleEbeneezer
This!!! And this applies to all of us since the media looks to social media to figure out which narratives will get clicks. They literally follow what is Trending and decide to get in the act. The more we discuss this, the more the media will. Turn off their damn faucet!!
Manyakitty
@UncleEbeneezer: exactly. No clicks!
Shalimar
@E.: It isn’t a real thing, because most of the people pushing Biden to step aside do not want Harris as the nominee. The goal is to drive down turnout for Biden, not get him to quit. Assholes are trolling. Lying.
ColoradoGuy
This is the second time in a hundred years a Democratic President has had to fight and defeat fascism. It’s closer to home now than it was in 1941, but the danger is just as grave and serious.
People don’t mention it, but Biden is walking in FDR’s footsteps, and he knows it. He, and the Democratic Party, is all that stands between the world created by the Enlightenment and fascist darkness. It’s really that simple.
Gloria DryGarden
I need to think about this some more.
I hear folks say Biden is the best chance at defeating trump. Over and over. That putting someone else up, gives it away to trump. Which would be an appalling outcome.
on my google news feed, there’s something about Jamie raskin bringing it up, that Biden should step down. Shit.
I trust joe Biden to uphold the things we’ve seen he does, and to keep making things better, and I trust him to usually have good teams around him (exception, the debate prep and debate stipulations teams, oops, goddammit)
Orange shows himself to be unhinged ever time he speaks, and to be dangerous, and harmful, etc.
our dem guy is loopy on some cold medicine, can’t get it together how to stand up to a blustering, bullshitting bully, for a portion of a debate, and we’re saying he’s too weak a guy to be our president.
so now I think have to write a useful treatise and call up raskins office. Shit. Fuck.
anyone else?
Ohio Mom
@E.: And yet… Yesterday I went to a neighborhood garage sale. While was walking along, scanning the street, sizing up the sequence of houses I’d visit, I tripped over an uneven sidewalk.
Everything slowed down, just like that moment before a car crash. I thought, “Oh crap, what part of me is going to break” and all of a sudden, my arms were flailing and then they were still and I was upright. Time went back to its usual pace. All was fine.
That’s the metaphor I’m going to cling to because I won’t be able to function otherwise.
Eyeroller
@Gloria DryGarden: It sounds like it’s the usual Democratic defensive crouch.
West of the Rockies
@Dangerman:
Good shoes might help! 😉
Jeffro
I have to agree, 110%. Flood the zone with the Democratic Justice League! LET’S GO!!!
Suzanne
@New Deal democrat:
I think he needs to blitz every kind of friendly media. Give interviews where he can speak more extemporaneously and connect with people. If he’s going to put this behind him, we need to see Joe frequently and not have the debate be the most recent thing people remember.
moonbat
At this point I refuse to believe all this Biden step aside bullshit is not the MSM running interference for the convicted felon’s upcoming sentencing hearing and what is shaping up to be a truly terrible convention for the GQP in Milwaukee. They gotta say SOMETHING bad about the other side to both sides this thing and this appears to be their chosen one note that they are going to hit til the piano string breaks.
Or what Scout said at #8
Thanks for the edit, Omnes Omnibus!
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: Like the rally he did and the Waffle House visit?
Ishiyama
And it was Old Abe himself who said, when it was suggested that he step aside for a unity candidate, that it is best not to change horses in the middle of the stream!
Gloria DryGarden
Who is a really good writer on this blog, and can compile all the main points, pro and con, refute all the cons, and write up a piece that gets out big, to the public?
we’re just spinning our wheels, running like gerbils, otherwise. if we bicker enough we can tear down a bridge, destroy a pathway, cause a rock slide and block a major highway.
who are the writers that can do this?
I’ll write another angle on this later
Jackie
Reposting from earlier post for repeated enjoyment:
TCFG is begging the Supremes to grant him complete immunity on the Eve of Decision:
Sorry, WaterGirl; I’m not clicking on Untruth Media and linking from there! RawStory, it is!!😉
ETA: For the first time in three plus days, I’m looking forward to tomorrow’s news! <rubbing hands gleefully emoji>
Jerry
I don’t understand why folks allow themselves to be trapped in the present. There are going to be Supreme Court decisions, stupid shit that Trump does/says, stupid shit that Republicans do/say, two conventions, a second debate, and poor memory retention between now and election day. Just get your ass busy working the phones, postcards, and knocking on doors. Notice I used an “and” in there and not an “or.” Stop crying on social media and get your ass busy.
Omnes Omnibus
@moonbat: The GOP is planning to shit the bed in Milwaukee not Minneapolis.*
*FTR this is Wisconsin-splaining.
piratedan
again and again and again, why is it ONLY Dems that have agency here. We have one unsteady, admittedly bad debate performance. That’s it, that’s the “crime”. Not his policy, not a statement where POC are slandered, where he’s admitting to flaunting the law, dissing allies… none of that.
On the other side, we have a twice impeached, once convicted, currently embroiled in other lawsuits plausibly accusing him of the unlawful retention of sensitive documents, undermining an election and an attempted coup. Instead of rejecting this guy, the other party embraced him and continues to cover for him to this very day. These guys are never asked these questions…. by the press.
wonder why.
