Goddam right. Some of these anonymous “senior” Dems need to go on the record or shut their fucking pieholes. Also, what kind of weak-kneed fuck says shit like that? We’re a long way from the election. No matter your position on Biden being replaced by Harris, this just isn’t helping.
Not really related, but relevant, another panic has broken out over how the assassination attempt changes everything. The DC press is very open to pimping this narrative because a big part of their job is basically a body watch. Big media organizations pay big money that would be better spent elsewhere to make sure there’s someone around at all times in case some loon takes a shot at the President (or candidate for President). So they’re incredibly invested, literally, in an assassination attempt being the biggest moment on earth. Maybe they’re at least partially right (I doubt it), but someone from the gun party being hit with a bullet from their object of worship is certainly not a no-brainer good thing for Republicans.
Finally, speaking of the gun party, I had no dog in the Jamal Bowman primary fight — I figure his district can figure out whether they want him around for another term on their own. But if even 10% of the almost $16 million spent by AIPAC and allied groups against him was available for Lauren Boebert’s opponent, it would help at least keep Boebert’s head down and her mouth shut, especially since she got caught speeding in May and then didn’t pay the ticket.
I guess that’s a semi-random list, but that’s all I have on this gloomy Monday morning.
(The tweet is via Josh Marshall and the idea for the post title is from Atrios because it’s good.)
rikyrah
AOC making all kinds of sense.
These WATB need to STFU.
rikyrah
Not when so many, including myself, just don’t believe the genuineness of this.
I think it’s a fake and a phony.
Once again:
Split screen:
Reagan’s attempted assassination… vs what happened in Pennsylvania.
I don’t even need to give commentary.
The videos show the difference.
guachi
From Poltico:
“Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, convinced Biden will lose, has been working the phones since June 27 in hopes of finding a way to ease him off the ticket.”
rikyrah
Two people are dead. Literally dead.
$8 blue check mistermix
@rikyrah: Come on, man. That’s malarkey. Some disturbed kid with a YouTube gun humper channel T-shirt and an AR-15 shooting at Trump is the most believable thing, ever.
New Deal democrat
FWIW…
Here is a very good brief explanation from one of my favorite UK accounts , Olufemi Oluwale, of what should be the reaction by non-MAGAts to the assassination attempt on Trump:
nitter.poast.org/Femi_Sorry/status/1812530956848222450#m
Since he is in the UK, he has some rational “distance.” It’s only about 90 seconds long. Well worth a listen.
Dangerman
I may be missing something given I’ve been busy, but didn’t Clarence Thomas ask Cannon to give it a kiss and she obliged? Sure, she will get overturned, maybe even tossed off the case, but then that LMF (lucky MF) appeals to the USSC and it goes away. Pretty amazing.
I know Thomas wants to retire and sure as shit doesn’t want to have a Democrat replace him, but the corruption is so out in the open now. It’s “you think that’s corrupt, hold my beer” (or, in the case of Thomas, something else).
I heard that the LMF had a Spiritual Awakening from his near miss. Waiting to see it.
NotMax
For this week only, gonna refer to the city where the convention is being held as Malarkey.
Ishiyama
I do not understand why trolls even bother trying to poison the discourse on a website as obscure as this one. Get a life!
MisterForkbeard
@guachi: I would very much doubt this. What’s the source for this?
I would not be surprised if she’d been on the phones with people who WERE trying to get Biden off the ticket. I would be very surprised if she was trying to boot him off herself.
Hilbertsubspace
@$8 blue check mistermix: Rikyrah means the push to claim the attempt helps Trump is a false narrative.
Support is very baked in since this election is a rerun.
Manyakitty
@Ishiyama: seriously! They can take their pants-shitting and bed-wetting far away.
Omnes Omnibus
@guachi: Serious question: what are you trying to accomplish here and do you believe that you are succeeding?
scav
guachi guachi guachi goo! guachi guachi guachi goo! she’s teething again . . . .
$8 blue check mistermix
@MisterForkbeard: It’s a real Politico story: politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/15/republicans-trump-unity-column-00168219
@Hilbertsubspace: That sure wasn’t clear to me.
Eyeroller
There were comments on earlier threads that MSNBC pulled Morning Joe today. The network honchos said it was because they were afraid somebody might say something “inappropriate.” Instead it appears they are running various segments about the shooting, including Selena Zito pushing her latest Trump hagiography. (I don’t watch any cable news so this is just based on what I’ve read.)
Bill K
@guachi: That doesn’t mean it’s not fake. It just means Trump is willing to sacrifice his followers for a photo op. A 20 year old climbs on a nearby roof in full view of attendees. Law enforcement is alerted. There are snipers on another roof that can see this shooter. And he gets off 6 shots?!? The SS don’t immediately pull Trump out but let him stand around posing for the cameras??! No follow-up medical report!?!
Mike E
@rikyrah: I respect your retweets here so thank you for your takes … I truly believe speculating about Saturday’s events is a distraction from our fight against the Bloody Shirtwaist and we all need to hold off until verification of what really went down.
Uncertainty sucks, but TCFG is reeling right now and we must keep on slamming him with all the known knowns at our disposal.
ETA everybody keep replying to guachi like he wants you to. That’ll show him.
JPL
So does Vance arrive at trump’s side clean and shaven?
Putin must be so proud.
Eyeroller
@$8 blue check mistermix: There have been a lot of rumors about Obama and especially Pelosi trying to get rid of Biden. I have no clue where they originate (they’re all “unnamed sources”). I will say that Pelosi was extremely lukewarm in her comments the day of or the day after the Debate That Changed Everything. This would have been well before any polling could have incorporated it so that can’t enter into it. Her comment the other day, that she insisted was misconstrued, was something like “he’ll make his decision and we’ll go with that.” He had already stated he was staying in, but she was talking as though it wasn’t final, that it might change in the future.
As to Obama, I’ll just say that he didn’t write an op-ed for the NYT but one of his big-money stans did, and he wasn’t able to shut it down. Also his “guys” were among the first out of the gate and among the loudest and most prominent pushing for Biden to be replaced.
So I’m withholding judgement. I don’t trust Politico at all, but I’m not entirely sure I have full confidence in Pelosi or Obama right now.
guachi
@MisterForkbeard:
politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/15/republicans-trump-unity-column-00168219
Only 35% of Democrats are satisfied with their nominee. 62% want someone else The NBC poll had numbers from 2016 for Clinton and it was 55% satisfied.
Democrats want a change and Biden isn’t listening to them.
MisterForkbeard
@$8 blue check mistermix: That article is awful. Complete hagiography for Trump.
Even the section for Pelosi is completely unsourced. It just says “one of her colleagues saw her chatting with Hakeem Jeffries”. Followed up by: “I’m told by people familiar with the exchanges that she’s stage-managed phone calls to Jeffries, plotted strategy with the biggest names in Democratic politics and told one former elected official bluntly that Biden’s legacy can’t be destroying their party”. It also strongly implied Pelosi would deny this.
