Another lousy day here, but not as lousy as WV’s neighbors to the south are going through. I’m just so mad about the whole fucking thing. They’ve been warning us my entire life about climate change and this happening, and no one did anything. Christ, it’s been twenty years since Tim F. was screaming about it on the front page here.
Such a damned mess.
I have nothing to say. Cabbage soup (again) for dinner, couple hours at the gym, afternoon nap, some work. Really all there was to the day. I just want to sit back and watch tv for a few hours and then fall asleep and do it again.
bbleh
Something something American Capitalism something real estate wealth American dream something, and also th’AWL bidness, too.
See also latest news about the Thwaites glacier.
Sweet dreams now!
hrprogressive
Everyone who claimed the climate was gonna make this rock uninhabitable by 2100 appears to have overshot that by at least 50 years.
All that shit is gonna happen in the next couple decades.
It’s already happening now.
It’s only gonna get worse from here on out.
Nukular Biskits
Yeah, but Al Gore is fat …
Nukular Biskits
Found it:
Al Gore is fat
HinTN
And Al Gore is still fat.
It is appalling to consider how the choices of “our betters” have played out in the quadrennial exercises over the previous 44 years. Ronzo ripped Jimmy’s solar panels off the White House, Shrub went to war for daddy’s honor (and oil), TFG … FFS.
Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)
We’ll get around to doing something when it hits the people at the top. They can shield themselves only so long before even they feel it. I don’t know when that’ll be.
Maybe that’s too cynical. Biden has done more than anybody before him, after all. Of course, there’s only so much he–or anybody–can do, what with the Republicans the way they are. So we’ll take halting little steps until the Kochs and Musks and Ackmans feel the literal and figurative heat.
The Pale Scot
It occurred to today that we are living in a Bizarro version of “Being There”, Chauncey is still simple minded but now he’s malicious.
Seems to ride the same road as Evangelical pastors getting flack for repeating Jesus’s words on empathy. “That don’t work no more, it’s weak”
Scout211
Tonight is the season premiere of SNL, hosted by Jean Smart, with a special appearance by Maya Rudolph as MVP Harris. It’s also the 50 year anniversary. I hope that means it’s a good episode, but I’m not holding my breath. But the DVR is set.
scav
Hasn’t all this weather been legally declared entirely normal, nothing of import and utterly not to be discussed? I suppose that status changes abruptly at certain state lines which should make for an interesting map. Which I utterly need as a cheatsheet, just so that I’m not being an elitist coastal snowflake and forgetting to console someone for the utterly big standard few days they just went through.
BigJimSlade
At least now we’re *finally* making some headway on solar and wind power, and EVs are getting normalized, slowly… and small inroads are being made on things like no-till (or less till) farming…
pat
wapo.st/47HSqBu
A sad, disgusting story about a transgender teen who knew from her earliest days that she was a girl, not a boy. In Florida, not too surprising..
The WaPo did not allow comments. Wonder why..
Harrison Wesley
You can stop that “global warming” nonsense easy-peasy. Just stick a UV light up your ass. Pwned again, libtards!
Jerry
If anyone is looking to donate cash money for the fine folks up in the North Carolina mountains, this is a good NC based organization:
NCCF Disaster Relief Fund
Tom Levenson
Just for the record: my first book, Ice Time: Climate, Science and Life on Earth was about the transformation of atmospheric science into climate science that was then taking place…and explicitly warned about global warming (as was).
It was published in 1989.
A couple of years ago I asked some real-life climate scientists to take a look at it, to see how much held up.
Their answer: all of it. The science has gotten more sophisticated, more detailed, with tons more data available, but the basic story hasn’t changed.
That’s 35 years ago. We knew. We’ve known for a very long time.
sukabi
Some days you just need to do the basics John, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Enjoy your soup and your animals and veg in front of the TV for a while. You’ve earned it. 🙂
Rudi666
Wealthy Davis Islands had major flooding, a big story. The Big Bend area was hit by 3 hurricanes making landfall in the last 13 months. Never-mind the Big Bend area, Davis Island has multi-million dollar homes and celebrities.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis_Islands_(Tampa)
Piety, keep me strong
Just how much is mankind exacerbating climate change by making war, which is utterly a waste of energy?
youtube.com/watch?v=YsTK2LHZKPQ
Let’s have a war, we can all use the money!
Nukular Biskits
@Tom Levenson:
It’s always baffled me that anyone who understood basic science could deny that human-caused/driven climate change was, at the very least, possible.
Salty Sam
Hell, Exxon/Mobile suppressed documents from the mid-50’s where their scientists were beginning to raise alarms.
Hungry Joe
POSTCARD UPDATE
Yesterday: 11, to Arizona. First 11 in a batch of 50.
Ms. Joe has been phone banking for Sherrod Brown. Requires a thick skin; she gets yelled at a lot. But there are occasional gems, like the guy who asked who Sherrod is running against.
”Moreno,” Ms. Joe said, “He — “
The guy yelled, “MORENO? HE’S THE ONE WHO WANTS TO LET IN ALL THOSE GODDAM IMMIGRANTS!”
[long pause]
Ms. Joe: “So, Sherrod Brown’s our man!”
Guy: ”Goddam right!”
Ms. Joe: “Thank you for voting!”
[click]
No lies told. Technically. You take the votes where you can get them, I guess.
HinTN
@Nukular Biskits: Since it’s all probabilistic, let’s just say Likely, if not Highly Likely, and be done with it.
Mary
John, I have always believed that nothing would be done until real suffering hit ordinary people. Until ordinary people got really mad and voted accordingly. We may not be there yet but we are getting closer.