Jeffro
One, fuck this nonsense (and kudos to the Philadelphia Inquirer for making the case/contrast)…why hasn’t trump dropped out??!? He’s dragging them to certain moral ruin (and likely electoral ruin) by staying in the race with his 34 felony convictions, adjudicated rapist status, and more trials to come.
Two, Biden is the only person who can get us across the finish line (punditariat fantasies aside) and so I’m sticking with him. His team is awesome and our bench is strong. LET’S GO!!!
Manyakitty
@Omnes Omnibus: lol
Gretchen
The press wants a brokered convention (and so do a lot of people who just learned the phrase) because it would be more fun to write about: breathless speculation about what’s going to happen next, who’s favored, who likes who. Just like the chaotic, leaky Trump White House was easier to write about than the tight-lipped, disciplined Biden White House.
Biden has 40+ campaign offices in Wisconsin. Trump has one. Are they just going to slap another name on those offices, hope all the staffers are happy to make the switch, and move on?
John Revolta
The “chattering class” has been against Biden since he pulled out of Afghanistan, at least, Jen. (Sounds like you’re getting a little chattery yourself BTW)
Manyakitty
@Jeffro: has Froette shared any behind-the-scenes scoop?
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: No. Like actual interviews. Podcasts. Television. Rallies are compelling if you are there and they are shit if you are not.
ETA: Rally speeches are also prepared, and usually fairly dull, and reading prepared speeches isnot Joe’s strength.
moonbat
@Omnes Omnibus: Duly noted!
Gretchen
@Jeffro: yes, it’s maddening. Biden’s been a great president who got bogged down with his stutter. Trump admitted, during the debate, that Putin talked to him about invading Ukraine, and he held up Ukraine aid. He ran off with boxes of deeply classified papers, gave secrets to Russia, was found guilty of rape and 34 felonies, and there’s not a breath of a whisper anywhere in the press that he should step down.
Devore
how’s this for a possible best of both worlds type of option
Biden stays at the top of the ticket. But promises to resign within 6 months of being re-elected
kamala is replaced immediately as the VP on the ticket with someone considered the most electable Such as Gavin Newsom
and it’s made clear that the new VP such as Newsom will become president
moonbat
@Devore: That may be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.
John Revolta
@Devore: Or maybe better yet, he could shoot himself in both feet and dance with Kamala by the light of the silvery moon?
Piss off, comrade.
Jeffro
@Manyakitty: on what? The debate? Nope. House Dems know what’s what. =)
piratedan
@Devore: it’s bullshit and speaking as a Dem, I hope like hell that the Dem’s tell the punditry to go and fuck themselves. In short, these are the same people who were telling us to be prepared for a Red wave 2022. the same guys that told us that while Biden may get elected, he won’t get the House or the Senate.
In short, they are too up their own ass reading polling and too lite on the analytics on how people have actually fucking voted. They won’t admit it because to be that honest, would mean that all of the other members of their circle might have a sad.
satby
@Omnes Omnibus: Both of those within hours of the debate and probably not on a full night’s sleep. And yet pretty much everyone just ignores those happening for the few bad minutes. Weird how that is.
Omnes Omnibus
@Devore: No. FFS, no, Non, Nein. Nu.
Belafon
@Devore: And blacks don’t vote and Trump wins. Your idea is stupid.
Manyakitty
@Jeffro: that’s what I wanted to hear 😁
West of the Rockies
@Gloria DryGarden:
I’ve been hoping the WP might publish such an essay… Nah, they’re just pushing Joe Is Old & Dems in Disarray stories.
And nary a word about Trump’s fountain of lies.
Gretchen
@Devore: No, no, no! Most of the angst from the chattering classes is knowing that a black woman is next up. They lost their minds about a black president and the possibility of a woman president. A black woman succeeding to the presidency is the reason they have had such agita about Biden’s age all along. I’m confident that she’d be a good president, but a lot of people are racists/misogynists.
Manyakitty
@satby: right? And those hot takes came across like they were loaded and ready to go before the debate even started. Really disgusting with our supine media.
opiejeanne
@Scout211: Someone on Twitter made the comment that the media hunts in packs. What we’re witnessing are the baying of the hounds when they think they’ve scented the fox.
p.a.
I’ll write the debate off to illness and cold meds, but I have seen him look frail and a bit disconnected at times in 1on 1s with the general public. Obvs he’s got my vote no matter what.
What I’m wondering about is tRump’s reaction to his “win.” His bloviating id will be at 11 for the foreseeable future so the shit pouring from his mouth will be a godsend for Dems as he’ll think the election is already his. There are times (whether through drugs or enough self-awareness of danger) that he can be held down to, say, 9. Not now. The debate provided plenty of sound bites. tRump will continue to oblige.
laura
Black Twitter has been calling bullshit since Thursday- and I’m with them 100%. The whole enchilada- the media orgasmic over the hubbub, the pod bros, the white men all calling for a great white midwestern male hope and disappearing Madame Vice President, the immediate cut n run, instead of trusting the candidate who had a shite 20 minutes, pulled up, finished strong, returned to the campaign; after a post debate wafflhouse run, and continues to president. Black Twitter would remind people to ask why the media is absolutely silent on Project 2025, why no one is calling for tfg to step down, how this “I’ll advised” early debate is revealing just who can be counted on when the road gets rocky, and who doubles down and fights back harder than ever. Better now, than in October. The media elite deserves all manner of scorn and to be shown how irrelevant they are to the matter at hand. And most of all Black Twitter advises to look around and see who your allies actually are, there will be receipts for those who were friends of convenience and who can be counted on to have their backs. And Black Jobs- the memes, the joy. I know where I stand, and I’m with the base.