But even the quote above doesn’t back up the “working the phones to find him a way off the ticket” that the author just asserted. For fuck’s sake, Pelosi SHOULD be helping manage calls with Jeffries and working on strategy. This is literally her job.
The major point of the article is that Dems aren’t worried about Trump anymore and won’t back up Democrats when challenged because “the moat has been breached”. It’s… garbage tabloid stuff.
mrstealyourcostcosample
guachicoo…
The Politico story noted that Martin was told to expect more Democrats to be joining the anti-Biden camp immediately afterwards, and that didn’t happen.
There’s no appetite for the replacement.
Dagaetch
“senior” is different from “in the leadership”. I bet it’s a quote from one of the long-time folks who has been around forever and still can’t see that the world has changed. Looking at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seniority_in_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives, there’s a lot of Dems who could fit that description.
Manyakitty
@Eyeroller: oof. I bet they’ll have even more to say tomorrow.
TBone
@NotMax: 😆👍
MisterForkbeard
@guachi: So your point here is that despite your presentation of an incredibly awful debate and a three-week public freakout where the media has been rewarding dems that speak out… in 2016, Clinton could only scrape a bare majority and 45% of dems then wanted her out?
This is not a great argument. It indicates that the number really doesn’t matter much and that Dems routinely don’t back up their nominee. Which feels intuitively correct.
Dagaetch
@Eyeroller: Agreed, I’ve been disappointed in both of them. Less surprised by Pelosi – there’s probably a little “I was forced to step back because of my age, you should too” in there – but Obama should have come out strong in support of his former VP. I’m reminded of some rumors from their administration.
xephyr
Good thing I’m old and philosophical. If I was even ten years younger I’d have smoke coming out of my ears much of the time. P.S. AOC is a national treasure.
Soprano2
I don’t think that’s possible for such a huge narcissist as him. More like now he thinks he’s invincible, and that his victory is ordained by God.
scav
@Dagaetch: “Highly placed” just means they found one of the diner regulars sitting atop a step-ladder with a dem voter registration card filled out in crayon.
cain
@Omnes Omnibus:
I have no idea what this person’s game plan is. But they seem to be very invested in it. I don’t know what that is going to win – even if they convinced the whole blog – it’s not the own they think it is.
But I’m really good at scrolling past people I don’t care to read.
Juju
@rikyrah: the video shows that Trump is even more stupid than you ever thought. He raised his fist when he saw or heard that the gunman had been killed, without considering that there could have been more than one gunman. You could see the SS trying desperately to get Trump to put his head down. To me, that’s not a good look. He was willing to put his audience at more risk for a stupid looking tee shirt graphic. Also so much of what was said and done immediately after the assassination attempt doesn’t really hold up now that we know more about the gunman.
Trump is, deep in whatever is left of his heart and soul, if he ever had any of those qualities, a giant flaming asshole who only thinks of himself and power and how he can use it to his advantage, history, law and traditions be damned. Plus he is grossly incompetent at whatever he does, but doesn’t realize it or doesn’t care, and he lies all the time. I think when people start paying attention and remembering how awful it was, and each day was an oh crap, what has he done today sort of existence, that all this stuff going on won’t matter. All this stuff swirling around is just a distraction.
piratedan
I am not normally a ray of sunshine, when it comes to being a member of the Jackaltariat but I just want to share a few (okay, more than a few) thoughts about what we’re seeing transpire.
It feels like were in a maelstrom of information and instead of trying to deal with all of it, I want to narrow that focus a bit. Now if you choose to tell me that I am full of shit, so be it… yet this is where I am coming from.
polling – I am having hard time dealing with putting over much credence in one, who is being polled and two, how the questions are being asked. Some people say ignore the crosstabs and look at the top line. Okay, but if your top line only consists of 500 people surveyed and only three POC were included and only people with landlines were called… well I’m going to call bullshit on your top line. So, I’m not on board with every knee-jerk poll that comes along that gets dissected and extrapolated from. It’s all just more noise imho or so… “some people say”
voting/ballot box – this is what I am looking at. When people actually fill out the forms or drag themselves to a polling station and fucking vote. When we look at that, the numbers are tremendously positive, even in areas of supposedly deep red. this has been the case since Dobbs and I’d be remiss in not saying that the GOP at the state level has not moderated their position a damn.
ballot initiatives – Abortion is on the ballot and is in the process of being placed on the ballot in multiple states. Dobbs has awakened women young and old and the decision is to get the bodily autonomy back into the hands of women and decisions between her and their physician. That support shows up nationwide at roughly 60% and the vast majority of people know who is responsible for this situation as they have embraced it.
46 admin accomplishments – economy is improving, inflation is halted, interest rates are due to come down, debt forgiveness and lowered drug costs, climate change… all of that is positive.
project 2025 – all of this is an acknowledgement that they are going full fascist and it will be promoted thusly. The more people see of this, the more they absolutely hate it.
the media has been disenfranchising themselves at a rapid pace where there has been a decided move from people to get their information elsewhere because of what people see and hear do not match what is being reported. Anonymous sources be damned.
DJT/GOP – after watching the last eight years, how anyone thinks that they’ve “picked up” undecided voters is a stretch. Their game plan is to depress Democratic turnout, period.
in short, I am not on board with the media telling me how to feel. I am on board by tangible results that we’ve seen at the ballot box and that people are engaged in such a matter that they are organizing and addressing their needs directly by placing their issues on the ballot themselves since legislatures have shown themselves to be tainted.
cain
@guachi: You know? I don’t care. You can make whatever arguments you want, I’m not going to give one whit. Your arguments are not swaying me. I think if we did a pollon this blog, we will find that 89% don’t believe you. If so, will you keep quiet if the polls are against you? I mean, you are soooo poll oriented you know.
Soprano2
I also say “Good for AOC” because she’s saying what I think. If they’re too cowardly to put their name to a statement like that then they should STFU, because they’re not helping at all! In what universe would any Democrat think making a statement like that to the press is helpful?
Harrison Wesley
@Manyakitty: No, I think it takes all of us straining together to pass this excremental crisis. Team, team, team!
LadySuzy
@Eyeroller: Obama has such good political instincts that in 2016 he pushed aside Biden in favor of Hillary Clinton.
Juju
@Eyeroller: I think when Nancy Pelosi made her statement on Morning Joe she was probably tired and having a senior moment. I think she didn’t remember the letter. If you look at that video she wasn’t her usually well put together self. For her it was kind of disheveled. Very much unlike her usual self.
piratedan
@LadySuzy: Joe decided not to run because he was mourning the death of his son. I think Obama respected that position and threw his support behind Ms. Clinton.
ArchTeryx
I will say a couple personal things.
Thank you to those that responded to me in the previous thread. It helps me feel less alone during this really perilous time.