HumboldtBlue
Footage from North Carolina shows the devastation.
The Thin Black Duke
This segment from the TV series The Newsroom warned us.
Honus
@pat: I read that story earlier today. They completely traumatized a transgender teen who had been elected class president twice, and destroyed her mother. And for nothing. They were both popular and productive and hurt nobody. The cruelty was entirely the point.
Nukular Biskits
@HinTN:
I mean, if you understand that burning fossil fuels releases CO2 and that earth is, for all practical purposes, a closed system (yeah, I know that’s an oversimplification), you’d have to logically conclude that atmospheric CO2 concentrations are going to increase without some type of intervention.
That some people simply deny that basic fact astounds me.
Kent
@Tom Levenson: 35 years ago? How about nearly 70 years ago? None of the basic scientific principles behind global warming are new. All we have done in recent years is refine the models.
This was Frank Capra in 1958:
youtu.be/0lgzz-L7GFg?si=ci2xX0BK_6hmpPxx
Chet Murthy
@Kent: My understanding is that Arrhenius did the basic calculations based on the obvious physics, back in the 19th century, and that the prediictions from those stand up to this day.
cmorenc
@HinTN:
Irony is that daddy George H. Bush was smart enough to realize that it was actually better for US and our strategic interests in the Middle East to leave Saddam Hussein in power after the 1990 Gulf War – weakened enough to inhibit further invasive adventurism (such as happened in Kuwait) but strong enough to keep Islamic militants in check. IIRC George H. Bush’s initial impulse, upon defeating Saddam, was to give rash encouraging assurances of autonomy from Saddam to Islamic dissenters in the Basrah area, before he quickly thought better of it on advice of his National Security advisors.
OTOH, Bush, Jr. lacked the prudent restraint of his dad, and was easily prodded by his interventionist neoconservative – oriented national security officers into mounting an attack to overthrow Hussein.
TheOtherHank
I remember waaaay back in the 90s climate folks didn’t want to be accused of overhyping their stuff so they used conservative numbers in their models and then, much sooner than the models predicted, the bad things they predicted started happening. It trained me to assume that any timeline numbers that made it into the news were wrong in the direction of things getting worse faster and being worse than the articles said they would be. This assumption has stood the test of time.
lowtechcyclist
@Tom Levenson:
Didn’t Clinton propose a BTU tax during his first couple years as President? IIRC, it basically got laughed out of Congress.
Along with a lot of other people, I’m sure, I was depressed after Kerry lost to Bush in 2004. The biggest source of my depression was that it would be another four years before we’d start doing anything about global warming, and even then I could feel that time was a-wasting. (Second biggest was knowing that Bush would be filling a couple of Supreme Court seats, and that wasn’t going to be good. It wasn’t, of course, he put Roberts and Alito on SCOTUS.)
I have no idea how depressed I’d have been if I’d known it would be more like two decades before we did anything. Obama tried, but there were too many Dem Senators for whom the filibuster was more important than saving the fucking planet.
We need to tell the kids that whatever hope they have to avoid climate catastrophe is to elect more, better Democrats. We can’t promise them that we’ll do enough to avoid that catastrophe, but we can promise them that if Trump wins in November, it’s coming for sure. And global warming will be here a lot longer than his MAGA fascist regime lasts.
Baud
I’m waiting to see how climate change issues affect election turnout.
Kent
Yes, although the thought it was a good thing and would make Sweden more inhabitable and productive. And didn’t really get into sea level rise, just the connection between CO2 and temperature.
brendancalling
And for some reason Republicans will continue to dominate these states, despite being the enablers of the disasters. On top of that is the shameless hypocrisy of hating on the federal government, then begging for federal disaster funds, then refusing to express any gratitude, then doing nothing the prevent it from happening again, lather rinse repeat.
I really want these fuckers called to account.
Pete Downunder
I’ve been cleaning the greasy, muddy floor of my shed. Industrial strength degreaser and a lot of mopping. Good times, but it looks way better. Weather here Downunder has been all over the place. Cold wet yesterday, warmer today.
Geminid
@cmorenc: I thought thst Cheney and Rumsfeld drove Bush’s war policy, butand their views were formed years before the term “neocon” was applied to foreign policy advocates.
Y
West of the Rockies
Be okay if Mar-a-Lardo got wiped out by Hurricane Melania.
kalakal
Finally got power and internet back after Helene. Wasn’t too bad in my immediate vicinity. All safe and sound. In, it never rains but it pours, I’ve been feeling rough for a day or so, assumed it was my sinuses playing up, but instead I have Covid. Aaaaarrrgggh
Chet Murthy
@brendancalling: You left out the “denouncing any attempt to give federal money to any Blue state experiencing a disaster as Soshulizm! even when the disaster is the same as what the Red state they come from experienced”
Kayla Rudbek
It has been too hot in DC (still running AC at night in late September) and it was too hot on the Sea Gull Century ride today once the sun came out. I know I have been sweating a lot when I get in the shower and taste salt once my face and scalp get wet. I was drinking straight pickle juice at the rest stops and it didn’t taste too salty, that’s how hot it was today.
But at least I set a personal record for longest bike ride, 107 miles. How much longer we will be capable of tandem rides like that without electric assist is an open question.
Baud
Mark Robinson sees Derrick Anderson’s fake family and raises.
Kent
Racism and hate are very powerful drugs.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: I thought Robinson was in the hospital? I can’t keep up.