Jeffro
@Devore:
this is, completely unintentionally I’m sure, the funniest thing I’ve heard in at least the past month.
What’s the pitch to Democratic and our blessed ‘independent’ voters, exactly? “Vote for Joe…so he can resign in 6 months!”
Voters: “That’s awesome dude I’m in!” NOT
To say nothing of how it cracks the Dem coalition (and rightfully so) by leaving a loyal VP in the ditch.
We’re not the GOP. Please go play somewhere else.
zhena gogolia
@John Revolta: She’s been chattery since she crossed the threshold of MSNBC.
satby
For the Good of the Country, It’s Time for Some Pundits to Retire:
Scout211
As a California Democrat, in my opinion, Kamala Harris is far more electable to national office than Gavin Newsom.
ETA: And Biden could step down whenever he feels like he needs to, after he and Kamala are sworn in next January.
Jeffro
Exactly. I saw it put quite succinctly: “The problem folks have with Joe Biden’s age is Kamala Harris’ gender and skin color.” FULL STOP.
gwangung
@Devore: Son, how stupid do you think we are?
Ken
An analogy I came up with (at least, I’ve not heard it elsewhere): During the debate, Biden was like old Google; not very exciting, but it answered the question you asked. Trump is like New! Google! now with AI !!!, producing loud, over-confident responses that have nothing to do with the question you asked and on top of that are factually wrong.
JC NZ
@Slightly_peeved: First laugh I’ve had in a few days…
Gretchen
@Jeffro: wait: I didn’t even see that he wanted to dump Kamala before his brilliant plan. Way to get our most loyal voters to stay home!
Belafon
This “skip Harris” crap is white people thinking blacks will fall in line. Why won’t whites? I’m as tired of us white Democrats doing stupid shit and counting on blacks tp fix it as I am of Republicans doing stupid shit and counting on Democrats to fix it.
Geminid
@Gloria DryGarden: Rep. Raskin is a Constitutional Law scholar. He may be a wicked smart interlocutor in Congressional hearings, but he has very little experience in practical politics. Raskin won a primary for an open, deep-blue Maryland seat in 2016. However, David Trone came in second so the competition could not have been fierce. There are many Democrats better able to judge a practical political matter than Jaime Raskin.
Lapassionara
One of the things that has made Joe Biden an effective President is that he has spent his adult life in the Senate, building relationships. These have paid dividends during his time in office. Why would we give that up to appease the naysayers and doom mongers? The presidency is about more than 15 minutes of a debate.
satby
In other news, I got into a skirmish with Greg Sargent too. Edited version from a text message I sent:
(Me): This! And @GregTSargent knows better. They all do, they’ve just normalized the completely unacceptable idea that a convicted felon is ok as a candidate.
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Mueller, She Wrote @MuellerSheWrote 6h
Replying to @MattPolProf and @GregTSargent
No it is NOT well said. The real question is why the media is out here demanding a near flawless execution from Biden, but letting Trump be a rapist and a felon.
Greg Sargent @GregTSargent 52m
Actually, I’ve been arguing in literally dozens of pieces that Trump is dangerous and unacceptable. You’ve been misled by her dishonest tweet
Sharon Barrett (she, her) 🌻 @sbarrt 32m
Did you not write this just a couple of days ago? Been a long time fan, but COME TF ON!
“What’s really disturbing about the debate fiasco is there’s no way to be confident that Biden has it in him to pull off the near-flawless execution he’ll need to win at this point.” 1
2 He proceeded to demonstrate it the next day in NC. You may feel you’re correct, but “near flawless” always being the requirement for Dems while “not obviously shitting his pants” as the bar for the Repubs is how we got here.
Jay
A must read,
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/the-media-needs-to-cut-this-shit
Stop feeding the narrative.
John Revolta
@zhena gogolia: Pity. What the hell happens to people when that damn camera points at them?
gwangung
@Ken: The analogy I heard elsewhere is that your starting QB shat the bed in the first half of the Super Bowl. He’s won the big one before…so do you replace him with the backup who’s never played a minute of playoff football?
satby
@Jeffro: you saw that in AL’s thread this morning in a tweet from Victoria Brownworth.
satby
Always tag the media people when you say something about their performance., because they’ll see it. I suspect if I ever meet Tapper in person he’s going to punch me in the mouth.
Mai Naem mobile
James Fallows has it right. I sweat these pundits even if they’re Dem strategists just want something new and exciting to gossip over instead of actually thinking the long term consequences of their advice.
Eyeroller
@Mai Naem mobile: They don’t care about long-term consequences.