And I’m with Biden all the way. Believe me, even if the stakes weren’t so high, I am a yellow-dog Democrat, and the panic over what would happen to me if TCFG wins is far greater than even the stampede over the whole “Biden’s too old” evergreen narrative. Whoever gives us the best chance to win and that’s the incumbent. Especially in an election where, effectively, two incumbents are having a freaking rematch – when has that ever happened in American history? We give up the advantage of incumbency, we give up the election. So I’m ridin’ with Biden to the end of the line.
The privileged twits that say otherwise can all go straight to hell. As can the ones already giving up the fight. It’s a marvelous privilege, treating an election for the future of American Democracy as just another shitposting contest.
Mousebumples
@piratedan: good summary/break down. Thanks for this!
Harrison Wesley
@Dagaetch: I thought “senior” is a word that Our Liberal Media uses when they’re pretending they don’t mean “OLD.”
Jinchi
At this point, I’m positive that all of the “We’re Doomed” quotes from anonymous Democrats appearing in the headlines are from five or six guys who like to see their quotes in the paper, and the press is happy to keep them anonymous, because it looks like there are hundreds of them.
It reminds me of the leadup to the Iraq war, where every high level leak about WMD was really just Dick Cheney, who’d then go on Russert’s show to talk about the things he read about in the paper that morning.
TBone
Dag, they stole my postcards idea from yesterday 😆 Whelp, this roundup will make for easy printing! Rethug pols’ Family Christmas photo shoots with Jesus-approved weapons of death, WOO HOO
x.com/fake_biden/status/1812384902966624465
prostratedragon
Magdi Jacobs has been reading. I particularly like this:
ArchTeryx
@Jinchi: Color me shocked that Dick Cheney was his own sockpuppet.
Miss Bianca
@Ishiyama: iKR?! Tis a mystery!
Kristine
Bringing this up from the previous thread. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.
jonas
That would of course immediately end any Democrat’s career, but I don’t make the rules.
Juju
@LadySuzy: No he didn’t. Biden had just lost his older son, and you could tell by listening to what he said and by his demeanor, that his grief was overwhelming him at the time.
Hilbertsubspace
@LadySuzy: Please never repeat this lie on this site.
Lapassionara
@piratedan: thank you.
guachi
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m trying to get people who claim to be hardcore Democrats to see what actual Democrats want. Are you going to listen to voters or ignore them?
I’m trying to get people to see that the polls all have Biden losing and doing far worse than Senate candidates. E.g., a YouGov poll out minutes ago showing Biden losing 7 states he won in. 2020. He’s down 7 in Arizona while Gallegos is up 7 in the same poll. That’s not a problem with Democrats. It’s a problem with Biden.
People think Biden is too old. A recent poll showed only 13% think he isn’t too old. What’s your plan to make Biden younger?
tam1MI
I should probably add one last thing to my report about my talks with my lefter-than-me friends this weekend. They all said they would hold their nose and vote for Biden. I got a very different response when I brought up the name of the only person who could logically replace him on the ballot, Kamala Harris. ALL the old hits against her came out and were voiced as indisputable truths. She went after black people harder than white people. She slept her way to the top. She’s the worst Vice President in the history of the country. She is not qualified to be President. And on and on and on and on. What started as a polite exchange of views suddenly turned into a Two Minute Hate. And worse, almost all those statements ended with, “If the DNC inflicts her on us after ousting Biden, I stay home in November”.
The Coup D’etat Caucus is playing with fire here. They have to be stopped before we all get burned.
Manyakitty
@Juju: I noticed that as well.
JWR
@Dangerman:
I saw a headline at NBC saying that since the shooting, Trump has toned down a big chunk of his speech. But I’m with you, still waiting to see it.
Jinchi
@ArchTeryx: The worst part is that Russert knew he was doing it and played along the whole time.
Matt McIrvin
AOC’s funding pitch ads on Facebook have been saying wise things too. Now, they’re attached to requests for donations to AOC’s campaign which I’m not sure is the best way on margin for a random Democrat to spend limited campaign funds (is her general election seat in much danger?) But I appreciate the sentiments.
Chris Johnson
It’s quite safe for AOC to say that to an ‘unnamed incredibly senior official you guys’ that the MSM has Made The Fuck Up.
AOC is on the inside of things. She wouldn’t have filed impeachment against Supreme Court Justices without getting the administration’s okay. She gets the honor of striking that blow. She knows full well this is a pile of made-up shit and is calling it out.
Eyeroller
@Juju: So are we thinking there’s a bit of projection involved here with Nancy?
I thought I’d heard that her husband had some dementia, which a hammer to the skull would not have helped. It’s been said that he’s never really recovered. Dagaetch said there may also be some bit of “I was forced to step back because of my age, you should too.” I smelled a whiff of that, though I don’t think she was “forced” except in the sense that she felt she couldn’t stay on top of her game anymore.
Bupalos
As a resident sour puss that thinks our odds have always been 50/50 or worse, and that the challenge of Biden’s age related decline is very serious for us and will probably get worse….I DON’T think the shooting will likely redound to Trump’s benefit at all. If I had to bet, I think I’d give a marginal benefit to Biden. The politics everyone thinks Trump can play here are simply not available to a post-truth right wing authoritarian that is not currently in power. Friends and foes alike understand Trump as a chaos agent, and I think the larger the shadow political violence casts, the less a chaos agent seems desirable.
Belafon
@Ishiyama: Because they couldn’t make it at bigger ones.
jonas
Where the hell does this come from? Biden didn’t run because he was still grieving his son’s death and didn’t think he had it in him.
guachi
@tam1MI:
Your friends really seem to hate the person Biden hand-picked to be his successor in case he died. Do they think it negatively reflects on Biden’s judgment at all that he’s picking someone so unqualified again to be his VP?
Eyeroller
@Matt McIrvin: They can donate their funds to other members of the House in their party, as I understand it. She is a better fundraiser than a lot of them.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@piratedan:
voting/ballot box. We have the money, experience and expertise in GOTV whereas they are doing this:
washingtonmonthly.com/2024/06/20/donald-trumps-get-out-the-vote-plan-is-bonkers/
We obviously need to execute but we’re setting up to do exactly that.
ballot initiatives – Abortion is on the ballot and is in the process of being placed on the ballot in multiple states.
Just rechecked this. As of last week, there are 5 states that have an abortion-rights initiative confirmed and slated to be on the ballot. There are 6 in which signatures have been submitted but those states are still in the vetting process before determining their final ballot status.
In NV (one of the 5 states), this is only the first go-round to get the initiative passed. It has to go to a statewide vote twice. In Floriduh (also one of the 5 states) it needs 60% to pass.
But as you point out, abortion-rights ballot initiatives scare the GQP shitless because they’ve seen what’s happened electorally in states like blood-red KS.