As for climate change: We gave you Carter, Gore, H. Clinton. You didn’t want them.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
Yeah, another reddit thread said he touched a hot exhaust pipe.
Preach.
Also, too, Congress.
3Sice
The Saffir-Simpson Scale measures sustained winds. It doesn’t give any indication to the scope and power of the surge, the size of the hurricane, or the amount of water carried inside. Helene was large, and carried a massive amount of water until it ran into the Appalachians. Peaks on the SC-NC border had upwards of 45”-46” inches of rain over the last 72 hours. That’s four feet of water dropping from the sky.
BellyCat
@Tom Levenson: Bravo! Keep at it. With enough heads beating against the cornerstones, sometimes they shift.
A Ghost to Most
It was a hot summer in Denver, but I will take 100° and dry over 85° and humid every day of the summer.
Jeffro
KamalaHQ openly mocking trumpov on twitter for, well, being trumpov (and in ‘cognitive decline’, aka batshit crazy)
the orange one had a very bad day today, and I’m excited to keep sharing the stories with the RWNJs in my life. =)
*he actually said this at one of his narcissistic-injury-soothing-balm fests this weekend
lowtechcyclist
@Kayla Rudbek:
Congrats on getting through that ride! Not the day one would hope for, for a century ride. I’m sure they scheduled it for this weekend thinking of crisp late September days, and instead y’all got 80s and muggy.
Jeffro
@Baud: I just hope Harris/Walz has enough dough that they can launch a few ads (pre- or post-Election Day, I don’t care which) asking where Al Gore can go to get his apology.
I mean, he only told us 24 years ago what was going to happen…
Harrison Wesley
@Baud: What…did he touch it with? Maybe this was some kind of J.D. Vance move.
Ohio Mom
Ohio Family is very happy. After 26 hours without electricity, the lights just popped on moments ago.
Yes, this was a result of climate change, we had fierce winds yesterday. But it is also a result of lack of regulation. Duke energy skimps on maintaining the power grid. Our immediate area had a short outage just last week, when the weather was clear and dry.
Everything leads back to unfettered, late stage capitalism.
lowtechcyclist
@3Sice:
Holy shit, I can’t even imagine that! There can’t be any way to prepare for that much rain. No wonder western NC is a disaster area.
Anotherlurker.
As a very emotionally damaged survivor of Superstorm Sandy, I have an undying hatred for Texas politicians who voted against disaster assistance for NY & NJ . Fuck those clowns and the ignorant assholes who keep voting them into office.
karen marie
I made an apple cake. It is very delicious! The recipe calls for three tablespoons of dark rum – not something I’ve got on hand, but I do have some Captain Morgan, so I used that. It is a gorgeous little cake! It’s moist! It’s delicate! It’s light! And it’s easy to make. I used what I believe is an 8-inch springform pan. If you use a regular cake pan, you definitely want to grease/parchment/grease because this cake likes to stick. Being a traditionalist, I used Granny Smith’s.
Baud
@Anotherlurker.:
As well you should.
Suzanne
In all seriousness…. people keep moving there. They keep signing up for this. Americans keep moving toward the hurricanes and the wildfires and the droughts and the heat waves.
karen marie
@scav: Yeah, totes normal – it’s 112 degrees at my house on September 28th.
TBone
Because this genius gentleman was raised by my ex’s sister and we had access to him at the family supper table, we had front row seats to accurate information. Drink and be merry, my friends.
researchgate.net/profile/Stephen-Hudson
World travels pages and pics
stephenhudson.net/
BellyCat
@kalakal: Ugh. Just went through COVID three weeks ago. Vaxxed and boosted. Milder than some colds, but cough lingers. Good luck!
Gloria DryGarden
@Piety, keep me strong: what a good point. Isn’t war and arms manufacturing a wider parallel arm to the gun manufacturers lobby, suppressing gun control, to keep up their sales.
I haven’t thought a lot about the climate impacts of war, but , sure there’s a lot of transport and materials. What a way to boost the economy. Didn’t expect to be tying together climate change, war, and gun control, but it makes sense.
Nukular Biskits
@Suzanne:
I don’t necessarily disagree … but … I would argue that every part of this country has the potential for some kind of natural disaster, arguably some more than others.
You get the picture.
Phylllis
We’re about a mile from an exit onto I-20; Aiken & Augusta are about an hour west of us. We headed out earlier today to run a few errands and traffic coming east on 20 was backed up as far as we could see, as well as traffic coming down the local road to the big truck stop at our exit. We could only figure it was folks coming from Augusta looking for gas for cars & generators as well as hot food. Hubby and I talked about making sure we had full gas tanks and cash on hand for subsequent storms. We saw lots of lines at other gas stations and fast food drive-thrus.
BR
@Jeffro:
Have you shared this one (the images and thread) with the RWNJs in your life?
bsky.app/profile/the-jaguarr.bsky.social/post/3l4yew2uacs2j
TBone
@Baud: 😆
Kayla Rudbek
@lowtechcyclist: yeah, it’s usually in October from what I remember of previous rides (usually doing the metric century 100 km = 62.2 miles). Last year it rained and we were drenched and miserable. So of course this year we bring rain gear, I specifically brought an extra pair of padded knickers and my neoprene shoe covers, and the rain all came through the night before.
Gloria DryGarden
@Tom Levenson: have you seen the glacier photography comparisons?
no matter what else the deniers say, the photographic evidence is irrefutable. And the information about melting rates increasing, the cold spot in the Atlantic disappearing, the north south temperature and salinity gradients and exchanges, that are already affected…it’s pretty clear.