Devore
Well. I guess now I think you’re all missing the point. It’s all about coming up with a strategy to keep Trump out.
im assuming Biden supporters will continue supporting. The idea is to somehow capture the voters that don’t want to vote for Biden because of the age related issues
Biden promising to resign mitigates those issues So he needs replaced with someone who will capture the idiots who won’t vote for Biden because they thing he’s too old
again. Keeping Trump out is all that matters. So pick someone that can win. As VP. It’s not Kamala obviously. Or there wouldn’t be these type of concerns now. I don’t think I’ve heard very many people say. Don’t worry. There’s always Kamala
Eyeroller
@Devore: Why is it “obviously” not Kamala? She poll second best (after Biden) against Trump.
eclare
@Omnes Omnibus:
Hahaha…
gwangung
@Devore: You must think we’re REALLY stupid.
gwangung
@Eyeroller: Obviously because he’s a troll making a racist comment.
satby
@Devore: yeah, nope. Nope. NOPE
Maybe you can peddle this fantasy elsewhere, have you tried r/ amateur?
Omnes Omnibus
@Devore: Again, no.
MagdaInBlack
@Devore: Pretty sure I do not want whatever it is you’re smoking.
Frankensteinbeck
@Devore:
Then we’d better hope that debate really was a bad night and that uncommitted voters really were more repulsed by Trump, because there is absolutely no one we could replace Biden with who would be more likely to win.
Jeffro
@satby: I hate to tell ya, but I have been super-busy all weekend and saw it and versions of it in several places over the past week, as well as before the Biden/trumpov debate. No offense to you or AL of course ;)
It’s a great line no matter where it comes from.
stinger
The guy had one bad night. It’s not The End of Everything. All this heart rending is ridiculous.
Biden lost his wife and baby daughter in a car accident. He lost his eldest son to brain cancer. The man knows how to pick himself up and keep going after worse things than one poor “debate”. Best president of my lifetime.
If you can’t tell from this, I’m ridin’.
Jay
@Devore:
Some of you should walk a mile in my shoes,…….
Then you would be a mile a way from me,……..
You can keep the shoes,……..
piratedan
@Devore: you may be missing a point yourself. Post the debate, in questioning undecided voters who watched the Debate, a majority of them said Biden won. Mentioned that he was the only one who mentioned policy questions and they could not pick out anything that he said that was an outright lie.
Biden was the only one who attempted to answer the questions in good faith and bothered to fact check Trump. People watched and heard what was said, and they don’t have an issue with Biden.
The MEDIA has an issue with Biden.
Was I concerned watching the first 20 minutes, yes. Did I see a different Biden post the debate and he sounded and looked better. On the campaign trail in NC the next day, no issues and believe me, if there was an issue, it sure as hell would have been mentioned, but as of yet, we only have one crappy debate performance and a media that has fucking melted down over this and are perfectly okay with a convicted felon as the representative of the other party who tells fewer truths than lies.
Somehow we’re supposed to simply fucking accept this
...now I try to be amused
@laura:
Me too. I listen to and trust Black people when it comes to politics because Black people are the most politically pragmatic people in America. They don’t have the luxury of falling into panic and despair with every trivial setback.
So everybody chill the fuck out! And focus more attention on the party that isn’t calling for its nominee to step down.
Slightly_peeved
For anyone talking about Biden sundowning, I’d be interested in what neurological condition you think the Australian Prime Minister exhibited in this interview:
https://youtu.be/0gUmHBeGfaE?si=D7DSvGk-us5MO5yi
SpaceUnit
Yeah, I’m just moving on from this replace Biden nonsense. Not giving these media assholes any time or reads or clicks. Fuck ’em.
Also I’ve got a question for the jackals. I got an email about twenty minutes ago asking for a donation to the Biden campaign. It was from ActBlue (supposedly). I’ve donated through them in the past, but I can’t remember if I’ve ever directly responded to an email solicitation (I get a lot of them). Mostly I’ve donated through the ActBlue links provided here on BJ. Anyone here have tips on how to be sure you’re responding to a legit request?
Maybe we could get an ActBlue Biden link here on the blog.
gwangung
@…now I try to be amused: Well, we got a Senate majority because of Black voters, so yeah…we need to cherish them and listen to them. They have a lot more common sense than a lot of other segments of the population.
Jay
@SpaceUnit:
Check the ActBlue weblink address against the email donation address to ensure that they are exactly the same.
Or ignore it and trust the BJ address to donate.
Jackie
@Jay:
@Devore:
I’m pretty sure @Devore’s shoes are clutsy and not comfortable to walk a block – much less a mile.
Tarzanne
Doesn’t Ohio require a designated nominee in July to be included on the ballot? Waiting until the August convention to choose a new nominee for President risks losing one state at the outset.
zhena gogolia
@stinger: Thank you!
Jay
@Jackie: I was suggesting they wear mine, they are pretty good light hikers, great insoles, 5:10 Stealth Rubber soles and guards, great for traction on slippery rocks,
best case scenario, they would be at least a couple miles away from this blog.
Maybe all the way over in the LGM comments section,……..
Wombat Probability Cloud
@Omnes Omnibus: Chef’s kiss!
Another Scott
@stinger: +1
@piratedan: +1
Jeet Heer at NewRepublic.com (9/2016):
Eyes on the prizes.
Cheers,
Scott.
SpaceUnit
@Jay:
Thanks. Good tip. Threw Joe a C-note.
w_seattle
Despite the media frenzy, I don’t think anything new was really revealed at the debate. We knew that Biden is older than in 2020, fights a stutter, and sometimes trips over words. Given the penchant for media to jump on runaway narratives, I think an optimistic scenario is still plausible: Biden eventually generating momentum as the scrappy comeback kid fighting for America. He would have to embody the narrative through public appearances and perhaps give an interview in which he explains how it’s possible for a candidate of sound mind to have a bad night (like an athlete getting the yips). Most everyone will be able to identify with fighting back after a struggle. In the movie re-make, the Rocky theme song then plays as Biden ascends the podium during the convention.