46 admin accomplishments –
I hesitate to use the old “Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?” because the informational-delivery environment is so changed that making that yes/no question somewhat problematic. But the campaign will flog those accomplishments constantly.
Fingers crossed.
Archon
@guachi: Obviously you have somebody in mind that should be at the top of the ticket and that person isn’t Kamala Harris because you would have made that clear in your 10 posts a day, “we are doomed with Biden” comments.
Geminid
@Bill K: One counterpoint: Trump is a physical coward who would be unlikely to go along with such a scheme.
Another: such an operation would require more than three conspirators and it’s hard for just two people to keep a secret.
Eyeroller
@JWR: Because that’s what Trump said and the MSM will always take him at his word.
But not to worry, he’s back on Truth Social posting his grievances again. “Unity” means “stop opposing me” and “get rid of all my legal problems.”
Chris
@Jinchi:
You’re assuming that any of these quotes is even real in the first place.
The whole idea of Biden stepping down after one term comes from a single Politico article quoting four anonymous sources (not separately; literally just one sentence quoting “four anonymous sources”). Considering how incredibly flimsy a basis that is, versus how the entire national media just went absolutely wild about it, I’m fairly certain that a bunch of pundits were just bursting to tell that story, and Politico just invented the quote out of thin air. Who’s going to fact-check it and how, after all?
Bupalos
@Chris Johnson: My tea leaves from AOC’s public statements and mix of silence and volume read thusly: she would have liked him to bow out while positively managing the transition to a new candidate, and once she determined that was off the table, she took the next best option- support Joe and do what she can to get a preferred pivot and a leadership position in that pivot.
“You won’t bow out, ok, but let us run against the SC”- something Biden has long resisted.
guachi
@scav:
You have insults. I have polls. The problem isn’t the message. It’s the messenger. From YouGov today.
Arizona 🟥 Trump +7
Nevada 🟥 Trump +5
Wisconsin 🟥 Trump +5
Georgia 🟥 Trump +4
N.C. 🟥 Trump +4
Pennsylvania 🟥 Trump +3
Michigan 🟥 Trump +1
Arizona 🟦 Gallego +8
Nevada 🟦 Rosen +7
Wisconsin 🟦 Baldwin +8
Pennsylvania 🟦 Casey +12
Michigan 🟦 Slotkin +9
Renie
@LadySuzy: That’s not true. Stop with the bullshit
Martin
@Bupalos: Yeah, that’s my read. And I agree with her.
Soprano2
@Juju: I noticed that too, and wondered why she went on camera looking like that.
Miss Bianca
@piratedan: that sounds so…reasonable. are you sure you’re a jackal?/
cain
@guachi:
I have a plan, but I’m waiting on poll numbers to see if I can go ahead with it. But it will make Biden younger, absolutely positively. You won’t even believe the difference. But ::hushed whisper:: “It’s super super secret, you can’t leak it ok?”
Soprano2
@tam1MI: I have found it interesting that the people I’ve heard promoting getting rid of Biden in favor of Harris (or some other unnamed Democrat) aren’t willing to engage with the idea that getting Harris elected might be a harder lift than getting Biden elected. To them she’s youthful and inspiring and a breath of fresh air, but they don’t stop to think how the majority of voters might see her, especially after Biden was pushed out in favor of her.
Elizabelle
@piratedan: Great comment.
Chris Johnson
@tam1MI: Could have told you that might happen. The reason is, the same propaganda mills trying to build pressure for Biden to step down, are the same ones that targeted Clinton, and that kneecapped Warren (specifically the left-leaning aspects of the machine! I watched it happen), and that have been building this narrative for Harris.
This is why the whole thing is a big work. It’s planned, and it’s a load of bullshit. There’s time to straighten things out so Harris can run in 2028, and best to keep someone who’s been getting all the White House briefings for eight years running, but this is why it’s good your friends didn’t buy the first prong of the pokey thing. They got impaled on the second, without noticing.
It’s set up. We’ve even got working trolls here, in an incredibly unrewarding environment, just pushing these narratives. It’s Putin’s best shot at survival, otherwise there just wouldn’t be the persistence. Literal warfare has gone much worse for him.
Soprano2
@JWR: That means nothing. His prepared speeches are often much less bombastic than the stuff he says at rallies.
Soprano2
@Eyeroller: As a person dealing with a spouse who has dementia, I can say that Nancy would absolutely need to step back from leadership if this was the case, even with the money she has. This stuff is unpredictable and exhausting at times. Having to be in D.C. all the time under these circumstances would be untenable.
Bupalos
@Chris Johnson: My tea leaves from AOC’s public statements and mix of silence and volume read thusly: she would have liked him to bow out while positively managing the transition to a new candidate, and once she determined that was off the table, she took the next best option- support Joe and do what she can to get a preferred pivot and a leadership position in that pivot.
“You won’t bow out, ok, but let us run against the SC”- something Biden has long resisted but obviously opened up with the immunity decision.
Mike E
@Eyeroller: Nancy Pelosi at the age of 84 still has more game than any two Dem lawmakers and she’s earned the right to be called emeritus or whatever title they want to bestow on her. I’d watch for the gang to come together right before their convention. This palace intrigue stuff really binds my cheese.
Miss Bianca
@Bupalos: you thought the ice-cold hot take that you pulled out of your ass smelled so awesome that we had to see it again?
ArchTeryx
@Jinchi: The press wanted to get their war on, and they were willing to do literally anything to manufacture consent.
Chris Johnson
@Miss Bianca: Heh, I noticed that too.
Citation needed. I mean, one of the first things that happened to AOC in Washington was she got up to speed under the wing of Nancy Pelosi, and to her amazement learned that Nancy was awesome. I’d need to see some proof that she’s not also very impressed with Joe Biden. Hell, I’m more impressed with Joe every week.
MisterForkbeard
You know, I’m not really that concerned about Biden. What makes me upset is when Democrats flip the fuck out and start panicking.
Seriously, asshats. Just stop undermining the ticket and watch what happens. Because it is too late for anything else.
Bupalos
@Martin: I do too. There’s no way to get to a candidate that isn’t maimed without Biden’s enthusiastic cooperation. I’d like to get there… but it’s not realistic.
The last week should remind us there is an eternity to go here. The only thing we can be practically sure of is that things may look different tomorrow.
rikyrah
@guachi:
” Acceptable casualties’.
The shooter was a true believer for the cause.
You don’t think that anyone setting this up would care about casualties.
Chris Johnson
@MisterForkbeard: Just keep firmly in mind that unsourced claims from the New York Times that ‘all democrats have flipped out and are panicking!’ are worth the dead fish that nobody even wants to buy that paper to wrap in.
Sorry. Unduly poetic. ‘worth shit’, let’s say. You cannot go by anybody who’s saying ‘are you worried that all these other unsourced people are desperately worried? Aren’t you very concerned?’.