Suzanne
@Nukular Biskits: I just get frustrated by the screams to DO SOMETHING!!! that ignore the basic reality that some places where humans live cannot be sustained. What is the proposal? Depopulate coastal Florida, California, Arizona, Texas?
If we want to do that —and I agree that we should — maybe we should start building some houses elsewhere, eh?
NotMax
Mmm. Lurve a steaming bowl of sweet ‘n’ sour cabbage soup (with caraway seeds, thank you very much).
Chet Murthy
@Nukular Biskits: There -is- a difference between quakes or hard winters, and hurricanes, right? The former is not affected by climate change, so the cost of human habitation there is pretty much constant over the centuries. But the latter …. not so much.
scav
@Baud: Honestly, can’t you see other team R campaigners adopting the strategy just to get a somewhat better control over what might otherwise erupt out of the 3d version’s mouth?
Bill Arnold
Edward Teller described the effects of CO2 pollution (first calculated in the 1890s) in a talk to oil industry execs in 1959.
Models and computers are much much much much much better now.
Starfish
@Kayla Rudbek: That bike ride is amazingly long.
3Sice
Florida Governor tweeted he is releasing FANG aviator assets for NC. The road network in Florida is fine. The only network to survive in western NC was the Ham radio.
Gloria DryGarden
@brendancalling: be nice if they had to publish a factual thank you note in the news, stating the help they received from the fed, an how helpful it was, your tax dollars, making a difference, your government doing some good things.
factual, actual acknowledgement. it’d be good to require it. Some kind of contract, not ok to minimize or lie about this expensive valuable help we’ve sent.
I’m dreaming.
Scout211
@Chet Murthy: @Nukular Biskits:
Wildfires are the “natural” disaster in the Western states, increasing in number and severity due to climate change.
ETA: clarity
Chet Murthy
@Suzanne: A finance prof at some B-school once described an investment strategy he called “Capital Destruction Partners”. This was at a time when the S&P was rising pretty much non-stop. This hedge fund would invest in selling out-of-the-money S&P puts (so, as long as the S&P rises, they don’t have to pay out), and take the winnings and invest in the S&P. Of course, on the day that the S&P starts to descend, howsoever slightly, they’re -fucked- b/c their investments in the S&P tank, and they also have to pay off those now-in-the-money puts they’d sold. Boom.
The lesson here is that lots of people can finagle a way to structure things so that the long-term cost of a thing is shoved off out of sight, and only the short-term gain is visible. Like, say, the Florida state government. As long as FL’s govt rests on construction/construction/construction as its tax base, and diddles the numbers on everything (including flood/hurricane insurance), things won’t change.
I mean, it’s great to -wish- for the G(r)OPers to grow a clue, but they sure don’t seem to be for changin’. How will things get fixed? They. Won’t
ETA: I should have added that obviously nobody can expect the S&P to rise -forever-, and that was the “long-term cost” part of the scenario. That, sooner or later, the S&P -would- drop, and hence, the fund would be screwed. It was simply a matter of time. Of course, Keynes had something to say about that.
lowtechcyclist
@karen marie:
Sounds delicious! I’ve got to try this one.
NotMax
While not the greatest thing since sliced bread, an innocuous spot of British fun, :The Job Lot on Prime.
Russell Tovey almost always an interesting presence on screen.
sab
OT: Rescue kitties. Brother is moving around the house, but hiding as he goes.
I was cleaning the litter boxes and sister came up to me, meowed and then bumped my leg. I sat down and patted her. She climbed in my lap so I hugged her. Then I got up and picked her up. She wanted down in about a minute. So I put her down. She bumped my leg so I sat down and she climbed in my lap again.
I wasn’t expecting anything like that for at least a week or two. Her brother is behaving more as I expected, explorimg then hiding. He does not like the dog.
Jeffro
@BR: no, but almost none of them are on Twitter? (realizing I could copy it into some other post or email, I guess)
I’m excited to see their reaction to trumpov selling gold-plated watches that double as foreign money-laundering, though!
Jeffro
@Chet Murthy:
@Nukular Biskits:
@Scout211:
most of the Great Lakes area and upstate New York are looking better all the time…I’m just sayin’…
Gloria DryGarden
@3Sice: really glad to get your detailed report on conditions in NC.
The photos and videos of water pouring everywhere, wide rivers covering highways, it’s daunting. Half your state.
I’d read about the 140 mph winds you got, and 30” of rain, but hadn’t read about this 45”. It’s hard to imagine.
we had a 10” rain in Denver a few years back, and the flooding went way east; 3-4 times that sounds devastating.
I don’t know what this is like for the people living through it. Good luck.
Suzanne
@Scout211: Heat waves are the deadliest natural disaster. Not as dramatic as hurricanes or wildfires, so they get less attention.
Again…. people keep moving to those places. Until they are made to bear the cost of their risk, that will continue.
Chet Murthy
@Jeffro: If it weren’t for their politics, I’d be lookin’ very, very seriously at upstate NY. I loved my time in Ithaca during grad school. Lovely biking country.
Parfigliano
@brendancalling: Only thing that will change them is death.
Gloria DryGarden
@Nukular Biskits: Rocky Mountains and west to the coast, forest fires, drought.
Suzanne
Exactly right.
I mean, people like the sun and warm weather! Not shoveling snow! Pools in the backyard!
Nukular Biskits
@Suzanne: @Chet Murthy:
My point, perhaps inelegantly put, is that there is no place without it’s drawbacks.
Granted, as pointed out, earthquakes, for example, do not have a causal relationship with the burning of fossil fuels (unless you add in quakes from fracking).