Nobody can be certain what will happen. But it’s hard for me to see value in public discussion of Biden stepping down unless it becomes clear that he’s unable to perform in a way comparable to the above scenario. As the nominee, he certainly deserves the opportunity.
Another Scott
@SpaceUnit: I don’t responds to donation-request links in e-mails, legit or not. I don’t like encouraging more e-mails that I don’t read.
For things that aren’t here, or similar trusted sites, I go directly to https://secure.actblue.com and donate there. (I have an account there to make it easier to keep track of donations.)
HTH a little.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus:
Laughing.
eclare
@…now I try to be amused:
Same. Before the 2020 primary I said that I would vote for whoever South Carolina, with its large Black population, voted for. They voted for Joe, so four days later I did too.
It’s really pissing me off that all of these pundits advocate that the votes of everyone who voted for Joe in this year’s primary essentially be thrown out. The arrogance is astounding.
SpaceUnit
@Another Scott:
Yeah, ActBlue does good work but they flood your email box. I’ve unsubscribed when it gets to be too much, but they never go away entirely.
Oh well.
Villago Delenda Est
A.G. Sulzberger’s conniption fit is ongoing, so hurt that OHJB won’t give his shitty fascist rag an interview.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@New Deal democrat:
https://nitter.poast.org/dcg1114
He’s a wonderful, fact-based antidote to the neoliberal, fauxgressives throughout our Failed Corporate media plus several commenters here, who never wanted Biden in the first place and find wonderful ways of messaging their “I’m a progressive, not a Democrat” bullshit whenever possible.
@laura:
From previous threads:
Yeah, we haven’t seen *any* of that commentary here from bougie, entitled white people. /s
Devore
Sorry. I’ve voted for Democrats longer than most of you’ve been alive. And this is the first time I’m genuinely scared that a republican winning could destroy democracy. It’s not about policy or race.
it’s about winning and saving democracy. Again. I’m just suggesting a strategy to capture the voters that think Biden is too old. And there doesn’t seem to be a ground swell of support for Kamela
How about Michelle Obama instead. Since Newsom may not be the best choice. I have no idea Again. It’s picking someone that will ensure a win and save democracy. Or how about Liz Cheney or Larry Hogan if a mixed ticket is the best strategy to win
Gloria DryGarden
@eclare: Right, the primary. All the folks who don’t want their vote thrown out!
Yeesss!
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Omnes Omnibus:
That doesn’t count because…reasons. 🙄
TBone
Tiedrich tears the press a new one and more. We’re Ridin’ with Biden 🌊 all the way.
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/the-media-needs-to-cut-this-shit
Fuggeddaboudit
Odie Hugh Manatee
Would the Tonya Harding wing of the Democratic Party please go fuck off already?! The political internet has become unreadable, or at least more so than usual. I watched the build up by the breathless left about how Joe was going to kick Trump’s bloated orange sack in the debate and everyone would see what a real leader looks like! The political cartoons were even hyping it. All they were doing was setting themselves up for this and now they can’t stop hyperventilating about how horrible everything is and how it’s all Joe’s fault.
Fuck you all. You built up expectations all on your lonesome and now you are whining like the bitches you really are. I’m with Biden to the end, eyes on the prize. So please guzzle a jug of superglue and let that distract you until after the election. We have a President to reelect and you’re undermining that. I know that you really want Joe to lose so you can prove that you are right so just shut up already.
Anyone who wants to argue this with me can flap their gums all they want, I’m not wasting time on you.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@satby:
Make sure I’m there with you. I’ll sucker punch him before he gets the chance.
Villago Delenda Est
@Eyeroller: They care about overnight ratings.
Villago Delenda Est
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I’ll help. Tapper is a worthless hack, as is Bash.
Omnes Omnibus
@Devore: Taking you at your word, I just going to say that you are not offering viable solutions to a what is really a manufactured problem.
Jay
@Devore:
LMFAO, what better way to explain that you suffer from Dunning-Kruger with out explaining that you suffer, and I mean “suffer’ from Dunning-Kruger.
That is the second stupidest comment I have ever seen on the web.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@stinger:
Butbutbut, he’s 81 and suffered from a cold which resulted in 30-45 minutes of poor debate performance which is a clear indicator he’s not fit to be president going forward.
/s
Gloria DryGarden
@West of the Rockies:
re hoping the WP would write it…
can you write it? Pull any strings, know someone who could?
Thanks
TBone
@Ken: 😂👍
Jay
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
20 minutes at best you ruZZian troll,……./
YY_Sima Qian
I loath the kind of “journalism” represented by Axios, I’ve decried the mass moral panic among large parts of what should be the anti-Fascist coalition post-debate, I’ve said I am willing to crawl over broken glass to vote for Biden-Harris even if Biden is comatose. However, if more these kinds of stories emerge & more people go on the record, I have to wonder just how much advanced age is affecting Biden’s ability to function (either during the campaign or in office in the 2nd term).