Such an old trick it’s even got a troll breed after it. That’s how predictable that is. The only difference is ramping it up way past the point of plausibility, and to me that’s a sign of desperation.
Bupalos
@MisterForkbeard: It’s really not too late. 3 weeks from now it’s mostly too late.
But it’s also never time, without Biden’s agreement. Without some further major event it seems that’s not happening.
rikyrah
@Hilbertsubspace:
The Secret Service has been suspect for me ever since that second shoe got to Shrub Bush….
to this day, I never accepted that. They didn’t know that those shoes weren’t covered in some sort of poison. And, they didn’t even attempt to shoot the thrower.
...now I try to be amused
@ArchTeryx:
In 1892 Democrat Grover Cleveland won his unique second non-consecutive term, defeating incumbent Republican Benjamin Harrison in a rematch of the 1888 election. Incidentally, Harrison won in 1888 despite losing the popular vote.
guachi
@cain:
So are politicians. They see the same polls we do and they see many internal polls we don’t.
Ignoring the polls and pretending they are all wrong is magical thinking. The problem with Biden is voters think he’s too old. It’s an unfixable problem because you can’t make Biden younger.
Eyeroller
@MisterForkbeard: Whatever we may think about Pelosi and Obama (and it’s all just speculation), there was definitely a bedwetter caucus and an excessive amount of leaking to the press, starting immediately after the debate. Then the drip-drip-drip of Dem Reps writing “tots and pears but we don’t want you to run” letters, and what I still think was lukewarm backup from the big names. All that helped to keep the press crusade fueled. They should have STFU and all sung from the same hymnal and backed up Joe when he really needed it. Instead he got repeatedly stabbed in the back. No wonder his polls went down.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@tam1MI:
I’d be one of your “leftier-than-me” friends the anecdotes about conversations over the last couple of weeks some of us bring to the table are interesting.
Denver is “blue” but it’s a pale, water-color wash of blue driven by the massive gentrification of various metro areas along the Front Range since the tail end of the Great Recession. Different screed for a different day.
Prime examples of that underlying “blue-but-only-so-blue” are our two members of the Tonya Harding Dems Club, senior senator Michael Bennett and nice, entitled white lady representing the 7th House district, Brittany Petterson. Hard to say if their views represent the bulk of their constituents but one can see how that might be.
And yet, during casual conversations with non-black folks (who have been having none of this Replace Joe shit) is general support for the ticket as is, no change, mainly because people express the view that any change as the clusterfuck that it would be. Everybody’s simply quiet on Harris as if they don’t really care.
Now, I also travel, online, with the Horseshoe Left and I’ve found their reactions instructive. Of course they’re all “Genocide Joe” but at some marginal level, they express some level of support for Harris over Biden.
But I know the Horseshoe Left all too well and know they’d never vote for a Dem for president. I relate cuz their reaction (I’d think they’d jump on the “she prosecuted black folks harder than white folks” talking point) has somewhat surprised me.
Chris Johnson
@rikyrah: By the way, rikyrah, on the subject of the shooty drama, I wanted to add: I don’t know what the hell went on. I daresay you don’t either, and that’s fine. It’s not my job to come up with a good explanation for whatever the hell that was.
It IS perfectly valid for both you, and I, to look at it and go ‘what the actual hell was that?’. Because that was just fucking impossibly weird on so many levels, defying any sensible explanation. I don’t know whether I think it was a hard-right lunatic, or some kind of work, or WHAT the hell happened, but the one thing I know it ain’t, is the way the MSM are busily spinning it. They have the same line as Russian state media. That’s… curious. Not to say bullshit.
I don’t know what happened but you’re absolutely right that it’s RIDICULOUS to take that at face value. May we some day have a clue as to what the hell was that.
Yeeeeaaaaaah, the nearly 80 year old man bursts through a pack of Secret Service agents like the Kool-Aid man, to wave a mighty fist for the camera that just happens to be there to frame him against the sky… like you say GETOUTTAHERE with that shit.
rikyrah
@Bill K:
Thank you.
Bupalos
@Chris Johnson: I think people badly overestimate the degree to which Pelosi’s “green dream or whatever” was just digested happily by AOC over time. AOC isn’t stupid and knows she was too weak to win that round. She also isn’t stupid, and knows the lack of prioritization of climate change among the political generation above her remains an existential threat.
les
Fearless prediction: the anonymous dem is an old white guy. I’m happy with Biden as prez & as candidate, I think the doom is overblown for a bunch of reasons. But we’d all be better off if we could get rid of a buttload of old white Dem senators.
Thus ends the opinion of an old white guy.
Chris Johnson
@Eyeroller: Polls have gone up. Not down.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Eyeroller:
@Matt McIrvin:
Yes, and it’s a great way to accumulate influence in the House & Senate. Conversely, those who are good at raining money but don’t share are missing out on a good opportunity to increase their reach.
tam1MI
It will be a harder lift for anyone. One of the things that keeps stymying the Coup D’etat Caucus is that no other Democrat polls better than Biden nationally. Like Harris, no other Democrat has gone through a primary where the strikes against them were thoroughly aired and they had a chance to make their case to the Democratic Party and the American people as to why they should run the country. They haven’t been vetted at all.
Eyeroller
@Chris Johnson: At least a few members of the press are starting to ask about getting a medical report on Trump. The big outlets are staying mum, however.
After examining what people with actual experience say, there’s no way Trump was actually grazed in that manner by a rifle projectile. It would have shredded his ear and probably also all the skin around it. So I’m back to the “splinter of glass” hypothesis. If it was a good-sized chunk it would be like getting cut by a knife. But it doesn’t fit his heroic narrative, which is now turning into “he was shot in the head.” Give me a break.
Bupalos
@rikyrah: Snap out of it. You’re among the more practical-minded commenters here. Conspiracy bullshit is beneath you.
the pollyanna from hell
Yesterday in church I saw the guest preacher go full fascist. She called the demonic toddler “our president.” And then she took some genocide out of Joshuas invasion and applied it today. “Just think, if the Lord gave us permission to invade Summerville, we could take any houses we need without having to build them. We could take all the food, and all the the harvest without having to sow or till.”
Eyeroller
@Chris Johnson: They were at best stable for two weeks and it did look like there was a small dip, but they didn’t crater and yet everybody was running around like the proverbial headless chickens as if he was down double digits. And lots of parrots yelling “Swing states! Swing states!”
Bupalos
@Eyeroller: this fixation mystifies me. How one could think they knew about what a bullet graze can and cannot do is one part of that. The other is just wtf difference it’s supposed to make.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@the pollyanna from hell:
We can’t tax churches fast enough.
Eyeroller
@Bupalos: That he’s lying? Again? Look at what I said, his surrogates are running around claiming he was “shot in the head.” Edit: also it is a plausible explanation that is not a conspiracy theory or “setup” or “false flag” to explain what seem to be really minor injuries from a high-velocity projectile passing that close to his ear.
les
@guachi: Here, have a poll, big guy, per Greg Sargent:
Remarkable finding in new Marist poll: By 68-32, voters say they’re more concerned about a president who doesn’t tell the truth than one who is too old to serve.