Rather than move 100 million people, I think we should address the core problem.
Nukular Biskits
@Jeffro:
Last time I was in that area, it was too damned cold! 🤣
trucknuts of damocles
John, I don’t want an answer, but imma parachute in here and say one thing..if you were at all serious about doing something about global warming, you’d stop eating fucking meat. it’s pretty fucking rich to have some overfed american bemoan global warning and be fine with stuffing dead cow into their face 10 times a week. not to mention that that cow has suffered and been killed so you can feel full for a couple of hours from a meal you could have missed. for people who revel in their love of animals to be fine with being complicit in torture and death several times a day when there are alternatives is inexcusable. if you had raised that cow, pig, chicken yourself, it would kill you to see it treated the way your food has been treated. I love my chicken as much as my cats, and if anyone hurt her like your nuggets and supermarket chickens were, I’d kill them
sack the fuck up. you have control over almost nothing in your life. what you choose to eat is one of them.
Suzanne
@Nukular Biskits: I also think that we should address the core problem. But, IMO, part of the core problem is that some places cannot be sustained for the populations that want to live there. It spends too much energy to cool or heat, the land and the coastline and the climate are too volatile.
A bunch of houses just got swallowed by the ocean on the Outer Banks. If we allow it, someone will rebuild. Because BEACH LIFE!
Bill Arnold
@Anotherlurker.:
My father’s power (northern Westchester NY) was knocked out by Sandy for over a week. He eventually moved in with me for a few days, a bit further north, for the hot water and heated house.
Here’s the vote. The publication is a Staten Island newspaper, the Republican borough of New York City.
In all, 192 Democrats and 49 Republicans voted for the [Hurricane Sandy] aid. Joining 179 Republicans who voted against the aid was one Democrat — Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, one of the so-called “Blue-Dog Democrats”. (2013)
princess leia
@Hungry Joe: Thank you for encouraging me to write postcards! I got my stack and am working through them. You gave me a push!
Nukular Biskits
@Suzanne:
Okay. Playing devil’s advocate here, where would you build all those houses out of harm’s way? Along with the infrastructure, jobs, etc?
H
@Chet Murthy: Arrhenius’ work was a simple analytic (obviously, since computers didn’t exist then) one-dimensional energy-balance calculation. So of course it could not predict higher-dimensional effects such as temperature distributions, sea-level changes, etc. But it was pretty accurate at calculating the change in the top-of-the-atmosphere effects.
Kayla Rudbek
@Starfish: four rest stops and I think I either ate pickles and/or drank pickle juice at every single stop. Salisbury University does a good job with rest stops every time and I think they have some of their sports/exercise majors staffing those stops from what I remember seeing their t-shirts saying. And first aid stations, bike repair stations, the local police directing traffic, etc etc.
Jeffro
@Nukular Biskits: yeah I hear you (and I’ve never spent a winter there) but I’m an odd one who is liking the cold more and more as I get older.
It might end up being my 9- or 10-month destination. We’ll see.
karen marie
@lowtechcyclist: It is definitely a recipe I’ll make again. I was really happy with how light it is despite the very large volume of apples relative to batter. I use a stand mixer and really let the butter and sugar fully fluff. But also I tried something I’d recently read about as the thing to do – add the eggs one at a time and beat them in well before adding the next. I got no splitting of the batter using that method.
I’m giving some of the cake away, because there’s only so much cake I can eat and not go up another size yet again, but I’m very excited for breakfast tomorrow.
Jeffro
@Suzanne: oh…you mean Phoenix and Las Vegas?
(it’s just true. those places aren’t meant to support more than a handful of humans in the best/coolest of times)
Suzanne
@Nukular Biskits: We have existing cities that can densify, we can stop further human encroachment on delicate landscapes. These are all choices. We have limited resources for protective measures like sea walls and levees and fire breaks, etc…. so maybe stop allowing construction near delicate coastlines?
Or, again….. make people bear the real cost of the risk they’re taking.
karen marie
@trucknuts of damocles: I love pie.
Bill Arnold
@Piety, keep me strong:
Russia, one of the world’s major petro-states, shut down 6 GW of (almost) no-carbon-emissions nuclear power early in its invasion of Ukraine, and is diligently (and war-crimingly) bombing with precision weapons to shut down more. They also destroyed a hydro plant (and an entire reservoir), though that was only a few hundred megawatts.
That power has been partially replaced with power generated mostly from the burning of fossil carbon, and with rationing. (A gigawatt coal plant burns roughly 3 megatons of coal per year, mostly carbon.)
Very bad.
Suzanne
Yes, I absolutely mean Phoenix and Las Vegas. It’s much of why I moved away. The city is getting hotter and bigger. The ground is sinking and there isn’t any water.
Theres a reason there’s a book called Bird on Fire: Lessons From the World’s Least Sustainable City. And yet those two cities have been the fastest-growing in the country.
Nukular Biskits
@Jeffro:
Early in my career, I spent several winters in Syracuse, NY.
Later, I spent Dec-Feb in Marinette, WI. THAT was cold! Even my colleagues from the shipyard up in Bath, ME, said it was too cold.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@brendancalling: There’s a lot of gerrymandering down here, along with other forms of voter suppression. We desperately need the new voting rights act, to replace what John Roberts so gleefully filleted.
That won’t change everything, but it will help a good bit.
rikyrah
😢😢🙏🏽🥺😢
Errol Lewis (@ErrolLewis) posted at 8:44 PM on Sat, Sep 28, 2024:
R.I.P. Drake Hogestyn
The iconic actor best known for his role as John Black on “Days of our Lives” has passed away at 70, just one day shy of celebrating his 71st birthday.