All I can say is that the Biden WH has better not been hiding things as the Reagan WH did in Reagan’s 2nd term, that will prove much more damaging than either the debate performance or the subsequent mass moral panic (because it would justify the mass panic).
It does not change the calculus for the Nov. election. Vote for whoever is the D ticket to deny Trump & the reactionaries.
TBone
@TBone: I see Jay beat me to it at #68. Yay!
opiejeanne
@Omnes Omnibus: What was the name of the front pager who used to troll us in the comments under various names? I can’t remember, but that last barrage of bs sounds remarkably like something he would post.
gwangung
@Jay: Low quality troll’s got to be a low quality troll.
Omnes Omnibus
@opiejeanne: DougJ? Now the NYT Pitchbot.
Another Scott
@Devore:
Election day is 128 days away. Normal people griping about or worried about their choices in conversations with pollsters or pundits is different from walking into the voting booth (or filling out mail-in ballot). Nobody’s actually voting yet.
People say all kinds of things. What matters is turning supporters out to vote.
People like voting for confident winners. A party pulling a Dump Eagleton Redux with the presidential candidate does not make the party or the ticket stronger. It weakens them.
Biden beat TCFFG before. He has the advantages of incumbency, a great economy, lowish and falling inflation, stable gas prices, historic low unemployment, rising wages, no foreign wars, a unified party behind him, etc., etc. Setting all that on fire, and throwing the party and party perceptions into chaos, because a few pundits talk incessantly about Biden being ooollllddd is insane.
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@opiejeanne:
DougJ, or as I call him, Professor DougJ.
opiejeanne
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh! It was DougJ. That name came up but I instantly discarded it, because it couldn’t be. LOL.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Jay:
Just paraphrasing a frequent commenter here.
aPpArEnTlY i NeEd A sArCaSm FoNt.
If I missed your snark, I apologize.
...now I try to be amused
@Devore: I think Justin Sherin, posting as Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, put it well:
“The only way out is through.”
opiejeanne
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Yes! This troll suddenly got even sillier in his latest post which brought him to mind.
Gloria DryGarden
@West of the Rockies:
re hoping the WP would write it…
can you write it? Pull any strings, know someone who could?
Thanks
@Geminid: thank you. I didn’t know all that, about Raskin as just a great interlocutor, crappy at practical politics. I just see he has influence, people will listen, and I opined to myself that his influence is not best used by weakening the democrat party at thus time. Voting for joe..
Aren’t you a lawyer/ writer? Can you call raskin up and talk him down? Are you the one to write a big article to go out big? You? Or omnes, or Martin?
SOMEBODY
Jay
@YY_Sima Qian:
I don’t buy it at all. Mix of a bunch of “unnamed” and a couple “named” who didn’t last a hot minute in the WH.
Lasting 4 years, even in a lower level position at the WH, like a photographer, can make a career.
kindness
All those ‘well intentioned’ people who are saying Joe Biden needs to step aside, and especially those that want to bypass Kamela for some Johnny Unbeatable are all helping and doing Donald Trump’s work for him. Those people are screaming out Democrats in disarray. They are diminishing Democrats status as reasonable leaders.
Yet they think we’re the problem. Oy Vey!
Gloria DryGarden
@Another Scott:
AMEN
Jerry
Jesus. The Lawyers Guns and Money blog has lost its freaking mind over the past few days. I normally like their takes over there, but god, they are done with Biden. What really makes me sad is that this place lost Cheryl Rofer to them.
rikyrah
@ColoradoGuy:
No lie told😒
stinger
@zhena gogolia: Seems like people who apparently never see Biden in any other context could at least wait until after the second debate to feel confident they are seeing a pattern.
People should just watch Astrid for an example of perseverance through difficulties. It’s on PBS right now!
YY_Sima Qian
@Jay: I am not taking the Axios “reporting” at face value, but combined w/ what New Deal Democrat mentioned about Obama giving Biden a nudge at an event, as if though it is not a new happenstance, makes me wonder. Plenty of such instances have been documented over the last couple of years. Plus the alarmed reactions from officials in allied/partner governments that should have no interest in facilitating a Trump victory.
Dems switching horses now is still political seppuku, but the Biden WH has better not been hiding the extend of Biden’s cognitive decline.
Gloria DryGarden
@SpaceUnit: or, just go to the act blue site directly.
Gretchen
@Devore: If you’ve been voting for Democrats for that long, you should remember the disastrous 1968 convention. Remember, the incumbent stepped down, and they threw out the primary winner, Gene McCarthy, for Hubert Humphrey, who didn’t run in any primaries? And all the “get clean with Gene” protesters outside the convention got beat up by police and refused to vote for the interloper, and there were literal fights on the convention floor? Yeah, let’s do that instead of having the committed delegates who won the primaries vote for the popular President and VP and start the election clean! That got us Nixon last time.
Gretchen
@Devore: You’re saying let’s replace the former Senator and AG and current VP with random other black woman with no political experience or interest in being VP because one black woman is a good substitute for another?
Jackie
@Jay: 👍🏻😂
wjca
Mostly, his reaction seems to be whining. Because all the stories are about Biden, and not about him. It will be no surprise if, should the media continue to harp about “Biden is old and should step aside”, TCFG does something spectacularly outrageous. Just to get the focus back on him. Of course, the Supreme Court could help him out with that.