Like every other bedwetter I see, you don’t bother to tell us who would do better; and I have no doubt you have a large stash of polls to show that no Democrat could possibly win a presidential election.
So, what’s your fucking point?
Chris Johnson
@Bupalos: Nonsense. If you think rikyrah is out of line you should see what Black Twitter gets up to :D
I have seen a whole skit with DOZENS of people acting out the scene, where Trump drops down and they hastily set him up with a sharp thing to do a wrestling ‘cut’ on his ear, and then all stand him up again and guide him through the fist pumping and shouting of ‘fight fight fight’ while collectively aiming him for the camera and making space, and then busily hustle him away. It was a whole skit by, like I said, dozens of people in Black Twitter. It was funny as hell.
Snap out of it, my very white ass. You are high if you think you can take all that at face value. That’s the one thing we know we CANNOT believe. We just don’t have much of a clue as to what we even can.
rikyrah
@mrstealyourcostcosample:
For the replacement that they never name.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@rikyrah: It’s possible it was rank incompetence & poor planning, flavored with inadequate communication between the Secret Service detail and local law enforcement.
But Trump’s campaign is full of people who though the plan Gordon Liddy & E Howard Hunt came up with to assassinate Jack Anderson was the height of genius, so I can’t rule anything out.
I doubt we will know more this week.
jimmiraybob
@the pollyanna from hell:
Is this a denominational church?
Hilbertsubspace
@rikyrah: I enjoy reading your posts, and I love the energy you bring. But we are going to disagree on this.
A crazy 20 year old gun nut republican tried* to assassinate Trump. It was dumb luck that he got into a spot to take the shots, and dumb luck that he missed.
*I believe there is less than a 1% chance that he decided to sacrifice himself for Trump in a “For My Lord” moment. But his actions are insane either way.
Bupalos
@tam1MI: I’ll engage with that idea. I think it may be the same lift, I doubt it really improves chances at the presidency much, maybe not at all. I think what it does more than anything else is insulating against a risk of those chances slipping further and taking the senate with it. I do not believe Biden is likely to avoid further deterioration in the polls due to… further deterioration. We’re staking the party’s credibility on a bet that an 81 year old that is showing signs of slipping with his communication is not going to decline from here. Letting alone the bet for the presidency that he will improve from here. I don’t like either bet.
but again, Joe’s call. We cannot get to a better place without his active cooperation.
tam1MI
I think the reason the More-Lefters are opposing ousting Biden is because they know they are next on the list for the Coup D’Etat Caucus if the junta gets their way.
Chris Johnson
@Bupalos: Um. Joe has been a stutterer ALL his life, and a bionic gaffe machine.
Ya pretending you didn’t know that, now? You’ve had plenty of time to notice.
Geminid
@Chris Johnson: The process you describe did not occur first thing. It took the June, 2019 blowup over emergency border funding to clarify the relations of “the Squad” and other Progressive Caucus members with the majority led by Speaker Pelosi. That was a very rancorous 9 days, but I think the two wings of the House Caucus came out of them more unified. That unity stood the Pelosi’s caucus in good stead in the next Congress, when Pelosi helped pass major legislation with only a 5 vote majority.
One result of the 2019 brouhaha: Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff and press secretary left her employ soon after. They’d been instrumental in her primary victory over Joe Crowley, but they made a lot of enemies during Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s first months after she won election.
Eyeroller
@Chris Johnson: Also, aside from that horrendous two weeks, Joe’s polls are not deteriorating. People keep repeating this but it has no basis in fact.
Swing states! Swing states! Squawk! Internal polls!
the pollyanna from hell
@jimmiraybob: was UM, but disaffiliated over gay marriage. Guest preacher was Baptist. Regular preacher extremely self-disciplined to be overtly gentle to everyone.
Sister Golden Bear
@Eyeroller: Pelosi had planned to retire as Speaker in 2016. She’s explicitly said she stayed on because Trump won.
Not just because she was the most gifted Speaker in a generation and her talents were needed, but also too spend more time developing the next generation of Dem leadership.
Chris Johnson
@tam1MI: I hang with some of those folks too. The ones I see getting bullied into bad narratives are being given NO options, so to them it’s vote blue or just plain don’t because we’re all utterly doomed anyway (sound familiar?), with a big ol’ dose of Genocide Joe from the time when the puke-funnel was feeding them that 24/7, only to flip immediately post-debate.
They aren’t very good at politics. Certainly don’t know about Joe forcing Netanyahu to not bomb Iran back after Iran struck Israel back etc etc.
Could be worse, the ones I see are just too gay or disabled or whatever, to be groomed into Groypers or Tate fans. Some people, the only enemy action that works on them is just discouraging them in general, because if they’re alive and have one good finger they’ll vote blue.
Geminid
@the pollyanna from hell: These folks have been on the edge for so long it’s not surprising this weekend’s events would push them.over.
Chris Johnson
@Sister Golden Bear: I think she succeeded. She sure helped the Squad be better Democrats. In return, the Squad can do stuff mainline Dems might not want to get mixed up in. Doesn’t hurt AOC to go after corruption. She doesn’t have a ‘normie’ flank to protect.
Bupalos
@Chris Johnson: You can put anything followed by the word Twitter and you lost me. Algorhythmic approval-seeking follower-thirst is the stock in trade of Musk and Putin and is measurably lowering human intelligence and ability to separate truth from fiction.
UncleEbeneezer
The same kind of weak-kneed fucks who have been pushing these same exact sentiments (or defend those that do so), right here at BJ, for two damn weeks. Whether it’s an anonymous Dem Congressperson or a “good person” here at BJ, it’s asshole behavior that damages and divides our coalition and helps Trump, plain and simple.
stacib
trump picks J.D. Vance. Anybody care???
Chris Johnson
@Geminid: Bernie had to shed staffers as well, and some of them stink up the joint to this day. I worked for Bernie in NH. In retrospect, it is very obvious how much of his run was not CREATED, but FURTHERED, by Russian schemers. I think if I’d known, I would have bailed and not helped him.
He had to cut them out of his staff, and he did. They’re the names that Dem opponents knew full well were suspicious, plus a few others. They’ve not gained traction since then.
This is one reason I tend to play spot-the-Russian-troll. I was there. I failed to spot ’em when it might have mattered. Did straighten my act out afterward, as did Bernie.
There are tells. ‘Civil war’. ‘Anti-vaxx’. ‘Stop the Steal’. ‘Force the Vote’.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@UncleEbeneezer:
👍
Juju
@piratedan: The weird thing about the polling in some states that I question, is the people who say they will vote for the senate candidate and for the repeal of statewide abortion bans, but then supposedly don’t support Biden. It doesn’t make sense. If Trump becomes president and he calls for a national total abortion ban, the state abortion ban repeal becomes moot because federal supersedes state. He would probably do it by executive order, if he doesn’t have majorities, and the Supreme Court would let him.