Drake Hogestyn: September 29, 1953-September 28, 2024
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Bill Arnold
Gloria DryGarden:
In my lifetime, in my area (Southern NYS) the growing zones have shifted a bit less than 100 miles north.
Anyone who gardens in a temperate zone knows that it is getting warmer.
Nukular Biskits
@Suzanne:
With all due respect, that sounds elitist.
Look, I understand what you’re saying and I don’t entirely disagree. But what you’re arguing (at least in the former) simply isn’t practical nor is it reasonable, IMHO.
As for the latter, demanding those of us who live in harm’s way (however it’s defined, whether it be in Tornado Alley, Hurricane Central, etc), “have skin in the game”, we all already do: by paying insurance and paying taxes. Take, for example, flood insurance. Granted, it’s heavily subsidized because private carriers will not underwrite it, but it’s a bit disingenuous to argue people living in the MS River floodplain or on within the 100-year floodplain of the coasts aren’t responsible and aren’t carrying their fair share.
Splitting Image
@Mary:
Poe’s other Law is that the powers that be would never do anything about the Red Death until it got into the same room as them. First propounded in 1842.
Sixteen years later, in 1858, the smell of raw sewage in London finally grew so bad that you could smell it in the House of Commons. Miraculously, the leaders of the nation suddenly found the will to do something about it.
Sister Golden Bear
@Honus:
Eradicating trans people is the point. Senseless cruelty is the method for achieving it.
Suzanne
@Nukular Biskits: I mean, I think it’s elitist to build big beach houses and high-rise condos on fragile barrier islands and delicate coastlines and then lean on taxpayers when they get swept away.
Gloria DryGarden
@Bill Arnold: YES! We gardeners know.
Nukular Biskits
@Suzanne:
On that, we agree.
Sister Golden Bear
@BR: To quote The Doctor: Don’t you think he looks tired.
Gloria DryGarden
@Sister Golden Bear: I couldn’t read the article, it required sign in, and I won’t. Dang it.
let people live.
prostratedragon
We’re going to miss “Twin Peaks”.
Gloria DryGarden
@Nukular Biskits:
I’m hoping you’ll say more about your solutions, and how you define the core problems.
my best guess is population, and consumerism lifestyle. We have a might higher consumption of resources in the US than in most countries.
btw, I was in Syracuse in the winter in the 60s, a stay at my aunts house. I remember very high piles of snow, everywhere.
RevRick
@Tom Levenson: Actually, we’ve known about it since 1896 when the Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius published a paper on the greenhouse gas effect of carbon dioxide in Upsala. He later won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1903 for his pioneering work in the field of physical chemistry. He immediately had a ruh-roh reaction, but thought we’d have a thousand years to deal with it.
In 1958, as part of the International Geophysical Year, NOAA and Wood’s Hole set up an experiment on Mauna Loa to measure atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, an experiment that continues to this day and gave us the Keeling curve.
Yeah, there are bad actors in the oil industry, but I don’t recall anybody holding a gun to our heads, forcing us to build our car-centric culture. We embraced convenience and space over something more sustainable. Wholeheartedly.
Let’s not forget that the CO2 tailpipe emissions from my dad’s 1950 Studebaker are still up there.
Suzanne
@Nukular Biskits: I should also note that citizens of Florida and California (and other places) do indeed have a financial problem ahead of them w/r/t insurance. They have not been bearing the full cost of their risk, even if insured. (If they had been, insurance companies would not be fleeing those places in droves.)
I am not interested in the government being their insurer in perpetuity. That’s throwing good money after bad. So. That brings us back to the question….. do we abandon or limit the population of unsustainable places? We probably will need to do that, and use incentives/disincentives to make that happen. To minimize the pain of that, we could start strengthening the defenses of the places we intend to keep, build more houses, etc.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Nukular Biskits: Buffalo.
all the bad weather they get is snow.
Suzanne
@Gloria DryGarden:
It’s lots of transportation burning fossil fuels (car and air), lots of energy (air conditioning and heating), lots of meat consumption, lots of stuff consumption. And yes, Americans have the highest per capita carbon footprint, last I checked.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Bill Arnold: I was at a party in Seattle and mentioned to the host that parts of the State of Washington had gone from zone 8 to zone 9. She was like, “so what?” Then she noticed than an older neighbor next to her was just staring at me, open-mouthed. Turns out the neighbor had been gardening for 50 years; she knew what it meant for an entire region to go up a zone.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Sister Golden Bear: good point
pour encourager les autres
Gloria DryGarden
@A Ghost to Most: agree. But it was unpleasant. And near the record for hottest.
Suzanne
Here is the kind of dumbassery I’m talking about, right there on the front page of today’s WaPo.
What the ever-loving fuck.
ETA: Total and complete YOLO.
Jackie
@Baud:
I 100% approve Robinson tying TCFG to himself, suggesting if he’s going down, he’s not going down alone! 😂
Gloria DryGarden
@RevRick: my poli sci teacher explained how we became so car centric. A lot of trolley cars and public transport got ripped out, and Americans USA were encouraged to spread out, move across the country. So that in the Cold War, we were less centralized. In case of nukes.
I wish I could recall more details about it.
prostratedragon
Baud: Apparently he was
hexed by the ghost of native son Andy Griffith.