SpaceUnit
@Gloria DryGarden:
Tried that. My computer usually highlights a site that I’ve visited before but it didn’t this time. That’s what made me wary.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@opiejeanne:
Now that you point that out, it just might be him…lol! The suggestion of Lyn Cheney as a replacement for Biden made me laugh and it’s something like what he used to do. I was great at spotting his trolling here but it’s been some time since he’s done that.
Or has it? :)
Gretchen
@YY_Sima Qian: Murdoch-owned WSJ says Biden didn’t do well at the G7. Nobody else did. You really want to make decisions based on what the Fox News universe tells you?
WaterGirl
What’s the old saying?
The people who know, aren’t talking. The people who are talking, don’t know.
Until Biden comes out and says “hell yes I’m still running for President”, everything we are reading is a mix of speculation, reputation building, ass-covering, payback, positioning, dirty tricks, I told you so, click bait, and ugly politics.
Jill Biden would kick Joe’s ass if he were trying to stay in office and couldn’t handle the job. Seriously. Does anybody doubt that?
All the spinning into a frenzy only helps one thing – Republicans. We are playing into their hands when we really need to be keeping our heads.
Chet Murthy
@Gretchen: OK, uh, I think maybe it’d be best to -ignore- Devore ? I mean, they’re suggesting:
I think Devore has lost the plot, maybe gotten a little unhinged. They should spend a couple of days chilling out.
NotMax
@stinger
Drama llamas (not directed at you) never sleep.
gwangung
@Chet Murthy: Naw….attention whore. None of his suggestions were serious.
Gloria DryGarden
@Devore: Michelle ain’t running
WaterGirl
@gwangung:
And it appears to be working.
Gretchen
@YY_Sima Qian: the only named quote is someone who worked in the WH years ago and left in 2022. The other “data point” is that he often lets the residence staff go home early. He’s famously considerate of the people working around him, including calling a lid so reporters can go home but Axios is spinning the consideration as proof that he’s going gaga. As Biden would say, c’mon, man!
SpaceUnit
I’m outa here. The handwringing is too much. This blog needs to recalibrate.
Maybe John could pull the plug, wait five minutes and then plug it in again.
ETA: Fuck.
YY_Sima Qian
@Gretchen: I’ve made my decision. I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Biden-Harris even if Biden is comatose. At this point, I don’t really care who is on the D ticket, could be a reanimated corpse, I am voting against Trump & the reactionaries. However, clearly not everyone we need to vote D feel that way. Too many people are under the misguided impression that proactively changing horses now will work to D’s benefit.
Also, Biden will still have to govern the country for another 4 years, & deal w/ all those foreign governments friend & foe, if he wins a 2nd term. If Biden wins but resigns a year or so in due to health reasons, so that Harris takes over, that’s OK, too. The Biden WH has better not been misrepresenting his ability to do so, though, it goes to their core credibility.
WaterGirl
@SpaceUnit: Yep. I just put up a new post – topic: anything except this.
If you’re saying “but what if it’s true”, then you’re part of the problem. I trust Joe Biden to do the right thing. I trusted him last week, and I still do. Steady as she goes.
wjca
@Devore:
When I read your first post, I assumed it was a piece of obvious sarcasm. Frankly, I was bemused at people taking it as seriously meant. Because it was so obviously ridiculous.
Turns out I was wrong and they were right. About you meaning it seriously, I mean. But it remains obviously ridiculous. Not to mention utterly divorced from reality.
About the only thing you get right is that defeating Trump is what matters. And then you suggest a plan which is even more disasterous than the simple “have Joe step aside and nominate someone [not Harris] else” suggestions. And that took work.
NotMax
@SpaceUnit
Hear ya loud and clear. And in full agreement about the repetition. It’s playing cards with a deck marked by Republicans.
I don’t chew my cabbage twice, much less a half dozen times.
;)
stinger
@WaterGirl:
Thank you.
Anotherlurker
I watched the first 20 minutes of the debate. I saw President Biden dealing with a cold . He was not at 100%.He was, however the only candidate who answered the questions. trump, on the other hand, mugged to the camera, spewed a word salad of lies, avoided the questions asked and insulted his opponent . Biden although handicapped by a cold, was the only candidate to exhibit knowledge and substance. the republican, on the other hand, proved himself to be a grifting clown, without a clue on actual policy. A traitor to this country..
Jackie
@WaterGirl: Droll humor! LOVE IT!
Aside question: What time are we expecting the unSupremes to release their final decision(s) tomorrow? Same time as usual? 7 a.m. Blog time? Or is it going to be a trickling of suspense/anticipation all day long?
eclare
@Gretchen:
Plus there was that video that was cropped showing Joe apparently wandering off before Italy’s PM pulled him back. Uncropped video shows him walking over to talk to sky divers that had just landed, and Italy’s PM pulling him back for a group photo.
Joe likes to talk to people. I’ve read that is also what happened with Obama and that fundraiser. Joe wanted to stay with the crowd, but they had an after-party to get to.
prostratedragon
Come what may, I sure am looking forward to tomorrow.
Elsewhere, I think I’ve mentioned before that Chicago is still a very Catholic town, to an extent younger people might not realize. Consider the matter of former Ald. Ed Burke of the Harold Washington “council wars” era. He has been grabbing at chuch connections to try to ease his sentence for corruption offenses. The current Cardinal is unlikely to help him much and many diocese charities could return his donations, but illustrates the way oldstyle Chicago politicians tried to mobilize public opinion in the past.
perilous
@Slightly_peeved: I’m a fat man and even I guffawed at this.