Captain C
@the pollyanna from hell:
So they’re getting a personal (or godly) exemption from “Thou Shalt Not Steal”, that is, presumably one of the 10 Commandments that they want to hang in every school? Also, how do they expect to get food next year having exterminated the Summerville residents?
les
@Bupalos: ” I’ll engage with that idea. I think it may be the same lift, I doubt it really improves chances at the presidency much, maybe not at all. I think what it does more than anything else is insulating against a risk of those chances slipping further and taking the senate with it.”
Why would you think that? It won’t be the same lift, it’ll be much worse. “Joe’s old” is baked in; if you think the right wing noise machine isn’t prepped with an equivalent line of vicious bullshit for whoever you think would be better (the ever unnamed unbeatable), I…gotta doubt it. So we get 4 months to try to counter a whole new set of lies and attacks, and a great chance that Biden primary voters and lots of other possible Dems go ” fuck this cowardly shit, I’m stayin’ home.”
If unbeatable isn’t Kamala, kiss the black vote goodby, and well earned. I admire her tremendously, she’s being a great VP, but if it is-sorry, I see no way in the flaming blue halls of hell this country elects a black woman president.
End of the day: Joe’s no older than when the “he’s old, he’s old” chants started; he’ll still pick great people to actually run shit; and he still knows how to corral the other aged shits in the senate.
Bupalos
@jonas: mmmmm… maybe. It could also be that Obama was his meal ticket and Obama was sticking to the deal to call of the PUMA’s in 2008.
I can’t offer this authoritatively, but I believe conventional wisdom was that Obama did indicate for Clinton before Biden decided. Certainly might have been better all around if Biden had hit the 2016-2024 window.
Juju
@tam1MI: I would have said two words. Mike Pence.
TBone
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: AMEN to that!
tam1MI
@Juju: My response was, “Dan Quayle would like a word…”
Chris
@Juju:
I mean, the most reasonable explanation for that if it’s true is simply that Biden has been under four years of so much sustained media fire that they’ve managed to make a bunch of mushy swing voters decide that he specifically is bad even if you support abortion and your state’s candidate. Which isn’t the craziest thing in the world. Swing voters are the dumbest creatures in politics, and the phenomenon of “I hate most politicians but my state’s person in particular is awesome” is pretty well attested.
The question then, though, is why every other potential Democratic presidential candidate polls about the same as Biden.
Cacti
Concerning the newest development in the Trump prosecution, I might just mention here that all of this could have been avoided if Merrick Garland hadn’t been a giant chickenshit and punted the case after sitting on it for two fucking years.
There aren’t enough unkind things that can be said about Garland and his fecklessness.
Harrison Wesley
@the pollyanna from hell: Summerville is on the West Bank? I’ll be damned.
Bupalos
@les: we’ll, I just don’t agree with much of that assessment. That something is “baked in” for Biden doesn’t mean it isn’t huge, doesn’t mean it can’t get worse, and doesn’t mean it doesn’t bake out for Kamala if she replaces him and doesn’t mean it doesn’t then stick to Trump.
We don’t know, and shouldn’t pretend we do. Kamala would have a slightly different constituency, but we don’t really know exactly how, or how Trump’s attacks would be perceived. We also don’t know that black voters would prioritize punishing dems over voting against Trump or even that they would overwhelmingly prefer Kamala if given a choice. That demo preferred both Biden and Bernie to her in the 2019 primary I believe. No reason not to find out.
I do understand the vehemence and bewilderment that we’re even fucking around with these thoughts, but the basic division there is just people who still think Biden’s odds are pretty good and people who just don’t.
the pollyanna from hell
@Captain C: She said 3.5 million runaway slaves were supported by miraculous means in the wilderness until the invasion began. After the invasion they would have to farm, but the homesteading would already be done by previous (murdered? or merely enslaved?) inhabitants.
Ishiyama
Polemics! Philippics! Scandal, controversy, & bloodshed! Welcome to politics; it was Mr. Dooley who said it first: Politics ain’t beanbag. The long-term left remembered Joe Biden’s bad early record, and held it against him in 2000. But once he was the candidate, their leaders (Bernie, AOC, others) got behind him, in order to preserve their influence in the new administration. This dump Joe campaign comes as a golden opportunity for the left to have a greater say in policy, both for the campaign and in office after victory. That, itself, sufficiently explains their current support.
Dennis Doubleday
Why would AIPAC spend against Boebert? AIPAC’s priority is Israel, and they will level anybody, Dem or GOP, who doesn’t get on board with that. Boebert will say whatever Donald says.
jimmiraybob
@the pollyanna from hell:
I hang with a UCC crowd that is very diverse and accepting and fought the good fight over Trump-deportation madness (kept a good man in sanctuary and close to family for three years). I am always mystified that so many “Christians” miss the whole NT Christ parts. Of course, this applies to the last 2,000 years too.
Geminid
@Chris Johnson: “Blue MAGA” is another tell.
Eyeroller
@the pollyanna from hell: I don’t understand this. What is Summerville? What slaves? Is this some allusion to Gaza?
Captain C
@the pollyanna from hell: That’s just messed up. Also, I know some spots in the Sonora Desert she could test her theory.
Chris
@Captain C:
Find another group of people to prey off of, I guess.
There’s an interesting observation I once read about gun nut survivalists. They completely ignore stockpiling grain or developing first aid skills or, well, pretty much anything other than guns. They say they need the guns to keep evil raiders away from their shit, even though they don’t seem to be planning to have any shit to keep them away from at all. You could say this is just stupid planning on their part, and in a lot of cases you’re probably right. But the other conclusion is “they’re not planning to keep away raiders; they’re planning to be the raiders.” Somebody else can worry about growing the food and stockpiling the medicine and all the rest of that girly shit. They just want to be able to take it from them.