Suzanne
@Gloria DryGarden: America experienced a high rate of population growth after the car was invented, which led to a car-dependent development pattern of segregated uses of land. Pre-car cities tend to have houses and stores and factories all mixed up. Car-based cities have these functions separated, because it is assumed that most adults will have car access.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jackie: delighted. Like amen, may it be so. Down down they go…
Is this anticipatory schadenfreude? Or, am I just very happy rooting for your description of this scenario!
Sister Golden Bear
On a happy note, College Game Day just announced they’ll be doing their first ever broadcast from UC Berkeley at next weekend’s game versus Miami.
The #CALgorithm over at the Bad Place is rejoicing. Remember kids, good things can happen when you grow up to be deranged sports fan shitposters. (Cal didn’t have a game this week, so fans spent it making increasing outlandish pleas for CGD to come. Aside from the absurd AI art (yeah I know, I know) one alum even recorded a song.)
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@lowtechcyclist:
This is what the North Carolina Department of Transportation had in the first page of its website. Tennessee is a little wordier but it’s adds up to the same thing.
They aren’t fooling. All of the highways into Asheville are impassible—in some cases, they’ve been obliterated. I-40 is closed for at least 70 miles, from near Newport, Tennessee to east of Asheville, either buried under landslides, washed away, or waiting for the Pigeon River to go down. I-26 in the northeast of Tennessee is closed from around Erwin to the North Carolina line; I don’t know how many bridges are gone. Several dams are at their limits—word on actual dam failures has been unreliable so far.
Asheville has lost not only electrical power but most of its communications network, and it’s probably not the only place with that problem, just the largest.
We don’t know the actual death toll or the real extent of the infrastructure losses yet, because making surveys isn’t yet possible. And the floodwater will be moving downstream eventually. I’ve seen anticipatory comparisons to Hurricane Floyd, which decorated parts of North Carolina with sewage from hog farms.
State and local authorities seem to have taken heed of the NWS warnings, did their advance planning, put out warnings—and the area is still devastated, because planning can help you respond, but it can’t stop the disaster.
There are pictures on the internet that give you some idea; I’m not going to try & link to them as I’m already pretty depressed—Nashville had a major flood 14 years ago & this is hard to read & hear about.
Gloria DryGarden
On the subject of population ( which comes from sex…) I received a great quote today. To paraphrase:
God is technically pro choice. Because we’re given free will.
how can people, who are not god, be making choices for others, when god won’t?
Nukular Biskits
@Gloria DryGarden:
I have no hard solutions. What is required is a massive change in mindset and economics.
Small decisions by individuals on a daily basis (not eating beef or riding a bike instead of an F250 to work, for example) help … but what is required at this point are huge systemic changes, both in energy generation/usage and consumerism.
And, quite frankly, a LOT of Americans simply do not want to change a single damned thing if it just might inconvenience them in the slightest.
prostratedragon
@Suzanne: Not that I disagree, but what would those people drink?
Gloria DryGarden
@a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): I saw the video hum bolt blue posted. YouTube has lots of them.
it’s very intense.
aside from food/ transportation/ work/ supplies/electricity and cell service being out,
what about drinking water, and sewage infrastructures? People have to drink.
what’s it going to take, how do they even start?
Peke Daddy
@Baud: Was he eating pizza at the time?
Eolirin
@Nukular Biskits: While those changes are indeed necessary, something missing from this conversation is that those changes stop things from getting worse, they do not make things get better, at least not for decades. These kinds of storms are now the new normal. We cannot stop them from happening frequently. We had to take decisive action a couple of decades ago if we wanted that. They’re baked in.
And so Suzanne is fundamentally correct in assessing that if we don’t do something to ensure large population movements away from the most vulnerable and unsustainable areas, and in time frames that will feel implausiblely fast for the status quo, we are going to have huge and impossible to deal with problems.
Because we can’t fix what we’re already seeing happen. If we went to zero emissions tomorrow, we would still be dealing with storms like these for decades. We are setting ourselves up for huge climate refugee problems, of our own citizens; we already have inadequate housing stock, and there’s going to be tons of displacement.
Gloria DryGarden
@prostratedragon: we had some city zoning meetings, public discussions about some apartments proposed in a park near me, being repurposed. We need parks, so the community had stuff to say. I’m not sure if it ended up being affordable housing and for homeless people, which we need, or luxury apartments for the pretty tax write off for rich people (Denver has a high vacancy rate of luxury apartments).
What was definitely discussed, as you suggested, was water. Could the city make enough water capacity available for these apartments? And sewage needs, appropriate infrastructure. There were some experts who said no, the water would be a problem.
prostratedragon
@prostratedragon:
@Jeffro has exposed my hidden agenda.
Nukular Biskits
@Suzanne:
“unsustainable places”.
By whose definition?
And, apologies: Had I not started having “adult beverages” early tonight, I probably could have engaged in a more meaningful discussion.
prostratedragon
@Nukular Biskits: The good old days are already gone, it appears. I’ve got a parka that I haven’t worn at all in 3 or 4 years and haven’t got good wear out of in 10.
Nukular Biskits
@Chacal Charles Calthrop:
The one and only time I’ve ever been snow-skiing (actually, more like snow-sliding-on-my-ass) was up in that area of NY.
Melancholy Jaques
@Mary:
The problem is that when ordinary white people get really mad, they blame black people and immigrants and vote for the very fascists who are making their lives miserable.
Nukular Biskits
@Eolirin:
No disagreements.
BigJimSlade
Hey John Cole got name-dropped by Kevin Drum in a those-who-moved-from-right-to-left post:
jabberwocking.com/is-anyone-moving-right-these-days/
Lyrebird
Global warming has made northern winters milder and in some ways more dangerous, bc snow is WAY MORE manageable than ice.