...now I try to be amused
@YY_Sima Qian:
Hell yeah. I was voting out of negative partisanship decades before I first heard the term. (Carter 1980 to be precise.)
WaterGirl
@Jackie: SCOTUS rulings come out at 10am blog time. aka Eastern time.
Frankensteinbeck
@WaterGirl:
Pretty sure he has.
Jay
@Chet Murthy:
Could be worse, some MSM pundit opined that the Democrat Party, (tell right there), should replace President Joe Biden with 34 Felonies, because he once claimed to be a Democrat.
Gloria DryGarden
My promised other comment. This is important. We need to focus. See watergirl’s post a few #s back.
LOVE POTIONS and SPELLS 101, AND USING WORDS OF POWER
Do Not create spell work, or magic to make johnny fall in love with you. You might end up w johnny, and that might be a bad thing, and it interferes with his free will.
INSTEAD, put your attention on the qualities you want. Call for that. Whether it’s love, that you imagine johnny might give you, but leave johnny out of it. The universe can do its work if we maintain focus on the qualities and outcomes you want. Or whether it’s a government that’s fair and effective, and maintains rights and sovereignty for most people, and you’re sure it’s your candidate who will bring it. (Or you’re sure it’s not, that guy but some other myriad possibilities)
(Yes of course, I’m ridin’ w Biden ).
know that you want a stable government that doesn’t, for the most part, do dictatorship things. Know you want the highest good for your country, and if you’re in the USA, you know it’s a bit crucial just now. We want civil rights, and due process, and and a say in the government.
you put those qualities at the front of your focus. You make your plan of action. You honor that the primaries are done. You honor the practical minded folk of color that are all in for Biden, you quit trying to distract everyone. You think ahead to 4, 8 years, and the qualities and processes you want. You quit trying to distract and tear down, at this late stage. Build something up. Let the conventions and the debates do their process. Joe or not joe, please quit being all divisive. We gave things to focus on.
In this situation, we’re betting on a horse in a close strange race, with big assed consequences. (My metaphors aren’t quite holding up.) But if you pray or light candles, do the thing w the qualities you want, and the highest good. If you don’t think there is a god, nor believe in anything bigger than your ego/ mind , then look to the big collective consciousness, and don’t try to tear it apart.
Heres a different metaphor: FIGURE SKATING
Im not kidding, I used to skate, take lessons, try to do the things. Sometimes I’d be setting to do a move, and right before I stepped into it, I’d think, oh, well I could do go this other move instead… that involved reshaping the way my body was aimed, a slight shift, in the precision of twists and counter twists necessary for the execution.
And when I tried to switch in the middle of what I was doing, once I was all set up… I fell on my ass. I couldn’t create a whole coherent set up at the last minute. Because you can’t. The set up started halfway across the rink when I was stroking toward the spot where I’d do my move, getting the right speed and etc.
i think it’s like that, I really do. We can’t just switch it over, at the last moments, or we’ll fall on our asses.
We don’t want the ass.
(And, many thanks to the person who donated boots for someone’s walk away)
sanjeevs
Ironic the WSJ attacking Biden when their own CEO is 93 years old. Buffett is a year older and still very much in day to day charge at Berkshire Hathaway.
Nobody worries too much about that because there are mechanisms in place in case the CEO is incapacitated or dies.
There are similar mechanisms in place in case the same happens to a President.
There are however no mechanisms in place to prevent Trump permanently fucking the planet.
Gloria DryGarden
Secondary metaphor,
cooking dinner, or making a cake, and suddenly you want to change the recipe, and you think you’re missing something, and you wished you’d thought of it before. and you think you’ll run to the store for some other ingredients. You just have to keep going with what you’ve got sometimes. It’s dinner time, guests are coming, use the ingredients you have on hand.
If we still have a democracy, we’ll be able to cook dinner again.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@WaterGirl:
I just heard on the radio that he’s staying in and that’s it. Let the hyperventilating of the Tonya Harding Democrats recommence!
Oh, that’s right… it never stopped.
YY_Sima Qian
@eclare: Good to know!
Sister Golden Bear
@Devore:
I’m sure Black folks, a core constituency of the party, will be enthusiastically on board with this. /s
FFS…
Miss Bee
@Jerry: Great post! Thank you for the pep talk. We need it.
Martin
@Gloria DryGarden: I don’t really think it’s needed, TBH. The drama around this is going to end tomorrow when the immunity decision is made and everyone needs to weigh in on how this impacts Trumps trials, what an absurd ruling it is, whether the remedy to an out-of-control USSC is for Biden to legally Seal Team 6 half of them.
And 10 days after that we get sentencing. There are shinier pennies coming.
Gloria DryGarden
@Martin: hope you’re right.
YY_Sima Qian
@Martin: The remedy is packing the courts, which of course still requires Ds winning the election to even be in the realm of remote possibility.
Slightly_peeved
@perilous:
i am ashamed of myself for thinking it, but not enough so to not say it. God knows people need a laugh right now.
Baud
I like Pelosi’s use of “intelligencia” there.
K-Mo
Finally some clear-eyed analysis!