Geminid
@Eyeroller: Summersville is in northwest Georgia, on the edge of the Chattahoochi National Forest. This might be moonshiner on moonshiner fight.
jimmiraybob
@Captain C:
Don’t give her any ideas about conquering Tohono Oʼodham Nation.
the pollyanna from hell
@Eyeroller: We live right by Summerville GA. She was illustrating the old testament in a modern landscape.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@the pollyanna from hell:
Wow, that’s super fucked up. How did the rest of your congregation react?
taumaturgo
@guachi: Devastating as of now, yet it may not mean much election day. I sympathize with your view, but as this clusterfuck develop, I notice most of Biden critics are folks that would not have voted for him anyway. Also, most Democrats will still vote for Biden and don’t want him replace. Fence hangers and independents – who would ultimately decide the election – are not paying attention, so this is more of a hardcore discourse for those who follow politics and news 24/7.
rikyrah
Sons of Killmonger & Disciple of Dark Brandon (@2Strong2Silence) posted at 5:21 AM on Mon, Jul 15, 2024:
So, to be clear the same media that demanded updates on Hillary’s health when she had the flu & all but said the sitting President had Alzheimer’s & demanded a cognitive test are radio silent about Trump’s medical condition? Gee wonder why? t.co/gTQrXTsfhC
(x.com/2Strong2Silence/status/1812794690472649138?s=03)
Citizen Alan
@Hilbertsubspace: No. But I think I could buy a messed up kid committing suicide by cop in a manner that he thought would help his favorite political figure win reelection.
les
@Bupalos: Yeah, we’re in agree to disagreeville-I meant no implication of bad faith to you. I don’t know what’s up or will be; I think right now, it was 50/50 before the debate and it’s 50/50 now. I think there’s a better chance that Trump degenerates than Biden, and hope that some sliver of the country would actually care about that; and I fear that this country is massively sexist and racist, across parties. It’s a gods damned mess, and I may have to go search for Graham Norton Show videos.
wenchacha
@Jinchi: Worst part, for me anyway, is the sanctification of Saint Tim the Russert.
the pollyanna from hell
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I am not a member, just a UU refugee looking for a place to sing praises. Driving to Chattanooga or Atlanta is beyond me just now.
No visible reaction. But I imagine some thought,” So that’s why I’m not a Baptist.”
Citizen Alan
@jimmiraybob: Evangelical christians worship the devil and are too ignorant to realize it.
wenchacha
@the pollyanna from hell: I guess with permission, no worries about the coveting or stealing part.
Matt McIrvin
@stacib: expected but scary. If there’s anyone who will actually try to build the American Auschwitz it’s Vance
Lyrebird
@Harrison Wesley: There’s a lot being passed around here!!!!
Citizen Alan
@the pollyanna from hell:
Okay I understand now. I can imagine the shock and horror of a UCC member visiting pretty much any baptist church anywhere in the south. I’m pretty sure that if you had announced you were UCC, the congregation would have denied that you were even a christian.
Juju
@Manyakitty: She had either a bra or slip strap showing. I have never seen her that way. Ever.
cain
My circles are awashed in conspiracy theories. Nobody can believe it’s not just a straight up assassination attempt.
cain
@guachi:
Well ain’t gonna convince anybody here.
If such a poll came up for me, I might be tempted to also say “he’s too old” but that doesn’t mean I am not going to vote Biden. So that poll is meaningless – I can make my choice between the too old guy or the crazy son of a bitch. I’ll pick the old guy. Cuz the old guy has a youngin riding with him.
You are not going to get a younger person to replace him. You need to first accept that. You’ll feel at peace once you do.
Lyrebird
@ArchTeryx: Thanks for all you are doing to help hold the line!
BTW I completely missed your post about your difficult situation. IIRC you live in a region near where we live, which is between two airports, here are their codes run together ALBSCH.
If your situation is one that could be helped by having someone drop off some soup and orange juice or packing materials or what not, please contact MisterMix, this is my permission to share my email.
cain
@Eyeroller: If it was Biden, they’d be asking for a medical report within the hour.
Eyeroller
@Citizen Alan: It was worse, the guest was a substitute preacher at pollyanna’s regular church, as I read it. So they weren’t expecting a sermon like that.
Juju
@Eyeroller: No projection. I’m just saying that I think she forgot about the letter, for whatever reason. It could have been a senior moment, or just tiredness. I take care of my mother who has dementia, and I get so tired bordering on exhaustion, and I have completely forgotten the occasional thing that was really important, when it was mentioned when I was tired. If her husband is showing signs of dementia, that may be enough to distract her right there. She never said she wanted Biden to withdraw.
Manyakitty
@Juju: and her lipstick game was off, too.
Juju
@Soprano2: She wasn’t wearing any jewelry or her special pin. Perhaps a bad night?
Matt McIrvin
@cain: My circles are not doing that, but my Facebook feed has people upset that THEIR Facebook feeds are spiraling with conspiracy theories
(Mine are just going (a) “I’m scared” and (b) “fucking guns, man, am I right”)
jimmiraybob
@Matt McIrvin: I don’t think that it’s out of line to contemplate that camps will have to be built.
I believe they are calling it the largest mass deportation plan ever. Yes, of course there will be collateral damage.
You can’t promise to round up 15 to 20 million humans without having adequate space for storage and processing (especially if you are claiming that most of them are vile criminals and vermin – why turn them loose only to possibly come back?).
cain
@the pollyanna from hell: She does know that the old testament is superseded by the new testament right?
cain
@jimmiraybob: Claiming that there are 20 million vile human beings who are crook is pretty stupid.
You could keep on claiming that and keep getting rid of people. Hell, you could even go after all the black folks and say they came here illegally 300 years ago.
cain
@Matt McIrvin:
I was trying to caution going down that rabbit well because there is just no answers there. It doesn’t change our reality if Trump faked it or not. We still have to win this election.
Matt McIrvin
@cain: The Reichstag fire was probably not a false flag, and Alger Hiss was probably guilty, but it didn’t make the people who made bank on them not total shits. Sometimes the dramatic revelation of fraud isn’t the point, or what saves you.
Juju
@tam1MI: That works too. I was going more recent.
Juju
@Chris: I didn’t realize every other potential candidate polls as well as Biden. My thought about how they can support the abortion ban repeal and not the President is that they might be ignorant about the federal government superseding state.
UncleEbeneezer
@Dennis Doubleday: Also if you want to keep AIPAC from funding your opponent, a good rule of thumb is to not claim that UN reports of Systemic Sexual Violence by Hamas on 10/7 was just “Propaganda” for Israel. That was such a batshit statement for Bowman to make. Most Dems, even ones who are extremely critical of Biden/Gaza, don’t find that shit cute.
Matt McIrvin
@cain: They’re terrible criminals because they’re violating the law that we passed to keep them out because they’re terrible criminals because they’re violating that law!
Kay
@guachi:
FWIW I agree with you. We’re in a burning building and we’re scared to jump out a 2nd story window.
I’d jump. Worth a shot. I’m still hoping Pelosi can do something.
Kay
I also wish Biden’s team would stop announcing a ceasefire in Gaza every two weeks.
WTF. How many times are they going to do this? Immediately after the last “ceasefire” announcement Israel killed another 100 civilians. They’re no longer credible on this. Stop overpromising! It starts to look like deliberate gaslighting.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: I trust Politico about as much as I trust the National Enquirer. But if it’s true that Pelosi is involved, that’s huge. No one can credibly accuse her of lacking political savvy.
Chris T.
@cain:
Poll results: 78% think grouchy is an ass. 27% agree that both candidates are too old, but 92% of those people think there’s nothing to be done about that but vote. 100% think grouchface should STFU already.