Zelma
I saw John’s Tweet about issues with the Red Cross. I’d like to put in a plug for Lutheran Disaster Relief for those wanting to contribute help to those in need. Every penny goes to assistance; overhead is paid by the church organizations. And they work through local churches and Lutheran Social Services so there is a lot of local knowledge.
Gloria DryGarden
@Gloria DryGarden: “God is technically pro-choice. He gave humans free will for a reason. So IDK what all you pro-lifers are screaming about.
If God won’t even make my choices, what gives any one of you the authority to think you should??”
Tom Levenson
@RevRick: Wrote all that up here: bostonglobe.com/ideas/2016/04/16/doubting-climate-change-not-enough/3aBHd9Weo9AxSmzI99LSZJ/story.htm…
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Gloria DryGarden: There are so many things to worry about.
And not only do they have to worry about municipal plants, this is an area with a lot of rural residents, who depend on wells and septic tanks.
Here in Nashville, we had to replace one of our two water intake plants after the flood in 2010. I suspect people with wells & septic systems are on their own.
Gloria DryGarden
im pretty freaked out about the ocean currents changing as temperatures rise. That whole business with the North Atlantic cold spot, and the flow of rising and sinking waters exchanging from North to South to north again. That was a huge moderator of climate and weather. I’ve watched several YouTubes that explain it, it gradually makes sense.
As that changes, so does our weather. And the extra 2° of ocean warmth is how Helene became cat 4, if I understand it right.
All the weather patterns everywhere, the extra heat, the garden zones changed, the weird crazy patterns and extremes, it’s all one system, or series of interlocking systems. Our whole planet.
Timill
@prostratedragon: Gin. “The water tasted bad for a week, and we had to make do with gin…”
I foresee problems…
prostratedragon
@Timill: Need water to make gin. Among other things.
Ruckus
@brendancalling:
Most of the people I know chose a political side to be on as they came of voting age or before and they rarely change from that. What changes over time is that we get older and often embedded deeper in whatever politics we started with, mainly from the human trait of having a hard time admitting you were wrong. Now some do change, they see the error or the side they were on gets enough worse and they change. But I believe that last part is rare, if someone stays in the area they were raised in.
Ksmiami
@Kent: then they’ll die. Just wait
wjca
The Oakland-Berkeley area had a mostly electric trolley transit system pre-WW II. The Key System. It was bought by in the 50s . . . General Motors. And (quelle surprise!) shut down.
Sure Lurkalot
@Kayla Rudbek: Congratulations, that’s an accomplishment! Too bad the weather was muggy, that makes a tough ride tougher.
Gloria DryGarden
@Ruckus: my dad did it. Started voting for the Democrats. After being a Republican along w my mom. It changed after he voted for Ralph Nadar in spite of everything I said to suggest his vote would help Bush.
It took me years to figure out he responded better to questions, than to arguments.
Gloria DryGarden
@Tom Levenson: paywall
Citizen Alan
@trucknuts of damocles: I am reminded of a comment I made earlier today that literally ever action ever taken by PETA makes me want to eat a steak.
Citizen Alan
@Suzanne: No sum of money would induce me to live in a coastal city at this point. Or in the South again, but that’s a different (but related) issue.
Gloria DryGarden
Re Granny Smith apples
Another great use, besides cake or pie, is in a curry w chicken. Stunning.
evodevo
@Geminid: Yep…just google PNAC…
artem1s
@BR: not sure I want to. I thought the GOP couldn’t possibly dig up anyone worse than W to run and yet here we are. just because the MAGAts express some distaste for Joffery while their god emperor is still above ground they will turn on a dime when they see just how terrible JV is to their enemies. Remember, before Theil bribed TCF to endorse Vance he was polling at roughly 8% in Ohio. Everyone thought Mandel had it wrapped. I told everyone I knew that compared to JV, Mandel was a lightweight on the terrible human being scale. And no matter what the polls said, that the OH GOP voters would find a way to elect the most reprehensible person possible in their primary. Tim Ryan thought he beat JV withiout appealing the base of Black voters in NE OH because Vance polled so badly among GOP voters.
Do not get the GOP’s hopes up that someone will be there to save them when TCF finally takes a dirt nap. It’s not going to turn out the way you think it will
Suzanne
@Nukular Biskits:
There’s been a number of measures of this. Some strictly look at climate impacts, some also look at population health factors. But, in short, unsustainable places are those where humans cannot safely live, to meet their own needs, with the resources that they have, without compromising future generations’ ability to do the same.
We can use technology to protect relatively small areas, like a city. We cannot protect hundreds or thousands of miles of coastline for beach houses.
Matt McIrvin
@BigJimSlade: A big one he missed on the “left to right” side is Matt Taibbi. There’s a lot of that activity going on but it’s fringey and weird.
I think talking about it in terms of conservative to liberal and liberal to conservative doesn’t quite capture what’s happened. Also his time window is very long: Cole flipped to the Democrats a long time ago, when George W. Bush was still in office.
The way I think of it is more like D&D alignments: the conservatives moving to the Democrats right now are stodgy admirers of Order who don’t like that Trump and his movement are completely off their rocker. The left-wing figures going MAGA are Chaos people. They flip straight from the anti-establishment left fringe to embracing fascism because the fascists are blowing up the system. Often they subscribe to cultish or conspiracy beliefs, or feminists got after them for bad sexual behavior (as someone in the comments notes).
Drum is a very establishment, Order type of guy so of course he’s going to mostly see the “right-to-left” movement in his circles.